Ruling party targets house dissolution as rival gains crucial support
Renegade party Bhumjaithai wins support of largest force in parliament
Thailand in deadlock for days since PM's dismissal by court
Dominant Shinawatra dynasty's struggling to win backing to rule
BANGKOK, Sept 3 (Reuters) - The leader of Thailand's Bhumjaithai Party said on Wednesday he had enough votes to become prime minister after winning over the biggest group in parliament, as the ruling party moved to block his path by petitioning the king to approve a snap election.
There has been a dramatic scramble for power in Thailand since Friday's sacking of Prime Minister Paetongtarn Shinawatra by a court, with Pheu Thai, the long dominant ruling party of the billionaire Shinawatra political dynasty, clinging on desperately to avert a humiliating fall from grace.
LONDON, Sept 3 (Reuters) - British Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner was fighting for her political future on Wednesday after acknowledging she had underpaid property tax owed when she bought an apartment in a southern English seaside resort.
Annexation in West Bank would undermine spirit of normalisation accords with Israel, UAE envoy tells Reuters
UAE's criticism touches on Israeli plans to build settlement dividing West Bank
Far-right Israeli minister says maps being drafted for annexing territory in West Bank
DUBAI, Sept 3 (Reuters) - The United Arab Emirates warned Israel on Wednesday that annexation in the occupied West Bank would constitute a "red line" for Abu Dhabi that would severely undermine the spirit of the Abraham Accords that normalised UAE-Israeli relations.
The comments by the UAE, the most prominent of the three Arab states that signed the accords with Israel when President Donald Trump was first in office, amounted to Abu Dhabi's sharpest criticism of Israel since the Gaza war erupted in 2023, when Hamas launched its cross-border raid from the enclave.
Imagine being so shitty that even the Emirates are like "wtf dude." On the other hand, given that this is still the Emirates (those guys are funding their own genocide in Sudan) I sincerely doubt this will lead to anything.
I think Bin Zayed is starting to get cold feet that his people eventually could turn on him too. But the greed remains stronger as we see in continued dealings with Israel, the pillaging of Sudan, destabilizing Libya...
MOSCOW, Sept 3 (Reuters) - Russia's defence ministry said on Wednesday that its troops had captured "about half" of the city of Kupiansk in Ukraine's northeastern Kharkiv region, but Ukraine's military denied any such advance.
Reuters could not independently confirm the battlefield reports from either side.
Kupiansk has been the focus of months of increased Russian military activity and heavy fighting. Russian troops captured the city in the early weeks of their February 2022 invasion and Ukrainian forces took it back later that same year.
Much of the city has been destroyed as Moscow tries to seize it back as part of a slow advance westward along parts of the 1,000-km (620-mile) long frontline.
They want to exaggerate their territorial gains in order to send a message that their victory is inevitable. In the past two to three years, they've gained about 2% of Ukrainian territory, while sustaining huge and unsustainable casualties.
They continue to sustain the unsustainable casualties and equipment losses though. If history teaches us one thing, it’s not to get into body piling contest with the Russians.
Argentine government denounces illegal espionage operation carried out by ‘individuals linked to Russian intelligence services’ ahead of crucial midterm election
But they are pretending not to be. Every week Trump says he's mad at Putin. Honestly I don't know why they are doing this. EU knows they are allies but is to weak to do anything about it and MAGA base loves Putin now. I think it's only so that Republicans can pretending Democrats are crazy and the whole "Russia Russia" thing was a scam.
Fr.... Just like the Epstein files.... I can't believe this fool is trying to convince his dip shit base that it's all a hoax after he talked nonstop about it for several years
This will be the first and last time I type or say anything even remotely close to the following in regards to this group: go tf off, my lds homies! Keep screaming til that salt lake shakes!
Well they were very against the current president as well but they all voted for him. I think the nature of being religious leads one too follow the leader. They have faith their leaders are not leading them into the abyss and this is all part of the great plan.
Domenica 7 settembre 2025, dalle ore 19, nuvole permettendo, presso il Podere Casanteria (via Canova 16, Faenza, tra Cosina e Pieve Corleto) in collaborazione con l'Associazione ACSÈ, osserveremo l'Eclissi Totale di Luna e le meraviglie del cielo di settembre, ad occhio nudo e con i binocoli e i telescopi del Gruppo Astrofili Faenza.
Ingresso libero e gratuito, prenotazione gradita ma non necessaria.
L'eclissi inizierà globalmente alle 17:28 con l'ingresso della Luna nella penombra della Terra, e alle 18:27 ci sarà l'ingresso in ombra, ma queste fasi non saranno visibili da Faenza, in quanto la Luna sarà ancora sotto l'orizzonte.
La fase di totalità (con la Luna completamente immersa nell'ombra della Terra) inizia alle 19:31, e in Italia la Luna sorgerà intorno a quell'ora.
In particolare, nella zona di Faenza, la Luna sorge intorno alle 19:34.
Bisogna considerare che il Sole a Faenza tramonta alle 19:37, per cui potrebbe non essere facile individuare il disco eclissato della Luna (rosso scuro e poco luminoso) tra le ultime luci del giorno. Prevediamo quindi che vedremo "comparire" in cielo la Luna eclissata mano a mano che si fa buio e il cielo diventa più scuro.
Alle 20:11 avremo il massimo dell'eclissi, alle 20:52 terminerà la totalità, e alle 21:56 la Luna uscirà completamente dall'ombra, ma sarà ancora in penombra fino alle 22:55.
Nonostante il caldo diurno, le temperature di notte possono ridursi notevolmente, specialmente in aperta campagna. Per passare una serata piacevole, si consiglia di portare qualcosa per coprirsi in caso di freddo.
::: spoiler the part of it about israel REESE: A different war, Israel, a March Pew Poll, found that 53% of surveyed U.S. adults had an unfavorable view of Israel, that’s down – or that is up from 42% in 2022. Among young Republicans under 50, 50% have an unfavorable view of Israel. That’s up from 35% in 2022. There’s a growing group within the MAGA, America First coalition, Republicans, especially younger Republicans, who are skeptical of our support for Israel. Are you aware of this group? Are you worried about it?
TRUMP: Yeah I’m aware of it. So, Israel is amazing, because, you know, I have good support from Israel. I have. Look, nobody has done more for Israel than I have, including the recent attacks with Iran, wiping that thing out. We, that plane, wiped them out like nobody ever saw before. You know, we got back and CNN was trying to say ‘well, maybe it wasn’t complete,’ and it turned out totally complete, beyond complete. But when, if you go back 20 years. I mean, I will tell you, Israel had the strongest lobby in Congress of anything or body, or of any company or corporation or state that I’ve ever seen. Israel was the strongest. Today, it doesn’t have that strong a lobby. It’s amazing.
There was a time where you couldn’t speak bad, if you wanted to be a politician, you couldn’t speak badly. But today, you have, you know, AOC plus three, and you have all these lunatics, and they’ve really, they’ve changed it. You’re too young to know this, but if you go back 15 years, probably that’s when it started, right. Israel, you would understand this very much, Israel was the strongest lobby I’ve ever seen. They had total control over Congress, and now they don’t, you know, I’m a little surprised to see that. And people, they forgot about October 7th. You know, October 7th was a truly horrible day, because I’ve seen the pictures.
REESE: I was just over in Israel, and we went right up to the war where you could hear the bombs dropping in Gaza. And we went to the places from October 7th. Scary. Being in it. I understand —
TRUMP: It was a really bad one, right?
REESE: Yeah.
TRUMP: And you know, you have people that deny it ever happened, they’re deniers. You have people that deny the Holocaust ever happened. So, they’re gonna have to get that war over with. But it is hurting Israel. There’s no question about it. They may be winning the war, but they’re not winning the world of public relations, you know, and it is hurting them. But Israel was the strongest lobby 15 years ago that there has ever been, and now it’s, it’s been hurt, especially in Congress. :::
The Daily Caller's White House correspondent Reagan Reese interviewed President Donald Trump for an hour in the Oval Office. This is the full transcript.
It's not huge, but it's substantial and certainly an improvement.
Last time the House stalled Biden went around them breaking multiple US and international laws. trump won't do that unless Israel pays him personally a lot of money
So trump actually is right here, Israel lost total control over US Congress. Having a sitting president willing to circumvent Congress to provide arms for a genocide is pretty "total", and they no longer have that.
It wasn’t a single issue vote or Congress would have just approved it.
It also didn’t break U.S. laws, it’s the bullshit emergency bypass that Trump keeps doing for everything
And then you say that Trump won’t do it unless Israel pays him but the way he is behaving makes it seem like they are considering he is taking funding from school over not crushing pro Palestine protests and is calling it anti semitism
Biden fucking sucked for the people of Gaza but it’s only gotten worse since Trump was made president
Israel has prez compromised, his payment is them not showing the videos of him banging underage girls. Russia may have some of it now too, and the prez's own fixers have leaked info from justice in first term to add to his lifelong collection of blackmail.
Our polits are compromised every which way. The snake eating it's own tail, and yes it is a viper in the nest.
They are probably involved. Maxwells father had known ties with Mossad, a former Israeli prime minister had lived at Epsteins place for a couple weeks and raped children with him. Recently the head of Israeli cybersecurity tried to groom a minor to rape her in Las Vegas...
Epstein used to take private jet flights with israeli spy chiefs to israel and back, it is not much of a secret anymore, even the reactionary right realize it now.
The two subjects are one and the same. Epstein was an Israeli honeypot. But that is surely the tip of the iceberg. Our own intelligence agencies presumably helped them too.
The transcript. You know, it's the best transcript in human history, i just saw it yesterday. And my administration, they tell me they've never seen such a great transcript. Truly marvellous. I've probably created the best transcript in history.
The Labour Party could have made the case for a humane immigration system that treats refugees with dignity. Instead it has fanned the flames of racism and emboldened the far right.
How very sad it is that Corbyn was ousted as leader for making the case for Palestinian rights too early. Now look at what the current ruling Labour party is doing.
He's one of the most honest, straight talking and unpretentious politicians I've ever seen. It's a real shame the UK missed its chance to change direction with him.
Unpretentious? There was a chance to stop hard Brexit, and the opposition parties called a meeting to organise it. Corbyn flounced out of the room in a huff because some independents were invited. The vote passed. That’s pretentiousness.
This is a very weird framing of what I understand was a refusal to join a meeting in Jan 2018, which was organised by SNP and had no government presence. He never went in the room at all, so the "flounced out in a huff" appears to be complete fiction.
I personally don't think that one meeting, containing small parties that were not in power, had any meaningful effect on the proposed deal with the EU, which was still being discussed up until 2020.
I don't think letting asylum seekers work would make a blind bit of difference. The right just don't want them here at all. They want them to stop coming, not let them continue coming but then working. The right will just complain that they're taking people's jobs.
I'd be curious what approach Corbyn's policy would be on this.
I don't think letting asylum seekers work would make a blind bit of difference.
It would because if they can work and become productive members of society, the real issues fueling rightwing bigotry would be lessened. Of course the already bigoted will want them gone, but the right relies on issues like crime and the budget to spread.
The right will just complain that they're taking people's jobs.
True, which is why a comprehensive leftwing program is necessary to facilitate job creation and provide safety nets for those who fall through the cracks.
As long as they keep seeing x number of immigrants arriving each day, they'll keep voting far right. They just want them to stop, I think they've been clear on that. They want a party who says what they want to hear (I doubt Reform would be able to do anything about it).
I think the reason why asylum seekers aren't allowed to work is because the stay is supposed to be strictly temporary. They're supposed to return home when things are safe. Letting them work would probably make it less likely they're going to return home if they start settling. I can't see that being a popular policy as they'll see it making the UK more inviting (either way it's the wrong move as they'll just complain they're on benefits).
Again, my point isn't that addressing issues related to immigration would make bigoted people not bigoted; it's that doing so would curb the far right's ability to expand. By delivering material gains for the working class and leading by example, it's possible to inoculate the wider electorate against the far right (and the right in general). Immigrants are only one scapegoat in a long line of scapegoats; the real mechanism behind the spread of rightwing ideas is that they provide something to scapegoat for people's (very real) troubles. Put another way, Hitler didn't need immigrants.
China's harvesting of detainees' organs serves a booming transplant trade that is worth some $1 billion a year, according to an international tribunal.
Putin's good friend and fellow enjoyer of underage kids Berlusconi also had great faith in organ transplanting to live forever. Leukemia decided not to care about his opinion tho.
The fact that they are serious just shows how dumb they really are. We are not even close to that. The stress from that many transplants would probably reduce life expectancy. But let's just imagine it works, you would still have to deal with brain degeneration and dementia. These are not serious people. Can we please stop allowing arrogant psychopaths to take top positions of power
Yup. The elderly generally do not do well with: 1. Major surgery 2. Immunosuppression
And they're asking for repeated episodes of 1 and possibly 75 years of 2. I'd be all for letting them slowly kill themselves this way if it weren't for the fact that every organ they use is an organ that could've been given to someone who actually needs it.
Your phrasing of "allowing" implies that these guys are in power through some sort of legitimate electoral process. They're both dictators, who claimed power through force and intimidation. There's no "let" about it, nor any "say" in the situation from people at large.
Just because dictators demand to be called by western elected official terminology in translations to english media, doesn't make them same animal. It's propaganda meant to normalize their rule.
Every country is a democracy in a sense. Its just a matter of the amount of effort needed for the people to make their voices heard. Under dictatorships, to make your voices heard, it usually requires a significant threat of violence. Its much more stable in the long term to just have elections. Not fighting for a better government is, in a sense, allowing that dictatorship to continue.
Right, by that reasoning the people of Gaza are willingly allowing themselves to be genocided. They should just rise up and declare a democracy in the region.
That's a little bit of a different issue. Not so much a dictator taking power from within but an invading neighbor. My appeal would be to the Israelis. Netanyahu should have been gone a long time ago. If I remember right he was under a lot of pressure before Oct 7.
To me it seems naive to think that the disparity between the people of Gaza, and the people of Israel, is not dissimilar to the wealth inequality of the poor, and the rich. People seem to gloss over how modern western democracies generally got going -- through violent revolutions with lots of dead rich people. And those movements were often seeded by essentially the middle class military, who the rich had paid to outfit with the intent that they'd carry out the upper class's orders. People like Cromwell didn't exactly wake up one day, and just happen to trip across a bunch of Cannons to point at the British royalty. Until there'd been that blunder from the nobility giving the military too much autonomy, coupled with the advent of Canons, the ability for regular peasants to rise up against the nobility and their goon squads was pretty fuckin limited. For such a revolutionary figure to emerge from a poor, downtrodden and financially bereft area such as Gaza, would just be highly improbable.
Like China hired gangs of thugs with bats to beat the shit out of Democratic advocates during the crack down in Hong Kong, and has taken out bounties on people living abroad who advocate too vocally for human rights in the region. You can't realistically look at what went on there, in my view, and say that the people didn't try really hard to maintain their civil liberties -- but were beaten down quite explicitly by force and the sheer scale of resources available to the CCP. Yes, if there was some mass uprising all across the country they could spontaneously change their systems of governance -- but that's practically unheard of in real world countries of note in modern times. Taking a more realistic view of the situation doesn't make it any better, in that things will most likely continue to suck for most people, but it at least sets more reasonable expectations.
