TLDR: Customized a browser as dedicated Fediverse front-end, use existing web clients for per-service UI, manage account/password with password manager, and merge the notifications from multiple services into one inbox? Is this possible/good?
Hello all,
It's me, an eager fediverse adopter who wants all their friends to get onboard and craves an all-in-one solution for federated content, but who knows no code and barely enough IT to get by reading git documentation.
I'll start by saying that one thing is clear, diversity and experimentation is the essence and benefit of the Fediverse concept. To me, new and exciting ways to use ActivityPub (and other distributed social/comms protocols) get me thrilled and ready for more. The challenge I, and I'm sure many adopters face is the challenge as old as the internet: platform fatigue.
While I want to use all the amazing services the Fediverse offers, managing clients and accounts for each one, and specifically the notification streams coming from all of them, often feels burdensome, decreasing my engagement.
So here's a simple thought experiment I've been playing with: what is the simplest, lowest friction method of accessing and managing multiple notification/content streams without needing to consolidate or centralize client/server development across multiple projects? And further more, how can this set of notifications (and subsequent content interaction) be consolidated yet separated from the other non-fediverse notifications/content across multiple devices?
My naive user mind has pointed me in the direction of dedicated browser instances with customized UI. When I have a webapp I need rapid access to and notifications from I install a dedicated browser instance (or "app" in Edge speak, I know, booo). This works well for me, and in some cases uses less memory than a dedicated application for some reason (looking at you Discord).
So what if a customized browser could be built off of an existing project (probably going to have to be Firefox based, though all eyes on Ladybird), that has a built in password/account manager, and pulls the notification streams from all of the services those accounts interact with into a merged list. Then add filter options for that list including service, account, media type, etc.
All interactions with notifications pulls up a tab of a webclient the user designates for that service, ideally reusing the same single tab unless the user specifically selects open new tab. Each designated service appears on the toolbar as a bookmark, showing notification number beside it. Total notifications and the shortcut to the unified notifications service/Inbox lives on the left or right side of the toolbar and is emphasized.
And that's it, everything Fediverse under one hood, separate from the main browser, not scattered across multiple installed applications, and with each client self-updating.
The challenge? Of course it is merging all the notification streams. Based on what I know of ActivityPub this seems achievable, but the details are beyond me. I am reminded of RSS emerging as the means of addressing a very similar challenge with the emergence of blogs, perhaps an ActivityPub to RSS gateway/bridge could even be the solution to merge the notification streams and then off the shelf RSS reader extensions could serve for the master notification inbox.
I am also reminded of my beloved Trillian which merged IM services under a single application hood, but faced an ever stacking development load as each service changed. Glad to see they still exist, but it seems like the browser route could avoid that centralized dev burden.
Thoughts from more experienced minds than I? Does this make any sense?
I've seen this ask come up a number of times now -- and to a certain extent, the Piefed and Mbin frontends do kinda to it already in that you can have your microblog and threaded content in the same UI. But before taking that further with pixelfed/loops integration as well, ask whether it's really a good idea. There's a reason why Twitter, Facebook, and Reddit are separate sites, and why none have tried to implement the UI or feature set of the other. I would make the case that the fediverse would really benefit from a portable user IDs auth system that could be used between different services or instances (which Nostr kinda does, and there are other zero-knowledge proof-based services that could be integrated), but with regard to content display and just interacting with content, having 3 different tabs open with the 3 different kinds of content/conversations just makes a lot more sense to me.
Aha, but you see my proposal specifically keeps the web clients for the specific content streams up to the user rather than baking them in. I like M.Bin so thats what I use for threads and microblogs, so thats what I would select as my service for that content within the browser.
What I want is a unified inbox, with a move from each notification over to the webclient I choose to interact with the content. To be more specific I want a text-only inbox, but I want it to include headlines/captions/descriptions for multimedia content so I can have my Peertube, Pixelfed, Loops, Threads, Microblogs and whatever else all accessible from a single point of contact.
I definitely agree on the portable account point, it always reminds me of Solid the private data project by Sir Tim Berners-Lee. Seems like ATProtocol may have been influenced by it?
There’s a reason why Twitter, Facebook, and Reddit are separate sites, and why none have tried to implement the UI or feature set of the other.
Yes, the reason is that corporations can not profit from an unsiloed web of data, so they all created their own walled gardens and successfully fooled users into believing that the UI needs to be tightly coupled with the data they host.
having 3 different tabs open with the 3 different kinds of content/conversations just makes a lot more sense to me.
What would be stopping us from having these tabs using the same data from the social graph?
Yes, this is my point exactly. I want the 3 tabs, AND I want a unified inbox that opens those tabs when I interact with a relevant notification. Seems like there are some projects heading this direction.
Ideally I dont want a new tab to open for every time I click on a different notification of the same type, just reuse the existing client tab that is open.
Yes, basically a browser plugin and a skin would do it. Someone just commented that push notifications at the desktop level handle this for them, and that was an aha moment. The extension could just be a push notification log woth the ability to filter for a group of designated sources.
Both Mastodon and Lemmy (and Mbin) expose an API, which can be used to develop an alternative client (for e.g. mobile). This allows even for several alternative front-ends, like Elk, Phanpy and pl-fe for Mastodon (and Pleroma and Akkoma and some Misskey forks and several projects for single-user-instances - all of these extend Mastodon API in some way), or Photon, mlmym and Blorp for Lemmy. GoToSocial (made for single-user-instances) does not provide any webUI, pointing to these alternative front-ends. Lemdro.id even swapped its interface for Photon.
Technically one is able to develop a Fediverse instance software which would provide both Mastodon API (likely with extensions) and Lemmy API. With e.g. microblogging (and maybe events?) used via pl-fe and Threadiverse content more easily available via Photon or Blorp? But I am not aware of any project like that.
Yes, what I'm getting at is a way to create a notifications/inbox client that pulls from all the above stated API's but does not attempt to push any content to them, instead switching the user over to their preferred webclient when content interaction begins.
Kind of like how an email client shows a title/headline, sender, and Metadata for each post but then expands a rich text / markup environment when you open the email. Or how some minimal RSS readers just pull headlines and a quick summary of each post but push you over to the original website when you click through to read the full post.
I just want one place to see who has posted on what, and then use the front ends specialized for each piece of content to actually interact.
I suppose there could be a side development to this, which would be the ability to associate accounts across multiple services and then filter only for them, for example if you know someone who posts on lemmy, Mastodon, peertube, Pixelfed, and loops, you could view all their posts of the day in one place. Or a team you are a part of. Anyway, once you can pull multiple services into one inbox the data sort potential is an obvious added benefit.
Who said that? The browser still needs to be a browser in order to open links in posts. Similar to how Interstellar the client I'm using right now brings up a browser window when I click a link.
no it doesn't. most clients open third-party links in the actual browser. interstellar has a setting for that.
i'm saying that the functionality you're describing is already perfectly encapsulated by a normal browser, and what you want is that, but limited to a handful of sites.
This is an issue of reading comprehension, I'm talking about a browser with a UI customized to fit Fediverse needs first and websites second, plus a service embedded in the browser to pull unification from each service into a single stream.
Preserving website functionality is still essential to the browser, because both the fediverse clients and the links posted on them should in my opinion be opened in that same browser by default (or set to open a different browser if the user prefers).
Im just talking about UI, no one said anything about blocking websites. Just because the address bar doesnt live onscreen by default doesn't mean it should be eliminated entirely.
so a set of pwas with a tabbed ui on top. right. i think my sticking point is, what is the "tailored ui" that fediverse services require? if we're already using the web interfaces of the services themselves, what is left? notification handling? because personally i don't want notifications to be locked in an app, my desktop handles my notification feed. i used to have those notification counters on my tabs, using a little js snippet that rendered a number on the favicon. but then i realised that i was just reinventing a thing that was already handled at another level.
Why don't the highest use rate clients for Fediverse services look like standard browsers? There is a level of pure aesthetic sensibility at play.
I'm interested in what you mean by your desktop handling your notifications, do you have a central log of notifications you can access via your desktop?
This is actually a pretty great angle I hadn't fully thought out, most clients do push notifications, so is what I'm really talking about just a push notification log with the ability to filter for a set of designated sources? That would definitely handle a hefty chunk of what I'm getting at, the rest is basically just a browser skin and some extensions.
Why don’t the highest use rate clients for Fediverse services look like standard browsers?
they don't? i feel like they pretty much do, considering they're all web pages.
do you have a central log of notifications you can access via your desktop?
every desktop environment i've used in the past 10 years has this, it's basically been the default from windows 8 forward. GNOME puts them front and center in a dropdown in the middle, windows and deepin has a sidebar, KDE pops out a whole window for them.
basically the crux of it is what you want to do with your notifications. for me, a notification is an indicator that someone wants something, so the action it should perform is bring me to whoever it is. if that's all you need, then you're already there because every client i've used already has notification settings that allow you to filter stuff.
the reason i'm asking questions is that you're all over the stack here. you're talking about a user chrome, then you're talking about consolidating messages, then about notification filters. i think it can all coalesce into something if you start from the capabilities of activitypub itself. it's basically a messaging system at its core, with clients all deciding how to handle the contents of each message. i've long thought that neither twitterlikes or redditlikes actually play to the strength of the protocol, and that activitypub needs some sort of killer app to really shine. if you think you have something, you should let it form into a coherent idea and present it.
I'm going to have to dive into push notification handling, I basically minimize the use of push notifications at my desktop level to only push work related content, and use the notification system of the clients to handle the "recreational" content which leaves me checking lots of platforms separately.
It makes sense that there should be the ability to create separate profiles with different filters and behaviors at the push notification manager level, I just haven't thought to look into it before.
Regarding killer apps for ActivityPub, and unified clients, I have a second idea which I didn't want to cloud this thread with that seems somewhat inevitable that will require a central portal with access to all services (and accounts?). That is a single publishing UI where the user creates/uploads any piece of content and then it suggests what venue/service/account to publish it on and related add-ons like hash tags, etc. With the Fediverse the APIs are open and multiplatform publishing clients (like FediPlan) already exist, so a level of light ML/AI for publication seems inevitable.
The next level of this, and what could be a "Killer App" is spontaneously generated affinity grouping via content aware publishing, meaning that the publishing client not only suggests where the posts should go, but also has a metalayer where the publishing clients instances "gossip" about the content being published and then create brand new "spontaneous" venues to publish that content in alongside other similar content being published by other users. Suddenly your text post about a super-niche interest or problem is pooled with posts by other users on the same topic, and bam you have a relevant discussion group of commenters/posters.
Problems of course arrise from this re:advertisers/promoters as well as unsavory/harmful mutual interests, but to be honest I think this is more of an inevitability than a possibility, so getting ahead to architect it in a way that minimizes potential abuse before the corpos get on it is probably a good idea.
hm, i think there's some confusion regarding AP here. there's no "deciding where things should go"; every frontend can "see" every type of post, even if the format is off. what you're describing by is essentially how it already works, no multiple accounts needed. the frontend just needs to decide how to handle it. for lemmy-to-masto the handling is pretty basic, you can see it by going to a mastodon server and searching for your lemmy account (formatted as @yourname@yoursite.blah).
for the "gossip" thing, every server already publishes every new thing. it's up to other servers to decide how to handle it.
regarding the automated tagging system, i actually had a similar idea recently. i think a big flaw with lemmy/mbin/piefed is the keeping of communities from reddit; if the already extant tags were used instead, the cross-posting problem would go away completely since comments would be attached to posts rather than communities.
anyway: it would not be difficult to just use words in a post to assign it tags, but i question the usefulness of doing that. some sort of analysis would help, as you say, but then we're introducing nondeterministic behaviour. there is definitely a discoverability problem on fedi, and something like this could definitely help with some polish.
Regarding "where content should go", I mean like which community to post a lemmy post in, or which account to post to if a person manages multiple topical accounts (or accounts in different instances specialized for specific services), or whether to format it for loops vs peertube for video, etc.
Gossip wise, I'm imagining compressed data posted in a format only intended to be ready by the automation systems which happens before the suggestions are made, so that the suggestions can include dynamicly grouping content before publication by appending the relevant metadata/format (like posting in a lemmy community).
the formatting is up to the client that displays the content, interestingly enough. AP just has a "message type" fields and different clients care about different types.
i'm not really sure what that gossip method achieves. surely if it's just post metadata we're talking a hundred bytes at most. running it separate from the main feed seems like it would just bork every single AP client that tries to use content published by this hypothetical one.
Yes, the automation datastream would need to be segregated, and probably ephemeral.
The point is that if you want posts to spontaneously coalesce with some kind of shared Metadata, you want the ML content analysis information of the post to go out before the actual post is published so the final post Metadata can include the "group" tag or whatever you want to call it.
