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At JUPITER’s inauguration ceremony in Jülich, attended by Germany Chancellor Friedrich Merz, the Jülich Supercomputing Centre and NVIDIA unveiled ways the supercomputer is already spurring innovation across the world.
Fuck GOOG for normalizing surveillance capitalism Fuck YouTube in particular for making it basically impossible to usefully host an Invidious proxy any more and for their algorithmic manipulation
A big problem with peertube is monetization. There should be some sort of mechanism that'd do that automatically. Otherwise there won't be much content ever. Don't get me wrong, I'm really happy that it exists but just don't see it replacing even few % of YouTube as it is.
If you want monetization and scalability, you're gonna have to get ads. Ad-free subscription services that actually benefit the creators are exceedingly rare. Very few people (less than 0.1%) are "making it" on Patreon and the like. The bitter truth is that most users can't afford to financially support their favorite creators, and damn near zero creators could get the level of exposure needed to be sustainable without an ad-based platform backing them.
Video hosting is expensive af. Ultimately, small-time content creation is completely dependent on corporate benefactors. This is why every video platform that's tried to compete against YouTube has failed. Nebula is trying, but that's only useful to creators who fit within its specific niche.
I'm not saying this as a vote of support for the current system. Just an observation of how the market has played out so far.
That is correct. Though I guess that there aren't more than 0.1% on yt that are "making it". You just don't see the vids that got 5 views since 2004 or the millions of ppl that so dread to be someone yet never gain traction.
Ad-free subscription services that actually benefit the creators are exceedingly rare.
Believe it or not, YouTube Premium is one of them. A Premium view is worth more than an ad-supported view to a creator.
(Obviously Patreon is better, as they can’t make a living off of only Premium views because it’s a smaller group; the population of ad-supported users is much much larger. But YouTube Premium does benefit the creators more than ad-supported YouTube does.)
No, and neither has anybody else. Not saying that to be rude or dismissive, but just using their own numbers on the front page to paint a picture. They have ~3,000 paying members as of right now. Patreon has over 10,000,000 paying members, and even then only a tiny, tiny fraction of their creators are actually sustainable.
Paid subscription services like this are a great idea, in theory; I'd love to get away from ad-supported platforms. But the truth is that they just don't work for all but a few lucky people.
YT also has a "tiny, tiny fraction" of creators that make a living there. There are many, but there are also gargantuan numbers of people never going beyond a handfull views because they can't reach their audience without paying or LUCK. No saying you're wrong though.
That's 100% true, but YT also foots the bill that creators would otherwise be responsible for when it comes to just the basics. Free hosting/distribution of high res full-length videos, globally accessible, with a player app that is actively developed and maintained, a recommendation algorithm to put your content in front of viewers' eyes... That, alone, has tremendous value for a creator that they really can't get anywhere else without paying out of pocket. All of those things would have to otherwise be paid for/maintained by the creators. While it's not a direct payment, YT relieves a huge burden for creators.
It sucks because it keeps creators' success dependent on corporate oligarchs. But at the same time, it's also great because it gives them a fighting chance to get started.
True, yes. But there's also vimeo and the federated services like (forgot the name because I rarely consume any video anywhere). It's not just YouTube. People just use it because they don't know the others or just want to be famous (for reasons beyond me but that's besides the point)
And you know when exactly YouTube went total ape-shit? The moment people could earn some meager bucks. Then shitty content flooded the whole platform until it was full of crap and actual good content got harder and harder to find in that pile of "you might wanna see this" Nowadays i see the frontpage, sigh in disgust and close the page. And I haven't even seen an ad there yet. This would be the cherry on top
Shallow content comes from trying to manipulate the recommendations algorithm and "go viral". Without a recommendations algorithm, the incentive disappears.
Well fuck. It never crossed my mind that YouTube would do this since I don’t view it the same as other traditional streaming services. This will really suck for my friends who I’ve happily let mooch off my plan for years.
You pay a scammer to scam you and wonder why you get scammed? Their course was clear the moment they ditched their slogan "don't be evil". And here we are, again.
GTK. I think they flagged my account since I share it with my spouse and some of my basic features disappeared recently like mini-player in the browser. I might need to unsubscribe and just rely on Firefox with an ad blocker. Nebula and Patreon are good alternatives as well.
uBlock Origin is also available on iOS/iPadOS but only through the Orion browser. It would be nice if other browsers figured out how to allow Firefox extensions too but so far it looks to just be Orion.
I'm not sure how Orion gets away with it, but Apple has been deadset against allowing other browsers to exist on their platform, Chrome, Edge, and Firefox on iOS are just a Safari wrapper. This strongly limits what they can offer for extensions. The only people who own Apple phones is Apple, everyone else is just renting.
uBO Lite (uBOL) is a reliable and efficient content blocker.
The default ruleset corresponds to uBlock Origin's default filterset:
- uBlock Origin's built-in filter lists
- EasyList
- EasyPrivacy
- Peter Lowe’s Ad and tracking server list
You can…
I’ll test out Safari + uBO for a bit and see if I prefer it. Do you have any sites you can check for how good your adblocker is? I used to use one but that was ages ago, I don’t remember the name anymore.
Top web search results for “adblock test”—the top two, both, are usually good to both run (though I’ve never been too scientific about it)! One tries to show ads for your review, the other gives a % blocked.
I have a hot take. I pretty much exclusively watch YouTube as my form of TV entertainment. On most days, I watch many hours between putting something on to go to sleep or actually watching stuff in the day such as training courses or whatever. Sure, I could easily set up my TVs and devices to work around it, but I think it's actually worth it to just pay for Premium and not have the hassle. I feel I get more than my fair share out of it.
I'm similar - and my kids even more so. As they only watch YouTube on the main TV it's a pain to get alternate frontends on it I also like the fact there are no ads. I think the creators get a bigger cut per premium view Vs ad views, especially if they get blocked.
The price is too high for a subscription. For that price I could get thousands of movies on a competing service like Netflix.
Even if you take YouTube premium they are still farming your data and selling it to third parties.
So even if I watch a ton of YT I refuse to pay to sell my data.
If I pay for YT they have to not track me and not sell my data (at least data coming from YT).
So yeah taking YT is hassle free but is quite the scam if you think about it. Before paying you were the product. After paying you are still the product but on top of that you give them money.
Your second point is specifically the reason I don't pay for Premium. I would actually really like to but unless there is some kind of guarantee they won't be double dipping, I'm not going to.
I think the price is a far better deal than Netflix. Even when I had Netflix, basically all I watched was Breaking Bad. Shows I like or want to view now just live on my media server. It came to a point I couldn't find anything interesting to watch and cancelled it. I don't remember the last time I watched an actual movie. There is so much more than I'll ever have the time to watch on Youtube. If they want to use what I watch to attempt to show me ads I'm very likely never going to see elsewhere, I honestly don't care. They are going to try to show me ads which will almost certainly get blocked, anyway. I'm not watching anything on Youtube I wouldn't mind telling anyone about anyway.
I don't feel scammed, and it impacts my day-to-day life in no ways aside from saving me time having to fiddle with my network for 30 minutes every time an actual video won't load because I'm trying to block a 30-second ad at the router.
Netflix also sells data to 3rd party marketing services.
I honestly wouldn't mind paying for it if it didn't feel like such a fucking rip-off.
For example, for £19 a month I could sub to Netflix top tier. For that, I and three others could watch their stuff in UHD, all at the same time. And sure, Netflix content might be somewhat average these days, but it's still reasonably high quality and costs a decent packet to produce.
By contrast, YT Premium for family is £20 a month, with which I can access a bunch of videos that, while enjoyable, do not cost Google anything to make. Yes, hosting costs money, and yes, they (theoretically) pay the video creators. But it doesn't feel like £20 a month, y'know?
Part of the trouble is that they lump YT Music in to the same subscription. But I don't want or need that. I have Apple Music with its lossless catalogue, and library that I've built up over many years. If YT offered a straight up ad-free plan that I could share with my family that cost a tenner a month, I'd probably go for it. It would mean being able to watch videos on Apple TV without having to fuck about downloading them to my Plex folder first, because they've injected SO MANY ADVERTS in now that the YT app is completely unusable.
It’s too expensive agreed. However YouTube has a lot of discounted memberships through other services. I wouldn’t pay full price for it, but through my mobile phone company I get more than 50% off and that’s a bloody great deal.
Run a personal VPN server at the home address and have external users route through it. I'd think it'd work for any subscription service doing this crap. I'm surprised nobody has started selling a turnkey self-hosted VPN device that even a non-techie can get running in a few steps - all the end users would need is an app that does split tunneling for the media players.
If you pay, the platform remains great. I get a discounted YouTube premium membership through my mobile phone company. I think YouTube is great, I never see ads, lots of features.
It’s a product. You can buy it or not. If you don’t think it’s worth it, stay away, or stay on the free tier. You’re acting as if you’ve got some kind of right to use a service that’s provided by a commercial entity.
and it's a multi-billion dollar corporation, that already makes more money than you or I will ever see in our lifetimes, that actively strives to make the user experience worse for people who don't pay, when they've got a practical monopoly in the "free video sharing platform" market. And you're whiteknighting for them. 🤡
more money than you or I will ever see in our lifetimes
I mean, I feel like you need to expand your comparison a little as the amount that you'll see in your lifetime is such a minute grain of sand on a beech compared to corporate profits. The money they made today, hell, in the last hour... minute... will dwarf the amount that you will likely see.
actively strives to make the user experience worse for people who don't pay
And evidently those who do! My parents live in a different country. What are they, not my family? What's the family plan for? (Rhetorical question)
With Vanced I have so many more options to customize my experience. I can hide shorts I never watch, set a fixed resolution for data and wifi, return the stupid dislike ratio they removed... And if I'm using Vanced anyway to fix all the issues they introduce, why on earth would I additionally pay for their service?
I want to pay for their shit, especially to support content creators, but I can't support a platform whose singular mission it is to make everything worse for everyone constantly. Feels like every month I have to get a new extension to undo some horrible design decision.
was a weak-ass criticism when it was on 4chan being leveled at anyone who said anything not derogatory about a woman, and it's weak-ass now. Oh no, someone on the internet has an at-least-partially positive opinion of a company, how awful, we'd better stereotype and body-shame them for it.
If you had your way, the only comments about YouTube - or any other product from a large company - that would be allowed would be negative ones. How the fuck does that make sense?
You are missing something. Multiple things actually. * most content isn't uploaded by the copyright holder (e.g. TV excerpts) * demonetized videos will still have ads (at least for people without ad blockers) * videos are used for machine learning without credit to authors or financial compensation (especially without consent when it's not the copyright holder uploading them)
I'll join you in the downvotes. There's many reasons to hate YouTube. Asking them to pay for video content to everyone for free is a bit silly.
I'm also not saying you shouldn't use alternatives or run an ad-blocker. Those are cool. I just find it funny how someone is saying: "I get some benefit in paying for this service" results in such backlash, lol.
I'm willing to sacrifice some of my valuable internet points here and be down voted to low hell.
I was going to make a comment along those lines.
They are, at the core, an ad company. Their motivation is to make money, and we are free to pay or not pay for their services.
The idea that we have a right to a non essential product for free is entitlement. They make a shit load of money, but also pay money to most content creators. Could they provide a service where they essentially just pay for costs? Sure, but no for profit Corp is going to do that, it has to make money somehow. While I'm all for peer tube, I really don't know if it's sustainable.
I wonder how many of the people who demand free access to services donate to FOSS Development.
Maybe some form of consumer co-op, where users essentially pay for operating costs, could be an option.
Not allowing ISPs to pick and choose winners among web services is absolutely what Net Neutrality is about. Bundling or discounting subscriptions isn't technically the same thing as zero-rating, but the end result of making a particular ISP-preferred service cheaper than alternatives is the same.
You're just trying to piggyback on a vaguely-related concept that your audience already likely hates. Call things what they are, not what would be convenient to you if they were.
You mean removing sponsor led segments inside a video? Sort of. The jump ahead feature, which I think is a premium feature, allows you to jump in the video based on where everywhere else is jumping in the video. So when a sponsored segment starts and you skip forward 30s (double tap on mobile, ‘k’ on PC) you are offered to jump ahead. You click that and you get to the end of the sponsored segment.
I'm OK with your opinion and I appreciate hearing an alternate view to offset the echo chamber effect.
But for a lot of us, or at least me, its far deeper than just cost and ads.
It's the fact that steps keep being taken to make the platform worse. They don't want the platform usable unless you pay, and in this case they're even taking a stab at the people who pay...you don't pay enough in their mind.
If they had balls, they would just make it a closed platform. Pay to access, and restrict that per account IP. But they'd rather gaslight everybody and slowly turn up he heat so the frogs don't jump out of the pot. This way they maximize their profits for longer. Point of all of that is, they don't care about he platform or service at all.
For me, its not even about that. Their algorithm was so jacked up I was sick of being fed videos I didn't want to see over and over, and videos I've already watched over and over. That's why they added the subscription bell...because you would subscribe to things you wanted to watch and they never showed it to you. It wasn't "you" tube it was "their" tube.
I bailed on them years ago. I still watch some content on there because there really isn't a viable alternative. I use a scraper that gives me a feed of just what I want and without ads. I watch what I like and move on with my day. I'm back in control of my video viewing.
Weird number of downvotes here -- I thought they were meant for low-effort or non contributive comments, not an "I disagree" button. This person is giving a unique perspective as a subscriber (in this thread, anyway) and should be met with curiosity, I think. It is helpful to know that there are people who enjoy paying for it, so thanks for giving your opinion here.
I disagree because they have a dominant position for reasons other than having a good product -- they squash competition trying to make the space better while themselves actively making it worse. Subscribing means supporting that style of inhibiting innovation, not to mention the other user-hostile practices they embrace (extend, extinguish). They are an ad company and obligated to make a profit, I get that, but I refuse to abide this style of using investor money to operate at a loss for years while deceptively capturing the market before raising prices. If your product is good, it shouldn't need to be artificially propped up.
but I refuse to abide this style of using investor money to operate at a loss for years while deceptively capturing the market before raising prices.
Indeed, no company should be praised or rewarded for emulating the moves that made companies like Walmart and Amazon big.
This capitalist hellscape would be slightly more tolerable if there was ample competition in every space. Companies need to be motivated to make their profit in ways that please the consumer, but also in ways that are increasingly more ethical.
But truly, as they say, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Modern slavery and third-world exploitation...even literal child slavery are rampant in our supply chains and offshore manufacturing.
Even Google indirectly uses child slavery. The court threw the case raised against them (and other giants) out last year because these companies simply purchase "unspecified amounts" of cobalt through "global supply chains" - never mind how it came to be on the global supply chain to begin with and how much obscene profit these companies make off these resources.
Deactivated Premium recently. I used their music app when driving – expecting some ads now - nope, it just doesn’t allow running in the background anymore.
Seems like such a hostile thing - I’d like to think running ads would be a positive net income for them. (Now that I think of it - maybe they don’t have it built out into their music service.)
Makes me long for the days of google music. It just worked. Streamed stuff and even allowed you to stream your own library that you had stored in drive. I would use that in the car. Then they ditched it for YouTube music, which was a worse experience and lacked the features.
It's always nice when the garbage takes itself out. And if you're inconvenienced, I feel for you, but the writing has been on the wall for years. They will keep trying to suck more money out of you every way they can until you cancel your subscription, and because that's going to happen in the end, why not cancel it today.
How are they able to tell if you are in a different household ? If the user use different VPNs then it shouldn't be able to tell the different between that and being in different locations. So are they gathering internal network data, are they spying on the LAN and wifi ?
Your browser sends more data than you want it to. And if it's a specific app you're talking about, they can do whatever they want and spy you dry. There's a reason every shitty shit wants you to install their app instead of just using their fucking webpage, which already sucks enough.
Meanwhile I installed the User Agent Switcher extension for firefox to change my user agent every 30 seconds to something random to avoid tracking. A few websites don’t accept it. I just quit those websites and find a non-billionaire-owned alternative like Kagi or Fastmail. So far it’s working out well.
That likely makes you easier to track. User agents don't really matter all that much if an advanced tracking script is used. When your IP address is the same, your browser engine is the same, your canvas data stays the same, your window size stays the same, your operating system stays the same, then they will just know that you also use an extension that makes your user agent not reflect your system and track you based on that too.
Use Mullvad Browser without changing anything important (change the default search engine at most) and preferably use a proper VPN to actually avoid tracking during regular internet usage. Or use LibreWolf to at least fool naive scripts.
Try a different VPN server if you get the "Sign in to confirm you're not a bot" error. If you're using Mullvad VPN, the Netherlands Amsterdam 203 server should work.
How is that easier? That’s just only very slightly harder, not easier. Most sites will not have such sophisticated logic. And anyway, the purpose is to suss out which websites do this kind of tracking and avoid them entirely, not to thwart the tracking.
Technically, yes, most sites won't have such sophisticated logic. But any Google, Microsoft, or Meta service you use most definitely will.
I really liked CreepJS's "Visits" feature where it would show a counter for how many people have visited with exactly the same browser fingerprint (which would usually be 1 unless you were using Tor Browser or Mullvad Browser), but they seem to have removed it for some reason along with "Lies" and "Trust Score". You can still check it out here though to see just how much identifying information even a simple hobby project can gather in less than a second.
