Japanese minister calls Dokdo 'inherent part' of Japan after protests from Seoul over territory
Japanese minister calls Dokdo 'inherent part' of Japan after protests from Seoul over territory
A Japanese Cabinet minister reiterated Tokyo’s territorial claims over Dokdo after Seoul protested the expansion of a Japanese museum promoting the country's sovereignty over the islets.Korea JoongAng Daily
Israeli strike hits Haret Hreik in Beirut's southern suburbs
An Israeli airstrike on Sunday targeted a residential apartment in Haret Hreik in Beirut's southern suburbs, according to local media reports.The strike came amid continued Israeli attacks across Lebanon. Beirut’s southern suburbs have been hit several times since the ceasefire agreement of 27 November 2024.
Flights disrupted after Airbus discovers intense sun radiation could impact flight control data
If anyone has an article with more technical details on what the solar radiation did, and how they're going to patch it, I'd like to read about it 😀
Airbus said it discovered the issue after an investigation into an incident in which a plane flying between the US and Mexico suddenly lost altitude in October.The JetBlue Airways flight made an emergency landing in Florida after at least 15 people were injured.
The problem identified with A320 aircrafts relates to a piece of computing software which calculates a plane's elevation.
Airbus discovered that, at high altitudes, its data could be corrupted by intense radiation released periodically by the Sun.
The A320 family are what is known as "fly by wire" planes. This means there is no direct mechanical link between the controls in the cockpit and the parts of the aircraft that actually govern flight, with the pilot's actions processed by a computer.
Flights disrupted after Airbus discovers intense sun radiation could impact flight control data
If anyone has an article with more technical details on what the solar radiation did, and how they're going to patch it, I'd love to read it :)Airbus said it discovered the issue after an investigation into an incident in which a plane flying between the US and Mexico suddenly lost altitude in October.The JetBlue Airways flight made an emergency landing in Florida after at least 15 people were injured.
The problem identified with A320 aircrafts relates to a piece of computing software which calculates a plane's elevation.
Airbus discovered that, at high altitudes, its data could be corrupted by intense radiation released periodically by the Sun.
The A320 family are what is known as "fly by wire" planes. This means there is no direct mechanical link between the controls in the cockpit and the parts of the aircraft that actually govern flight, with the pilot's actions processed by a computer.
Airbus requests immediate modifications to thousands of aircraft
About 6,000 plans are thought to be affected, about half the European aerospace giant's global fleet.Theo Leggett (BBC News)
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Flights disrupted after Airbus discovers intense sun radiation could impact flight control data
If anyone has an article with more technical details on what the solar radiation did, and how they're going to patch it, I'd love to read it 😀
Airbus said it discovered the issue after an investigation into an incident in which a plane flying between the US and Mexico suddenly lost altitude in October.The JetBlue Airways flight made an emergency landing in Florida after at least 15 people were injured.
The problem identified with A320 aircrafts relates to a piece of computing software which calculates a plane's elevation.
Airbus discovered that, at high altitudes, its data could be corrupted by intense radiation released periodically by the Sun.
The A320 family are what is known as "fly by wire" planes. This means there is no direct mechanical link between the controls in the cockpit and the parts of the aircraft that actually govern flight, with the pilot's actions processed by a computer.
Airbus requests immediate modifications to thousands of aircraft
About 6,000 plans are thought to be affected, about half the European aerospace giant's global fleet.Theo Leggett (BBC News)
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Man who rushed at Ariana Grande deported to Australia, barred from re-entering Singapore: ICA
Man who rushed at Ariana Grande deported to Australia, barred from re-entering Singapore: ICA
Johnson Wen had been given nine days' jail on November 17. Read more at straitstimes.com.Christine Tan (ST)
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He is known for disrupting several international events, such as Katy Perry’s Sydney concert in June and the men’s 100m final at the 2024 Paris Olympics.
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Trump’s Peace Plan for Ukraine, Annotated [gift link]
Trump has said he wants Ukraine to agree to a 28-point peace plan by Thanksgiving. The problem for Kyiv is that many of the points cross their red lines and reflect demands long made by Moscow. The Kremlin has said it wasn’t consulted on the plan.Here’s a breakdown of some of the key points in the plan and how Ukraine and its European allies might respond.
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Airbus A320 – intense solar radiation may corrupt data critical for flight
Airbus update on A320 Family precautionary fleet action
Analysis of a recent event involving an A320 Family aircraft has revealed that intense solar radiation may corrupt data critical. Read more.Airbus
!@$& Homelab Networking
LOL Not really, but boy it has been a day. Started at 7:00 am and I finally resolved (?) the issue. In fact I've got through every last bit of my network, and at this point in the evening, I actually don't have a solid reason why the issue was present. Something in my VPN settings glitched, or something got triggered on pFsense and got hung up....something, something with Tailscale. It wasn't CLoudflare this time. LOL
You ever do so much to a problem that when you 'fix' it, you have no real idea what the fix truly was? You ever have a problem and find all the shit you cobbled together in the name of 'just get it running and back online'? I did, and decided that I would fix that shit too. It took all flippin' day.
You guys that do this for a living....I salute you! jebus crispies!
ETA: 8 bells and all's well today.
When you do it for work, you log what you have changed each time you make a change to try to fix it, and you log what you revert, so you can keep track of what you have tried, what worked, and what didn't and have a clearer idea of what the solution was.
Sometimes it really does take a while to nail down though, and sometimes it isn't entirely clear why what worked worked. Especially if you're a junior network engineer without as much experience.
Yeah, same here ! Can't believe how useful it is to have a git repo to keep track of changes, even as a non coder/sysadmin.
Simple pull/push commands and I'm now able to keep track of my bash scripts and specific .dot/config files.
To bad there isn't a way to keep side notes a la Obsidian. Comments in the code are okay, but sometimes I wan't to breakup the whole command with some notes to get a better understanding !
I understand.
I learned again for the nth time that home assistant doesnt like refreshing my cert, and I can't go to the site to refresh the cert unless it has a valid cert...
Maybe I'll fix it tomorrow. It's valid again now.
When I set it up, I did not know better.
Now? Inertia. Nginx already does it for other things, I haven't bothered to move home assistant over because home assistant works ( all but one days in a cycle)
“So what was the problem in the end?”
“Man, I don’t fucking know.”
- me, every goddamn time
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Me with Windows issues.
Was it a Windows update?
Was it the release upgrade (e.g. 24H2 -> 25H2)?
Was it the restart?
Was it a driver update?
Some program specific bug?
And due to bad naming, convoluted or outdated documentation or fucky SEO from spam sites pretending to know the fix that did X or Y...
At least with Linux you sort of can find the specific fix in a release from the merge/commit notes.
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This. If I pay the cost in frustration and anguish and soul-searching and demanding justice from an uncaring god, I want something for it. I want documentation. I want my lessons learned from the post incident review. I want something I can hack into mgmtConfig to make sure nothing else will do that too.
Struggling for no payoff is the absolute worst thing.
I want my suffering to result in something learned so it doesn’t happen again.
Soooo much this. I'm down to learn about technology any day of the week. But when I 'fix' something and I don't know what the 'fix' really was, it is a rush of mixed emotions. I am ecstatic relieved the problem is fixed, but left empty not having learned the 'why it broke' in the first place. And then I'm always fearful that the problem will gestate in my lab and rear it's ugly head again at some other inopportune time.
How I fixed hardware acceleration on my NUC for Jellyfin.
My docs on how to install/enable HuC/GuC:
And to this day I am procrastinating upgrading my main docker host because I can't be bothered to either inplace upgrade my Debian 10 (or 11) to a current release and then fix that I restart my whole journey and sacrifice a whole weekend on fixing my card house of a homelab/home infrastructure....
SnipeIT
I've seen the app rolling around in Awesome Lists, but always thought it was for larger operations with a lot of infrastructure and not necessarily a home lab. I might look into it seriously.
I tried Obsidian, and it is a very capable piece of software. However, I wanted it to run in a docker container. Running in a container, it uses KasmVNC. So, every doccument you wish to save in Obsidian, you first have to paste into KasmVNC's clipboard, then paste it into the doccument. I found that quite clumsy.