Alternately you could do it after the fact by editing the post, but that seems like there would probably be some degree of chicken and egg scenario.
All of this could be done by the client completely independent of post metadata of course, but then how do you make the relation of the posts to each other consistent between multiple users? Is that even a desireable/necessary goal is a question I suppose.
if you want posts to spontaneously coalesce with some kind of shared Metadata, you want the ML content analysis information of the post to go out before the actual post is published
i don't understand this assertion at all. the post is the post. surely we want to classify the post based on the content of the post? tags are contained in posts. your client can just add the relevant info before sending it. figure out potential categories locally, query the server for which of them are popular, and either pick one or have the user select one.
The difference is that I'm talking about the automation creating completely new groupings, most akin to a community on Lemmy, that coordinated across multiple users, in my mind "simultaneously" with the user still agreeing to opt in to inclusion in that group.
There is an alternative way to do this, which would be that the automation groups the posts after posting, however there is a question there about opt-in, will users want to opt existing posts in after the fact?
One way that definitely would be easiest to implement would be if these groupings are essentially threads with a single piece of content as the "start" / "seed" of the thread and the other posts relating to that thread. Regarding opt-in for that I suppose it could be as easy as enabling/disabling "thread seeding"
so fun fact, that's already how lemmy works. communities are not a thing in ap, so you can technically post to whatever community you want, existing or not. the lemmy software then limits users from posting to nonexistent communities. and ap already has the notion of posts having parents, so threading is also built in.
Thanks, this is definitely the direction I was imagining, though it takes the tac of trying to be a primary browser with Fediverse features, rather than a Fediverse dedicated browser instance, so they will be forced to sacrifice UI streamlining for website-centric UI.
What don't you like about the idea of you dont mind explaining?
Yes, we all want that for sure, and I'm definitely not convinced the ATProtocol solution is it.
Ever hear of Solid by Tim Berners-Lee? It was an early approach to this single account for private data concept, seems like it might still be in development these many years later? solidproject.org/
I think Solid had some interesting ideas, but was ruined by Linked Data. ActivityPub has a chance of evolving into something like Solid, but better.
Actually, I am already using a single account for interacting with most Fediverse apps. Aren't you on Mbin? I thought it also can interact with blogs, forums and everything in between
I use mbin for threads and microblogs, but it is missing some multimedia support. Someone told me that it can follow peertube accounts, but it only populates text, so I'm going to check that out next. Maybe it will evolve/build steam fast enough to really become the does-it-all platform with tons of devs putting in the necessary work, but right now I don't think it qualifies.
As a side note, what I'm talking about would be an alternative approach for a specific reason, dedicated UIs for specific content streams can be chosen by the user rather than baked in to the platform. For some people, this modular approach is going to be better.
Personally, I think it would only work out if the programmer tries to reconstruct posts from different formats in a format that works out for each. Otherwise it becomes what it already is, a glorified browser with multiple profiles enabled, and with over-preference for a type of engine.
My opinion is, take note of the major platforms for each engine and/or experience, and recommend them based on your friends' tastes.
The rest, centralization, would be replaced by what I call propagation (iirc people call it "to federated"?), which people directly and indirectly do, like boosting posts (Mbin / microblogging stuff) and commenting so people following the user see the original post too, following people and following Peertube channels on Peertube and the "threadiverse" so one's account is a bridge for propagation, up/downvoting, etc. And as this web of social medias grows, tendency is that it keeps growing exponentially until either it takes over like email, or stagnates.
This logic, I think, is similar to recommending Linux Mint or immutable distros to Linux novices, the "safe bet" for them before they get used to the technical side or while Linux wouldn't (past tense) become accessible.
Firstly, the theory that cross-propagation of media will lead to growth across multiple platforms starting with one as the "mainline" to recommend to new entrants heavily relies on Superusers who not only use multiple platforms for content discovery, but also then take the additional step to cross-post that media from one silo into the other, for example posting a peertube link into a miroblog post. For most people they will instead interact with the content in each silo, commenting on or favoriting the peertube post within the peertube client and leaving it at that.
Secondly is the attention economy factor and platform inertia. Essentially social media platforms have successfully commodified/colonized a growing percentage of total attention hours for average users, and when interacting with content most users are passive consumers for a substantial percentage of the total content they are served. When entering a new platform, for it to serve as a viable alternative it must serve up an amount of content that allows them to both use the platform for an appreciable percentage of their total media consumption (otherwise the ratio of times checking the platform to reward for the check drops below acceptability) and provide them with a level of engagement that provides platform satisfaction, which typically starts close to where they were on average with the other platforms they use. Then you have this issue of content-fit which is a whole different issue to address, which we will leave aside for the most oart but it is worth pointing out majorly impacts the number of interactions a user puts in to the content as well as overall satisfaction.
Unifying the inbox reduces one of the barriers to wider adoption by improving the ratio of number of times the platform is checked to the amount of content available for interaction, thereby making the fediverse a more likely source of overall content to be maintained in the user's set if options. Each platform individually will struggle with this until adoption passes a certain threshold. Each one individually feels "empty" to users when compared to their usual, which is a turn off for both consumers and creators, while in aggregate the picture is much better.
On the first point, propagation happens passively too. For example, if someone follows me on Mastodon, this reply will be pulled to his/her feed as a microblogging post, and will be discoverable on any feeds my account later appears. I remember also testing around between Lemmy and Mbin how liking/upvoting works, and doing that on Lemmy while the Mbin account followed it also showed posts previously not on my Mbin instance.
Similarly, Mbin (and dunno about Lemmy but I'd imagine it's the same) pulls Peertube channels as magazines/communities, and iirc Peertube channels can also be followed as users on microblogging platforms, and in both cases their video uploads automatically appear on the respective text feeds.
And about the second point, I agree, but that's also why I suggest recommending major platforms. For example, Lemmy.World and Mastodon.Social are likely to have far more publications being posted on or propagated to than Mbin or PieFed instances, since the former two are around for much longer, and not actively trying to be toxic (at least from what I can observe).
hmmmm interesting, a lot of this is news to me. I'll have to try and pull in some peertube accounts, I have never seen any posts showing them.
I also admit I dont follow that many individual accounts, but I don't follow some and I've never seen a comment come through as a notification. I'll try following you and see if that changes.
I do use M.Bin, but I want Peertube, Pixelfed, Looped, etc. to feed notifications into my inbox, and I dont want the burden of development of that UI to fall on m.bin devs when they should probably just focus on continuing to optimize text content functions. Also I think it is totally possible someone will come out with something better than m.bin and it would be nice if that was just plug and play into my inbox rather than requiring a full migration.
The core of my proposal is to minimize the dev burden of a unified platform by utilizing the siloed web clients for content interaction while centralizing notifications/inbox.
This should please both camps because the platform people will just keep doing the same thing they have been doing, while the browser folks get a single point of interaction with notifications but multiplatform capability on content interaction/graph navigation.
You might want to check out fedilab. It does something similar. I've been using it for a while. It's not browser based, it's far from perfect, and I don't think it includes Lemmy, but it's much more enjoyable than effing instagram.
For me, social media clients already act as a kind of browser. Theoretically, if all sides on the web would be connected to ActivityPub, you could access the whole web over a social web client. There exist bridges to the semantic web and of course (regardless of whether this is positive or negative) you also have bots connecting the social web to AI.
Er, the title pretty much explains. My wife listens to podcasts and falls asleep to them but I can't not listen to a human voice so I listen to (ideally instrumental) music.
Anyone else? If so, what do you put on to drift away to?
People like to hate on Starbucks, but they make decent espressos pretty consistently. I’ve tried many local coffee shops and espressos are always bitter.
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If the championship demands a test that is illegal in France, it sounds to me like the French should be preparing to split the championship. Who needs gender segregation anyway? Gender is just one variable, why should it be SO fucking determinant? Use any of the multiple other ability markers, like the ones used in the Paralympics, to create interesting level-field fights.
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There needs to be a global movement of people taking their leaders to task and enacting kinetic justice against corrupt public officials who cause harm to the governed with their corrupt ideologies.
My comprehension of the problem is that many of the folks decrying this, are the very first to desire corrupt positions of oppression. Otherwise injustices like these would simply cease to exist. Some call it hypocrisy, others digressive victimhood, and others “my boss.” Let's end our current oppressor, one despot at a time.
Good luck. Also your brain and vascular system will be huge bottle necks that can't be replaced. Most people don't realize it, but as people age, their veins and arteries begin to weaken\deteriorate to different extents depending on their overall health.
If you had an 80 year with CAD, and literally swapped out every organ you could, they would probably have an aneurysm and die within a few months. It would be like taking an old garden hose with dry rot and then pumping 5000gallons per minute through it when it's only rated for 50 gpm to begin with
Yeah, other than the horrific ghoulishness of it all, organ failure after transplant and rejection is still relatively high, and you have to be on medicine to prevent that rejection your entire life. You're going down Putin old boy.
I hope to never have to experience one organ transplant. They are morons if they think this is an elective option you’d want to do multiple times. Every single time is a threat to your life.
And life-long immunosuppressants with the constant mortal fear of a cough or runny nose. Sepsis is no joke and can easily develop in a matter of hours if you don't have a healthy immune system.
I hope we gain more control over our immune systems in the coming years. They protect us, but they can also kill us. I have people in my family with life threatening allergies, and gosh it would be amazing if we could just get our bodies to accept a transplanted organ that is literally keeping them alive.
In Rome, during a triumph, the celebrated general would have a slave required to remind him that he would one day die.
These globe striding tyrants need this now, but one guy reminding them during their parties simply isn't enough. Every moment of their lives should feature that reminder. Like tinnitus but "Memento Mori" (or its equivalent in their native tongue).
Nice little SF adventure. In the future, you can buy immortality in decade segments. The Foundation that controls the lifesaving process demands the wealthy sign over all their assets [at least $100 million] for ten years of youthful vigor. A few finance geniuses have managed to stay alive for a century or more...
[mortality] haunt[s] people—especially aging tyrants who fear that the icy hand of death is upon their shoulder and want far more time to ensure both national and personal glory.
Show me where Xi or Putin expressed fear of mortality. Better yet, show me where Xi or Putin expressed interest in extending their lifespan.
So in other words, "immortality" until the brain cancer is inoperable.
Seems deeply unlikely to work. The body only has so much capacity to heal from surgery, and that capacity diminishes with age, so eventually your surgeries would become too close together and you wouldn't ever fully heal. At that point you might end up happier as a brain in a jar.
Death from unnatural causes aside, there are so many potentially fatal complications involved with an organ transplant, and even if you dodge all those bullets, there is the simple fact that we degenerate at a cellular level. None of us are on this Earth for long: rich, poor, president or janitor, death will not discriminate.
It's really bad for the rich and powerful to forget that. Like partly for the people whose organs they'll steal, but also just like for their psyches. Like, they're clearly losing it.
Honestly even Rome (the republic) managed to be healthier about it. The element of the memento mori in the triumph, was just healthy. Sure you can have your great celebration honoring your conquest, but a slave will be following you reminding you that you too will die the entire time.
Yeah organ transplants are miraculous in the way medicine is miraculous not in the way religion is.
Medical miracles have limits and drawbacks. Organ transplants save lives and drastically improve quality of life, but it's compared to a baseline of needing a new organ. Kidney recipients would much rather deal with anti rejection meds than dialysis. Heart recipients' alternative is to die slowly.
Many rich people seem to think that shit like this will just replace their font of yang or something. They can't accept that someday all that will remain of them is dust and consequences.
Under the current system, which has a lot of built in false scarcity, it would mean a 20 year old would be fighting your 300 year old self for resources. In a world with more even distribution of resources maybe it could work temporarily but eventually humans would either need to stop reproducing or enough people would need to die of war or starvation to justify continued reproduction.
A system like this ultimately amounts to eugenics as only the "haves" will have access to immortality while the "have nots" perish naturally.
Desiring immortality is an inherently self centered mindset.
Real talk. Just to observe what this all turns into. Do we nuke ourselves then I just float in space slowly going insane cause I can't die. Or do we get Star Trek gay space communism, then I can leverage my seemingly invinciblity to go on deep space exploration missions, coming across the guys that turned themselves into sentient balls of energy and convince them to turn me into one too, then experience their culture for a few lifetimes before eventually becoming Q and fucking with other passing physical beings.
"zinger" in Dutch means singer. That would be funny. If Putin would get a singer brain and he quits his dictatorship and wars and just goes to sing at parties instead.
yeah this isn't WH 40K. You can't make a "Primaris Putin" and "continuous organ transplants" are only going to top you out at a few extra years, maybe, unless this fucker has somehow struck a deal with Nurgle or Khorne or some other Warp entity.
Now if his flesh starts bubbling and his intestines are suddenly on the outside of his body and he grows a maw on his shoulder? yeah then I'd start worrying.
