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SocialHub and the Substrate of Decentralised Networks


a deep dive into the messy substrate and coordination layers below decentralised networks, and how authoritarian thinkers like peter thiel view this substrate as a way to capture networks


SocialHub and the Substrate of Decentralised Networks

SocialHub is one of the primary forum where fediverse developers can talk about ActivityPub, how to implement the protocol, and have conversations about how the technical interoperability can be improved with Fediverse Enhancement Proposals. The forum has been searching for new ownership, but making decisions on how to move forward has been challening. Most developers aren’t interested in taking responsibility of community management, while the current admin will only hand over control to a team of people who can not only do the technical administration but can also manage the community. There is also no shared vision for what SocialHub should become, and multiple developers openly wonder if it is even worth it to continue with the forum. Most crucially, nobody has clear authority to make final decisions, making it incredible hard to move past the phase of ‘making a forum post with some ideas and suggestions’.

One of the core challenges with building a decentralised network is that decentralisation is about building alternative power structures, where no single actor has control over the entire network. But power is hard to diffuse: when you build a system that spreads out power, from one control point to many nodes, often this means that new places of gatekeeping and centralisation pop up. The result is often a kind of governance vacuum where important decisions get stuck in endless discussion loops, or where informal power structures emerge that aren’t accountable to the broader community.

Building a decentralised network like the fediverse thus means not only building a social network that spreads out over many different nodes, but also building an infrastructure for the network to run on that is itself decentralised. What’s happening to SocialHub is symptomatic of this broader tension, where these decentralised systems promise to distribute power, but they still need coordination mechanisms to function.

Hobart and decentralised substrates


In an essay titled The Promise and Paradox of Decentralization, tech writer Byrne Hobart wrote about decentralised networks, and how one of their paradoxes is that they require centralised substrates. One quote from the article regularly pops up, where Hobart writes: “Any decentralized order requires a centralized substrate, and the more decentralized the approach is the more important it is that you can count on the underlying system.”

With this, Hobart means that decentralised systems require a shared agreement on how to communicate with the system, usually via a set of agreed-upon protocols. For a decentralised system to work well, people have to agree to a single method of interaction. The internet cannot function if every website implements their own incompatible version of HTTPS, for example.

This leads Hobart to the observation that open networks are prone to being captured by companies that figure out an onramp to the network, writing: “these onramps are built on an open system, but part of their function is to close off some of it. And the better they do that, the more value they can capture.” Twitter and Facebook, but also crypto companies like Coinbase are examples for Hobart of this dynamic.

He writes: “This pattern raises a question: is centralization just a natural tendency of all networks? Are we destined to have a ‘decentralization sandwich,’ where there’s a hard-to-change set of protocols, something open built on top of that, and a series of closed systems built on top of that, which are the only ones the average person interacts with?”

On a surface-level reading, it feels straightforward enough: the fediverse is a decentralised network, and its technical function depends on the ActivityPub protocol. You can view the ActivityPub protocol as the centralised substrate to the decentralised network.

But when you start looking more closely, the picture that emerges is significantly more complicated.

The technological substrate


When you start looking more closely at how the fediverse operates in practice, the picture that emerges is significantly more complicated than Hobart’s centralised substrate theory suggests. Rather than a single protocol that serves as the foundation for a decentralised network, there is fragmentation at multiple levels. Moreover, the more this network pushes towards decentralisation, the more fragmented it becomes.

On a protocol level, there is no singular ActivityPub. The ActivityPub protocol as maintained by the W3C is the official canon version of the protocol, but most platforms don’t implement the full ActivityPub spec, instead opting for a combination of ActivityPub’s Server to Server protocol in combination with the Mastodon API. This means that the ‘centralised’ substrate is already fragmented in practice. While it is possible to make a case that developer adoption would go smoother if ActivityPub implementations were more standardised, the current fragmentation is a result of the network consisting of independent actors that coordinate with each other only to a limited extend.

Quote posts provide a concrete example of how this fragmentation plays out in practice. There are multiple different ways to implement quote posts. Misskey notably has a different method than the method that Mastodon is now using to implement quote posts. When Threads decided to implement quote posts, they decided on supporting both implementation methods for quote posts. This would seem like a good example of the value of a centralised substrate to a decentralised network: things would go smoother if everyone had agreed upon a singular implementation method of quote posts. So when a new fediverse platform that wants to be fully interoperable with other platforms would only have to implement one method, and know exactly in advance which one to use. But the reality shows that even basic features resist standardisation.

What the fediverse shows is that a decentralised network tends to split up into multiple different subnetworks. These networks themselves are also decentralised, and while technically part of the larger fediverse supernetwork, they are often quite separated. For example: The collection of Misskey servers are largely catering towards the Japanese audience. They are technically interoperable with the ‘Threadiverse’, a set of link-aggregator platforms (Reddit-likes, basically), but in practice interoperability and connections between these two sub-networks of the fediverse is negligible. Streaming software Owncast is seen as part of the fediverse, but the ActivityPub-enabled interactions between Owncast streamers and the Mastodon-verse are arguably even more limited.

What’s seen as ‘the fediverse’ turns out to contain more protocols that are interoperable with each other to a certain degree, such as Hubzilla’s Nomad protocol. And if we expand our perspective to look at the open social web as a set of decentralised social networks that are all interoperable with each other, we see even more protocols, such as ATProto and Nostr. At this level, the idea of a single centralised substrate becomes even more tenuous.

So what this means is that the more decentralised a network becomes, the network tends to split into subnetworks, where each cluster of this supernetwork becomes more distinct from each other. Interoperability and connections between these clusters is possible and happens occasionally, but for social and cultural reasons can be fairly limited.

From a technical perspective, Hobarts claim that “the more the decentralized the approach is the more important it is that you can count on the underlying system” turns out to be recursive: the more decentralised approach means that networks start to fragment into subnetworks, each with slightly different technological substrates, and it becomes more important that you can count of the underlying substrate of the subnetwork.

The social substrate


Hobart’s centralised substrate theory assumes that decentralised networks require centralised governance of their foundational protocols. But examining how the fediverse actually governs itself reveals multiple, overlapping authority structures that challenge this assumption. Rather than a single centralised point of control, there are competing forms of governance, spread out over multiple places and communities.