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here, but yes there are lots of oppressed people all over the world. There are lots of people fighting for a better world. I just meant to plead to the ones who are not. Authoritarians have power because a not insignificant amount of people support or at least tolerate them. I used to think that everyone could agree that anyone who wants to be a dictator should be held far away from positions of power, but now there are too many people that tolerate it when their leaders go too far.
Have they ever met someone trying to live with an organ transplant? It's not like swapping out parts for a machine. Your immune system is permanently suppressed to prevent rejection so you are at risk for so many other problems, and even if you don't reject the organ, you will need another replacement eventually.
It's disturbing when you hear the idiot techbro billionaires fantasizing about engineering their own immortality, but it's really disappointing that the most powerful world leaders are also this detached from reality. All the most powerful people are utterly delusional sociopaths.
Honestly it's great to know they're struggling with their inevitable deaths. Got to sting a bit. They're headed for the same dirt they've sent so many people to.
They have a child's understanding of the concepts... which is not particularly surprising, you don't get to be a dictator by being well-educated, in fact it almost requires being shut off from as much knowledge as possible. They tend to be unable to hear the truth and basically force their underlings to gaslight them.
leaders of two of the world's most technologically prominent countries muse on the prospects of transhumanism in front of a crowd of dozens
rabid disapproval from liberals who claim that Putin and Xi got caught on a hot mic wanting to live forever so they can rule eternally or something, idk
Seriously, the reading comprehension is abysmal in this thread. Can someone show me where Putin or Xi said they personally wished to live to 150?
Not even remotely related to the part I quoted and laughed at, but I'll humour you.
It's called deduction, you just need to use that gray matter of yours. Two, rather old, psychopaths muse about extending one's lifetime. Could it be that they themselves have a vested interest in this? No, that must be a conspiracy theory by filthy liberals.
Not even remotely related to the part I quoted and laughed at, but I'll humour you
So how does a claim regarding Russia's technological capabilities relate to my original comment? The only person being humoured here is you.
The way the healthy skepticism just leaves the liberal mind once a state department hit pieces comes out is laughable. You have been effortlessly oriented. Yall just eat this shit up. "Deduction"... lmao.
Again, maybe one day show me where Putin or Xi expressed interest in extending their lifespan. You won't.
My original claim was that in none of these articles is there any evidence of Putin or Xi expressing interesting in extending their lifespan.
It's a claim you still have yet to disprove, btw.
Claiming that Russia is not technologically advanced is a nonsequiter. Refusing to engage with a nonsequiter is not underhanded. And you're not humouring anyone by backing down from your attempt to turn this conversation into one about Russia's technological capabilities. You're just backpedaling.
Again, please show me where Putin or Xi expressed interest in extending their lives.
Old farts should sit in care homes, not ruling nations. Term limits and the same age cutoff as the regular blue collar worker and then go paint bad pictures on your ranch like W Bush.
I didn't think I'd ever get a very opinion of the latter, but here we go.
I don't object to old farts ruling nations. If they're elected or otherwise democratically chosen, so be it. It's just that there should be a term limit for everyone. 5 to 10 years top then you're out.
I think there's a difference between the problems with leading a nation stemming from the natural ails of very old age versus what minority someone was born as.
Putin strikes me as the kind of guy who would have some clones grown in the comfort of their blissful ignorance to harvest as spare parts in case of an emergency the great leader finds himself in. 🤷
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Malware Uniqueness:
The initial installer is a 128 MB MSI file that mimics the legitimate GitHub Desktop installer but contains over 100 dummy executables to inflate size and evade sandbox limits.
The installer employs a GPU‑gated decryption routine: an OpenCL™ kernel derives the AES key only on machines with a real GPU, whose device name is at least ten characters long, causing the payload to remain encrypted in headless analysis environments. (A headless environment is where the front-end or user interface of an application (the “head”) has been decoupled from the back-end services, allowing each to be developed and operated separately.)
The GPU-based decryption mechanism suggests the attackers are targeting systems with specific hardware configurations, potentially focusing on users involved in development, gaming, or cryptocurrency mining activities.
- Campaign Goals: We believe the goal of this campaign was to gain initial access to organizations for the purposes of malicious activity such as credential theft, infostealing and ransomware deployment, by misleading IT workers (who often have higher level of network access) into downloading malware while attempting to install GitHub Desktop. - Geography and Industries Targeted: The campaign we observed targeted users in Western Europe, in the Information Technology industry. - Attribution: The threat actors behind this campaign have native Russian language proficiency, as demonstrated by PowerShell script comments written in Russian. :::
a threat actor leveraged GitHub’s repository structure together with paid placements on Google Ads to funnel users toward a malicious download hosted on a lookalike domain. By embedding a commit‑specific link in the advertisement, the attackers made the download appear to originate from an official source, effectively sidestepping typical user scrutiny
The delivered malware is unique: the bloated 128 MB Microsoft Software Installer (MSI) evades most existing security sandboxes, while a Graphics Processing Unit (GPU)-gated decryption routine keeps the payload encrypted on systems without a real GPU. We have called this new attack technique “GPUGate”.
Arctic Wolf has uncovered a sophisticated delivery chain: a threat actor abused GitHub’s repository structure and Google Ads to redirect users to a malicious download, while a GPU-gated decryption routine keeps the payload encrypted on systems withou…
Belgium will join France in recognizing a Palestinian state at the upcoming UN General Assembly session in New York this month, the country’s foreign minister announced on 2 September.
Zionism is a political, legal, moral, economical and social liability. If they won't stop supporting it, because that is the legal and moral thing to do, then they need to suffer consequences that make them stop supporting Zionism.
Belgian here. Their wording is confusing and I’ve been trying to figure out how much of it is meaningful.
They tacked on a precondition to them recognizing Palestine: Hamas must give up power. I don’t see that condition being met faster than Israel can flatten what remains of Gaza and force its population out – which in turn only creates more suffering and anger for the militant recruit pipeline.
The sanctions mostly concern boycotts on products produced in occupied regions. Fuck that – boycott all trade with Israel.
Our rightwing prime minister is on record saying that the whole debate was annoyingly motivated by ‘morality’ and that he’s glad the government (an uneasy coalition) can move on to more important matters. Downright shameful.
Come protest this Sunday in Brussels. Last one was attended by 100k demonstrators. Was a fun afternoon. More info at 11.be
Whitout doubting what you say, from this last tweet it looks like the narrative (at least in this instance) has shifted? In the sense that this text seems pretty clear to me.
No matter what, I hope the protest goes incredibly well!!
Honestly, recognition is worthless. The sanctions on the West Bank settlement goods are all that matters and that is huge. Good job on that (if actually implemented).
How the world’s largest encyclopedia became the factual foundation of the web, but now it’s under attack from the right wing, tech billionaires, and AI.
Is it paywalled in some countries? I saw the article when it first went up and it was paywalled then — The Verge restricts new articles to paid subscribers. But after an hour or two it went free to read and the link is fine now. At least from my machine in my location — can't speak for others and the Archive link is definitely welcome.
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Thanks for encouraging to read the whole thing. That is a loooong article! But a great informative read. Took me a couple of sittings to read it all properly, well worth it!
I had no idea about so many of the challenges they’ve gone through & seemingly managed to fight back so many attempts to control & mask the content on more volatile subjects. Always had a lot of respect for the editors, but even more so now.
I do donate a small amount to them once or twice a year. I think I will try to increase my donations going forward knowing it might help with some of their legal fights.
Knowledge really is power, & we all deserve access to true knowledge, more now than ever it seems.
Lots of it is still pretty shit, but that's what happens when you have an entry on incredibly obscure things where there's not a lot of sources information.
A free open source alternative Wikipedia front-end focused on privacy. 1. No JavaScript or ads. 2. All requests go through the backend, client never talks to Wikipedia. 3. Prevents Wikipedia getting your IP address. 4. Self-hostable. Anyone can setup a private or public instance.^[[1] https://github.com/RealFascinated/wikiless]
1: You can easily disable JavaScript and still browse Wikipedia without any issue. This also removes all banners, which I assume is what I mean by "ads", which on Wikipedia only appear from time to time and advertise WMF events and donations.
2 and 3: Your IP address is deleted after 3 months, and there's nothing people can do to you just for reading Wikipedia either. Just visiting Wikipedia's servers carries no risk. The exception is if you edit courts could get your personal information when the WMF loses a case, but you can't edit using an open proxy like Wikiless either (because if they allowed you to edit, it would be also be easy for banned editors to edit).
I hate to say it, but I don't think Wikipedia is as neutral or as open as it claims to be. Some of the article comments talk about there definitely being some bias against anonymous editors, even if they're correct.
I'm not sure if it was in that article or in another comment section, but someone said after Elon Musk did the Nazi salute at Trump's event, an anonymous user mentioned it and there was a big controversy. And a registered user took it down and berated them for it, and another registered user came along an added the salute info back in and it was fine. Or something like that.
I definitely still think Wikipedia is a net good. But it seems to me any time you have a centralised source of information, a small group of people will fight to control the narrative so they can spin it any which way they want. For example, on Reddit, my favorite band's unofficial subreddit is run by a guy who bans any fan cams of the events — unless they're his. So obviously he does fan cams so he can make ad money on YouTube, but he uses Reddit to block those of others to direct the traffic to his. I think Fandom (the shitty wiki site with all the ads) run a lot of gaming communities, again, to drive ad revenue. Lot of that shit going on. I mean, if they tried that on Lemmy, someone could just open a community on another instance and the users could then decide who they want to support.
Is Wikipedia susceptible to that kind of influence? Of course it is. And I worry about it being taken over by the wrong people. I don't think that has happened yet, but I've seen it happen on other sites.
To be clear, we should definitely support Wikipedia against the alt right, but we should also be cautious that they, and other bad actors, don't destroy its credibility from within. Yes, the alt right has their own Wikipedia (Conservapedia or something like that) but that's not good enough, they want ours to be theirs, too.
Wikipedia has mountains of useful information, but it is limited and censored when it comes to "controversial" and dissident information, due to it being the status quo and the establishment.
It is known the three-letter agencies have a lot of power controlling and censoring information in media and social media; this includes Wikipedia.
We should always question and be highly critical of these types of organizations and groups, similar to anything politicians and the military spew out.
Thanks for your informative comment; it seems many don't know or care to question status quo sources and establishment organizations.
Whistleblowers and independent journalists have spoken about this for many years.
I don't see that in the comments and the article said user PickleG13 was the first person to add the salute information. You can also just go check at the Elon Musk article.
did that squabble include moderators or was it just some users? anything will have issues especially on that large of a scale and the 'hand wave vs nazi salute' was debated for the first few days when it happened (though it's an utterly BS argument when looking at his history)
For your Lemmy example of just opening a community on another instance, is that really any different than on Reddit opening a new sub with a different name? You just need subscribers to migrate, or at least add your sub.
So on Reddit, the people who run the iPhone subs have iPhone 17, iPhone 18, iPhone 19, and so on registered and they're squatting on them until they become useful. Or Fallout 3, Fallout 4, Fallout 5, Fallout 6... Now what some people have done is add a word. Like you have the "Cyberpunk" sub and "Low Sodium Cyberpunk." That works. Or like you have Atheism, and you have RealAtheism. So you can put a word on it, or something like that. But you'll never be able to be the "original" because a small group of people control those.
Now with Lemmy, those same people will just make those communities on the biggest Lemmy instance, but they won't do it on all of them. I use Divisions by Zero, which leans a little further left than some of the others, it's more of a fringe instance I guess? They're probably not gonna target that. So if someone made a community and tried to divert views to their videos for profit like I said in my example, I could make a community with the exact same name on this instance. The other community probably wouldn't let me advertise it there. I could do it once and get banned and maybe get a couple people to join both, at least, but I could promote it on neutral ground, and people could decide who they want to support. Because of federation, even if you aren't on db0, you can still subscribe to a community hosted on it. Like this community is on lemmy.world and I'm subscribed to it and freely commenting on it (at least until/if lemmy.world decides to defederate the instance I'm on — they have that right and ability. But I could make an account on their instance or one that is federated with them. And that's kosher as far as I know, as long as I myself am following the rules of the instances I post on.
I’m not sure if it was in that article or in another comment section, but someone said
a small group of people will fight to control the narrative so they can spin it any which way they want.
Your source for your broad categorization and claims seems incredibly weak. "Someone said, somewhere, I'm not sure where I read it, though."
Wikipedia tracks anonymous contributions, too. You could check the Article and Article Discussion pages histories before making these claims, and before concluding from one comment that Wikipedia has the same systematic issues like Reddit or other closed-group moderated platforms.
As far as I see it, Wikipedia has a different depth and transparency on guidelines, requirements, open discussion, and actions. It has a lot of additional safeguards compared to something like Reddit. Admins are elected, not "first-come".
What I find much more plausible than "they didn't want to accept an anonymous contribution" is that the anonymous contributor may not have adequately sourced their claims and contributions. Even if they did, I find it much more likely that it may have been removed, then a discussion was done in the page discussion, and then it was added back.
Of course, instead of theorizing what happened in that case I could have checked Wikipedia too. But I also want to make a point about my general and systematic expectation of how Wikipedia works, which other platforms do not have.
Good science is boring, good politics is boring, good espionage is boring, good journalism is boring, good history is boring, good banking is boring, good business is boring. Entertainment serves us this pop view of the world...
But wikipedia is more valuable than all the LLM slop machines combined.
This is so true. These systems that provide the foundation to our daily existence should be all boing, because they should be always working well and never surprise us.
Then everybody would get the chance and energy to pursue excitement in their life’s meaningful parts: having interesting conversations with friends, passionate relationships with their partner, or finding excitement anywhere from horror movies to skydiving.
WMF has been headquartered in San Francisco since 2007, with chapters and data centers around the world. Not that California's in the US, but much better than Florida.
No, you don't get it, the US has so excelled in pitting others against each other to emerge as one victor, than it's bringing the thing home. So you are going to weaken yourselves by making a quarreling mess of the old system, then it imploding and some nominally democratic and free new system taking over. Probably simultaneously trying to nuke half of the rest of the world.
I’m not Russian at all and I want to separate because all I get from the federal union is taxation without representation. I’m tired of subsidizing failed religious extremists. It’s abundantly clear that there is no rule of law at the federal level, and I would sooner die than bend the knee to a king.
Edit: and our homegrown Russian asset Jill Stein has never once mentioned balkanization. I just don’t believe your accusation, it doesn’t seem to be based in reality.
As a Russian, honestly these are all sorts of shit with no practical difference for us.
Except for Alaska, some people think it shouldn't have been sold. And 0.7 mln total population is (far) less than Crimea.
That aside, a confederacy (I guess some other word would be better) of the old US and some more autonomous things, like, for example, California, would possibly be a stabilizer.
Sincere question as a foreigner, is there any basis to this "Jill Stein is a Russian asset" thing other than the nature of FPTP voting resulting in the royally fucked-up US two-party system?
Very much yes, we literally do not have laws restricting “donations” and “fundraising” for politicians here. I say this as someone who (embarrassingly) voted for her when I was young and uninformed many many years ago because I liked the headlines her party platform pushed. I am not sober enough to spam you with news articles at the moment but please feel free to bug me again tomorrow. If you do some of your own reading please tell me where you heard it and I will provide context as well.
