Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.
"If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.
It's not just remote work. All our manufacturing sites use to VPN connections data centres. It would cripple manufacturing on an epic scale if they were instabanned.
How many small businesses can afford such permit? Hell, I'd argue that even bigger companies will have a problem paying for that.
Also, what if I just connect to a vps overseas and set my exit point there? Will they ban vps too? This is gonna be so much fun to see from the outside
How many small businesses can afford such permit? Hell, I'd argue that even bigger companies will have a problem paying for that.
Feature, not a bug.
They want people back in offices to help landlords and property prices. This way they can say that remote work is not banned and it's just companies choosing not to buy a permit and offer it.
I work from office and i regularly use a vpn at work to connect remotely to devices that are not physically with me. Not to talk about companies that provide remote assistance and use them to connect to their customers devices.
Remote work is just a byproduct of vpns, but not the real reason why you use them at work.
Absolutely not, of course. I'm just hoping they try to enforce this so a shitstorm of proportions only seen in the brexit will ensue.
One thing we must acknowledge to these idiots is how much effort they put on showing the world the consequences of extremely stupid acts so the rest don't have to do it.
I could definitely see myself setting up a Wireguard VPN only allowing connections to a bunch of porn sites here on my home fiber in Sweden. Should make a nice little side profit.
It's something russia has been doing for a decade and got pretty good at.
A long term blanket vpn ban is not compatible with a modern digital infrastructure, but with certain protocols (openvpn, wireguard) they can detect their usage and filter them out when necessary.
It does require a lot of expensive DPI (deep packet inspection) hardware I'm not sure UK has, so building a Great Firewall of Britain (Hadrian's Firewall?) will take some time.
In my English textbook, ca. 2007 there was a comic of a child in a cage hanging outside the house. The father told the neighbor something like "This way they get out of the house, but stay off the streets."
I think that hit quite well, what many consider parenting in the UK.
Just to fast-forward this dumb cat-and-mouse thing, the next step is people go back to torrenting their porn and deeper down the rabbit hole of garbage "free" websites skirting the rules.
As always, the UK is useful on the international stage because sometimes you need to be able to point at some idiot trying dumb stuff to explain to people why dumb stuff is dumb.
It does feel that way. UK bureaucracy is just one giant guinea pig stunting it's own commonwealth.
Next someone will try enforcing paper umbrellas as a solution for climate action. We'll all say, "That won't work". They'll still do it; it won't work. We'll say, "We told you so", and it won't get reversed because they're already aiming at the next foot to shoot.
Neoliberal political class implementing fascist surveillance capitalism laws — masquerading as child protection — because they are owned by a fascist oligarchy.
It's probably true that a few anti-porn people exist somewhere in the world. It's certainly true that fascists love adding in new tools to keep the general population from using the internet freely.
I am pretty sure they would consider tor as using a VPN.
Probably they would demand ISPs to run lists of known VPN addresses and if you connect to them, they will forward the information to the anti-terrorism unit and you will get SWATed.
Don't the people in those countries use a proxy to access tor first? probably that means cycling through the proxies regularly as they become known. I have no doubt that it is impossible to prevent truly tech savvy people from access. Also Russia, Iran and China all run state sanctioned hackers, so the governments have a vested interest in allowing these groups to obscure where they are coming from.
But i am not sure how much that transpires to a broader public.
That's what things like snowflake and bridges are for. Because, at least with snowflake, it just looks like a webRTC phone call. But it's actually tor traffic. And snowflake proxies are ephemeral, since you can just run them in your browser and help anyone connect.
I believe China can stop any kind of access at any time, they just choose to allow a certain percentage of folks to get through above a certain bar of sophistication and need.
Come on UK, just skip all the boring parts and make unremovable collars for everyone fitted with GPS, cameras and miniature bombs that can be remotely detonated. After all, that's the only way to make sure nobody is doing bad, very bad illegal stuff and to PROTECT THE CHILDREN, isn't it? Fucking hell, these fucks really are trying to create a bloody dystopia...
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Will the next step be banning VPS then? Because that's what will happen: if you ban VPNs (good luck with that lol), people will just connect to a VPS in a less stupid country and exit from there.
I hope they start looking at TOR too, that should be really fun.
Show me a ban that didn’t came with 10x problems. People have their needs even the filthy ones. Especially the filthy ones. Hence will find a way to fulfill it. If there’s no legal way to do so the demand will create an alternative market for it to match the demand…more trouble on the way if that’s the lane the UK choose
Hey now, that's a lot of animosity for a statement that doesn't do much to make a good point.
The original question was
Show me a ban that didn’t came with 10x problems
I posited a conjecture based guess with some basic reasoning and as i said , it was opinion more than provable fact.
By "worked out" i meant the overall situation is better after the ban, despite the negative consequences.
It seems that was lost on you, but now you know.
So let's address your reasoning, such as it is.
People died from tainted drugs before the ban, probably a lot from tainted drugs of the type in the ban.
Unless you have any evidence those numbers changed significantly after the ban, I'll chalk that up to your opinion.
Not a very reasonable one to my eyes, but such are angry people on the internet.
I was not aware i needed to provide an example of a ban that resulted in everything being completely fixed after the fact (mainly because that's not how the question was worded) but if that was, in fact, the requirement, my bad.
If I'm a monster (in your opinion) because i think the reduction in access to terribly addictive drugs might have overall brought down fatalities and other negative consequences, then i can live with that.
What would be defined as a VPN and even then there are other options to get access to content as if you where in a different country or ways to bypass the age restriction. A lot of companies and governments also use VPN's to get people to work on their servers, so how would the UK function.
It always baffles me that they try shit like that.
Edit: heck proper sex education is a way better solution to reduce unhealthy sex habits
Maybe it and maybe it isn't, but kicking against it trying to change won't help because there is a certain amount of the population who believes that it isn't for control, but it is actually for sex or protecting the children or what not.
If you want to get those people over to change their behaviour, you want to work on compromises or in this case you want to deflect them into fixing something else.
Trust me, I have a lot of right and even some mildly right people around me and with going hard against them you will just confirm their bias.
That sounds a bit like fear mongering from Reform: a VPN is safety 101 when using public networks, and most businesses make use of VPNs to secure their data. They are also a key component if WFH (you use the company VPN).
If Labour are stupid enough to go after VPN usage, I suspect it would guarantee their loss at the next election.
Eh, I dunno. The vast majority have no idea what a VPN is. If a VPN ban benefits Rupert fucking Murdoch then the tabloids will wang on about how they're used by paedophiles and people smugglers and that'll be that.
It has always been the main aim of legislation like this to nobble VPNs, they just needed the "child" "violent pornography" etc. excuse to do so. UK government already monitors all of the internet traffic for the UK, except for MPs who are exempt, VPNs are a blocker for this.
Obviously, not even the UK government would expect a private VPN ban (work VPNs would likely need an Ofcom license) to stop everybody from using a VPN or suitable alternative, its not the aim. The aim is to stop the majority from doing so and criminalize the minority who do still bypass the block as it gives them the power to seize equipment, ask for your logins (its illegal punishable with jail time to not supply this in the UK), request ISP logs etc. to deep dive into your life.
Yeah that's the point of the license from Ofcom, to approve the endpoint address used for the VPN. Most work places don't use some random IP address but a small pool of known DNS entries for their endpoint. Just because you are using a VPN doesn't mean nobody can see which endpoint you using.
If this comes to anything I'm moving to somewhere in the EU and pursuing citizenship there. This is clearly not about protecting the children anymore (not that it ever was).
Proton, the Geneva-based encrypted email provider founded 11 years ago by three scientist who met at CERN, will freeze its investments in Switzerland, its chief executive Andy Yen told Le Temps on Wed
I saw this news and I guess it’s good that privacy is being discussed somewhat soberly over there in the wake of this investment decision.
Personally I have recently been exiting out of the UK, a much more invasive country, so Switzerland for now does seem like an improvement for me. Norway is further out geographically and has less Mullvad servers, would seem like the less favorable option for me unless the proposed laws actually pass.
The UK government doth protest too much about protecting the kids. It’s obvious that this whole thing is just an attempt to increase the surveillance of the UK population.
For starters, the whole "Progressive" thing is an American concept born out of the American environment (with its very deep religious moralistic strain amongst a large fraction of the population) and does not really applicable to Britain because, at least until recently, they didn't really have regressive tendencies.
Beyond that Labour hasn't been Leftwing since Tony Blair took over in the 80s and started talking about it being New Labour - they're Neoliberals and quite strongly so, so pretty rightwing.
What they did was performative Identity Politics like in the US: theatrics in the Moral space to make them seem different from the other mainstream party, rather than actually having genuine Liberal Principles.
Of late they even ditched that and seem to be trying to outfascist the Fascists.
All it takes is one big brother/sister that knows how to access a free or paid VPN and their 5 year old little sibling and all their friends will have it also. Despite the difficulty teaching them math or history, they DO learn very quickly and are fast to figure out new things that interest them.
Do you know what's smarter and more talented the the UK government?
I started using a VPN after my friends/classmates told me about them in my Sophomore year of HS, mostly to get around the Wifi banning us from accessing certain apps (social media). Now, like all the other dumb kids, I used whatever they recommended, which was some shitty "Free" VPN that was probably stalking my data. But by Senior year, I smartened up and learned about online privacy and got myself a Proton VPN subscription after using the free version for a bit.
So yeah, I could totally believe middle-school and up are using VPNs, cause that's what we literally did.
Were you never a child? I formatted my family pc and reinstalled windows xp in 5th grade, and used a proxy to circumvent the schools online filter in 7th grade.
Children are not as stupid as you seem to think
VPNs also accept many anonymous payment methods that happen to be easily accessible to children, like gift cards. And free VPNs exist
Couldn't people just hire a VPS in another country and VPN with that using Wireguard etc, or even use RDP etc to it? Is it even a VPN if you're remotely operating a computer in another country?
WireGuard would be illegal. ISPs would monitor for encrypted traffic streams. All remote workers must now come back to the office. ofcom can see any and all traffic. Your loyalty to the king shall be examined. You choices of media will be scrutinized. The threat of losing your children will be used to force compliance. Welcome to the machine.
Pretty much every single website uses HTTPS these days which means all traffic is encrypted anyway. Instead of a VPN you could use an encrypted proxy that connects over HTTPS. I doubt the UK is just going to completely cut itself off from the rest of the world’s internet (because all it takes is one path out).
I remember in Cory Doctorow's Little Brother (Great read, Free e-book here.) they had an insider at the ISP who just encrypted all the traffic that came through, so it just became the "new normal".
Work based VPNs would likely have to obtain a license from Ofcom, it would be highly unlikely to block them completely. Probably be requesting a back door into the work VPNs at the same time just like they have for other encryption, lol.
Refer to other comment. They don't see "VPN traffic", they see encrypted tunnels between two ports to some offshore vps. At best, they see a header saying "openvpn". The article is alluding to the country effectively wanting to crack down on encrypted tunnels (because you cannot discriminate VPNs from them). At best, maybe they're just christofascist idiots.
I don't think it's that centralized. Just some elite somewhere pushes through what elites everywhere would want, and they try to do the same around it.
Like spread of a disease.
I think the way to fight it is similar. Unions, customer associations, parties (not for election, but for having as many people as possible for mutual aid and actions ; it might even be counterproductive to get into government, since that breeds expectations which are not delivered upon, which hurts the party ; better to do volunteer projects without using state power as much as possible).
apparently having a functioning brain isn't a requirement of being an mp
but of course we knew that when she did this in 2019:
On 16 July 2019, Champion stated: "If my party comes out as a remain party rather than trying to find a deal or >rather than trying to exit, I can't support that, it goes against democracy". She said she would rather support a "no-deal Brexit" than remain in the EU, as she believed Labour had to deliver the result of the 2016 referendum.
I’d email my MP to ask why this Labour Government is using the BBC to promote Reform talking points and implementing brain dead Reform policies, but I don’t expect anything other than the blandest party line response.
All this pandering to Reform voters is completely useless, people will still vote for the original rather than a shitty knockoff. Despicable behaviour from Labour.
When encryption is legal, they can't know what is going on between two points. They going to make is so we can only have encryption to nodes they trust?
It is dangerously technologically illiterate to wage war on encryption.
Easy enough to do when it's mega corps. They don't really care about anything but money. If everyone had self hosted services with e2e, be far harder. Encryption is everywhere now.
So they will go after the end points. Which again, is a battle they can't win. All very Cory Doctorow's "Unauthorized Bread".
There will be others too, those are just in my head's cache.
Some how we need to get governments to listen to us serfs instead mega corps and authoritarian police/spooks.
The world they want is not only terrible for digital and political freedom, but competition, thus functioning markets. It's terrible for making developers and makers instead of dumb consumers, which in turn, is terrible for technology and progress.
The Collective Shout Out must feel envious of such power... Think about all what they could ban, you know, for you and your children protection of course.
I mean anyone can rent a server in Europe and install OpenVPN themselves. Hell, it doesn't even need to open OpenVPN, Wireguard works just as well and is basically undetectable.
Eat shit, UK government, for real. Idiots think that by speaking the same language as US fascists they can have similarly dumb ideas.
To be honest, I've found WireGuard's performance is harmed more by replay attacks than OpenVPN. Least that is what I put it down to when I tried them both from a VPN provider that offered both.
What's a reply attack? Do you have people activity MITM-ing your connection? Personally I've found Wireguard performance to be significantly better, especially on spotty mobile Internet
Man in the middle can be part of it. It's just basically recording and sending stuff back. Generally I use WireGuard, but on unhygienic networks, were OpenVPN is warning about possible replay attacks, WireGuard doesn't work as well. Could be something else of course, but I've got one end. It's not constant or always.
Oh replay attacks, that makes a bit more sense. Honestly I've never been on such a poor network to run into that. I don't know your situation, but I'd be doing anything I could to get away from that ISP if they're actively manipulating your traffic
It's doesn't fall over, it just slows down. Or appears to much more than OpenVPN. There could be something else going on, but for what ever the problem was, OpenVPN was coping better and just spitting out errors about a possible replay attack and continuing like nothing was wrong. I've not looked again as OpenVPN is working fine. For everything else, I'm using WireGuard.
It would have been my go to. But they can detect openvpn and other protocols. I would just use a ssh tunnel with squid proxy. The squid wont cache ssh traffic unless you run your own cert and set up the squid that way. It will however seamlessly allow you to connect through a ssh tunnel with one port forward.
I've certainly happily used SSH tunnels --- on Linux it's great in that it's readily available wherever you already have OpenSSH installed --- but one downside of OpenSSH as a general-purpose tool for tunneling is that it is intrinsically TCP and thus forces packet ordering across multiple tunneled connections, which may not be necessary for whatever you're doing and can have performance impact. Part of the reason mosh exists is to deal with that (not for the SSH-as-a-tunneling-protocol case, but rather for the "SSH-as-a-remote-shell" case).
Wireguard is UDP, and OpenVPN can use either TCP or UDP, depending upon how it's configured.
If we were going to move the world to a single "tunneling" protocol, SSH wouldn't be my first choice, even though it's awfully handy as a quick-and-dirty way to tunnel data.
I used putty for tunnels on windows machines. As for mosh I forgot it exist. I use wireguard now. But if they ban VPN it will be harder for them to prove the SSH is being used for the purpose evading their stupid law. The high bandwidth usage could be a lot of things... right?