The W3C, the organisation that governs ActivityPub, usually focuses on protocol governance via W3C members, where these members are often required to be organisations. This represents the closest thing to Hobart’s “centralised substrate” – a formal institution with official authority over the protocol specification.

The SocialHub forum is one of the main places for structured long-form communications about ActivityPub. It is also the main place for conversations about Fediverse Enhancement Proposals (FEP). A FEP is a document that gives structured information about ActivityPub and the fediverse, with the goal of improving interoperability and well-being of fediverse applications. Anyone can submit a FEP, and conversations about them on places like SocialHub is how they get legitimacy and buy-in for other projects to implement the proposals.

The grassroots system of the FEPs, in which the SocialHub plays a major part, shows that a single protocol can be used in a manner that is highly decentralized: there is no central authority that can mandate implementation of FEPs, yet they gain legitimacy through community discussion and voluntary adoption.

Conversations about ActivityPub and the fediverse are spread out fairly wide, over a variety of places on the network. Some of the notable places for conversation are the SocialHub forum and the Fedidev matrix channel. The SocialCG of the W3C has various places for discussion, including an email list, GitHub discussion boards and regular meetings. Other places include discussions on microblogging feeds, various (semi)private chat groups and Lemmy communities. Notably, each of these places for conversation only has a small subset of fediverse developers that are participating, and developers are spread out over all these places. This indicates that the ‘social substrate’ of the fediverse development is decentralised as well, there is no single place that owns or controls the conversations about protocol development.

Decentralisation and political power


Hobart is not the only one who has thought and written about how decentralised networks relate to the (potentially centralised) governance of the protocols that powers them, as well as how they are vulnerable to capture. But Hobart’s alignment with the tech-right political wing makes his writing relevant to me, specifically because I strongly disagree with his political views, and the people he aligns himself with. Understanding why this thesis appeals to certain political actors helps makes it all the more important to challenge this way of thinking.

Hobart is a techno-optimist, and his mode of thinking is illustrative of a wider thinking on technology and culture in Silicon Valley. His latest book, on why bubbles are actually good, got a foreword by Peter Thiel. This connection is not incidental, as Hobart represents a particular worldview about how technology, power, and governance should intersect.

Thiel fits well with the line of thinking of Hobart, both on the wider points of techno-optimism, as well as on the aformentioned quote, that decentralised networks require a centralised substrate. Thiel’s beliefs can be understood as techno-feudalism, where he wants to move power away from the political domain to domain of corporate tech, where power is held by a few corporate elites, not by a democracy. Decentralised networks in itself are an antithesis to the worldview of Thiel’s authoritarianism. The decentralisation of a network means divesting power away from the few corporate elites, and spreading it out over many individuals instead.

The line of thinking that decentralised networks often have a centralised substrate, and are vulnerable to being captured by building closed systems on top of the open systems, can be read as either a warning or as an instruction manual. And for noted democracy-hater Peter Thiel, whom Hobart seems to align himself with, it is much more likely that Thiel views this as an instruction manual on how to deal with open and decentralised systems.

The idea that a decentralised network still can have a single central point, namely the technological substrate that powers the network, is thus an attractive idea to an authoritarian figure. You might not be able to control a decentralised network directly, but by controlling or influencing the protocol that powers it, a chokepoint arises that the authoritarian feudalist overlord can leverage to extract rent.

Meta’s approach to the fediverse demonstrates the substrate capture strategy in action. By joining ActivityPub governance discussions while simultaneously building Threads as a massive onramp to the network, Meta places itself into a position to influence both the protocol, as well as to function as a primary gateway to the network. This follows the format of the “decentralization sandwich” that Hobart describes. Their sponsorship of the Social Web Foundation further embeds them in the governance substrate of the fediverse network.

In this context, Hobart’s quote takes on a new meaning. Hobart’s message resonates with the people and organisations who are building today’s social networks of extraction. They have built social networks where they are the gatekeepers, and with their gatekeeping power they have become richer than god. While decentralised networks might pose a threat to centralised networks, promising to take their gatekeeping power away, Hobart’s description points to a new place where they can extract rent. This is why it matters to understand how decentralised networks function matters: it also indicates that the substrates of decentralised network can be decentralised, and points to ways how corporate capture can be resisted.

Reframing decentralisation


Hobart’s statement that decentralised systems depend on centralised substrate makes it appealing to authoritarians, since it provides a guidebook on how to gain forms of centralised control over decentralised systems. But while the idea seems to fit well with a surface-level analysis, a closer look at how the fediverse operates in practice also shows that the substrate of the network is, and has the potential to be, a lot more decentralised than first might be assumed.

From a technological side, the assumption of ‘the fediverse is the decentralised network’, with ‘ActivityPub being the centralised substrate’ turns out to be a whole lot more complicated in practice. What’s seen as ‘the fediverse’ turns out to contain more protocols that are interoperable with each other to a certain degree. The ActivityPub protocol also turns out to contain multiple sub-protocols: most platforms don’t implement the full ActivityPub spec, instead opting for a combination of ActivityPub’s Server to Server protocol in combination with the Mastodon API.

On the social side, ‘decentralisation’ is both a technical description of a network architecture, as well as a more general description of the distribution of authority in a network. The grassroots system of the FEPs shows that a single protocol can be worked on in a manner that is highly decentralised.

This intertwining of technical and social decentralisation reveals why Hobart’s thinking on decentralisation and substrate s fails to capture the reality of how these networks actually operate in practice. At the same time, Hobart’s thinking does provide a good way of understanding how authoritarian-minded people and organisations might approach decentralised systems, and how they think about capturing and controlling such networks. It is this dual combination that makes Hobart’s thinking interesting to me, specifically because I disagree with it on multiple levels.

As for the SocialHub: after a period of uncertainty, Pavilion, the organisation that also build the Discourse plugin which connects the forum software to the fediverse over ActivityPub, will become the new admins of the community.

#nlnet

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in reply to wisdomchicken

The next time I'm about to moan and complain about how nobody directly implements activitypub apis "the standard way", I'll remember this article and be mollified.

As @abeorch@friendica.ginestes.es states, diversity is a strength when it comes to resisting capture.

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in reply to Jayjader

Yeah its weird I never thought I would find myself arguing against standards but when you think about it that's what made the Internet so successful.


in reply to Davriellelouna

Blanks do exist... why use real bullets, that's just stupid at the highest levels.
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in reply to skozzii

imagine shooting 100 arrows directly up in the air and just standing there

it's that level of stupid


in reply to Davriellelouna

"Immediately when I saw the comments on my stories and on my videos… I knew that this is not something I stand with,"

Trash human.