There's been a number of news coverages of this. It's not like it's the biggest operation or anything but they have been trying to plant that seed intentionally.
I think they's perfectly understandable and their links directly discuss Russia funding Californian separatism. The only error's pluralizing "coverage".
Lol. I just have a writing style that I use. It can be considered eclectic with a mix of various influences. The pluralized word is a buffy "whedonesque" influence.
But the point is that Russia has been running alternative warfare efforts and cyber stuff for a long time. They stoke various movements and invent ideas and spread them with bots and shills. Basically anything that strengthens Russian imperialism and weakens or fractures NATO.
“One of the things I really love about Wikipedia is it forces you to have measured, emotionless conversations with people you disagree with in the name of trying to construct the accurate narrative,”
Yeah, I think what makes Wikipedia resilient is that you can’t just go there and say something subjective. You need to find the correct way to state the actual fact, even when it can have different interpretations. Cause that way, no group can contest it.
Oh no, I once had an article I contributed removed for exactly that, notability. Not sourcing or lack thereof. That was also the last time I ever contributed, obviously.
It didn't help that a couple years later somebody else decided it was notable after all and created the article.
Notability is sourcing: Articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. They even made a catchy name for it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedi… (well they borrowed it but you catch my drift). Even if every single claim is Verifiable, it will be deleted if there aren't enough secondary (independent of the topic) sources because it's dangerous and likely non-neutral to only hear the subject's view of themselves. Confusing Notability with something else is a pretty common pitfall for new article creators, so there's things like "Articles for creation" where you can submit article drafts for review and have conversations with the reviewer on what exactly is wrong with your article, as well as many other guides and forums like Help:Your first article, WP:Teahouse, and WP:Help desk.
It didn't help that a couple years later somebody else decided it was notable after all and created the article.
The essay en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedi… is often cited to say "This might get the needed sourcing in a few years, but right no we can't tell, so it's better to create the article again when it has what's needed to align with our content guidelines rather than rush to make a misleading one right now." So either that's exactly what your situation was, or . I'd love to take a look at the article you're talking about.
It was about Leeroy Jenkins. Yes, I'm old. No, it wasn't about reliable sources or neutrality. It was literally because a bunch of folk decided it wasn't important enough to be immortalised in Wikipedia. It was very much reflective of the bias of the editors at the time.
Ooh, creating that article's a lifetime achievement!
Looking at the deletion discussion, I see why you would think everyone only looked at the fame, but none of the article's citations such as "Leeroy/Mortal Kombat Techno Remix" could've shown that it was actually a meme beyond someone's personal character. One editor mentioned hardly finding any Leeroy Jenkins results from Google back then, let alone reliable sources. I have to admit there were definitely some !votes that didn't look for sourcing, though It doesn't help that the article did look like something some random guy created for their OC:
Comically offsetting his ham-handed actions, which led directly to the disgraceful slaughter of his entire group, Leeroy is shown with exhibiting machismo [...]
Anyways, just five months later a year-old editor with just over 200 edits made a draft with plenty of good sourcing and took it to WP:DeletionReview, and everyone agreed it was notable enoug.
As of 7 September 2025, there are 7,052,247 articles in the English Wikipedia containing over 4.9 billion words (giving a mean of about 706 words per article). The total number of pages is 63,983,130. Articles make up 11.02 percent of all pages on Wikipedia. As of 16 October 2024, the size of the current version including all articles compressed is about 24.05 GB without media. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedi…
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downloading it is fine but i think the contents of wikipedia are so thoroughly archived that i doubt it is in danger of becoming "lost media".
my fear isn't that the information would be destroyed, but that the ongoing project of keeping the knowledge up to date would stop, or be split across some underground efforts with varying quality standards.
I agree here. I'm looking forward to playing these games myself, but I didn't even consider it being a possible spoiler before the other person mentioned it.
Individually, not much. Journalism as a profession, however, has been not so slowly transitioning to sensationalism in lieu of a "just the facts, folks" methodology. Thats what I call living on drama.
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Soldiers shouldn't march in unison like that. If you were a smart adversary you could just shoot like 30 of them with a single bullet. Just an observation.
Beijing landmark = Tianmen Square. They're mocking democracy as our "king" wears orange paint instead of clothes. They're telling the world that democracy will always devolve into fascism and Nazism. They highlight the nature of man to always seek absolute power while ignoring their role in tipping the USA into madness from afar. It is imperative that we stop the madness in the USA and prove them wrong. The battle has always been democracy vs authoritarianism. They've played us as the right is preoccupied with infantile notions of good versus evil and the left doing the same thing with capitalism versus socialism.
So is the endgame for Ukraine to acquire underground nukes? Honestly that might be the only way to really force a standoff and de-escalation. I wouldn't blame them at all, since they were betrayed after giving up the ones they originally had.
They should be. Russia would have never set a toe in Ukraine if they kept the nukes, and the fuckery of Russia invading and the 'civilized world' sitting around with thumbs up their asses since 2014 seems like proof that having nuclear weapons is a prerequisite to maintaining sovereignty
Some people are getting very very rich from the ongoing war. There are now definitely strong forces at play to keep it going as long as possible, without a victory for any side.
I can’t blame them for wanting it, but let’s not go there.
Reducing the number of countries with nukes was and still is a good idea. Everyone seems to think that MAD was a reasonable strategy because we muddled through without ending civilization. It is not. It is not foregone. It is not likely. It is way too big a risk for all of civilization.
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Action is the first brought under the Act, which ensures consumers can report suspicious activity to online marketplaces and contact major third party sellers
It supports the thesis that Lumo is not open source in many common sense ways that most people would expect when a model claims it is open source. So in that sense, it does though.
In the 1 September update they state they found that web client and a mobile client as well, but not the API (I guess) containing the system prompt and the actual routing to the models.
TLDR: Apps are open, models are open weight but you don't know which one you get, and they have not yet disclosed any tweaks they may have made (although for me, it never sounded like they actually tweak the models all too much)
It get worse, and the model weights is a bit inaccurate with the Sept update:
The only open source code we have found is for the Lumo mobile and web apps. Proton calling the Lumo AI assistant open source based on that is a bit like Microsoft calling Windows open source just because there's a github repository for Windows Terminal.
The models listed on Lumo's privacy policy page are "Nemo, OpenHands 32B, OLMO 2 32B, and Mistral Small 3". OpenHands is a QWEN fine-tune, and Nemo and Mistral Small are both Mistral models. Since Proton has open-sourced neither the Lumo system prompt nor the mysterious routing methods that decide which model will handle your query, you never know what you are going to get.
So if the server isn't open source, and the server does all the work, this system is simply not Open Source.
Prominent women including cultural figures, politicians and campaigners have signed a letter criticising rightwing attempts to link sexual violence in Britain to asylum seekers.
Signatories include the musicians Paloma Faith, Charlotte Church and Anoushka Shankar as well as Labour, Green and independent MPs including Kim Johnson, Ellie Chowns, Diane Abbott and Zarah Sultana.
"We reject the far right’s racist lies about ‘protecting’ women and girls. They are not defenders of women – they exploit violence against women to fuel hate and division,” the letter says.
The open letter, titled Women Against the Far Right, follows a surge in protests outside accommodation housing asylum seekers and far-right attempts to exploit a number of cases of alleged sexual crimes involving asylum seekers.
Signed by; Leftist women from good neighbourhoods.
Signatories include the musicians Paloma Faith, Charlotte Church and Anoushka Shankar as well as Labour, Green and independent MPs including Kim Johnson, Ellie Chowns, Diane Abbott and Zarah Sultana.
So you believe the world is a monoculture? That the entire world shares the same views of sex and gender relations, the same crime statistics everywhere, the same milquetoast liberal mindsets are held across all lands...
...and saying otherwise is "prejudice".
Or basically you think the studies are wrong, and that the "behavioural barriers" mentioned in those studies are just a product of Westerns judging the crimes too harshly:
All issues are class issues, and they only become subject to rightwing populism when ruling leftist elites CHOOSE to disconnect from working class realities in favour of elitism and denial.
Your prejudice is the erasure of all cultural and economic differences. That's the prejudice you're practicing.
(1) Background: Sexual violence (SV) is a major public health problem, with negative socio-economic, physical, mental, sexual, and reproductive health consequences. Migrants, applicants for international protection, and refugees (MARs) are ...
You are clearly defending a prejudice viewpoint. Go on with your bad self, or what the fuck ever. But you can right fuck off with putting words in my mouth to justify your bullshit.
Just so we're clear, those are all your words, your arguments, your bullshit.
Now you're playing rehortorical games rather than responding with an argument.
That's rich coming from someone who's literally spewing xenophobic and politically tribal stereotypes about "good neighborhoods" and "left wing elites" in response to a simple objection to racist demagoguery.
Your studies demonstrate the fact that immigrants are much more likely to be the VICTIMS of sexual violence than native born people, which does NOT justify the "immigrants are coming to rape our women" hate speech that the women in the article are objecting to.
You've just thrown RACE into the conversation here, I said it was cultural and socioeconomic.
How are studies tribalism? Also I'm a leftist, I'm just also aware there are out of touch leftwing elites (writing denialist letters in this case).
Your studies demonstrate the fact that immigrants are much more likely to be the VICTIMS of sexual violence than native born people
No one said otherwise! Sorry, what's your argument? That it doesn't count as rape if immigrant men rape immigrant women? That's disgusting dude.
No asshole, of course that still counts as rape. Of course that's part of the higher amounts of SA and SV in those communities. I don't know why you needed to be shown studies to admit that.
Of course leftist elites aren't going to recognize that, and are going to try to pretend it's not true - like you were doing.
I take it you're no longer claiming it's "just prejudice" to point this stuff out? That you see a problem with not addressing increased rape stats now - and that not addressing and contextualizing gives the far right something to gripe about?
At least admit that much. I'm so sick of leftwingers denying problems. It's a politics of willful blindness and denialism sometimes. Easy to do for professionals at the top end of town.
Your studies demonstrate the fact that immigrants are much more likely to be the VICTIMS of sexual violence than native born people
No one said otherwise! Sorry, what's your argument? That it doesn't count as rape if immigrant men rape immigrant women? That's disgusting dude.
No, that's asinine. My point is that the anti-immigant rhetoric has nothing to do with protecting immigrants from being raped and everything to do with falsely portraying immigrant men as inherently likely to commit rape.
No asshole, of course that still counts as rape
I didn't say or even imply anything to the contrary. You can pack away your weird strawman now.
Of course that's part of the higher amounts of SA and SV in those communities.
Immigrant women being victims ≠ immigrant men being the perpetrators. To imply that immigration leads to rape is like implying that black people existing leads to killer cops.
I don't know why you needed to be shown studies to admit that
I didn't. In fact, I never suggested otherwise, see above.
Of course leftist elites aren't going to recognize that, and are going to try to pretend it's not true - like you were doing.
Again, that's not what's happening here.
The “leftist elites" are objecting to demagogues exploiting the very real problem of sexual violence against women (of which none of them nor I have denied that immigrant women are disproportionately the victims) as a way to further demonize and persecute immigrants.
I take it you're no longer claiming it's "just prejudice" to point this stuff out
Prejudice, conflating victims and perpetrators, or both. Take your pick.
That you see a problem with not addressing increased rape stats now
Nobody's arguing for doing that.
not addressing and contextualizing gives the far right something to gripe about?
That's the POINT: the far right are putting it in a false context for their own disinformation campaigns and you're doing something similar for different reasons.
Meanwhile, the "leftist elites" are simply saying that demonizing and scapegoating immigrants doesn't help any victims and is MUCH more likely to cause MORE immigrants to be assaulted by native born people who are taught to dehumanize them.
I'm so sick of leftwingers denying problems.
Saying that the fascists are blaming the wrong people is not denying that there are problems.
It's a politics of willful blindness and denialism
Nobody's denying anything. At least none of the people you're accusing of it are.
I don't think you being reactionary to a far-right whose not present here, or the letter writers trying to preach to the far-right from a "corrective left" perspective of professionals in the top end of town works.
It's hot air. The far-right aren't going to read the edicts past down from on high and see the error of their ways. It's a totally pipe dream leftism that assumes "being a scold" does anything but push people right.
I mean take yourself - you couldn't even handle my original comment pointing that out. Look at all the time we've wasted here just because you had an "I've detected prejudice" error.
This is just all the stuff the left gets wrong, that feeds into the far-right populism. We need an alternative ti being scolds.
I don't think you being reactionary to a far-right whose not present here, or the letter writers trying to preach to the far-right from a "corrective left" perspective of professionals in the top end of town works.
Good thing that none of that is happening, then.
It's hot air
Back to the self-description, I see.
The far-right aren't going to read the edicts past down from on high and see the error of their ways
Public figures tend to react to media pressure and other public figures taking a public stand tends to create such pressure. This is politics 101 stuff.
It's a totally pipe dream leftism that assumes "being a scold" does anything but push people right.
So what do you suggest, then? Never speaking up about harmful lies and the suffering they cause? Because that's DEFINITELY not going to convince anyone.
I mean take yourself - you couldn't even handle my original comment pointing that out.
Again with the ridiculous strawmen. You were wrong and I pointed it out. The only one unable to "handle" anything seems to be yourself.
Look at all the time we've wasted here just because you had an "I've detected prejudice" error.
Again, not the case. It doesn't say anything good about your point that you need to keep insisting on two or three strawmen to make it.
This is just all the stuff the left gets wrong, that feeds into the far-right populism. We need an alternative ti being scolds
Yeah, right. Telling them that they're harming people forces them to double down because that's how interpersonal communication works 🙄
You're invoking this comic in spite of pretending to be a leftist yourself:
Oh please, you're the one claiming it's prejudice to call out wealthy leftists for being so far removed from the situation that they don't even know rapes are happening in these communities.
Your defense of ivory towers of wealth, lifestyle disconnection and intellectual privilege is far more fascist aligned than anything I've said.
Hence your whole "anyone who disagrees with me must be MAGA" stance here...
...and again, it's an discourse where studies show that negative reinforcement is far less effective than positive reinforcement. Your line of thinking on these issues actually contributes to the polarisation and prolonging of them (so is pro-rape). As was your original denying there was any issue (saying it was just prejudice).
You just keep pushing bad answers... And I keep having to explain to you what the actual studies say (be they how negative discourse creates polarisation, or the very fact that rapes are happening).
You need to learn political nuance. Get off tiktok or whatever's got you so ideological boxed in.
But yeah, I'm done with you, and your reactionary polarisations. I hate you and we're on the "same side" - I can't imagine you're doing anything out there worthwhile. I just hope people like you can educate yourselves so I don't have to. Good luck.
I don't know where to even BEGIN adequately refuting that whole wall of nonsense, so I won't waste any more time on you to do so. Have the day you deserve.
"Results: Evidence shows that SV is highly frequent in MARs in Europe, yet comparison with other groups is still difficult. Methodologically and ethically sound representative studies comparing between populations are still lacking."