I keep hearing people make this argument. This seems to presume that these insane blood thirsty dictators discussing immortality, are also rational individuals who wouldn't be willing to stockpile organs first, then die trying.
I look forward to Putin dying in agony as his body finally rejects itself entierly due to numerous transplants compounded with horrific co-infections due to all the imuno supressants he'd have to be after going throguh that many transplants. Guy is basically asking to be eaten alive by his own immune system.
Somebody else mentioned that they thought they were probably talking about growing organs targeted to match DNA, but then I remembered this article I saw earlier this summer.
I brushed it off bc of who was giving the testimony, but honestly this comment from Putin makes me question if there is some truth to that. If you were able to find a match with genetic similarities to yourself, it would decrease the chance of the organ being rejected. Idk could be just a random coincidence.
The accusations against China using re-education camps to harvest organs closely matched to the recipient aren't limited to only these kinds of organizations though. There was also this article released this past summer
“This massive expansion in Xinjiang – a region already under scrutiny for systematic repression – raises deeply troubling questions about where the organs will come from,” said Wendy Rogers, Distinguished Professor of Clinical Ethics and Chair of the International Advisory Board of the International Coalition to End Transplant Abuse in China (ETAC). “There is simply no justification for such growth in transplant capacity given the region’s official organ donation rate, which is far below the national average.”
This suggestion becomes even more concerning when considering the extensive surveillance and repression that Uyghurs face in the region. Detainees in the many internment camps in Xinjiang have reported being subjected to forced blood tests, ultrasounds, and organ-focused medical scans. These procedures align with organ compatibility testing, raising fears that Uyghurs are being prepped for organ harvesting while in detention.
Not to be confused with the Arizona Wendy Rogers who she unfortunately shares her name with, this lady is an Australian professor at Macquarie and bioethicist. She's been doing human rights work and publishing about this stuff for a long time
The IAB recognized Wendy Rogers, Professor of Clinical Ethics at Macquarie University, Australia for her role in the registered Australian charity, International Coalition to End Transplant Abuse In China (ETAC). Rogers serves as ETAC’s Director and chairs its International Advisory Committee. In that capacity, Rogers raised public, professional, and governmental awareness of forced organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience in China
This sounds like someone who doesn’t know about organ transplants. I learned about lung transplants recently and about half of people die within 5 years of getting one. Those who make it longer often having major issues like popcorn lung that force them to live limited lives due to the complications. They also require lots of medications to make your body not reject them. Those meds can be difficult to actually take if you also have other issues that require different courses of medication like infection or cancer.
Was there much starvation during apartheid? The footage I've seen shows people living in third-world conditions alongside first-world conditions for whites, but still getting enough to eat.
Yasemin Acar describes the drone that hovered over the Sumud Freedom Flotilla at midnight (Tuesday night/Wednesday morning) as a form of psychological warfa ...
reminder, there are no international laws or agreements banning aid from entering.
there are international laws allowing them to enter.
and any attack on the flotilla on international or Gazan waters is not only a serious war crime, but straight up high seas piracy.
It is mind blowingly insane that European countries, most of them NATO, are cool with a rogue genocidal national practicing high seas piracy in the Mediterranean.
This will never be anything other than an "alleged" drug trafficking boat. All they had to do in order to make this believable, was to capture the boat. Instead, they blew it up, along with all the evidence that would have proven their claims, and justified their presence there.
Why is it that everything the Trump administration does, is done in the sketchiest way possible? It's like they're going out of their way to prove they have no credibility.
I believe that's the same for every planet. And every moon. For every orbit.
Its just that the barycenter is inside the more massive object when one is much more massive than the other. Not that this makes much of a difference to anything.
This will be the first and last time I type or say anything even remotely close to the following in regards to this group: go tf off, my lds homies! Keep screaming til that salt lake shakes!
Well they were very against the current president as well but they all voted for him. I think the nature of being religious leads one too follow the leader. They have faith their leaders are not leading them into the abyss and this is all part of the great plan.
Domenica 7 settembre 2025, dalle ore 19, nuvole permettendo, presso il Podere Casanteria (via Canova 16, Faenza, tra Cosina e Pieve Corleto) in collaborazione con l'Associazione ACSÈ, osserveremo l'Eclissi Totale di Luna e le meraviglie del cielo di settembre, ad occhio nudo e con i binocoli e i telescopi del Gruppo Astrofili Faenza.
Ingresso libero e gratuito, prenotazione gradita ma non necessaria.
L'eclissi inizierà globalmente alle 17:28 con l'ingresso della Luna nella penombra della Terra, e alle 18:27 ci sarà l'ingresso in ombra, ma queste fasi non saranno visibili da Faenza, in quanto la Luna sarà ancora sotto l'orizzonte.
La fase di totalità (con la Luna completamente immersa nell'ombra della Terra) inizia alle 19:31, e in Italia la Luna sorgerà intorno a quell'ora.
In particolare, nella zona di Faenza, la Luna sorge intorno alle 19:34.
Bisogna considerare che il Sole a Faenza tramonta alle 19:37, per cui potrebbe non essere facile individuare il disco eclissato della Luna (rosso scuro e poco luminoso) tra le ultime luci del giorno. Prevediamo quindi che vedremo "comparire" in cielo la Luna eclissata mano a mano che si fa buio e il cielo diventa più scuro.
Alle 20:11 avremo il massimo dell'eclissi, alle 20:52 terminerà la totalità, e alle 21:56 la Luna uscirà completamente dall'ombra, ma sarà ancora in penombra fino alle 22:55.
Nonostante il caldo diurno, le temperature di notte possono ridursi notevolmente, specialmente in aperta campagna. Per passare una serata piacevole, si consiglia di portare qualcosa per coprirsi in caso di freddo.
::: spoiler the part of it about israel REESE: A different war, Israel, a March Pew Poll, found that 53% of surveyed U.S. adults had an unfavorable view of Israel, that’s down – or that is up from 42% in 2022. Among young Republicans under 50, 50% have an unfavorable view of Israel. That’s up from 35% in 2022. There’s a growing group within the MAGA, America First coalition, Republicans, especially younger Republicans, who are skeptical of our support for Israel. Are you aware of this group? Are you worried about it?
TRUMP: Yeah I’m aware of it. So, Israel is amazing, because, you know, I have good support from Israel. I have. Look, nobody has done more for Israel than I have, including the recent attacks with Iran, wiping that thing out. We, that plane, wiped them out like nobody ever saw before. You know, we got back and CNN was trying to say ‘well, maybe it wasn’t complete,’ and it turned out totally complete, beyond complete. But when, if you go back 20 years. I mean, I will tell you, Israel had the strongest lobby in Congress of anything or body, or of any company or corporation or state that I’ve ever seen. Israel was the strongest. Today, it doesn’t have that strong a lobby. It’s amazing.
There was a time where you couldn’t speak bad, if you wanted to be a politician, you couldn’t speak badly. But today, you have, you know, AOC plus three, and you have all these lunatics, and they’ve really, they’ve changed it. You’re too young to know this, but if you go back 15 years, probably that’s when it started, right. Israel, you would understand this very much, Israel was the strongest lobby I’ve ever seen. They had total control over Congress, and now they don’t, you know, I’m a little surprised to see that. And people, they forgot about October 7th. You know, October 7th was a truly horrible day, because I’ve seen the pictures.
REESE: I was just over in Israel, and we went right up to the war where you could hear the bombs dropping in Gaza. And we went to the places from October 7th. Scary. Being in it. I understand —
TRUMP: It was a really bad one, right?
REESE: Yeah.
TRUMP: And you know, you have people that deny it ever happened, they’re deniers. You have people that deny the Holocaust ever happened. So, they’re gonna have to get that war over with. But it is hurting Israel. There’s no question about it. They may be winning the war, but they’re not winning the world of public relations, you know, and it is hurting them. But Israel was the strongest lobby 15 years ago that there has ever been, and now it’s, it’s been hurt, especially in Congress. :::
The Daily Caller's White House correspondent Reagan Reese interviewed President Donald Trump for an hour in the Oval Office. This is the full transcript.
It's not huge, but it's substantial and certainly an improvement.
Last time the House stalled Biden went around them breaking multiple US and international laws. trump won't do that unless Israel pays him personally a lot of money
So trump actually is right here, Israel lost total control over US Congress. Having a sitting president willing to circumvent Congress to provide arms for a genocide is pretty "total", and they no longer have that.
It wasn’t a single issue vote or Congress would have just approved it.
It also didn’t break U.S. laws, it’s the bullshit emergency bypass that Trump keeps doing for everything
And then you say that Trump won’t do it unless Israel pays him but the way he is behaving makes it seem like they are considering he is taking funding from school over not crushing pro Palestine protests and is calling it anti semitism
Biden fucking sucked for the people of Gaza but it’s only gotten worse since Trump was made president
Israel has prez compromised, his payment is them not showing the videos of him banging underage girls. Russia may have some of it now too, and the prez's own fixers have leaked info from justice in first term to add to his lifelong collection of blackmail.
Our polits are compromised every which way. The snake eating it's own tail, and yes it is a viper in the nest.
They are probably involved. Maxwells father had known ties with Mossad, a former Israeli prime minister had lived at Epsteins place for a couple weeks and raped children with him. Recently the head of Israeli cybersecurity tried to groom a minor to rape her in Las Vegas...
Epstein used to take private jet flights with israeli spy chiefs to israel and back, it is not much of a secret anymore, even the reactionary right realize it now.
The two subjects are one and the same. Epstein was an Israeli honeypot. But that is surely the tip of the iceberg. Our own intelligence agencies presumably helped them too.
The transcript. You know, it's the best transcript in human history, i just saw it yesterday. And my administration, they tell me they've never seen such a great transcript. Truly marvellous. I've probably created the best transcript in history.
The Labour Party could have made the case for a humane immigration system that treats refugees with dignity. Instead it has fanned the flames of racism and emboldened the far right.
How very sad it is that Corbyn was ousted as leader for making the case for Palestinian rights too early. Now look at what the current ruling Labour party is doing.
He's one of the most honest, straight talking and unpretentious politicians I've ever seen. It's a real shame the UK missed its chance to change direction with him.
Unpretentious? There was a chance to stop hard Brexit, and the opposition parties called a meeting to organise it. Corbyn flounced out of the room in a huff because some independents were invited. The vote passed. That’s pretentiousness.
This is a very weird framing of what I understand was a refusal to join a meeting in Jan 2018, which was organised by SNP and had no government presence. He never went in the room at all, so the "flounced out in a huff" appears to be complete fiction.
I personally don't think that one meeting, containing small parties that were not in power, had any meaningful effect on the proposed deal with the EU, which was still being discussed up until 2020.
I don't think letting asylum seekers work would make a blind bit of difference. The right just don't want them here at all. They want them to stop coming, not let them continue coming but then working. The right will just complain that they're taking people's jobs.
I'd be curious what approach Corbyn's policy would be on this.
I don't think letting asylum seekers work would make a blind bit of difference.
It would because if they can work and become productive members of society, the real issues fueling rightwing bigotry would be lessened. Of course the already bigoted will want them gone, but the right relies on issues like crime and the budget to spread.
The right will just complain that they're taking people's jobs.
True, which is why a comprehensive leftwing program is necessary to facilitate job creation and provide safety nets for those who fall through the cracks.
As long as they keep seeing x number of immigrants arriving each day, they'll keep voting far right. They just want them to stop, I think they've been clear on that. They want a party who says what they want to hear (I doubt Reform would be able to do anything about it).
I think the reason why asylum seekers aren't allowed to work is because the stay is supposed to be strictly temporary. They're supposed to return home when things are safe. Letting them work would probably make it less likely they're going to return home if they start settling. I can't see that being a popular policy as they'll see it making the UK more inviting (either way it's the wrong move as they'll just complain they're on benefits).
Again, my point isn't that addressing issues related to immigration would make bigoted people not bigoted; it's that doing so would curb the far right's ability to expand. By delivering material gains for the working class and leading by example, it's possible to inoculate the wider electorate against the far right (and the right in general). Immigrants are only one scapegoat in a long line of scapegoats; the real mechanism behind the spread of rightwing ideas is that they provide something to scapegoat for people's (very real) troubles. Put another way, Hitler didn't need immigrants.
China's harvesting of detainees' organs serves a booming transplant trade that is worth some $1 billion a year, according to an international tribunal.
Putin's good friend and fellow enjoyer of underage kids Berlusconi also had great faith in organ transplanting to live forever. Leukemia decided not to care about his opinion tho.