If I'm doing it wrong, please share. Obsidian was my first choice.
Sometimes the fix has been done but the effect takes a while. For a cache to age out or a change to propogate. It all depends on what you are working with/on.
Or you made a change but forgot to restart a specific service.
Meanwhile even though you did a fix correctly and aren't aware of it, since it doesn't seem to work you change something else and break it again inadvertently.
Air traffic suspended at Netherlands airport after drone sightings
Air traffic at the Eindhoven airport in the south of the Netherlands has resumed after a suspension that lasted several hours due to multiple drone sightings, the Dutch defence minister has said.Traffic resumed around 11pm (22:00 GMT), Defence Minister Ruben Brekelmans said on Saturday, two hours after he had first reported the disruption.
Separately on Saturday, the Defence Ministry said the Dutch military opened fire at drones over Volkel Air Base in the east of the country on Friday, but no wreckage was recovered.
Security staff at the base reported the drones between 7pm and 9pm on Friday (between 17:00 and 19:00 GMT), prompting the air force to fire ground-based weapons to take them down, the ministry said in a statement.
Air traffic suspended at Netherlands airport after drone sightings
Drone sightings caused suspension of air traffic at Eindhoven airport, impacting both civilian and military operations.Al Jazeera
Seeking Volunteer Podcasters for a New Show under Smarter Minds!
Smarter Minds is a decentralized non-profit group on a mission to create an excellent learning environment that fosters critical thinking, creativity, and personal growth. We’re launching a new podcast aimed at smart conversations that raise awareness about AI psychosis — a mental health concern where excessive use of AI chatbots can cause symptoms like delusions or paranoia in vulnerable people. Our goal is to inform listeners simply and clearly while promoting thoughtful dialogue on this emerging topic.
What we’re looking for:
Volunteer podcasters ready to commit to recording up to 4 episodes a month.
Clear speakers who are comfortable hosting interview or discussion-style episodes.
Interest or experience in psychology, technology, creativity, or mental health is a plus.
Reliable communication and a passion for spreading awareness in an engaging way.
What you’ll do:
Collaborate remotely to create compelling episode content.
Help shape the show’s tone and topics focused on mental health, personal growth & history.
Engage listeners with thoughtful conversations that raise awareness about AI psychosis and more.
How to get involved:
Join our Discord and introduce yourself here:
discord.com/channels/144166550…
Please share a bit about your background, podcasting experience if any, and links to past work or recordings if available.
Let’s create something smart, meaningful, and valuable together!
Discord - Group Chat That’s All Fun & Games
Discord is great for playing games and chilling with friends, or even building a worldwide community. Customize your own space to talk, play, and hang out.Discord
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Four episodes per month is a lot of work.
- Is it supposed to become a paid gig eventually?
- Does the company make any money? Like are you advertising or accepting paid subscriptions, or getting funding of any kind?
I agree with all of what your saying, but how is having a podcast not free? All you need is a way to record audio and somewhere to host it. Basically everyone has a phone, and YouTube and other places are readily available. You don't need a shure microphone to spread your ideas.
Other than that, I fully agree, this is a very odd post by OP.
Home Assistant Connect ZBT-2 - A USB adapter that plugs into your Home Assistant system and opens up a world of smart device options
If anyone bought the previous one, how was it and what do you think about this upgrade?
Excerpts:
The easiest way to start with Zigbee or Thread just got even better, with Home Assistant Connect ZBT-2. This USB adapter plugs into your Home Assistant system and opens up a world of smart device options. Between its precisely tuned antenna and next-generation chip, it’s a big step up for anyone looking to connect Zigbee, Thread, or Matter devices directly to Home Assistant.For all our Zigbee fans, this might be the best upgrade you’ll make all year. We’ve squeezed every inch out of this technology, giving it the best range, speed, and stability possible. The same can be said for our Thread-heads out there (yeah, I just came up with that cool nickname 😎), making Matter or ESPHome Thread
connections rock-solid. Pick whether to dedicate your Connect ZBT-2 to run a Zigbee or Thread network, and it’ll provide the best experience for that protocol (and if all these names just sound like new streaming services to you, check out our explainer below).If you’re one of those people still rocking three different hubs, what are you waiting for… another giant server outage to take down your smart home? Ditch those cloud hubs and take back your privacy today. As an added bonus, your devices will likely get more controls, range, and resilience.
Available today starting at $49 and €45 (that’s the MSRP, and pricing will vary by retailer). Designed and built by Nabu Casa and the Open Home Foundation, every purchase helps fund the development of Home Assistant. For quick specs, details, and where to buy, visit our beautiful Home Assistant Connect ZBT-2 page.
Open Design
When we say open, we mean it. In the physical sense, it’s easy to open Connect ZBT-2 as there are no clips or glue, just some lovely standard Phillips head screws. The board has a gorgeous silkscreen, which explains all the chips, exposed pins, and pads.
The bootloader is unlocked, and all the firmware we build is open source and available to modify. We’ve also built a new website
that makes it easy to flash the stock firmware, and in the future, experiment with new firmware. We’ll also be providing the PCB and outer casing files if you want to tinker with those. Openness makes our products better… literally, since our community helps us find and fix bugs.
The best gets better - Home Assistant Connect ZBT-2
We launch our newest hardware that helps connect Zigbee, Thread, or Matter devices to Home Assistant.Home Assistant
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I bought the ZBT-1 a few months ago. My only complaint is that they made it as a usb stick then said keep it away from the usb port. It did come with an extension cable, so I’ve always had it connected that way. Otherwise, no complaints here. It seems to reach what it needs to. I’m using it for matter over thread devices. The closest thread IoT device is only about six feet away, so it didn’t need to be super strong to connect and control my thread network of devices.
As for the upgraded device:
Moving away from the usb stick makes sense. With that said, I’m not much of a fan for this new design. I don’t have any intentions of getting the zbt-2 anytime soon.
I worked through three zogbee dongles from Amazon including the sonoff one.
Always had issues with my mesh. Upgrading to the one provided by Nabu guys (the v1) fixed them all and it's been almost one year rock solid now. No more disconnection or better devices losing it
In addition to these guys knowing what they are doing and pushing firmware updates straight through Home Assistant, every purchase also supports the Open Home Foundation.
I'm pretty sure you can achieve similar performance with cheaper dongles.
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Was hopeful to get a zigbee and threads coordinator.
Sadly, it’s an „or“ not an „and“.
I need threads support, so I will probably get it anyway. But it’s just an evolution, not a revolution.
On a previous thread, someone pointed to sonoff.tech/en-us/products/son…
Looks like it might support both.
SONOFF Dongle Max Zigbee/Thread PoE Dongle | Dongle-M
Dongle Max is a PoE dongle with EFR32MG24 + ESP32D0WDR2, dual antennas, and USB/TCP support, working as a high-performance gateway for Home Assistant.SONOFF
The bigger benefit for slzb devices is that they are wholly decoupled from the machine running zha/z2m, plus PoE, wifi and BLE proxies are nice features.
The downside is, it's not open hardware.
Yep.
I have a SLZB-06 as a Zigbee coordinator and sometimes it hangs. I can also not do OTA updates. I like the convenience but I’m not sure the hardware and/or firmware are quite there yet.
The smlight slzb-mr2 does both and is PoE - makes it more robust. HA comp goes down? Restarts? USB port change and now the passthrough fails? With an independent LAN coordinator the zigbee network is fine. I don’t have threads stuff (yet) but I assume the same applies.
I’ve had no issues, the Ukrainians already got this solved. Get from Ali express (Ukrainians don’t produce them, they’re busy being bombed)
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So I learned the hard way that the ZBT-2 does not work* in Thread mode in #HomeAssistant when you run it as a Docker container If they didn't want people running HA as a Docker container, then the table in the docs should go into a _little bit_ more…Sebin Nyshkim (meow.social - the meowstodon instance for creatures fluffy, scaly and otherwise)
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You’re right. It seems that you need the "OpenThread Border Router add-on":
home-assistant.io/integrations…
support.nabucasa.com/hc/en-us/…
Thread
Open source home automation that puts local control and privacy first. Powered by a worldwide community of tinkerers and DIY enthusiasts. Perfect to run on a Raspberry Pi or a local server.Home Assistant
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I actually upgraded from a Conbee stick to the official home assistant one to support them... But the official home assistant one is significantly worse.