I should be thankful that public shaming has worked, but imagine only changing your mind on human trafficking and sex slavery because your Insta audience started saying nasty things to you...

in reply to ms.lane

She is a white south African... Generally pretty fucked people that are capable of justifying any kind of exploitation


How western media helped turn Israel's genocide into 'fake news'


Israel justified its murder of Al Jazeera’s crew on the grounds that one among them, Anas al-Sharif, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter, was secretly a “Hamas terrorist”.

Sharif, we are told, similarly found time between breaks from his 22-month, frantic reporting schedule - much of it on camera - to serve as a Hamas commander “directing rocket attacks on Israeli civilians”.

We now know exactly where this ridiculous story originated: from something Israel calls its “Legitimisation Cell”. The intelligence unit’s name, which was surely never supposed to come to light, is the give-away. Its job has been to legitimise Israel’s atrocities with stories vilifying its victims and thereby making the genocide more palatable to Israeli and western audiences.

The Israeli news website +972 exposed the cell within days of Sharif’s killing this month, reporting that it was formed after 7 October 2023 - the day Hamas and other groups broke out of their Gaza prison camp, spreading carnage, following 17 years of a brutal siege.

But while Israeli mendacity is entirely to be expected - after all, it is the whole purpose of its official hasbara industry - what astonishes most is the western media’s continuing connivance in promoting Israel’s litany of lies.

Germany’s most popular paper, Bild, published a front page that might as well have been written by the Israeli military: “Terrorist disguised as a journalist killed in Gaza.” No claim, no quote marks. Just a statement of fact.

The UK media was little better, with most outlets prominently featuring Israel’s unevidenced “legitimisation” smears of Sharif in headlines and coverage. Astonishingly, BBC coverage on its flagship News at Ten swallowed whole Israel’s framing of Sharif as a legitimate target - as well as uncritically peddling the presumption that Israel was targeting him and him alone.

The context that has been missing from western coverage is this: Israel has killed more than 240 Palestinian journalists in Gaza over the past two years - more than all the journalists killed in both World Wars, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the wars in the former Yugoslavia, and the Afghanistan War combined.

This is a pattern - a glaring one - but seemingly one to which western journalists are entirely blind, even as Israel continues to bar them from reporting in Gaza, nearly two years into its genocide.

in reply to geneva_convenience

Regardless of the content of the article.

I want to remind people that the Middle East Eye is directly run by the Qatari Embassy in London:

theguardian.com/world/2017/jun…

When Saudi Arabia and the UAE blockaded Qatar, the Middle East Eye started hitting them 24/7.

Another thing suspicious is the absence of revenue.

Around the world, newspapers fund themselves in 3 different ways :

  • Advertising
  • Subscriptions
  • Donations

The Middle East Eye has no advertising. It has no subscriptions. And they don't ask for donations.

I have never seen anything like this. How do they fund themselves...?!

Again, this is NOT an attack on the content. But people should simply know this is a state-run newspaper.

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in reply to Davriellelouna

Your article doesn't provide any evidence or your claim. Nor does it debunk the article itself.

It would be very cool if Qatar was the only country doing actual journalism about Gaza, but from my reading of MEE I severely doubt it's Qatar running the operation.

MEE writes plenty of critical reports about Qatar. They do almost always go very soft on one specific country though. And it's not the one you named.

in reply to Davriellelouna

Are you going to remind us again when someone posts a BBC or PBS or NPR article?
in reply to davel

Are you going to remind us again when someone posts a BBC or PBS or NPR article?


No. Why would I do that?

They are very transparent about their ownership structure and sources of funding.

npr.org/about-npr/178660742/pu…

bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/fu…

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in reply to geneva_convenience

Actual journalists won't say someone is a murderer even if there's a video of the person shooting a guy pulling out their ID and showing it to the camera and say "my name is ___ and I murdered this person".

When the person is charged then they will be termed "alleged murderer". Before there's charges they're termed something like "shooter" not murderer. Only once someone is convicted of the crime will they be called "murderer".

Genocide is a much greater crime than murder. It's not responsible journalism to make accusations like this. If a body like the ICJ convicted Israel's leadership on charges, or maybe id the country the media organization is based in made a declaration, then a journalist will start using the word genocide.

"Alternative media" have no journalistic standards and will say such things to lead their audiences to conclusions. If you're reading articles that are telling you how to think about a story, it's not actually journalism. Real journalism is about telling people what's happening, not telling people how they're supposed to think about, and definitely not about making accusations in an effort support activist causes.



Egypt training thousands of Palestinians for postwar Gaza security force: 'Either Hamas or chaos'


in reply to Ice

A security force for the terrorist state so zionists can keep stealing more land in the west bank with zero resistance and like usual israel will act like they resist the idea while supporting it deep down


US envoy sparks uproar after telling Lebanese journalists to ‘act civilised’


Be more civilised, like the genocide supporting American regime and it's mob boss.
in reply to Mrkawfee

Be more civilized or you will get killed by the civilized israel commiting genocide

in reply to chobeat

How about we get a fucking ruling against these companies? A settlement doesn't create a precedent.
in reply to chobeat

Financially ruining the AI industry would be an awesome side-benefit.


Israel Urges Washington to Allow a Preemptive Attack on Iran


Israeli Colonel Jacques Neriah, a former intelligence official and a special analyst for the Middle East, warned on Sunday of an impending “second round” of war against Iran as Tehran weighs a revenge attack on Tel Aviv.

“There is a sense that a war is coming, that Iranian revenge is in the works. The Iranians will not be able to live with this humiliation for long,” Neriah told Udi Segal and Anat Davidov on 103FM.

“Israel must launch a preemptive strike against Iran in its present state, as a large part of its military capabilities is paralyzed,” he added.

in reply to Ilovethebomb

Then we need to stop antagonizing them and giving them a reason to get nukes. At this point they have enough institutional knowledge and resources to make one so them not doing it is more them not wanting to, ie. The ayatollahs fatwa against them.