The fact that they are serious just shows how dumb they really are. We are not even close to that. The stress from that many transplants would probably reduce life expectancy. But let's just imagine it works, you would still have to deal with brain degeneration and dementia. These are not serious people. Can we please stop allowing arrogant psychopaths to take top positions of power
Yup. The elderly generally do not do well with: 1. Major surgery 2. Immunosuppression
And they're asking for repeated episodes of 1 and possibly 75 years of 2. I'd be all for letting them slowly kill themselves this way if it weren't for the fact that every organ they use is an organ that could've been given to someone who actually needs it.
Your phrasing of "allowing" implies that these guys are in power through some sort of legitimate electoral process. They're both dictators, who claimed power through force and intimidation. There's no "let" about it, nor any "say" in the situation from people at large.
Just because dictators demand to be called by western elected official terminology in translations to english media, doesn't make them same animal. It's propaganda meant to normalize their rule.
Every country is a democracy in a sense. Its just a matter of the amount of effort needed for the people to make their voices heard. Under dictatorships, to make your voices heard, it usually requires a significant threat of violence. Its much more stable in the long term to just have elections. Not fighting for a better government is, in a sense, allowing that dictatorship to continue.
Right, by that reasoning the people of Gaza are willingly allowing themselves to be genocided. They should just rise up and declare a democracy in the region.
That's a little bit of a different issue. Not so much a dictator taking power from within but an invading neighbor. My appeal would be to the Israelis. Netanyahu should have been gone a long time ago. If I remember right he was under a lot of pressure before Oct 7.
To me it seems naive to think that the disparity between the people of Gaza, and the people of Israel, is not dissimilar to the wealth inequality of the poor, and the rich. People seem to gloss over how modern western democracies generally got going -- through violent revolutions with lots of dead rich people. And those movements were often seeded by essentially the middle class military, who the rich had paid to outfit with the intent that they'd carry out the upper class's orders. People like Cromwell didn't exactly wake up one day, and just happen to trip across a bunch of Cannons to point at the British royalty. Until there'd been that blunder from the nobility giving the military too much autonomy, coupled with the advent of Canons, the ability for regular peasants to rise up against the nobility and their goon squads was pretty fuckin limited. For such a revolutionary figure to emerge from a poor, downtrodden and financially bereft area such as Gaza, would just be highly improbable.
Like China hired gangs of thugs with bats to beat the shit out of Democratic advocates during the crack down in Hong Kong, and has taken out bounties on people living abroad who advocate too vocally for human rights in the region. You can't realistically look at what went on there, in my view, and say that the people didn't try really hard to maintain their civil liberties -- but were beaten down quite explicitly by force and the sheer scale of resources available to the CCP. Yes, if there was some mass uprising all across the country they could spontaneously change their systems of governance -- but that's practically unheard of in real world countries of note in modern times. Taking a more realistic view of the situation doesn't make it any better, in that things will most likely continue to suck for most people, but it at least sets more reasonable expectations.
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here, but yes there are lots of oppressed people all over the world. There are lots of people fighting for a better world. I just meant to plead to the ones who are not. Authoritarians have power because a not insignificant amount of people support or at least tolerate them. I used to think that everyone could agree that anyone who wants to be a dictator should be held far away from positions of power, but now there are too many people that tolerate it when their leaders go too far.
Have they ever met someone trying to live with an organ transplant? It's not like swapping out parts for a machine. Your immune system is permanently suppressed to prevent rejection so you are at risk for so many other problems, and even if you don't reject the organ, you will need another replacement eventually.
It's disturbing when you hear the idiot techbro billionaires fantasizing about engineering their own immortality, but it's really disappointing that the most powerful world leaders are also this detached from reality. All the most powerful people are utterly delusional sociopaths.
Honestly it's great to know they're struggling with their inevitable deaths. Got to sting a bit. They're headed for the same dirt they've sent so many people to.
They have a child's understanding of the concepts... which is not particularly surprising, you don't get to be a dictator by being well-educated, in fact it almost requires being shut off from as much knowledge as possible. They tend to be unable to hear the truth and basically force their underlings to gaslight them.
leaders of two of the world's most technologically prominent countries muse on the prospects of transhumanism in front of a crowd of dozens
rabid disapproval from liberals who claim that Putin and Xi got caught on a hot mic wanting to live forever so they can rule eternally or something, idk
Seriously, the reading comprehension is abysmal in this thread. Can someone show me where Putin or Xi said they personally wished to live to 150?
Not even remotely related to the part I quoted and laughed at, but I'll humour you.
It's called deduction, you just need to use that gray matter of yours. Two, rather old, psychopaths muse about extending one's lifetime. Could it be that they themselves have a vested interest in this? No, that must be a conspiracy theory by filthy liberals.
Not even remotely related to the part I quoted and laughed at, but I'll humour you
So how does a claim regarding Russia's technological capabilities relate to my original comment? The only person being humoured here is you.
The way the healthy skepticism just leaves the liberal mind once a state department hit pieces comes out is laughable. You have been effortlessly oriented. Yall just eat this shit up. "Deduction"... lmao.
Again, maybe one day show me where Putin or Xi expressed interest in extending their lifespan. You won't.
My original claim was that in none of these articles is there any evidence of Putin or Xi expressing interesting in extending their lifespan.
It's a claim you still have yet to disprove, btw.
Claiming that Russia is not technologically advanced is a nonsequiter. Refusing to engage with a nonsequiter is not underhanded. And you're not humouring anyone by backing down from your attempt to turn this conversation into one about Russia's technological capabilities. You're just backpedaling.
Again, please show me where Putin or Xi expressed interest in extending their lives.
Old farts should sit in care homes, not ruling nations. Term limits and the same age cutoff as the regular blue collar worker and then go paint bad pictures on your ranch like W Bush.
I didn't think I'd ever get a very opinion of the latter, but here we go.
I don't object to old farts ruling nations. If they're elected or otherwise democratically chosen, so be it. It's just that there should be a term limit for everyone. 5 to 10 years top then you're out.
I think there's a difference between the problems with leading a nation stemming from the natural ails of very old age versus what minority someone was born as.
Putin strikes me as the kind of guy who would have some clones grown in the comfort of their blissful ignorance to harvest as spare parts in case of an emergency the great leader finds himself in. 🤷
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The initial installer is a 128 MB MSI file that mimics the legitimate GitHub Desktop installer but contains over 100 dummy executables to inflate size and evade sandbox limits.
The installer employs a GPU‑gated decryption routine: an OpenCL™ kernel derives the AES key only on machines with a real GPU, whose device name is at least ten characters long, causing the payload to remain encrypted in headless analysis environments. (A headless environment is where the front-end or user interface of an application (the “head”) has been decoupled from the back-end services, allowing each to be developed and operated separately.)
The GPU-based decryption mechanism suggests the attackers are targeting systems with specific hardware configurations, potentially focusing on users involved in development, gaming, or cryptocurrency mining activities.
- Campaign Goals: We believe the goal of this campaign was to gain initial access to organizations for the purposes of malicious activity such as credential theft, infostealing and ransomware deployment, by misleading IT workers (who often have higher level of network access) into downloading malware while attempting to install GitHub Desktop. - Geography and Industries Targeted: The campaign we observed targeted users in Western Europe, in the Information Technology industry. - Attribution: The threat actors behind this campaign have native Russian language proficiency, as demonstrated by PowerShell script comments written in Russian. :::
a threat actor leveraged GitHub’s repository structure together with paid placements on Google Ads to funnel users toward a malicious download hosted on a lookalike domain. By embedding a commit‑specific link in the advertisement, the attackers made the download appear to originate from an official source, effectively sidestepping typical user scrutiny
The delivered malware is unique: the bloated 128 MB Microsoft Software Installer (MSI) evades most existing security sandboxes, while a Graphics Processing Unit (GPU)-gated decryption routine keeps the payload encrypted on systems without a real GPU. We have called this new attack technique “GPUGate”.
Arctic Wolf has uncovered a sophisticated delivery chain: a threat actor abused GitHub’s repository structure and Google Ads to redirect users to a malicious download, while a GPU-gated decryption routine keeps the payload encrypted on systems withou…
Belgium will join France in recognizing a Palestinian state at the upcoming UN General Assembly session in New York this month, the country’s foreign minister announced on 2 September.
Zionism is a political, legal, moral, economical and social liability. If they won't stop supporting it, because that is the legal and moral thing to do, then they need to suffer consequences that make them stop supporting Zionism.
Belgian here. Their wording is confusing and I’ve been trying to figure out how much of it is meaningful.
They tacked on a precondition to them recognizing Palestine: Hamas must give up power. I don’t see that condition being met faster than Israel can flatten what remains of Gaza and force its population out – which in turn only creates more suffering and anger for the militant recruit pipeline.
The sanctions mostly concern boycotts on products produced in occupied regions. Fuck that – boycott all trade with Israel.
Our rightwing prime minister is on record saying that the whole debate was annoyingly motivated by ‘morality’ and that he’s glad the government (an uneasy coalition) can move on to more important matters. Downright shameful.
Come protest this Sunday in Brussels. Last one was attended by 100k demonstrators. Was a fun afternoon. More info at 11.be
Whitout doubting what you say, from this last tweet it looks like the narrative (at least in this instance) has shifted? In the sense that this text seems pretty clear to me.
No matter what, I hope the protest goes incredibly well!!
Honestly, recognition is worthless. The sanctions on the West Bank settlement goods are all that matters and that is huge. Good job on that (if actually implemented).
How the world’s largest encyclopedia became the factual foundation of the web, but now it’s under attack from the right wing, tech billionaires, and AI.
Is it paywalled in some countries? I saw the article when it first went up and it was paywalled then — The Verge restricts new articles to paid subscribers. But after an hour or two it went free to read and the link is fine now. At least from my machine in my location — can't speak for others and the Archive link is definitely welcome.
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Thanks for encouraging to read the whole thing. That is a loooong article! But a great informative read. Took me a couple of sittings to read it all properly, well worth it!
I had no idea about so many of the challenges they’ve gone through & seemingly managed to fight back so many attempts to control & mask the content on more volatile subjects. Always had a lot of respect for the editors, but even more so now.
I do donate a small amount to them once or twice a year. I think I will try to increase my donations going forward knowing it might help with some of their legal fights.
Knowledge really is power, & we all deserve access to true knowledge, more now than ever it seems.
Lots of it is still pretty shit, but that's what happens when you have an entry on incredibly obscure things where there's not a lot of sources information.
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1: You can easily disable JavaScript and still browse Wikipedia without any issue. This also removes all banners, which I assume is what I mean by "ads", which on Wikipedia only appear from time to time and advertise WMF events and donations.
2 and 3: Your IP address is deleted after 3 months, and there's nothing people can do to you just for reading Wikipedia either. Just visiting Wikipedia's servers carries no risk. The exception is if you edit courts could get your personal information when the WMF loses a case, but you can't edit using an open proxy like Wikiless either (because if they allowed you to edit, it would be also be easy for banned editors to edit).
I hate to say it, but I don't think Wikipedia is as neutral or as open as it claims to be. Some of the article comments talk about there definitely being some bias against anonymous editors, even if they're correct.
I'm not sure if it was in that article or in another comment section, but someone said after Elon Musk did the Nazi salute at Trump's event, an anonymous user mentioned it and there was a big controversy. And a registered user took it down and berated them for it, and another registered user came along an added the salute info back in and it was fine. Or something like that.
I definitely still think Wikipedia is a net good. But it seems to me any time you have a centralised source of information, a small group of people will fight to control the narrative so they can spin it any which way they want. For example, on Reddit, my favorite band's unofficial subreddit is run by a guy who bans any fan cams of the events — unless they're his. So obviously he does fan cams so he can make ad money on YouTube, but he uses Reddit to block those of others to direct the traffic to his. I think Fandom (the shitty wiki site with all the ads) run a lot of gaming communities, again, to drive ad revenue. Lot of that shit going on. I mean, if they tried that on Lemmy, someone could just open a community on another instance and the users could then decide who they want to support.
Is Wikipedia susceptible to that kind of influence? Of course it is. And I worry about it being taken over by the wrong people. I don't think that has happened yet, but I've seen it happen on other sites.
To be clear, we should definitely support Wikipedia against the alt right, but we should also be cautious that they, and other bad actors, don't destroy its credibility from within. Yes, the alt right has their own Wikipedia (Conservapedia or something like that) but that's not good enough, they want ours to be theirs, too.
Wikipedia has mountains of useful information, but it is limited and censored when it comes to "controversial" and dissident information, due to it being the status quo and the establishment.
It is known the three-letter agencies have a lot of power controlling and censoring information in media and social media; this includes Wikipedia.
We should always question and be highly critical of these types of organizations and groups, similar to anything politicians and the military spew out.
Thanks for your informative comment; it seems many don't know or care to question status quo sources and establishment organizations.
Whistleblowers and independent journalists have spoken about this for many years.