Easier said than done. My parents are the main reason I haven't, it's just easier to pay monthly than it is to fix their mistakes when they fuck up the things I try to setup.
it's because Youtube is a content monopoly. TikTok is a platform for short content...on youtube it's a feature with shorts. Twitch is a platform for live streaming content...on youtube it's a feature with, other than discoverability, the same features. Any music streaming service? again...it's a feature on youtube. The fact I could export my playlists from any music streaming platform and import it to Youtube and listen to it ad free via an ad blocker? come on. So as opposed to using multiple platforms, with youtube you have it all in one place. So no, this will not get people to stop using it.
Premium you don't need if you're even the slightest bit tech savvy. but no one is ever going to stop using youtube, there's no point. I mean I use peertube as much as possible but every now and then I'm back on youtube because of all those features in one place and some things I just can't find on peertube.
Why pay for premium anyway? Let alone a family plan. You still get ads. They can be skipped too — SponsorBlock will do it for free. Google could use this but chooses not to.
They want YouTube to be like cable TV. You pay for it. You watch ads. You pay more for premium channels.
I found a neat little workaround that I used for a while. I’d load the video up in my browser, turn the phone on an off a couple times, press play on the lock screen, and enjoy it that way.
Edit:
Still works. Just gotta full screen the video and then power off before it kills picture in picture.
And now I’m listening in the background as I type this.
Download Video Background Play Fix for Firefox. Some sites may not work with Firefox for Android video background play feature. This add-on provides a quick fix by blocking the Page Visibility API and the Fullscreen API.
Most certainly off-topic, but I have found other cool workarounds for apps.
For instance, if you open 2 windows of, say, PowerPoint (1 you want to use, the other you must close after; read below). Then, go to the one you don't want to use (or at least one you use for this method), and wait for the no account/Office not bought/whatever pop up; in any case, do NOT close the pop up. Open the other PowerPoint, and then close the former. If done right, you'll be pleasantly surprised that it works perfectly! After that, you can open any additional ppt files. Do note that, after you close PowerPoint entirely, you gotta do this all over again.
Youtube doesn't let you download the videos directly. If they did, you'd be right. The fact that the original yt-dl was shut down by Youtube kinda disproves your point all by itself.
In-video sponsors are not even remotely the same thing as the ads YouTube puts on videos, but that being said no I’m not using SponsorBlock. YouTube premium has a button to skip in-video sponsors so I don’t need sponsor block.
I pay for it, also no ads except the sponsor plugs, which are pretty easy to skip. Overall a better experience than the non premium. I don't live in the USA so my cost is like $5/month.
The three people who replied before you said they don't get the sponsor plugs.
When I had YTP (I had a trial, it was like 3 months for $1), I got the sponsored segments. So either those other people are lying, or they don't understand what I'm saying.
same here, but even I'm looking to cancel both to avoid supporting a US company and because they're making my experience worse by having a shitty user experience
I've never seen a single youtube ad with uBlock Origin. SponsorBlock takes care of most of the sponsored segments that a premium youtube account won't get rid of.
I pay for premium because currently it's the easier option for getting no Ads on all my devices. Yes I could install a third party client on my TV, Phone & use uBlock on Desktop, but two of those require active upkeep.
YouTube Music is included.
For sponsorships, YouTube Premium has the "Skip Ahead" feature which basically leeches off sponsorblock users where commonly skipped sections can be also skipped by you.
It's just currently easier to pay than to pirate. I will say however, if it gets too shitty, I will resort back to pirating.
This will be like Netflix pushing against shared accounts, sure it will work and their revenue will go up, but I will stop being a paying customer and will only watch videos from my notebook with adblocks.
I cancelled Netflix when they did the sharing bullshit and I cancelled prime when they wanted MORE money to not give me ads. Fuck that.
However, you and I seem to be in the minority since these mega corps push one bullshit after another and people just bend over and go "please use lube this time..."
YT Premium recently updated their terms to include a provision requiring that the majority of your use be from your home country. YT saw how everyone sucked the Netflix teat when they killed sharing, and now they want a piece too.
If you watch vapid slop content on Youtube, that's on you. Don't blame Youtube for giving you what you apparently want. I watch howto's, "edutainment", science and engineering stuff, conference talks, and overall generally positive, helpful content. This is a totally different thing from Netflix, which is mostly just fiction. I'd never pay a subscription for that. The cost of Premium seems like a fair value for what I get out of it, especially since creators get a higher payout for Premium views.
Yeah, Google still tracks you. So does absolutely everyone else, including your ISP that you're paying for. Until you make it illegal, that isn't going to change. I'm not going to put everything on hold waiting for better consumer protection laws, shit's way too dysfunctional for that to be realistic. Life isn't perfect.
Peertube needs monetization and the ability for people peer without self-hosting. A torrent client of sorts.
The product, in it's current form cannot replace Youtube. Youtube gives you traffic, a free place to host even your crappiest footage, and money if enough people start watching it regularly.
Peertube isn't free, it's just someone else footing the bill, which breaks under load.
highly likely that many videos will quickly die as well
Ideally, everyone would just post their own stuff from their own disk. As things got popular, the fans would cache it for others. We'd just need the self-hosting angels to help us with discoverability.
Realistically, a quick death is probably a fortunate way to save resources if a video can't gain traction from being useful or entertaining.
You mentioned with the number of dead torrents that videos would die quickly.
I mentioned that unpopular videos probably should die quickly.
You mentioned that the solution won't work I suspect your definition of not working is probably different than my definition of not working. But I'm not exactly sure at this point.
By suggest the peeeing app, I'm also suggesting a change to the architecture then I've talked about previously, probably have not made clear here.
The peering app works more like a torrent client. It's not just caching things that you've seen, but you can also place your content there.
We would separate the content from the indexing. A peer tube provider could offer both roles. People could store their own data locally or pay the provider a small amount to use their storage. Maybe even IPFS style that would just pin it for you for a fee. It would make the model sustainable.
Everyone is responsible for their own seed content that way. Nobody is required to pay millions of dollars to store a bunch of bullshit for nothing that they don't care about, which would end up making what monetization that can happen more effective.
Advertisers are just pouring billions of dollars into YouTube. They could have direct payments to smaller providers much easier without all that waste. We just need a sustainable storage method in a way for people to get paid.
ff+ubo+privacy badger (ff on my distro suggested privacy badger, can't remember exact number but when ubo blocks over ~1k privacy badger has like 2 - 4 on it, surprising me a little there are not more trackers) on pc, my phone has no adblocking atm and I know their info on me is wrong because all I do see are gambling ads and I have never gone to a gambling site, I don't even get the scam game ads my gf does on her phone. One day I may try out one of the "delete my dam info" places just to see how much they really have on me
I keep trying to convert my friends to using Firefox mobile for this reason. I generally try not to evangelise too much, but I have so many friends who keep complaining about ads when browsing the internet on mobile, and this would literally solve their problem. One friend complained about ads so frequently that they ended up getting irked at me telling them the problem was solvable. Our unhappy compromise was that I would stop telling them to use Firefox and uBO if they stopped complaining about this so much in front of me.
I respect their choices, but by God, I'm baffled by them. I get that inertia makes it hard to make switches like this, but when you're spending so much time complaining about how much effort it takes to use the internet on your mobile, why would you not just solve the problem?
I had someone say "Well, yours doesn't do ads" and, in the year of 5 manufacturers pumping out 10 different SKUs a year, we had the same model phone.
I said "Yours doesn't have to, if you set it up that way."
The answer? "Well, c'mon, play the video."
Like, yeah, let's just brush past the... What? Five or six tap solution? And before anyone asks, not a romantic opening. Generally people don't make passes at bridge trolls who evangelize for open source software.
I really wanted to like and use Peertube more, but it's so devoid of any content aside from political podcasts, as far as I can tell. I can't tell if the search function is bad, or I'm using it wrong, or there really is just that little content. Any recommendations for Peertube content?
They've had such trouble even selling YouTube premium that now they're making it even less worthwhile, and expecting people to still buy it...
I don't know what companies don't get. Family means so many different things and they're trying to dictate and control what it means to be a family. They don't get to decide that. Many people I consider to be family, have zero blood relation to me, but they've stood by me like brothers and sisters when shit goes down, often staying to help long after my blood relatives, have abandoned me. The people I share a bloodline with are simply not as much of a family to me as these people I grew up with, and have stuck with me through thick and thin.
If I buy a "family" plan of anything, I expect that the family I've chosen can be among the people I can share that plan with. If I'm paying for a personal plan and sharing it with others, I get it, fair game. But if I'm specifically buying it because I can share it with family, then let me share it with family, or fuck the fuck off with that bullshit.
Sorry, bit of a rant, I know everyone here already knows this so I'm preaching to the choir.
Meh. Growing up through the 90s makes be resilient and not even the slightest concerned about crap like this. I leave my device on the couch, go outside and enjoy life as I once had before greedy technology.
Meanwhile on Steam my "family" consists of 3 adults with different addresses, last names, and credit cards, who have had accounts for decades and never lived at the same place.
Sure, the 2 constants in the universe are Entropy and Enshitification. When Steam turns to shit I'll go back to Piracy just like I did when Netflix went to shit.
My point is that companies don't have to be shit about account sharing and family plans, and people don't have to accept it.
It's mostly that a feature on it went from "okayish" to "far more consumer-friendly", which was incredibly unexpected of them to do. Everyone figured Steam library sharing would die but instead they roll out Family that has far looser restrictions than the system they'd had for over a decade.
Can't play the same game at the same time unless both own it, and DLC isn't shared, but my partner being able to play anything I own that I'm not playing is pretty rad of a positive change.
That's the old way of handling it. (And I think it still works.) They have a new implementation that's just the family group admin sending an invite and the recipient accepting.
I had that error a couple of times, and it inexplicably resolved itself. Try having the person join again (which may require a new invite). I think only 1 out of 4 members of my family were able to join without that initial error message. This was back when Steam had just switched how they handled family sharing, so I assumed it was just an implementation bug of some sort. One of my friends took three attempts before they could join, but it worked ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Though I will note that steam family sharing no longer works if the person is located in another country for the purposes of Steam billing region (so my Norwegian friend could not join my UK family)
Man I hope he lives to a 100 at least, why am I always late to the party, I learn about Limewire and it dies the next year, I get access to my sister's Netflix account and Netflix goes to shit, I'm finally able to afford a gaming laptop and buy Steam games and now I'm too busy and tired from work to play them and Gabe is getting older. I wish I could go back in time and do things differently
I'd tell myself to start investing my money and hit the gym, but I'm unemployed right now and I know once I'm employed again finding the time in this rat race is gonna be difficult but I'm gonna start valuing my time more seriously, I've uninstalled doom scroll apps like Instagram and I'm working on time blocking my tasks, hopefully that pays off
In the meantime, I recommend doing some exercise because that's something you can completely control your progress on. If you don't have a gym membership, body weight workouts are absolutely a thing you should check out.
I like Steam, I like that they aren't being dicks and treat users well. That said: billionaires are not your friend. There is no such thing as an ethical billionaire.
I just want this specific billionaire to continue to live because, unlike most billionaires, he's not making my life more difficult.
He's basically refused to let steam become enshittified. Other billionaires would have long ago succumb to the one that they serve, the almighty dollar, and done whatever they can to extract the most value from their user base. Enshittifying the platform in the process, and actively making my life worse.
So as far as I'm concerned, when it comes to billionaires, gaben is far from the worst.
I have a short list of billionaires that kinda fit into the category of: I don't mind that they exist.
There's a much longer list of billionaires that I'd like to see pushing up the daisies.
Not that I can, or would, do anything to make that happen. I just, wouldn't hate it if it happened.
It's pretty fantastic! In the past, you could share a library, and playing any game from that library would lock the entire library so others couldn't use it at the same time. Today, that is loosened up and is much nicer to use.
Pretty easy to know, in fact. Same way Netflix, Disney, or HBO knows. Same account, accessed simultaneously from two distinct IP addresses. Not really rocket surgery.
Yea. I mean, I pay for it right now because it’s easy and works on all my stuff but frankly they’re really making me weigh how much convenience really matters. This kinda behaviour’s pretty garbo.
I absolutely hate this stuff. My family doesn't live in the same house, but it doesn't mean we are not a family. My mother-in-law and sister-in-law just message us for the passwords when they want to stream something. None of us pay for youtube premium and it looks like I won't be.
The company is ending the program in favor of Amazon Family, which lets users share Prime benefits with another adult, but they must share the same address.
I really think corporations are starting to overplay their hands here. People don't need Prime as much as Amazon thinks they do, people don't need YouTube as much as Google thinks they do, and so on. Especially in the case of YT, yeah, turns out it's easy to compete when your service is free. But once it gets freemium enough, things like Peertube start to take a place on the optimal frontier. Right now Peertube only competes with YouTube if you're sensitive to the dimension of a service being centralized or not, most people don't give a shit about that. But the dimension of cost and ads? Enshittify YouTube too much and suddenly Peertube has its place for anyone who cares about money or time (i.e everyone).
And Prime? Don't think people won't start just going to stores again, or buying directly from producers. At least if I go to an actual website to buy my stuff I don't need to worry about getting ripped off by some drop-ship fake brand garbage.
People love their little conveniences and will try to hang on to them, sure...but I think this could really start to backfire if they push it much further.
Shipping is still free if orders are over $35. Add to cart, order when you have enough. Their 2 day shipping has become bs these days anyhow. "It's 2 days from when the order is processed." I bought the shit, money came out of my account, it's processed. I have made a legal exchange with the expectation that your mutli billion company can place an order and box shit near immediately from 50+ warehouses. I order in the morning, and you're telling me it took you 2 days to get that order with a preprinted label onto a truck?
This depends heavily where you are. In urban areas the one day and overnight options have expanded quite a bit, but seemingly at the expense of rural two day options.
I think it's important to keep expectations realistic though..
in the case of Youtube there are very few groups/companies/whatever that could keep up with that kind of bandwidth. Federation helps here but it's still a pretty niche thing for 99% of people who don't know/care and just want their social media/forum/video site to work.
Yeah no denying YouTube is particularly hard to replace, hence why there's been nary a competitor even after all this time. I think paying for server upkeep could be a model that ekes out a victory...it would be drastically cheaper to users, and would come without ads or any of that other annoying junk. Ultimately someone needs to pay the bills, so it's not like I even blame YouTube for making you choose between ads or subscriptions. It's just when they push it further than that, always further, forever further and further...
I've been using Nebula, and I dig it. It's owned by the creators and there's no algorithm. Only sucks you can't really share since it's all paywalled. They have a guest pass but the person has to sign up so I doubt people would bother.
I had recently heard about that service for the first time and I do think it's a good step forward. But like you said, being properly walled off is a big miss w.r.t the ideal vision of Internet culture. I think that's why I like the idea of server bill crowdfunding (same model that Lemmy instances use basically). Some people need to step up and pay for it, and once a threshold is reached, the content is publicly available for all. But it's not like the people who pay are martyrs, since of course if nobody pays then the thing is lost entirely.
For a video hosting service, I feel like paywalling features is a good compromise, too. Once the bills are covered, everyone gets to enjoy ad-free, unsponsored videos... something along those lines would be preferable, at least to me since I feel like the openness of the internet is a great component to what makes it such a special place. Not that I mind private internet spaces either. I think both are important. So I think Nebula has a place in my personal utopian internet landscape too lol
You have a few options: - be EU citizen and sideload a cracked YouTube (similar to vanced, but you need certificates on iOS which sucks) - pay for a dev account and sideload regardless of above - buy two apps: vinegar and AdGuard. AdGuard speaks for itself, vinegar is a tool that forces YouTube to use the html 5 player inside of safari and thus forcing it to your will
I know iPhones are hated here, but I saw the android will stop sideloading coming from a mile away. At least here in the eu apple can suck one and I can still sideload whatever I want
You can sideload up to three apps without a paid dev account, they just expire in 7 days. Use something like AltStore (or better yet SideStore) and you have an easy way to install and re-sign two other apps. They also have the ability to essentially “offload” apps so you can have more than two other sideloaded apps, but only two can be active at a time (other than the signing app)
Ahh classic, punishing paying costumers while pirates don't have to deal with any of this shit. I guess the beatings will continue until profits increase!
Yeah and you are also already paying for a set number of people that can use the account so why would it make a difference where they live? My brother is still my family even if we don't live in the same state. They didn't call it a household plan
They don't care about whether they live with you or not. It's about providing less service than what you're paying for. Like how mobile carriers say, "unlimited data*" -- *after 25GB, we [may] slow your connection speed to 256kbps. So this way, it's "5 accounts*" -- *they must physically live with you. So now you're paying for 5 accounts, where 3 or 4 of them technically are unusable.
Why? Money. Those other people who you would have shared with now need to get their own account(s). Suddenly, "profits are through the roof!" -- until the next big squeeze. At this point, Google is squeezing its customers like a dry tube of toothpaste.