While in the hospital ten years ago I did get a visit from the IT dept. They didn't have any qos on ssh and I was moving a lot of data through it. They just asked me to limit my high usage to late night.
Just adopt a CCP style social credit system already. Why all of this pussyfooting around being a totalitarian, censorship focused, surveillance state? Just do it. Give the good people of UK a solid reason to be a little bit more French again.
There has been a widespread misconception that China operates a nationwide and unitary social credit "score" based on individuals' behavior, leading to punishments if the score is too low. Media reports in the West have sometimes exaggerated or inaccurately described this concept.[4][5][6] In 2019, the central government voiced dissatisfaction with pilot cities experimenting with social credit scores. It issued guidelines clarifying that citizens could not be punished for having low scores and that punishments should only be limited to legally defined crimes and civil infractions. As a result, pilot cities either discontinued their point-based systems or restricted them to voluntary participation with no major consequences for having low scores.
People can be banned from airlines but they get banned for the same reasons they do in the US, like getting drunk on the plane and punching someone. Or like how the US bans people who owe child support from getting a passport, judges in China are allowed to ban people with unpaid child support or big enough unpaid fines from state owned airlines until they pay.
As an American, it always made me laugh when we made fun of China's "Social Credit Score" when we literally have one already that determines whether we can buy houses/cars/etc lol
Twitter had genuinely been forced to censor all coverage around anti-asylum seeker protests behind age verification requirements, which has riled up a lot of right-wing politicians here. The reason for these protests is that the previous (Conservative) government had been paying exorbitant amounts of money to house asylum seekers in hotels, effectively lining the pockets of hotel chain executives - all while we deal with a massive housing and cost of living crisis.
This was meant to be a measure to give asylum seekers temporary accommodation which was put in place at the start of COVID, but has been government policy since 2020 with no end in sight.
Labour have also done jack-shit to resolve our skyrocketed (legal) immigration levels since they got into power, except for scrapping the Rwanda Deal which would have deported any illegal migrants to a third country for processing (which as the name obviously suggests, is the East African state of Rwanda.)
Britain is now a country which you can enter illegally without ID, but need photo ID to watch a protest against people entering without ID.
Let that sink in.
Labour have fucked up so catastrophically hard with how they've handled this legislation, that they've straight-up generated bipartisan sympathy for the leaders of a right-wing populist party - who are the only political force that have vowed to repeal the legislation because it is being used for mass surveillance and censorship.
If Labour don't get rid of Keir Starmer, do a full cabinet reshuffle and reverse course, we are going to see a Reform landslide in the next election...
It would have been smarter for the UK to mandate that every ISP must provide a family filter for free as part of their service. Something that is optional and can be turned on or off by the account holder but allows parents to set filters (and curfews) if they want. They could even require that ISPs require new signups to affirm if they want it on or off by default so people with families are more likely to start with it enabled.
The new Christian nationalist orders are not so patient. Even Charles X of France rolled back rights too speedily, sparking public outcry resulting in Parisian haircuts. (a bit off the top 🪟🔪)
SCOTUS used to be sneakier, carving out sections of fourth- and fifth-amendment protections, but since Dobbs the Federalist Society Six have tossed subtlety and reason to the wind and now adjudicate away rights based on vibe and conservative rhetoric grievance.
Hopefully the US and UK both will recognize why the French public was swift to act when manarchists took shears to the Napoleonic Code.
The problem is that content filters don't work all that well in the age of https everywhere. I mean, you can block the pornhub.com domain, that's fairly straightforward ... but what about reddit.com which has porn content but also legitimately non-porn content. Or closer to home: any lemmy instance.
I think it would be better if politicians stopped pearl clutching and realized that porn perhaps isn't the worst problem in the world. Tiktok and influencer brainrot, incel and manosphere stuff, rage baiting social media, etc. are all much worse things for the psyche of young people, and they're doing exactly jack shit about that.
They know. The "think of the children" angle is just cover to enrage the tabloid readers and to be used as a straw man against anyone criticisng the law ("you're a pedophile"). The real purpose is "let's enumerate the IDs of everyone who uses the internet for anything we don't like" and "let's censor anything we don't like starting with LGBTQ content"
Crazy because every (isp provided) router I have used has these options. They probably aren't 100% correct all the time, but it would be good enough for children (even though you shouldn't rely soley on filters to replace watching your kid).
Enterprises will love that. A perfect excuse to end wfh. However, this will cripple business travelers. I'm sure there'll be some exception for corporations where they can exercise maximum control over their employees while still being allowed to generate capital.
Ive got a few UK coworkers that will be out of the job if anything disables VPNs. They voted for that mess now they can sleep in their 1/3 salary local jobs too.
They couldn't switch off VPNs for businesses. I work in a hospital and we use VPNs to create secure tunnels to other third party health care companies as well as NHS adjacent health services amongst other things. This is to protect patient sensitive data amongst other things. This would cripple our service and go against NHS england and government requirements for the secure transfer and sharing of data.
This would have to be public VPNs only. Despite the fact that it would be complete bullshit either way.
If they outlaw VPNs then all internet-connected businesses will flee and everyone will just move to the dark net. Then you’ve got a whole other problem.
Damn near every business uses VPN technology. They literally cannot exist in the modern world without it. It would be incredibly expensive and impractical to do without.
VPNs are one of the core security measures of all large companies.
VPNs aren't just a "hide your IP" tool, they're a way of giving someone access to an organisation's internal network. Sensitive servers such as databases, wikis, scheduling tools etc don't have publicly exposed IPs, they only have connections that are accessible from inside that VPN. See also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_…
Not only that, but they are crucial for network security. VPNs allow all network traffic (with a few necessary exceptions) to be routed through the company's network and benefit from its security measures, mainly monitoring traffic for suspicious and malicious behaviour. Without it, finding compromised PCs is much harder and enforcing company policies regarding web use would be impossible outside the office.
it's both hilarious and sad how this is coming from a "please think of the children!!" perspective meanwhile gender affirming care for trans kids got banned pretty recently
"If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.”
When I was a kid, Reddit and general public Internet access weren't things, but I sure managed to get my hands on pornography. I'm pretty confident that even entirely killing Internet access isn't going to stop kids who want to get ahold of porn from getting ahold of it.
They can come and pry TOR from my cold dead hands lmfao
this law can eat shit. i ain't gonna dox myself and feed my personal info to companies. maybe they should take this as a hint that most people care about their privacy
if you don't want kids seeing NSFW stuff be an actual parent and don't raise your kids on the internet??
Yeah I'm Australia we have just decided to ban all social media for people under 16, i think it's great honestly because screw from insta etc but I don't think it's the government ls job to prevent kids from using social media.
I really think it's a way to force adults to register their id to accounts not about protecting kids.
Parents should monitor what their kids are doing not the government
I agree that it should primarily be a parents responsibility to keep kids off social media. But the big problem with social media is that a large proportion of young children don't want to be on social media and recognise the detrimental impact it has on them, but the fear of missing out or being excluded is what keeps them on it. it then becomes a collective action problem, to get them off it you need to get a lot of their peers off it as well. There are movements where groups of parents try to do this, but reaching the critical mass necessary to do it is difficult.
Hopefully the ban keeps a large number off to reduce the pressure on kids to be on it and at the same time the parents can do their bit as well.
Parents should monitor what their kids are doing not the government
While I agree wholeheartedly with this, it's often not that easy.
Back in the days of 28.8 modems my parents found my little bro's downloaded porn stash. It was in a Zip disk in his underwear drawer. They then locked down both of our AOL accounts so we couldn't see that stuff.
I thought this was bullshit because I kept my Zip disk full of porn next to all the other ones and labeled it "Homework." Why should I get punished if I didn't get caught?
So I downloaded a keylogger, stole my dad's password, and unlocked my account and continued to download porn.
However, I don't think government regulation would have worked in my case.
Someone should start a bussiness near the border of Republic of Ireland and get two antennas pointed at each other across the border, with the RoI side having connected to the free internet, then the UK Northern Ireland side connected to the Intra-net. You pay a "Club Membership Fee" to get access to the proxy network.
Its not a VPN, its a Nerd Techie Club, just with a free proxy service as part of the club membership 😉
Possible? Yes. Probable? No. LTE would work wonderfully for such usecase, but the firmware to it is never shared. Wifi would work theoretically, but the distance would get in a way. Bandwidth would go down all the way to a rounding error.
just do what the chinese do to get around thier great wall. use proxies and anti-detect browsers, its the next step after VPN.. you might want to look around how to set these up.
Proxy is a step below VPN since it doesn't tunnelise data.
Anti-detect browsers. Do you mean Tor? It's a decent solution, albeit the slowest one.
What people use to bypass the great Chinese firewall is VPN with VLESS protocols. Unlike usual VPN protocols, those are specifically made to bypass censorship.
I'm looking forward to the next UK election where the headline will be: Labour has lost the election in a landslide that left them with dozens of votes total
Every single person who didn't think this would affect them who watches porn in any capacity is very likely highly pissed off and will continue to be for as long as this draconian bullshit is enabled.
I don't think it's even possible to get rid of VPNs without outright banning encryption. If I set up a VPN that uses an obscure port and the traffic is encrypted, how are they going to know it's even a VPN?
They're going to know it's VPN fairly easily because it's fairly obvious what you're doing when all or most of your traffic is encrypted and is directed at one or two addresses. Even more obvious if those one or two addresses happen to belong to known VPN or VPS providers or something.
The linked story has been updated. The headline now reads:
Labour rules out VPN ban in UK but issues warning to UK households
Labour won't ban the use of Virtual Private Networks
And the story begins:
Labour has ruled out a possible VPN ban after reports thousands of UK households were at risk following the Online Safety Act kicking in under the government. Labour Party Tech Secretary Peter Kyle has revealed that the Government is "not considering a VPN ban" - after reports in Guido Fawkes suggested it was possible.
Most conventional VPNs, e.g. OpenVPN, WireGuard, AnyConnect, PPTP/L2TP, IKEv2/IPsec, etc., actually don't work in China. Technology-wise GFW is quite sophisticated and conventional VPNs are not designed for censorship circumvention anyway.
You'll have to use things like Shadowsocks or V2Ray, which is out of the reach of most people.
This makes me feel like they were in a bind here. The so called "online safety bill" was a tory concoction that took years to pass through the courts because of how invasive it is and how anyone could easily bypass it.
If labour want to stop it, they'll be accused of not wanting to protect children.
Whatever anyone thinks of labour, I'd ask people to ask themselves, if you were in that position, what option do they have other than to let it play out as the spectacular failure it was always going to be and making sure everyone knows who's fault that was afterwards?
Picture this: it’s January 19th, 2038, at exactly 03:14:07 UTC. Somewhere in a data center, a Unix system quietly ticks over its internal clock counter one more time. But instead of moving fo…
I don’t understand why people always say that. Pentium Pro could handle 64 GB even though it was a 32 bit CPU. It had a 36 bit address bus. Later models are the same.
People say it because it was a Windows limitation, not a computing limitation. Windows Server had support for more, but for consumers, it wasn't easily doable. I believe there's modern workarounds though. The real limit is how much memory a single application can address at any given time.
What does a 64-bit system and 4GB RAM have to do with using 64bit timestamps?
32bit systems can use 64bit values without issue. In fact, even an 8bit system can handle 256bit values or even longer ones without issue.
The bittiness of a CPU and its address space have nothing to do with the length of usable data unless you end up with data longer than the RAM volume (and even then there's swap).
There is also the fact that during Y2K, we didn’t have as much reliance on computers.
And we still shouldn't.
Uniting the reliance upon long-range electric connectivity (radio, PSTN - but that now depends on computers too), the reliance upon computers (like mainframes), the reliance upon microcontrollers, the reliance upon personal computers (like Amiga 500), the reliance upon fast encryption helped by computers, the reliance upon computers used for mining cryptocoins or some beefy LLMs, the reliance upon computers capable of running Elite Dangerous, and the reliance upon computers capable of running devops clusters with hundreds of containers, - it's wrong, these are all different.
An analog PSTN switching station shouldn't care about dates. A transceiver generally shouldn't too. A microcontroller doesn't care which year it is, generally.
With an Amiga 500 one can find solutions, and it's not too bad if you don't.
The rest is honestly too architecturally fragile anyway and shouldn't be relied upon as some perpetual service.
I was at Pepsi for Y2K. In 98, we started with MSMail, W95, and Netware2. We had to also replace all 40k desktops. We worked like dogs for those 2 years and only barely had everything ready in time. Without that work, we would not have been able to continue any business operations. Nothing about it was overhyped.
It only depends whether the app and its OS/kernel interface use a 32-bit value to store the time information.
32-bit architecture or OS has nothing to do with this bug, for example 16-bit architectures must've used 32-bit time, too (otherwise they'd be able to only count up to 32-65 seconds).
It's a problem with the internal represensation of a C/C++ type alias called time_t, mostly. That's the thing that holds the number of elapsed seconds since midnight on Jan. 1, 1970, which is the most common low-level representation of date and time on computers. In theory, time_t could point to a 32-bit type even on a 64-bit system, but I don't think anyone's actually dumb enough to do that. It affects more than C/C++ code because most programming languages end up calling C libraries once you go down enough levels.
In other words, there's no way you can tell whether a given application is affected or not unless you're aware of the code details, regardless of the bitness of the program and the processor it's running on.
Y2K wasn’t overhyped. It was just successfully planned for. This reeks of the paradox of IT. “Everything is broken, what do you even do” vs “nothing is broken, what do you even do?”
Linux kernel has had support for 64 bit time for years. On Debian, packages for the upcoming release were updated to 64 bit time earlier this year. I'm fairly sure the other distributions have done or are doing the same. So basically you now have 2 years to upgrade your OS and to pester the vendors of commercial software to do the same.
Like someone else said, it will be 2 very busy years, but we can survive this.
Yeah it only felt like it wasn’t a big deal because it became a big deal early enough for there to be plans made. And because good people doing hard work to prevent a problem wasn’t newsworthy after the fact.
It's mostly just 2 or 3 MAGA zealots trying to pretend to be a, "disinterested third-party denizen that doesn't believe the mainstream, so they can't make a solid judgment on Trump or his actions until they have a dinner conversation with him in private."
Fun fact! I'm studying for my amateur radio technician license and learned that ham came from calling amateur telegraph operators' sloppy work 'ham-fisted'. The amateur radio community decided to lean into it, and thus the ham radio operator was born
Fun fact! I'm studying for my amateur radio technician license and learned that ham came from calling amateur telegraph operators' sloppy work 'ham-fisted'. The amateur radio community decided to lean into it, and thus the ham radio operator was born
I'll assume FCC Technician license; it's a fun hobby. I have had a General license since the 1990s when the FCC still required a proficiency in morris code. At a cost of $35 to renew and the ability to have a cellphone alternative while traveling long distance by car, it's worth keeping.
Have fun, find your Ham niche and enjoy it for the rest of your life!
That's the one, and thanks! My son and I got into Meshtastic as a hobby, and I guess ham radio was the next logical direction for our interest. It's fun learning the science behind how it works.
The lower house of the Russian parliament approved legislation imposing fines on people searching online for content that the authorities deem "extremist." Protesters are calling the bill "something out of 1984."