I don't see that in the comments and the article said user PickleG13 was the first person to add the salute information. You can also just go check at the Elon Musk article.
did that squabble include moderators or was it just some users? anything will have issues especially on that large of a scale and the 'hand wave vs nazi salute' was debated for the first few days when it happened (though it's an utterly BS argument when looking at his history)
For your Lemmy example of just opening a community on another instance, is that really any different than on Reddit opening a new sub with a different name? You just need subscribers to migrate, or at least add your sub.
So on Reddit, the people who run the iPhone subs have iPhone 17, iPhone 18, iPhone 19, and so on registered and they're squatting on them until they become useful. Or Fallout 3, Fallout 4, Fallout 5, Fallout 6... Now what some people have done is add a word. Like you have the "Cyberpunk" sub and "Low Sodium Cyberpunk." That works. Or like you have Atheism, and you have RealAtheism. So you can put a word on it, or something like that. But you'll never be able to be the "original" because a small group of people control those.
Now with Lemmy, those same people will just make those communities on the biggest Lemmy instance, but they won't do it on all of them. I use Divisions by Zero, which leans a little further left than some of the others, it's more of a fringe instance I guess? They're probably not gonna target that. So if someone made a community and tried to divert views to their videos for profit like I said in my example, I could make a community with the exact same name on this instance. The other community probably wouldn't let me advertise it there. I could do it once and get banned and maybe get a couple people to join both, at least, but I could promote it on neutral ground, and people could decide who they want to support. Because of federation, even if you aren't on db0, you can still subscribe to a community hosted on it. Like this community is on lemmy.world and I'm subscribed to it and freely commenting on it (at least until/if lemmy.world decides to defederate the instance I'm on — they have that right and ability. But I could make an account on their instance or one that is federated with them. And that's kosher as far as I know, as long as I myself am following the rules of the instances I post on.
I’m not sure if it was in that article or in another comment section, but someone said
a small group of people will fight to control the narrative so they can spin it any which way they want.
Your source for your broad categorization and claims seems incredibly weak. "Someone said, somewhere, I'm not sure where I read it, though."
Wikipedia tracks anonymous contributions, too. You could check the Article and Article Discussion pages histories before making these claims, and before concluding from one comment that Wikipedia has the same systematic issues like Reddit or other closed-group moderated platforms.
As far as I see it, Wikipedia has a different depth and transparency on guidelines, requirements, open discussion, and actions. It has a lot of additional safeguards compared to something like Reddit. Admins are elected, not "first-come".
What I find much more plausible than "they didn't want to accept an anonymous contribution" is that the anonymous contributor may not have adequately sourced their claims and contributions. Even if they did, I find it much more likely that it may have been removed, then a discussion was done in the page discussion, and then it was added back.
Of course, instead of theorizing what happened in that case I could have checked Wikipedia too. But I also want to make a point about my general and systematic expectation of how Wikipedia works, which other platforms do not have.
Good science is boring, good politics is boring, good espionage is boring, good journalism is boring, good history is boring, good banking is boring, good business is boring. Entertainment serves us this pop view of the world...
But wikipedia is more valuable than all the LLM slop machines combined.
This is so true. These systems that provide the foundation to our daily existence should be all boing, because they should be always working well and never surprise us.
Then everybody would get the chance and energy to pursue excitement in their life’s meaningful parts: having interesting conversations with friends, passionate relationships with their partner, or finding excitement anywhere from horror movies to skydiving.
WMF has been headquartered in San Francisco since 2007, with chapters and data centers around the world. Not that California's in the US, but much better than Florida.
No, you don't get it, the US has so excelled in pitting others against each other to emerge as one victor, than it's bringing the thing home. So you are going to weaken yourselves by making a quarreling mess of the old system, then it imploding and some nominally democratic and free new system taking over. Probably simultaneously trying to nuke half of the rest of the world.
I’m not Russian at all and I want to separate because all I get from the federal union is taxation without representation. I’m tired of subsidizing failed religious extremists. It’s abundantly clear that there is no rule of law at the federal level, and I would sooner die than bend the knee to a king.
Edit: and our homegrown Russian asset Jill Stein has never once mentioned balkanization. I just don’t believe your accusation, it doesn’t seem to be based in reality.
As a Russian, honestly these are all sorts of shit with no practical difference for us.
Except for Alaska, some people think it shouldn't have been sold. And 0.7 mln total population is (far) less than Crimea.
That aside, a confederacy (I guess some other word would be better) of the old US and some more autonomous things, like, for example, California, would possibly be a stabilizer.
Sincere question as a foreigner, is there any basis to this "Jill Stein is a Russian asset" thing other than the nature of FPTP voting resulting in the royally fucked-up US two-party system?
Very much yes, we literally do not have laws restricting “donations” and “fundraising” for politicians here. I say this as someone who (embarrassingly) voted for her when I was young and uninformed many many years ago because I liked the headlines her party platform pushed. I am not sober enough to spam you with news articles at the moment but please feel free to bug me again tomorrow. If you do some of your own reading please tell me where you heard it and I will provide context as well.
There's been a number of news coverages of this. It's not like it's the biggest operation or anything but they have been trying to plant that seed intentionally.
I think they's perfectly understandable and their links directly discuss Russia funding Californian separatism. The only error's pluralizing "coverage".
Lol. I just have a writing style that I use. It can be considered eclectic with a mix of various influences. The pluralized word is a buffy "whedonesque" influence.
But the point is that Russia has been running alternative warfare efforts and cyber stuff for a long time. They stoke various movements and invent ideas and spread them with bots and shills. Basically anything that strengthens Russian imperialism and weakens or fractures NATO.
“One of the things I really love about Wikipedia is it forces you to have measured, emotionless conversations with people you disagree with in the name of trying to construct the accurate narrative,”
Yeah, I think what makes Wikipedia resilient is that you can’t just go there and say something subjective. You need to find the correct way to state the actual fact, even when it can have different interpretations. Cause that way, no group can contest it.
Oh no, I once had an article I contributed removed for exactly that, notability. Not sourcing or lack thereof. That was also the last time I ever contributed, obviously.
It didn't help that a couple years later somebody else decided it was notable after all and created the article.
Notability is sourcing: Articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. They even made a catchy name for it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedi… (well they borrowed it but you catch my drift). Even if every single claim is Verifiable, it will be deleted if there aren't enough secondary (independent of the topic) sources because it's dangerous and likely non-neutral to only hear the subject's view of themselves. Confusing Notability with something else is a pretty common pitfall for new article creators, so there's things like "Articles for creation" where you can submit article drafts for review and have conversations with the reviewer on what exactly is wrong with your article, as well as many other guides and forums like Help:Your first article, WP:Teahouse, and WP:Help desk.
It didn't help that a couple years later somebody else decided it was notable after all and created the article.
The essay en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedi… is often cited to say "This might get the needed sourcing in a few years, but right no we can't tell, so it's better to create the article again when it has what's needed to align with our content guidelines rather than rush to make a misleading one right now." So either that's exactly what your situation was, or . I'd love to take a look at the article you're talking about.
It was about Leeroy Jenkins. Yes, I'm old. No, it wasn't about reliable sources or neutrality. It was literally because a bunch of folk decided it wasn't important enough to be immortalised in Wikipedia. It was very much reflective of the bias of the editors at the time.
Ooh, creating that article's a lifetime achievement!
Looking at the deletion discussion, I see why you would think everyone only looked at the fame, but none of the article's citations such as "Leeroy/Mortal Kombat Techno Remix" could've shown that it was actually a meme beyond someone's personal character. One editor mentioned hardly finding any Leeroy Jenkins results from Google back then, let alone reliable sources. I have to admit there were definitely some !votes that didn't look for sourcing, though It doesn't help that the article did look like something some random guy created for their OC:
Comically offsetting his ham-handed actions, which led directly to the disgraceful slaughter of his entire group, Leeroy is shown with exhibiting machismo [...]
Anyways, just five months later a year-old editor with just over 200 edits made a draft with plenty of good sourcing and took it to WP:DeletionReview, and everyone agreed it was notable enoug.
As of 7 September 2025, there are 7,052,247 articles in the English Wikipedia containing over 4.9 billion words (giving a mean of about 706 words per article). The total number of pages is 63,983,130. Articles make up 11.02 percent of all pages on Wikipedia. As of 16 October 2024, the size of the current version including all articles compressed is about 24.05 GB without media. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedi…
The following graphic illustrates how large the English Wikipedia might be if the articles (without images and other multimedia content) were to be printed and bound in book form with a format similar to Encyclopædia Britannica. Each volume is assumed to be 25 cm (9.8 in) tall, 5 cm (2.0 in) thick, and containing 1,600,000 words or 8,000,000 characters. The size of this illustration is based upon the live article count manually adjusted by the average word count on an irregular basis on a user subpage of the graphic's creator Tompw. The growth rate is approximately one full volume every three days if the increase in average article size isn't accounted for over time. The print volumes as shown in the illustration would take up just over 9.34 m3 (330 cu ft) in total volume.
downloading it is fine but i think the contents of wikipedia are so thoroughly archived that i doubt it is in danger of becoming "lost media".
my fear isn't that the information would be destroyed, but that the ongoing project of keeping the knowledge up to date would stop, or be split across some underground efforts with varying quality standards.
I agree here. I'm looking forward to playing these games myself, but I didn't even consider it being a possible spoiler before the other person mentioned it.
Individually, not much. Journalism as a profession, however, has been not so slowly transitioning to sensationalism in lieu of a "just the facts, folks" methodology. Thats what I call living on drama.
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Soldiers shouldn't march in unison like that. If you were a smart adversary you could just shoot like 30 of them with a single bullet. Just an observation.
Beijing landmark = Tianmen Square. They're mocking democracy as our "king" wears orange paint instead of clothes. They're telling the world that democracy will always devolve into fascism and Nazism. They highlight the nature of man to always seek absolute power while ignoring their role in tipping the USA into madness from afar. It is imperative that we stop the madness in the USA and prove them wrong. The battle has always been democracy vs authoritarianism. They've played us as the right is preoccupied with infantile notions of good versus evil and the left doing the same thing with capitalism versus socialism.
So is the endgame for Ukraine to acquire underground nukes? Honestly that might be the only way to really force a standoff and de-escalation. I wouldn't blame them at all, since they were betrayed after giving up the ones they originally had.
They should be. Russia would have never set a toe in Ukraine if they kept the nukes, and the fuckery of Russia invading and the 'civilized world' sitting around with thumbs up their asses since 2014 seems like proof that having nuclear weapons is a prerequisite to maintaining sovereignty
Some people are getting very very rich from the ongoing war. There are now definitely strong forces at play to keep it going as long as possible, without a victory for any side.
I can’t blame them for wanting it, but let’s not go there.
Reducing the number of countries with nukes was and still is a good idea. Everyone seems to think that MAD was a reasonable strategy because we muddled through without ending civilization. It is not. It is not foregone. It is not likely. It is way too big a risk for all of civilization.
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Action is the first brought under the Act, which ensures consumers can report suspicious activity to online marketplaces and contact major third party sellers
It supports the thesis that Lumo is not open source in many common sense ways that most people would expect when a model claims it is open source. So in that sense, it does though.
In the 1 September update they state they found that web client and a mobile client as well, but not the API (I guess) containing the system prompt and the actual routing to the models.
TLDR: Apps are open, models are open weight but you don't know which one you get, and they have not yet disclosed any tweaks they may have made (although for me, it never sounded like they actually tweak the models all too much)
It get worse, and the model weights is a bit inaccurate with the Sept update:
The only open source code we have found is for the Lumo mobile and web apps. Proton calling the Lumo AI assistant open source based on that is a bit like Microsoft calling Windows open source just because there's a github repository for Windows Terminal.
The models listed on Lumo's privacy policy page are "Nemo, OpenHands 32B, OLMO 2 32B, and Mistral Small 3". OpenHands is a QWEN fine-tune, and Nemo and Mistral Small are both Mistral models. Since Proton has open-sourced neither the Lumo system prompt nor the mysterious routing methods that decide which model will handle your query, you never know what you are going to get.
So if the server isn't open source, and the server does all the work, this system is simply not Open Source.
Prominent women including cultural figures, politicians and campaigners have signed a letter criticising rightwing attempts to link sexual violence in Britain to asylum seekers.
Signatories include the musicians Paloma Faith, Charlotte Church and Anoushka Shankar as well as Labour, Green and independent MPs including Kim Johnson, Ellie Chowns, Diane Abbott and Zarah Sultana.
"We reject the far right’s racist lies about ‘protecting’ women and girls. They are not defenders of women – they exploit violence against women to fuel hate and division,” the letter says.
The open letter, titled Women Against the Far Right, follows a surge in protests outside accommodation housing asylum seekers and far-right attempts to exploit a number of cases of alleged sexual crimes involving asylum seekers.