A few devices like buttons were discovered by the Conbee and worked perfectly fine, but the home assistant refuses to recognize their functionality.
Since I already migrated all my devices, I am not going back, but I would recommend anyone against purchasing the official home assistant sticks. Get the cheaper stuff instead.
buttons were discovered by the Conbee and worked perfectly fine, but the home assistant refuses to recognize their functionality.
That's not the hardware stick; that's the controller software stack. Sounds like you switched from deConz to ZHA to go with the hardware change. In which case, this is all fixed by using Zigbee2MQTT instead of HA's built-in ZHA. Z2M supports more hardware and features than ZHA.
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Why would a USB accessory need PoE?
Zigbee 4 support lacking in it is disappointing.
PoE needs to be more prevalent, IMO. When Smlight came out with the SLZB I jumped on it. Not only does it give me options for where to place it in my house, but it also allows me to make HA more resilient on my Proxmox cluster because it isn't tied to a single node with USB passthru.
I know that this probably is an edge case and that the HA team wants to make things easier with the HA green and HA yellow so USB still makes sense, but if this or the SWA-2 had PoE as an option, it would have been a no brainer.
They are on it:
Home Assistant Connect ZBT-2 supports Zigbee 3.0 (and yes, we’re looking at Zigbee 4.0 support as well) and is keeping pace with Thread’s rapid development.
Being misunderstood
I’m not sure if this is an ADHD related thing so I want some feedback.
For the longest time whenever I try to communicate an idea, a process, a plan, a piece of information … I’m oftentimes either not taken serious or people misunderstand me.
I know for myself that I sometimes skip steps in my explanation because I feel they’re too obvious to bother explaining. But sometimes it’s ridiculous to the point where I feel like people are out to dismiss me not on the basis of the information I’m providing.
Does this resonate with anyone?
Edit: thanks for all the feedback! This has given me some material to work with.
Yeah.
I've been working on this, even started to believe I'd gotten good at it.
And still, I'm sitting here this weekend feeling really worthless because I tried to deal with a group of upset people and they took my efforts to help and attacked, judged and rejected me for it.
And I know all of what went on, I know exactly what I'd say to someone who is where I am right now and it doesn't help me today. I hope I feel better tomorrow.
Oil Producers, but Maybe Not the Planet, Get a Win as Climate Talks End
The final agreement, with no direct mention of the fossil fuels dangerously heating Earth, was a victory for countries like Saudi Arabia and Russia, diplomats said.
The Mamdani-Trump Pact and the bankrupt politics of the upper middle class pseudo-left
The Mamdani-Trump Pact and the bankrupt politics of the upper middle class pseudo-left
The immediate political consequence of Mamdani’s visit will be to confuse and disorient the very people who brought him to office.World Socialist Web Site
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Ah.
"Operations"
Reminds me of when Bill Clinton rebranded his wars as "peacekeeping actions".
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Can we just... not?
Can we address the criminals in the white house instead of any criminals outside of our country? Please?
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Same as it ever was.
Ever wonder how many wars got started because of an embarrassed little man of a tyrant? Unfortunately we’re doomed to repeat the same mistakes, I suppose we’re only human. All this fancy high tech bullshit changed everything but also didn’t change a thing.
Covert operations expected to be first step [...] The United States plans on Monday to designate the Cartel de los Soles a foreign terrorist organization [...] The Trump administration has accused Maduro of leading Cartel de los Soles, [...] Washington in August doubled its reward for information leading to Maduro's arrest to $50 million. But U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said last week that the terrorist designation "brings a whole bunch of new options to the United States."
... Are they publicly announcing that they're planning to assassinate the head of a foreign government?!
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Exclusive: China to launch new phase of Nepal operations, sources say
Funny how when you say the US is doing something is perfectly normal and acceptable ... disturbing and troubling but still acceptable
But when you change the country name, then the world loses their minds
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DFRobot router board with a CM4
Yep, you're right. I'm watching my ISP upgrade their cable to docsis 4.0 which will allow for 2g down 1g up. Instead of the garbage 1g down 40mbps up I have now. That upload speed is chaffing.
But I'm looking for a new toy like this because my current router is only 1g.
I'm watching my fiber provider going bankrupt a month before finally patching us online.
I have 3TB of data, I can't back that up with 40 Mbps and occasional 10 min outages!
Got the module some years ago when there were massive shortages. I found a couple CM4s and bought them at the time.
What are you comparing it to?
Trump, 79, Posts Early Morning Meltdown Over Approval Ratings
Trump, 79, Posts Early Morning Meltdown Over Approval Ratings
The president said he had received his “best numbers ever” after a week when he had his worst.Adam Downer (The Daily Beast)
How can you tell if music is AI-generated?
A survey published last week suggested 97% of respondents could not spot an AI-generated song. But there are some telltale signs - if you know where to look.
Here's a quick guide ...
- No live performances or social media presence
- 'A mashup of rock hits in a blender'
A song with a formulaic feel - sweet but without much substance or emotional weight - can be a sign of AI, says the musician and technology speaker, as well as vocals that feel breathless.
- 'AI hasn't felt heartbreak yet'
"AI hasn't felt heartbreak yet... It knows patterns," he explains. "What makes music human is not just sound but the stories behind it."
- Steps toward transparency
In January, the streaming platform Deezer launched an AI detection tool, followed this summer by a system which tags AI-generated music.
How can you tell if music is AI-generated?
As AI-generated music floods streaming platforms, questions bubble over whether listeners are owed more transparency.Jemma Crew (BBC News)
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And the guitarist and the keyboard players sound like they clearly have more than 5 fingers on each hand. 😋
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I fell hard for Dysmn, who was suspiciously dropping new music every few days. I really liked the sound, and I haven't found anything that sounds like that since. 270+ videos in under 2 years. I realized it wasn't human after a month or two.
Soooo, if anybody knows a great jazzy EDM metal noise, let me know.
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Humans are primarily visual creatures, so we can detect the slop in AI images a LOT faster than we can in audio.
Human artists are going to have to get a lot weirder to out-innovate AI music, and I’m actually happy about that. Weird music is the best.
I think this might be a way AI and humans can actually work together. A lot of musicians are creating digitally anyway. They might have to rely on drum loops if they aren’t good at beats. Iterating with an AI to get the right beat would be better than a loop, and still be a human making it.
However, I have reservations about the AI doing everything with little or no human involvement.
Iterating with an AI to get the right beat would be better than a loop
That’s just like, your opinion
Right, pretty sure everyone but you knows it’s an opinion.
I think (think means opinion) most people, besides you, would agree that having a beat that is unique and not just downloaded from a loop library will produce a song that is more original.
“In my imagination I speak for all people and we all think I’m right” chatGPT is literally rotting your brain bro
“The main issue musicians are struggling with is originality; AI can help :)” get a grip. Notice how in order for you to insert “ai” into this process you have to construct a fantasy where a totally uncreative person lazily drags a low quality beat into their project without a further care in the world? The root of your little fantasy here is simple and inescapable: AI is only appealing to boring, uncreative, soulless people. I know it, and you know it, which is why out of all the limitless possibilities your first argument is that it would be superior to something you already consider shit.
“I refuse to have a polite conversation” - you. It’s exactly what you said, because it’s in quotes and I know how to use quotes. Hah.
I disagree.
If a person plays guitar-but not piano, and they feed their track into an AI and ask it to generate a backup piano track with specific instructions about how it should sound, they should be… denied that?
What should they do if they want a track that involves an instrument they can’t play? Hire someone? With what money? lol.
Great job pretending not to know the concept of a summary! Also bonus points for conceding my points by ignoring them and moving on
As for this little game you and all slop pushers like to play where you try to come up with problems that don’t exist so AI can solve them: I can’t help but to notice the main character of your second attempt here doesn’t have any friends they can make music with.