Well I mean if Putin wants you gone he doesn't need a rule to permit it, but his sort of law is about pushing that oppressive power down to lower levels of the chain. You dont need to catch the attention of anyone important, you can be oppressed by an anonymous low level clerk on a power trip.
Russia's Ministry of Justice's list of extremist materials spans more than 500 pages and contains over 5,000 entries. These include songs that praise Ukraine and blog posts by the feminist rock band Pussy Riot.
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Come previsto, il kernel Linux 6.16 è stato promosso a stabile. Linux 6.16 ora accoglie il mondo con diversi miglioramenti delle prestazioni, il supporto per i driver GPU open source NVIDIA Hopper e Blackwell in Nouveau, la preparazione per Intel Advanced Performance Extensions (APX) e molti altri interessanti miglioramenti.
On June 4, during a meeting with government officials, Vladimir Putin stated that all public services must be moved to the national messenger app called Max
If Greece was doing what Israel is doing and my fellow Greek electors were responsible for electing for 20 years in free and fair elections the government that does it AND they were polling the government coalition responsible for doing it first for the next election AND in opinion polls overwhelmingly supported the genocide and I was one of the few brave souls doing the protesting, not only would I be ok with the conflation, I would be encouraging.
Holding autocracies to account is easy: send the dictator to the Hague.
Holding democracies (even flawed ones like Israel's) to account is harder.
That's what I've been saying this whole time! Watch people find a reason for racism :/ genocide is abhorrent, but can we really say we should hold everyone accountable by association?
Interact with real people from Israel and suddenly there's a lot more to it than "Israeli bad"
I remember from history class that a boat of Jewish refugees was turned away from several ports during WW2. Wild to have lived long enough to see that reason completely flip and have a decadent cruise turned away for supporting genocide.
Well, yeah. But the Israeli population is 75% Jewish and their leadership even more so. I'm holding my neighbor responsible for genocide, I'm holding Israel responsible for genocide. A critique of Israel is not an attack on Jews.
Israel exists because there wasn't anywhere in the world that would grant Jews asylum in WW2. Rejecting boatloads of Jews is continuing the strong case for the need for a Jewish state.
And you can't call Jews living in Israel "colonists" as if they can "go back to Europe" now. They can't leave Israel now,
On one hand there's a large number of people that want to "wipe Israel off the map" and on the other hand we have European countries not allowing Jews to enter. So what is the meaning behind "wipe Israel off the map" now?
I used to think a Jewish state wasn't necessary, though I didn't have a problem with there being one. I figured we'd never go back to a to the dark times of the past. But now I'm absolutely convinced that a Jewish state is 100% necessary. So... congratulations, protesters?
I'm 70 years old and have always supported Israel until now, but I am starting to believe that the world would be better off without Israel. They function with a complete absence of honor and humanity, and completely lack the ability to compromise fairly. Israel is an irritant to a peaceful world.
The thing is with dog whistles is that the people that use them think they're being clever and fooling everyone. But it doesn't really fool anyone, and those that use the dog whistles pretend to be offended when you start talking about the subject they're really talking about.
Seen it hundreds of times with the MAGAs and y'all are no different from them.
We're in a thread under an article celebrating how Israelis aren't welcome in other countries.
So that indicates eliminating Israel isn't just about ethnically cleansing Jews from the area, since you don't want there to be anywhere else for them to go. So what does "eliminating Israel" mean now?
Who said eliminating Israel required ethnically cleansing Jews? There were jewish people living in Palestine before Israel, there will be Jewish people living in Palestine after Israel.
Who cares about what you think, you're a genocide denialist. There's zero point in wasting time talking with pedophiles about the merits of fucking kids.
Israelis are very welcome to turn themself in to international justice and get trialed for their war crimes.
They are called colonists because they are litterly colonizing land in occupied territories. The government consists of parties that openly call for this.
Refugee ships also still get intercepted and turned away from various countries. It is nice seeing the violent bigots turned away for a change, though.
I hear this a lot, but I don't think it's the gotcha people claim it is. Most genocide in the modern day tries to aim for economic strangling by eliminating/stealing what few opportunities exist for some populations. See, for instance, the IDF's efforts to starve Gaza rather than shoot every single Palestinian. Or fascist America's efforts to deny jobs (even the ones that are not in competition) to disabled or minorities.
I don't see it as "I'ma move and get rich", I see it as "I'ma move and not starve on the street".
That's sadly not true, at least in Europe: since most people cannot enter legally, they have to resort to illegal way, and smuggler know this, and strangle them with bribes, extra fees etc. Most "trips" to enter through Italy for example for this reason cost thousands of dollars, not something a poverty stricken family can afford. Most economic migrants are from middle class in their own countries, who are attracted by the false promises of TV shows about how everyone in Europe or other countries depict themselves, but again, are decently well of on their own countries. Source for prices: International migration and illegal costs: Evidence from Africa-to-Europe smuggling routes - ScienceDirect share.google/YgcY5iFUeuZLvPmPH
For the US, on the other hand, since you have a river vs a desert + sea, can be a lot cheaper
I mean, Euromaidan was a result of the Ukrainian people being frustrated with the rampant corruption. I think it’s likely many are upset. I don’t even see a justification for the need to put these departments more closely under the control of the executive in this article.
I don’t even see a justification for the need to put these departments more closely under the control of the executive
False corruption charges are frequently used by insurgencies and foreign influence operations to undermine legitimate governance. I'm not saying it is or isn't a legitimate concern in this case but, if it were, we definitely wouldn't know the exact reasons. Given Russia's history of using foreign influence as a weapon of war and, in particular, their history of doing so in Ukraine, I can definitely understand the concern.
Of course real corruption can't go unanswered because of the possibility of trumped up charges. It's a tricky bit of business to get right.
very. there's mass gatherings in Lviv and Kyiv even with the elevated risk of death by shahed. Ukrainians ars making it clear: they genuinely will fight to the death for their freedom. using one authoritarian to justify another authoritarian will not be allowed.
Did not read the article but of course they did. Fear not our government will do nothing to remedy the situation, wouldn't want to upset those in real power.
Bummer. I'll hop on a redeye Amtrak train tonight and bark at the moon in his honor. Silliness aside, he always seemed like a genuine good guy. Hope he's able to find peace and his family solace in the kind words that will be spoke of him in the coming days. If nothing else I'll always really enjoy his hits when they come up in my playlists.
He was the guest and performer at a final concert just weeks ago. Anyone connected to the metal scene in any way knew about it. They raised almost 200 million for charities.
It already was the metal concert of the decade, now with his passing just weeks after, this will be remembered as a once in a century event in the metal world, how I wish I could have been there !
Lost any ounce of respect I might have had left for him (which really wasn't much) and his wife when they started pushing Genocide propaganda for Israel.
Nothing says "rock and roll" like supporting Israels right to genocide I guess.
True rock and roll would be pissing on his grave. Maybe Kneecap can do the honors.
Sharon Osbourne denied a deepfake video of Ozzy Osbourne suggesting he was going to die soon and also disputed her mother's statements about assisted suicide.
I woke up with a bad feeling. I knew exactly one thing. And it reminded me of December 26th 2015. Remember the year of death that was 2016? Celebrities were dropping like flies and our entire childhoods' were going into graveyards?
That started December 2015, the day after Christmas. That was the day that Lemmy of Motorhead died. His death ripped a hole in the universe. Two weeks later David Bowie died. And after that famous people kept dying for a year. Reality TV star Donald Trump would be elected into office by people that kept saying celebrities had no role in politics. 2016 was the first year of the world we know today. And trying to describe the world before 2015 to someone who never witnessed life before that would become difficult.
I loved Black Sabbath. I didn't care for Ozzy Osbourne. I didn't care for a Black Sabbath without Ozzy. It was that combination of the two that I liked. I used to tell people this and they would shrug and then I would tell people this after the Osbornes show came out and people would react the same way as when I told them I didn't like cake. It meant I wasn't human. Who can trust somebody who doesn't like cake or like Ozzy Osbourne?
But I had to be honest with myself and them. I didn't like Ozzy Osbourne and no amount of crazy antics was going to solve that.
But this morning I woke up knowing exactly one thing. Ozzy Osbourne was dead. He can't create chaos with his death like Lemmy did because the chaos is already here. But maybe he can fix it. Maybe Ozzy's death well mend the hole in reality. This agent of chaos, with his passing, might be able to restore sanity. A sacrifice. For Satan. Who so loved the world he gave his only avatar so that everyone, believer or not, could have peace everlasting. We should know in two weeks if he is the herald of a brighter new future.
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WOW. Ozzy is a Rock legend. The world will not be the same without him. People can say what they want about him, but he was an artist. He and Black Sabbath were the epitome of Rock & Roll.
Honestly, that he lived this long, given his drugs and party lifestyle for many years, is pretty impressive. Now Keith Richards, on the other hand, will likely live to be 200 years old just because he's indestructible.
I got to see Ozzy once at Ozzfest. I'm glad for that.
Police in Tokyo say they have found that English proficiency test examinees involved in suspected group cheating had been given miniature earphones and other devices prior to the test.
They suspect that there may be other collaborators in Japan in addition to a Chinese national arrested in relation to cheating on the Test of English for International Communication, or TOEIC. ……
They say they have learned that the examinees in question had been given earphones measuring 3 millimeters across, a pendant-type repeater and a video guide in advance. ……
Those are very tiny earphones (you can see one in the video around 0:45). I wonder if there are any electronics inside or if they are just tiny magnet balls driven by the pedant repeaters.
Music sharing platform Bandwagon adds the ability for artists to sell albums, create paid channels for exclusive content, and announces upcoming premium subscription tier for artists
@Bonfire Social is getting close to release, and team already working on other features as well
some good articles on what its like to be a moderator, and the impact of LLMs on small communities on the fediverse
Bandwagon is a fediverse platform for artists to share their music, similar to platforms like Bandcamp. Artists can now use Bandwagon to sell their music albums with the latest update. Bandwagon has added support for Stripe, and does not charge a payment fee for albums sold via the platform. Selling albums via Bandwagon will not be completely free however: once Bandwagon Premier launches at the end of the year, selling albums will only be available for this premium subscription tier of $10/month. Bandwagon promises the platform will always be available for free for artists to upload and share their albums. Another new feature for Bandwagon is Circles, which allows users to share content with specific people. When you add accounts to a circle, you can create content that will only be visible to people within that circle, similar to how Bonfire’s boundaries system works. What is different about Bandwagon’s circles is that access to a circle can be put behind a paywall, where people can pay a monthly subscription fee for continued inclusion in that circle and to see exclusive content by the artist.
The upcoming premium subscription will give paying members the ability to sell albums, sell access to circles/memberships, and get higher quality streaming. Some further thoughts:
With circles, Bandwagon is placing itself in competition with Patreon. It is not the first project to try to put fediverse content behind a paywall: sub.club tried to make this work last year and had to shut down due to a limited uptake. Sub.club focused on microblogging and Mastodon, will targeting the music sector make a difference for Bandwagon?
Platforms on the fediverse has historically struggled with becoming financially sustainable, with most relying on donations, grants and volunteer labour. Bandwagon has a clear story on how it plans to become a financially sustainable platform. The big question is: can they pull it off?
One of the major challenges in building a new social network is in getting critical mass on the community size to made sure there is enough interesting content to keep users interested in visiting. Projects like Radio Free Fedi show that the fediverse has a dedicated community of musicians and other artists on the fediverse. Bandwagon also already has over 200 artists who are sharing their music on the platform. It indicates that music and artists might be a worthwhile direction to look for when building critical mass in communities.
How much will the connection to the fediverse matter for artists on Bandwagon? Bandwagon is open-source and encourages self-hosting, and that it uses ActivityPub provides clear value for creating a network of interoperable Bandwagon servers. But will people use the native connections with the rest of the fediverse as well? For artists, having a wider reach is beneficial, especially if they are selling albums. But will people use the interoperability of microblogging platforms like Mastodon to follow artists on Bandcamp, or will these interoperable networks stay mostly separate in practice?
Bonfire is an upcoming modular social networking platofrm that the team is working on getting ready for an official release. In the launch version (‘Bonfire Social’) the platform focuses on features that are more familiar to microblogging and long-form writing, but the platform is highly extendable and customisable: Bonfire is also experimenting with adding geodata and Mosaic, a bridge to connect other datasets to the platform. Bonfire also reported that they have their first organisation that will build their community on Bonfire: CrowdInBlue is a platform that wants to “connect water projects with funding sources”, and they will build this platform using Bonfire.
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“The upside is that moderation gives me some control. Watching a fascist autocracy unfold before your eyes is terrifying. Everything is collapsing on a massive scale in myriad ways. It’s enough to make a person feel helpless. While it’s not monumental, I do get to curb some of that fascism through moderation. I get to push buttons with labels that read “delete post” and “suspend.” When some ignorant sociopath is harassing people, I get to wave a magic wand and make them disappear. At least from our corner of Mastodon. That’s empowering. And meaningful. It does make a difference because I get to silence them. I can’t begin to describe how good that feels. Just a little tiny bit of justice.”
An excellent writeup of what it’s like to be a moderator for Mastodon. It explains what the day-to-day experience of being a moderator on Mastodon is like, and what some of the main challenges are, such as dealing with targeted harassment and getting exposed to traumatic content. The quote above highlights why people put up with these challenges, and indicates the value of a social network that gives people agency.
“I don’t know how to run a community forum in this future. I do not have the time or emotional energy to screen out regular attacks by Large Language Models, with the knowledge that making the wrong decision costs a real human being their connection to a niche community. I do not know how to determine whether someone’s post about their new bicycle is genuine enthusiasm or automated astroturf. I don’t know how to foster trust and genuine interaction in a world of widespread text and image synthesis—in a world where, as one friend related this week, newbies can ask an LLM for advice on exploring their kinks, and the machine tells them to try solo breath play. In this world I think woof.group, and many forums like it, will collapse.“
A worrying account of how LLMs make the current systems of keeping spam out of closed social networks unfeasible. There are communities who need some form of anonymity of their members to function, such as the queer kink community woof.group. These communities ask for some form of applications by new members. The ability of LLMs to cheaply generate bullshit on a grand scale is being used spammers to join these private communities and use it for spam. There is a clear need for new ways to build and maintain communities while keeping spammers out, and it is currently unclear how such a system would look like.
“My goals now are more modest: planting seeds in people’s minds that another way to interact online is possible. And when people ARE READY and willing, help them set up an account on the Fediverse software best suited for their needs, helping them out and acclimatizing them to the culture of this place.“
Elena Rossini writes about how her thoughts on the fediverse and growth have shifted, and her plans for the next year of her blog. It echoes a trend I wrote recently about as well: the previous conceptualisation of growth for the new social networks does not hold up anymore, and we need new stories on how these networks can be used to build new communication structures.
Kim caught up with Andy, Mastodon's new comms lead, for a chat about the Fediverse's poster child. Find out more about the future of the project, how they feel about Bluesky, and how you can get involved.
Bandwagon Premier launches at the end of the year, selling albums will only be available for this premium subscription tier of $10/month.
This is kinda stupid? I don't see anyone wanting to use this. If you don't sell anything, you still have to pay. Also, as time passes, your older releases are sold less. If you don't release anything new in a while, it makes little sense to keep being subscribed until your next release. Fees are way better, especially for small / little known artists. I think it makes more sense to host some free stuff here for advertisement, and then post a link to your Bandcamp in your profile to let people buy there, because their model is better.