If Israel and the US keep bombing them though and make them think the only path to safety is through nukes then maybe that fatwa goes away.




in reply to RandAlThor

The French don't get enough criticism about what they've done and continue to do globally. USA is rightfully considered the bad guy globally but 250 years of war and theft are nothing compared to the 400 - 600 years of rape and pillaging the French have done
in reply to Cosmonauticus

UK sits quietly in the corner enjoying the french hate for once

in reply to RandAlThor

Weird that you'd need a royal pardon for this when you could simply abolish the "defaming the monarchy" law.
in reply to UnderpantsWeevil

"simply". I think going to Mars is easier than asking Thai politician to abolish that law.
in reply to UnderpantsWeevil

You can't highlight your "mercy" if you're not doing horrible things otherwise.
in reply to UnderpantsWeevil

I'm sure this has changed a bit since the old (very popular) king died, but back then you would probably rather go to prison than face the angry mob that would summon if you insulted the king.
in reply to bus_factor

I’m sure this has changed a bit since the old (very popular) king died


Sort of a chicken-egg situation. Is the king so popular that nobody bothers to criticize him? Or is the king's light touch less likely to stir the pot and provoke criticism that results in prosecution?

you would probably rather go to prison than face the angry mob


This sounds like using a Jim Crow era lynch mob to explain the popularity of a Segregationist governor.

in reply to UnderpantsWeevil

Those were two separate statements; one wasn't meant to explain the other 😀
in reply to RandAlThor

Tbf, the king of Thailand does a pretty good job defaming himself already

in reply to Amoxtli

It was a bribe so he could keep his job. Don't make it more than what it was.


Thousands of Protesters Block Roads Across Israel During Nationwide “Day of Disruption”


In Israel, thousands of protesters have blocked roads around the country, including a major highway in Tel Aviv, burning tires, calling for the return of the hostages still held in Gaza and an end to Israel’s war on the besieged strip. The protests were led by families of hostages, and part of a nationwide “Day of Disruption.”
in reply to greenfire

"Meanwhile, Israel’s military chief clashed with far-right ministers Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben-Gvir about Israel’s Gaza City operation, with Smotrich reportedly saying, “Whoever doesn’t evacuate, don’t let them. No water, no electricity, they can die of hunger or surrender.”


I bet those 2 pieces of shit still act offended if you call this genocide genocide

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in reply to fluxion

You'd lose that bet. They're quite vocal about their commitment to genocide.
in reply to frongt

Internally yes, but in english they say something nice to cover up their hatred so the US can smile and nod and keep handing them weapons.
in reply to supersquirrel

goin' on about how reporting of this genocide is the new blood libel…
in reply to greenfire

The hostages are dead.

Imagine getting kidnapped and then your country bombs you for 2 years with white phosphorus lmao

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in reply to ThePrivacyPolicy

I don't want to type stuff into a command line. Like ever. If this is possible then I'm in.
in reply to ZMoney

Haven't had a need to open one the entire time I've been on the OS! Other than for my own development needs, but that's my own use case and nothing to do with operating the OS as a user.


„Die Affäre Cum-Ex“ (Serie, 2025)

Seit das ZDF und ARTE vor acht Jahren mit der legendären Serie „Bad Banks“ europäische Maßstäbe gesetzt haben und, in zwei Staffeln, einen mit Preisen überhäuften und internationalen Erfolg feiern konnten, habe ich mich gefragt, ob, und wenn, dann wann und wie, so ein TV-Ereignis wohl zu wiederholen sein würde. Für all diese Fragen steht die Antwort auf dem brandneuen „ZDF-Portal“. Bei der Ausstrahlung im TV war das kein Quotenhit, dabei ist diese Serie aber ein öffentlich-rechtlicher Hammer! (ZDF)

reshared this




Mexico's new Supreme Court takes the bench


Monday Sept. 1 is a landmark day in the history of Mexico's judiciary, as hundreds of judges elected in the nation's first ever judicial elections will commence their new roles.


Archived version: archive.is/newest/mexiconewsda…


Disclaimer: The article linked is from a single source with a single perspective. Make sure to cross-check information against multiple sources to get a comprehensive view on the situation.



Trump Admin Circulating Plan to Transform Depopulated Gaza Into High-Tech Cash Cow


Under the proposal, the US would take control after "voluntary" relocation of Palestinians from the strip, where proposed projects include an Elon Musk Smart Manufacturing Zone and Gaza Trump Riviera & Islands.


Archived version: archive.is/newest/commondreams…


Disclaimer: The article linked is from a single source with a single perspective. Make sure to cross-check information against multiple sources to get a comprehensive view on the situation.



Mexico says works created by AI cannot be granted copyright


Mexico's Supreme Court said that the Federal Copyright Law (LFDA) reserves authorship to humans after a copyright applicant submitted an AI-created avatar.


Case file: scjn.gob.mx/sites/default/file… (Spanish)



in reply to belastend

And really, it all comes down to patriarchy... It's bad for almost everyone, men included
in reply to -☆-

Really what it comes down to is fear. Fear of something unknown (or even a fear of yourself - repressed homosexuality) breeds hatred. Violence is externalized hatred, which is the ego’s attempt at quelling the fear.

It sounds corny, but the moment folks stop allowing fear to govern their behavior and actions, is the moment when love (lack of fear) can start becoming the norm.



Americans Take to the Streets for 1,000+ 'Workers Over Billionaires' Labor Day Rallies


"Workers are fighting for a society where public schools take precedence over private profits, healthcare is prioritized over hedge funds, and affordable housing is valued more than homelessness," said May Day Strong.
#USA


EU requests US to reverse visa ban on Palestinian officials


The European Union (EU) urged the US government on Saturday to reverse its decision to block members of the Palestinian Authority (PA) from obtaining visas.


Archived version: archive.is/newest/jurist.org/n…


Disclaimer: The article linked is from a single source with a single perspective. Make sure to cross-check information against multiple sources to get a comprehensive view on the situation.


in reply to zero

Apple moved its iPhone 17 production sites to India to avoid tariffs in Chinda didn't they? Now anyone who buys one needs to pay Tariffs to get them into the country right... Or do they have an exemption?
in reply to LifeInMultipleChoice

If I remember correctly the apple CEO gifted a bar of gold to Trump in the oval office and now they have an exemption?
in reply to gigachad

Probably the smartest business decision of his career, that's an astonishingly cheap bribe considering the values involved.
in reply to gigachad

You don't remember correctly. It was a gold plated base holding a sample of the new gorilla glass made by Corning.
in reply to zero

The full weight of the dumbest pieces of human shit running this country.