The reason they have no musical friends is most likely because they keep getting ghosted after showing people their humiliating AI demos. It’s gonna be a recurring problem for them until someone is polite enough to tell them the truth to their face
Oh, I see… You’re gatekeeping music. You assume that if a person picks up an instrument that they must want to be in a band. They must have a lot of friends who also play instruments. And they cannot be considered a serious musician unless they play in a group. I think Enya might have something to say about that.
I have the feeling that you feel the same way about all digitally created music, regardless of whether it involve artificial intelligence. You probably think programs like GarageBand have destroyed music. That a person with limited traditional musical skills could outshine you with what is basically a midi controller.
Tell me more about your failed music career.
Your delusions now extend to me! What an honor. Sadly, unlike with your AI girlfriend, you don’t have the ability to just tell me what I believe lmfao. Your brain is cooked
As for the point you’re trying to make: you cannot be considered a serious artist if you smear AI on the walls and then demand the same respect given to actual artists, no.
Digital artists who use “what is basically a midi controller” are actual artists, yes. Wtf are you talking about btw, it’s like you’ve heard of midi controllers but don’t know enough about them to phrase your point properly. Is your entire concept of digital production based on a guitar center advertisement? It would explain why you incorrectly believe AI could possibly assist the creative process.
And you’re the one shitting on digital artists, just so you know. Google how “Umbrella” was made before you so casually throw drum loops under the bus. Drum loops (and….this might blow your mind…piano loops) are collaborations between human artists. Everyone agrees this is legit. The fact you think instrumentalists and producers are somehow enemies reveals how out of touch you are; it’s totally obvious to anyone who actually creates music
I have everything. Nothing you said has changed my mind. Nothing you said has any rational thinking. No matter what point I make, you will say words of disagreement.
You’re just an old person yelling at clouds, or in this case: Computer programs that take inputs in different ways than you are familiar with and output things that are significantly better than you could ever do yourself.
So, tell me again about your failed music career lmao
Oh noooo, not my career, how will it survive the onslaught of tech bros who publish thirty “songs” a day
You’re badly out of date buddy. It’s been hilarious watching slop slurpers humiliate themselves for years on and end then up crying when the obvious scam they invested in achieves nothing. There’s a reason all of your fantasies revolve around undisciplined, talentless losers who feel entitled to success without needing to work for it or collaborate with anybody else.
Do you create your own samples from scratch too? Kudos if you do, I haven't done that since the 90's, and I consider my music original. Ever used an arpeggiator? Or randomized patterns? Used a synth lead that came with the synth?
The distinction between automation and AI breaks down somewhere.
I like to take real life sounds and put layers of effects on them to make them indistinguishable from the original. My drum is me playing my cat’s butt (meow, slap). I love to take quick sounds and slow them down ~100k% and get really weird atmospheric drones, etc.
When it comes to involving AI, which I haven’t done yet, I’d love to use it to quickly iterate over ideas. I spend a lot of time chasing an idea and having it fall apart. I like the process, sure, but I’d prefer to have more wins.
My drum is me playing my cat’s butt (meow, slap).
Hey, man, I feel that.
But yeah I heard a friend of mine also slows down slices and makes new sounds out of them. I have not been able to get to a studio in years, unfortunately, but I hear it can be done!
And that's how I "use" Suno, too. Song ideas. I would never be able to live with myself if I just published an AI song, but I think using it to explore ideas is fair game. But then, you can download the stems in WAV, so you can basically use that instead of buying pre-made tracks from musicians on like Apple Store or whatever.
Which only comes back to the problem that it will likely hurt musicians and make life harder for everyone. I don't know man, I'm just as nonplussed about the whole fucking thing as anyone.
Can't say any legit bands that sound exactly like that, But some of the guitar and metal notes sounds inspired by Polyphia, Playing God (sorry for the yt link) might scratch your itch, otherwise look up the math rock genre, might find some gems there. Wish you the best of luck!
Gonna make a quick edit, Unprocessed 100% deserves a recommendation in this genre. Occasionally have some EDM but mainly more on the metal side, but still have some extraordinary strings akin to Polyphia
I'm enjoying a lot of Unprocessed's Angel album. I'm also going to have to look at Polyphia and Playing God.
Math rock is one of the ways they advertised themselves. Also djent, but I'm not seeing that.
Psyqui is a Japanese EDM artist that has a similar sound. If the melodies and compositions are aigen, it may be a source.
You are the second person to recommend Unprocessed. Almost 10 minutes into the Angel album. It's pretty good, definitely hits the target.
I'll have to check out Polyphia as well.
I'm in the camp of, "if it's good, why should I care?" However, I'm all for transparency! Passing off AI-generated music as human-generated is fraud. Be honest!
There's a LOT of grey areas though. If you're a vocalist and you're using an AI-generated background? How's that any different from pressing "play" on a sequencer or even an audio file (of some sequenced or drum track)?
If you're a lyricist, the actual music isn't as important as the lyrics. Does it matter if they used AI to generate the music or should every lyricist be forced to pay someone to make the music for them or master an instrument (or sequencer)?
What if you're trying to translate your music into a different language and use AI to translate it? Is that AI-generated music? You can give your whole damned song to AI and it'll convert to a different language in-place without having to re-record it. It even uses your singer's voice!
To me, it's incredible technology and it's enabling artists of all kinds to do cool things with their music. It seems rather paternalistic to suggest someone's creativity doesn't "count" if they didn't sweat or spend years practicing to create it.
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You must consider that the AI "helping" the artist is built from the stolen work of countless artists. Regardless of use case, the tool only exists due to theft. Plus, this tool exists as a way to not pay talent for content.
Since the bread and circuses machine must keep dispensing to keep the masses anaesthetized, the elites need a way to cut the costs or they will lose points are their net worth scorecard and get made fun of by the other billionaires.
Not to mention, AI is a shortcut that does not generate skills besides prompt engineering. We have research proving this with students and the labor force losing reasoning and straight memory by handing off to "AI". Part of being a musician is the effort and practice and knowing an instrument. Asking the clanker for a tune because learning takes too long or is too difficult goes along with what the article says for detecting it. The work will be emotionless and have no soul. Musicians are allowed to make choices for their music, of course. AI rounding out an artist's tools is what it is. I view the tool as a corrupting force but, it's their perogative. But people without no knowledge or skill for making music cranking out these generic sounding similacra to make money is always going to set my teeth on edge.
Edit: spelling and tense correction. Revision and expansion of idea to express less derision.
You must consider that the AI “helping” the artist is built from the stolen work of countless artists.
I feel like this is conflating two separate arguments.
Is AI music good, versus is AI music moral.
AI imitates an overall sound. But doesn't care much about "instruments" individually. For simple minimal segments it can easily lay down a simple clear beat or melody. But as more gets added. The more the sound becomes muddy and generic. That and if you're familiar enough with a given instrument. It can often just sound "wrong". Again because the AI is imitating a sound, not an instrument generally.
But yeah. The other points stand. Social media presence and output are great indicators.
Midnight Darkwave is one I'm highly suspicious of. Super generic name. Not much presence beyond the streaming sites. I like the overall sound, but it often gets muddy and kind of droning. And not in the coldwave sort of way. Something a bit more inhuman, over processed, and mechanical.
I can see a creative use for Suno Studio where you can feed it a clip of a chord progression you recorded, have the AI generate a few extrapolations, then arrange bits and pieces of it within Suno Studio to create the basic song structure and finally export the midi to your DAW. Basically, you can use it as a fancy sketchpad.
The problem I can't get past is the environmental impact.
AI is just a tool. It can be used for good things and for bad things.
Huh. I wonder which it's gonna be!
Right? I used to use... Don't remember what the app was on Android, but it was like a fun little beat studio, it could generate random patterns according to styles, and randomize instruments too. So you'd get a loop, then you'd tweak it and switch our instruments and sounds and whatnot, and then when I found a nice rhythm, I recreated it in Ableton or FL Studio or whatever.