Yeah... I'm not sure that's a good monetization model... I feel like even the standard taking a small cut of every transaction is a better idea than that :/
It feels really overly punishing for small artists while being very reasonable for established larger artists, which sucks
Nearly half of Chin State’s population has been displaced since the military coup, according to a new report by the Institute of Chin Affairs (ICA), released on 16 July.
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In 2025, USAID cut funding for a rainwater harvesting initiative designed to improve water access at cyclone evacuation centers in one of the country’s most remote, drought-prone provinces, said Vomboe Shem, climate lead for Save the Children Vanuatu. The materials had already been shipped and distributed, but the project was halted.
Someone told me that “the global elites” wanted to chase a policy of reducing the worlds population (vaccines came up as one way) as part of environmental policies and that was why they needed to support Trump (neither of us has any material attachment to the USA, naturally).
It’s ironic, because that’s actually what Trump is doing. painfully ironic, as people are being hurt and killed by the policies. Not to say that a different president wouldn’t move in their own interest.
Makes no sense on the face of it. Depopulation causes economic depression. Guess you could say they were reaching for environmental action, and fewer bodies would be the main fix, but if they're such environmentalists there are easier ways to fix this shit if you're rich and powerful.
Is this supposed to sway eco conscious genocide supporters? "Think of the environmental harms!" Rather than focusing on the immediate horrors currently being inflicted by Israel on the Palestinian population
Is this supposed to sway eco conscious genocide supporters?
This is not the way I understood this article. It seems to me it is one more argument for the case of continuous ethnic cleansing for so many decades.
If we agree that
most frequently, however, the aim of ethnic cleansing is to expel the despised ethnic group through either indirect coercion or direct force, and to ensure that return is impossible,
then by bombing all buildings, homes and infrastructure, they force people to go somewhere else and in the same time restrict them from coming back, since there is nothing to come back to.
So in this study, they actually measure the not coming back for decades part
At this point, clearing it and re-building will have to happen regardless of the outcome of the genocide, so what point are they trying to make here? The only green choice is to leave Gaza a destroyed wasteland?
It needs to be cleared, re-built, and returned to the Palestinians. Ideally funded by the Israelis.
The point of this study, to my understanding, is to calculates some of the aftermath of this ongoing genocide, concerning debris, carbon emissions, time frames, and implications for rebuilding. No?
Well, sure, recovery from incredible devastation will take decades and the energy required to clear and replace all the structures will not be environmentally friendly, that should all be obvious to anyone who knows anything about construction projects:
"To create Portland cement, limestone undergoes a calcination process, which releases large amounts of CO2 from the chemical reaction. This is the concrete industry’s dirtiest activity, releasing up to 50 per cent of the cement industry’s carbon emissions.
Additionally, to transform raw materials into clinker, cement's intermediate product, large amounts of energy are required to heat, mix and cool the ingredients in giant kilns.
It is estimated that, in traditional kilns, one tonne of cement produces one tonne of carbon dioxide, although modernised factories have found ways to reduce these emissions.
Water Use
Cement creation is also highly water intensive, particularly during cooling after materials are baked at extremely high temperatures.
Nature Magazine estimates the concrete industry is responsible for nine per cent of all water withdrawals from the sector. Approximately 16.6 km squared of water is used annually for concrete production, and this figure is expected to soar as the demand for concrete continues to rise."
So, again, what are they trying to argue here? The only environmentally responsible option is to leave Gaza destroyed?
So, again, what are they trying to argue here? The only environmentally responsible option is to leave Gaza destroyed?
From the study itself (4. Discussion & 5. Concluding remarks), this is not what I got. On the contrary, it seems to me like they try to make some calculations/estimations/evaluations so that this is something that takes place.
Lawmakers voted on Tuesday in favour of legislation that would, in effect, eliminate the independence of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau (Nabu) and its partner organisation the Specialised Anti-Corruption Prosecutor’s Office (Sapo), according to four lawmakers and officials familiar who spoke with the Financial Times during the vote.
The move to bring Nabu under executive control is the latest in a series of manoeuvres against pro-reform activists and anti-corruption campaigners that have prompted warnings of creeping authoritarianism in the president’s wartime administration, raising concerns among Ukraine’s western allies.
Keep in mind that this is positive for foreign business interests like the ones that would get to mine those minerals, or foreign Big Ag that's buying up farmland. All of those would have easier time to acquire more of those resources for cheaper and extract higher profits, offloading more negative externalities on the majority of Ukranians.
Also accession to the EU would require reforms in the opposite direction from this. The vested interests making these changes are making Ukraine's EU prospects more difficult.
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If ever there was a need for the countries of the world to engage in genocide, the IDF, their handler government and all loyal to international Israeli propaganda/manipulatory groups deserve it.
I don't disagree (and I didn't write anything disagreeing with that).
What I added was that we still on average admire nations build on genocide or immoral individuals just because of their wealth and status achieved (& how long lasting & persistent it is).
I never said that a bunch of us don't disagree with genociding anyone. There are always voices like this through the history.
(Tho on that note, not that it's relevant, about the person you replied to - I don't like when ppl use the word 'genocide' for a political party/military group & not something broader, like ethnicity.)
I know you can't just detain people arbitrarily in a free country, but it sucks that they're probably just going to flee back to Israel now that they've learned the lesson that they're not untouchable outside of Israel and the US.
Reminder that the IDF has published guidelines for its troops on how to evade getting arrested by an ICC member state while traveling abroad, which is definitely something a very moral and humane military does.
If the ICC had real teeth, there would be guides like that for American soldiers as well. The reason that there are none doesn’t mean the US military is not committing large scale crimes against humanity.
silver lining, Israelis will think twice before vacationing in Europe. Let the genociders vacation in Russia where they belong. Israelis are the most unbearably obnoxious tourists.
People are making strange comments. Articles say they are using evidence from these soldiers’ social media. I think these guys are going to prison. I mean, I hope, but I also think so.
Drat. I'd read another article that didn't indicate that they were released. I can't read every article about the same topic, so my bad for missing that in this one. Thanks for clarifying. Now I'm disappointed.
Google removed YouTube channels and other accounts linked to RT, the Russian state-controlled media outlet accused of paying prominent conservative influencers.
just because the words "what about..." are used, doesn't make an argument a whataboutism.
a whataboutism deflects from an argument or aims to derail an argument.
what the previous user did was ask for further argumentation about a directly related topic; it's a continuation, not a deflection.
so it's not fallacious, buta legitimate question:
you've banned some propaganda channels (argument is closed at this point), will you now also ban other, similar channels (new, related argument)?
since the previous argument has concluded, because yt has already enforced their views, wether right or wrong, the follow-up question is perfectly legitimate.
Oh does that Include that one guys channel that was being spread around here, reddit, and Instagram of him showing his sweet apartment and how cool and modern Chinese life was, and started making the social media rounds about a month Into trunps term?
but China is doing so well! they're certainty winning! look at all their free public transit, solar panel farms, large buildings, and many jobs!
they have so many jobs they're literally giving them away for free! they even give these people places to live with food and everything. China even brings their whole family with them so they can all be happy and prosperous together.
it's so much better to live in China than in the US. you'll never leave China once you go there!
Turns out that if the government is controlling the narrative by threatening, harassing or jailing whoever dares go against it, people will only read about the good things!
Wouldn't it be great if the US did the same thing? Could we all become a happy place like China if we tried a bit harder to make our country.... I dunno... great again?
Wouldn’t it be great if the US did the same thing?
But... You do. Example - no US invader can be charged with crimes against humanity, as the standing US policy is to then invade Hague. Another example - operation Gladio. Or even fucking TikTok from recent years that bent the knee and started spewing american R/Trump propaganda after last election is USA
The unexpected exit ban on Wells Fargo's Chenyue Mao in China highlights rising tensions and risks for global businesses operating in the country. Discover the implications for US-China relations and multinational companies.
Absolutely. I am not the person you replied to but I have no problems admitting that China or Russia can be better than the West in some aspects, for example what you said. Likewise I have no problems saying that the West is flawed and that capitalism is killing people while billionaires rent Venice for a wedding party, in fact, I am the first opponent of that.
What I can't stand is people claiming that North Korea is not a dictatorship, China is democratic and Russia, poor them, was forced into invading other countries.
What I can’t stand is people claiming that North Korea is not a dictatorship, China is democratic and Russia, poor them, was forced into invading other countries
I signed on .ml because that was the second most popular instance at that time; there are so many people in .ml enamoured with USSR, whitewashing it, that I tend to skip local posts because it's not worth it. They behave like people brainwashed by USA propaganda but with different polarization.
Sometimes I think they might be CIA shills/bots created to discourage people from socialist movements.
Btw - China does have local elections where people pick their local representative. So people can pick a person, but not the ideology - that is mandated from the high. It's not exactly what I would call democratic, but hey, the more you know
I don't remember it being bad before lemmygrad got defederated from most instances. Plain ml used to just be the demonstration instance while lemmygrad was the ideological one. But once they got blocked from a lot of the Lemmyverse more and more .ml accounts are being associated with weird tankie stuff.
It’s actually antisemitic to assume that every Jew is a Zionist, idk what to say, thank you for your service, you are a beacon of upholding antisemitism? Smh
I know that the war has high support in Israel, but even 80% is still not all Israelis, let alone all jewish people. I think a lot of Israeli people have dual citizenship. Personally, I wouldn't want to live in a country that is committing a genocide - I would leave. At least some people who choose to live in Israel are ok with illegal settlements, bombing children, etc. They self-selected and that is why they are there - some even left the countries where they were born to become settlers. Jewish people are not all the same.
75M Americans voted for a fascist piece of shit in their last election. Would it be weird if I held a grudge against white Christians in Norway because of that fact?
75M Americans voted for a fascist piece of shit in their last election. Would it be weird if I held a grudge against white Christians in Norway because of that fact?
1st. Only some Christian denominations are fanatically pro Trump. 2nd. They are faithful, of many ethnicities. Jews are an ethnoreligious group, and in fact, while most faiths welcome converts, Judaism makes you jump through loops. Jews don't like to welcome the non ethnically pure. This if you look at the many branches, especially the Yiddish, with their predominance of fair skin, light eyes, blonde or redhead, is very ironic, as the amount of Yiddish women who have jumped beds through history to turn Levantine populations into almost nordic, is staggering, and thus highly hypocritical.
Russia intelligence services have been producing conspiracy theory propaganda from even before the Communist era. Adolf Hitler was radicalized in 1909 to hate Jews by "The protocols of the Elders of Zion". That's right, he killed 6 million Jews because he bought into Russian bullshit.
My brother in Christ I assume you have a phone in your hand, stop letting random people further educate you online and do your own goddamn research and make a good research not from bullshit website websites
People ask me what it’s like to be a moderator. Our discussions reveal that a lot of what we do is a mystery. So, I’m gonna lay it out for you. Specifically about the unique fediverse moderation model, mutual aid, and mental health.
What Fediverse Moderation Looks Like
Centralized networks like Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter create rules that please executives and shareholders. Those decision makers don’t have to be ethical—and they rarely are.
The fediverse is decentralized. That means there isn’t one server for all accounts and it’s not run by one company. It’s a network of servers (or instances), each self-owned/operated. Sometimes that’s one person, but most often is a small team. And each team makes its own rules for moderation. They all communicate symbiotically to create the single social network.
There’s a common theme to the rules. While not universal, the majority of instances focus on ethics and inclusivity. Those who don’t get blocked through a process called “defederation.” This is a global block between instances. It means no one on the blocked server can interact with anyone from the server who moderated it.
This makes the entire fediverse community stronger. At a local level, on our server, we have a process that seems to serve us well.
What Mas.to Moderation Looks Like
There are three moderators on our team and about 185,000 accounts. About 12,000 of those are active monthly. But they’re able to interact with an estimated 12 million total fediverse accounts. So…we have our hands full. But it’s manageable. Our queue is never very long.
The baseline process works like this:
Someone reports a post or an account
The report shows up in our queue
One of us reviews the report and either resolves (dismisses) or moderates
If we moderate, the account receives an email notification with an appeal option
If they appeal, we see that in our queue with their plea
One of us reviews the appeal and either accepts or rejects
We also have a house rule that no one can act on an appeal for their own moderation. It’s a good way to keep each other in check. Especially because sometimes we don’t agree. This is okay. We just talk it out together and try to make the best call.
There’s an array of moderation options we use:
Delete one or more posts
Limit the account (only their followers will see their account)
Suspend the account
Send a warning
Freeze the account (lock them out)
Force posts to be flagged as sensitive (blurred)
There are five key things to know about the process…
It’s Hard
No decision is easy, and many decisions aren’t binary. There’s lots of gray area, even with explicit rules. We often receive reports that don’t violate those rules. It’s simply someone saying they don’t like what another person said. We aren’t argument referees, but people expect us to be. If that argument becomes harassment or discrimination, it’s time for intervention. But even that isn’t always straightforward.
We Get Some Things Wrong
We’ll sometimes debate for days on a single report. We always do our best to make the right call. Even so, we sometimes make mistakes. We’re willing to accept appeals when that happens.
We Get Most Things Right
We get a lot of things right. You can’t even imagine some of the traumatic things we see. Things we can’t ever unsee.
We’re Targets of Both Love and Hate
We get lots of love, but we get spit on a lot. Some people lose their minds when they’re moderated. They’ll publicly shame us or call for uprisings against us. Quite literally. I’ve even been known to vent about it because it gets exhausting.
Moderation Doesn’t End in the Queue
Some moderation is urgent or the severity requires additional action. We report all CSAM content to legal agencies in relevant countries. And with posts containing violent threats. We do our best to track the location of the offender. Then we report IPs/emails to domain registrars and web hosts.
It’s also important to note that we don’t moderate reports of ourselves, which actually happens. As of this writing, I’ve been reported five times. All were (objectively) resolved without moderation.
One challenging topic is mutual aid (community economic support).
Mutual Aid
First off, I believe in mutual aid. I don’t trust wealthy people or government systems to inherently take care of people. We need to take care of each other. Good, healthy mutual aid is a beautiful thing. This is the way.
But moderating mutual aid is a conundrum. The posts are from either people in need or scammers, and it’s not always easy to tell which one it is. We want to protect our Mastodon community from the latter. So we have to make judgment calls.
Sometimes it’s obvious, but most of the time we have to do some sleuthing. We analyze the account and related IP addresses. We conduct reverse image searches and research online profiles. It’s detective work.
I’d like to say we always get this right. We don’t. And it breaks our hearts if we make a mistake on this one. But we try to get it right. We really do.
Because we care, all of this has an impact on our mental health. Some negative, some positive.
Negative Impact on Mental Health
Content warning: I don’t details about traumatic content. But I do mention some topics that may be triggering.
Much of what we do is routine. But things can get bad, mentally. We take breaks when needed, knowing the others have our back. I’m grateful for this. Because I have definitely needed it.
There are two usual suspects that push the envelope:
Traumatic content
Being personally-targeted by people we’ve moderated
Traumatic Content
This section is difficult to discuss. I’ve tried to represent moderators as a whole in the rest of this article. But I’m going to personalize this section. Even though other moderators have shared similar sentiments, I don’t want to speak for anyone else on this.