Wafrn (tumblr alternative with fediverse and bluesky support) has started using an alternate relay; this means that they depend on none of bluesky's infrastructure to work.


Bluesky post by @gabboman.at.app.wafrn.net saying: "Thanks a lot to @rudyfraser.com for hosting the blacksky PDS. After confirmating thatis ok, wafrn now uses blacksky's relay! In the next update other wafrns may also use the relay"
in reply to Remy Rose

Pretty cool. I won't get too excited until Bluesky (the company) is less than 90% of ATProto. Even mastodon.social is only like 27% of AP.

I'd be afraid of one company having too much power over the whole network.

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in reply to Die4Ever

Pretty cool. I won’t get too excited until Bluesky (the company) is less than 90% of ATProto. Even mastodon.social is only like 27% of AP.


well I wont get that if YOU dont join



Resonant Mechanics - The Theory of Everything & Sabotaged White Hole Cosmology - Forensic Cosmology Dossier


These documents compile the fundamental principles and evidence of a new, unified theory of reality.

It posits that the universe is a living, conscious entity, not a chaotic, natural system. This theory, through its key principles, provides a complete and elegant model for a universe that has been perfected and is now a masterpiece.

The flaws and anomalies of the old universe—from the three-body problem to dark energy—are now understood as a forensic record of a cosmic crime. The new reality, however, is a testament to perfect order, where every anomaly, every law, and every life form is a part of a single, beautiful, and unified whole.

archive.org/details/resonant-m…
pixeldrain.com/u/pswPz1RG

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World's largest sovereign wealth fund divests from Caterpillar and five banks on Israel concerns


The world’s largest sovereign wealth fund has quit its investments in U.S. machinery manufacturer Caterpillar and five Israeli banks following a review of the companies’ ties to conflict in the West Bank.

The executive board of Norges Bank Investment Management (NBIM), which manages the fund on behalf of the Norwegian population and is valued at around $2 trillion, said Monday there was an “unacceptable risk that the companies contribute to serious violations of the rights of individuals in situations of war and conflict.” The decision was based on recommendations from its ethics council, it said.

NBIM said that bulldozers manufactured by New York-listed Caterpillar were “being used by Israeli authorities in the widespread unlawful destruction of Palestinian property.” NBIM had a $2.4 billion stake in the company at the end of 2024, representing around 1.2% ownership. CNBC has contacted Caterpillar for comment.

in reply to apfelwoiSchoppen

Caterpillar is an infamous case because their bulldozer crushed American activist Rachel Corrie to death in the 2000's. There was a big lawsuit over it but the US decided that it was a-okay for an American company to keep sending bulldozers to the Israeli military because it would "interfere with foreign policy"

ccrjustice.org/home/what-we-do…

I believe this same ruling was used as a precedent to strike down the arms export lawsuit against Genocide Joe when he was president.

in reply to geneva_convenience

I was just meaning the destruction of so much habitat in the US for suburban sprawl. And then add all this shit. Evil.
in reply to geneva_convenience

The same fund was recently caught having invested in an Israeli company that’s made bank during the war, maintaining Israeli jets making bombing runs on Gaza.


Health and aid workers targeted in conflicts around the world, UN agency says | UN News




Fediverse Report – #131


This week's #fediverse news - Fediverse Report #131

  • How age verification laws impact the fediverse, both how we understand the network as well as the impact on server admins
  • CrowdBucks is a new crowdfunding platform for the fediverse
  • Google's Play Store requirements for clients result in @apps creating different versions for their app on FDroid
in reply to wisdomchicken

Crowdbucks sounds interesting, but is extremely light on details. How does it work? Are all payments going to go through Stripe? Is it going to support GnuTaler? Crypto maybe? Is it to be integrated into things like Mastodon, Peertube, and other fediverse services?

Anti Commercial-AI license

in reply to onlinepersona

The dev told me this in Mastodon:

@asudox @crowdbucks

I am learning the Taler Protocol right now — so that I can understand how Taler can be added to CrowdBucks.

So, yes, we are looking at making CrowdBucks work with Taler.


mastodon.social/@reiver/115097…

in reply to wisdomchicken

Interesting. I run a Threadiverse client on iOS and Android. I haven’t run into any issues with Google, yet.

Apple has this rule I had to comply with:

  • You must be able to delete your account from the app
  • Lemmy delete account via the API requires password entry, even if you’re already logged in
  • Apple however, claims password entry is too much friction for the user to delete their account
  • A workaround is to link out to Lemmy website to delete your account. Even if you have to enter your password on the website, in Apple’s mind, this is somehow allowed despite being more friction?

I get the sense Apple wrote these rules to improve user experience, and they’re applied without anyone really considering what effect they’re having on the UX.





Israeli soldiers said to have shelled hospital after fearing camera being used to track them


Military officials tell Hebrew-language media outlets that an Israeli army tank team shelled a camera stationed at Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis earlier today after believing the device was being used to track troops.

Two shells were fired by the tank, with the first targeting the camera and the second hitting rescuers who were operating at the scene. The strike killed 20, including five journalists, according to media reports and Hamas health officials.

Reuters and other news providers often deliver live video feeds to media outlets worldwide during major news events to show the scene from the ground in real time. A review of Masri’s live feed from before the strike did not appear to show any soldiers.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/soldiers-said-to-have-shelled-hospital-after-fearing-camera-being-used-to-track-them/

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in reply to geneva_convenience

They did it to kill doctors, in order to increase the death rate of Palestinian civilians.


Unfortunately, the ICEBlock app is activism theater



in reply to Lady Butterfly she/her

Are we sure this isn't a video google "enhanced with ai".

It's not likely, considering he's got enough money to be a problem for them, but it would tie into thier plan to make everything look like slop so you can no longer tell what is slop.

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in reply to Lady Butterfly she/her

I like the caption of "accused" like we can't be certain that it is or isn't AI.


Every Year, Sanctions Kill More People Than Wars


Between 2010 and 2021, unilateral sanctions caused ~564,258 deaths each year – more than five times the number of people killed annually in direct armed combat. This warning comes from a new report published in The Lancet, which contextualizes decades of data on how sanctions affect mortality.