So, let's say you use Suno to make a good beat. You import slice and dissect the beat and sounds, and I fail to see how it's qualitatively any different than using sample or loop packs, which basically every fucking musician on the planet does.
"Are we so different, you and I"? 😀
I have used Suno quite extensively just for fun, I insert my own lyrics and let it create different styles and beats, and you have to push out like 30 before it does something actually decent, but some of them are fucking bangers. I consider it like watching visualizations in WinAmp.
I am not stating a moral proposition in either direction, just an observation.
I like to ask it to generate lyrics based on funny prompts. For example, I asked it to write a song from Darth Vader's perspective about the fact that he never actually said "Luke, I am your father". The results was just savage.
Hey Luke\
I heard you kissed your sister on Hoth\
I'm not mad\
I'm just curious\
'Cause I never kissed mine\
Did you like it? Did she like it?\
Do you regret it? Do you feel gross?\
Did it feel weird when she kissed you?\
I know that you never kissed beforeShe got a man (Ooh)\
You got a hand (Ooh)\
And maybe you should stick to what you know\
Oh\
You need to know\I am your father (I am your father)\
Luke\
I am your father (Luke, I am your father)\
No\
I never said that\
I never said that (No, I never said that)\
No
That... Is... Not very good.
BUT! Let's say that you took that and used it as a scaffolding for an idea. Let's say you kept some parts, rewrote some other parts, in the end coming up with something much better than the original.
Did you write it, or did the robot?
How much would you have to change for it to be "yours"? Where's the cutoff point?
I'm just posing this as a general metaphysical conundrum, I don't take a position other than deconstructing underlying arguments.
Fucking shit. I am starting to sound like a god damned AI.
I just thought it was funny that it decided to brutalize Luke all on its own.
She got a man (Ooh)\
You got a hand (Ooh)\
And maybe you should stick to what you know
Also, the incest thing was all the AI. I just asked for a song about the fact that Vader never said the line "Luke, I am your father".
Well then it is not only bad but wildly off topic, because what you got there is a cheap diss track missing a lot of opportunities.
"Hey Luke
I heard you kissed your sister on Hoth"
I mean right there you've got something rhyming with "hot". But anyway.
I think that if you don't know literature and art, dumb literature and art seems genius. And that's where we're at as a society.
I've been trying to figure out if Stone Rebel is an AI band or not. They started in 2018 and have put out something like 77 albums since, but it's relatively simple instrumental. They have almost no information online except a claim that they're "based in France"
Honestly can't tell if they're a legit yet very private group, or if they were early adopters of procgen music
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By a very thin margin, but yes. I'd rather listen to AI slop than the Human slop they try to pass for music these days.
Edit: Ah shit, I realized though that we are just gonna get talentless pop stars using AI instead. So both dog AND cat shit at the same time.
Brave new world.
I am talking about the music that gets played in coffee shops, malls, taxis, hotel lobbies, and restaurants all over the world. So yes, I listen to a LOT of crap.
The distinction is between mass produced radio pop and whatever high brow hipster music you're into.
literally 1984
But also there is still lots of good human music being created, I guess it's passing under your radar. Ask around, browse Bandcamp, listen to radio (hint: it's not just local now, check out Radio Garden).
Hahah he didn't exactly write according to a formula. That's like saying "yeah jimi hendrix is pretty formulaic, because he just plays guitar, with a limited number of chords and strings."
Edit: On second thought, the above is not a fair comparison at all, and there is a point to the mathematical nature of Bach, I just couldn't express it in a coherent and snarky way at the same time.
Bullshit. This only applies to fully prompt generated AI music. Tracks that heavily rely on AI based tech as a part of the process are harder to catch, and tracks that only use AI for mixing and mastering are impossible to detect.
I made a track but used AI to autotune and morph my voice to that of a woman's. It even allowed me to tweak the expressiveness of the voice. The track is 95% human made but the vocals are AI modified. I'm willing to bet that the ration of AI use in a lot of pop music and EDM is a lot higher.
PS: I make music for myself, as a hobby. I just wanted to make something to share with my friends. If you want real music, try bands like Wet Leg, IDLES, GEESE, etc who lean into making low tech music.
EDIT: Thia is an example of a song that is fully generated by AI. All that was fed to the prompt were the lyrics. The AI did everything else itself, including picking the genre. I shared it with a few people to see who'd figure out it was AI slop.
Compression throws me off.
That AI 'hiss' is ringing it my ears, but its very, very similar to YT uploads that have been re-encoded like 10 times. Which is a lot of them.
Out of curiosity, I made spectrograms of the AI song and concert that sounds 'clean' yet kinda noisy/compressed to me. I won't tell you which one is which:
Source song, if you are curious:
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That song was a mistake that got generated when I pasted the wrong clipboard into Suno's Lyrics window on my phone and accidentally submitted it. It has not been processed at all. Suno has a "Remaster" feature that when you are happy with the generated song you can give it a few automated "mix and mastering" passes to generate a cleaner and more dynamic sound.
I've mainly used Suno to mess about so I didn't want to pay for the upgrade.
Frequency.
A couple months ago, I found a really cool remake of one of the songs from KPop Demon Hunters. Everyone was doing covers of those songs, and many of them were indie artists, and I was rolling through them. So I found this video, and the video was just an image effect on the cover, which looked very AI-generated, but it's just the cover image, right? Who cares about that? I asked them in the comments if they would release their stuff on Apple Music. And they quickly responded — no, they're going to leave that money on the table, and have decided to stay exclusive to YouTube. Why would an artist choose to do that? Sure, a couple artists pulled their music off all other streaming platforms when they made their own, or their friends did. Garth Brooks has never been on streaming (except Amazon, I think they're the only one whose ethics he agrees with or something?). But most indie artists are on all the platforms. Maximise revenue. So these people saying no, not only to Apple Music — maybe they didn't like Apple kissing up to Trump — but also to Spotify, Amazon, Deezer, and all the rest. Turns out most of those platforms are stricter when it comes to AI music.
But here's the thing — their songs are still by the original artist. They're just stripping out the lyrics and putting new music to the lyrics. And that music is AI generated. Or so I later learned. I looked more into the YouTube channel, and they say they will make you a cover of a song, in any style you like, for $200. And they have hundreds of uploads... in a few months. Each song may have five or six variants. And the songs are still fine, but they have a generic, plastic, not real feel to them.
Of course, they also qualify the first thing in OP's summary, no social media presence. They just have the sales site, and the YouTube channel.
But maybe it's fine, or at least less bad, that they're taking existing songs and just remixing them with AI? Only they're saying the covers are better, and they're monetising the videos, so they're getting paid for the streams when that money should be going to the original artist. It's fine if they actually covered the song and recorded it, but having a computer do all the heavy lifting? Just seems scummy.
I'm not going to name & shame, but if you look up KPDH covers and see something that looks like AI slop with click-bait titles... you've probably found the right one. (They cover other stuff too, not just KPDH.)
Garth Brooks has never been on streaming (except Amazon)
Garth Brooks is available on every single music streaming service I know about. 🤨
This description of AI songs could be a lament about most pop music: formulaic, sweet, generic, produced in a studio to sound perfect, not human. Works on radio or Spotify, but not so much for a live audience.
Sure, that's hard to detect. AI reproduces what we've been exposed to for decades.
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I passed, but I'm fairly confident I wouldn't have if it weren't explicitly a test. I listened to all of them twice, with the express purpose of identifying the ones that are AI-generated.
Even then, I wasn't as confident in my prediction as I would have liked.
I'll say, I did enjoy all of them musically, but when I paid closer attention to the lyrics, I noticed something really odd and hard to describe in the ones generated by AI. Like some new kind of cringe. Like it would be embarrassing for a human to have written those lines, but not in a relatable kind of way. Not in the usual "I'm embarrassed for you" kind of way.
I was torn between "I hope this isn't AI, I'm vibing with the music" and "I hope no human wrote these lyrics".
The whole exercise also shattered my perception of my own taste in music - I liked all of the AI-generated ones and I'm not happy about it.