I’ve seen some things. Really, really, really unimaginable things. Things I never wanted to see in my life that are now in my brain. And I’ve brought almost all of them to therapy.
People get reported for obvious things: slurs, misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia, etc. It’s painful to repeatedly see those words. Even when they’re not directed at me, I hate seeing them. It reminds me of the hate that exists in the world. It muddies the waters while trying to find strength to have even a sliver of optimism about the state of the world. I find myself saying “fuck you, asshole” while moderating these posts.
But there are other reports that stand out. You know these people exist in the world, but when you see them first hand it’s horrifying. CSAM in particular. But also violent threats, especially when used with discrimination.
The words and sentiments alone are hard to moderate. But often there are images. And try as I might, I am unable to shake them.
Targeted Attacks on Moderators
We’re volunteers trying to keep everyone safe, not monsters. And, yet, we get targeted. Sometimes personally. That’s not okay.
I’m certain every moderator has a story. Mine is that some people targeted my family. I discovered that some nazis found a photo of my kids from one of my lectures. They posted it to some repugnant forum, engaging in a racist, homophobic, bigoted hate fest.
They got my kids involved. My kids! Why? Because I dared delete a post filled with the same types of attacks against someone of color on Mastodon.
Positive Impact on Mental Health
The upside is that moderation gives me some control.
Watching a fascist autocracy unfold before your eyes is terrifying. Everything is collapsing on a massive scale in myriad ways. It’s enough to make a person feel helpless.
While it’s not monumental, I do get to curb some of that fascism through moderation. I get to push buttons with labels that read “delete post” and “suspend.” When some ignorant sociopath is harassing people, I get to wave a magic wand and make them disappear. At least from our corner of Mastodon.
That’s empowering. And meaningful. It does make a difference because I get to silence them. I can’t begin to describe how good that feels. Just a little tiny bit of justice.
We also once helped someone who posted a cry for help. He was talking about ending his life. Someone reported his post to see if we could help, and we did. Every once in a while I check on his account. He’s still there, posting cool stuff. I like to think we played a role in that.
Conclusion
So that’s a firehose of information, but it’s only part of the story. If you read this far, you deserve a cookie. If I could invite you over for one straight out of the oven (I make a mean vegan cookie) I would. For now, keep reporting the bad people and we’ll do the rest.
Thanks for taking the time to go on this journey with me.
Resources
If you’re new to Mastodon and the fediverse, free yourself from invasive tech and big social. Here are some resources to help you:
Join me on Mas.to. It’s way better than Twitter, I promise. Create an account, flesh out your profile, write an introduction, then say hello to me. I’ll be happy to share your introduction and help you get acclimated.
Learn everything you wanted to know (and more) about the fediverse from Fedi.tips.
Mastodon search is pretty powerful. I wrote a guide for getting the most out of it.
The fediverse has maybe the most powerful hashtags in social networking. But they should be accessible. I wrote a guide for that, too.
There’s a massive list of fediverse platforms, which can be overwhelming. Other than Mastodon, here are the ones that will look most familiar to you:
Elon Musk’s X is a thriving hub for Nazi support and propaganda, with paid subscribers sharing speeches by Hitler or content praising his genocidal regime.
I was surprised about this ratio (and the fact that it seems to work for them), too. I could imagine that a large percentage of lurkers and a maybe more reasonable community than other platforms could be helping factors?
My mastodon account is on a kind of small instance, and I'd love to be able to report posts directly to the originating instance, without also reporting it to "my" admin. I just don't wasn't then to waste their time locally blocking a clear spam account, that should (and usually will be) removed by the originating instance in a couple hours.
I just don't wasn't then to waste their time locally blocking a clear spam account, that should (and usually will be) removed by the originating instance in a couple hours.
I am afraid, that removal of spam account does not necessarily federate to another instance. On Mastodon activities federate mainly to instances an account, which made/edited/deleted the post, is followed from. (Or an instance can subscribe to relay, which exchanges all activities between all participating instances).
Report always landing to your admin may be something good in light of this...
Yea wtf? That seems insanely low. There's no way they can keep up with all content right? At least they can only be reactionary right, like when reports are made?
Kinda fucked up that this person moderated hate posts only to find the child predators posting images of their kids on a different forum.
Don't know about you, but whenever I see hate groups specifically targeting children, I think the intention is very clear. Not just spreading hate, but also wanting to act on one of the socially forbidden sex acts as well.
Haaretz report says Israel plans to fly 16 social media influencers who support Trump’s MAGA and America First campaigns.
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The influencers each have hundreds of thousands to millions of followers. They will be flown in to counter what the Israeli government sees as declining support for Israel among young Americans, the report said, without citing any date.
“With the rise of the America First movement and MAGA in American politics, it’s essential for Israel that the movement adopt a pro-Israel position,” Yacov Livne, senior deputy director of the Israeli Foreign Ministry’s Department of Public Diplomacy, was quoted as saying in the report.
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“[While] older Republicans and American conservatives still hold pro-Israel views, positive perspectives towards Israel are falling across all younger age groups,” it said, according to the report.
The influencers will be pushed to share messaging that aligns with Israeli policy regarding the Palestinians. “We are working with influencers, sometimes with delegations of influencers,” an unnamed source from the ministry told Haaretz.
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Israel365 promotes support for Israel, specifically among Christians, based on biblical principles. Its website says the group “stands unapologetically for the Jewish people’s God-given right to the entire Land of Israel”.
The organisation also rejects a two‑state solution as a “delusion” and describes its mission as defending “Western civilization against threats from both Progressive Left extremism and global jihad”.
The USA-Israel couple is truly the most degenerate thing in the world. If only the rest of the world had the balls to ostracize them once and for all...
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a remote and uninhabited island located 400 miles from Honolulu
Mokumanamana sits at the boundary between "'pō,' the darkness, and 'au,' the light." When a Native Hawaiian dies, their soul travels up near Mokumanamana, and after meeting their ancestors there, they potentially get to advance into the great beyond with them in the dark waters west of the island.
okey-doke.
So, uninhabited (at this point means not viable for habitation) and it's a religious site that probably no one goes on a pilgrimage to? Fuckit.
edit: so the people using the downvote button as a disagree button:
What's the problem? If we are going to do this space shit we need places to drop the litter, what's wrong with this place? Is it just because it's Musk and Trump? I'm no fan of either but wouldn't it be better to have this SpaceX trash out in the Pacific instead of off the coast of South Texas where millions of US and Mexican citizens live?
Uninhabited islands are not uninhabitable and the only value of a place is not whether people can live on it. The northwestern Hawaiian islands are a marine sanctuary valued even though barely anyone goes there. This argument is like saying the deep Everglades are unexploited, so we might as well dump our trash there.
You are steadfastly dedicated to not getting the point while simultaneously whining about downvotes. Have an angry day where you think everyone else is the problem.
Okay, so let’s put it this way. If the federal govt decided that people could take dumps in Your grandparents garage without asking, you would protest right? And if they said “well, your grandparents don’t live in The house so it shouldn’t be a problem”- it’d be a problem right? And then someone posts the article on here and someone types out a defense “yeah but it’s a garage, its uninhabitable” and then later “WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH THIS SHITTY LITTLE ISLAND?” …. You’re getting this right?
The Gulf of Mexico is also a bad place, but unfortunately it wasn't a marine monument and the residents there didn't fight to protect it. We in Hawaii care about this island because it's our responsibility and all of our islands are interconnected. You don't seem to know shit about the area or that scientists don't view SpaceX's reckless R&D as an unabashed good and then go up on your soapbox to act like you in your ignorance are the only rational mind.
We have black widows. But the real curse a Hawaii resident would send to someone is the giant centipede. They're mean and painful. Both of those species are introduced though.
Barry Sawchuk found a giant piece of suspected space debris, as shown in this handout image provided by Sawchuk, in the field of his farm located near Ituna, Sask.
tramping religious rights of locals is fine, but don't you dare to touch christianity. Christian churches get tax exemptions etc. I'm an atheist but this is a glaring discriminatiin. You either disregard all religions or tiptoe around all of them there's nothing in between
it's time to accept that America is a Christian nation. it shouldn't be, but we're already getting Christian sharia laws, like women should be forced to give birth even if they die, or if the fetus is non viable.
Nigel Farage has said violent UK offenders could be jailed overseas under his plans to cut crime by half.
The Reform UK leader named El Salvador as a likely destination, though he said he has not held conversations with officials there and "multiple" partners would be considered.
El Salvador is home to a notorious mega-prison, the Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT).
How is Nigel still alive and just walking around? Oh wait, he's only 61? Fuck he's going to be shitting in the pool for like 40 more years at this rate.
If there's one thing I dislike more than a fascist autocrat, it's a would-be copycat fascist autocrat with no ideas of his own and a face like the world's most punchable frog.
Canada had a Trump clone run in its last election. He faceplanted because Trump started threatening to annex Canada during the election. Maybe Farage’s endorsement of the worst Trump policies will have a similar effect.
Coincidentally, Canada’s Trump clone also had a punchable face. Maybe being full of shit naturally makes you look constipated and ill-tempered.
Poilievre isn't a Trump clone. Trump is perceived as an outsider to politics, someone who isn't a normal politician. Poilievre hasn't had any other jobs than being a politician, and tried to run with Trump's policies. I'm not going to say that's why he lost the election, but he's a long way from being a clone since he lacked one of the major traits that most people who would vote for Trump would identify with.
That’s a good point, actually. It’s worth noting, though, that Trump ran as the anti-elite candidate - a fact that is beyond absurd for someone who inherited almost a billion dollars. If a Manhattan billionaire can run as an everyman, maybe Poillievre’s long participation in Candian politics and his role under Harper would not prevent him running as a ‘political outsider.’ People might be dumb enough to believe it.
In Vladimir Putin’s Russia, sharing details of publications openly sold in bookstores can result in a 16-year prison sentence.
This has been the fate of Grigory Skvortsov, a 35-year-old photographer and musician from Perm.
Skvortsov was one of thousands across Russia who purchased the 2021 publication Secret Soviet Bunkers by historian Dmitry Yurkov. The book reproduced scores of once secret diagrams of Soviet installations that had recently been declassified.
Some supplementary scans were made available with the book, which Skvortsov purchased. He later shared some of those documents with an unnamed American journalist.
Since the 2022 invasion of Ukraine, Russia has drastically expanded the scope of what can be deemed a "state secret."
In letters to friends, Skvortsov says the Russian authorities opened the case against him in order to hide their own failures in not noticing potentially sensitive information was being freely sold and passed around online.
“I did not have access to state secrets and had no malicious intent," the photographer wrote from detention. “The data was not protected by the state.... These facts are being ignored by the prosecution and the courts, who are treating the case formally, clearly out of fear of repression from the FSB."
The band’s music is described as niche, but it was released by a British record label, and attracted attention from Sonic Seducer Magazine, a German music publication. It was during an interview with that magazine that Skvortsov voiced his opposition to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
publications openly sold in bookstores can result in a 16-year prison sentence.
For those who are interested. Secret Data is not something secret, it is something mentioned in the Secret Data List which itself is also in the Secret Data List.
I know why you got downvoted, but you are right, it's not about tourists, it's about the USA immigrants (the so called expats), since the goverment made changes to privately benefit from all the airbnb shit, we have people earning in dollars, that pay 0 taxes to México and of course the market tries to squeeze out their dollars, rising prices and changing the environment to appeal to those migrants, leaving out and even kicking out the nationals.
People are right to be angry about it, but they are aiming to the wrong part, this was allowed (and boosted) by the past and present administration (even when they were warned about it) to fill their own pockets even if it meant stepping on their own people.
To a lesser extent, many USA immigrants are trying to make everything around them to their liking instead of integrating themselves to a new culture... And a lot of mexicans are happy to lick their soles expecting to become one of them or be accepted by them.
This is how demand works. If the population of an area want a Starbucks, they get a Starbucks. I’ve lived in many areas that were cool until they became “cool,” if you catch my meaning. Prices went up and I had to leave. It’s tempting to blame the people who came in and were willing to spend money. But while trying to find the root cause of the problem, they quickly become… Not the problem.
I’d say few people go into a new area and think, gosh I want to make this different. They went there because they wanted to be there. If a Starbucks pops up, they aren’t exactly upset, but they probably could live without it.
The problem is the people who own these places. Those people aren’t the ones protesting. And if you want to think of it from a purely ownership standpoint, the people protesting have no right to complain what the people who own the land want to do with it.
I have no idea what the solution is beyond rent control and price caps. Those two things will keep costs down regardless of tourism, discouraging landowners from changing the area to suit the demand of tourism.
Additionally, preventing foreign companies from establishing their businesses in the region would preserve the local culture. However, as previously mentioned, it is the individuals who own this land—both in a literal and a political sense—who are facilitating this occurrence.
"And we're seeing a particular pattern of injuries whereby particular body parts are being targeted on particular days. So one day we will see mainly abdominal gunshot wounds. Another day we'll see head gunshot wounds. Another day we'll see neck gunshot wounds. So there is a very clear pattern that all, not just me but all of us, have seen in this hospital, whereby particular body parts are targeted on particular days"
Pfeiffer: The shooting that we heard earlier that's happening so close to your hospital, are we hearing fighting? Are we hearing defense? What is happening that is so audible in the background?
Maynard: This is through fighting almost certainly between gangs or families who are fighting over food. We've seen this on several occasions. This is not the Israeli military and it's not Hamas, we're told very reliably. It's fighting gangs or fighting families who are trying to get food, and this is born out of desperation for food because they are all starving.
Gunshot wounds like that could also be results from these fights between Palestinians.
I'm curious as to why Lemmy rarely shows up in search results on the main internet even if there is a post related to the search input. I've only ever seen a Lemmy result if Lemmy is specified. Is this because we're still relatively small or some other reason?
I've seen league of linux lemmy show up in search results but thats dead now so rip. Other than that we dont have that many answer style threads compared with the years and years of blogspam and reddit spam.
There's just not enough content here besides tech and linux. Also, It's likely about keeping the internet influence dynamics inside the silicon valley, which in part is favorable to authoritarian surveillance system like the US. And yes, they are in bed with each other if you haven't noticed.
I don't remember the exact search, but it had something to do with Star Citizen. A link to a post from that Lemmy.world community was fairly high on a DuckDuckGo search result.
Along with a few other users, I've posted some useful links and info in the community over there. It looks like that work is starting to pay off.
Not much links to it. It's really rare that I see a blog, social media, or non-fediverse forum post link to a Lemmy post. That sort of thing still matters quite a bit to search engines.
Be the change you want to see, I've been sending links like piefed.social/post/1062918 to friends and family when I see interesting things or funny memes
How come Lemmy rarely shows up in internet search results?
I'm curious as to why Lemmy rarely shows up in search results on the main internet even if there is a post related to the search input. I've only ever seen a Lemmy result if Lemmy is specified. Is this because we're still relatively small or some other reason?
because the WWW is now so unimaginably big that something needs to show up on the first page, and except for very obscure search terms, that "something" will probably be more well-known pages that have invested more in SEO
From an SEO perspective, federation looks almost exactly the same as spam unfortunately. A bunch of websites with very similar content that all link to each other but aren’t linked to externally very much.
This person gets it! After I launched my website/blog it showed up immediately on google, even though it's content is directly pulled from my Lemmy instance. Which has been running much longer than the site, and cannot be found using search engines.