You are just linking studies because you see some numbers and you think it supports the story in your head. These people are aware of the nuances and difficulties of confounders and they don't make any of the baseless claims you are making. All they are saying is "there is high incidence of rape among immigrant females and we should help them by improving reception practices". They even say any over reaching conclusions are wrong. And yet here you are, undermining the work of these authors by fabricating conclusions that don't exist in the papers. I suspect you don't even read the conclusion, or anything beyond the title. And if you are, then you are just discussing in bad faith. In any case you don't seem to be here for a genuine scientific discussion so don't try to use science to support your claims, it feels insincere.
Yes, what's more sex crimes tend to be "crimes of opportunity" - or to frame that idea differently - "crimes of circumstance".... And those circumstances tend to be created by a lack of money, lack of education, and an abdication of responsibility from those in charge.
That the letter writing is a form of elite leftist denialism of the issues.
That it's essentially covering over that there are issues to be discussed here, in favour of going after "the right" and trying to scold ones enemies rather than actually look into the issues (which I'm claiming are cultural and economic).
You know, sometimes it's better to conceed than it is to alienate and deny.
Hilarious. They actually expect the ideology of pedophiles and rapists to listen to them.
Hahahaha good god.
Edit: Conservatives worldwide are rapists, pedophiles, and imbeciles. Just recently. Japan is having a right wing moron resurgence because of misinformation.
Elite leftists who want to disconnect themselves from the complex issues and incompatibilities of cultural exchange are just fueling the problem, and allowing right wing populists to make points.
Fact is that different regions have different gender relations, and different problems because of that, and we need to understand that.
American here under fascism and seeing no improvement anytime soon here.
From me to you, spare me the self righteousness.
FYI: you literally just supported my point. I am sure Israel will take into consideration what they are doing to the Thai women. Just like they are taking into consideration the Palestinians right to live.
Are there real concerns? Yes, some. Are there tons of misinformation campaigns actively trying to push anti-immigrant narratives and fake statistics to fearmonger and activate conservatives? Absolutely.
And a lot of those concerns will get worse by poverty and inequality but the right wing policies usually make that worse while blame it on the migrants. Rinse and repeat.
That's still some xenophobic nonsense that potentially punishes men for losing their families, not to mention is some dystopian "guilty with no opportunity to be proven innocent" assholery.
they have the statistics and data to back them up.
Then again, 69% of statistics are made up on the spot or deliberately skewed and that goes double any time governments want to justify abusing foreigners.
I know right? A culture that engaged in eugenics and genocide backed by statistics and data yesterday just happens to have statistics and data to back their regrettably cruel but totally pragmatic policy today.
Like damn I'm sure dictators have legitimate data that shows dissidents threaten their power. Good evidence is like a thought jammer.
A culture that engaged in eugenics and genocide backed by statistics and data yesterday just happens to have statistics and data to back their regrettably cruel but totally pragmatic policy today.
Setting aside the fact that I have no idea what specifically "a culture" refers to... this "women are afraid of men because of statistics" thing isn't limited to Canada.
She doesn't give a shit about true evils in the world, not about some malific dark figure wreaking death on innocence to make "inferior" people bow in fear. She only cares about making the lives of young people born different to her strict worldview as abysmal and horrible as possible. She should read this book about a boy born different to his peers who embraces it and eventually overthrows true evil and terror... oh wait.
In the book, many of those wacky characters "grow out of it".
Modern conservatism is just fascism, but with "they will grow out of it eventually" mentality. Crustaceans evolve into crabs, conservatives evolve into Hitlers.
Nearly 40 years after breaking off Antarctica, a colossal iceberg ranked among the oldest and largest ever recorded is finally crumbling apart in warmer waters, and could disappear within weeks.
Earlier this year, the “megaberg” known as A23a weighed a little under a trillion tonnes and was more than twice the size of Greater London, a behemoth unrivalled at the time.
The gigantic slab of frozen freshwater was so large it even briefly threatened penguin feeding grounds on a remote island in the South Atlantic Ocean, but ended up moving on.
It is now less than half its original size, but still a hefty 1,770 sq km (683 sq miles) and 60km (37 miles) at its widest point, according to AFP analysis of satellite images by the EU Earth observation monitor Copernicus.
That caught me eye too. The article says a bit more about it:
“I’d say it’s very much on its way out … it’s basically rotting underneath. The water is way too warm for it to maintain. It’s constantly melting,” he said.
“I expect that to continue in the coming weeks, and expect it won’t be really identifiable within a few weeks.”
The way I interpret that is that it will have broken up enough that it would no longer be identifiable as the single iceberg A23a, but there would still be lots of its ice floating around.
Wow, this is really disappointing. I thought A23a had what it took to last. I suppose in the end the fame and the pressure to live up to public expectations will break up even the strongest bonds.
No doubt the paparazzi following the 'berg around, shooting photos of every dip and rise, and the temptations found in warmer waters led to this demise.
I tried to find the current location of the iceberg and was met with a sad reminder of how much data the U.S. government contributes. Basically, all the location updates came from NOAA, and those haven’t been updated since March.
Ciao, questo pomeriggio è stato fatto un aggiornamento a NodeBB 4.5.1 passando prima dalla 4.5.0. Mi sembra funzioni tutto ma se riscontrate errori o problemi scrivetemi pure. Non allego i changelog perché stavolta sono luuuuuuuuuuuunghi ma li trovate su
Ciao, questo pomeriggio è stato fatto un aggiornamento a NodeBB 4.5.1 passando prima dalla 4.5.0.
Mi sembra funzioni tutto ma se riscontrate errori o problemi scrivetemi pure.
Non allego i changelog perché stavolta sono luuuuuuuuuuuunghi ma li trovate su GitHub:
Release build (patch) of NodeBB @ 2025-09-04T16:02:47.165Z
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The U.S. military on Tuesday struck a drug boat from Venezuela, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said, as tensions spike between the Trump administration and the Venezuelan government.
I note the details of this incident are sparse, per the article, yet CBS utterly fails to use the word alleged at all. This is a 'drug boat' not an 'alleged drug boat,' nor a 'boat allegedly smuggling drugs.' Did they even ask what proof the military had before blowing up this 'drug boat?'
Is the USA now blowing up any boat at sea that they feel is a drug boat? Isn't the norm to have the Coast Guard intercept such boats board them, gather evidence, and make arrests? I guess this is the new war on drugs.
Yes. These are normally handled by the Coast Guard. There's a reason the Coast Guard vessels are armed. They can more than handle anything a cartel drug boat is carrying. They're heavily armed enough that most intercepted vessels surrender without a fight. Actually taking fire is extraordinarily rare.
There is absolutely zero reason to waste US Navy vessels on this. It appears Trump just blew up a random boat that could have easily been intercepted. Even assuming it is a drug boat, this attack is completely detrimental to fighting the drug trade. If you intercept the vessel, you can interrogate the crew, gather evidence from the vessel, and help crack the cartel network they are a part of. But you can't do any of that with a corpse-filled wreck on the bottom of the ocean.
Mayor Koch has stated that hate and rancor should be removed from our hearts. I do not think so. I want to hate these muggers and murderers.. They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes. They must serve as examples so that others will think long and hard before committing a crime or an act of violence. Yes, Mayor Koch, I want to hate these murderers and I always will. I am not looking to psychoanalyze or understand them, I am looking to punish them. If the punishment is strong, the attacks on innocent people will stop. - Donald Trump
It wasn't until 2002 that the five men were exonerated after convicted rapist and murderer Matias Reyes confessed to the crime. Reyes' DNA matched the sample found on Meili.
Here is another example of his love of killing people. Did you know that since 1976, only 16 people have been executed by the federal government. Two in 2001. One in 2003. The other 13 were executed in 2020 and 2021 when then President Trump learned he could expedite their executions.
Expect a lot more blood from this man now that he can and is ordering the military to wantonly spill it.
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This isn't the 80s, I don't think people are buying into the war on drugs facade masking imperialism as much as they used to. Drugs flow along the pacific. Venezuela is small fries for drug trafficking. This is absolutely reasserting imperial interest in Latin America and Venezuela being the most prominent non-US aligned country at the moment in Latin America. If the US acts stupid and tries to false flag themselves into a regime change invasion, it'll be more of a clusterfuck than Afghanistan. No doubt in my mind nonsense in Venezuela would spark something in Colombia and I doubt Brazil would want the US to win either
It wouldn't push Venezuelans to not want whoever reforms them once the U.S. scuffle is over to not join BRICS as well, and move away from the U.S. dollar. They already wanted in now if I remember, but Brazil vetoed it.
Whatever opposition there was against Maduro, the US is ruining it for them. Instead Venezuela gets a clear view of the regional existential threat, further motivation to modernize its military and build non-US aligned trade. They're shaping up to be, and getting help from the US in drumming up motivation, the Americas Iran but they can't be boogyman'ed as Muslims
Over the past decades power grids have undergone a transformation towards smaller and more intermittent generators – primarily in the form of wind and solar generators – as well as smal…
Moss Landing battery storage facility has repeatedly caught fire, which highlights another potentially major savings for grid operators, as the fallout of such events are instead borne by the operator of the battery, which for the DSGS would be the home owner.
Did I understand right that VPPs are just a way of grouping some generation and storage together in such a way that you can pretend it will act as a CCGT plant?
If so, surely this is papering over the challenge. A real solution will present all the information used to operate a "VPP" to the entire grid, and allow all the available resources to be managed by the grid.
That was a great read. Let's hope the author is right with most of it, especially the part where they predict an upcoming focus on teaching media/information literacy as a tool of societal resilience.
But someday after that, we’ll reach a point when the phrase “social media is all fake robo-crap” will be as common of knowledge as “cigarettes cause cancer” or “slot machines are a poor investment”. Adults can still smoke and slot, sure. But nobody in the developed world can say they weren’t warned of the risks.
Next Sosyal is a new social media platform with close ties to the Turkish ruling party, that is based on Mastodon but does not federate
A shuffle in the places, forums and sites to talk about #activitypub, with new owners for forum SocialHub, the activitypub.rocks website now managed by the W3C SocialCG, and the new activitypub.space forum
Next Sosyal is a new Turkish social media platform that is based on Mastodon. The platform has not enabled federation, and is thus not accessible from the fediverse. Next Sosyal is endorsed by Turkish ruling party AKP, and president Erdogan recently made his first post on the platform. Erdoğan quoted a poem from a prominent Turkish poet, and posted “Are you ready?”, with the hashtag “We’re starting,” along with emojis of the Turkish flag, the Earth and a rocket.
Next Sosyal is developed by Selçuk Bayraktar, who owns military drone company Baykar and is the son-in-law of President Erdogan. The platform is branded as a “local and national” alternative to global platforms such as X and Facebook. Bayraktar describes the platform as a safer and cleaner space for constructive dialogue free from trolling, disinformation and Western platform algorithms.
The Nordic Monitor news site further reports: “Several ministries and public entities now maintain official Next Sosyal profiles. Staff in these offices report that social media guidance increasingly favors the platform. Press releases, bulletins and announcements are expected to appear on Next before being shared on global platforms. Some officials say internal memos suggested de-emphasizing X and Instagram entirely. In addition, some major corporations have reportedly started opening accounts on Next out of fear of government pressure.”
Bayraktar claims that the app now has over 1 million users. Since Next Sosyal is a slight reskin of Mastodon, it means that the same API also works. API calls to Next Sosyal on August 22nd showed an exact user count of 850.000, and as of September 2 the API claims a total of 1.100.000 accounts. Registering on the app requires a Turkish phone number, making it difficult for me to verify these numbers by looking at timeline activity, but the exact roundness of these numbers does raise some suspicions for me.
The platform was originally released without any reference to Mastodon’s source code. Mastodon is released under the AGPL license, which means that you can use, modify and distribute the software freely, as long as you publish the code under the same AGPL license. After some requests from the Mastodon organisation, Next Sosyal is now compliant with this, and explicitly mentions that “NSocial is an open source Mastodon-based social media platform developed by TEKNOFEST entrepreneurs.” on their About page.
We live in a world where authoritarian rulers seem to have a better grasp of current social media dynamics than many democratic leaders have. Both Trump and Erdogan understand the value of building a social media platform where they have a direct connection with their supporters, and can control message distribution. That both leaders use Mastodon for this, while democratic leadership shows little interest in building out their own social media distribution platforms on the open social web is painful.
In Other News
Last week I wrote about SocialHub, a forum to discuss ActivityPub, and how it fits into a larger understanding of the ‘substrate’ layer of the fediverse. One of the points I made is that the communication layer underneath the fediverse (meaning places to discuss and collaborate on ActivityPub, for example) is fairly decentralised. The positive effect is that this creates a distribution of power, nobody can control all the conversations that happen about ActivityPub. This also means that coordination is more difficult, as developers are spread out over multiple places. There has been quite some movement this week in this space of “what are the places to talk about ActivityPub”:
The direct cause for writing the article was SocialHub potentially shutting down. A new administrator has been found, workers cooperative Pavillion. The cooperative was hired by forum software Discourse to create the ActivityPub plugin for the forum.
Activitypub.rocks is the ‘official’ website for the ActivityPub protocol, but it has not been updated for almost five years. Christine Lemmer-Webber, one of the co-authors of ActivityPub, has decided to hand over the website to the SocialCG, the community group for ActivityPub that is part of the W3C. A new initiative to work on the website from the SocialCG is led by Johannes Ernst, who also organises the FediForum conferences.
Activitypub.space is a new forum to discuss ActivityPub, created by NodeBB developer Julian Lam.
Fediverse software updates:
A blog by the WordPress ActivityPub team with more details on their latest updates, with expanded moderation tooling and improvements under the hood.
Piefed now has a build-in discovery tool to find new communities to subscribe to.
Blogging platform WriteFreely has further fediverse integrations with their latest update: it now displays ‘likes’ on WriteFreely blog posts made on other platforms. Other platforms such as Mastodon will now also show a preview or summary of a WriteFreely post, in addition to a link.
LemmyBridge is a new browser extension that connects you to Lemmy discussions for any website you visit.
Pixelfed releases the ‘Stories’ feature on their Android app.
And an overview of all fediverse software updates of the week.
And some more links:
WeDistribute writes about the Client-to-Server part of ActivityPub, a part of the protocol that is rarely used, and how the Social Web Foundation is working on promoting its use.
A tutorial that explains how you can do podcasting with PeerTube.
FedInspect, a desktop application for analysing fediverse server configurations and features.
In Spain, dozens of ships carrying civilian activists and loaded with humanitarian aid departed Barcelona on Monday, bound for the Gaza Strip. The Global Sumud Flotilla is the largest attempt yet to challenge Israel’s blockade of Gaza. Swedish activist Greta Thunberg helped to organize the flotilla.
Greta Thunberg: “Israel are very clear about their genocidal intent. They want to erase the Palestinian nation. They want to take over the Gaza Strip. And if that doesn’t make people act, if that doesn’t make people go out of their couch and take action, fill the streets, get organized, then I don’t know what will.”
In Australia, peace activists held a nonviolent protest Monday blocking the entrance of Port Melbourne, demanding Australia suspend trade with Israel. Meanwhile, in Colorado, dozens of Jewish peace activists and allies rallied on Friday outside the Denver office of Senator Michael Bennet.
How that fat wino ever got close enough to a woman to be in a position to assault her in the fisrt place is the most puzzling question in this case. What a repugnant man...
Peru’s Congress has rejected a long-delayed proposal to create the Yavari Mirim Indigenous Reserve. That's a 1.17 million-hectare tract of Amazon rainforest on the Brazil border meant to protect five uncontacted tribes.