Signed by; Leftist women from good neighbourhoods.
Signatories include the musicians Paloma Faith, Charlotte Church and Anoushka Shankar as well as Labour, Green and independent MPs including Kim Johnson, Ellie Chowns, Diane Abbott and Zarah Sultana.
So you believe the world is a monoculture? That the entire world shares the same views of sex and gender relations, the same crime statistics everywhere, the same milquetoast liberal mindsets are held across all lands...
...and saying otherwise is "prejudice".
Or basically you think the studies are wrong, and that the "behavioural barriers" mentioned in those studies are just a product of Westerns judging the crimes too harshly:
All issues are class issues, and they only become subject to rightwing populism when ruling leftist elites CHOOSE to disconnect from working class realities in favour of elitism and denial.
Your prejudice is the erasure of all cultural and economic differences. That's the prejudice you're practicing.
(1) Background: Sexual violence (SV) is a major public health problem, with negative socio-economic, physical, mental, sexual, and reproductive health consequences. Migrants, applicants for international protection, and refugees (MARs) are ...
You are clearly defending a prejudice viewpoint. Go on with your bad self, or what the fuck ever. But you can right fuck off with putting words in my mouth to justify your bullshit.
Just so we're clear, those are all your words, your arguments, your bullshit.
Now you're playing rehortorical games rather than responding with an argument.
That's rich coming from someone who's literally spewing xenophobic and politically tribal stereotypes about "good neighborhoods" and "left wing elites" in response to a simple objection to racist demagoguery.
Your studies demonstrate the fact that immigrants are much more likely to be the VICTIMS of sexual violence than native born people, which does NOT justify the "immigrants are coming to rape our women" hate speech that the women in the article are objecting to.
You've just thrown RACE into the conversation here, I said it was cultural and socioeconomic.
How are studies tribalism? Also I'm a leftist, I'm just also aware there are out of touch leftwing elites (writing denialist letters in this case).
Your studies demonstrate the fact that immigrants are much more likely to be the VICTIMS of sexual violence than native born people
No one said otherwise! Sorry, what's your argument? That it doesn't count as rape if immigrant men rape immigrant women? That's disgusting dude.
No asshole, of course that still counts as rape. Of course that's part of the higher amounts of SA and SV in those communities. I don't know why you needed to be shown studies to admit that.
Of course leftist elites aren't going to recognize that, and are going to try to pretend it's not true - like you were doing.
I take it you're no longer claiming it's "just prejudice" to point this stuff out? That you see a problem with not addressing increased rape stats now - and that not addressing and contextualizing gives the far right something to gripe about?
At least admit that much. I'm so sick of leftwingers denying problems. It's a politics of willful blindness and denialism sometimes. Easy to do for professionals at the top end of town.
Your studies demonstrate the fact that immigrants are much more likely to be the VICTIMS of sexual violence than native born people
No one said otherwise! Sorry, what's your argument? That it doesn't count as rape if immigrant men rape immigrant women? That's disgusting dude.
No, that's asinine. My point is that the anti-immigant rhetoric has nothing to do with protecting immigrants from being raped and everything to do with falsely portraying immigrant men as inherently likely to commit rape.
No asshole, of course that still counts as rape
I didn't say or even imply anything to the contrary. You can pack away your weird strawman now.
Of course that's part of the higher amounts of SA and SV in those communities.
Immigrant women being victims ≠ immigrant men being the perpetrators. To imply that immigration leads to rape is like implying that black people existing leads to killer cops.
I don't know why you needed to be shown studies to admit that
I didn't. In fact, I never suggested otherwise, see above.
Of course leftist elites aren't going to recognize that, and are going to try to pretend it's not true - like you were doing.
Again, that's not what's happening here.
The “leftist elites" are objecting to demagogues exploiting the very real problem of sexual violence against women (of which none of them nor I have denied that immigrant women are disproportionately the victims) as a way to further demonize and persecute immigrants.
I take it you're no longer claiming it's "just prejudice" to point this stuff out
Prejudice, conflating victims and perpetrators, or both. Take your pick.
That you see a problem with not addressing increased rape stats now
Nobody's arguing for doing that.
not addressing and contextualizing gives the far right something to gripe about?
That's the POINT: the far right are putting it in a false context for their own disinformation campaigns and you're doing something similar for different reasons.
Meanwhile, the "leftist elites" are simply saying that demonizing and scapegoating immigrants doesn't help any victims and is MUCH more likely to cause MORE immigrants to be assaulted by native born people who are taught to dehumanize them.
I'm so sick of leftwingers denying problems.
Saying that the fascists are blaming the wrong people is not denying that there are problems.
It's a politics of willful blindness and denialism
Nobody's denying anything. At least none of the people you're accusing of it are.
I don't think you being reactionary to a far-right whose not present here, or the letter writers trying to preach to the far-right from a "corrective left" perspective of professionals in the top end of town works.
It's hot air. The far-right aren't going to read the edicts past down from on high and see the error of their ways. It's a totally pipe dream leftism that assumes "being a scold" does anything but push people right.
I mean take yourself - you couldn't even handle my original comment pointing that out. Look at all the time we've wasted here just because you had an "I've detected prejudice" error.
This is just all the stuff the left gets wrong, that feeds into the far-right populism. We need an alternative ti being scolds.
I don't think you being reactionary to a far-right whose not present here, or the letter writers trying to preach to the far-right from a "corrective left" perspective of professionals in the top end of town works.
Good thing that none of that is happening, then.
It's hot air
Back to the self-description, I see.
The far-right aren't going to read the edicts past down from on high and see the error of their ways
Public figures tend to react to media pressure and other public figures taking a public stand tends to create such pressure. This is politics 101 stuff.
It's a totally pipe dream leftism that assumes "being a scold" does anything but push people right.
So what do you suggest, then? Never speaking up about harmful lies and the suffering they cause? Because that's DEFINITELY not going to convince anyone.
I mean take yourself - you couldn't even handle my original comment pointing that out.
Again with the ridiculous strawmen. You were wrong and I pointed it out. The only one unable to "handle" anything seems to be yourself.
Look at all the time we've wasted here just because you had an "I've detected prejudice" error.
Again, not the case. It doesn't say anything good about your point that you need to keep insisting on two or three strawmen to make it.
This is just all the stuff the left gets wrong, that feeds into the far-right populism. We need an alternative ti being scolds
Yeah, right. Telling them that they're harming people forces them to double down because that's how interpersonal communication works 🙄
You're invoking this comic in spite of pretending to be a leftist yourself:
Oh please, you're the one claiming it's prejudice to call out wealthy leftists for being so far removed from the situation that they don't even know rapes are happening in these communities.
Your defense of ivory towers of wealth, lifestyle disconnection and intellectual privilege is far more fascist aligned than anything I've said.
Hence your whole "anyone who disagrees with me must be MAGA" stance here...
...and again, it's an discourse where studies show that negative reinforcement is far less effective than positive reinforcement. Your line of thinking on these issues actually contributes to the polarisation and prolonging of them (so is pro-rape). As was your original denying there was any issue (saying it was just prejudice).
You just keep pushing bad answers... And I keep having to explain to you what the actual studies say (be they how negative discourse creates polarisation, or the very fact that rapes are happening).
You need to learn political nuance. Get off tiktok or whatever's got you so ideological boxed in.
But yeah, I'm done with you, and your reactionary polarisations. I hate you and we're on the "same side" - I can't imagine you're doing anything out there worthwhile. I just hope people like you can educate yourselves so I don't have to. Good luck.
I don't know where to even BEGIN adequately refuting that whole wall of nonsense, so I won't waste any more time on you to do so. Have the day you deserve.
"Results: Evidence shows that SV is highly frequent in MARs in Europe, yet comparison with other groups is still difficult. Methodologically and ethically sound representative studies comparing between populations are still lacking."
You are just linking studies because you see some numbers and you think it supports the story in your head. These people are aware of the nuances and difficulties of confounders and they don't make any of the baseless claims you are making. All they are saying is "there is high incidence of rape among immigrant females and we should help them by improving reception practices". They even say any over reaching conclusions are wrong. And yet here you are, undermining the work of these authors by fabricating conclusions that don't exist in the papers. I suspect you don't even read the conclusion, or anything beyond the title. And if you are, then you are just discussing in bad faith. In any case you don't seem to be here for a genuine scientific discussion so don't try to use science to support your claims, it feels insincere.
Yes, what's more sex crimes tend to be "crimes of opportunity" - or to frame that idea differently - "crimes of circumstance".... And those circumstances tend to be created by a lack of money, lack of education, and an abdication of responsibility from those in charge.
That the letter writing is a form of elite leftist denialism of the issues.
That it's essentially covering over that there are issues to be discussed here, in favour of going after "the right" and trying to scold ones enemies rather than actually look into the issues (which I'm claiming are cultural and economic).
You know, sometimes it's better to conceed than it is to alienate and deny.
Hilarious. They actually expect the ideology of pedophiles and rapists to listen to them.
Hahahaha good god.
Edit: Conservatives worldwide are rapists, pedophiles, and imbeciles. Just recently. Japan is having a right wing moron resurgence because of misinformation.
Elite leftists who want to disconnect themselves from the complex issues and incompatibilities of cultural exchange are just fueling the problem, and allowing right wing populists to make points.
Fact is that different regions have different gender relations, and different problems because of that, and we need to understand that.
American here under fascism and seeing no improvement anytime soon here.
From me to you, spare me the self righteousness.
FYI: you literally just supported my point. I am sure Israel will take into consideration what they are doing to the Thai women. Just like they are taking into consideration the Palestinians right to live.
Are there real concerns? Yes, some. Are there tons of misinformation campaigns actively trying to push anti-immigrant narratives and fake statistics to fearmonger and activate conservatives? Absolutely.
And a lot of those concerns will get worse by poverty and inequality but the right wing policies usually make that worse while blame it on the migrants. Rinse and repeat.
That's still some xenophobic nonsense that potentially punishes men for losing their families, not to mention is some dystopian "guilty with no opportunity to be proven innocent" assholery.
they have the statistics and data to back them up.
Then again, 69% of statistics are made up on the spot or deliberately skewed and that goes double any time governments want to justify abusing foreigners.
I know right? A culture that engaged in eugenics and genocide backed by statistics and data yesterday just happens to have statistics and data to back their regrettably cruel but totally pragmatic policy today.
Like damn I'm sure dictators have legitimate data that shows dissidents threaten their power. Good evidence is like a thought jammer.
A culture that engaged in eugenics and genocide backed by statistics and data yesterday just happens to have statistics and data to back their regrettably cruel but totally pragmatic policy today.
Setting aside the fact that I have no idea what specifically "a culture" refers to... this "women are afraid of men because of statistics" thing isn't limited to Canada.
She doesn't give a shit about true evils in the world, not about some malific dark figure wreaking death on innocence to make "inferior" people bow in fear. She only cares about making the lives of young people born different to her strict worldview as abysmal and horrible as possible. She should read this book about a boy born different to his peers who embraces it and eventually overthrows true evil and terror... oh wait.
In the book, many of those wacky characters "grow out of it".
Modern conservatism is just fascism, but with "they will grow out of it eventually" mentality. Crustaceans evolve into crabs, conservatives evolve into Hitlers.
Nearly 40 years after breaking off Antarctica, a colossal iceberg ranked among the oldest and largest ever recorded is finally crumbling apart in warmer waters, and could disappear within weeks.
Earlier this year, the “megaberg” known as A23a weighed a little under a trillion tonnes and was more than twice the size of Greater London, a behemoth unrivalled at the time.
The gigantic slab of frozen freshwater was so large it even briefly threatened penguin feeding grounds on a remote island in the South Atlantic Ocean, but ended up moving on.
It is now less than half its original size, but still a hefty 1,770 sq km (683 sq miles) and 60km (37 miles) at its widest point, according to AFP analysis of satellite images by the EU Earth observation monitor Copernicus.
That caught me eye too. The article says a bit more about it:
“I’d say it’s very much on its way out … it’s basically rotting underneath. The water is way too warm for it to maintain. It’s constantly melting,” he said.
“I expect that to continue in the coming weeks, and expect it won’t be really identifiable within a few weeks.”
The way I interpret that is that it will have broken up enough that it would no longer be identifiable as the single iceberg A23a, but there would still be lots of its ice floating around.
Wow, this is really disappointing. I thought A23a had what it took to last. I suppose in the end the fame and the pressure to live up to public expectations will break up even the strongest bonds.
No doubt the paparazzi following the 'berg around, shooting photos of every dip and rise, and the temptations found in warmer waters led to this demise.
I tried to find the current location of the iceberg and was met with a sad reminder of how much data the U.S. government contributes. Basically, all the location updates came from NOAA, and those haven’t been updated since March.