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I need the Urdu language. I have made a request on Transifex, and I want to know how
I need the Urdu language. I have made a request on Transifex, and I want to know how long it will take until I hear from those in charge. I have a loose schedule nowadays and would like to start and finish translation for my language. Thanks.
As Urdu is an RTL language, I also want to know if any other contribution is required on the code/styles side, or just completing the translation will finish the job
It seemed like Hertz really got this under control, after bringing in Palantir to help track its rental fleet. So it was pretty jarring to me that a reader recently received the scariest letter than anyone who frequents this blog can get.
Holy shit. The contract that dude signed had a maximum fee of $35 for EV recharge, yet they charged him $277 and claimed the contract allowed that. Thankfully, the worst I've had from Hertz is they just told me to fuck off and didn't give me my reserved vehicle.
They charged me for a broken windshield, which I paid and then wouldn't provide me a receipt for my insurance company. Then to top it off, they turned me into a collections agency because they said I didn't pay for the windshield. I will never rent from them again.
And I will take this as my cue to mention that Hertz, Dollar and Thrifty are all the same company and they will each of them take every opportunity possible to fuck you.
I am 0% surprised that Hertz would be the first in the US to roll this out. Expecting a Steve Lehto YouTube video about it within the next three days ...
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I think it's generally a brilliant solution but there are a couple of problems here:
The scanner seems to flag fucking everything and charge for minor damage where a human would probably flag it as wear.
No one is allowed to correct the scanner:
Perturbed by the apparent mistake, the user tried to speak to employees and managers at the Hertz counter, but none were able to help, and all "pointed fingers at the 'AI scanner.'" They were told to contact customer support — but even that proved futile after representatives claimed they "can’t do anything."
Sounds to me like they're just trying to replace those employees. That's why they won't let them interfere.
I use an app called GoMore in some places in Europe that allows you to rent cars from other peers. The rental process is cheaper and faster--everything is done through the app--and you avoid these shady corpo practices.
Sometimes there's no competition. Many times there is. And still customers will ignore them.
Look where we all are right now. Was it hard leaving Reddit? Did it cost you anything? And yet millions of people return there every day. Reddit fucked them, they protested for 2 days, and then almost everyone went back to business as usual.
Companies have been fucking consumers since the beginning of time and consumers, time and time again, bend over and ask for more. Just look at all of the most successful companies in the world and ask yourself, are they constantly trying to deliver the most amazing service possible for their customers or are they trying to find new ways to fuck them at every available opportunity?
I feel like the go to strategy would be to offer incredible service at first, then once you are big enough to force out competitors and the like, then you start fucking the consumer
I'm not sure how you can make the points you make, and still call it a "generally brilliant solution"
The entire point of this system - like anything a giant company like Hertz does - is not to be fair to the customer. The point is to screw the customer over to make money.
Not allowing human employees to challenge the incorrect AI decision is very intentional, because it defers your complaint to a later time when you have to phone customer support.
This means you no longer have the persuasion power of being there in person at the time of the assessment, with the car still there too, and means you have to muster the time and effort to call customer services - which they are hoping you won't bother doing. Even if you do call, CS hold all the cards at that point and can easily swerve you over the phone.
Just because THE TECHNOLOGY IS NOT PERFECT does not mean it is NOT DOING WHAT IT'S intended to do. Sorry I'm having trouble controlling THE VOLUME OF MY VOICE.
Society typically understands "there's nothing wrong with x" to mean it's performing within acceptable boundaries, and not to mean that it has achieved perfection.
It's not solving the problem because it's not being implemented properly. If you take a hammer and smash it into the the medium over and over again instead of hitting the nail, is that the hammer's fault or yours?
Stop lights are meant to direct traffic. If someone runs a red light, is the technology not working as it should?
The technology here, using computer vision to automatically flag potential damage, needed to be implemented alongside human supervision - an employee should be able to walk by the car, see that the flagged damage doesn't actually exist, and override the algorithm.
The technology itself isn't bad, it's how hertz is using it that is.
I believe the unfortunate miscommunication here is that when @Ulrich@feddit.org said the solution was brilliant, they were referring to the technology as the "solution", and others are referring to the implementation as a whole as the "solution"
I was pretty clear about what I was referring to. The internet is just full of pedants lurking and waiting for their chance to UM ACKSHUALLY their way into a conversation.
There is no human element to this implantation, it is the technology itself malfunctioning. There was no damage but the system thinks there is damage.
Let's make sure we're building up from the same foundation. My assumptions are: 1. Algorithms will make mistakes. 2. There's an acceptable level of error for all algorithms. 3. If an algorithm is making too many mistakes, that can be mitigated with human supervision and overrides.
Let me know if you disagree with any of these assumptions.
In this case, the lack of human override discussed in assumption 3 is, itself, a human-made decision that I am claiming is an error in implementing this technology. That is the human element. As management, you can either go on a snipe hunt trying to find an algorithm that is perfect, or you can make sure that trained employees can verify and correct the algorithm when needed. Instead hertz management chose option 3 - run an imperfect algorithm with absolutely 0 employee oversight. THAT is where they fucked up. THAT is where the human element screwed a potentially useful technology.
I work with machine learning algorithms. You will not, ever, find a practical machine learning algorithm that gets something right 100% of the time and is never wrong. But we don't say "the technology is malfunctioning" when it gets something wrong, otherwise there's a ton of invisible technology that we all rely on in our day to day lives that is "malfunctioning".
You’re admitting the technology is in fact flawed if you think it needed to be implemented with supervision. An uno reverse is, every set of traffic lights needs a traffic controller to stop drivers running red lights. Unequivocal, right?
You’re admitting the technology is in fact flawed if you think it needed to be implemented with supervision.
You're absolutely right. The technology isn't perfect if it needs to be implemented with supervision, but it can be good enough to have a role in everyday society.
Great examples are self checkout lanes, where there's always an employee watching, and speed cameras, which always have an officer reviewing and signing off on tickets.
An uno reverse is, every set of traffic lights needs a traffic controller to stop drivers running red lights.
Traffic lights are meant to direct traffic. Yet you don't expect them to prevent folks from running red lights. Folks don't expect them to, because that's not their role in their implementation - they are meant to be used alongside folks who will enforce traffic laws, and, maybe in fact, traffic controllers. This is arguably an example of an implementation done right.
This technology is meant to flag car damage. If there was a correct implementation, I would be able to say "folks don't expect them to be perfect, because that's not their role in their implementation - they are meant to be used alongside employees trained to verify damage exists, who can correct the algorithm if needed", but the implementation in this case is sadly bad.
At the end of the day, you will never have a "perfect" computer vision algorithm. But you can have many "good enough" ones, depending on how they're implemented.
The technology isn't there to accurately assess damage. It's there to give Hertz an excuse to charge you extra money. It's working exactly as the ghouls in the C-suite like.
It's really funny here. There already exists software that does this stuff. It's existed for quite a while. I personally know a software engineer that works at a company that creates this stuff. It's sold to insurance companies. Hertz version must just totally suck.
The US lacks even the most basic consumer protections it seems.
In Australia, companies still try to give you the run around, but I am extremely confident this wouldn't fly here. Even though I'm not a lawyer.
If you literally can't get a hold of them, they're breaking Australian Consumer Law, that's a slam dunk to charge back the card and dare them to take you to your state's relevant tribunal that hears cases like this. It costs either like $70 to file, you can represent yourself easily, and if you're low-income, it's literally free.
They don't want to waste money on fighting you. If you're confident you're clearly in the right, it's very easy to get a company to back down.
This is a great time to remind everyone to take photos before and after getting a rental car, because otherwise it's your word against them.
You are spot on here. AI is great for sensitivity (noticing potential issues), but terrible for specivity (giving many false positives).
The issue is how AI is used, not the AI itself. They don't have a human in the checking process. They should use AI scanner to check the car. If it's fine, then you have saved the employee from manually checking, which is a time-consuming process and prone to error.
If the AI spots something, then get an employee to look at the issues highlighted. If it's just a water drop or other false positive, then it should be a one click 'ignore', and the customer goes on their way without charge. If it is genuine, then show the evidence to the customer and discuss charges in person. Company still saves time over a manual check and has much improved accuracy and evidence collection.
They are being greedy by trying to eliminate the employee altogether. This probably doesn't actually save any money, if anything it costs more in dealing with complaints, not to mention the loss of sales due to building a poor image.
I'd ask for the stupid AI scanning system to scan my car before I agree to renting it. Once they sign off on the 'all clear' notification from their AI scanner before rental, then I'd consider renting it .... but after reading this headline, I'd probably just tell them, I'm spending a few hundred dollars more on renting a car from someone else.
Just spit balling here, but they probably tune the AI for different thresholds between return and rent out so that they can rake in the damage fees for things that "weren't there" during the first AI scan.
I will bring this up again like I did my last post concerning Hertz.
While I was in Albuquerque, NM getting off the Amtrak train, I reserved our rental car from their website and went to the nonexistent address with no phone number or anything. After half an hour we called another Hertz and they basically told us to piss off and call the location we booked the car. I have few brands that I boycott and now they will be Nestle products (and sub companies) and Hertz.
Sure, I'm just not sure if it's more or less often than when it's equivalent. It's frequent enough that you should be careful if quality is what you're after.
I'm interested in examples of when name-brand is worse quality, but yes, name-brand isn't always objectively better, and is often produced in the same facility.
As usual, it depends, so don't knee-jerk to all one or the other, if it matters to you, compare the packaging (it'll say where it was produced, so you can guess when it's the same product).
Then you can buy nestle products and feel good about it because it's got the Kroger label instead of nestle, because store brands are generally name brand products in the stores wrapping.
SIXT and TURO. Maybe price out renting the big truck from Lowe's/home depot. Or a haul. Both might be cheaper than hertz/enterprise depending on your area.
I've had a lot of good recent experiences with Enterprise (in the US). There's some interesting services like Turo, but I can't bring myself to try it yet. Weirdly too personal being other people's cars.
Enterprise and Alamo is owned by the same family which means they aren’t beholden to public shareholders. Usually this means the company is ran better and not as haphazardly as public ones tend to be.
I used Avis in a different state for a short car rental and they sent me a hefty bill for some kind of damage below the vehicle a couple months after returning it.
I refused to pay and will refuse to use them ever again. Your mileage may vary.
The term AI itself is a shifting of goalposts. What was AI 50 years ago* is now AGI, so we can call this shit AI though it's nothing of the sort. And everybody's falling for the hype: governments, militaries, police forces, care providers, hospitals... not to speak of the insane amounts of energy & resources this wastes, and other highly problematic, erm, problems. What a fucking disaster.
If it wasn't for those huge caveats I'd be all for it. Use it for what it can do (which isn't all that much), research it. But don't fall for the shit some tech bro envisions for us.
It's also the other way around. What was called AI in the past is now called bots. Simple algorithms that approximate the appearance of intelligence like even the earliest chess engines, for instance, were also called AI.
And all those uses are correct, because AI is a broad field. We should just use the more specific terms these days though: machine learning, LLM, Bayesian networks, etc.
Agreed. But most people have neither the time nor capacity to track all of these specifics, so popular discussions of AI-related technologies inevitably break down into a mud pit of people talking past each other about various different topics.
Which, if you think about it, is true of most public discussions about any complex topic. It almost invariably devolves into a miscommunication or a discussion about semantics.
People have the capacity to track genres and whatnot, what's so different about this?
I think people could understand if explained probably, but unfortunately journalists rarely dive deeply enough to do that. It really doesn't need to get too involved:
machine learning - tell an algorithm what it's allowed to change and what a "good" output is and it'll handle the rest to find the best solution
Bayesian networks - probability of an event given a previous event; this is the underpinnings of LLMs
LLM - similar to Bayesian networks, but with a lot more data
And so on. If people can associate a technology with common applications, it'll work a lot more like genres and people will start to intuit limitations of various technologies.
What's different is that most people will see it as "tech stuff" and mentally file it in a drawer with spare extension cords and adapters. They don't care to deeply study or catalog things. Nerds care about that, and most people here, including me, are nerds, but most people are not nerds and consider learning to be a form of torture.
People writ-large don't care about proper genre labels either, they just kinda pick a vibe and guess off of it. Look at all the -core suffixed aesthetic names that cropped up in the last decade.
You’re not wrong, but that’s also a bit misleading. “AI” is all-encompassing while terms like AGI and ASI are subsets. From the 1950s onward AI was expected to evolve quickly as computing evolved, that never happened. Instead, AI mostly topped out with decision trees, like those used for AI in videogames. ML pried the field back open, but not in the ways we expected.
AGI and ASI were coined in the early 2000s to set apart the goal of human-level intelligence from other kinds of AI like videogame AI. This is a natural result of the field advancing in unexpected, divergent directions. It’s not meant to move the goal post, but to clarify future goals against past progress.
It is entirely possible that we develop multiple approaches to AGI that necessitate new terminology to differentiate them. It’s the nature of all evolution, including technology and language.
We called the basic movement of the grabbers in Defender AI to distinguish it from the fixed movement of Space Invaders. We still call that AI in modern videogames.
The current situation is a bubble based on an over hyped extension of the cloud compute boom. Nearly a trillion dollars of capital expenditure over the past 5 years from major tech companies chasing down this white whale and filling up new data centers with Nvidia GPUs. With revenue caping out at maybe 45 billion annually across all of them for “AI” products and services, and that’s before even talking about ongoing operation costs such as power for the data centers, wages for people working on them, or the wages of people working to develop services to run on them.
None of this is making any fucking profit, and every attempt to find new revenue ether increases their costs even more or falls flat on its face the moment it is actually shipped. No one wants to call it out at higher levels because NVIDIA is holding up the whole fucking stock market right now, and them crashing out because everyone stoped buying new GPUs will hurt everyone else’s growth narrative.
Yup intentionally using dogy tools to extract more money from people under false pretenses, at this point I'm boycotting any company that claims to use AI, fuck em all
Good luck trying to boycott a car rental company, as far as I can tell they are all actually the same company with 5 different "brands". You rent from one but when you show up they send you to another one who has the car. It's crazy.
Computer vision commonly uses convolutional neural networks on the input, which is different from the transformer neural networks used in LLMs. If you have more info indicating LLMs are used here please share
I wonder what a credit card dispute would result in here. Underutilized feature when businesses pull shady shit. Think I've had 6 or so disputes over the years, never failed.
Too many people these days don't use or have access to credit cards for services like this. Many people I know only use bank debit cards, or worse, use the debit preloaded cash cards issued by their employers' payroll service provider.
Credit cards motivate banks to help you, because if you won't pay, and the business doesn't pay, the bank has to take the hit.
Debit cards will work as well if your bank values it's reputation - but not all banks do.
And I would not trust a preloaded card provider to assist. You are neither their business partner nor their customer and that puts your interests at the bottom of a very long list. You have to hope some law is on your side or that your issue is so trivial that resolving it is more cost effective then dealing with you.
I don't understand how this works out badly for the person using a debit card. You pay for the vehicle and if they try to make you pay more you ask for proof and if you don't get it you walk away.
It's about who's lawyers you can rally to your defense in a dispute.
With a credit card you're spending the bank's money. If you can convince the bank you're in the right, it's you and the bank's lawyers recovering the bank's money.
As a debit card user, the banks will support your legal rights, because it's good business for your clients to prosper. While the bank's lawyers won't go to bat for you, many will be willing to give you quasi-legal and quasi-financial tidbits or point you in the right direction.