Sure, it takes a bit of effort. But if you replace your routers with ones that have open-source firmware or actual workstations acting as gateway routers and running business-class open-source software, you can create a personal VPN between everyone involved that shows only one exit point to world+dog.
The trick is with ensuring that all YouTube stuff gets properly and comprehensively funnelled through this exit node - VPNs can easily leak data if not configured properly, and sometimes do so despite good configs - and implementing this even on other devices that require individual VPN connectivity (roaming, like phones).
Plus, having a mobile device’s VPN auto-recognize when it’s connected to a known good network, and have it automatically disable itself in favour of the VPN on that network, is not something that’s easy to do.
Finally, doing so without a high-quality, high-speed ISP plan can easily lead to an unusably slow VPN. The “mothership” exit node, in particular, would have to be gigabit or better - and symmetrical as well, so fibre and not cable - because it has both the node and connections to other homes and devices. If everyone started suckling the YouTube teat at the same time, things would likely slow down pretty fast on anything significantly less than a symmetrical gigabit connection.
Seems there is a market for spoofing specific IP addresses out there. What if they don't know you are not at home? I ha e no clue how any of this works...
You just install tailscale on a home computer, tell it it's an exit node. Install tailscale on your phone and your laptop and whatever other computers you have.
Stripe CEO Patrick Collison said stablecoins are gaining adoption because they offer businesses faster, cheaper and more reliable payments than traditional systems.
Yeah, a national bank will for sure do it in a transparent, nondiscriminatory way /s
You'll be able to only use it using a closed app requiring google play services, safety net and with an account linked to your identity. Which means that either all your transactions are public and undeniably linked to you, or the blockchain is not transparent and open to manipulation. And they will find a way to "prevent terrorism and protect children" by blocking certain accounts.
We are talking about stable coins, which is on a blockchain. The app is not important, as the stable coins would have to integrate will alot of paying options and banks.
If it is on the national bank to provide this service, we would actually get more transparency than today.
lmao. Why do you think the world is choosing crypto over banks? Apart from a few privacy coins it's completely transparent. Far more transparent than any central bank. And that's just talking about transparency...
Studies show that sociopaths and psychopaths are better fits for CEO roles.
If you look at it from a strictly financial angle, Patrick Collison would get really wealthy from a US annexation of Canada as his company would get access to the very lucrative and deregulated US market.
You need to have zero conscience to take the best strictly financial decisions for a company, with no regard for suffering or human life.
I'll argue that calling them unintelligent dismisses their capacity for harm.
CEOs tend to be intelligent, cold and calculated. They will take whatever decision it takes to maximize profit, with complete disregard for human life. Even when they seemingly echo conspiracy theories, they generally do it with the end goal of increasing profits by pushing some narrative, for example.
We need to understand and acknowledge that they know exactly what they are doing, and that they and their companies need to be controlled using legislation. They will not be swayed by pity and emotions, they must be controlled by other means.
So I've been reading into stable coins a lot, because I don't understand why anyone would care about them. And what I've come to realize is they are a benefit to two groups:
Financial institutions: Stablecoins have fewer regulations and basically allow for things you can't do with actual dollars/currency
People with limited access to financial institutions (think poorer people and/or countries): With fewer regulations it's easier for people to transact Stablecoins than dollars/currency
At the end of the day, it feels like a "true" digital currency would be the better solution, but everyones jumping on Stablecoins because they're here now and less regulated.
I think there is potential in a more cash-like digital currency, but Stablecoins seem ripe to break in some unforseen way, especially given the current administration.
it feels like a “true” digital currency would be the better solution,
For whom?
everyones jumping on Stablecoins because they’re here now and less regulated.
Yeah. Nobody wants to wait around for an imaginary solution from the state. Nobody really wants the state violently attacking their lives. So yeah cryptos are a much better choice for most people and institutions.
For your first question, I think the average person would benefit from a simple digital currency that let's them exchange "cash" without having to jump through a bunch of hoops. Venmo, Zelle, etc. are all proof that normal people want easy ways to pay each other.
As for your second point, I'm not sure I follow. But I assume you're implying that crypto is better because it isn't tied to the state?
BEIRUT (AP) — Lebanon and Syria will form two committees to decide the fate of the nearly 2,000 Syrian prisoners held in Lebanese jails, locate Lebanese nationals missing in Syria for years and settle the shared unmarked border, judicial and security officials said.
Monday’s announcement came as a Syrian delegation, which included two former Cabinet ministers and the head of Syria’s National Commission for Missing Persons, visited Beirut, a first since insurgent groups overthrew Syrian President Bashar Assad’s government in early December.
Syria’s new administration, under interim President Ahmad al-Sharaa, wants to “open a new page” with Lebanon and pave the way for a visit by the Syrian ministers of foreign affairs and justice, though a date is yet to be set, a Lebanese judicial and two security officials told The Associated Press.
I won’t count on this being particularly productive. Most people in Lebanon are glad to see the old regime finally out of power but I don’t see any optimism about this one.
Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff said the use of AI agents had enabled him to “rebalance” his headcount in the customer support division by trimming 4,000 jobs.
“I’ve reduced it from 9,000 head to about 5,000 because I need less heads,” Benioff said.
Benioff called the first eight months of 2025, during which an estimated [10,000 jobs have been lost to AI] “eight of the most exciting months of my career.”
“There were more than 100 million leads that we have not called back at Salesforce in the last 26 years because we have not had enough people,” Benioff said. “We just couldn’t call them back. But we now have an agentic sales that is calling back every person that contacts us.”
The use of AI agents — artificial intelligence systems that plan and automate tasks that typically required human employees in the past — has enabled Salesforce to call back around 10,000 leads a week, Benioff said.
Salesforce, which is the largest private employer in San Francisco, has around 76,000 employees globally.
He's a CEO that's practically the job description under late stage capitalism. That and being an amoral piece of shit that would happily grind up children if there were no consequences and it would earn them 1% more profit.
North Korean leader Kim Jong Un is heading to Beijing by train on Tuesday to attend a military parade with his Chinese and Russian counterparts, North Korea’s state media reported. The event could demonstrate their potential three-way unity against the United States.
Kim and Russian President Vladimir Putin are among the 26 world leaders who’ll join Chinese President Xi Jinping to watch Wednesday’s massive military parade in Beijing that commemorates the 80th anniversary of the end of World War II and China’s fight against Japan’s wartime aggressions.
While the event would mark Kim’s first attendance of a major multilateral event during his 14-year rule, it would also be the first time for Kim, Xi and Putin, all key challengers of the U.S., to gather at the same venue. None of the leaders have confirmed a private trilateral meeting.
Police set up checkpoints across Jakarta on Monday after deadly protests that have forced Prabowo Subianto to remove perks include a housing allowance worth 10 times the minimum wage
It would be tough to be any women in sports right know because depending on what they dictate a women is will determine if she can compete. Like sports are all about genetics advantage at the highest level, be a women and have a bit to much testosterone oops to bad banned!
Inane Khelif is an example of transphobic hysteria getting out of hand. This poor woman is being demonized and accused of "being a man" because these fuckers don't think she's pretty or feminine enough. There's a misogyny angle too.
Women with a certain jaw shape, small breasts, muscular physique, tone of voice, etc. will be deliberately misgendered even if they have lived as cisgender their whole lives.
But in many ways, its nothing new. Girls who are tomboys or have short hair or wear loose jeans and hoodies have always been slandered for not being "girly" enough. It's just that trans is the current weapon of choice for conservatives looking to bully people.
This isn’t an example of transphobia getting out of hand. This is what it is. Just an excuse to bully people.
It's gatekeeping femininity. Think — when was the last time a TERF got upset about a cis woman being harassed or beaten-up for using a women's restroom but appearing too butch? Why aren't they upset when trans men (that they think are confused women) get beaten up for using the women's restroom?
Because people are way, way worse at spotting trans people than they think they are. And they’re really bad at statistics.
Cis women are literally half the population, so even if you assume 95% of cis women look so feminine that nobody could mistake them for male, that still means you’re roughly 10x more likely to run into a ‘masculine looking’ cis woman than a trans woman period, regardless of how masculine or feminine she looks to anyone.
Intersex is pretty common. She might know that she falls into that category and doesn’t want to provoke a debate which may go against her.
Buuut we should probably have that debate. The sooner a major athletic org has to admit that a strict gender binary is untenable, the sooner we can bulldoze that talking point from transphobes’ scripts.
If I remember correctly the tests themselves were questionable, with sketchy Russian interests involved. She might not even be intersex, simply caught up in a fucked up intersection of geopolitics and culture war bs.
He’s invading countries to create a buffer zone around Russia because we made diplomatic agreements with countries to create a buffer zone around Russia. I mean it’s clearly just tit for tat! /s
There’s been endless speculation about Putin’s health and that he has cancer, as far as I can tell just based on some grainy photographs and a lot of wishful thinking.
Honestly, considering the collapse of Russian military export delivery capacity and the fact that we’re now in the middle of alienating the vast majority of our allies, China and the EU stand to become WAY bigger players in the global weapons market.
Last month, Prime Minister Carney said many of Canada’s tariffs on the U.S., on goods that comply with the Canada-U.S.-Mexico trade agreement, will come down starting Sept. 1.
What shit reporting. What is the aggregate value of current American tarrifs on Canadian goods and services and what is the aggregate value of Canadian countertarrifs on American goods and services?
Journalism is dying and Global is anything but "news". They literally just quote what people say, without research or context or logic. Lazy bullshit.
I setup a Mastodon relay - anyone want to help me test by adding it to their instance? Would help me know if the "Recent jobs" stat is working (I think it requires 2 instances at minimum to show jobs) and if adding to instances (outside of my own) is working properly and how traffic looks.
I setup a Mastodon relay - anyone want to help me test by adding it to their instance? Would help me know if the "Recent jobs" stat is working (I think it requires 2 instances at minimum to show jobs) and if adding to instances (outside of my own) is working properly and how traffic looks.
The world's leading association of genocide scholars cited several actions by Israel, including attacks on the healthcare sector and the killing of children.
Nothing more classic than dragging their feet recognizing genocide until "oh shucks, it's to late to do anything; guess we don't have to take any accountability or make difficult decisions now" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I genuinely believe that the vast, vast majority of people on this planet who are aware of the situation in Gaza can see that it's a genocide and that Israel is criminal.
I don't have anything to base it on, but I just have a feeling that we've reached a turning point in how Israel is perceived globally. I don't know what that will mean in the future, but I think it'll mean something big.
A) yes the view is changing B) it's not going to be big because it's a small conflict in a tiny country. Could you elaborate what this is supposed to mean?
They are not going to be wiped off the map soon and neither are they going to reform their country and have peace for everyone.
Respectfully, I think you're repeating a widespread myth: this is not an immovable situation. Israel's system of apartheid is actually very cumbersome and expensive, and the country has been very weakened over the last two years. It really isn't hard for me to see this government collapse in the next three years.
It's hard for israel to completely crash when the usa is still sending billions to israel and the west is still not willing to sanctions isrsel itself cuba style. People are still votibg for people still claiming that israel has the right to defend itself against the people it occupy
Israel has clearly lost most of the Democratic voter base. They're losing conservatives too, but it's really hard to overstate the importance of losing Democratic support. American Jews are increasingly unwilling to support the Zionist project, and Israel has always depended greatly on international support for everything from financial assistance to providing the actual Jewish bodies who are needed to actually move into settlements and birth more Israeli Jews.
We're not far from a day when Israel loses access to their US weapons and tech infrastructure. But their economy was never designed to work without American Jews visiting and moving to Israel.
Personally, I'd like to see the international community force the adoption of a democratic one state solution. And I think that's no less far-fetched than something like a return to the previous status quo.
Losing the base means nothing if we keep voting for pro isrsel leaders. I am not going to get fooled by actions like a meanless palestinian state recognition with no security guarentees and no army to defend itself or sanctions 1 or 2 predominent settlers
I really don't think the next Democratic president will be a Zionist.
It's like abortion and guns. There used to be pro-gun Democrats and anti abortion Democrats, but culture changed and those are no longer positions you can hold off you want to get elected to any position.
In 2028, defending Palestinian genocide is going to be as electorally viable as saying abortions should be "safe, legal, and rare".
Sorry did not know that was a supremacist. I just remembered that quote from somewhere. Regardless of the source, it rings true. Be it Israel, trump, religion, etc.
Just looked up the Wikipedia article. That guy was seriously fucked up. My bad.
Whoever downvoted you is wrong. You made a mistake, owned up, and learned from it. That is admirable. More power to your elbow, friend. (And always look up the people you're quoting!)
My only wish is that Americans would shut up and get in the back of the line as they only cheapen any attempt to help Palestine. My country got wrecked by Americans who are now moralizing and being the world police again. I wish they would just sit down and let another country lead the charge.
I mean if it's any consolation, America under the leadership of Trump or Vance isn't going to do jack shit to help Palestine or anyone else. They're literally fucking over their own people and telling them that empathy is a sickness.
Rest assured if any country is going to be leading the charge it won't be America. The entire country is on the verge of complete collapse. I would actually be more surprised if it doesn't happen at this point. It's pretty much inevitable. That's not hyperbole, collapse of the U.S. and democracy and division into smaller city state monarchies is literally the goal of this administration. If that happens, North Korea levels of isolationist policy is the only possible outcome.
We need to rebuild the UN from scratch, start over. This time, no veto rights for anyone. This time, give the fucker teeth. Give it the atrong Army it needs. If some dictator, be it a Korean one, a Chinese one, a European one, a Russia one, or an American one, decides to behave like an asshole we can send the actual world police on their asses, and this time it will be a police that is guided by ALL of humanity, not just a rich few assholes that can buy a politician to veto anything useful the UN could decide.
Fuck Israel. It's time to forget what happened in 1940-45 and realise that Israel is doing the exact thing that the nazis used to do against anyone who they didn't like. Israel does not like any Palestinian. So let's be honest here and forget history for a minute and look at what is happening in Gaza. Hamas is rotten to the core but Israel is looking even worse now. Also, why aren't any Arab countries doing something to end this instead of staying on the sidelines?
You can't point to the IDF and say, 'Hey! Look! See how they're doing the same shit Nazis did??' if people aren't well informed about all the shit that Nazis did.
Yes, I understand that. Which is why it would be a mistake to forget it.
It's not coincidental that the Holocaust is our most useful case study in understanding and explaining Israel's crimes against Palestinians. If you want to oppose genocide, it is a mistake to try to do so by "forgetting" about a genocide.
Remembering previous genocides is an important part of preventing/halting genocides.
Idk, maybe we should let Isreal kill another 10th of Palestine's population just to make sure this is a real genocide and not some light ethnic cleansing.
Everybody says that Israel is committing genocide. Even some Republicans are boasting about it, even the Israeli government is boasting about it without using the word specifically.
At this point you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that would deny it's a genocide, except for using the word
Israeli govt has been pretty clear that it wants to occupy and depopulate the whole region. The perp openly admits the crime, and still the US, UK, Germany line up to send them the funding, weapons, and diplomatic cover to commit it. Despicable state of affairs.
Because the US and UK are denying it and their worldwide media conglomerate mouthpieces are spreading disinformation. And every time Israel opens their mouth it’s to call people antisemitic for suggesting it.
Because everything that is the state and institutions is a-ok in the minds of liberals and neoliberals.
Also if this shit does blow over and the media says 'actually there was an unacceptable genocide going on long before this!' The people who tacticly supported it and were always talking about civility snd debate will claim that they were always vehemently against it...
Meanwhile they will claim that activists who were always against it to have been stupid idiots who just wanted an excuse to break things and not go to work like adults and they were actually for the genocide! Thus their arrests and criminal charges will stay and they will continue to have their credibility attacked.
How will this survive the 4 year election cycle? It’s going to be a larger than Iraq wreck between administrations, especially when I really don’t feel Americans are interested.
Publicity stunts aren't meant to directly affect something, but indirectly. Last floatilla had barely any supplies for Palestine, seems like they themselves realize that they're not getting in, but this would cause another media wave.
dat-ecosystem is a post-web p2p community of projects - Most projects are self funded. Some of the projects contribute maintainance and development to core pieces of the Dat ecosystem while others create high level applications built on top of p2p pr…
Agregore, a browser for the distributed web, facilitates peer-to-peer data sharing without central servers, supporting protocols like BitTorrent and IPFS for direct loading and sharing of content.
So instead of putting stuff (like my webpage) on a server, I share it P2P? But then my computer has to run 24/7 which basically makes it a server, right?
IIRC from when I tried this before, I think anyone who views the page then hosts it too. I'm not sure if there's systems in place to stop the storage used ballooning, surely there are.
Anche noi vogliamo dare il nostro contributo per UnoRadio – la musica condivisa nei social network decentralizzati italiani.
Forse per il pubblico mainstream non sarà la migliore interpretazione di questo brano ma, per quella che è la nostra storia personale, qui c’è dentro anche un po’ di noi.
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Spätestens jetzt sollte dem dümmsten klar sein, wenn die ganzen #gafam #techbros u.a. diesem Typen (Psycho) huldigen und fein weiter unsere Daten Missbrauchen.
In 2015, Graber began working as a software engineer for SkuChain in Mountain View, California. She then worked in a factory in Moses Lake, Washington, where she soldered bitcoin mining equipment. In 2016, she began working as a junior developer for the Zcash cryptocurrency.