Ciao, questo pomeriggio è stato fatto un aggiornamento a NodeBB 4.5.1 passando prima dalla 4.5.0. Mi sembra funzioni tutto ma se riscontrate errori o problemi scrivetemi pure. Non allego i changelog perché stavolta sono luuuuuuuuuuuunghi ma li trovate su
Ciao, questo pomeriggio è stato fatto un aggiornamento a NodeBB 4.5.1 passando prima dalla 4.5.0.
Mi sembra funzioni tutto ma se riscontrate errori o problemi scrivetemi pure.
Non allego i changelog perché stavolta sono luuuuuuuuuuuunghi ma li trovate su GitHub:
Release build (patch) of NodeBB @ 2025-09-04T16:02:47.165Z
v4.5.1 (2025-09-04)
New Features
use _variables.scss overrides from acp in custom skins and bootswatch skins as well (0c48e0e)
Bug Fixes...
The U.S. military on Tuesday struck a drug boat from Venezuela, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said, as tensions spike between the Trump administration and the Venezuelan government.
I note the details of this incident are sparse, per the article, yet CBS utterly fails to use the word alleged at all. This is a 'drug boat' not an 'alleged drug boat,' nor a 'boat allegedly smuggling drugs.' Did they even ask what proof the military had before blowing up this 'drug boat?'
Is the USA now blowing up any boat at sea that they feel is a drug boat? Isn't the norm to have the Coast Guard intercept such boats board them, gather evidence, and make arrests? I guess this is the new war on drugs.
Yes. These are normally handled by the Coast Guard. There's a reason the Coast Guard vessels are armed. They can more than handle anything a cartel drug boat is carrying. They're heavily armed enough that most intercepted vessels surrender without a fight. Actually taking fire is extraordinarily rare.
There is absolutely zero reason to waste US Navy vessels on this. It appears Trump just blew up a random boat that could have easily been intercepted. Even assuming it is a drug boat, this attack is completely detrimental to fighting the drug trade. If you intercept the vessel, you can interrogate the crew, gather evidence from the vessel, and help crack the cartel network they are a part of. But you can't do any of that with a corpse-filled wreck on the bottom of the ocean.
Mayor Koch has stated that hate and rancor should be removed from our hearts. I do not think so. I want to hate these muggers and murderers.. They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes. They must serve as examples so that others will think long and hard before committing a crime or an act of violence. Yes, Mayor Koch, I want to hate these murderers and I always will. I am not looking to psychoanalyze or understand them, I am looking to punish them. If the punishment is strong, the attacks on innocent people will stop. - Donald Trump
It wasn't until 2002 that the five men were exonerated after convicted rapist and murderer Matias Reyes confessed to the crime. Reyes' DNA matched the sample found on Meili.
Here is another example of his love of killing people. Did you know that since 1976, only 16 people have been executed by the federal government. Two in 2001. One in 2003. The other 13 were executed in 2020 and 2021 when then President Trump learned he could expedite their executions.
Expect a lot more blood from this man now that he can and is ordering the military to wantonly spill it.
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This isn't the 80s, I don't think people are buying into the war on drugs facade masking imperialism as much as they used to. Drugs flow along the pacific. Venezuela is small fries for drug trafficking. This is absolutely reasserting imperial interest in Latin America and Venezuela being the most prominent non-US aligned country at the moment in Latin America. If the US acts stupid and tries to false flag themselves into a regime change invasion, it'll be more of a clusterfuck than Afghanistan. No doubt in my mind nonsense in Venezuela would spark something in Colombia and I doubt Brazil would want the US to win either
It wouldn't push Venezuelans to not want whoever reforms them once the U.S. scuffle is over to not join BRICS as well, and move away from the U.S. dollar. They already wanted in now if I remember, but Brazil vetoed it.
Whatever opposition there was against Maduro, the US is ruining it for them. Instead Venezuela gets a clear view of the regional existential threat, further motivation to modernize its military and build non-US aligned trade. They're shaping up to be, and getting help from the US in drumming up motivation, the Americas Iran but they can't be boogyman'ed as Muslims
Over the past decades power grids have undergone a transformation towards smaller and more intermittent generators – primarily in the form of wind and solar generators – as well as smal…
Moss Landing battery storage facility has repeatedly caught fire, which highlights another potentially major savings for grid operators, as the fallout of such events are instead borne by the operator of the battery, which for the DSGS would be the home owner.
Did I understand right that VPPs are just a way of grouping some generation and storage together in such a way that you can pretend it will act as a CCGT plant?
If so, surely this is papering over the challenge. A real solution will present all the information used to operate a "VPP" to the entire grid, and allow all the available resources to be managed by the grid.
That was a great read. Let's hope the author is right with most of it, especially the part where they predict an upcoming focus on teaching media/information literacy as a tool of societal resilience.
But someday after that, we’ll reach a point when the phrase “social media is all fake robo-crap” will be as common of knowledge as “cigarettes cause cancer” or “slot machines are a poor investment”. Adults can still smoke and slot, sure. But nobody in the developed world can say they weren’t warned of the risks.
Next Sosyal is a new social media platform with close ties to the Turkish ruling party, that is based on Mastodon but does not federate
A shuffle in the places, forums and sites to talk about #activitypub, with new owners for forum SocialHub, the activitypub.rocks website now managed by the W3C SocialCG, and the new activitypub.space forum
Next Sosyal is a new Turkish social media platform that is based on Mastodon. The platform has not enabled federation, and is thus not accessible from the fediverse. Next Sosyal is endorsed by Turkish ruling party AKP, and president Erdogan recently made his first post on the platform. Erdoğan quoted a poem from a prominent Turkish poet, and posted “Are you ready?”, with the hashtag “We’re starting,” along with emojis of the Turkish flag, the Earth and a rocket.
Next Sosyal is developed by Selçuk Bayraktar, who owns military drone company Baykar and is the son-in-law of President Erdogan. The platform is branded as a “local and national” alternative to global platforms such as X and Facebook. Bayraktar describes the platform as a safer and cleaner space for constructive dialogue free from trolling, disinformation and Western platform algorithms.
The Nordic Monitor news site further reports: “Several ministries and public entities now maintain official Next Sosyal profiles. Staff in these offices report that social media guidance increasingly favors the platform. Press releases, bulletins and announcements are expected to appear on Next before being shared on global platforms. Some officials say internal memos suggested de-emphasizing X and Instagram entirely. In addition, some major corporations have reportedly started opening accounts on Next out of fear of government pressure.”
Bayraktar claims that the app now has over 1 million users. Since Next Sosyal is a slight reskin of Mastodon, it means that the same API also works. API calls to Next Sosyal on August 22nd showed an exact user count of 850.000, and as of September 2 the API claims a total of 1.100.000 accounts. Registering on the app requires a Turkish phone number, making it difficult for me to verify these numbers by looking at timeline activity, but the exact roundness of these numbers does raise some suspicions for me.
The platform was originally released without any reference to Mastodon’s source code. Mastodon is released under the AGPL license, which means that you can use, modify and distribute the software freely, as long as you publish the code under the same AGPL license. After some requests from the Mastodon organisation, Next Sosyal is now compliant with this, and explicitly mentions that “NSocial is an open source Mastodon-based social media platform developed by TEKNOFEST entrepreneurs.” on their About page.
We live in a world where authoritarian rulers seem to have a better grasp of current social media dynamics than many democratic leaders have. Both Trump and Erdogan understand the value of building a social media platform where they have a direct connection with their supporters, and can control message distribution. That both leaders use Mastodon for this, while democratic leadership shows little interest in building out their own social media distribution platforms on the open social web is painful.
In Other News
Last week I wrote about SocialHub, a forum to discuss ActivityPub, and how it fits into a larger understanding of the ‘substrate’ layer of the fediverse. One of the points I made is that the communication layer underneath the fediverse (meaning places to discuss and collaborate on ActivityPub, for example) is fairly decentralised. The positive effect is that this creates a distribution of power, nobody can control all the conversations that happen about ActivityPub. This also means that coordination is more difficult, as developers are spread out over multiple places. There has been quite some movement this week in this space of “what are the places to talk about ActivityPub”:
The direct cause for writing the article was SocialHub potentially shutting down. A new administrator has been found, workers cooperative Pavillion. The cooperative was hired by forum software Discourse to create the ActivityPub plugin for the forum.
Activitypub.rocks is the ‘official’ website for the ActivityPub protocol, but it has not been updated for almost five years. Christine Lemmer-Webber, one of the co-authors of ActivityPub, has decided to hand over the website to the SocialCG, the community group for ActivityPub that is part of the W3C. A new initiative to work on the website from the SocialCG is led by Johannes Ernst, who also organises the FediForum conferences.
Activitypub.space is a new forum to discuss ActivityPub, created by NodeBB developer Julian Lam.
Fediverse software updates:
A blog by the WordPress ActivityPub team with more details on their latest updates, with expanded moderation tooling and improvements under the hood.
Piefed now has a build-in discovery tool to find new communities to subscribe to.
Blogging platform WriteFreely has further fediverse integrations with their latest update: it now displays ‘likes’ on WriteFreely blog posts made on other platforms. Other platforms such as Mastodon will now also show a preview or summary of a WriteFreely post, in addition to a link.
LemmyBridge is a new browser extension that connects you to Lemmy discussions for any website you visit.
Pixelfed releases the ‘Stories’ feature on their Android app.
And an overview of all fediverse software updates of the week.
And some more links:
WeDistribute writes about the Client-to-Server part of ActivityPub, a part of the protocol that is rarely used, and how the Social Web Foundation is working on promoting its use.
A tutorial that explains how you can do podcasting with PeerTube.
FedInspect, a desktop application for analysing fediverse server configurations and features.
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in reply to artifex • • •Aha, but you see my proposal specifically keeps the web clients for the specific content streams up to the user rather than baking them in. I like M.Bin so thats what I use for threads and microblogs, so thats what I would select as my service for that content within the browser.
What I want is a unified inbox, with a move from each notification over to the webclient I choose to interact with the content. To be more specific I want a text-only inbox, but I want it to include headlines/captions/descriptions for multimedia content so I can have my Peertube, Pixelfed, Loops, Threads, Microblogs and whatever else all accessible from a single point of contact.
I definitely agree on the portable account point, it always reminds me of Solid the private data project by Sir Tim Berners-Lee. Seems like ATProtocol may have been influenced by it?
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in reply to artifex • • •Yes, the reason is that corporations can not profit from an unsiloed web of data, so they all created their own walled gardens and successfully fooled users into believing that the UI needs to be tightly coupled with the data they host.
What would be stopping us from having these tabs using the same data from the social graph?
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in reply to rglullis • • •Yes, this is my point exactly. I want the 3 tabs, AND I want a unified inbox that opens those tabs when I interact with a relevant notification. Seems like there are some projects heading this direction.
Ideally I dont want a new tab to open for every time I click on a different notification of the same type, just reuse the existing client tab that is open.
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in reply to Coopr8 • • •Both Mastodon and Lemmy (and Mbin) expose an API, which can be used to develop an alternative client (for e.g. mobile). This allows even for several alternative front-ends, like Elk, Phanpy and pl-fe for Mastodon (and Pleroma and Akkoma and some Misskey forks and several projects for single-user-instances - all of these extend Mastodon API in some way), or Photon, mlmym and Blorp for Lemmy. GoToSocial (made for single-user-instances) does not provide any webUI, pointing to these alternative front-ends. Lemdro.id even swapped its interface for Photon.
Mastodon clients list (scroll down) and Lemmy clients list
Technically one is able to develop a Fediverse instance software which would provide both Mastodon API (likely with extensions) and Lemmy API. With e.g. microblogging (and maybe events?) used via pl-fe and Threadiverse content more easily available via Photon or Blorp? But I am not aware of any project like that.
Get an app for Mastodon
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in reply to Kierunkowy74 • • •Yes, what I'm getting at is a way to create a notifications/inbox client that pulls from all the above stated API's but does not attempt to push any content to them, instead switching the user over to their preferred webclient when content interaction begins.
Kind of like how an email client shows a title/headline, sender, and Metadata for each post but then expands a rich text / markup environment when you open the email. Or how some minimal RSS readers just pull headlines and a quick summary of each post but push you over to the original website when you click through to read the full post.
I just want one place to see who has posted on what, and then use the front ends specialized for each piece of content to actually interact.
I suppose there could be a side development to this, which would be the ability to associate accounts across multiple services and then filter only for them, for example if you know someone who posts on lemmy, Mastodon, peertube, Pixelfed, and loops, you could view all their posts of the day in one place. Or a team you are a part of. Anyway, once you can pull multiple services into one inbox the data sort potential is an obvious added benefit.