As the bank's client's employee, you're basically on your own. Good luck.
Virtually any place that accepts a credit card will accept debit cards, too. Actually, most debit cards can be processed as credit cards. The comment you responded to simply highlighted that this trick is much easier to pull with credit card than a debit card, as the creditor hasn't yet been repaid for the credit issued.
I paid a $300 deposit to reserve a moving company in five days.
The associate on the phone told me to read the terms carefully online
I said sure and skimmed it. Then paid the emailed invoice. I shopped around and found a rate 40% cheaper.
So I called the next day. 20 hours later. Spoke to the same associate and she said no refund because it's within 7 days of the appointment.
I wasn't having it. Yes it's in the terms. Don't care. She knew the booking was not refundable and said read the terms instead of fucking telling me that on our phone call.
I called her right the fuck out. We spoke on the phone. I didn't self service online. I told her I saw the terms and I don't care. I called 20 hours after our previous call and she knew the deposit was not refundable. That's shady as fuck.
I demanded a refund. She pointed to terms. I said I was going to issue a charge back and blast them online in every platform I could find.
Credit cards are also an instrument of christofascist pedophiles who want to ban all pornography and 'pornography' (they consider the existence of queer people to be porn)
Yes. I agree - on paper all three have a chargeback process that appear similar enough. However, assuming you aren't a financial expert who never needs help, I'm discussing the behind the front politics at play and each group's motivations to go above and beyond.
Oh, so Hertz has gotten wise to... every online platform that exists: Outsourcing all responsibility for their user-hostile bullshit to some vague "system" that cannot be held accountable.
I'm so sorry but the advertised cost has doubled because... Computer says so! No, sir, there's nothing I can do, sir, you see it's the system.
And you can't go anywhere else, because everyone else is doing it (or soon will be) too!
I mean, it'll mostly be accelerating a trend that was already there. Also, the initial scramble to use the legal grey area to cover as much shady shit as possible in a: Well shucks, how were we supposed to know the neural net would make illegal denials? After all, the guys who trained it don't even know exactly why it does what it does kinda way
I get why they'd use something like this to save money and time but, is suspect that correct use would include a human check before charging people.
We need to start pushing for laws on this kind of thing. Automated checks are fine if you, as the company, trust they won't have too many false negatives. If you aren't checking for false positives, though, you should be heavily fined for each false report. $25,000 per false report sounds like a good place to start. Hopefully that would be large enough to not just be the cost of doing business.
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in reply to snowfalldreamland • • •How many small businesses can afford such permit? Hell, I'd argue that even bigger companies will have a problem paying for that.
Also, what if I just connect to a vps overseas and set my exit point there? Will they ban vps too? This is gonna be so much fun to see from the outside
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in reply to AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor • • •Feature, not a bug.
They want people back in offices to help landlords and property prices. This way they can say that remote work is not banned and it's just companies choosing not to buy a permit and offer it.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor
in reply to then_three_more • • •I work from office and i regularly use a vpn at work to connect remotely to devices that are not physically with me. Not to talk about companies that provide remote assistance and use them to connect to their customers devices.
Remote work is just a byproduct of vpns, but not the real reason why you use them at work.
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in reply to then_three_more • • •Absolutely not, of course. I'm just hoping they try to enforce this so a shitstorm of proportions only seen in the brexit will ensue.
One thing we must acknowledge to these idiots is how much effort they put on showing the world the consequences of extremely stupid acts so the rest don't have to do it.
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in reply to AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor • • •Kinda sucks to be the world's policy alpha tester though.
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in reply to Archangel1313 • • •It's something russia has been doing for a decade and got pretty good at.
A long term blanket vpn ban is not compatible with a modern digital infrastructure, but with certain protocols (openvpn, wireguard) they can detect their usage and filter them out when necessary.
It does require a lot of expensive DPI (deep packet inspection) hardware I'm not sure UK has, so building a Great Firewall of Britain (Hadrian's Firewall?) will take some time.
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in reply to themachinestops • • •The government: Parents have you tried being a parent to your children?
Parents: Oh lord no that's too difficult can't you just, I don't know lol, ban it or something?
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in reply to mannycalavera • • •In my English textbook, ca. 2007 there was a comic of a child in a cage hanging outside the house. The father told the neighbor something like "This way they get out of the house, but stay off the streets."
I think that hit quite well, what many consider parenting in the UK.
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in reply to themachinestops • • •Just to fast-forward this dumb cat-and-mouse thing, the next step is people go back to torrenting their porn and deeper down the rabbit hole of garbage "free" websites skirting the rules.
As always, the UK is useful on the international stage because sometimes you need to be able to point at some idiot trying dumb stuff to explain to people why dumb stuff is dumb.
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in reply to MudMan • • •It does feel that way. UK bureaucracy is just one giant guinea pig stunting it's own commonwealth.
Next someone will try enforcing paper umbrellas as a solution for climate action. We'll all say, "That won't work". They'll still do it; it won't work. We'll say, "We told you so", and it won't get reversed because they're already aiming at the next foot to shoot.
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in reply to saltesc • • •There has to be a logical next step for the information age. Old school government is not fucking working, and we can all see it.
The fact that there aren't large scale riots already is astounding.
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in reply to kingofras • • •It's probably true that a few anti-porn people exist somewhere in the world. It's certainly true that fascists love adding in new tools to keep the general population from using the internet freely.
So the answer to your question is yes, and yes.
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in reply to neon_nova • • •I am pretty sure they would consider tor as using a VPN.
Probably they would demand ISPs to run lists of known VPN addresses and if you connect to them, they will forward the information to the anti-terrorism unit and you will get SWATed.
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in reply to shortwavesurfer • • •Don't the people in those countries use a proxy to access tor first? probably that means cycling through the proxies regularly as they become known. I have no doubt that it is impossible to prevent truly tech savvy people from access. Also Russia, Iran and China all run state sanctioned hackers, so the governments have a vested interest in allowing these groups to obscure where they are coming from.
But i am not sure how much that transpires to a broader public.
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in reply to Luouth • • •Vinstaal0
in reply to themachinestops • • •But what if I work for Proton and I am in the UK?
Edit: it's hypothetical
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in reply to MonkderVierte • • •Oh that makes it easier for the government.
Maybe that the end goal, force people back into the office by banning vpn
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in reply to doctortofu • • •Oh, wait, no, that was about the evil communists.
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in reply to Zoldyck • • •Can't do it all at once or the ~~peasants~~ populace might catch on!
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in reply to themachinestops • • •Will the next step be banning VPS then? Because that's what will happen: if you ban VPNs (good luck with that lol), people will just connect to a VPS in a less stupid country and exit from there.
I hope they start looking at TOR too, that should be really fun.
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Pup Biru
in reply to thenose • • •let people live life is more than just good for individuals… it’s just safer for everyone
focusing on harm reduction rather than abstinence and bans
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in reply to ajoebyanyothername • • •Senal
in reply to thenose • • •I'd tentatively say, casually available heroin, morphine and laudanum/opium.
It obviously caused problems and pushed the market underground but it seems to have worked out.
I'm not aware of any studies in to this though, so it's only conjecture/guesswork.
I'll also clearly state I'm not putting them on the same level as this current dystopian bullshittery.
UltraGiGaGigantic
in reply to Senal • • •"Worked out" is people dieing from tainted drugs of a unknown potency? Youre a fucking monster.
Senal
in reply to UltraGiGaGigantic • • •Hey now, that's a lot of animosity for a statement that doesn't do much to make a good point.
The original question was
I posited a conjecture based guess with some basic reasoning and as i said , it was opinion more than provable fact.
By "worked out" i meant the overall situation is better after the ban, despite the negative consequences.
It seems that was lost on you, but now you know.
So let's address your reasoning, such as it is.
People died from tainted drugs before the ban, probably a lot from tainted drugs of the type in the ban.
Unless you have any evidence those numbers changed significantly after the ban, I'll chalk that up to your opinion.
Not a very reasonable one to my eyes, but such are angry people on the internet.
I was not aware i needed to provide an example of a ban that resulted in everything being completely fixed after the fact (mainly because that's not how the question was worded) but if that was, in fact, the requirement, my bad.
If I'm a monster (in your opinion) because i think the reduction in access to terribly addictive drugs might have overall brought down fatalities and other negative consequences, then i can live with that.
Vinstaal0
in reply to themachinestops • • •What would be defined as a VPN and even then there are other options to get access to content as if you where in a different country or ways to bypass the age restriction.
A lot of companies and governments also use VPN's to get people to work on their servers, so how would the UK function.
It always baffles me that they try shit like that.
Edit: heck proper sex education is a way better solution to reduce unhealthy sex habits
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in reply to Vinstaal0 • • •It's not about sex, or protecting the children.
It's about control.
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Vinstaal0
in reply to 0x0 • • •Maybe it and maybe it isn't, but kicking against it trying to change won't help because there is a certain amount of the population who believes that it isn't for control, but it is actually for sex or protecting the children or what not.
If you want to get those people over to change their behaviour, you want to work on compromises or in this case you want to deflect them into fixing something else.
Trust me, I have a lot of right and even some mildly right people around me and with going hard against them you will just confirm their bias.
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in reply to themachinestops • • •That sounds a bit like fear mongering from Reform: a VPN is safety 101 when using public networks, and most businesses make use of VPNs to secure their data. They are also a key component if WFH (you use the company VPN).
If Labour are stupid enough to go after VPN usage, I suspect it would guarantee their loss at the next election.
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in reply to HexesofVexes • • •It has always been the main aim of legislation like this to nobble VPNs, they just needed the "child" "violent pornography" etc. excuse to do so. UK government already monitors all of the internet traffic for the UK, except for MPs who are exempt, VPNs are a blocker for this.
Obviously, not even the UK government would expect a private VPN ban (work VPNs would likely need an Ofcom license) to stop everybody from using a VPN or suitable alternative, its not the aim. The aim is to stop the majority from doing so and criminalize the minority who do still bypass the block as it gives them the power to seize equipment, ask for your logins (its illegal punishable with jail time to not supply this in the UK), request ISP logs etc. to deep dive into your life.
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in reply to LeFrog • • •I saw this news and I guess it’s good that privacy is being discussed somewhat soberly over there in the wake of this investment decision.
Personally I have recently been exiting out of the UK, a much more invasive country, so Switzerland for now does seem like an improvement for me. Norway is further out geographically and has less Mullvad servers, would seem like the less favorable option for me unless the proposed laws actually pass.
Frankly I’m scrambling after the UK’s ID thing.
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in reply to peoplebeproblems • • •They pivoted quite hard a few years ago to try and win an election.
They are just Tory Lite now.
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in reply to peoplebeproblems • • •For starters, the whole "Progressive" thing is an American concept born out of the American environment (with its very deep religious moralistic strain amongst a large fraction of the population) and does not really applicable to Britain because, at least until recently, they didn't really have regressive tendencies.
Beyond that Labour hasn't been Leftwing since Tony Blair took over in the 80s and started talking about it being New Labour - they're Neoliberals and quite strongly so, so pretty rightwing.
What they did was performative Identity Politics like in the US: theatrics in the Moral space to make them seem different from the other mainstream party, rather than actually having genuine Liberal Principles.
Of late they even ditched that and seem to be trying to outfascist the Fascists.
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in reply to KonnaPerkele • • •All it takes is one big brother/sister that knows how to access a free or paid VPN and their 5 year old little sibling and all their friends will have it also. Despite the difficulty teaching them math or history, they DO learn very quickly and are fast to figure out new things that interest them.
Do you know what's smarter and more talented the the UK government?
14, 402, 544 kids............
themachinestops
in reply to KonnaPerkele • • •A lot more than you know, I knew how to use it since middle school.
And if they don't know they will use Reddit to find out how to access the sites:
reddit.adminforge.de/r/teenage…
redlib.baczek.me/r/teenagers/c…
Don't underestimate kids.
Turns out it's comically easy to bypass Reddit's new age verification - r/teenagers
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in reply to KonnaPerkele • • •I started using a VPN after my friends/classmates told me about them in my Sophomore year of HS, mostly to get around the Wifi banning us from accessing certain apps (social media). Now, like all the other dumb kids, I used whatever they recommended, which was some shitty "Free" VPN that was probably stalking my data. But by Senior year, I smartened up and learned about online privacy and got myself a Proton VPN subscription after using the free version for a bit.
So yeah, I could totally believe middle-school and up are using VPNs, cause that's what we literally did.
Anivia
in reply to KonnaPerkele • • •Were you never a child? I formatted my family pc and reinstalled windows xp in 5th grade, and used a proxy to circumvent the schools online filter in 7th grade.
Children are not as stupid as you seem to think
VPNs also accept many anonymous payment methods that happen to be easily accessible to children, like gift cards. And free VPNs exist
KonnaPerkele
in reply to Anivia • • •Where there is a will there is a way, I guess.
Still, a possible ban on VPNs affects way bigger group of business and adult users than the number of tech savvy kids.
Where should the line be drawn? How much rights should everyone have to give up so that little techie Billy can’t hack his way to see some titties?
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in reply to shalafi • • •Netherlands is part of the Nine eyes. They know exactly what your activities are.
Whether they choose to chase you down is a different issue.
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in reply to kemsat • • •I don't think it's that centralized. Just some elite somewhere pushes through what elites everywhere would want, and they try to do the same around it.
Like spread of a disease.
I think the way to fight it is similar. Unions, customer associations, parties (not for election, but for having as many people as possible for mutual aid and actions ; it might even be counterproductive to get into government, since that breeds expectations which are not delivered upon, which hurts the party ; better to do volunteer projects without using state power as much as possible).
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in reply to rottingleaf • • •katy ✨
in reply to themachinestops • • •apparently having a functioning brain isn't a requirement of being an mp
but of course we knew that when she did this in 2019:
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in reply to themachinestops • • •This ends with just another war on encryption.
When encryption is legal, they can't know what is going on between two points. They going to make is so we can only have encryption to nodes they trust?
It is dangerously technologically illiterate to wage war on encryption.
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in reply to DacoTaco • • •Easy enough to do when it's mega corps. They don't really care about anything but money. If everyone had self hosted services with e2e, be far harder. Encryption is everywhere now.
So they will go after the end points. Which again, is a battle they can't win. All very Cory Doctorow's "Unauthorized Bread".
If you care about this stuff:
UK: action.openrightsgroup.org/mak…
US: eff.org/pages/donate-eff
EU: my.fsfe.org/donate
There will be others too, those are just in my head's cache.
Some how we need to get governments to listen to us serfs instead mega corps and authoritarian police/spooks.
The world they want is not only terrible for digital and political freedom, but competition, thus functioning markets. It's terrible for making developers and makers instead of dumb consumers, which in turn, is terrible for technology and progress.
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in reply to MehBlah • • •I mean anyone can rent a server in Europe and install OpenVPN themselves. Hell, it doesn't even need to open OpenVPN, Wireguard works just as well and is basically undetectable.
Eat shit, UK government, for real. Idiots think that by speaking the same language as US fascists they can have similarly dumb ideas.
jabjoe
in reply to Derpgon • • •To be honest, I've found WireGuard's performance is harmed more by replay attacks than OpenVPN. Least that is what I put it down to when I tried them both from a VPN provider that offered both.