So lately I have been trying to figure out why people are calling BlueSky decentralized and I noticed that fun fact. It made me realize how cryptocurrencies are something else that was often technically "decentralized" but in reality controlled by a single person or group.
In case it's also not known, Jack Dorsey who helped found BlueSky is a big cryptocurrency booster.
Because however one feels about blockchain tech and its future, past companies within the crypto industry are notorious for selling the moon, being shady, and cashing out early. 'ZCash' appears to be a good example, particularly because a small group exerts such a high level of control over it.
And if the parallel holds, and at least some of that applies Jay Gaeber's own personal experience and expectations of what a company's trajectory should look like, it doesn't bode well for Bluesky.
Because the claims of people involved with cryptocurrency are historically very untrustworthy, that's why.
The thing that got me interested is that BlueSky says it's "decentralized" but the more I look into it, it's only "decentralized" using a very narrow, highly technical definition of the term "decentralized".
Cryptocurrency is the same. People with a financial stake in cryptocurrency often say it is "decentralized" but it's only true if you accept their extremely narrow definitions of what that word means.
As I brought up in the title of my post, she's currently the highest level role at a morally questionable company. She has a pattern of behavior of working at morally questionable companies.
You weren't talking about that, you only brought up the crypto role, you made it the title of the post. You want to talk about blue sky alone? Make a separate post about that. Her junior engineer experience in crypto is an irrelevant footnote in her career.
We all have bills at the end of the day, and I'm a firm believer that there are no moral companies. I'd love to drop everything and work for a non profit who only does good, but turns out my bank still expects me to pay the mortgage.
started my career as a developer working for an adult entertainment industry company (porn) so yeah. Everything I know today is from titties and the bang bus.
I did one years ago on Reddit and someone made a youtube video out of it without my permission that went semi-viral so I'm sure it's on there somewhere. Just youtube something like "Reddit porn industry AMA"
that's so shitty, I'm sorry they stole your content. Well, if you ever decide to do one here I couldn't promise someone wouldn't do it, but it'd be much less likely
I keep seeing people ask why people call Bluesky decentralised. I never see people call Bluesky decentralised.
(Okay, "never" isn't quite correct, I've seen the term used in relation to Bluesky maybe a handful of times but you make it sound like that's their main selling point)
Originally funded by Twitter, the decentralized social media service Bluesky is opening up to more users. CEO Jay Graber says Elon Musk banning links to Twitter competitors is “exactly why what we’re building is important.”
Bluesky now exceeds 13 million users, the AT Protocol developer ecosystem continues to grow, and we’ve shipped highly requested features like direct messages and video.
For me the mistrust on bluesky started when it was so easily adopted as "twitter" alternative, mastodon being just there struggling for that.
In order to achieve that a lot of money and influence have been moved around. People didn't organically moved, they were influenced to move there. I don't trust that.
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The US naval buildup off Venezuela's coast is not about drug interdiction, but imperial pressure. Caracas's response, grounded in asymmetric defense and bolstered by key Eurasian alliances, has transformed a lopsided showdown into a contest of global…
Oh, I misunderstood. So you mean federating with their network from other software implementing the AT Protocol? From skimming the docs it looks like it should be possible as long as you implement the correct schemas, but I didn’t dive very deep.
No it doesn't. If other people on bluesky servers want to see your content then obviously it will go through bluesky servers, but if you connect to a 3rd party relay and use a separate appview like zeppelin.social and use DID:Web for account ID then nothing involving the bluesky servers was used and it still behaves like native
PDSes only store user data. These are full instances that can be used to browse the network. The idea is to make your account really yours. Bluesky is hosting most of them. But there are some people who do it on their own.
But bluesky controls much more important components in the network, namely the Relay and AppView.
If Bluesky decides to cut off your PDS you are pretty much alone.
Bluesky is pretty much a centralized platform like Twittler.
Moderation is a crucial aspect of any social network. However, traditional moderation systems often lack transparency and user control, leaving communities vulnerable to sudden policy changes and potential mismanagement.
This is an update to a Summer 2024 blog post. At the time, atproto relays required a cache of the full network on local disk to validate data structures. With the Sync v1.1 updates, relays don't need all that disk I/O.
Because silicon valley thinks it can define reality however it wants and keep telling us not to believe our lying eyes.
Weirdly this seems to work better on techy people who don't like thinking about politics but understand the technical details of this extremely well than it does on normie progressives because progressives just see the obvious predatory reality and don't get distracted in minutiae connected to very obviously empty promises.
The tech press does not ever talk to progressives though...
I'm with you. To my knowledge all my irl woke friends ride only mainstream social media.
I had a local anarchist reach out to me on my ancient FB Messenger of all things.
I get that it's not the most important part if you're doing prefiguration, but as far as I can tell most people just want to be where most people are, even if it is supporting actually vile corporations.
Unfortunately not understanding or being sufficiently motivated by the threat of corporate social media is still prevalent among a good amount of lefties I know, but I find even when they are uninterested in leaving corporate social media they can at least understand the logic behind it in a way a lot of techy type people start to just get combatitive when you try to explain.
Most often when I have a conversation about this with someone who is very technically well versed with computers and the types of systems that are relevant to federated social media their response is to answer every one of my broader ethical questions by changing the topic to a conversation about technical details and they either utterly miss the point or outright refuse to have a discussion about it because they think I am being too cynical.
Ultimately these people only have one real argument which is to just repeat the mantra "stop being so negative, lets just wait and see before we jump to conclusions" endlessly about the same cycle of bullshit repeating over and over again.
this seems to work better on techy people who don't like thinking about politics but understand the technical details
Not weird at all; this was the case with cryptocurrency too. Otherwise qualified and intelligent people would invest in centralized scam coins because they had no understanding of economics, just tech.
It's sad but cool that it works the same way with social capital.
Intelligence and expertise is worth pursuing for the benefit that comes from learning for the sake of learning, but it is true that there is a danger to knowing more and more about a very narrow subject in that it becomes more and more seductive to believe that the thing you are an expert in is a key to understanding everything else and that this gives you a righteous vantage to look down upon the genius of others and judge from afar.
Some of the smartest people there has ever been or likely will ever be throughout history have time and time again completely undermined their potential by falling prey to this delusional drug of a belief.
I feel like this speaks to an unchallenged myth in our society. That corporate organizations and government organizations are somehow completely categorically different from one another such that they exist in totally separate spheres of reality. But they're both political groups of people, exercising power over the peasants. It's not as different as people think. And they often have similar goals and use similar strategies, like propaganda, to achieve them.
Because, despite being wildly impractical, it's technically built on tech that COULD be decentralized. Only recent a new host launched called Black sky. So it is no longer just one host. But it's been one host for so long it almost doesn't matter because so few people will switch.
Because, despite being wildly impractical, it’s technically built on tech that COULD be decentralized.
Yes exactly, it reminds me of the logic of cryptocurrency boosters. I just found out that the bluesky CEO (not to mention jack dorsey) are both crypto advocates so it makes a lot more sense now.
In 2015, Graber began working as a software engineer for SkuChain in Mountain View, California. She then worked in a factory in Moses Lake, Washington, where she soldered bitcoin mining equipment. In 2016, she began working as a junior developer for the Zcash cryptocurrency.
So lately I have been trying to figure out why people are calling BlueSky decentralized and I noticed that fun fact. It made me realize how cryptocurrencies are something else that was often technically "decentralized" but in reality controlled by a single person or group.
In case it's also not known, Jack Dorsey who helped found BlueSky is a big cryptocurrency booster.
Doesn't BS have things in it's software that are hard coded to the main server, so it's not possible to make a completely independent host at the moment?
This is an update to a Summer 2024 blog post. At the time, atproto relays required a cache of the full network on local disk to validate data structures. With the Sync v1.1 updates, relays don't need all that disk I/O.
Technically, yes, if you squint; but, practically, no. It was designed with a prioritization of passing the information/data around to avoid any lack of missing anything (so you get a closer experience to the connectedness of Twitter than Mastodon) which means every instance hosts, basically, the entire world. Naturally, there's only going to be a few entities that can store and afford to store the entirety of the data of the network. There's no such thing as a small instance, in their protocol.
In July 2024, running a Relay on ATProto already required 1 terabyte of storage. But more alarmingly, just a four months later in November 2024, running a relay now requires approximately 5 terabytes of storage. That is a nearly 5x increase in just four months, and my guess is that by next month, we'll see that doubled to at least ten terabytes due to the massive switchover to Bluesky which has happened post-election. As Bluesky grows in popularity, so does the rate of growth of the expected resources to host a meaningfully participating node.
This is an update to a Summer 2024 blog post. At the time, atproto relays required a cache of the full network on local disk to validate data structures. With the Sync v1.1 updates, relays don't need all that disk I/O.
They fixed the large cache needed to validate all traffic on your own relay. Now the cost is mostly bandwidth and whatever CPU power you want to spend on indexing
It's where the useful idiots are being herded. They are using it because it's "not twitter" and other people are influencing them. They don't care about decentralization.
Would have been nice if they went to Mastodon, but I wouldn't call them idiots. I don't use that media format, but if there isn't a lot of users there, I cant see the service being that useful to the users who do go there. It's like Lemmy struggles with niches. Not enough people, want to find something or ask someone about something, you'll hit a wall and find yourself looking for results elsewhere. Someday hopefully, but that movement from Twitter would have been a great time for activity pub to shine if it hadn't gotten skipped over
Because Bluesky claims that they want to develop their relay tech into a standard like HTTPS or something, and then hand it off to a nonprofit to maintain so that it's usable by everyone. The tech has the possibility to be decentralized/federated baked into it, but whether or not it will be anything other than a pipe dream/marketing hype has yet to really be seen.
They present themselves as basically a Lemmy.world equivalent to those who care about decentralization, which is not a significant portion of their user base. For most people it's just a buzzword, I believe.
Wasn't there a similar promise made by Reddit at some point? I remember people referring it to often until it became just some myth ... and then at one point, people just realized it was never going to change and then it became a full blown private corporation that wanted an IPO and became a monolith that never even considered sharing anything.
I honestly have no idea, that would be going much farther back in Reddit's history than I was on the platform for. It reminds me of Google's "Don't Be Evil" motto, though. It's true until somebody realizes that there's a lot of money to be made doing the thing that you said you wouldn't do.
This site currently measures the concentration of user data for active users: in the Fediverse, this data is on servers (also known as instances); in the Atmosphere, it is on the PDSes that host users' data repos. All PDSes run by the company Bluesky Social PBC are aggregated in this dataset, since they are under the control of a single entity. Similarly, mastodon.social and mastodon.online are combined as they are run by the same company.
If your idea of a federated Twitter is a bunch of mini-Twitters that sometimes exchange indirect replies or something, then the Fediverse fulfills that purpose completely. Mission accomplished, we can all go home now.
If your idea is that the replies to every post look the same to any user, anywhere, at any time, even the thing Mastodon merged half a year ago that supposedly fetches all replies if you remember to navigate to the topmost post, and wait up to 15 minutes for your view of the thread to coalesce, falls short.
And this is why hosting Mastodon is cheap, it fundamentally cannot provide the functionality BlueSky offers. Of course, you might think that such functionality is not desirable anyway, and that's entirely fair. But if you're looking for the immediacy that centralized Twitter gave users, I don't see a way for Fedi to ever provide that, whereas there is a path to BlueSky decentralization. It's a fact that your UX is diminished if all of your followers and followeds are not on the same instance.
If your idea is that the replies to every post look the same to any user, anywhere, at any time
This is only true of Bluesky because everyone is using Bluesky's infrastructure at the moment. If Bluesky ever deindexes someone and they start posting to an alternative relay, you suddenly don't have a guarantee of a full view of a post's replies.
Content addressing means you can make your instance pull from both their relay and the bluesky relay and trivially merge threads and views without consistency issues, so that's solvable.
The bigger issue is all those other regular users who doesn't, and still get confused (unless they manage to pick a client app that does it for them)
I mean, this would become less trivial the more replays go into use, where to get a full view you'd have to pull from all the relays that exist.
ActivityPub's solution to this is just IMO better, the original post has a replies collection attached to it that acts as the authority the replies the post has. This also allows creators to eject replies from the collection. There are issues with the way fedi software currently handles fetching from these reply collections, but the missing replies thing is very solvable in ActivityPub.
Doing it this way is why small instances gets hammered when a user's post goes viral.
And as for moderation bluesky also carries information with the top post from the post author and allows hiding replies too, etc. This gets enforced on the appview side, so the posting user's PDS is unscathed if it goes viral.
Bluesky is built to assume a handful of big relay (remember that a relay can merge in contents of another) and a bunch of appview and a ton of PDS servers, feed generators, moderation labelers, etc.
Realistically, the relay network will likely end up voluntarily adopting a tree topology - hobbyist communities would run small relays bundling all activity from members' PDS servers, then a larger relay in front gathers everything from a ton of smaller relays and makes it available to appviews
Doing it this way is why small instances gets hammered when a user’s post goes viral.
Setting up caching in the reverse proxy layer would alleviate this a lot of this. Like, GoToSocial only recommends to set up caching for the key and webfinger endpoints, where having it set up to cache posts and profiles for like 60 seconds (or however long the Cache-Control header says, Mastodon defaults to 180s) would alleviate the strain on the server so much.
There are other thing you can do, like this post explains some other things for Misskey, but the defaults should be sensible so you don't have to be a sysadmin expert to host an instance and they're currently not. I host 2 Lemmy instances (ukfli.uk and sappho.social) from a £5/month VPS and they're able to handle bursts of hundreds of requests without issue.
Bluesky is built to assume a handful of big relay (remember that a relay can merge in contents of another) and a bunch of appview and a ton of PDS servers, feed generators, moderation labelers, etc.
People are already building small, non-archival relays so this assumption seems mute. It's also important to remember that relays are an optimisation, not a core part of the protocol.
i'm so tired of these posts. okay, fediverse, you won! you are more decentralized than bluesky. maybe it's time to create real useful and interesting content instead of reveling in your elitism?
first, no, it's fair to say regardless of how often i create content. posts like this is cancer, which adds nothing to the platform. second, even on this account my last post was 1 month ago.
I mean I agree... it's kind of the constant crux isn't it?
The IT nerds pick a protocol that's uncontrolled, you need to select options and servers, because... well obviously that's kind of the definition of uncontrolled.
Some big name with big VC backing makes a big platform, makes it simple as possible, no choices, no control but good defaults. Average joes all flock there, build huge communities, users happy. Obviously the bulk of the creative types, celebrities etc... that most people care about flock there.
Big corp or VCs start demanding more monetization, or political censorship, or whatever kind of enshittification they inevitably always will. Users complain, but it all continues to amplify... open communities announce "hey we've got our alternative here", they say "thanks but nah that's too complicated, and you don't have the users that I want to see anyway". People complain more... and either adapt and accept the enshitification as normal... or maybe another big VC backed individual or other corp opens an alternative and pulls off the impossible critical mass goal, and process repeats.
I don't really know the solution, just know the pattern. Bluesky is IMO the new twitter... fundimentally I don't see it as super different than the old twitter. Only way I really see everything working is if say... a corporate backed giant actually played nicely and allowed interoperability with a federated protocol that's actually... well hostable.
It's basically like exactly what happens out in the real world... walmart comes offers better convenience and lower prices than local competitors... local economy adapts to walmart, individual stores shut down... half of owners, etc... forced to working for walmart for garbage pay.
I think the difference is that while other services boom and bust, the fediverse keeps growing slowly because it is decentralized, and can't be enshittified in the same way.
It is not as easy or attractive as Bluesky right now, but it keeps growing slowly and getting more kinds of people.
Maybe it won't be the network of choice for journalists, metal celebrities, etc, like twitter and bluesky, but it already is making its way as something more like old school tumblr -- some people like it, some don't.
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Wouldn't that work more with a client or a server software than the protocol itself? The protocol shares the posts. It's the client and the instance which chooses what the user sees.
It's possible I'd say. The fediverse is very cool in how much choice it gives you without limiting who you interact with too much (except lemmy where you cannot follow users)
It's doable on Mastodon but significantly more complicated.
You need crawlers to index posts across the Fediverse (and avoid getting them blocked), personalized recommendation models per user, and you need pre-emptive caching on the user's instance for anything recommended (ideally the crawler would make a cache on behalf of each of the opted-in users' instances, but without content addressing this is a security risk). You also need to poll for edits / deletions.
On Mastodon, your instance doesn't receive posts until somebody on your instance interacts with the account posting it (following the poster, browsing directly to the post, etc).
Feeds with recommendations requires fetching stuff in advance to not be slow and janky. Basically the feed service would need a bot account on your instance and retrieving all popular posts, given the current architecture. Having thousands of these bots across every instance do this would cause a significant performance hit on smaller Mastodon instances when one of their users posts something popular. So you need something different, like a server plugin where the bot fetches the content once and tells all participating Mastodon servers about their cached copy, so they don't all have to hit the hosting instance. But that's a security risk with the Mastodon design.