Disclaimer: The article linked is from a single source with a single perspective. Make sure to cross-check information against multiple sources to get a comprehensive view on the situation.
I have no doubt that the muslims would do the exact same thing, if they had the chance.
That's how religious genocide works. The religion doesn't matter, they all do it. It's how 'the largest fictional religion in the world' game works, and all religions have been playing it for thousands of years.
Not the best fictional religion. Not the kindest. The one with the most people and control.
I have no doubt that the muslims would do the exact same thing, if they had the chance.
This belief is a prerequisite to turning a blind eye to the Palestinian Genocide or perhaps it is simply the last defense people have for turning a blind eye. Is that you? Is that why you are behaving like a child on such a serious topic?
Shame on you for responding to a genocide only with laughably speculative handwaving about how in a wildly different situation Muslims who are victims of a genocide would commit genocide.
Freund wasn’t looking for a backdoor when he noticed SSH connections to his Debian testing system taking 500 milliseconds longer than usual. As a database engineer benchmarking PostgreSQL performance, he initially dismissed the anomaly. But the engineer’s curiosity persisted.
The backdoor’s technical sophistication was breathtaking. Hidden across multiple stages, from modified build scripts that only activated under specific conditions to obfuscated binary payloads concealed in test files, the attack hijacked SSH authentication through an intricate chain of library dependencies. When triggered, it would grant the attacker complete remote access to any targeted system, bypassing all authentication and leaving no trace in logs.
The backdoored versions 5.6.0 and 5.6.1 had been released in February and March 2024, infiltrating development versions of Fedora, Debian, openSUSE, and Arch Linux. Ubuntu’s upcoming 24.04 LTS release, which would have deployed to millions of production systems, was mere weeks away.
The technical backdoor was merely the final act of a three-year psychological operation that began not with code, but with studying a vulnerable human being.
Exhausted volunteers maintaining critical infrastructure alone. From personal experience with contributor burnout to AI-powered future threats, here’s why our digital foundation is crumbling.
Let me connect a few dots for you that may be a key part of the Trump-Epstein drama and may even be what Trump has been trying to keep hidden in those files. I’…
Israeli leadership is treating Gaza like a war crime buffet at this point.
"I mean, if genocide's on the menu, why not sprinkle in a little murder-children-by-starvation and robot warfare? It's my cheat ~~day~~ year and a half, after all."
Maintaining finances carefully is crucial for running a successful business. In the business field, various operations will be held as day-to-day activities, and to meet all the needs of the daily activities, business finance is essential.
Maintaining finances carefully is crucial for running a successful business. In the business field, various operations will be held as day-to-day activities, and to meet all the needs of the daily activities, business finance is essential. This is the place where working capital management plays a major role.
Smart and effective management of working capital helps in controlling the overall business efficiencies, and it is the primary goal of it. Since working capital management is essential for every business, all business owners should be aware of its details. This blog gives all the details about working capital management. Continue to read and get valuable details about working capital management.
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Working capital = Current assets of the business – Current liabilities of the business
The current assets of the business include the accounts receivable and current liabilities of the business include the accounts payable.
Some of the major components of working capital are mentioned below.
Accounts Receivable:The amount that owed to the business is referred to as accounts receivable. Taking effective measures on these unpaid amounts helps in the working capital management.
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For effective working capital management, some strategies can be followed, and they are as follows.
Making Early Payments:Encouraging the clients to make early payments helps in enhanced working capital. If prompt payments are not received from the clients, then consider offering penalties for those who make late payments and reduce the time for credit notes.
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Meet the Business Liabilities:Consistently paying off your liabilities to vendors can improve your credibility and lead to extended credit options from them. Failing to make the payment easily damages the vendor relationship.
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The business cash flow is enhanced by better working capital management. It also increases the business's flexibility and profitability. Effective decisions can be made for the welfare of the business. Implementing the working capital management is crucial for the business growth, and it gives better results. So, properly maintain your business's effective management of working capital and discover the changes and developments in the day-to-day activities of the business.
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I have an old android xiaomi phone with 128 GB of storage that I want to use as a music streaming server that I can access from my current phone and computer.
I want to know if this is possible and if it is, can it be done without rooting?
Don't have experience with setting up servers, but one idea I have for when I go set up one of my own is a Linux-based server through Termux. Only problem is if you need to change permissions for Android files, as then you'd need root to run sudo-based commands.
I second the use of copyparty. It's very easy to setup under Termux, and has a quite nice web UI, and since it exposes the raw files, you can play them in anything that supports playing remote files, like VLC
If you're hoping to use your phone as is and just install a "server app" onto it to use as a streaming service, I have some bad news for you.
That's definitely not gonna work. If you think you're gonna be able to run a server without root, that's also probably not going to work.
You're most likely going to have to install a custom ROM onto your phone or some version of Linux onto your phone in order to do the thing you want to do.
I don't have much knowledge of it, but the Android communities will probably be the better place to reach out about running a server from a phone
No, I totally understand that, but for the thing you're doing, if you take away piracy, you're just trying to run a server on an Android phone, so you're gonna find better results in an Android forum from sysadmins who want to run a server.
People get nervous with torrenting and pirating, so when you go on the Android forums, don't mention that's the reason you're looking for this.
whatever you go with, you might have an issue with it being constantly plugged in if that's your plan.
I used to run a piratebox off a nexus s years ago and I'd regularly unplug it to let it run off the battery for a while. constant charging can cause excess heat and that's not good for the battery.
Constant plugin isn't actually the problem. When the battery's in good condition, they can stay plugged in and it only charges when it hits 99%, it stops again at 100. But as the battery gets older, the cells degrade and the resistance gets higher. They can start trying to push to 100% when it can no longer get here. At that point, they're supposed to be some smart software to determine that you can no longer charge to that level and reduce the capacity that tries to charge to. But if you never discharge fully and recharge that software often doesn't work.
The best solution for the condition is to use software that makes the phone stop charging it 80%. It takes the battery a very, very long time to lose 20% of its capacity if you don't hit the overcharging over temperature issues.
Having the battery stop at 50% or 80% the battery will probably outlast the hardware.
To properly do this the phone has to support it at hardware level. Pixel and iPhone have this feature but don't know about yours. There are apps like battery guru which will alert you, but you have to manually unplug at that point.
Just install a switch that hard-disconnects the battery from the phone so's you can run it off the outlet without fear of it constantly charging the battery
I wouldn't. I like the idea of repurposing old electronics, but the issue is, it's meant to be a low powered device meant to run off a battery.
You can run Plex off a RPi and those are like $20. A bit more if you want the case and heatsinks and such. They are also (similar to the Android) low powered ARM64 computers, but the hardware and software is more open.
I also have an old 128GB Android phone. I use it as a cosplay prop and I treat it like an iPod Touch. I'm primarily an iPhone guy, so of course it has Apple Music on it, but I also know Android and know where Android excels, so it also has Firefox with uBlock Origin, and Nova Launcher Prime. It's way better to type on because the iOS keyboard has always been dogshit.
Also, you're in the Piracy community. Not to be pedantic, but this is where you'd go to ask how to get the files to populate your music streaming server with. That's my weakness there — I mostly self-host stuff I've bought and ripped myself. There are good tools and you'll find good advice here, but something something old dogs, something something new tricks (me being the old dog, not you, unless you are, in which case, good on you for trying to break the mould). Right. So, what you want is the Self-Hosted community. Don't ask them about where to get the music (that's this community), but they can help on hardware and software. Me, I just use Plex, and I host it off a Mac mini. My desktop computer. You don't need to spend nearly that much on a server. My Mac is a couple generations out now, but it's still overkill for a music server.
The only time I use either of my phones as servers in any capacity is to like send a few files or something — and yes, I can do it just as capably with either. Honestly though both of them can easily host a file server another phone (either platform) can connect to and download from.
Non-Zero Pi models haven't been even close to $20 for a while now. Any Pi these days is gonna be $60-80 for a fully functioning setup (Pi + SD + case + power adapter), at the minimum. And I wouldn't run Plex off a Pi Zero, those have more or less the same specs as the 1st/2nd gen Pis.
Termux and Termux:Boot should be able to do this, but make sure you can limit the charge to something like 50% since it'll always be plugged in and keep an eye on the settings/limits so it doesn't run hot.
This consolidation of power is a dream come true for the Big Tech platforms, but it’s a nightmare for users. While the megacorporations get more traffic and a whole lot more user data (read: profit), users are left with far fewer community options and a bland, corporate surveillance machine instead of a vibrant public sphere. The internet we all fell in love with is a diverse and colorful place, full of innovation, connection, and unique opportunities for self-expression. That internet—our internet—is worth defending.
If you live in Mississippi, you may have noticed that you are no longer able to log into your Bluesky or Dreamwidth accounts from within the state. That’s because, in a chilling early warning sign for the U.S.
Hopefully, in the EU at least, the verification will be provided by the government. Like a 2FA, meaning Big Tech would only get a verified token and nothing else.
The government already got passports with our face, and have had it for many years. They could use that information.
That would mean that any platform could implement this verification, and never get hold on any data.
one of the big problems that isn't solved by this is what gets to be behind verification. who decides what kids aren't allowed to see. we've seen already that most of the world's governments can't really be trusted with what is adult content and not.
When I was in highschool my friends parents had child lock bullshit on his computer, poor sod couldn't even goto wikipedia because there are articles with naughty words.
We need to reframe the discussion from "it's for the children" to "it's for lazy parents".
People are keen to scapegoat parents, and here it's the truth. They don't want to use existing opt-in controls, or put the damn computer where they can keep an eye on Little Timmy while he uses it. Make the entirery of the legal system do it for you!
Ok, so I also hate the "protect the children" argument, and there are certainly plenty of lazy parents around.
However, if everyone 10 year old at school has a phone and a Facebook account, it's just so much more difficult for parents who are not lazy to hold the line. Its an extraordinarily difficult situation. You'd make your kid's a pariah by upholding a basic standard of care.
By prohibiting access for kids you set the basic societal standard. Yes it will be circumvented but you enable parents to uphold appropriate restrictions.
Is it worth it? Probably not. Its not a good thing but as a dad I can see the intention.
I'm surprised there isn't more of a crowdsourced solution-- community maintained block/allow lists and pluggable tools.
Part of the reason filters suck right now is that they're sold to turboprudes and people pushing compliance solutions that will placate litigious turboprudes. So you get blocking all of Wikipedia and .edu/.gov because three pages have an anatomical diagram of a breast. The kids are frustrated, normal parents have to keep unblocking legit stuff, and nobody wins.
If you could pick from easily managed lists sponsored by groups you personally trusted, with responsive appeals systems, people might be more willing to use them.
The ad-blocker ecosystem has a lot of precedent for how to work this stuff.
"protect the children" is such a fucking bullshit excuse. If they gave a fuck about children, they'd stop them being slaughtered in schools every fucking day.
You make a good point. Now, I have 2 kids (12 and 10), and they use phones (when one of us allow them to). However, and thank God for that, the school they go to has banned cell phones entirely, which effectively reduces the unsupervised exposure to stuff we don't want them to be on yet. Additionally, I removed everything 'big tech' from those phones, so they use Signal to communicate with their friends and family, get to stream content from my Jellybean instance, and have all types of DAV in my server to keep files, contacts, calendars and whatnot synchronized. Plus, I keep them tracked with my own Traccar instance when they go out, and I audit their devices pretty regularly.
I am all too aware we cannot shield them from everything. Some things will fall through the cracks, but that's been the case even when we were kids (dad playboy mag left carelessly somewhere easy to grab?). This does not mean that I will allow, or even want, the government of any country deciding how my kids are raised. That's my wife's and my job, nobody else's.
Having said that, I wholeheartedly agree with the fact that lazy parents are the ones that help the obscure intent of governments and large corporations drive this kind of shit to spy and control us.
Unfortunately the largest percentage of parents worldwide are just that lazy and irresponsible, and unless they change that, this will be the life and challenge of actually responsible parents. Sadly, I don't see those parents suddenly caring for their kids,it just doesn't happen. Why would they drop such convenience?
No. There's no "hopefully" anything when it comes to this bullshit. It's bad for the individual, full stop. This is not a thing to compromise on, because any compromise at all will eventually harm the users (though leaks/hacks, or government overreach, etc.) without any actual benefit or offset to them.
If I have to verify myself I simply won't use it, I really don't care, there's nothing so important online that I need to prove my identity to see it. (Banking and shit like that aside of course). Social media? Give me a break I'm already over it before all this ID shit. I hope it all burns to the ground.
this. I refuse to make more accounts, and verify personal info. Ive been prepping for the big disconnect from the internet as a result. there will come a time when it just won't be usable
Same. I know there are easy ways around it but I'm not going to use them, and I wish more people could take this attitude - if everyone cut down their Internet usage in response to this ID stuff things would quickly start to turn around
The fact that you recognise it would be a struggle should honestly spur you on even more to do it. People got by for a long time without the Internet and even though now the same infrastructure they'd have used is at best a shell of its former self if not gone entirely it would still be possible. We don't have to stop entirely but if a bunch of sites suddenly find their traffic is way down they'd start to put pressure on about getting rid of ID checks and we might finally see some movement
Oh, I know. No preaching required. I'm from pre-internet days. That's why I agree with you. Being this dependent on the internet is not good for me or anyone else.
There's no shortage of other ways to get it for an enterprising person, maybe a few extra clicks once you know where to go. That's likely one of the goals though, whitewashing the internet. It's such a massive business though, but maybe very fractured and independent.
People just go to the porn sites that aren't hosted in a jurisdiction that requires ID verification and the ID verifying platforms lose traffic or people use VPNs.
I have young kids, and marketplace has saved me thousands of dollars. Kids need a lot of different stuff at different ages and it's nice to be able to flip the stuff you dont need anymore and get the stuff they do need second hand.
Also messenger, what's app. My apartment building has a what's app group thats invaluable. I talk to customers on messenger.
I'm in this weird middle ground where I hate FB with a passion and it depresses me every time I log in, but I need to create a personal brand for my business (and to get laid, who am I kidding) and honestly I'm thinking about getting one of my friends to run it for me, which seems weird but
Don't know where you are, but Kijiji is absolutely thriving in Ontario. My old man has about 40-50 items up at any given time, and has no problems finding buyers to rotate through his stock, and he is nowhere near a major population centre. I just looked at ads for a city centre and there is a lot available. It is definitely possible to work outside of facebook.
Then you dont ever get to complain. You have other options, but its too hard for you, so youd rather just contribute to pissing away freedoms and privacy. Its because of people like you, who wont put up with even a little discomfort, that we are where we are. They keep pushing, and people like just keep on saying "OK".
If we are ever to stop this increasingly vile push to have us be endlessly profiled, its unfortunately going to have to be people like you that finally grow a fucking back bone. So yeah, we're fucked...
Get offline and go out. I can't tell you what your options are in your area. I could give you a whole list of the options in my area, but only you know where everything is in your environment.
There's salvation army and Savers, and that's about it. Usually they don't have great stuff. Unfortunately, Facebook marketplace is where people in this area go to sell shit.