Edit: missed the a in replay.
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in reply to jabjoe • • •Personally I've found Wireguard performance to be significantly better, especially on spotty mobile Internet
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in reply to xthexder • • •Ah, I see it. Sorry. Corrected.
It's not really an issue with OpenVPN as it seams to cope. It's the only time I use OpenVPN instead of WireGuard.
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in reply to jabjoe • • •Protocol & Cryptography - WireGuard
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in reply to Derpgon • • •tal
in reply to MehBlah • • •I've certainly happily used SSH tunnels --- on Linux it's great in that it's readily available wherever you already have OpenSSH installed --- but one downside of OpenSSH as a general-purpose tool for tunneling is that it is intrinsically TCP and thus forces packet ordering across multiple tunneled connections, which may not be necessary for whatever you're doing and can have performance impact. Part of the reason mosh exists is to deal with that (not for the SSH-as-a-tunneling-protocol case, but rather for the "SSH-as-a-remote-shell" case).
Wireguard is UDP, and OpenVPN can use either TCP or UDP, depending upon how it's configured.
If we were going to move the world to a single "tunneling" protocol, SSH wouldn't be my first choice, even though it's awfully handy as a quick-and-dirty way to tunnel data.
Mosh: the mobile shell
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in reply to tal • • •I used putty for tunnels on windows machines. As for mosh I forgot it exist. I use wireguard now. But if they ban VPN it will be harder for them to prove the SSH is being used for the purpose evading their stupid law. The high bandwidth usage could be a lot of things... right?
While in the hospital ten years ago I did get a visit from the IT dept. They didn't have any qos on ssh and I was moving a lot of data through it. They just asked me to limit my high usage to late night.
tal
in reply to MehBlah • • •Fair enough, and come to think of it, I think I have too. Just was pointing out that not all SSH implementations have tunnelling functionality.
Yeah, that's true.
WhyJiffie
in reply to Derpgon • • •Derpgon
in reply to WhyJiffie • • •WhyJiffie
in reply to Derpgon • • •WhyJiffie
in reply to Derpgon • • •update: I think not only the handshake packets contain a recognizable pattern. look at "Subsequent Messages: Exchange of Data Packets"
wireguard.com/protocol/
especially if the receiver/sender_index and the counter are what I think they are.
also have a look at this page: wireguard.com/known-limitation…
Protocol & Cryptography - WireGuard
www.wireguard.comUltraGiGaGigantic
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in reply to PumpkinSkink • • •Farage: Gets elected.
Everyone: At least you'll abolish the OSA!
Farage: Nah, I said that because it would make me popular. Amma use the OSA to ban things I consider "woke".
Darleys_Brew
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in reply to JustTheWind • • •en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social…
national reputation system being developed by the Chinese government
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Uriel238 [all pronouns]
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in reply to themachinestops • • •(NOTE: Any links to politician tweets in this comment are from Nitter mirrors, not direct links to Elon Musk's nazi bar.)
The Technology Secretary, Peter Kyle, pretty much called Nigel Farage a paedophile in a news network interview earlier today because he opposed the Online Safety Act, by saying he's on the side of sex offenders like Jimmy Savile.
He then went to Twitter and doubled-down on this stance:
This of course generated a lot of fury among the site's users.
For context, the Online Safety Act has been used to censor and age-gate anything and everything deemed "illegal content" under Ofcom guidelines. Any social media platforms must comply, else risk getting fined up to 10% of your annual global revenue. This is so broadly worded that it includes anything related to illegal immigration and people-smuggling (literally quoted in the GOV.UK page I linked.)
Twitter had genuinely been forced to censor all coverage around anti-asylum seeker protests behind age verification requirements, which has riled up a lot of right-wing politicians here. The reason for these protests is that the previous (Conservative) government had been paying exorbitant amounts of money to house asylum seekers in hotels, effectively lining the pockets of hotel chain executives - all while we deal with a massive housing and cost of living crisis.
This was meant to be a measure to give asylum seekers temporary accommodation which was put in place at the start of COVID, but has been government policy since 2020 with no end in sight.
Labour have also done jack-shit to resolve our skyrocketed (legal) immigration levels since they got into power, except for scrapping the Rwanda Deal which would have deported any illegal migrants to a third country for processing (which as the name obviously suggests, is the East African state of Rwanda.)
Zia Yusuf (head of Reform's DOGE division, yes they're ripping off Trump and Elon Musk) had this to say about the OSA on Twitter:
Labour have fucked up so catastrophically hard with how they've handled this legislation, that they've straight-up generated bipartisan sympathy for the leaders of a right-wing populist party - who are the only political force that have vowed to repeal the legislation because it is being used for mass surveillance and censorship.
Also, if you're thinking of voting Reform UK in 2029 (and it has honestly crossed my mind because age verification checks are a major sticking point for me), then you should take the pledges from Nigel Farage and Zia Yusuf with a grain of salt. Richard Tice (the party's deputy leader) openly tweeted support for pushing through mandatory ID checks on social media four years ago.
If Labour don't get rid of Keir Starmer, do a full cabinet reshuffle and reverse course, we are going to see a Reform landslide in the next election...
Online Safety Act: explainer
Department for Science, Innovation and Technology (GOV.UK)Bubbey
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in reply to arc99 • • •Uriel238 [all pronouns]
in reply to arc99 • • •The new Christian nationalist orders are not so patient. Even Charles X of France rolled back rights too speedily, sparking public outcry resulting in Parisian haircuts. (a bit off the top 🪟🔪)
SCOTUS used to be sneakier, carving out sections of fourth- and fifth-amendment protections, but since Dobbs the Federalist Society Six have tossed subtlety and reason to the wind and now adjudicate away rights based on vibe and conservative rhetoric grievance.
Hopefully the US and UK both will recognize why the French public was swift to act when manarchists took shears to the Napoleonic Code.
obvs
in reply to Uriel238 [all pronouns] • • •DefederateLemmyMl
in reply to arc99 • • •The problem is that content filters don't work all that well in the age of https everywhere. I mean, you can block the pornhub.com domain, that's fairly straightforward ... but what about reddit.com which has porn content but also legitimately non-porn content. Or closer to home: any lemmy instance.
I think it would be better if politicians stopped pearl clutching and realized that porn perhaps isn't the worst problem in the world. Tiktok and influencer brainrot, incel and manosphere stuff, rage baiting social media, etc. are all much worse things for the psyche of young people, and they're doing exactly jack shit about that.
ErmahgherdDavid
in reply to DefederateLemmyMl • • •dogs0n
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in reply to themachinestops • • •Uriel238 [all pronouns]
in reply to febra • • •Every society has its pathway there. TERFs are one of the last milestones.
GB has really wanted to go fascist autocratic since Germany looked over in the 1920s and saw a like minded kin.
BeardedGingerWonder
in reply to Uriel238 [all pronouns] • • •Frenchfryenjoyer (she/her)
in reply to febra • • •MangioneDontMiss
in reply to Frenchfryenjoyer (she/her) • • •some_guy
in reply to themachinestops • • •Enterprises will love that. A perfect excuse to end wfh. However, this will cripple business travelers. I'm sure there'll be some exception for corporations where they can exercise maximum control over their employees while still being allowed to generate capital.
Hey UK: suck it.
atticus88th
in reply to some_guy • • •gaiussabinus
in reply to atticus88th • • •Mr_Dr_Oink
in reply to gaiussabinus • • •Mr_Dr_Oink
in reply to some_guy • • •They couldn't switch off VPNs for businesses. I work in a hospital and we use VPNs to create secure tunnels to other third party health care companies as well as NHS adjacent health services amongst other things. This is to protect patient sensitive data amongst other things. This would cripple our service and go against NHS england and government requirements for the secure transfer and sharing of data.
This would have to be public VPNs only. Despite the fact that it would be complete bullshit either way.
muusemuuse
in reply to Mr_Dr_Oink • • •WhyJiffie
in reply to muusemuuse • • •muusemuuse
in reply to WhyJiffie • • •Aceticon
in reply to WhyJiffie • • •Unless things have changed massively in the UK in the last 5 years or so, in my actual experience you don't unless you make a profit.
The yearly baseline costs of opening and operating a Limited company in the UK are pretty low (less than £100 if I remember it correctly).
UltraGiGaGigantic
in reply to Mr_Dr_Oink • • •Its 2025, we no longer need such silly things. Don't worry, its for the greater good.
badbytes
in reply to themachinestops • • •ReiRose
in reply to themachinestops • • •UnderpantsWeevil
in reply to ReiRose • • •You're literally being Jimmy Salvile right now
~ Guy who posed for photo ops with Salvile twenty years ago
muusemuuse
in reply to themachinestops • • •If they outlaw VPNs then all internet-connected businesses will flee and everyone will just move to the dark net. Then you’ve got a whole other problem.
These ancient tyrants are in over their heads.
LinyosT
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in reply to Pacattack57 • • •VPNs are one of the core security measures of all large companies.
VPNs aren't just a "hide your IP" tool, they're a way of giving someone access to an organisation's internal network. Sensitive servers such as databases, wikis, scheduling tools etc don't have publicly exposed IPs, they only have connections that are accessible from inside that VPN. See also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_…
in information security, the placing of multiple layers of security controls throughout an IT system to provide redundancy in the event a security control fails
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Blemgo
in reply to skisnow • • •Wooki
in reply to themachinestops • • •"Safety" meanwhile these same mp's can't budget can't run critical public services like bloody hospitals.
But don't worry, your thoughts and activity are policed.
Democratic failure to prioritise and run a country at its finest on display for the world to see. The waste is astounding.
dubyakay
in reply to Wooki • • •Frenchfryenjoyer (she/her)
in reply to Wooki • • •MangioneDontMiss
in reply to Wooki • • •tal
in reply to themachinestops • • •When I was a kid, Reddit and general public Internet access weren't things, but I sure managed to get my hands on pornography. I'm pretty confident that even entirely killing Internet access isn't going to stop kids who want to get ahold of porn from getting ahold of it.
ThePrivacyPolicy
in reply to tal • • •Frenchfryenjoyer (she/her)
in reply to themachinestops • • •They can come and pry TOR from my cold dead hands lmfao
this law can eat shit. i ain't gonna dox myself and feed my personal info to companies. maybe they should take this as a hint that most people care about their privacy
if you don't want kids seeing NSFW stuff be an actual parent and don't raise your kids on the internet??
Aussiemandeus
in reply to Frenchfryenjoyer (she/her) • • •Yeah I'm Australia we have just decided to ban all social media for people under 16, i think it's great honestly because screw from insta etc but I don't think it's the government ls job to prevent kids from using social media.
I really think it's a way to force adults to register their id to accounts not about protecting kids.
Parents should monitor what their kids are doing not the government
magickrock
in reply to Aussiemandeus • • •I agree that it should primarily be a parents responsibility to keep kids off social media. But the big problem with social media is that a large proportion of young children don't want to be on social media and recognise the detrimental impact it has on them, but the fear of missing out or being excluded is what keeps them on it. it then becomes a collective action problem, to get them off it you need to get a lot of their peers off it as well. There are movements where groups of parents try to do this, but reaching the critical mass necessary to do it is difficult.
Hopefully the ban keeps a large number off to reduce the pressure on kids to be on it and at the same time the parents can do their bit as well.
Boomer Humor Doomergod
in reply to Aussiemandeus • • •While I agree wholeheartedly with this, it's often not that easy.
Back in the days of 28.8 modems my parents found my little bro's downloaded porn stash. It was in a Zip disk in his underwear drawer. They then locked down both of our AOL accounts so we couldn't see that stuff.
I thought this was bullshit because I kept my Zip disk full of porn next to all the other ones and labeled it "Homework." Why should I get punished if I didn't get caught?
So I downloaded a keylogger, stole my dad's password, and unlocked my account and continued to download porn.
However, I don't think government regulation would have worked in my case.
MangioneDontMiss
in reply to themachinestops • • •MangioneDontMiss
in reply to themachinestops • • •DeathByBigSad
in reply to themachinestops • • •Someone should start a bussiness near the border of Republic of Ireland and get two antennas pointed at each other across the border, with the RoI side having connected to the free internet, then the UK Northern Ireland side connected to the Intra-net. You pay a "Club Membership Fee" to get access to the proxy network.
Its not a VPN, its a Nerd Techie Club, just with a free proxy service as part of the club membership 😉
ThePrivacyPolicy
in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
in reply to ThePrivacyPolicy • • •Illecors
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in reply to Tollana1234567 • • •Proxy is a step below VPN since it doesn't tunnelise data.
Anti-detect browsers. Do you mean Tor? It's a decent solution, albeit the slowest one.
What people use to bypass the great Chinese firewall is VPN with VLESS protocols. Unlike usual VPN protocols, those are specifically made to bypass censorship.
possumparty
in reply to themachinestops • • •I'm looking forward to the next UK election where the headline will be: Labour has lost the election in a landslide that left them with dozens of votes total
Every single person who didn't think this would affect them who watches porn in any capacity is very likely highly pissed off and will continue to be for as long as this draconian bullshit is enabled.
falynns
in reply to themachinestops • • •null_dot
in reply to themachinestops • • •I love watching politicians try to understand the internet.
VPNs have loads of vanilla use cases.
It would be infinitely more productive to regulate the predatory practices of stream providers and reduce the incentive for piracy.
Ronno
in reply to themachinestops • • •notarobot
in reply to Ronno • • •DragonTypeWyvern
in reply to themachinestops • • •Reddit already tried to block VPN users.
Expect the corpos to bend the knee.
NigelFrobisher
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in reply to themachinestops • • •That's the only source? A far-right conspiracy website?
Rob T Firefly
in reply to themachinestops • • •The linked story has been updated. The headline now reads:
And the story begins:
Phoenixz
in reply to Rob T Firefly • • •This shows that this bill has shit all to do with the protection of children, it's just again the over reach of religious zealots
Can we please ban religions instead? This would ACTUALLY protect minors and just in general make the world such a better and more beautiful place.
Convert churches into museums for art and displaying the horrors of religion
HalfSalesman
in reply to Phoenixz • • •Not all of them have pretty art. Just turn the boring looking ones into secular club houses or even just regular housing.
Bubbey
in reply to themachinestops • • •brucethemoose
in reply to Bubbey • • •imouto
in reply to Bubbey • • •Most conventional VPNs, e.g. OpenVPN, WireGuard, AnyConnect, PPTP/L2TP, IKEv2/IPsec, etc., actually don't work in China. Technology-wise GFW is quite sophisticated and conventional VPNs are not designed for censorship circumvention anyway.
You'll have to use things like Shadowsocks or V2Ray, which is out of the reach of most people.
Phoenixz
in reply to themachinestops • • •Your law is the difficult problem you daft cunt
WaffleWarrior
in reply to themachinestops • • •inkrifle
in reply to themachinestops • • •undergroundoverground
in reply to inkrifle • • •This makes me feel like they were in a bind here. The so called "online safety bill" was a tory concoction that took years to pass through the courts because of how invasive it is and how anyone could easily bypass it.
If labour want to stop it, they'll be accused of not wanting to protect children.
Whatever anyone thinks of labour, I'd ask people to ask themselves, if you were in that position, what option do they have other than to let it play out as the spectacular failure it was always going to be and making sure everyone knows who's fault that was afterwards?
HertzDentalBar
in reply to inkrifle • • •ZeroOne
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