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And the Records Department, after all, was itself only a
single branch of the Ministry of Truth, whose primary job
was not to reconstruct the past but to supply the citizens
of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen
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programmes, plays, novels—with every conceivable kind of
information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to
a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from
a child’s spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary. And the
Ministry had not only to supply the multifarious needs of
the party, but also to repeat the whole operation at a lower
level for the benefit of the proletariat. There was a whole
chain of separate departments dealing with proletarian lit-
erature, music, drama, and entertainment generally. Here
were produced rubbishy newspapers containing almost
nothing except sport, crime and astrology, sensational
five-cent novelettes, films oozing with sex, and sentimen-
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means on a special kind of kaleidoscope known as a ver-
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If you can't tell the difference and it fits how you listen to music, I guess who cares?
AI software writing up musak doesn't matter to me because I don't listen to music that way.
I'll know the bands I'm listening to are real because I will have manually downloaded their music after reading reviews, magazine articles, or things like albumoftheyear.org just like I've been doing for the last half decade.
Music streaming services suck and not only because they will promote low cost bands to you. If you actually give a shit about music then stop being so lazy as to have an algorithm fill your trough with slop and then being surprised that it's AI slop.
Or just continue eating the slop if it pleases you. 🤷
It's a bit of a contrarian take, but I think people need to start adding more intentionality to how they live their lives. If music is unimportant to you, that's fine. But nowadays everyone just watches the shows they're recommended, listens to the music that is picked out by the algorithm, and reads what is fed to them in their feeds...figure out what's important to you and curate it for yourself.
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Look, the guy has a point. This is a very real metaphysical conundrum. Who would've guessed that we would have a whole new metaphysical conundrum to sink our teeth in in 2025?
It's an important conversation, and interesting. I have very strong opinions on art, but I can't quite wrap my head around how to relate to AI generated art.
I can’t quite wrap my head around how to relate to AI generated art.
Simple. It's not about art at all. But about "artists".
Let's use an example. Let's say that you're a rich person and you want to hire someone to paint a landscape portrait for you. You tell them in detail exactly what you want and they go and do it. Does that make you an artist? Of course not. It makes you the procurer
So if we replace that hired painter with a computer, does that mean that because no human artist was involved that the title of "artist" automatically reverts to the procurer, meaning the person that told the computer what to do? No.
Regardless of who (or what) creates the art, the person telling them/it what to paint isn't a damn artist and doesn't deserve any financial reward.
Your contention is, as far as I understand, that a person who uses AI to create AI art, is not an artist. Ok. I don't think so either, necessarily.
But when you use the word "deserve" you also make another argument, which is financial and political in nature, which is a qualitatively different proposition. I don't disagree with you there either, necessarily.
I am not taking sides by the way. Like I said, I have not been successful in navigating the problem space enough to have a single strong unified position on all of it, just bits and pieces, not strongly, and the pieces don't fit.
I was looking for videogame remixes one day and found a channel doing Little Nemo from the NES. I used to love that game and thought it was an odd pick for remixes, one you don't see too often so I clicked on it and ... it was incredibly underwhelming. I listened for a few minutes and something was kind of off but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. It was AI of course.
I'm not much of a music person, I've been listening to it daily for my entire life but I don't know much about theory. Still, when it comes to remixes, you can usually tell why someone remixed a song. They like that particular song, or there's a motif that really struck them. They'll pick out certain sounds or elements and build on them, single them out and rearrange them. It's very intentional and you can tell.
AI-generated remixes lack this intentionality. It was like someone had twisted a dial that just said "complexity" and that was it. There were more intricate layers of beats and instrumentation on top, but it wasn't doing anything. I sat there and listened for 15 minutes and it was like I heard nothing. Nothing new stuck in my head, there was no riff or little melody that made go, "Aw fuck yeah! This is what it's about!"
That's how you can tell AI generated music.
Sadly, a lot of slower and minimalist genres have been decimated by it though. Vaporwave, chillcore, dungeonsynth. A lot of these had large bodies of work to train on and it's a lot harder to tell due to their subtler nature, but you'll usually notice the artist has a new hour-long upload every day. If you click through it at random, you'll begin to notice that while the tones shift, the overall pattern of the entire hour-long mix is still kind of the same?
It's bleak, man. Fuck that shit.
This is kind of irrelevant to the argument, but if I were to provide you with a mix of AI and organically produced music, would you be able to pick them out every time?
It's a bit like Andy Warhol's "Brillo box" art installation. Is it just a Brillo box he got at the store? Or did he make it himself, thereby creating "art"? Could you know the difference? Would you?
As a fun aside, a permanent exhibition of one of "his" Brillo boxes turned out to be fake (well, real, if you think about it, which is kind of the point of that piece of Warhol's art), and there was a huge investigation into who had taken the "original", but people had been coming and seen the exhibition for decades at that point, not knowing it was actually just a Brillo box.
I think this touches on the complexity of the issues presented by AI that is actually a pretty ancient philosophical debate around art, meaning, and value.
This is kind of irrelevant to the argument, but if I were to provide you with a mix of AI and organically produced music, would you be able to pick them out every time?
I'd like to think much more often than not, yes. People talk about it being able to replicate low level pop and ... fine. But that's not really the kind of stuff I listen to. Maybe there's a statement to be made there about how far down pop has fallen that it can be mistaken with formulaic AI slop ...
It’s a bit like Andy Warhol’s “Brillo box” art installation. Is it just a Brillo box he got at the store? Or did he make it himself, thereby creating “art”? Could you know the difference? Would you?
Which I guess is what your point here is. What is art and who is the arbiter of that?
Kind of different circumstances as I see it, though. Andy Warhol still performed the art of the Brillo box. He took something basic and skillfully crafted it into art to prod the artistic community into considering what we think of as art and why. It was in no way a trick but a very deliberate and intentional statement, or question even.
AI on the other hand often feels like a trick. There is little to no intention, no human craft, and an effort to pass it off as a higher form of art than it really is. It's not asking questions or making statements but an effort to deliver "content" to fill some need. The need for more content.
But like, hey. That's just my opinion, maaan ...
You misread what I wrote. I didn't say it couldn't fool me, I said I'll never pay for it. I'm not interested in fabricated emotional connections to fake art, even if it's faked well enough to trick me. All this means is that I'm going to be researching the bands and artists I listen to, which I already do anyways.
There really isn't anything unique anyway in human made content
100% pure, unadulterated bullshit.
Sometimes experimental/improv groups can basically make an album a day if they put their mind to it. Often live recorded with minimal post processing. It’s far from mainstream but it can be surprisingly popular among the right audiences.
Haven’t checked out this particular project but it’s possible
Look, I hate AI as much as the next person, but honestly, I think a lot of AI music is better than whatever dumb shit they play on radio literally all across the world.
Text AI is meh.
Image AI is meh.
Video AI is not bad.
Music AI is pretty good.
Edit: Wow, tough crowd, tough crowd. I stand by what I said.
I am not sure I quite follow. I mean yeah good comparison with Hatsune Miku, but I mean it genuinely- I would rather listen to some AI generated beats I "made" "myself" over the absolute auditive brain diarrhea they play in coffee shops all around the world, it's the same lowest common denominator manufactured pop drivel that I can't escape from one side of the planet to the other.
Thanks, I'll take random techno beats with Bach fugues and Chopin leads with a Rasta rhythm over that any day. At least it doesn't desperately try to make a case for itself being great art.
I hate the fact that it is owned and controlled and developed and manipulated by modern self made kings. I hate the fact that it has tremendous destructive power. I hate the fact that it will be used to control global discourse, empower militaries, and only serve to solidify the profound wealth gap already ingrained in and promoted by the fabric of our economic system.
But hey, if you feel like you need to gatekeep hating AI, knock yourself out, I guess I will never achieve your level of purity.
1) A LOT of people, especially blue collar folk, listen to fully advertised radio schlock every single minute of their working day, and they work very long days.
2) WiFi is technically radio.
3) Neither 1) nor 2) matters, because the word "radio" encompasses a fuzzy category of media content regardless of how it's being provided. People still go to the "movies" even though we've had "talkies" since 1910. We still watch film even when it's shot digitally.