Its got nothing to do with some frivolous ideology, and everything to do with not letting someone else manipulate me through convenience. People like you always have excuses, but the reality is that youre just lazy. You want your hand held by some tech daddy, you need your hand held by some tech daddy. Because other wise you might have to think for yourself. And that, well, thats just too much effort. No, better to bend over, spread cheeks, and present your arse to the gods of convenience. Well, that and all your data...
Eh, youre the only one doing the name calling and character assassination, cunty chops... Im just calling it like I see it, and youre feeling personally attacked...
It is totally avoidable, you will find new ways to handle your business. You have to stop using their service, they are a cancer on our society and they are actively engaging in propaganda for genocide amongst many other shitty things.
The sooner you pull the trigger the better off you will be. It is past time to move on.
Well, sure ok it's "avoidable" in the sense that I'm not forced to engage with facebook or any other company or platform.
However, the imposition on my daily functioning and ability to interact with my peers would be severely disaffected.
If there's a group of a dozen people that I know in person who are interacting on whats app, then if I want to interact with them I need to use whats app.
Edit: The article references Bluesky fleeing Mississippi due to risk of fines. Do admins running fediverse instances run similar risks?
Bluesky was the first platform to make the announcement. In a public blogpost, Bluesky condemned H.B. 1126’s broad scope, barriers to innovation, and privacy implications, explaining that the law forces platforms to “make every Mississippi Bluesky user hand over sensitive personal information and undergo age checks to access the site—or risk massive fines.” As Bluesky noted, “This dynamic entrenches existing big tech platforms while stifling the innovation and competition that benefits users.” Instead, Bluesky made the decision to cut off Mississippians entirely until the courts consider whether to overturn the law.
A new Mississippi law requires us to block full access to Bluesky unless all users complete age checks. We have concerns about this law’s implementation.
Eugen issued a statement that Mastodon is physically incapable of implementing age verification and that thedecentralized nature of the fediverse means there is no central authority that can block regions which define these laws.
IANAL, but I imagine under the laws, they would go after individual instance owners to mandate verification. The laws have no provision for third party software, so it would fall to the courts, but most instances don’t have the funds to fight it.
Decentralized social network Mastodon says it cannot comply with age verification laws, like in Mississippi and elsewhere, and says it's up to individual server owners to decide.
there need to be dedicated 3rd party age verification services separate from the site. the people with my identity info don’t need to see what i’m doing on the site, and the site doesn’t need to know my identity any more than a general age group.
No, as soon as you ask the government to send a site a token verifying you, you’ve given up your privacy to the government.
Also, how are smaller sites going to pay for this service? This is the tech bros using the religious nuts to pull the ladder up behind them. Locking in the monopoly. The only answer is the freedom we’ve had for the last 35 years.
Well, as much as I hate it, there's no privacy when it comes to your government, and this is the case even since the internet was a thing.
Yes, we can keep some stuff obscured from the government, but the fact is that they know everything about us since we are born (probably even before). We need driver's license, passport, bank accounts, registering homes, cars, even dogs, putting kids in the school system, health services, the list seems infinite.
But that does not mean we have to stop pushing back, because if we do, we're utterly fucked.
My government doesn't know everything about me. Look at the news and how long it takes for basic information about a high profile criminal to come out. It takes a lot of investigative effort to put all that info together, even if it's all largely from various government agencies.
Some stuff is easy to track (e.g. registrations), but a lot isn't. That means there's absolutely precedent for privacy from the government on things that don't matter to it. Why should the welfare department need information about my driving history or whether I have a passport? It doesn't, so it shouldn't have access.
I agree, it shouldn't, but I but they do. Don't deceive yourself like that. As I said, some stuff you can (still) keep under wraps, that's how criminals do it, but connecting the dots they almost invariably get caught, sooner or later.
Right, like Al Capone got caught for tax evasion instead of all the murders and whatnot. If they're digging, they'll find it, and they can get almost anything with a warrant.
My point is that governments are generally pretty dysfunctional with information sharing, so even if they have a piece of information, it's unlikely the appropriate agency has it. They're getting more and more information the more crap like age verification gets passed, but that doesn't change the dysfunction between agencies.
I can never disagree with this premise. Government institutions are dysfunctional and broken as hell, regardless of the country we're referring to. And that alone supports your point, so I have to say, you are right, not one single institution has all our info. The sum of all of them may, however, have it all. Should they choose to organize all our data and have it centralized (say one database for all institutions to feed from) it's just a matter of merging the data and giving all of them access, even if they use different systems.
That's where I'm going with this. We do need to obscure as much as we can, but knowing what we're not able to keep private anymore is pivotal to focus on those things that we can keep under our control.
My point is that it's not hopeless. We can have reasonable privacy today, and we can change the laws to protect the rest. If we just assume we don't have privacy, our governments will continue to take.
Then, I apologize, as it seems that I misrepresented your comments. Yes, we can still safeguard our privacy, and we should. This will need a very good chunk of the population making changes, educating children on the dangers of not having privacy, and how the government works for the population, not the other way around. This will require many to get out of their comfort zone, and stop providing data and/money to the corporations that have most individuals convinced that we can't live without their services, which is completely false. This will be painful, but then again, what revolution isn't?
You can't always simply VPN around it. I applied for a job via one of the popular job sites. Tried to log back in to the job site a week later only to to find my account had been blocked until I provide proof of ID to a US based third party company ...I'm in Europe. Spoiler alert: I did not provide proof of ID & so have no idea whether or not I was a suitable applicant for the job.
Guess i won't be job hunting through that site again. The whole thing is farcical.
This is the display of how we fight this. And I can only imagine the balls it took for you to take that position and move along. You're one of those scarce unsung heroes that stands by his values instead of bending over to avoid inconvenience or even potentially detrimental outcomes.
Some of them. Yes, many others not so much. Are you not realizing the thread you're commenting on here?
That smaller site services and companies who really don't want to collect this data are going to be forced to at an expense that may be too high for their entry point into the market they're trying to work in?
Or even worse websites or services that are hosted for free may have to incur costs they cannot afford for data they don't want to collect.
Unfortunately sometimes it's too late. Any platform can lock your account and keep your data until you unlock it and GDPR and similar do not protect against it. That's what Twitter and LinkedIn started to do - require verification and no way to delete your account if you decline.
Yeah, the power these companies have over our lives is very disturbing. They have positioned themselves as something most academic people really need, at least linkedin has.
I've never used WhatsApp and never will. My friends and family can contact me through a number of other ways, and I'm introverted enough that it won't bother me too much if they don't.
Depends on the nature of the platform. It is not good for small commercial entities that will be required to enact a ID verification system because it will increase the cost of entry to the market.
Increasing the cost of entry will benefit large corporations that will easily absorb the cost. Platforms that don't require it will likely be unaffected.
It is not good for small commercial entities that will be required to enact a ID verification system because it will increase the cost of entry to the market.
As someone who works in this space, I doubt it’s going to be an issue for smaller entities. We already have SSO for basic login identity from a variety of providers (Microsoft, Facebook, Google, Apple) — smaller sites already love to use these as it provides easy access to existing users, and saves a ton of coding for having to handle login information, password management, etc.
These same entities can handle the age verification. Now I can see arguments as to why centralizing logins and age verification like this could be a problem for users, but if I decided to start my own social media app tomorrow I’d likely rely on the big platforms to handle all of this (as we already see everywhere — heck, app for ordering pizza support Facebook, Google, and Apple logins), and save myself the cost and hassle of implementing this myself (never mind the potential embarrassment and liability should someone hack my site). Then it’s on those platforms to worry about age verification.
All of these services are currently free, and save you from a ton of coding around user accounts and authentication, so using them is usually cheaper then having to DIY it.
I could see it being an issue for more privacy-oriented sites. I imagine some Lemmy and Mastodon users might be less inclined to have to login to Apple, Google or Microsoft to be able to interact with others even if the vast majority of users are fine with it. Would be nice for somebody to come up with an open-source service that handles some more basic age verification so other services can just self-host it instead of each platform implementing their own logins. By basic age verification I mean things like matching user behaviour to users with a known age and maybe some face scanning. Nowhere near perfect and it’s a constant cat and mouse game, but maybe enough to be compliant with the law.
If age verification wasn’t being made mandatory in Australia for social media sites I think it could be a great idea for some services especially if the verification is done by the government with the same level as photo ID. Think dating apps, finance and marketplace sites where having a higher level of confidence that the person you are talking to is who they say they really matters, especially if law enforcement need to be involved down the line. Even if you the user can’t verify the identity of the other person, law enforcement could, and the site might be able to block alt accounts. The credential theft problem still exists of course so it’s no silver bullet, but it’s a lot better than what we have now.
And that’s just fine. Considering how many people do login with those services, I doubt any that use the SSO services will particularly miss you and the small subset of users who don’t want to let a third-party service confirm your login.
That’s not meant as snark — every app and website out there has some subset of users who will decry “I won’t use that because it does X”. And that’s fine. It’s a personal decision. But it likely won’t significantly affect development decisions, as it’s going to happen with some group for some reason anyway.
And that’s always worked out in the past, hasn’t it?
Imagine putting your entire business in a position where one of Google’s half-assed AIs could decide tomorrow at zero notice to cut you off from your entire user base.
This is why most apps that do use such services use more than one. Lots of modern sites have buttons for “Login with Google”, “Login with Facebook”, “Login with Apple”. None of them want to lose access to the user data and analytics they get from these services — so I doubt one is going to jump into cutting you off or requiring payment while the others are still free.
It would take all of these services to (illegally) coordinate to suddenly start charging — and of all of them I don’t see that being in the interest at all for Apple. Apple’s login service uses Touch and Face ID on their devices, and is part of the selling point for those devices (extremely easy logins with no password). They’re not making their money off Single Sign-On (SSO) login services — they make their money off selling devices, and they make the case for selling these devices in large part by selling “simplicity”.
So if you’re worried today about a login service yanking the rug out from under you, you just implement many/all of them. It’s not significantly more work — all of them are based off OAuth — so long as your website or app can authenticate via OAuth you just need to use the APIs each company provides to implement the authentication, and you’re done.
Nothing them stops you as you get bigger form implementing your own login/authentication service — and if you ever get big enough, you too can offer it as a service for other websites.
Depends on the platform surely, couldn't a lemmy instance just ignore the UK? Not block, ignore.
I am sure I saw that smaller platforms are seeing a surge in popularity because they are not doing it while pornhub saw a large drop. How many switched to a VPN and how many use another site?
Even safer might be that image that's been circulating. It states that if you're in the UK, the hosting site is required to verify your age, but they're not required to verify your location. Now, please click on of these buttons indicating whether or not you're in the UK to determine whether age verification must be performed.
(Presumably "I am in the UK" leads to an innocuous website)
It gives more info as to the consequences of clicking that button. If they just ask if you're in the UK, people could reasonably assume they're going to serve UK-relevant content. If they say it's for ave verification purposes directly, people will know they can click the other button to avoid the spyware.
I don't think I agree, as I think almost any individual clicking those buttons could extrapolate that there was some subterfuge involved, but I do appreciate your take.
Did you see the original meme to which I'm referring?
I'm also not a Brit, but it was popular here on lemmy for a day or two. Unfortunately, my very brief image searches aren't returning it, but I'll try to find it for you.
i find it interesting that some of the most debased, vile, disgusting perverts to ever live are passing laws to force regular, everyday people to dox themselves just so they can see a tig ol gilf bitty.
Amazes me how the UK Labour Party and Starmer managed to absolutely squander their one opportunity after gaining power for the first time in many years.
What if devices would have a private chip to have the ID, so the website would just request if user is underage or not. Would this be private? Instead of sending the whole id to the online platform?
Some kind of anonymous token that says "I'm adult" and smart card on credit cards are kind of that, but they have a unique identifier that identifies you. They're not anonymous which is the only acceptable kind of adult verification. It makes more sense to cordon off all parts of the internet with identity/age verification and consider them destroyed. I'd like to have an IP banlist of all participants in his harebrained scheme, just rip off the bandair immediately rather than have them shit the bed down the line.
Maybe a government run service that reads your unique identifier and provides a simple adult:yes/no to the website. That takes the burden off the sites and keeps personal identification info in a publicly owned system.
Yeah I could see something like that. It would be similar to log in with Google or Apple. They would be a trusted 3rd party that has the responsibility of validating age and they just pass on a pass or fail to the site.
Wondering if other sources of free streaming VOD movies are acceptable here? There are multiple, legal AFAIK ones, although almost always with geo-restrictions of some kind.
Once upon a time, I thought I saw a guide where yt-dlp can work with CR but for the life of me I can’t find it. Does anyone know if it still works? I have a premium subscription and would like to make sure I still have access to some of my favorite shows should I move out of country.
Yt-dlp doesn't deal with cracking, but by fetching the files from DRM-free endpoints of a given service. And from what I've seen in issues from both yt-dlp and Grayjay, such endpoints were all removed in recent months for Crunchyroll (and by extensions, neither support downloading from Crunchyroll anymore).
IIRC Crunchyroll used to be a pirate site so that may be where you heard that? But they've been legit for years.
I would say just look for x265 (HEVC) webrips of your favorite content and throw it on a Plex (or Jellyfin if you don't have any Apple stuff) server. On the flip, if you have all Apple tech, Infuse is a good option, but IIRC it doesn't stream outside your network like the other two do.
I have premium and I just prefer to pull straight from the source rather than getting a rip someone else did. It lets me customize the highest quality I want. I’ve used Zotify and usually rip straight from BDs normally too, but it sounds like I might just have to find the webrips like you said.
It's not completely meaningless because if it's truly the only option I'm going to be using it until I eventually replace my current phone with one with an unlocked bootloader.
There are plenty of people developing apps that require root, and users who run those are already jumping through a million hoops of cat and mouse to keep their fucking mcdonalds app detecting it so they can get cheaper coffees and free fries.
Like seriously, wtf McDonalds, your app is like the ultimate root/safetynet/device id detection tool, I don't think there exists even a banking app that is as hard to fool.
They're already developing the apps for the 1% of us not just using proprietary apps from the play store. I don't think this just kills open source app development.
So just take one day a month and do your maintance. Anything that isn't from the Play store isn't exactly getting Dev work every day to patch whatever.
Whatever, I don't love this either, but it's not some absolute deal breaker IMO. Maybe 6/10 dealbreaker. We disagree and thats fine. Now please downvote like you were going to do anyway.
It will be stupid, but I presume there will be a rise in desktop apps or webapps that require you to only plug the phone in and it will handle the rest.
Yeah, if something like Obtanium needs to run on my desktop instead of my phone and I have to plug it in every once in a while, that's not the end of the world.
There are already android apps that allow you to ADB into your own phone without root, so you could VERY EASILY just make an app store that utilises that, you only need to install the app from desktop once
We already have to do that to install older apps. It's inconvenient, but not as bad as having to boot up an ancient phone every time you need to use the app.
Perhaps someone could write an 'adb loopback' app -- get that into the official app store, and said app would then squirt other .apk files through adb on the phone to itself, thus sideloading it.
As far as I know, ADB needs to be run on another device which is plugged into the phone.
I suppose one could write a script/app that detects the device is plugged in, and automatically looks for and installs updates using adb. That would be the least amount of friction.
I don’t know, even people here are already considering it a loss of the only way is through ADB, because it’s not practical for everyday usage. But it’s better than nothing.