Private posts is planned, but it's not trivial. Mastodon can't exactly brag about their nonintuitive technically just not broadcasted posts, where multiple implementations keep making private messages publicly discoverable due to bugs.
What kind of implementations do you mean? The last time I heard of such a thing (a few years ago), it was fixed within a few hours, and was on a dev instance
Federation requires openness and that goes badly with secrecy. You can argue that one has to trust instance owners anyway, but knowing the users and not just the tallies makes uncovering manipulation easier.
It's doable with E2E encryption, but lots of social stuff in large groups requires coordination which is incredibly hard to with a server that has no knowledge of what the data is because it can't index anything, etc.
They're implementing E2E encrypted social stuff. Voting privacy and encryption is linked.
Especially when you have users across multiple servers and both want voting privacy AND being able to deal with vote manipulation. You need stuff like pseudonymous commitments per account attested to by the hosting instance, etc. The only thing that's simpler but still private is having instances just digitally sign a total vote tally, which also means you can't detect vote manipulation on other servers at all.
I can check if my votes are federated correctly by checking if any of my votes are suppressed or votes in my name are made up. If my instance sends a different random token with each vote, I can still do that, as long as I know which tokens are assigned to my votes.
But vote tallies can also be manipulated by making up new votes through fake/bot accounts. If a vote can be connected to posts, this can be checked to some degree. Say, if an instance has a lot of voters that never post, that indicates a problem.
The very very short TLDR is that anonymization is very hard, but there's auditable cryptographic voting schemes which preserves anonymity by using anonymous cryptographic commitments and one of a bunch of different techniques to count encrypted votes (homomorphic encryption, threshold encryption, etc).
You could set it up so you know which server each set of votes comes from but not which users on the server. You could also make it prove each vote comes from one real account and that no account voted twice. You could even make use of commitments plus ZKP to prove banned accounts can't vote!
It sounds complicated because it is complicated. And somewhat inefficient. But it's possible. And it would be fully encrypted and anonymous voting.
A discoverable non-banned account. Not from "ghost accounts". If a server creates a massive amount of accounts to use them to vote, you can see that a small server has a disproportionate amount of registered accounts too, which probably will be otherwise inactive. Then you can reject votes from that server.
I assume it proves that there is a public key associated with each vote.
It doesn't sound like cryptography is able to add anything worthwhile. You have to trust the instance to police itself. Self-hosted instances still don't vote anonymously.
A group of users has to cooperate to hide their votes from others and each other. Only the tally is known, but you have to trust the group. On the Fediverse, such a group will be the users of an instance. The more users the instance has, the more anonymous the individual becomes.
You have to trust the instance admins to weed out bots and sock puppets, which is extra hard when they don't see the votes either. Presumably, compensating by collecting and keeping other data, such as IPs, for longer is undesirable. You have to believe that admins, volunteers all, are willing to do the extra work and that they don't actually favor manipulation for ideological reasons.
The only way to uncover untrustworthy instances is to look at aggregated data. I guess you'd have to get/scrape data for some community and then analyze by instance if the number of posters is out of whack with the number of voters. I wonder if anyone's ever done such a thing. It's certainly more challenging than looking at oddities among voters who brigade some topic.
Admins of large instances could get away with having many sock voters among the real users, if they wanted to manipulate discussions for, say, ideological reasons.
Im trying to get more content on a few hobby communities on lemmy. I’m not really a big poster. I love to comment. But I’m willing to go through and start trying to build some momentum.
It is my understanding Bluesky outright is not decentralized. It may have an API that allows satellite instances but if the main official instance goes down the platform dies.
Mastodon, Lemmy and their siblings are decentralized in that no one instance is sacred. If sh.ijust.works were to go offline right now, the rest of Lemmy would keep right on trucking. Hell, all of "Lemmy" could die and Mastodon and Peertube et al would keep right on trucking.
ok, but, does ActivityPub have portable identity and/or content addressability yet, so that when some of those servers (which are often hobbyist-run and/or tenuously funded) inevitably cease operating their users can continue on a different server? 👀
It's a rhetorical question, and the answer is no.
otoh, atproto's PLC DID method is also not really decentralized... but at least the rest of their system is actually substantially more decentralized architecturally than AP is.
To anyone interested in reading a very informative in-depth discussion of this topic, I recommend the blog post How decentralized is Bluesky really? by ActivityPub co-author Christine Lemmer-Webber (followed by this and this).
This is a reply to Christine Lemmer-Webber's thoughtful (and widely read) "How decentralized is Bluesky really?" blog post.
I am so happy and grateful that Christine took the time to write up her thoughts and put them out in public.
... but at least the rest of their system is actually substantially more decentralized architecturally than AP is.
In the blog post you linked, neither the author or myself came to your conclusion:
However, I stand by my assertions that Bluesky is not meaningfully decentralized and that it is certainly not federated according to any technical definition of federation we have had in a decentralized social network context previously. To claim that Bluesky is decentralized or federated in its current form moves the goalposts of both of those terms, which I find unacceptable.
There is one other thing which Bluesky gets right, and which the present-day fediverse does not. This is that Bluesky uses content-addressed content, so that content can survive if a node goes down. In this way (well, also allegedly with identity, but I will critique that part because it has several problems), Bluesky achieves its "credible exit" (Bluesky's own term, by the way) in that the main node or individual hosts could go down, posts can continue to be referenced. This is possible to also do on the fediverse, but is not done presently; today, a fediverse user has to worry a lot about a node going down. indeed I intentionally fought for and left open the possibility within ActivityPub of adding content-addressed posts, and several years ago I wrote a demo of how to combine content addressing with ActivityPub. But nonetheless, even though such a thing is spec-compatible with ActivityPub, content-addressing is not done today on ActivityPub, and is done on Bluesky.
My comment should have been clearer; what I meant when i said it is more "decentralized architecturally" I was referring to the data model part of the architecture as opposed to the physical server infrastructure currently operating it. The latter is obviously quite centralized still, but the former is designed for resilience against nodes unexpectedly (and permanently) failing.
Okay yes this makes sense. Although, honestly i think I'd prefer the AP method of doing it because BlueSky sends ALL content to all nodes, so it's MUCH less cost effective to join with a private server.
I run my own lemmy instance, so i know the data volume since 2023 has been probably like a terabyte or so. But, with BlueSky I'd have to account for the data volume of all users on the platform as a whole, bringing the data volume way up to tens of terabytes (a guess based almost entirely on nothing).
So it really boils down to yes I agree that AP has problems with data accessibility, but I'd prefer that over unnecessary data redundancy
with BlueSky I’d have to account for the data volume of all users on the platform as a whole, bringing the data volume way up to tens of terabytes
I think this is a common misconception based on some critics' incorrect assumptions and back-of-the-envelope math. See the atproto overview for the different components involved, and then this post (from a BlueSky employee) "A Full-Network Relay for $34 a Month" for some numbers.
If I understand correctly, to run a "full nework relay" does mean to consume all of the text posts from all known servers, but not necessarily all of the media, and not necessarily to keep data you aren't interested in for any long period of time.
Also, you can run your own PDS and/or App Views without running your own relay at all. And, you can also use multiple other people's relays.
Disclaimer: I'm not an atproto expert, and I haven't set any of this up myself.
So like when bluesky starts having to pay back their investors I can portable my identity to.... one of the other equally populated blueskies out there?
We're counting hypotheticals as real now? I suppose your not-hypothetical girlfriend goes to another school too, right? Just not motivated to visit?
As you're no doubt aware, the reason 99.9% of bluesky users are on a single server is obviously not because "nobody is motivated" to create other servers.
I'm just going to respond to what you said before you edited your comment to be a reaction gif.
Since (as of November of last year) a majority of Bluesky's user base is non-technical, they have don't have the knowledge or motivation to switch to another PDS. If 30 million users joined mastodon.social, the fediverse would also be centralized.
The only way for Bluesky to be decentralized by the metrics you use is for them to force users onto other PDSes.
this is where there can be disagreement, specifically if someone wants help with an issue they don't care if the person is great thunburg or x_h1tt1er42069_x they just want a solution
I’m just not wasting my time trying to have a conversation with x_h1tt1er42069_x. I can find him at anytime on Reddit if I have a problem that only he has a Solution.
Having such a person in this community wouldn’t be an enjoyable experience.
I'm always shocked by the number of of BlueSky fans that show up on Lemmy. If they don't care about centralization why are they here and not on Reddit?
Because they've been told it's federated and don't understand that it really isn't. My bluesky profile reads "Created a profile until you all figure out Bluesky is another Twitter."
All I use it for is to read post from people not on mastodon and to reshare my bridged posts from mastodon.
Most likely because they care less about the idea of federated platforms and more about "not Reddit" and "not Twitter." I'm one of those users personally (not that I don't care about the idea, it's good to have a return of what is effectively 3rd places of the internet). Most of them, like me, probably came here during the Reddit migration and moved to BlueSky when that took off in popularity.
If I didn't dislike the Twitter format as much, I'd probably spend more time on BlueSky than forgetting about it until one of these threads appears, and I'd probably be on Tumblr still if I didn't only use social media from my phone and Tumblr didn't have such a horrible app.
People are going to go where the people are, for better or worse, until something pisses them off enough to go somewhere else. I originally created a Twitter account to follow a bunch of artists I followed who left Tumblr during the porn ban. I didn't care for the platform (I hate the tweet format) but that was where all the artists went so I followed. Similarly, when the 3rd party api fiasco hit Reddit, I left and immediately went looking for where the people from the subs I read by "newest posts first" went - except the communities fractured and disappeared. It was the possibility of them reforming here that made me go through a GitHub to figure out how to make an account (spoiler: they never really did reform). I had no idea what a federated platform was supposed to be or do.
The fact that Lemmy is so niche is its biggest advantage and its biggest curse. You either love how small it is, like Reddit back in the day, or you suffer the lack of population for the things that you're into, and the very nature of the federated platform makes it that much harder to centralize enough people in one niche to form a community (there we go again - centralization). Lemmy is the Wild West frontier town to the big social media giants' company towns.
Oh yeah sure. I'm here after all, jumped ship from Reddit a year or so ago and I actually prefer Lemmy.
I jumped ship from twitter to mastodon around the same time. And while I like the idea of mastodon and I like the interface, fact is that Reddit / lemmy is a different sort of usage from twitter / bluesky / mastodon. Twitter I mostly used to keep up with my favourite content creators, and occasionally shout at clouds. Those content creators just aren't on mastodon, they've mostly moved to bluesky. Those are the users that are the foundation of a platform like that. So yeah, I use lemmy and bluesky now.
TBH I'm not sure mastodon could scale up big anyway - it would be a nightmare trying to regulate bad content and comply with local laws etc.
Alternate history: Bluesky never happens. Instead, some company opens up a Mastodon instance as a Twitter replacement. So instead of Bluesky with 12M+ users, there's a Mastodon instance with 12M+ users. Now what?
How do you algorithmically manipulate those 12M people with Mastodon?
The usual way, whatever that is. What would Mastodon do about it? How do you manipulate Bluesky?
BTW, Bluesky has almost 40M users.
It's the number in OP, so I ran with that. The fediverse number apparently excludes Gab and Truth Social. Makes sense, since those aren't federated with the rest, but that also shows an issue.
The economy is also global, so, no. I mean, some indigenous people living as they have for a long time might be ok for a while. And I'd include some of the subsistance farmers from the poorer countries of the world, they still have the right skills. Everyone else, no.
Oh right of course, the economy being globalized also means everyone everywhere has the same standard of living, perfectly equally distributing resources despite massive local and regional differences in geography, culture, populatiion density, thank god communism has been achieved.
Also, of course, climate change will just have precisely the same climatic effects over all of these highly varied areas.
And finally, it certainly will not be the case that industrialized and militarized technologically advanced societies will displace and dispose of any indigenous populations on now relatively fertile land, nor will poor subsistence farmers who already live on extremely thin margins be obliterated by the slightest breach of those margins... or just physically displaced by rising sea levels or floods or fires literally permanently destroying the land they work.
No, there are just no historical precedents for anything like that, no.
Climate change was even mentioned in a mainstream movie in 1958. Specifically, “Indiscreet,” a charming romantic comedy starring two of Hollywood’s biggest stars of the time, Cary Grant and Ingrid Bergman.
In this innocuous scene, the two lead characters (Philip and Anna) have recently met and are out on their first date. To break the tense, awkward silence during a painfully long elevator ride, Anna attempts to make casual small talk with Philip.
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INT. ELEVATOR:
ANNA: It’s unusual for the weather to be so muggy this time of year.
PHILIP: Yes, I read an article the other day that claimed the world’s weather was changing.
ANNA: Really? That’s interesting.
PHILIP: Yes, isn’t it?
———— Yes, Philip, it IS interesting. And you should’ve shared that article with Anna’s brother-in-law, the diplomat! Then we might not all BE in this situation…Philip! 😡
The first mentions of climate change are well over 100 years old.
It’s like Y2K; the first person to realize that it was going to be a problem did so in the 1950s, and it hit mainstream again in the 70s. But we didn’t throw billions at the problem until the mid 90s…
Except this time there is likely no amount of money that can keep the climate train from hitting the wall. But we might be able to slow the train down a little.
I really wonder what scenarios the billionaires have envisioned. After they close the hatches, what use do the security people have for a billionaire? Money is worthless and the billionaire, his family and all his friends will only consume limited resources faster. With no legal recourse on the outside, the security people will just kill everyone, loot the larders and live like kings.
This is why we need to teach the kids that if you find a mysterious air vent or hatch out in the wilderness you fill it with mud or pile rocks ontop of it.
And the next year, it will be worse, and the year after that worse than that. Until the oceans die, and the croplands, and a lot of the cities. Life will survive, probably our species too, but our civilization and the paradise world we currently inhabit will not.
"It’s so hot that even the famous cacti of the Sonoran Desert, such as the saguaro cactus —the Trident-like one you’ve seen in countless cartoons and cowboy movies —are struggling in the heat. They photosynthesize at night, when it gets a little cooler. But climate change
Has extended the times in which it is hot as hell not only further into the calendar year but further into the night. The saguaro cactus is struggling to photosynthesize when it’s still over 100 degrees, even after the sun has set."
Cacti, and plants in general, do not and cannot photosynthesize to any appreciable degree at night. Even the brightest, fullest moon and clearest sky full of stars is not enough light for this process to be effective/efficient. They do their carbon capture / gas exchange primarily at night, but that's a separate process and is not the same thing as photosynthesis.
But also, this whole section is just poorly formatted, unedited, incorrect, and badly written. Like even the tone seems to change in these "2" paragraphs. Why even include this in the article? It really undermines the rest of the content, in my opinion.
Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.
Honestly, I think it's good policy to announce when one is convinced that one's beliefs are wrong. Whether doing so preemptively is universally a good idea is debatable, but I thought it might be helpful for some who thought as I did and maybe it would even garner a laugh from you. Not that I know you in any particular manner.
All that cheerfulness and attempt at morality aside, it can be hard to take the same stance once one has defended one's position, so maybe this is good practice for when I've actually stated my beliefs and need to swallow my pride.
The world objectively would be a better place if more people spent more time second guessing themselves and their preconcieved knowledge sets and beliefs, in a way that at least resembled critical thinking.
Or, in less words... intellectual humility, as opposed to incurious and stubborn overconfidence.
That person has not yet allowed it, but I'm interested in what heartfelt compliment you have to offer them.
I know less about them than I do you (I've seen a few of your other posts on lemmy) so I'm genuinely curious. Complimenting strangers is a big part of my life and I'd like to learn from you.
Hah, I mean, I don't know them at all lol, my approach would just be to have a bit of chat about how their life has been going recently, and I'd bet I could find some admirable trait or accomplishment.
Or maybe they just dress particularly well, maybe they have a pleasant voice... possibilities are endless, so long as you keep and open mind and more or less just politely say what you really feel.
... Its funny, I am quite a cynic at a broad societal level, but actually person to person? Still tend toward naive optimist.
Coober Pedy, Australia found a solution for this one, about 50% of the town is underground. They've only ever hit 118.9° f though, so not quite beating Phoenix's 122° back in 1990.
Apple Intelligence is a set of generative AI programs and technologies designed and maintained by Apple.
Apple—one of the world’s most valuable companies—has invested substantial capital and engineering resources into Apple Intelligence. It regards Apple Intelligence as a breakthrough innovation that will make its users’ experiences “profoundly different” across various product applications. Through Apple Intelligence, Apple hopes to add trillions to its market capitalization in coming years.
But Apple is building part of this new enterprise using Books3, a dataset of pirated copyrighted books that includes the published works of Plaintiffs and the Class. Apple used Books3 to train its OpenELM language models. Apple also likely trained its Foundation Language Models using this same pirated dataset.
Apple is building another part of its Apple Intelligence empire by using Applebot, a software program that copies mass quantities of webpages (also known as “scraping”). Apple scraped data with Applebot for nearly nine years before disclosing that it intended to train its AI systems on this scraped data. Scrapers like Applebot can also reach “shadow libraries” that host millions of other unlicensed copyrighted books, including, on information and belief, Plaintiffs’ and Class Members’ copyrighted works.