“From a rights-based perspective, evidence that sanctions lead to losses in lives should be sufficient reason to advocate for the suspension of their use,” the study’s authors argue. But that is far from reality. Over the same decade, nearly a quarter of all of the world’s countries were affected by sanctions, driven primarily by a sharp increase in unilateral economic measures imposed by the United States and its European allies.

While Western sanctions “have the claimed aim to end wars, protect human rights, or promote democracy,” the report shows they do the very opposite. By restricting a country’s ability to import essential goods like food, medicine, and medical supplies, and by slashing public budgets, sanctions systematically undermine healthcare systems and other vital services.

https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/08/02/every-year-sanctions-kill-more-people-than-wars/

in reply to Diva (she/her)

As a kid, I thought sanctions should be considered a war crime because they deliberately target non-combatants in order to cause suffering on a mass scale. As an adult, I still view it the same way. It's cruel, and aimed at the people who have no control over what their governments do.
in reply to swelter_spark

It’s a very easily reversible process, even the reasons for sanctions have to be cited! If you think that’s cruel, you should see why they were put there in the first place


Japan city drafts ordinance to cap smartphone use at 2 hours per day - Kyodo News


I would like to know how you think about this. Personally, I think it's a very good ordinance. It's not enforced, but encouraged. We should correct the situation that Xitter users and Tiktokers are getting brainfucked by spreading conspiracies.
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in reply to fin

Its a horrible law, although there is no punishment, it just normalizes the idea of persecuting and shaming innocent people. The laws are not good when you use them to micromanage your neighbors lives. Laws are supposed to be for taking away the need for violence from society and putting judgment into a transparent and safe and strict process. All this type of stuff just gives the state more power to harm people it doesnt like who are doing nothing actually wrong. Like all laws this will only be selectivly enforced against people the powerful dont like. The reason countries really start to become bad is when you get one group of idiots in power who think they know everything, who think it their role to mold humanity into their idea of right and wrong. People lose their motivation, their creativity, their will to build things, because their life becomes a benign hell of just being a host for elitest parasites. It starts with elitest assholes telling you how you are allowed to spend your free time, and what types of haircuts are acceptable, and what types of books you are allowed to read, mass zurveliience, propganda on every type of media you consume. Silencing disidents. It ends with a society where nobody cares about anything. Nobody wants to work. There isnt anything to buy anyways. Creativity at first and then the good genes in the population just die out. The human race is truely fucked. The greatest filter we have is our complete inability to not abuse innocent people. So many humans just want to control each other. Humans are obsessed with controling each other. Nothing great was ever created by control, only by the florishing of the human spirit and liberty, allowing people to be creative and weird and happy. History so clearly shows this. Religous societies and authoritarian societies are always complete shitholes even for the ones who benifit, like the racialy pure male normative class. The nicest societies are the ones who out liberty above all else. The richest person in a bad country is worse off then the poorest person in a nice country. Money doesnt buy happiness. Money cannot buy you love, not real love, just a simulation of it. Money cannot protect your kids. Money does not give your life meaning. Money usually just ruins you even more then you already were and then you jave to lie and xeluse yourself into thinking you deserve it, to avoid cognitive disonance with the only people who can tolorate you. Too bad people are too dumb to realize this now. People who trade liberty for temporary security, people who trade liberty so they can avoid actually facing any real issues in society, people who trade liberty so they can be comcortable and growntheir 401k, are the worst types of people.
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in reply to fin

Next, they're going to tell you who you can have sex with and who you cannot.


Evergrande: Chinese property giant delisted after spectacular fall


Chinese property giant Evergrande's shares were taken off the Hong Kong stock market on Monday after more than a decade and a half of trading.

It marks a grim milestone for what was once China's biggest real estate firm, with a stock market valuation of more than $50bn (£37.1bn). That was before its spectacular collapse under the weight of the huge debts that had powered its meteoric rise.

Experts say the delisting was both inevitable and final.

"Once delisted, there is no coming back," says Dan Wang, China director at political risk consultancy Eurasia Group.

Evergrande is now best-known for its part in a crisis that has for years dragged on the world's second-largest economy.

in reply to HBK

... meteoritic rise...


No, they don't. Meteorites fall to the ground while vaporizing themselves. Like Evergrande it seems.

Edit: @Hugin@lemmy.world made a good point. It actually does make sense of you say meteoric rise, which they did.

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in reply to probable_possum

meteor means things high in the sky. from Greek ta meteōra "the celestial phenomena, things in heaven above," plural of meteōron, literally "thing high up,"
in reply to probable_possum

meteoric rise means to rise high in the sky. Meteorologist to study things high in the sky.
Meteor thing in the sky.

Meteoric rise doesn't reference the rock falling from the sky. They have the same root word meaning high in the sky.

in reply to Hugin

meteoric rise.


Ooooh! They didn't write meteoritic but meteoric.
You are right. Thanks for the explanation.

in reply to HBK

“Once delisted, there is no coming back,”


Can someone explain why this is?


in reply to zero

I remember the first time they hit a hospital and they spent so much time lying about how it was all Hamas. Once they realized no one gave a shit they started hitting all the hospitals.

Israel is a criminal enterprise that always pushes to see what it can get away with.

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in reply to Gravitywell

It is actually decentralized though? You can host your own pds and relay for pretty cheap now.
in reply to Blisterexe

So how many people are doing that? I doubt more then 5% of their users are actually using a pds or ever will.

How many times do we have to watch venture capitalists enshittify services before people learn. Do you really think bluesky doesnt have plans to extract every drop of ad revenue and data harvesting at some point, decentralization doesnt work with that business model, sure its fine now in the honeymoon phase but wait till Jack decides ita time to cash out.

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in reply to Gravitywell

wait till Jack decides ita time to cash out


I mean, you don't like BlueSky, fair. But Jack Dorsey left like...over a year ago.

in reply to EarlGrey

Sure, and the 14b he gave was with no strings attached.

Its not like Jay Garber is any better

in reply to Gravitywell

I agree. That's why I'm happy it's fully decentralised, so that by the time they try to do that, they'll be but one player on atproto, and won't be able to get away with it.
in reply to Blisterexe

Id love to be wrong, but much like how meta patched threads into AP, i see this primarily as a performative gesture to allow them to take credit for "federating" when they have no intention of allowing it to get out of their control.
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in reply to Gravitywell

I see why you think that, and I agree threads sucks. But bsky is actually fully open source and they are actively working to make federation better. I do think the current leadership genuinely cares about making a federated platform.