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in reply to Coopr8 • • •no it doesn't. most clients open third-party links in the actual browser. interstellar has a setting for that.
i'm saying that the functionality you're describing is already perfectly encapsulated by a normal browser, and what you want is that, but limited to a handful of sites.
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in reply to lime! • • •This is an issue of reading comprehension, I'm talking about a browser with a UI customized to fit Fediverse needs first and websites second, plus a service embedded in the browser to pull unification from each service into a single stream.
Preserving website functionality is still essential to the browser, because both the fediverse clients and the links posted on them should in my opinion be opened in that same browser by default (or set to open a different browser if the user prefers).
Im just talking about UI, no one said anything about blocking websites. Just because the address bar doesnt live onscreen by default doesn't mean it should be eliminated entirely.
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in reply to lime! • • •Why don't the highest use rate clients for Fediverse services look like standard browsers? There is a level of pure aesthetic sensibility at play.
I'm interested in what you mean by your desktop handling your notifications, do you have a central log of notifications you can access via your desktop?
This is actually a pretty great angle I hadn't fully thought out, most clients do push notifications, so is what I'm really talking about just a push notification log with the ability to filter for a set of designated sources? That would definitely handle a hefty chunk of what I'm getting at, the rest is basically just a browser skin and some extensions.
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in reply to Coopr8 • • •they don't? i feel like they pretty much do, considering they're all web pages.
every desktop environment i've used in the past 10 years has this, it's basically been the default from windows 8 forward. GNOME puts them front and center in a dropdown in the middle, windows and deepin has a sidebar, KDE pops out a whole window for them.
basically the crux of it is what you want to do with your notifications. for me, a notification is an indicator that someone wants something, so the action it should perform is bring me to whoever it is. if that's all you need, then you're already there because every client i've used already has notification settings that allow you to filter stuff.
the reason i'm asking questions is that you're all over the stack here. you're talking about a user chrome, then you're talking about consolidating messages, then about notification filters. i think it can all coalesce into something if you start from the capabilities of activitypub itself. it's basically a messaging system at its core, with clients all deciding how to handle the contents of each message. i've long thought that neither twitterlikes or redditlikes actually play to the strength of the protocol, and that activitypub needs some sort of killer app to really shine. if you think you have something, you should let it form into a coherent idea and present it.
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in reply to lime! • • •I'm going to have to dive into push notification handling, I basically minimize the use of push notifications at my desktop level to only push work related content, and use the notification system of the clients to handle the "recreational" content which leaves me checking lots of platforms separately.
It makes sense that there should be the ability to create separate profiles with different filters and behaviors at the push notification manager level, I just haven't thought to look into it before.
Regarding killer apps for ActivityPub, and unified clients, I have a second idea which I didn't want to cloud this thread with that seems somewhat inevitable that will require a central portal with access to all services (and accounts?). That is a single publishing UI where the user creates/uploads any piece of content and then it suggests what venue/service/account to publish it on and related add-ons like hash tags, etc. With the Fediverse the APIs are open and multiplatform publishing clients (like FediPlan) already exist, so a level of light ML/AI for publication seems inevitable.
The next level of this, and what could be a "Killer App" is spontaneously generated affinity grouping via content aware publishing, meaning that the publishing client not only suggests where the posts should go, but also has a metalayer where the publishing clients instances "gossip" about the content being published and then create brand new "spontaneous" venues to publish that content in alongside other similar content being published by other users. Suddenly your text post about a super-niche interest or problem is pooled with posts by other users on the same topic, and bam you have a relevant discussion group of commenters/posters.
Problems of course arrise from this re:advertisers/promoters as well as unsavory/harmful mutual interests, but to be honest I think this is more of an inevitability than a possibility, so getting ahead to architect it in a way that minimizes potential abuse before the corpos get on it is probably a good idea.
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in reply to Coopr8 • • •hm, i think there's some confusion regarding AP here. there's no "deciding where things should go"; every frontend can "see" every type of post, even if the format is off. what you're describing by is essentially how it already works, no multiple accounts needed. the frontend just needs to decide how to handle it. for lemmy-to-masto the handling is pretty basic, you can see it by going to a mastodon server and searching for your lemmy account (formatted as @yourname@yoursite.blah).
for the "gossip" thing, every server already publishes every new thing. it's up to other servers to decide how to handle it.
regarding the automated tagging system, i actually had a similar idea recently. i think a big flaw with lemmy/mbin/piefed is the keeping of communities from reddit; if the already extant tags were used instead, the cross-posting problem would go away completely since comments would be attached to posts rather than communities.
anyway: it would not be difficult to just use words in a post to assign it tags, but i question the usefulness of doing that. some sort of analysis would help, as you say, but then we're introducing nondeterministic behaviour. there is definitely a discoverability problem on fedi, and something like this could definitely help with some polish.
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in reply to lime! • • •Regarding "where content should go", I mean like which community to post a lemmy post in, or which account to post to if a person manages multiple topical accounts (or accounts in different instances specialized for specific services), or whether to format it for loops vs peertube for video, etc.
Gossip wise, I'm imagining compressed data posted in a format only intended to be ready by the automation systems which happens before the suggestions are made, so that the suggestions can include dynamicly grouping content before publication by appending the relevant metadata/format (like posting in a lemmy community).
lime!
in reply to Coopr8 • • •the formatting is up to the client that displays the content, interestingly enough. AP just has a "message type" fields and different clients care about different types.
i'm not really sure what that gossip method achieves. surely if it's just post metadata we're talking a hundred bytes at most. running it separate from the main feed seems like it would just bork every single AP client that tries to use content published by this hypothetical one.
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in reply to lime! • • •Yes, the automation datastream would need to be segregated, and probably ephemeral.
The point is that if you want posts to spontaneously coalesce with some kind of shared Metadata, you want the ML content analysis information of the post to go out before the actual post is published so the final post Metadata can include the "group" tag or whatever you want to call it.
Alternately you could do it after the fact by editing the post, but that seems like there would probably be some degree of chicken and egg scenario.
All of this could be done by the client completely independent of post metadata of course, but then how do you make the relation of the posts to each other consistent between multiple users? Is that even a desireable/necessary goal is a question I suppose.
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in reply to Coopr8 • • •i don't understand this assertion at all. the post is the post. surely we want to classify the post based on the content of the post? tags are contained in posts. your client can just add the relevant info before sending it. figure out potential categories locally, query the server for which of them are popular, and either pick one or have the user select one.
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in reply to lime! • • •The difference is that I'm talking about the automation creating completely new groupings, most akin to a community on Lemmy, that coordinated across multiple users, in my mind "simultaneously" with the user still agreeing to opt in to inclusion in that group.
There is an alternative way to do this, which would be that the automation groups the posts after posting, however there is a question there about opt-in, will users want to opt existing posts in after the fact?
One way that definitely would be easiest to implement would be if these groupings are essentially threads with a single piece of content as the "start" / "seed" of the thread and the other posts relating to that thread. Regarding opt-in for that I suppose it could be as easy as enabling/disabling "thread seeding"
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in reply to Coopr8 • • •Re: Unified Fediverse App - a browser solution?
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in reply to Coopr8 • • •I don't like the idea, but at least one such application is already being developed:
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in reply to silverpill • • •Thanks, this is definitely the direction I was imagining, though it takes the tac of trying to be a primary browser with Fediverse features, rather than a Fediverse dedicated browser instance, so they will be forced to sacrifice UI streamlining for website-centric UI.
What don't you like about the idea of you dont mind explaining?
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in reply to silverpill • • •Yes, we all want that for sure, and I'm definitely not convinced the ATProtocol solution is it.
Ever hear of Solid by Tim Berners-Lee? It was an early approach to this single account for private data concept, seems like it might still be in development these many years later? solidproject.org/
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in reply to Coopr8 • • •I think Solid had some interesting ideas, but was ruined by Linked Data.
ActivityPub has a chance of evolving into something like Solid, but better.
Actually, I am already using a single account for interacting with most Fediverse apps. Aren't you on Mbin? I thought it also can interact with blogs, forums and everything in between
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in reply to silverpill • • •I use mbin for threads and microblogs, but it is missing some multimedia support. Someone told me that it can follow peertube accounts, but it only populates text, so I'm going to check that out next. Maybe it will evolve/build steam fast enough to really become the does-it-all platform with tons of devs putting in the necessary work, but right now I don't think it qualifies.
As a side note, what I'm talking about would be an alternative approach for a specific reason, dedicated UIs for specific content streams can be chosen by the user rather than baked in to the platform. For some people, this modular approach is going to be better.
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in reply to Coopr8 • • •Personally, I think it would only work out if the programmer tries to reconstruct posts from different formats in a format that works out for each. Otherwise it becomes what it already is, a glorified browser with multiple profiles enabled, and with over-preference for a type of engine.
My opinion is, take note of the major platforms for each engine and/or experience, and recommend them based on your friends' tastes.
The rest, centralization, would be replaced by what I call propagation (iirc people call it "to federated"?), which people directly and indirectly do, like boosting posts (Mbin / microblogging stuff) and commenting so people following the user see the original post too, following people and following Peertube channels on Peertube and the "threadiverse" so one's account is a bridge for propagation, up/downvoting, etc. And as this web of social medias grows, tendency is that it keeps growing exponentially until either it takes over like email, or stagnates.
This logic, I think, is similar to recommending Linux Mint or immutable distros to Linux novices, the "safe bet" for them before they get used to the technical side or while Linux wouldn't (past tense) become accessible.
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in reply to Auster • • •I have two challenges to this take.
Firstly, the theory that cross-propagation of media will lead to growth across multiple platforms starting with one as the "mainline" to recommend to new entrants heavily relies on Superusers who not only use multiple platforms for content discovery, but also then take the additional step to cross-post that media from one silo into the other, for example posting a peertube link into a miroblog post. For most people they will instead interact with the content in each silo, commenting on or favoriting the peertube post within the peertube client and leaving it at that.
Secondly is the attention economy factor and platform inertia. Essentially social media platforms have successfully commodified/colonized a growing percentage of total attention hours for average users, and when interacting with content most users are passive consumers for a substantial percentage of the total content they are served. When entering a new platform, for it to serve as a viable alternative it must serve up an amount of content that allows them to both use the platform for an appreciable percentage of their total media consumption (otherwise the ratio of times checking the platform to reward for the check drops below acceptability) and provide them with a level of engagement that provides platform satisfaction, which typically starts close to where they were on average with the other platforms they use. Then you have this issue of content-fit which is a whole different issue to address, which we will leave aside for the most oart but it is worth pointing out majorly impacts the number of interactions a user puts in to the content as well as overall satisfaction.
Unifying the inbox reduces one of the barriers to wider adoption by improving the ratio of number of times the platform is checked to the amount of content available for interaction, thereby making the fediverse a more likely source of overall content to be maintained in the user's set if options. Each platform individually will struggle with this until adoption passes a certain threshold. Each one individually feels "empty" to users when compared to their usual, which is a turn off for both consumers and creators, while in aggregate the picture is much better.
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in reply to Coopr8 • • •On the first point, propagation happens passively too. For example, if someone follows me on Mastodon, this reply will be pulled to his/her feed as a microblogging post, and will be discoverable on any feeds my account later appears. I remember also testing around between Lemmy and Mbin how liking/upvoting works, and doing that on Lemmy while the Mbin account followed it also showed posts previously not on my Mbin instance.
Similarly, Mbin (and dunno about Lemmy but I'd imagine it's the same) pulls Peertube channels as magazines/communities, and iirc Peertube channels can also be followed as users on microblogging platforms, and in both cases their video uploads automatically appear on the respective text feeds.
And about the second point, I agree, but that's also why I suggest recommending major platforms. For example, Lemmy.World and Mastodon.Social are likely to have far more publications being posted on or propagated to than Mbin or PieFed instances, since the former two are around for much longer, and not actively trying to be toxic (at least from what I can observe).
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in reply to Auster • • •hmmmm interesting, a lot of this is news to me. I'll have to try and pull in some peertube accounts, I have never seen any posts showing them.
I also admit I dont follow that many individual accounts, but I don't follow some and I've never seen a comment come through as a notification. I'll try following you and see if that changes.
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in reply to Coopr8 • • •A Plan for Social Media - Rethinking Federation
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in reply to rglullis • • •Yes, thank you.
The core of my proposal is to minimize the dev burden of a unified platform by utilizing the siloed web clients for content interaction while centralizing notifications/inbox.
This should please both camps because the platform people will just keep doing the same thing they have been doing, while the browser folks get a single point of interaction with notifications but multiplatform capability on content interaction/graph navigation.
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in reply to Coopr8 • • •You might want to check out fedilab. It does something similar. I've been using it for a while. It's not browser based, it's far from perfect, and I don't think it includes Lemmy, but it's much more enjoyable than effing instagram.
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