The Foundation Language Models within Apple Intelligence depend on the contents of their training datasets. The Foundation Language Models operate by copying and later simulating creative expression found in copyrighted works. For this reason, the inclusion of expressive high-quality material—especially copyrighted material—in Apple’s AI training datasets is deliberate and commercially significant. For instance, to access even more copyrighted material to develop its valuable generative AI products, Apple entered into a multimillion-dollar licensing agreement with Shutterstock. But not with Plaintiffs or the Class.
Plaintiffs and the Class are authors who have registered copyrights for their published works. They did not consent to the use of their works in any Apple Intelligence model, including the Foundation Intelligence Models and OpenELM language models.
The licensing market for AI training data is burgeoning. Nevertheless, Apple did not compensate creators for use of their copyrighted works and concealed the sources of their training datasets to evade legal scrutiny. On information and belief, Apple continues to retain a private AI training-data library including thousands of pirated books to train its future models, without seeking Plaintiffs’ or Class Members’ consent or providing them compensation.
In sum, Apple has copied the copyrighted works of Plaintiffs and the Class to train AI models whose outputs compete with and dilute the market for those very works—works without which Apple Intelligence would have far less commercial value. This conduct has deprived Plaintiffs and the Class of control over their work, undermined the economic value of their labor, and positioned Apple to achieve massive commercial success through unlawful means.
A JOINT Services came under attack while transporting Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) officials and election materials near the Guyana-Venezuela border on
At JUPITER’s inauguration ceremony in Jülich, attended by Germany Chancellor Friedrich Merz, the Jülich Supercomputing Centre and NVIDIA unveiled ways the supercomputer is already spurring innovation across the world.
The majority of users lurk, and those that comment aren't all commenting on the same post. It's not at all plausible for 10% of the MAU to be commenting on one thread. Consider that no other thread sees anywhere close to those numbers, this is unheard of.
When I click that link, and go there in a browser without logging in, I only see 70ish comments listed. But I also see a lot of removed comments as I scroll down, mostly from a single user. My uneducated guess is that there was already some chicanery in the thread, which the Mods have dealt with, and you are seeing the result of that.
As far as what can be done about it, there really is little to be done, as log as Lemmy remains open (and federated). Posts and comments hop around from one instance to the other, and while some instances can take a hard line against bots some other instance can be more permissive then it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. Active, open moderation is the best cure, but takes effort.
Same, the comments created by a spammer have been deleted by the mods and the count in OP's screenshot still includes them, while 77 is the remaining count.
Which also explains my being banned from an instance after sleepily uninstalling my particular browser which stores passwords, rather than merely rm'ing from the home screen. I couldn't find my key at reinstallation, so had to rereg for some instances, then a few days later found it and was able to recover passwords. I can easily see why the admin of that instance assumed
Private instance, also clearly lying about forgetting password.
It happens. But I'm not bothering with re-regging.
@FuckingHellGenocida@lemmy.cafe has a ton of deleted comments, then this comment replies to one of them. in which @GenocideCuntFuckoff@lemmings.world replies over 2000 times.
You also have this comment asking about bots. To which JordanLund replies it is a single person running scripts. His reply garners nearly 1300 replies from @ZioDumbokrat69@lemmings.world
Between those two sets of replies, that is 3,310 of the comments. This is not counting the top level comment spam.
There are only a handful of comments remaining in the thread. Less than 20 legitimate comments.
Its all from one spammer who threadiverse folks regularly talk about needing to manage spam from (if I'm not mistaken about who it is. They change usernames all the time and I don't keep up with their accounts cause I'm not an admin)
The mods appear to have dealt with the issue appropriately. For me it only shows 77 comments as the "count", but there are like a bajillion deleted comments by the same guy
If it still says like a few thousand comments, it is because the bans of the people who spam commented stuff didn't make it to your server yet. Browsing this thread on lemmy.world just shows how many of them got removed
god that's toxic. is lemmings.world a common instance to see that kind of unhinged shit from? I'm considering blocking the instance to prevent ever interacting with one of that guy's alts
edit: apparently it's a known problem. but yeah it's only a matter of time before somebody like that starts hedging their bets and trying other places
I've heard about the Lemmy devs struggling financially to be able to support Lemmy in the past. A lot of users say they'd support the devs if they shut down lemmy.ml, but it can be hard to quantify the value of such statements.
Thus, a proposal: Some trusted team of admins from another instance, say .world or blahaj.zone for example, should set up an account for people who want to support Lemmy but not lemmy.ml to donate into. This account would immediately donate all the money sent to it, if and when lemmy.ml is shut down. The Lemmy devs could think of it as an emergency fund for a rainy day, and if the financial situation ever gets desperate enough for them, they could shut down lemmy.ml and draw on this fund.
A side effect of the fund's existence may be that people, now given the choice to support Lemmy without supporting lemmy.ml, stop donating to the devs directly and just put their money in the no-ml fund instead. if that happened, the devs would have no choice but to shut down .ml, but hey, that's the free gift economy for you.
I think it's kinda a dick move to hold a fund ransom until something is fulfilled, politician does this and it's already bad enough. What if the fund being held by said account being misused? What if lemmy dev insist that they will not back down? Would the fund be held until it does, which will likely take forever?
If i want to donate and 100% make sure some of the fund actually reach my goal, i would've just donate to them. If i don't agree with their political view point i will just don't donate, or donate to piefed which equally need the fund to progress. Having someone else holding the fund for me is very icky, financial-wise.
Just donate to them if you want to, why make it this complicated. If you don't want your money to go towards running the instance, then donate directly to those devs not involved with running the instance.
I haven’t heard anyone demand .ml shut down. I think people want A: allow for separate funding of Lemmy development and the server so people can avoid contributing to the server if they wish. And B: stop running the server as your personal fiefdom where any dissenting opinion or inconvenience facts result in an immediate ban.
FYI: communick pledges to take 20% of the profits from its hosting services and give to the open source developers of the underlying projects. So, the more people signing up to the $29/year package, the more we can support the developers from Mastodon, Lemmy, Funkwhale and Matrix.
Lemmy.ml is literally the developers' home instance. You're confusing instance admins (basically randos) with the developers. Anyway I like it here on .ml. I moved here from .world because of too much censorship there. You're literally not allowed to discuss disapproved brands of cat food on .world. I still chuckle over that one.
I tend to tell myself that I am not affected by advertising. But I suspect that most people think that. So I ask myself: What am I not seeing?
I have heard that many ads are designed to sell you a "lifestyle".
Disclaimer: The article linked is from a single source with a single perspective. Make sure to cross-check information against multiple sources to get a comprehensive view on the situation.
Former President Joe Biden has decided to build his presidential library in Delaware. He has also tapped a group of former aides, friends and political allies to begin the heavy lift of fundraising and finding a site for the museum and archive.
In a recent report about climate change from the U.S. Department of Energy (DoE), the authors state that “U.S. tide gauge measurements reveal no obvious acceleration beyond the historical ave…
I don’t have the time but I’d love to read this more thoroughly later.
One issue I have with change point models is the design of the model often assumes (or enables the likelihood function) to assume a change point exists. On a flat line it will fail to find a change point, but on a constant slope it will always select one.
I much prefer something like a restrictied cubic regression spline, where a change point can exist but the model has more freedom in accepting drift. Realistically most datasets don’t have a single change point, but there are plenty of times it’s worth asking.
In a recent report about climate change from the U.S. Department of Energy (DoE), the authors state that “U.S. tide gauge measurements reveal no obvious acceleration beyond the historical ave…
Ti capita che la stanza** giri o di sentirti confuso? Le **vertigini **sono molto più di un semplice capogiro e possono essere un campanello d'allarme importante per la tua salute. Distinguiamo tra vertigine oggettiva (il mondo gira) e soggettiva (sei tu a girare), ognuna con cause diverse: da problemi all'orecchio interno come la VPPB e la **labirintite, fino a stress, ansia o disturbi cervicali. Scopri quando le vertigini richiedono attenzione medica urgente e quali strategie puoi adottare per ritrovare la tua stabilità e il tuo benessere. Non sottovalutarle: il tuo corpo ti sta parlando!
An Amazon Echo owner has taken to social media to complain about their smart speakers, saying that the hardware is using too much data even when it's mostly unused. Dave W. Plummer, who helped develop the Windows Task Manager and ported Space Cadet Pinball to Windows, posted on X saying that his two Amazon Echo Show devices, which he said he "never" uses, exceeded 4 GB of data usage in 24 hours.
Thats a super cool visualization! This might make a really cool post for !dataisbeautiful@lemmy.world! Maybe a screenshot with a seperate link to the site
Actually there is a legal definition, a Public Benefit Corporation has statutes in its articles of incorporation which legally commit the company to pursue a set purpose which supersedes the fiduciary responsibility of the corporation to shareholders. This is important because it provides some degree of legal protection from activist shareholders suing the company for making spending or policy decisions which don't directly maximize shareholder value. The body of law around this issue is still relatively murky, but some defense is better than none at all.
For example, shareholders could attempt to sue BlueSky into increasing advertising placement or data sales functionality intothe core platform to increase company revenues, but if that is at odds with their stated public benefit purpose the legal team for BluSky would have grounds to attempt to dismiss the suit on the grounds that the shareholders purchase the shares under the explicit understanding that these functions would be subordinated to the public benefit goals of the platform.
No almost all of that is misconception. Shareholders can sue normal companies and "PBC" for not maximizing shareholder value. PBC are still legally required to cater to shareholders interests. Legal scholars say that PBCs do not provide any protection against shareholders suing and data shows it does not stop profit maximizing behavior. Its pure marketing.
Yes but we like mastodon because they're open and if they fuck up we can move away at any time. Bluesky is completely closed except the protocol and the network is fully centralized. They're just waiting until they have enough marketshare to enshitify.
Not at all. The issue with Bluesky's "federation" is, you can't really set it up at home, you need thousands of dollars and it's not really accessible.
Search up "Mastodon instances" and then "Bluesky instances" you see like thousands for Mastodon and only the official one for Bluesky. It's marketing gimmick for the mainstream normies who want to pretend they have freedom but in reality they're just jumping on the train with the billionaire who runs it.
This is an update to a Summer 2024 blog post. At the time, atproto relays required a cache of the full network on local disk to validate data structures. With the Sync v1.1 updates, relays don't need all that disk I/O.
[Edit: I see the problem, even with a self-hosted instance of 1, when you comment on posts in other instances that data is no longer held on your server, so you don't own it and can't control it directly, is that right?]
So as I understand it the big "advantage" of ATProtocol is the account portability via DID, however this is at the sacrifice of actually hosting an ATProtocol being extremely data heavy.
This has made me very curious about self-hosting ActivityPub (meaning an instance of 1 user), it would seem like focusing development on a client that makes it as close to as easy to self-host an instance as it is to join one would solve the issue of accountability portability, as you literally own all the data and rights when you self host. The Major challenge I see there is security, where experienced admins for larger instances should have some level of cybersecuroty expertise while the average use may have little to none. But then focusing group effort on auto-updating the client and the default settings of the client to maximize security would solve that issue it would seem?
So what am I missing? Other than hosting costs, what else is deferring a self-hosted-first development approach for the Fediverse?
Is it actually that AP development fundamentally believe moderation should be handled at the admin/instance level, and self-hosting makes moderation more difficult and less directly authority based?
Publicly shared blacklists and whitelists would seem the natural fit for a self-hosted-first network, akin to adblock and horizontal.
Edit: I see the problem, even with a self-hosted instance of 1, when you comment on posts in other instances that data is no longer held on your server, so you don’t own it and can’t control it directly, is that right?
The "problem" is also going the other way around. If a large instance is sharing data with your single user instance, they ultimately cannot control what you do with it.
Isn't that a non-problem? I mean, afaik, you cannot control any data after it's sent. If I send you an email with an attachment, I cannot stop you from forwarding it to everyone you know, nor can I stop you from editing it before forwarding. I guess it becomes a problem of reliability, then, which is only a problem if the original source is unavailable - which is not that uncommon in the fediverse.
It is a "problem" if your goal is full ownership and control over your user interactions and data footprint. ATProtocol in principle achieves this, you can delete or move your account and all your user interactions will be deleted or follow you (meaning edit permissions, full access to all the posts/comments, follows, updoots, etc.). The cost of this is a very high data load for the host, though I'm still not clear on exactly why it is so much more data intensive, is it the size of lookup instructions between hosts in addition to the actual markdown?
[Edit: I see the problem, even with a self-hosted instance of 1, when you comment on posts in other instances that data is no longer held on your server, so you don’t own it and can’t control it directly, is that right?]
Not quite. It's more like Bluesky works, but also not quite.
First, a note on the idea of "your" data. The law gives people rights over certain data. For example, copyright gives people rights over certain content, which translates to rights over data encoding that content. You may think of a movie as being yours because you have the file on your device. The copyright holder still considers it their data and will therefore demand control over your device through DRM.
Rights over data always means rights over what other people do with their computers and devices. Unfortunately, Fediverse users are not very tech-savvy. They demand more rights and regulations and then condemn Big Tech for the predictable consequences. They pull on one end of the string and blame dark powers when the other end moves.
The European GDPR also creates rights over certain data. You have GDPR rights over all data that is directly or indirectly related to you. For example, if I write about the current French President, then Emmanuel Macron has GDPR rights over that data, even if I don't mention him by name. Of course, his rights will be limited by freedom of information. Also, these rights are rarely recognized outside of Europe.
What legal rights you have over data depends on your location. Copyright is internationally recognized, but its precise reach depends on location; eg the US has Fair Use. Even at a specific location, those rights depend on context, with a lot of gray area. This cannot be implemented technically.
With Lemmy it's like this: When a user on an instance subscribes to a community, all (recent-ish) posts and comments in that community are downloaded to that instance. Users on that instance are served from their own instance.
Generally, a Fediverse instance keeps a copy of whatever data its local users might need. If your instance was the only source for some data, then every user in the whole world needing it would have to access your server every time they want it. Every user whether registered or unregistered would hit your server every time they reload. If a server buckles under the strain, you just get missing data. It just wouldn't scale.
Bluesky has Personal Data Servers (PDSs) for that role. Those are the definitive store of some user's data. This can be self-hosted easily. The data from all users is aggregated by a "relay", If a PDS is like a personal web server, then a relay is like a search engine. That's the one that you can't self-host; takes big time capital expenditure.
I don't think the Fediverse has a solution for this. Imagine Mastodon or Lemmy with 100M+ users. How do you find stuff? Well, making a crawler and search engine for the Fediverse would be simple. But that would also take major capital expenditure.
The Bluesky relay combines all activity into the "firehose". Anyone can write apps that get data from the firehose and present them to users. When Bluesky blocked Mississippi, that meant that the official Bluesky App did that. Other Apps still work in that state.
Final bit: When you self-host, you need to be your own legal department. When you use a service, you are shielded to some degree. Eg when you infringe copyright, a social media service will usually just take it down. If you infringe copyright on your web server, or even via torrent, you may get a pretty hefty bill.
Fedi-users cheer when Meta gets sued or settled with a huge fine. Well, good luck running your own Facebook server. Fedi-users mostly aren't very tech-savvy but when it gets to law, they are positively delusional.
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in reply to ardi60 • • •Fuck GOOG for normalizing surveillance capitalism
Fuck YouTube in particular for making it basically impossible to usefully host an Invidious proxy any more and for their algorithmic manipulation
PeerTube is the Way
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in reply to nymnympseudonym • • •Chozo
in reply to Mihies • • •If you want monetization and scalability, you're gonna have to get ads. Ad-free subscription services that actually benefit the creators are exceedingly rare. Very few people (less than 0.1%) are "making it" on Patreon and the like. The bitter truth is that most users can't afford to financially support their favorite creators, and damn near zero creators could get the level of exposure needed to be sustainable without an ad-based platform backing them.
Video hosting is expensive af. Ultimately, small-time content creation is completely dependent on corporate benefactors. This is why every video platform that's tried to compete against YouTube has failed. Nebula is trying, but that's only useful to creators who fit within its specific niche.
I'm not saying this as a vote of support for the current system. Just an observation of how the market has played out so far.
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in reply to Chozo • • •Believe it or not, YouTube Premium is one of them. A Premium view is worth more than an ad-supported view to a creator.
(Obviously Patreon is better, as they can’t make a living off of only Premium views because it’s a smaller group; the population of ad-supported users is much much larger. But YouTube Premium does benefit the creators more than ad-supported YouTube does.)
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in reply to Chozo • • •I don't think that necessarily follows.
Have you heard of self-hosted Patreon-similar Ghost ?
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in reply to nymnympseudonym • • •No, and neither has anybody else. Not saying that to be rude or dismissive, but just using their own numbers on the front page to paint a picture. They have ~3,000 paying members as of right now. Patreon has over 10,000,000 paying members, and even then only a tiny, tiny fraction of their creators are actually sustainable.
Paid subscription services like this are a great idea, in theory; I'd love to get away from ad-supported platforms. But the truth is that they just don't work for all but a few lucky people.
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in reply to Chozo • • •No saying you're wrong though.