Yeah, that's why it's still in the "considering" phase for me as well - especially considering Trump's tariffs crap. It also seems a tad underpowered for the price, and they still don't have the promised removable battery replacements in their store.
It's worth remembering, though, that the cost covers the constant software updates, as well as their user support. As such, it's much like the Apple model of business, except much more open - so in the end it's probably worth it.
Don't forget "side effects", when really, medications only have "effects". Whether the effects are intended or not doesn't change the fact that they happen.
Cough medicine can induce drowsiness, but you probably shouldn't be taking it as a sleep aid. The distinction between intended vs unintended effects is an important distinction to make, in my opinion, to prevent drugs from being unintentionally misused.
While that is true, it does not invalidate the poster's point. All of the effects of drugs are just "effects". They could just as easily market cough syrup as a sleep aid with the "side effect" that it suppresses coughing.
The difference in definition in this context is simply that "drug uses" is the list of its effects that they were going for, and "side effects" are a list of effects that they were not. Its entirely a man made distinction. Extend that reasoning to the "installing" vs. "side loading" discussion to see the poster's point.
I believe him to be suggesting that "side loading" is a very different word for "installing" that can be loaded by PR people to shift public opinion against the practice. Whether or not they are doing that I can't say myself, but that appears to be the point being made.
They could just as easily have coined it "direct installing" or "USB installing", but they didn't even though those terms are more descriptive. Draw from that whatever you will.
Talking to the wrong guy here, I've taken many a medications against their intended purpose: I am a curious guy.
But that sounds like saying, in the context of Google's intention of disabling app sideloading, that warning users that it poses a security risk because it's their intended purpose for android, is fine because the authority on android is Google.
Don't just take the word of authority at face value, when they prioritize profit and mindshare over personal freedom.
Wait, so now I have to talk to a doctor before installing from F-Droid? Well, shit.
For all intents and purposes, your comment actually invalidates the premise of using 'sideloading' as a term for installing from outside the 'official' method.
You buy cough syrup because you're coughing, not because you want to be drowsy (I would hope that's the case). In the same way, you install Spotify to listen to music, not to get all your data extracted and sold. Getting drowsy is an inconvenient side effect of the medication, the same way that data grab and ads are an inconvenient side effect of the app.
You are the master of your body, the person who decides ultimately what goes in and out of your body, No doctor can force you to take anything. That's what I mean, The play store aka the doctor wants to become the master that decides what apps go in or out of your phone, instead of the user. My comment doesn't invalidate the premise of the use of the term sideloading, because I don't agree with the term to begin with.
Whether the effect is ideal or not does not change what is chemically happening in the body. The body can't tell apart side effects from the main ones, so this distinction exists because humans deemed it so, just like the distinction between play store sanctioned apps, and everything else. It's a distinction that Google is now abusing for it's own monetary benefit.
It is, because it's actually the term that defines the process of transferring files not from an external networked device - downloading - or to an external networked device - uploading - but between two local devices - sideloading.
It's over two decades old, you downloaded an mp3 from kazaa, and then sideloaded it to your player.
For android apps, I believe the term originates from the method of using ADB to directly write the app to the phone memory, the command of which is "adb sideload filename"
And companies ofted do it. Thay recoined jaywalking to put the blaim of the accidents to pedestrians and take away the road from them. They change what littering means in attrmpt to delute the responsibility for polution... We are better than that this time, right?
I assume you're unaware of the concerted advertising campaigns by auto manufacturers to take public streets away from pedestrians, including things like
The industry hired actors dressed in old-fashioned clothing to illegally cross streets, making the behavior seem outdated
"Jay" had started as a word for drivers driving on the wrong side of the road
jaywalker was pre-dated by jay-driver – a driver of a horse-drawn carriage or automobile that refused to abide by the traffic laws by driving on the wrong side of the road
While the term jaywalking has been used for decades, the origin of the word itself seems to come from several different sources. Before the 20th century,
It's extremely on topic for the thread you responded to.
Google has a concerted effort to make "sideloading" bad, so they can remove it without public backlash
The next comment in the chain mentioned how auto manufacturers did the same thing, villainizing people using public spaces by calling it "jaywalking" until it became illegal to walk on public roads
That was done to take public spaces away from pedestrians and give it to cars
This is being done to take software outside of Google Play away and give the only profit to google
how and why it was used to essentially mean "a stupid person"
You told me how it was used to mean "a stupid driver". Seems like an accurate term to describe drivers and walkers alike doing stupid things, like walking into traffic. 🤷
They didn't make illegal to cross the street. They made it illegal to cross the street in a particular time or place where the walker would endanger themselves.
I'm not missing any historical context. What I'm missing is how the term is inaccurate or used inappropriately.
If you actually care, you can start with things like "walkable cities," look at city planning before Ford made it illegal, look into how NYC has made it no longer a crime, etc.
It doesn't actually seem like you do, though
Ford's work to reframe the action caused massive changes to urban planning, mostly for the worse.
Their work to change cultural views are apparently so strong, you can't see how changing the language around it was "inaccurate or inappropriate"
That's what Google is doing to the average user for "sideloading" - in a few generations, they will have stigmatized it enough that people will be saying it shouldn't be allowed
Again, you keep insisting that I just don't understand anything about walkable cities or talking about Ford's ad campaigns. I do. That is not what we're discussing.
What we're discussing is how the word is inaccurate or inappropriate or "blames" anyone other than those who are doing exactly what the word is intended to describe. And it doesn't seem like you have any interest in putting forth a legitimate argument so I guess we're done here.
If you truly understand the historical context of how calling it "jaywalking" rather than what it was at the time has been used to change the cultural narrative, and you understand how Google (and Apple) are trying to say "sideloading" is dangerous and shouldn't be allowed on their devices, but can't get to how that shift in narrative is being used... I agree, there's no point in continuing
I see your confusion. You are assessing it from the reality when the project already succeed. You think: people who wonder on the street are to blame if they are hit. How term change it in anyway? Right? Streets are for cars. Obviously.
But before the campaing, the streets actually belonged to the people and cars was the dafoult expectation. You had a shopping carts there, children plaing, cyklist and walkers. Cars were introduced, and the responsibility was on the driver to keep attention. When the increasing number of accidents start to generate the bad press and there was a risk that use of car will become highly regulated, they launched the the campaign with a basic premise "car accidents victims are simpletons that have only themselves to blaim".
Your confusions is a testimony to how well it worked.
You think: people who wonder on the street are to blame if they are hit.
I have said absolutely nothing to give you that impression so I have to assume this is just an ad hominem in the absence of any legitimate explanation.
I think you may have glossed over the word "drivers" there. The word was used to describe people ignoring traffic regulations, both while driving and walking.
I didn't "blame" anyone, I just said it was ignorant, as is the literal definition of the word, according to the person I replied to.
Society has this super weird position that there can only ever be one person or entity to blame. You can blame a pedestrian for ignorantly wandering into traffic while simultaneously blaming the driver for being inattentive.
To be clear, your position is that "stupid person walked into the traffic" and "it's that person fault" are two different things? You grasp the tiniest of straws. (You accused me of ad hominem, look up motte-and-bailey)
But even beside that you miss the point entirely. What I tried yo explain you there was that there was no "into the traffic" there. People didn't "wonder" on the streets. They were just there. Like today they are on the sidewalk. People were the rule cars were the exception. If electric scooter run into the pedestrian, you don't defoult into "the pedestrian was likely ignorant". Imagine scooter manufacturers start to call people involved in the accidents like this something like "loonies" or "zombies" until the legislation that people can walk only directly beside the curb is passed... And 10 years from that somene like you will argue "but skipping across the entire sidewalk is ignorant and careless. Term loonie sounds accurate to me".
What I tried yo explain you there was that there was no "into the traffic" there. People didn't "wonder" on the streets.
That is not what you said. What you said was, and I quote "You think: people who wonder on the street are to blame if they are hit."
If people are not "wandering into the street" then they are not "jaywalking", are they?
People were the rule cars were the exception.
It doesn't matter which one is which. The one that is "jay" is the one doing so without any regard for the rules, endangering themselves and other road users.
Imagine scooter manufacturers start to call people involved in the accidents like this something like "loonies" or "zombies"
That would be a completely different use of the word, since neither of these words mean "someone who operates scooters carelessly and without regard for the rules", as jaywalking does.
You will never convince anyone by gaslighting them into believing you didn't say things you did (especially where it's clearly documented) and continually pursuing strawman arguments.
Yes, those are not the same and that's exactly the point.
2nd one is me trying to understand your perspective and assumimg that you asses the irresponsibility of wondering into trafic must comr from the modern perspective in accordance with modern standards (existing traffic laws and road culture) - reality after PR campaign.
1st one is pointing out that that traffic laws and road culture were different back then, and.we.can't even talk about "wondering into" traffic anymore than we could talk about "wondering into sidewalk" - reality before PR campaign.
Those two not being the same is the result of PR campaign changing one state of round culture to another by stigmatizing being a pedestrian on the street. That's the problem we are discussing.
Come on.
(Man, I'm regretting biting after it was obvious this conversation is going nowhere. This time I'm truly out. Feel free to have your last word, but - hopefully - I'll not address it)
Personally? It was based on things you said. We allready discused it, right? And it was the only thing to.me that made sense. At least than you'd be understandably wrong, instead of stubbornly wrong. If you understand that before the campaign walking on the streets was normal and perfectly leagal and the capaign stigmatized it as a simpletons behavior of irresponsible people, than I honestly don't understand what is the hill you chose to die on.
You could blame the pedestrian, but it would be incorrect. A pedestrian is more vulnerable and harmless than a vehicle, and arguably has more of a reason to be traveling through the downdown of a city on foot than the vehicle does.
When cars began taking over streets making it dangerous for the people there, and auto makers lobbied to make cities more car centric, it made the cities way worse.
Imagine for a moment if in the model t days, the dangerous vehicle was held responsible and regulated instead of the people walking. We would have walkable cities today and cars wouldn't be allowed to take over.
We are not talking about individual blame, we're upset at the historical choices that led to a car centric landscape.
You could blame the pedestrian, but it would be incorrect.
How would you know that when I haven't even specified any circumstances? Unless your intention is to suggest there are no circumstances in which a pedestrian is even partially to blame?
If a pedestrian sprints out from behind a wall into traffic moving 70MPH, that's 100% the driver's fault for hitting them? This is the logic you want to go with?
A pedestrian is more vulnerable and harmless than a vehicle
What does that have to do with whose responsibility it is!?
and arguably has more of a reason to be traveling through the downdown of a city on foot than the vehicle does
No they don't? And why are we downtown?
Imagine for a moment if in the model t days, the dangerous vehicle was held responsible and regulated instead of the people walking.
You mean instead of a world where we hold responsible the people who are actually responsible?
We would have walkable cities today and cars wouldn't be allowed to take over.
No, we would just have more criminals. The only way we have walkable cities is by banning cars.
We are not talking about individual blame, we're upset at the historical choices that led to a car centric landscape.
I know you want to talk about that. I agree with you. But it is, in fact, not what we're talking about. We're talking about the supposed use of the word "jaywalking" implying that all pedestrians are to blame for collisions.
The time is 1900. There are no traffic laws. A car almost runs into a dude.
If you say, "that car is dangerous" you are correct, and society tends towards making laws that protect pedestrians.
If you say "that person is jaywalking" you are framing the situation such that the car has more of a right to be there than the person. Maybe you think that cars are modern. "The wave of the future." This is the incorrect framing. We have seen how much of a mistake this was.
Some places like the Netherlands have been undoing the damage, rectifying the error in urban design.
We are downtown because that was the context in which the term "jaywalking" was invented. To kick pedestrians out of their own downtown.
We're talking about the supposed use of the word "jaywalking" implying that all pedestrians are to blame for collisions
Maybe that's what you're talking about. The rest of us are talking about how "jaywalking" was coined to make a normal behavior (people walking around their city) seem wrong. That is why so many people are telling you to listen to what they're saying.
Can't help but notice you declined to answer any of my questions.
If you say "that person is jaywalking" you are framing the situation such that the car has more of a right to be there than the person.
Incorrect. You are framing the situation such that the jaywalker is endangering themselves and other road users by ignoring the rules of the road that keep everyone safe. "Jaywalking" does not refer to pedestrians as a whole, only the people committing the act of jaywalking.
Some places like the Netherlands have been undoing the damage, rectifying the error in urban design.
Wonderful! Good for them!
We are downtown because that was the context in which the term "jaywalking" was invented.
Okay, so "jaywalking" only applies "downtown". Presumably you can provide a source for this?
The rest of us are talking about how "jaywalking" was coined to make a normal behavior (people walking around their city) seem wrong
That is not what you're talking about. You're talking about automotive propaganda and the history of urban infrastructure. Nothing about the term itself or how it was misused or appropriated to mean something other than exactly what it does.
That is why so many people are telling you to listen to what they're saying.
They keep saying things that I already know. Strawman topics that I agree with and don't require further discussion.
You are framing the situation such that the jaywalker is endangering themselves and other road users by ignoring the rules of the road that keep everyone safe. "Jaywalking" does not refer to pedestrians as a whole, only the people committing the act of jaywalking.
This is simply miskaken. At the time the term was invented, the streets were for pedestrians. There were natually no laws or norms saying people shouldnt walk in the street. Car companies waged a campaign to kick pedestrians out. If we can't agree on this basic fact, I am not sure how to continue the discussion.
There were natually no laws or norms saying people shouldnt walk in the street
There aren't any today either. But there are regulations about where and when people should walk in the street. Violations of these regulations (not literally just moving your feet back and forth) are known as jaywalking.
Now you're doing that strawman thing again. No one said there were no laws. What I said is that there are no laws saying that people cannot walk in the street.
They are called the right of way.
Yes, exactly. Jaywalking is the act of ignoring the right of way. Thank you for clarifying that.
I will not argue further with someone who is unable to incorporate new information.
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The point is, there shouldn't be a distinction. To make one is to support prejudice against installing software from elsewhere.
If you use "installing" for stuff from the Google store but any other word for stuff from other sources, you are aiding and abetting Google's anti-property-rights propaganda.
There has to be. When 99% of installs come from one location, there needs to be a way to describe that other than "Installing apps from outside the default app store".
To make one is to support prejudice against installing software from elsewhere.
Okay, I understand your position. Android's play store has market dominance, so the a term to distinguish between 99% of play store installs vs others, makes sense.
Now, that is a tangent to the main issue, just arguing semantics. The issue is control versus openness, not about the term sideloading.
Is Google's plan to restrict app sideloading a good thing in your eyes, or no?
Nice, I could tell you're a smart dude, so at least we all can agree that Android is no longer to be trusted.
Funny how words and language become the focus of this thread, and then the main issues get pushed to the side. I was arguing against you as if we didn't agree on the main problem 😅
Installing an app is not the same thing as installing an app? What difference does it make where it came from? Why do you need two different words for installing an app? Why does the distinction of where it came from matter when the outcome is no different?
I didn't say that's what you said, I'm making a point that its the same fucking thing. Read the rest of my comment and answer my questions please. Or do you agree that there's no functional difference and splitting hairs about where it came from is just a way to enforce corporate hegemony?
It was clearly the implied suggestion. I've already answered your questions a dozen times elsewhere. Gonna have to have a poke around because I don't feel like typing them again.