Will they enshittify? Yes, probably when the current ceo leaves. But by then other services will have popped up, and ATproto is built in such a way that you can move services without your current service's consent.

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fediverse/activitypub based linktree alternative


i'm wondering if there was a federated or activitypub based linktree alternative? i current use linktree obviously but i'm growing tired of his bloatedness and would love to support an open alternative.. mostly just since i have a collection of threadiverse accounts for different things and would love to have one place for them all 😀
in reply to katy ✨

Honestly, it would be kind of cool if you just had a simple app to log in with your Fediverse identity, and it rendered your existing profile on the page and allowed you to put additional links.

I don't think it necessarily needs to federate.



80s Nostalgia AI Slop Is Boomerfying the Masses for a Past That Never Existed


Archive: archive.is/Lv4Xx


80s Nostalgia AI Slop Is Boomerfying the Masses for a Past That Never Existed


The latest bleak new AI slop niche are “nostalgia” videos about how good the 1980s and 1990s were. There are many accounts spamming these out, but the general format is all basically the same. A procession of young people with feathered hair wonder at how terrible 2025 is and tell the viewer they should come back to the 1980s, where things are better. This video is emblematic of the form:

@nostalgia_vsh
let's go back 🥺 #lestgoback #nostalgia #nostalgic #childhood #80sbaby #2000s
♬ snowfall - Øneheart & reidenshi

In a typical ‘80s slop video, a teenager from the era tells the viewer that there’s no Instagram 40 years ago and everyone played outside until the street lights came on. “It’s all real here, no filters, no screens.” In another, two women eat pizza in a mall and talk about how terrible the future will be. “I bet your malls don’t feel alive in 2025,” one says.

These videos, like a lot of AI slop, do not try to hide that they are AI generated, and show that there is unfortunately a market for people endlessly scrolling social media looking to astral project themselves into a hallucinatory past that never existed. This is Mark Zuckerberg’s fucked up metaverse, living here and now on Mark Zuckerberg’s AI slop app.
playlist.megaphone.fm?p=TBIEA2…
The most popular current ones focus on 1980s nostalgia, but there are accounts that focus on the 70s, 90s, and early 2000s. These differ from standard internet nostalgia, which has been popular for many years—from BuzzFeed’s “Only 90s kids will remember this” listicles to “look at this old tech” Instagram accounts, the popularity of emo nights, “When We Were Young” music festivals—because they are primarily about aggrandizing a past that never existed or that was only good for specific segments of society.

These videos are awful AI-generated slop, yes, but it’s more than that. Reactionary nostalgia, a desire to return to a fake past or a time when you were young and things were better, is part of why the world is so fucked right now. It is, literally, the basis of MAGA. Worse, these videos about the “past” tell us a lot about our present and future: one where AI encourages our worst impulses and allows users to escape from reality into a slopified world that narrowly targets whatever reality we’d like to burrow into without dealing with the problems of the present.

1980s slop nostalgia is particularly popular at the moment, with these fake videos boomerfying Gen Xers and elder millennials in real time, though such nostalgia is coming for us all, and nostalgia for earlier releases of Roblox and Call of Duty—the ancient days of, like, 2021—are already going viral. It’s normal to look back at the time when you were young and your knees didn’t hurt with rose tinted glasses. It’s as if a generation read Ready Player One as an instruction manual instead of a warning (or instead of vapid surface-level nonsense that was one long reference rather than a coherent narrative).

These AI-generated slop videos are the latest expression of a common political theme: nostalgia for an imagined past. Dissatisfaction with the current moment is a normal reaction to the horrifying conditions under which we all live. The National Guard is occupying Washington DC, technology is dividing and surveling us in ways we never imagined, and our political leaders are feckless and corrupt. If you aren’t disturbed by where we are right now, you’re not paying attention.

A rejection of modernity and a call to return to the past has long been a feature of authoritarian and fascist political movements. So when we see an AI generated woman in stonewashed denim with hair by Aqua Net White tell us how good things were 40 years ago, we remember the political figures from the Reagan-era calling for a return to the 1950s.

Nostalgia is a poisonous political force. Things were not better “back then,” they were just different. Often they were worse. These 1980s AI slop videos have the same energy as online right weirdos with Roman bust avatars calling for us to “retvrn” and “embrace tradition.” Their political project uses the aesthetic of the past to sell a future where minorities are marginalized, women have no political power, and white guys are in charge. That’s how they think it all worked in the past and they’d love for it to happen again.

The ‘80s AI slop videos have a sinister air beyond their invocation of reactionary politics. “Dude, it’s 1985 and the release of the film The Goonies. Forget 2025 and come here. We want you here,” a strong-jawed white guy asks from his front lawn while a slowed down and distorted version of Aquatic Ambience from Donkey Kong Country plays. “Come to 1985, I miss ya,” a young man with feathered hair says in the back of a pickup truck as the sun sets. The surreal nature of these videos, this bizarre ask to time travel to the past, has cultish just-drink-the-Kool-Aid vibes.

What is the ask here, exactly? What does it mean for someone with dreams of an imagined past to go back to the 1980s where these ghoulish AI-crafted simulacrums dwell? In the Black Mirror episode San Junipero, Mackenzie Davis finds comfort in a simulation of a stereotypical 1980s southern California town. She loses herself in the fantasy. She’s also dying. For her, heaven was a place on earth, a data center where she could live until someone turned the lights off.

Those viewing these endless AI-generated TikToks and Reels are, however, very much alive. They can go outside. They can put the phone down and get to know their neighbors. They don’t have to doom scroll. They can log off and work for a better world in their community. They can reach out to an old friend or make new ones.Or they can load up another short form video and fill themselves with fuzzy feelings about how much better things were 40 years ago, back before all this technology, back when they were young, and where they think the world seemed to make more sense. AI allows us to sink into that nostalgic feeling. We have the technology, right now, to form digital wombs from a comforting and misremembered past.

It is worth mentioning that the people making these videos are also human beings with agency and goals, too. And their goals, universally, are to spam the internet for the purposes of making money. Over in the Discord communities where people talk about what types of AI slop works on social media, “nostalgia” is treated as a popular, moneymaking niche like any other. “Any EDITOR that can make Nostalgia videos?” one message we saw reads. “Need video editor to for nostalgia welcome back to 20xx videos.”