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in reply to Dyskolos • • •That's 100% true, but YT also foots the bill that creators would otherwise be responsible for when it comes to just the basics. Free hosting/distribution of high res full-length videos, globally accessible, with a player app that is actively developed and maintained, a recommendation algorithm to put your content in front of viewers' eyes... That, alone, has tremendous value for a creator that they really can't get anywhere else without paying out of pocket. All of those things would have to otherwise be paid for/maintained by the creators. While it's not a direct payment, YT relieves a huge burden for creators.
It sucks because it keeps creators' success dependent on corporate oligarchs. But at the same time, it's also great because it gives them a fighting chance to get started.
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in reply to Chozo • • •Dyskolos
in reply to Mihies • • •Nowadays i see the frontpage, sigh in disgust and close the page. And I haven't even seen an ad there yet. This would be the cherry on top
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in reply to ardi60 • • •So is it YouTube family or YouTube household?
Either way, probably need to setup site to site VPN and route YouTube traffic through a central location, if you can block geolocation.
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in reply to ardi60 • • •Dyskolos
in reply to kinkles • • •Their course was clear the moment they ditched their slogan "don't be evil". And here we are, again.
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in reply to BurntWits • • •First of all: The extension doesn’t seem to be blocking any connection on Orion, only websites.
Second of all: Here’s a link to the uBlock Origin Light app on the AppStore
uBlock Origin Lite
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in reply to Linearity • • •That app doesn’t work with the current version of safari. This is what I see when trying to enable:
I’ve been using Orion with uBlock and have been satisfied the last few months.
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in reply to BurntWits • • •Requires just about the latest iOS (18.6)
Also - Apple seems to be hiding it from search results on the App Store even though I found it a week ago!
BurntWits
in reply to brbposting • • •That was my reminder to update my system. Thanks!
I’ll test out Safari + uBO for a bit and see if I prefer it. Do you have any sites you can check for how good your adblocker is? I used to use one but that was ages ago, I don’t remember the name anymore.
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in reply to BurntWits • • •😀
Top web search results for “adblock test”—the top two, both, are usually good to both run (though I’ve never been too scientific about it)! One tries to show ads for your review, the other gives a % blocked.
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in reply to wackoCamel • • •Same here. I’ve cancelled Netflix, never got Disney plus, never use prime (though I think I have access to something through prime shipping).
YouTube however; I watch this every single day, use it for learning, relaxation, documentaries etc.
It’s a fantastic platform and well worth the subscription AFAICS.
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in reply to wackoCamel • • •What I'm not ok with YouTube premium :
So even if I watch a ton of YT I refuse to pay to sell my data.
If I pay for YT they have to not track me and not sell my data (at least data coming from YT).
So yeah taking YT is hassle free but is quite the scam if you think about it. Before paying you were the product. After paying you are still the product but on top of that you give them money.
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in reply to Tetsuo • • •The big data-farmers like Google aren't selling it to third parties. It's worth far more if kept to themselves and used to build an ad platform.
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in reply to FishFace • • •wackoCamel
in reply to Tetsuo • • •I think the price is a far better deal than Netflix. Even when I had Netflix, basically all I watched was Breaking Bad. Shows I like or want to view now just live on my media server. It came to a point I couldn't find anything interesting to watch and cancelled it. I don't remember the last time I watched an actual movie. There is so much more than I'll ever have the time to watch on Youtube. If they want to use what I watch to attempt to show me ads I'm very likely never going to see elsewhere, I honestly don't care. They are going to try to show me ads which will almost certainly get blocked, anyway. I'm not watching anything on Youtube I wouldn't mind telling anyone about anyway.
I don't feel scammed, and it impacts my day-to-day life in no ways aside from saving me time having to fiddle with my network for 30 minutes every time an actual video won't load because I'm trying to block a 30-second ad at the router.
Netflix also sells data to 3rd party marketing services.
Darren
in reply to DaddleDew • • •I honestly wouldn't mind paying for it if it didn't feel like such a fucking rip-off.
For example, for £19 a month I could sub to Netflix top tier. For that, I and three others could watch their stuff in UHD, all at the same time. And sure, Netflix content might be somewhat average these days, but it's still reasonably high quality and costs a decent packet to produce.
By contrast, YT Premium for family is £20 a month, with which I can access a bunch of videos that, while enjoyable, do not cost Google anything to make. Yes, hosting costs money, and yes, they (theoretically) pay the video creators. But it doesn't feel like £20 a month, y'know?
Part of the trouble is that they lump YT Music in to the same subscription. But I don't want or need that. I have Apple Music with its lossless catalogue, and library that I've built up over many years. If YT offered a straight up ad-free plan that I could share with my family that cost a tenner a month, I'd probably go for it. It would mean being able to watch videos on Apple TV without having to fuck about downloading them to my Plex folder first, because they've injected SO MANY ADVERTS in now that the YT app is completely unusable.
sunbeam60
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in reply to Hayduke • • •If you pay, the platform remains great. I get a discounted YouTube premium membership through my mobile phone company. I think YouTube is great, I never see ads, lots of features.
Just to offer an alternative view.
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Chaotic Entropy
in reply to archonet • • •I mean, I feel like you need to expand your comparison a little as the amount that you'll see in your lifetime is such a minute grain of sand on a beech compared to corporate profits. The money they made today, hell, in the last hour... minute... will dwarf the amount that you will likely see.
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reev
in reply to archonet • • •And evidently those who do! My parents live in a different country. What are they, not my family? What's the family plan for? (Rhetorical question)
With Vanced I have so many more options to customize my experience. I can hide shorts I never watch, set a fixed resolution for data and wifi, return the stupid dislike ratio they removed... And if I'm using Vanced anyway to fix all the issues they introduce, why on earth would I additionally pay for their service?
I want to pay for their shit, especially to support content creators, but I can't support a platform whose singular mission it is to make everything worse for everyone constantly. Feels like every month I have to get a new extension to undo some horrible design decision.
Goodlucksil
in reply to reev • • •I hope you mean ReVanced, otherwise... bBoy, I've got some news for you.
reev
in reply to Goodlucksil • • •sunbeam60
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in reply to HerbieBangkok • • •FishFace
in reply to archonet • • •was a weak-ass criticism when it was on 4chan being leveled at anyone who said anything not derogatory about a woman, and it's weak-ass now. Oh no, someone on the internet has an at-least-partially positive opinion of a company, how awful, we'd better stereotype and body-shame them for it.
If you had your way, the only comments about YouTube - or any other product from a large company - that would be allowed would be negative ones. How the fuck does that make sense?
Hominine
in reply to FishFace • • •sunbeam60
in reply to archonet • • •By Darwin you see a lot. I was merely stating that I think YouTube premium is worth the price I pay for it.
Is there no product you are satisfied with? Your life must be pretty bleak.
raspberriesareyummy
in reply to sunbeam60 • • •sunbeam60
in reply to raspberriesareyummy • • •YouTube steals other people’s work?
I tend to watch content creators who willingly put their content on YouTube. Am I missing something here…?
raspberriesareyummy
in reply to sunbeam60 • • •* most content isn't uploaded by the copyright holder (e.g. TV excerpts)
* demonetized videos will still have ads (at least for people without ad blockers)
* videos are used for machine learning without credit to authors or financial compensation (especially without consent when it's not the copyright holder uploading them)
lobut
in reply to sunbeam60 • • •I'll join you in the downvotes. There's many reasons to hate YouTube. Asking them to pay for video content to everyone for free is a bit silly.
I'm also not saying you shouldn't use alternatives or run an ad-blocker. Those are cool. I just find it funny how someone is saying: "I get some benefit in paying for this service" results in such backlash, lol.
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in reply to lobut • • •elucubra
in reply to sunbeam60 • • •I'm willing to sacrifice some of my valuable internet points here and be down voted to low hell.
I was going to make a comment along those lines.
They are, at the core, an ad company. Their motivation is to make money, and we are free to pay or not pay for their services.
The idea that we have a right to a non essential product for free is entitlement. They make a shit load of money, but also pay money to most content creators. Could they provide a service where they essentially just pay for costs? Sure, but no for profit Corp is going to do that, it has to make money somehow. While I'm all for peer tube, I really don't know if it's sustainable.
I wonder how many of the people who demand free access to services donate to FOSS Development.
Maybe some form of consumer co-op, where users essentially pay for operating costs, could be an option.
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in reply to That Weird Vegan • • •grue
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in reply to Encrypt-Keeper • • •practice of providing gratis Internet access under certain conditions, such as by only permitting access to certain websites or by exempting certain websites from the data allowance
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)FishFace
in reply to grue • • •sunbeam60
in reply to grue • • •Is recommending a product that you’re satisfied with “shilling”?
Is there a product in this world that you think is worth the price? Does that make you a shill?
overload
in reply to sunbeam60 • • •sunbeam60
in reply to overload • • •xthexder
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in reply to sunbeam60 • • •Broken
in reply to sunbeam60 • • •I'm OK with your opinion and I appreciate hearing an alternate view to offset the echo chamber effect.
But for a lot of us, or at least me, its far deeper than just cost and ads.
It's the fact that steps keep being taken to make the platform worse. They don't want the platform usable unless you pay, and in this case they're even taking a stab at the people who pay...you don't pay enough in their mind.
If they had balls, they would just make it a closed platform. Pay to access, and restrict that per account IP. But they'd rather gaslight everybody and slowly turn up he heat so the frogs don't jump out of the pot. This way they maximize their profits for longer.
Point of all of that is, they don't care about he platform or service at all.
For me, its not even about that. Their algorithm was so jacked up I was sick of being fed videos I didn't want to see over and over, and videos I've already watched over and over. That's why they added the subscription bell...because you would subscribe to things you wanted to watch and they never showed it to you. It wasn't "you" tube it was "their" tube.
I bailed on them years ago. I still watch some content on there because there really isn't a viable alternative. I use a scraper that gives me a feed of just what I want and without ads. I watch what I like and move on with my day. I'm back in control of my video viewing.
techt
in reply to sunbeam60 • • •Weird number of downvotes here -- I thought they were meant for low-effort or non contributive comments, not an "I disagree" button. This person is giving a unique perspective as a subscriber (in this thread, anyway) and should be met with curiosity, I think. It is helpful to know that there are people who enjoy paying for it, so thanks for giving your opinion here.
I disagree because they have a dominant position for reasons other than having a good product -- they squash competition trying to make the space better while themselves actively making it worse. Subscribing means supporting that style of inhibiting innovation, not to mention the other user-hostile practices they embrace (extend, extinguish). They are an ad company and obligated to make a profit, I get that, but I refuse to abide this style of using investor money to operate at a loss for years while deceptively capturing the market before raising prices. If your product is good, it shouldn't need to be artificially propped up.
Michael
in reply to techt • • •Indeed, no company should be praised or rewarded for emulating the moves that made companies like Walmart and Amazon big.
This capitalist hellscape would be slightly more tolerable if there was ample competition in every space. Companies need to be motivated to make their profit in ways that please the consumer, but also in ways that are increasingly more ethical.
But truly, as they say, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Modern slavery and third-world exploitation...even literal child slavery are rampant in our supply chains and offshore manufacturing.
Even Google indirectly uses child slavery. The court threw the case raised against them (and other giants) out last year because these companies simply purchase "unspecified amounts" of cobalt through "global supply chains" - never mind how it came to be on the global supply chain to begin with and how much obscene profit these companies make off these resources.
etchinghillside
in reply to Hayduke • • •Deactivated Premium recently. I used their music app when driving – expecting some ads now - nope, it just doesn’t allow running in the background anymore.
Seems like such a hostile thing - I’d like to think running ads would be a positive net income for them. (Now that I think of it - maybe they don’t have it built out into their music service.)
sucius
in reply to etchinghillside • • •ChanchoManco
in reply to sucius • • •Broken
in reply to etchinghillside • • •Then they ditched it for YouTube music, which was a worse experience and lacked the features.
lIlIllIlIIIllIlIlII
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in reply to ardi60 • • •Squizzy
in reply to ardi60 • • •NewPipe told me I was IP banned last week but it went away.
I'd rather stop using than give them money.
berty
in reply to Squizzy • • •interdimensionalmeme
in reply to ardi60 • • •If the user use different VPNs then it shouldn't be able to tell the different between that and being in different locations.
So are they gathering internal network data, are they spying on the LAN and wifi ?
Dyskolos
in reply to interdimensionalmeme • • •There's a reason every shitty shit wants you to install their app instead of just using their fucking webpage, which already sucks enough.
ronigami
in reply to ardi60 • • •blurb
in reply to ronigami • • •That likely makes you easier to track. User agents don't really matter all that much if an advanced tracking script is used. When your IP address is the same, your browser engine is the same, your canvas data stays the same, your window size stays the same, your operating system stays the same, then they will just know that you also use an extension that makes your user agent not reflect your system and track you based on that too.
Use Mullvad Browser without changing anything important (change the default search engine at most) and preferably use a proper VPN to actually avoid tracking during regular internet usage. Or use LibreWolf to at least fool naive scripts.
I would suggest reading this too:
github.com/arkenfox/user.js/wi…
3.3 Overrides [To RFP or Not]
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in reply to blurb • • •blurb
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in reply to blurb • • •blurb
in reply to ronigami • • •Technically, yes, most sites won't have such sophisticated logic. But any Google, Microsoft, or Meta service you use most definitely will.
I really liked CreepJS's "Visits" feature where it would show a counter for how many people have visited with exactly the same browser fingerprint (which would usually be 1 unless you were using Tor Browser or Mullvad Browser), but they seem to have removed it for some reason along with "Lies" and "Trust Score". You can still check it out here though to see just how much identifying information even a simple hobby project can gather in less than a second.
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in reply to ardi60 • • •HertzDentalBar
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in reply to That Weird Vegan • • •りん〜
in reply to HertzDentalBar • • •Kokesh
in reply to ardi60 • • •comrade19
in reply to Kokesh • • •ssillyssadass
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in reply to ardi60 • • •Tenkard
in reply to MourningDove • • •rozodru
in reply to MourningDove • • •it's because Youtube is a content monopoly. TikTok is a platform for short content...on youtube it's a feature with shorts. Twitch is a platform for live streaming content...on youtube it's a feature with, other than discoverability, the same features. Any music streaming service? again...it's a feature on youtube. The fact I could export my playlists from any music streaming platform and import it to Youtube and listen to it ad free via an ad blocker? come on. So as opposed to using multiple platforms, with youtube you have it all in one place. So no, this will not get people to stop using it.
Premium you don't need if you're even the slightest bit tech savvy. but no one is ever going to stop using youtube, there's no point. I mean I use peertube as much as possible but every now and then I'm back on youtube because of all those features in one place and some things I just can't find on peertube.
KyuubiNoKitsune
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in reply to Korhaka • • •Evotech
in reply to Korhaka • • •That is simple and clean enough for less tech savvy people?
Yeah no
cerebralhawks
in reply to ardi60 • • •Why pay for premium anyway? Let alone a family plan. You still get ads. They can be skipped too — SponsorBlock will do it for free. Google could use this but chooses not to.
They want YouTube to be like cable TV. You pay for it. You watch ads. You pay more for premium channels.
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in reply to Encrypt-Keeper • • •prole
in reply to Encrypt-Keeper • • •The fact that they put this behind a paywall is enough for me to never pay them a dime.
theangryseal
in reply to prole • • •I found a neat little workaround that I used for a while. I’d load the video up in my browser, turn the phone on an off a couple times, press play on the lock screen, and enjoy it that way.
Edit:
Still works. Just gotta full screen the video and then power off before it kills picture in picture.
And now I’m listening in the background as I type this.
floofloof
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in reply to theangryseal • • •wdx
in reply to theangryseal • • •@interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml gave me a really good suggestion the other day. If youre on Firefox, it might work for you too 😀
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firef…
I just have the video running on Firefox and can them go to another App / turn off the screen
Video Background Play Fix – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-US)
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in reply to theangryseal • • •Most certainly off-topic, but I have found other cool workarounds for apps.
For instance, if you open 2 windows of, say, PowerPoint (1 you want to use, the other you must close after; read below). Then, go to the one you don't want to use (or at least one you use for this method), and wait for the no account/Office not bought/whatever pop up; in any case, do NOT close the pop up. Open the other PowerPoint, and then close the former. If done right, you'll be pleasantly surprised that it works perfectly! After that, you can open any additional ppt files. Do note that, after you close PowerPoint entirely, you gotta do this all over again.
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in reply to prole • • •Encrypt-Keeper
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in reply to Encrypt-Keeper • • •Encrypt-Keeper
in reply to SaltySalamander • • •SaltySalamander
in reply to Encrypt-Keeper • • •Thus, pirating them. More or less by the same method that is used to download every single WEB-DL movie/episode you see on torrent sites.
Encrypt-Keeper
in reply to SaltySalamander • • •It’s not pirating if you’re obtaining a video that they’re making available to you for free lmao.
Otherwise it would be “pirating” to just load up YouTube.com in your browser and watching any old video.
SaltySalamander
in reply to Encrypt-Keeper • • •Encrypt-Keeper
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in reply to cerebralhawks • • •cerebralhawks
in reply to nucleative • • •The three people who replied before you said they don't get the sponsor plugs.