Or do you agree that there's no functional difference and splitting hairs about where it came from is just a way to enforce corporate hegemony?
The functional difference is that one means "installing from anywhere" and the other means "installing from outside the default app store". They are different words with different meanings, one being more specific than the other.
It's like saying "neurosurgeon" instead of "medical professional". There is a difference. One is much more specific. "Neurosurgeon" wasn't made up by Big Pharma to gaslight you into believing brain surgery was bad, it's just a lot fewer words than "medical professional who does surgery on brains".
The functional difference is that one means “installing from anywhere” and the other means “installing from outside the default app store”. They are different words with different meanings, one being more specific than the other.
If the outcome is the same, then there is no functional difference. If I say I need to see a doctor, there is a functional difference between a neurosurgeon and another medical professional. If I say I want to download a calculator app, there is no functional difference if I download it from a first-party app store or a third-party app store. You're splitting hairs. Stop supporting corporate hegemony.
If the outcome is the same, then there is no functional difference.
The outcome is absolutely not the same. If Google said "we're no longer allowing you to install apps", that would be a completely different conversation. There is a functional differrence.
If someone sent a nurse in to do your neurosugery, that would absolutely not be the same...
I don't understand why this needs to be explained...
You're splitting hairs
My brother in Christ, you're literally the one splitting hairs...that's the opposite of what I'm doing.
Why would you want to call it sideloading when you're not loading from the side?
I don't know what you think "loading from the side" means? I use the term for the same reason I use any other term: to convey ideas through common understandings.
It's just doing what Google wants you to do.
Why the fuck would Google care what words you use?
It means downloading not from the internet but from another device.
Google wants it to mean installing software they don't condone, but I don't see why the rest of us should follow their lead. I don't know anyone who calls installing from FDroid "sideloading"
The words people use influences public opinion and the bottom line of corporations such as Ford and Google.
If there is a functional difference, then why can't you say what the difference is? You continue to refuse to do so BECAUSE THERE IS NO FUNCTIONAL DIFFERENCE. All you're doing is installing an app. The only thing that changes is where the app comes from and if your corporate overlords approve of it's origin. So again, what fundamental difference does it make where the app comes from?
My brother in Christ, you’re literally the one splitting hairs…that’s the opposite of what I’m doing.
I'm saying they're the same. You're saying these two things that are functionally identical are fundamentally different. In what conceivable way am I splitting hairs?
I literally just did, twice. If you're just going to submit angry replies without actually reading the comments then this discussion is doomed, so good day.
The words for distinguishing between apps that come from one trusted location vs others is usually untrusted or unverified apps versus trusted or verified ones. "Installing apps from outside the default app store" converts to, "Installing an untrusted app".
The same word that I use to when I get software that's not on the Microsoft Store, the Mac App Store, or whatever distro's Software GUI when I am using my desktop..
Why? That's a perfect example. There is no qualitative difrence between Microsoft Store and Play Store. Why quantitative difference in the market share would make any distinction in the terminology we use around the process?
So when I install an app from Fdroid, it's only "installing" if lots of other people do it? But if other people don't use it as much it's "sideloading"?
When I install software from the Arch User Repository I still just call it installing, even though it isn't through the standard path. Everywhere else, you don't make the distinction. For some reason on phones we've come to call it sideloading, even though the software is just software —it doesn't care where it came from.
Again, when I install something from the AUR (which is not where most software comes from —99+% are from official repositories) it isn't given a special term. It's the exact same situation as "sideloading" but we just call it installing. Can you explain what the difference is between them?
Wow, you're frustrating. If using an unofficial source for applications is called sideloading, why isn't that term used for desktop computing? The term only exists for phones. The AUR is an unofficial user-run source and is equivalent to a source other than the play/apple store. If that term was actually useful or needed we call installing applications from the AUR sideloading, but we don't. Clearly the term has no real utility besides making it sound like something you shouldn't do.
Yes they are! That's what I'm saying. 99% of apps aren't coming from the AUR. Why don't we call it sideloading, if it were actually a term that were needed?
Same thing. 99% of apps are coming from official repositories. A tiny fraction are coming from non-official sources, like the AUR. It should be called sideloading if the term actually had a technical need. Obviously your reasoning that we need the term is wrong. No one feels the need for it on desktop. What's different about mobile?
even within android, if you attempt to install an apk directly, it doesn't say "would you like to sideload this application?", but instead says, "Do you want to install this app?".
Even Google's own OS doesn't use made up language.
When you install a '.exe' file in Windows, you don't call it 'sideloading', you call it 'downloading and installing'.
This is the exact same thing. I download from sites, F-Droid, Obtainium, etc., and install the software that is the file I downloaded. I'm effectively NOT side-anything.
The issue people have with making the distinction is that Google is trying to spin the narrative and make side loading seem like a dangerous and bad thing to the average user base who don't know any better.
They're taking umbrage with you agreeing that quantitative usage of a storefront makes something simply installing vs side loading a program. Because it helps Google's narrative in a way.
I understand exactly what people think the issue is. I don't understand or agree with any of the logic. Google did not invent the term. Apple did not invent the term. There's nothing in the term itself to imply anything nefarious. It's nothing but a word used to describe apps installed from outside the default store. When 99-100% of users are all installing exclusively from the default store, it makes sense to have a term that describes that instead of saying "installing apps from outside the default app store" every time.
Google is twisting the word to justify their purpose of preventing people from installing anything that isn't from their walled garden. So anything that sounds even close to support for that motive is going to be met with pushback, even if it is a word that existed before Google's use of it. Google's implicitly saying that installing something from anywhere other than their store is something nefarious or otherwise bad/risky. Google is trying to perform the same kind of security theatre as the US with the NSA at airports.
Honestly, it doesn't matter to me where you install an app from because you're simply installing it. Whether that's from Google's storefront, Apple's, or somewhere else, you're installing an app. The circumstances where I'd need a term to specifically say that I'm installing an app from outside the default app store would also be covered by simply saying "I got it from GitHub (or wherever)." It takes the same energy to answer the question of where you got it from regardless of whether you say that you installed it or you side loaded it.
By justifying getting rid of it as "security concerns". This is the first time the average user will have heard the term, so it will be linked in their head to this and therefore as risky/dangerous and they won't question why Google would want to make it harder, if not impossible, for people to install apps or other software without Google's explicit permission.
The walls around the garden get taller, and those inside won't question why there aren't any doors.
By justifying getting rid of it as "security concerns".
That has absolutely nothing to do with what you said. What you said is that they were "twisting the word". Once again, they're using it in exactly the way it is intended to be used.
So it's always had a negative connotation to it? Because that's what I'm saying. That Google is using the word by its correct definition, but adding to the original definition a subtext that side loading is a bad thing. Hence, they're twisting it from its original meaning to a negative connotation to the average person (who has never heard the word before).
It's like Windows' UAC popping up with a warning when you try to install just about anything. To the average computer illiterate person, they're going to second guess whatever they're installing as "dangerous" while the rest of us are like "shut up Windows, of course I want to install the Nvidia drivers, that's why I clicked on the damn thing."
I will concede that the corporate use of 'sideloading' is bypassing the official store, but if you look at the other examples you'll see that it is not the only usage. I think it is important to frame installing software as just that.
Installing software from outside the play store should be called installing software. It's installing software from the play store what should have a special name, like "gatedloading" for example.
In what way is installing from the play store fundamentally different? Just because it was preloaded on your phone? What if F droid was preloaded on your phone instead? Is it still sideloading? Google's logic breaks down pretty quickly when you think about it
Yes, but littering used to be a legitimately big problem to. Like the hole in the ozone, now that it's "solved"/ the norm for it to be getting better the focus should shift to other things.
why can google not just code something like this into android:
allow apps from: ( ) All sources (how it is now; allow each app to install apps from external sources) ( ) Just Google Play ( ) Apps which have been verified by Google Developer Program
Taking Google at their word for a moment, it's far too easy to scam the clueless masses into selecting the first one. Might work okay if it's strictly an ADB command, tho.
I'm inclined to think that's not the job of an OS vendor to prevent. Sure, put a warning label on it, but it's the user's device; once they say they know what they're doing, that should be that.
The implication here is, if they implement this, is that they volunteer to assume liability, should e.g., your bank account be drained despite undergoing their forced strict lockdown on paid and owned devices.
Fat chance, because laws are meaningless to crime syndicates
It might be a reasonable trade for users to make if Google assumed liability. In fact, that would be an interesting way to implement laws to discourage practices like these.
If someone can be socially engineered into disabling security mechanisms, then that should just be their fate. There's no sense in fucking everyone else in order to protect them.
If Google wanted to add developer verification without being evil, it could use SSL certificates connected to domain names. I think the whole concept is ill-conceived, though I'll admit to a modest bias against protecting people from themselves.
They couldn't. Domains and SSL certificates can be obtained very easily anonymously and thus wouldn't let Google identify the developers of malicious apps, which is the goal of this
The trouble is Google’s definition of malicious apps. Are adblockers malicious? How about alternative apps for YouTube? Based on the recent history, I don’t think you will be able to install those apps on the phone you purchased.
So any APK I download will just expire at some point in time that's probably really annoying to know, and then I have to dig through the internet again so I can install the app again?
If it's anything like how Windows does it, you would still be able to override it. It just gives you a scary warning and hides the option unless you click "more info" or something.
Which nullifies the point of certificates having an expiration date (limited window for exploiting a compromised certificate, possibility of domains changing hands), not the point of validating the signature (tie responsibility for apps to who owned a domain on a specific date, allow third parties to create blacklists of bad developers).
Code signing certificates work a little differently than SSL certificates. A timestamp is included in the signature so the certificate only needs to be valid at the time of signing. The executable will remain valid forever, even if the certificate later expires. (This is how it works on Windows)
Doesn't work, the reason they can expire is to make certificate rotation possible. If an expired ssl certificate is cracked it doesn't matter because no browser will accept the expired certificate, with your idea the expired certificate just signs an app with the date of 1984 and it works.
Certificates in SSL can't change the date because that date is signed by a certificate higher in the hierarchy.
This isn't "my idea", this is how the industry already does code signing. You can't sign something with a date of 1984 because your certificate has a start and end date, and is usually only valid for 1 year.
Then you need a Trusted Third Party, right? Still requires some though on how to prevent that third party from blocking applications they don't like but I can see how a group of trusted authorities could work.
The trusted 3rd party in this case is actually multiple 3rd parties. There's several options for trusted timestamping just like there's multiple trusted root CAs for SSL. Since the timestamping service is free and public, anyone can use it to sign anything, even self-signed certificates. There's no mechanism to deny access, at least for this portion.
There's always a risk the root CAs all collude and refuse to give out certificates to people they don't like, but at least so far this hasn't been a problem. I don't have a better solution unfortunately. If we could have a 100% decentralized signing scheme that would be ideal, but I have no idea how you would build such a thing without identity verification and some inherit trust in the system
I'm not sure why google is over engineering this, proper mainline distros have this solved since forever. Let the community setup trusted repos with gpg keys, then let me trust the repos. If Fdroid trusts the package and I trust Fdroid, who should care?
Ding ding ding ding ding. It's so obvious, it's because Google wants to be in control and block apps it would rather not exist. Newpipe, FreeTube, Revanced and the like.
Then why aren't they already doing that by blocking DuckDuckGo?
The DuckDuckGo app blocks all apps from sending to Google (and other advertisers) tracking/ad data on a system level. And it's freely available on the Play Store (has been for years.
Blokada 5 blocks ads in apps and it was removed from the google store years ago. You have to sideload it in order to use it.
There's a neutered version on the google store, but it doesn't block ads effectively.
Google also removed an addon called Adnauseam, which clicked ads in additional to blocking them. That way, advertisers still have to pay site owners for your visit. Google removed it without justifiable reason, then kept it removed since there was no sufficient backlash.
It's the main reason why I switched to Firefox. That kind of abuse is for useful idiots.
I honestly think that this is just not going to happen. It's already a giant pain in the ass to install apps from anywhere else than Play Store. With Shizuku it got much, much better.
What kind of apps are you installing? I've never ever had any issue with installing APKs on Samsung, you just have to allow the app that triggered it to install APKs one time and every subsequent time, it just works.
In some regions, afaik, you just CANNOT install certain apps without adb, this in my experience includes: KDEConnect, Fdroid, Newpipe...etc. The list changes time to time.
Pixel 8a on stock here. I have no idea what @Hawk is talking about. I just install any app, that I want. I might had to alter some settings, to do it, but I don't remember doing that.
GrapheneOS patches this behavior if apps match their Google play signature IIRC. This is a behavior that apps on the play store can opt into (basically they block operation if they aren't installed via Play).
It was rather annoying until recently, since some apps require you to be on a certified Android install to find them in the Play store, but don't actually check play integrity in the app. These apps when installed via Aurora wouldn't work for me until Graphene patched this.
AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh, ok, say no more. Samsung used to be much easier to work around and they're really joining the "lock it down!" club lately.
But you can't shop at Target with some random app, only the Target app. Even a small business has an accessible pathway to publish their app. Besides Fortnite and my gimbal nobody out here trying to educate customers on how to install their apk file.
They mean a physical Target store, not a phone app. Target can track customers walking in and out the door and what they buy, how long they stay, etc. but they can't track anything about you if you just go to a different store, especially something like a small business which isn't hooked into the ad data sponge.
Also if the CEO of target decides he really doesn't like a popular shirt and is able to force everyone to only shop at target, then he can come a lot closer to snuffing out the existence of that shirt.
This is actually worse than integration in Play Protect which can be disabled very easily. Now you can only install unsigned apps via ADB which means just developers can do it.
I believe I got a notification that it disables NFC payments when developer mode is enabled. Which I know not as many people use it in the U.S. but some do.
Although you are correct, you still don't have to be a developer to find use in ADB. I've used it and I've never been interested enough in developing for Android to do more than install the SDK for it once.
Leaving ADB open to unverified apps is more than I was expecting. ADB is reasonably straightforward to use even without actually being an Android developer.
There was never any way they'd integrate it to play protect and still allow play protect to be disabled. I prefer this to being required to use play protect personally, though the services do seem somewhat redundant. Presumably the whole point of doing this is to create an Apple style walled garden (which is of course very profitable). Google likely doesn't want to fully lock it down and risk legal trouble, they just need to make it difficult enough that the masses don't bother installing unapproved apps that may not act in Google's interests.
I still hope the EU takes legal action against this anyway.
I don't think this adds anything tbh as peoppe with adb would always be able to bypass this. The issue is that this kills distribution and thats exactly what Google wants - have full competitive control. Once they don't like your app they'll block your account and what do you do with your customer base? Give them adb install instructions? That's basically a death sentence for any app.
they always do this to gaslight us into accepting things we would not. when blocking installs from outside gplay is a possibility, further restricting it is a relief, not the outrage it should still be.
that or they got a feel for it and decided to settle with less restriction. for now.
the permanent solution as always is deposing them from this position of enormous power and monopoly. easy said.
So a lot of speculation and we don't know much except 2 paragraphs in the FAQ... I'd like to mention though, they've recently stripped the Pixel devices of their status as developer devices and now push for their emulator for development. Once they follow that kind of logic, there isn't really a reason to keep ADB working as is, at least not on real devices.
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