My first experience with AI music was when I was on my usual 90s hip-hop/rap vibe and got recommended some channels with alleged underground hits. There definitely were a couple channels that put out legit mixes that did have a lot of music and artists I didn't know prior, but one of the mixes was weird. I could tell immediately, less than a minute in, mainly because of the vocals that sounded super generic as well kind of robotic in addition to a very out of place beat that doesn't sound at all like it'd belong in the 90s/2000s era of rap music. Had it not been for the vocals in tandem with the mismatched beat (obviously created by someone who doesn't know jack about the music genre and the ear it's supposed to represent), I might not have spotted the AI involved.
The scary and sad part is that I doubt YouTube will do anything about it despite reports and that there are so many people that either don't care or don't know/realise. Only saw like one or two other comments calling out that mix having been made with AI
AI has no story to tell, didn't broke up with someone to write a song, and certainly won't make star gaze the live concert I went to.
- dumbass nonsensical lyrics
- bland basic bitch tone
- superfluous background music
- digital voice that sounds like it's been through a syth incorrectly
even shit music takes effort and talent.
AI is literally the theft of talent and the absence of effort.
literally the theft of talent and the absence of effort.
You've just described 100% of the record labels.
even shit music takes effort and talent.
Hm, not really unless you consider effort anything that's non-zero.
I just shat my pants.I just shat my pants.
Shit got so itchy,
I just shat my pants.
There you go. It took me 10 seconds of effort to come up with that masterpiece. Where's my Grammy?
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Okay okay. First off, fuck AI yeah. But if it's becoming this indistinguishable where you need to go looking for tells that it's AI I don't think it's fair to call it bad music, just how it got there is bad.
It's like listening to Kanye West. Graduation is amazing but fuck him.
Hard disagree, because it's like with all the other forms of AI-created slop - with the real thing there's layers of meaning, and you spend time and mental energy digging into that and getting something from it. But as with AI art and AI prose, you try looking closer at it and it just makes you feel hollow and frustrated at having wasted your time.
There was no meaning, there was no symbolism, there were no clever literary allusions, there was no interplay between the melody and the lyrics, it's just superficial garbage that tricks you into giving it attention by sounding good on its first listen.
(Edit: lol touched a nerve with some shit talentless musicians)
I listened to Kanye for years before he publicly became a Nazi and I don't think the breadth of his mind changed overnight.
I spent years defending his off-putting public personality because his music touched me from the start.
I really think our pattern seeking monkey brains are easily tricked enough to find meaning in a pile of garbage if we believe hard enough and AI represents this, not proves against it.
Not everyone can draw, or play music, or make movies. Not everyone has the time or money to put everything together thats needed to make something like a good song or a good movie. AI tools are going to give more people those chances, and yes there is going to be slop, but theres already been slop for decades that was all 100% human being made, that had no meaning, no symbolism, no clever literay allusions. So what exactly is the problem with people using AI generate something?
I don't mind if the work is generated by AI. A dude could randomly pour some ink on a paper and try and sell it to me. If I like it, I'll buy it.
My issue with AI is the fact that it harms people, and I wish I was exaggerating.
I dreamed of a future like this one when I was a kid. But not at the expense of mass layoffs and the benefits going to a few folks.
But there is more human crap out there made each day than there is great works
And now, thanks to AI, we can expect 100x more shit to wade through! Great success!
Not everyone can draw, or play music, or make movies. Not everyone has the time or money to put everything together thats needed to make something like a good song or a good movie.
If the author does not want to spend time learning and doing, then I don't want to spend time checking whatever they asked an AI to do.
So what exactly is the problem with people using AI generate something?
Lower barrier of entry for profit-seeking bullshitters. A significant usage of AI is done by people wanting to profit off it somehow. SEO optimized garbage sites, videos that get lots of views on yt/ttk/insta, playing spotify on repeat forever.
Oh, there's also the problem of all the deepfakes that people WILL believe, whatever the intent was: revenge porn, political manipulation, trolling.
If the author does not want to spend time learning and doing, then I don't want to spend time checking whatever they asked an AI to do.
Not everyone has the luxury to spend time learning those skill sets. Should the single parent who had a dream to make art who is getting crushed by capitalism, works 3 jobs to make ends meet and literally doesnt have time to learn there passion without starving not also deserve to be able to express themselves? What do you want only the privileged rich people who have time to dedicate large portions of their life without impact on their finances to be the only ones putting out art? How does someone like Taylor swift who's whole career came about because her parents could spend so much money on getting her training and paying for studio time in some of the most expensive studios more deserving of getting to make art because of circumstances most people dont have the opportunity to participate in?
Lower barrier of entry for profit-seeking bullshitters
Oh no poor people might be able to make money off of art instead of only massive corporations that effectively already killed the human spirit in art already. Oh no someone who may have gone to school for art so they can express themselves may no longer be able to get a job at an ad company where their love for art gets extinguished as they have to constantly make soulless logos for mega corps based on advise from advertising psychologist who define what will tingle peoples brain more to make them want to consume more.
The problem your scared about already happens but is dressed up as human expression today by pr departments because people do it. If anything AI art would counter that because now more people will be producing things for the sole reason of expressing themselves instead of needing to take a soul crushing job eroding the expression of their craft for a corporation to make up for the years of debt they incurred by going to school to follow their passion only to find out the field they went into is a farce.
Oh, there's also the problem of all the deepfakes that people WILL believe, whatever the intent was: revenge porn, political manipulation, trolling.
People believe anything already, people believed random hearsay in the past. The only counter for any type of manipulation like this whether being based in deep fakes or just someone spewing nonsense on a pod cast is critical thinking skills. AI doesnt change that one bit, if someone doesnt want to think critically about something they wont, they don't need AI today to practice cognitive dissonance and blocking AI wont stop that behavior only focusing on education and critical thinking skills will.
Glad to see that you lack an understanding of scale, that explains a lot.
Should the single parent who had a dream to make art who is getting crushed by capitalism, works 3 jobs to make ends meet and literally doesnt have time to learn there passion without starving not also deserve to be able to express themselves?
They're not expressing themselves if all they're doing is the equivalent of a boss telling a worker to do something. This is also called "commissioning an artist"
Oh no poor people might be able to make money off of art instead of only massive corporations that effectively already killed the human spirit in art already. Oh no someone who may have gone to school for art so they can express themselves may no longer be able to get a job at an ad company where their love for art gets extinguished as they have to constantly make soulless logos for mega corps based on advise from advertising psychologist who define what will tingle peoples brain more to make them want to consume more.
This whole paragraph is such a display of bad faith that I can't even figure what's your position. My best guess: a lot of words to dodge the problem.
The problem your scared about already happens but is dressed up as human expression today by pr departments because people do it. If anything AI art would counter that because now more people will be producing things for the sole reason of expressing themselves instead of needing to take a soul crushing job eroding the expression of their craft for a corporation to make up for the years of debt they incurred by going to school to follow their passion only to find out the field they went into is a farce.
Yeah, nothing like getting a soul crushing job that doesn't involve art, so that my artistic spirit can remain unfulfilled forever while I pretend to boss around a prompt and think I did something. Refer back to my first point of this reply.
People believe anything already, people believed random hearsay in the past. The only counter for any type of manipulation like this whether being based in deep fakes or just someone spewing nonsense on a pod cast is critical thinking skills. AI doesnt change that one bit, if someone doesnt want to think critically about something they wont, they don’t need AI today to practice cognitive dissonance and blocking AI wont stop that behavior only focusing on education and critical thinking skills will.
It's a matter of scale. That you failed to grasp something so simple says a lot.
Maybe people with be more protective of their art from here on out and stop trying to make a mill off of clout.
We gave the tech companies or data. We are reaping the consequences.
If your concerns are ethical, then you should be consuming only indie music from unsigned artists
...who could be using AI, lol.
I don't know if people are still making sampled music, but this thought occurred to me the other day.
What if I prompted certain phrased, riffs, and hooks that never existed instead of making a complete song.