When I had YTP (I had a trial, it was like 3 months for $1), I got the sponsored segments. So either those other people are lying, or they don't understand what I'm saying.
krunklom
in reply to cerebralhawks • • •YouTube is fucking garbage.
I don't care about the ads because it's fucking garbage, and why would I watch garbage?
bitwolf
in reply to cerebralhawks • • •YouTube is my only subscription.
I use it for Music and Video. I definitely get my money's worth, they're streaming to me at least 8 hours a day.
If it's not background music, it's videos. I can't even fathom how many hours of ads I have avoided.
mrgoosmoos
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in reply to bitwolf • • •Simyon
in reply to cerebralhawks • • •I pay for premium because currently it's the easier option for getting no Ads on all my devices. Yes I could install a third party client on my TV, Phone & use uBlock on Desktop, but two of those require active upkeep.
For sponsorships, YouTube Premium has the "Skip Ahead" feature which basically leeches off sponsorblock users where commonly skipped sections can be also skipped by you.
It's just currently easier to pay than to pirate. I will say however, if it gets too shitty, I will resort back to pirating.
kameecoding
in reply to ardi60 • • •madcaesar
in reply to kameecoding • • •I cancelled Netflix when they did the sharing bullshit and I cancelled prime when they wanted MORE money to not give me ads. Fuck that.
However, you and I seem to be in the minority since these mega corps push one bullshit after another and people just bend over and go "please use lube this time..."
Gaja0
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in reply to Gaja0 • • •aquovie
in reply to ardi60 • • •If you watch vapid slop content on Youtube, that's on you. Don't blame Youtube for giving you what you apparently want. I watch howto's, "edutainment", science and engineering stuff, conference talks, and overall generally positive, helpful content. This is a totally different thing from Netflix, which is mostly just fiction. I'd never pay a subscription for that. The cost of Premium seems like a fair value for what I get out of it, especially since creators get a higher payout for Premium views.
Yeah, Google still tracks you. So does absolutely everyone else, including your ISP that you're paying for. Until you make it illegal, that isn't going to change. I'm not going to put everything on hold waiting for better consumer protection laws, shit's way too dysfunctional for that to be realistic. Life isn't perfect.
ripcord
in reply to aquovie • • •w3dd1e
in reply to ardi60 • • •Fuck em. We try to pay even tho we know how to get it for free. Go back to ad blockers.
Not a perfect experience but it’s better than putting up with that corporate bullshit.
girthero
in reply to ardi60 • • •downhomechunk
in reply to ardi60 • • •I used to be an a friend's planning exchange for sharing Disney plus. But he booted me after I kept putting weird shit on his family calendar.
"Wash that thing on your back that's hard to reach and puts out a putrid smell."
"Soak feet in melted butter."
I've been a premium member since then. I've been watching the battle with ad blockers from the sidelines.
Who is winning that battle? This will inform my next move.
Sunshine (she/her)
in reply to ardi60 • • •rumba
in reply to Sunshine (she/her) • • •Peertube needs monetization and the ability for people peer without self-hosting. A torrent client of sorts.
The product, in it's current form cannot replace Youtube. Youtube gives you traffic, a free place to host even your crappiest footage, and money if enough people start watching it regularly.
Peertube isn't free, it's just someone else footing the bill, which breaks under load.
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in reply to rumba • • •Seeing the number of dead torrents, it’s highly likely that many videos will quickly die as well
But it would be nice to have a way to seed.
Problem with all federated platforms: which one should people pick? Most instances don’t federate with others
rumba
in reply to Electricd • • •Ideally, everyone would just post their own stuff from their own disk. As things got popular, the fans would cache it for others. We'd just need the self-hosting angels to help us with discoverability.
Realistically, a quick death is probably a fortunate way to save resources if a video can't gain traction from being useful or entertaining.
Electricd
in reply to rumba • • •rumba
in reply to Electricd • • •If a video doesn't do well, it doesn't need cached because it's not being watched.
They pay to store their flops.
Electricd
in reply to rumba • • •I was reacting to this:
rumba
in reply to Electricd • • •I'm even more confused now.
You mentioned with the number of dead torrents that videos would die quickly.
I mentioned that unpopular videos probably should die quickly.
You mentioned that the solution won't work I suspect your definition of not working is probably different than my definition of not working. But I'm not exactly sure at this point.
Electricd
in reply to rumba • • •I thought you wanted videos to only be hosted through peers, without any server storing them, just like torrents
I said that would mean most videos would die
rumba
in reply to Electricd • • •Okay, yeah, that scans.
By suggest the peeeing app, I'm also suggesting a change to the architecture then I've talked about previously, probably have not made clear here.
The peering app works more like a torrent client. It's not just caching things that you've seen, but you can also place your content there.
We would separate the content from the indexing. A peer tube provider could offer both roles. People could store their own data locally or pay the provider a small amount to use their storage. Maybe even IPFS style that would just pin it for you for a fee. It would make the model sustainable.
Everyone is responsible for their own seed content that way. Nobody is required to pay millions of dollars to store a bunch of bullshit for nothing that they don't care about, which would end up making what monetization that can happen more effective.
Advertisers are just pouring billions of dollars into YouTube. They could have direct payments to smaller providers much easier without all that waste. We just need a sustainable storage method in a way for people to get paid.
Electricd
in reply to rumba • • •rumba
in reply to Electricd • • •Then they can stay on YouTube.
Federation can't solve the price of storing / hosting video the same way that capitalism can.
bitwolf
in reply to ardi60 • • •SoftestSapphic
in reply to ardi60 • • •Firefox + ublock origin still works to block all YouTube ads
Invidious is a frontend for YouTube that blocks all their trackers and ads
PeerTube is an alternative community ran platform to replace YouTube in the future
CheeseNoodle
in reply to SoftestSapphic • • •SoftestSapphic
in reply to CheeseNoodle • • •That part is working now
I can load in my subscriptions.csv file from youtube into my subscriptions list on my Invidious account.
And that all works through a web browser
lost_faith
in reply to SoftestSapphic • • •BigPotato
in reply to lost_faith • • •Just use Firefox Mobile to watch YouTube.
Ad blocking through uBO and can enable playing with locked screen.
Anti_Iridium
in reply to BigPotato • • •There we go, fixed it for you
AnarchistArtificer
in reply to BigPotato • • •I keep trying to convert my friends to using Firefox mobile for this reason. I generally try not to evangelise too much, but I have so many friends who keep complaining about ads when browsing the internet on mobile, and this would literally solve their problem. One friend complained about ads so frequently that they ended up getting irked at me telling them the problem was solvable. Our unhappy compromise was that I would stop telling them to use Firefox and uBO if they stopped complaining about this so much in front of me.
I respect their choices, but by God, I'm baffled by them. I get that inertia makes it hard to make switches like this, but when you're spending so much time complaining about how much effort it takes to use the internet on your mobile, why would you not just solve the problem?
BigPotato
in reply to AnarchistArtificer • • •I had someone say "Well, yours doesn't do ads" and, in the year of 5 manufacturers pumping out 10 different SKUs a year, we had the same model phone.
I said "Yours doesn't have to, if you set it up that way."
The answer? "Well, c'mon, play the video."
Like, yeah, let's just brush past the... What? Five or six tap solution? And before anyone asks, not a romantic opening. Generally people don't make passes at bridge trolls who evangelize for open source software.
SaltySalamander
in reply to BigPotato • • •SaltySalamander
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in reply to SoftestSapphic • • •ArmchairAce1944
in reply to ardi60 • • •MystikIncarnate
in reply to ArmchairAce1944 • • •I think that's the point.
They've had such trouble even selling YouTube premium that now they're making it even less worthwhile, and expecting people to still buy it...
I don't know what companies don't get. Family means so many different things and they're trying to dictate and control what it means to be a family. They don't get to decide that. Many people I consider to be family, have zero blood relation to me, but they've stood by me like brothers and sisters when shit goes down, often staying to help long after my blood relatives, have abandoned me. The people I share a bloodline with are simply not as much of a family to me as these people I grew up with, and have stuck with me through thick and thin.
If I buy a "family" plan of anything, I expect that the family I've chosen can be among the people I can share that plan with. If I'm paying for a personal plan and sharing it with others, I get it, fair game. But if I'm specifically buying it because I can share it with family, then let me share it with family, or fuck the fuck off with that bullshit.
Sorry, bit of a rant, I know everyone here already knows this so I'm preaching to the choir.
Be well.
Ernstrommel
in reply to ardi60 • • •CileTheSane
in reply to ardi60 • • •Meanwhile on Steam my "family" consists of 3 adults with different addresses, last names, and credit cards, who have had accounts for decades and never lived at the same place.
We have full access to each other's library.
Crashumbc
in reply to CileTheSane • • •CileTheSane
in reply to Crashumbc • • •Sure, the 2 constants in the universe are Entropy and Enshitification. When Steam turns to shit I'll go back to Piracy just like I did when Netflix went to shit.
My point is that companies don't have to be shit about account sharing and family plans, and people don't have to accept it.
Kay Ohtie
in reply to Crashumbc • • •It's mostly that a feature on it went from "okayish" to "far more consumer-friendly", which was incredibly unexpected of them to do. Everyone figured Steam library sharing would die but instead they roll out Family that has far looser restrictions than the system they'd had for over a decade.
Can't play the same game at the same time unless both own it, and DLC isn't shared, but my partner being able to play anything I own that I'm not playing is pretty rad of a positive change.
Meanwhile Nintendo's system got worse instead.
sfjvvssss
in reply to CileTheSane • • •Rbnsft
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in reply to Rbnsft • • •AnarchistArtificer
in reply to sfjvvssss • • •I had that error a couple of times, and it inexplicably resolved itself. Try having the person join again (which may require a new invite). I think only 1 out of 4 members of my family were able to join without that initial error message. This was back when Steam had just switched how they handled family sharing, so I assumed it was just an implementation bug of some sort. One of my friends took three attempts before they could join, but it worked ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Though I will note that steam family sharing no longer works if the person is located in another country for the purposes of Steam billing region (so my Norwegian friend could not join my UK family)
NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ
in reply to CileTheSane • • •BackgrndNoize
in reply to NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ • • •Bennyboybumberchums
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in reply to Bennyboybumberchums • • •sugar_in_your_tea
in reply to BackgrndNoize • • •Good for you! I hope you find a good job soon.
In the meantime, I recommend doing some exercise because that's something you can completely control your progress on. If you don't have a gym membership, body weight workouts are absolutely a thing you should check out.
MystikIncarnate
in reply to NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ • • •My understanding is that gaben has already put an action plan in place for when the company moves on from his leadership.
From what I've heard of it, the people in line behind Gabe will be upholding the same values.
We should have at least another ~40 years or more of this before sometimes entitled brat inherits the company and sells it off to a foreign interest.
With all that being said: long live gaben.
CileTheSane
in reply to MystikIncarnate • • •I like Steam, I like that they aren't being dicks and treat users well. That said: billionaires are not your friend.
There is no such thing as an ethical billionaire.
MystikIncarnate
in reply to CileTheSane • • •I didn't say there was.
I just want this specific billionaire to continue to live because, unlike most billionaires, he's not making my life more difficult.
He's basically refused to let steam become enshittified. Other billionaires would have long ago succumb to the one that they serve, the almighty dollar, and done whatever they can to extract the most value from their user base. Enshittifying the platform in the process, and actively making my life worse.
So as far as I'm concerned, when it comes to billionaires, gaben is far from the worst.
I have a short list of billionaires that kinda fit into the category of: I don't mind that they exist.
There's a much longer list of billionaires that I'd like to see pushing up the daisies.
Not that I can, or would, do anything to make that happen. I just, wouldn't hate it if it happened.
CileTheSane
in reply to MystikIncarnate • • •MystikIncarnate
in reply to CileTheSane • • •I would say, they're not necessarily good, just less bad.
Same idea though.
Soggy
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in reply to weariedfae • • •Amazon cracks down on Prime free shipping sharing
Annie Palmer (CNBC)mfed1122
in reply to yabai • • •I really think corporations are starting to overplay their hands here. People don't need Prime as much as Amazon thinks they do, people don't need YouTube as much as Google thinks they do, and so on. Especially in the case of YT, yeah, turns out it's easy to compete when your service is free. But once it gets freemium enough, things like Peertube start to take a place on the optimal frontier. Right now Peertube only competes with YouTube if you're sensitive to the dimension of a service being centralized or not, most people don't give a shit about that. But the dimension of cost and ads? Enshittify YouTube too much and suddenly Peertube has its place for anyone who cares about money or time (i.e everyone).
And Prime? Don't think people won't start just going to stores again, or buying directly from producers. At least if I go to an actual website to buy my stuff I don't need to worry about getting ripped off by some drop-ship fake brand garbage.
People love their little conveniences and will try to hang on to them, sure...but I think this could really start to backfire if they push it much further.
unphazed
in reply to mfed1122 • • •socsa
in reply to unphazed • • •magguzu
in reply to mfed1122 • • •I think it's important to keep expectations realistic though..
in the case of Youtube there are very few groups/companies/whatever that could keep up with that kind of bandwidth. Federation helps here but it's still a pretty niche thing for 99% of people who don't know/care and just want their social media/forum/video site to work.
mfed1122
in reply to magguzu • • •magguzu
in reply to mfed1122 • • •mfed1122
in reply to magguzu • • •I had recently heard about that service for the first time and I do think it's a good step forward. But like you said, being properly walled off is a big miss w.r.t the ideal vision of Internet culture. I think that's why I like the idea of server bill crowdfunding (same model that Lemmy instances use basically). Some people need to step up and pay for it, and once a threshold is reached, the content is publicly available for all. But it's not like the people who pay are martyrs, since of course if nobody pays then the thing is lost entirely.
For a video hosting service, I feel like paywalling features is a good compromise, too. Once the bills are covered, everyone gets to enjoy ad-free, unsponsored videos... something along those lines would be preferable, at least to me since I feel like the openness of the internet is a great component to what makes it such a special place. Not that I mind private internet spaces either. I think both are important. So I think Nebula has a place in my personal utopian internet landscape too lol
socsa
in reply to yabai • • •moonburster
in reply to ardi60 • • •For those select few that have an iPhone
You have a few options:
- be EU citizen and sideload a cracked YouTube (similar to vanced, but you need certificates on iOS which sucks)
- pay for a dev account and sideload regardless of above
- buy two apps: vinegar and AdGuard. AdGuard speaks for itself, vinegar is a tool that forces YouTube to use the html 5 player inside of safari and thus forcing it to your will
I know iPhones are hated here, but I saw the android will stop sideloading coming from a mile away. At least here in the eu apple can suck one and I can still sideload whatever I want
cyberwolfie
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moonburster
in reply to cyberwolfie • • •FiskFisk33
in reply to cyberwolfie • • •damnthefilibuster
in reply to moonburster • • •Also, the dev’s other apps are pretty amazing too!
moonburster
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in reply to PieMePlenty • • •Time to dress up as a pirate I guess.
Matriks404
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in reply to ardi60 • • •HalfSalesman
in reply to ardi60 • • •I'm on my brother's premium. I told myself if my brother stopped wanting to pay for it I'd pay for it myself because I hate ads that much.
On the other hand, if Youtube itself takes it away from me I'm going to just stop watching Youtube.
inclementimmigrant
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in reply to ardi60 • • •RagingRobot
in reply to x4740N • • •NotKyloRen
in reply to RagingRobot • • •They don't care about whether they live with you or not. It's about providing less service than what you're paying for. Like how mobile carriers say, "unlimited data*" -- *after 25GB, we [may] slow your connection speed to 256kbps. So this way, it's "5 accounts*" -- *they must physically live with you. So now you're paying for 5 accounts, where 3 or 4 of them technically are unusable.
Why? Money. Those other people who you would have shared with now need to get their own account(s). Suddenly, "profits are through the roof!" -- until the next big squeeze. At this point, Google is squeezing its customers like a dry tube of toothpaste.
rekabis
in reply to ardi60 • • •Sure, it takes a bit of effort. But if you replace your routers with ones that have open-source firmware or actual workstations acting as gateway routers and running business-class open-source software, you can create a personal VPN between everyone involved that shows only one exit point to world+dog.
The trick is with ensuring that all YouTube stuff gets properly and comprehensively funnelled through this exit node - VPNs can easily leak data if not configured properly, and sometimes do so despite good configs - and implementing this even on other devices that require individual VPN connectivity (roaming, like phones).
Plus, having a mobile device’s VPN auto-recognize when it’s connected to a known good network, and have it automatically disable itself in favour of the VPN on that network, is not something that’s easy to do.
Finally, doing so without a high-quality, high-speed ISP plan can easily lead to an unusably slow VPN. The “mothership” exit node, in particular, would have to be gigabit or better - and symmetrical as well, so fibre and not cable - because it has both the node and connections to other homes and devices. If everyone started suckling the YouTube teat at the same time, things would likely slow down pretty fast on anything significantly less than a symmetrical gigabit connection.
Camelbeard
in reply to rekabis • • •AlexLost
in reply to ardi60 • • •rumba
in reply to AlexLost • • •You just install tailscale on a home computer, tell it it's an exit node. Install tailscale on your phone and your laptop and whatever other computers you have.
Boom, VPN home and use your home IP.
pleaseletmein
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