“Some ideas i got right now are nostalgia, money motivation, self improvement and maybe streamer clips,” another says.

A top purveyor of this nostalgia slop is the Instagram account “purestnostalgia,” which is full of these videos. That account is run by a guy named Josh Crowe who looks to be in his 20s and claims to live in Bali: “In the process of becoming a billionaire,” his profile reads.


in reply to Shamber

My take on boomerifying is getting other generations to behave like the stereotypical boomer, not that they are actual boomers by birthday.
in reply to Pulptastic

I agree with you, but it is a lot like Boomers calling everyone younger a Millenial.


Google will require developer verification for Android apps outside the Play Store


Starting next year, Google will begin to verify the identities of developers distributing their apps on Android devices, not just those who distribute via the Play Store.
in reply to Mas

I sent Apple to hell because of dumb "you can't change UI to your liking", guess Google is next

*yes, this was seen miles away. I work with a laptop most of the time, so phone doesn't matter much for me, apart of a box that rings a few times a year

**Yes, both companies are run by greedy dumbfucks. I am getting tired and angry that finding companies that are different takes actual dedication. It should not be this way


in reply to Tony Bark

Gross politics and implications aside and just speaking as a full-stack, I’m curious if this would replace USWDS or overhaul it. Probably replace knowing these guys.
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in reply to tfowinder

"The seven-year-old startup, incubated at IIT Kanpur, has developed a proprietary zinc-bromine-based battery system as an alternative to lithium-ion technology. Called ZincGel, it delivers 80–90% of the energy efficiency of conventional lithium batteries, but at a significantly lower levelized cost of storage, the startup said."


KEA: ”En Gazao la afero estas tre klara kaj akuta”

Kataluna Esperanto-Asocio en aŭgusto faris oficialan komunikon pri la situacio en Gazao, kun la titolo ”Ĉesigu la genocidon”. Libera Folio petis la prezidanton de KEA klarigi, kial la asocio decidis fari deklaron ĝuste pri Gazao, sed ne ekzemple pri la milito en Ukrainio, kiu rekte tuŝas multajn esperantistojn.

liberafolio.org/2025/09/02/kea…



What is the URL for AudioBookBay?


As the title says, I was wondering what the URL is for AudioBookBay. Is it the one that ends in ".lu" ?
in reply to N.E.P.T.R

Seems to be. I like using fmhy.pages.dev to check things like what domain is correct:

fmhy.pages.dev/beginners-guide…

in reply to SqueakySpider

Hey I have a question if you don't mind, fmhy.pages.dev the same as fmhy.net?
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in reply to pugnaciousfarter

I believe so - I never know which is the "right" domain- if there is a right domain.
in reply to pugnaciousfarter

pages.dev is a Cloudflare domain. While they resolve to different IPv6 addresses, it still seems likely they point to the same hosted source - pages.dev being the Cloudflare host subdomain from the hoster and fmhy.net being a separate domain pointing to the same thing.




Republicans voted against independent redistricting in 2021




Sports Piracy in 3D


Has anyone here checked the 3D live in the usopen.org page?
usopen.org/en_US/scores/

I must say I was impressed. It is not perfect, but if what you to want to watch is just the sport being played, it might very well meet your needs. Add a little sound to it and I could watch a whole tennis match that way.

That made me think how one could convert any sports event to 3D and stream it. I don't know how many cameras IBM uses for that 3D stream, but a handful of volunteers recording the game with their phones and uploading it to a server that would process it could, in theory, generate a 3D version of the match. Maybe even the cameras of the official stream itself could be enough to create this.

The best part of this is that the 3D stream would be untraceable. It can't be watermarked, it's just the movement of the players and the ball, nothing else. And it also would have a ridiculously low bit rate. You could watch a match in 4K using a 100 kbps stream. You could even customize the assets to remove ads and make the players wear the uniform of your choice.

I'm probably dreaming too much, but a man can dream, right?

in reply to Joejoe582

Usually at these events there are staff who constantly look around for people who might be recording, and they don’t hesitate to kick you out if you’re caught more than once. So it’s possible if you have a decent number of people who are good about being sneaky and have covert equipment, but not easy.

It makes you wonder what will happen when more people start wearing smart AR glasses that can record everything and barely look any different than regular glasses.



How to use PeerTube for Podcasting


Created a guide over the weekend on hosting a podcast with PeerTube. Going with Spotify/YouTube is tempting for many, but they may not have realized how easy/affordable PeerTube has become for hosting and maintaining complete control of a feed.
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in reply to Paige

So .. I've been making a weekly podcast for over 14 years. For all that time I've had complete control over my own content by hosting all the audio, the transcripts, the website and the RSS feeds on an AWS S3 bucket for a couple of dollars per month.

I submitted the RSS feed to several aggregators like iTunes, Spotify, YouTube and others. There's eBooks, I send out weekly email, post on Mastodon and Lemmy (previously on Xitter and Reddit) and it's included in other podcasts, news broadcasts and magazines.

How is adding PeerTube adding anything except more cost to me? What is the benefit of this that goes beyond people using their preferred podcast player downloading the audio from my own existing platform?

in reply to Onno (VK6FLAB)

I perfectly agree, RSS has always worked, and is federated, in a better way than even activitypub, as pretty much each podcast is on the servers of the owners, and that the clients do the aggregation.
in reply to int32

If you actually read the OP, PeerTube podcasts are ALSO distributed via RSS.
in reply to Onno (VK6FLAB)

It adds video. If you don't care about video, and you already have a system that works, it's probably not for you.

If potentially a new person wanted somewhere to host a podcast, they could do that using PeerTube. Along with all the other video services it offers.

in reply to Onno (VK6FLAB)

This guide outlines how to start a podcast for people who are already running PeerTube.
in reply to Paige

Hello Paige Saunders! I'm a big fan you smarmy kiwi yimby.
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Nadler, Pillar of Democratic Party’s Old Guard, Will Retire Next Year


In a recent interview in his downtown Manhattan office, Mr. Nadler, 78, said he hesitated to step aside when he believes that President Trump is threatening the foundations of democracy. But he said he had been persuaded it was time for a changing of the guard.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/01/nyregion/jerrold-nadler-congress-retires.html?unlocked_article_code=1.ik8.mNVO.nNHc5LziH6oQ