Then I made a song using samples in my work.
Is this a new song? AI? A mix? Seems plausible that someone is doing this now.
I pretty much only listen to live music anymore anyways, because everything else is so produced it might as well be AI.
Is this a new song? AI? A mix?
Just send kinda sad that you'd give up trying to make up new riffs and stuff, seems like a really fun and important part of music
COP30 in Brazil fails to secure new pledges to cut fossil fuels - follow live
COP30 approves the key deal in this year's talks, the Global Mutirão - although it does not promise a path on fossil fuel cuts
Fights over fossil fuels and money appear to have deadlocked the climate talks - with some countries saying the deal "falls far short" of addressing crucial challenges
The final meeting of COP30 has now been temporarily suspended after Colombia's fiery intervention - we'll keep bringing you updates as they land
No agreement reached on new pledges to cut fossil fuels at COP30 in Brazil
"We know some of you had greater ambitions," says COP30's president after negotiations among nearly 200 countries ran over time.BBC News
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Oh really?
Our overlords who've been working for decades to make us poorer just so they can enrich themselves show zero interest in saving the world from very preventable catastrophe, yet again, after doing the same shit for the last decades?
How surprising!
I've been saying it for a while now, until proper action on climate action is taken, the social contract is broken.
Take back what you can from the capitalist class where you can safely and without harming anyone innocent. It's morally acceptable. This shouldn't be controversial.
Well, we can try again next time. Let's build another metropolis in the middle of a tropical forest and send thousands of people with airplanes.
Ps: if the new city in the middle of nowhere doesn't have enough beds because they cutted trees too slowly, it's ok to rent some cruise ships to host the people. The neat part is that they're self sufficient, they burn oil to generate electricity
I am not surprised. Nothing substantial and binding ever came since the Paris Climate agreement in 2015. Because the key word is: non-binding. No one will get punished for not meeting the climate targets. Nicaragua is right not signing it initially because they think the Paris deal did not go far enough. The world wide climate fund went to vanity projects of corrupt politicians and businesses because those projects qualified for "green initiatives".
Wake me up when carbon emissions actually decreased by 90% and the worst offenders are put in jail.
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'Sound ripped through my ears': Thousands deafened by Israeli bombing in Gaza
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/39334910
By Hedaya al-Tatar in Gaza City, occupied Palestine
Published date: 22 November 2025 13:00 GMT
Two Palestinian boys lie next to each other at al-Wafa medical rehabilitation hospital in Gaza.Their mother, Aya Abu Auda, speaks to them softly, but neither child reacts.
The brothers, Elias Abu al-Jibeen, 5, and Ismail Abu al-Jibeen, 8, were wounded during Israeli bombardment on their displacement camp in Gaza City’s Tel al-Hawa neighbourhood on 31 August.
The attack left Elias completely deaf and Ismail with severe hearing loss.
Just a year earlier, Abu Auda had fled her home in northern Gaza after Israeli missiles flattened it and killed her husband.
'Sound ripped through my ears': Thousands deafened by Israeli bombing in Gaza
By Hedaya al-Tatar in Gaza City, occupied Palestine
Published date: 22 November 2025 13:00 GMTTwo Palestinian boys lie next to each other at al-Wafa medical rehabilitation hospital in Gaza.Their mother, Aya Abu Auda, speaks to them softly, but neither child reacts.
The brothers, Elias Abu al-Jibeen, 5, and Ismail Abu al-Jibeen, 8, were wounded during Israeli bombardment on their displacement camp in Gaza City’s Tel al-Hawa neighbourhood on 31 August.
The attack left Elias completely deaf and Ismail with severe hearing loss.
Just a year earlier, Abu Auda had fled her home in northern Gaza after Israeli missiles flattened it and killed her husband.
Gaza: Israeli blasts deafen thousands as treatment is blocked
Two Palestinian boys lie next to each other at al-Wafa medical rehabilitation hospital in Gaza. Their mother, Aya Abu Auda, speaks to them softly, but neither child reacts.Hedaya al-Tatar (Middle East Eye)
Running GoToSocial on an old wifi router
Someone on another Lemmy instance raised the question of whether an old wifi router could make a usable server of some sort, specifically a decade-old Google AC-1304. Since I happened to have a couple hanging around, I decided to give it a try.
I wrote a little about my experience in my blog but to summarize, I thought it would be fun to se if I could run a GoToSocial instance entirely on the router. It has an ARMv7 processor, 4GB of storage, and 512MB of RAM, so it falls a smidge short of the recommended minimum specs, but I figured that I might be able to get by if I kept the instance simple.
Surprisingly, GTS seemed to run fine after some basic configuration tweaks. The biggest issue I encountered was actually with ffmpeg, rather than GTS itself. The only GTS build available for ARMv7 is a nowasm build, meaning that it's missing the built-in media handling components, and instead relies on ffmpeg being proveded by the host system. The version of ffmpeg that ships with the OS I'm using (OpenWRT) didn't have the needed codecs to create webp files, which GTS requires when dealing with media. Using the OpenWRT SDK, I tried to build an ffmpeg package with the correct codecs, but it still failed to properly convert files to webp. My goal was just to run GTS, though, so I that digging deeper into ffmpeg felt like a tangent I didn't want to pursue.
But I digress. The instance is now online and running (though without media), and I created a simple bot account, named Gale, who will post a random fact about wifi and networking each day.
Feel free to give 'em a follow in your favorite Mastodon client at @gale@gts-googlewifi.k3can.us or you can view past toots here
Just wanted to share!
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Great work, but I just want to share the stupid comment of
"Looks like a cup of internet"
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Very, cool. But I can't help to notice the very odd placement of the ethernet ports on that router?
Edit: Ah, I see:
Very cool - I think there is promise in Openwrt routers becoming more than just routers - I posted about it here in selfhosted a while back - lemmy.radio/post/10217918
My Dream of a Home Router / Server
What if you could buy off the shelf a box based on #opensource software and hardware that you could plug into your internet connection. You could connect to via Wifi and it would allow an average person to fairly easily configure, via a guided setup, a self hosted Cloud Drive, Social Media server, home automation service, VPN end point, email server and other commonly useful software?What if that box allowed that person's friends to authenticate and to that box and link a box they own, either close by or remotely. It could extend connectivity and estabilish a chain of trus, provide a level of encrypted backup of content from that box and make assertions about the users on that box such as - This user account is owned by this person, this user account is over 18?
This is a dream. I know I'm rambling. #openwrt, #yunohost, #seflhost, #chainoftrust, #fediverse !Selfhosted
should it be in NAND or NOR??
Why not both? My initial idea was to flash to NOR and then configure openwrt to a sort of "minimal usable state". That is, I'd have the basic functions required run my home network: basic routing between local networks and WAN. Then I'd copy that image to NAND and that would be when I installed the "extras", like SQM and whatnot. That way, if I ever broke it beyond repair, I could just flip the switches and copy the NOR back to NAND and start over with that minimal usable config.
I sort of followed my plan, but I think things have changed enough that it would not be the simple restart that I hoped it would.
I still think it's a good idea, though.
... my family still has these as actual WiFi routers. the coverage kinda sucks.
Canada and the EU are quietly reinforcing NATO’s northern flank -- [Opinion]
cross-posted from: scribe.disroot.org/post/573548…
This is an opinionated piece by Andrew Latham, professor of international relations at Macalester College in Saint Paul, Minn., a senior fellow at the Institute for Peace and Diplomacy and a non-resident fellow at Defense Priorities in Washington.
Addition to insert the official statement by the Canadian government: Security and defence partnership between the European Union and Canada
Archived link...
Canada and the European Union have signed a new Security and Defence Partnership focused on cyber defense, maritime security, hybrid threats and industrial resilience. It may sound like bureaucratic routine, but in fact it represents the next step in the evolution of Canada’s grand strategy: a consolidation of its northern vocation as an Arctic and North Atlantic power.
For years, Ottawa’s strategic posture has been scattered — globalist rhetoric masking an absence of focus. That era is ending. With this agreement, Canada is beginning to align its diplomatic and defense priorities with the geography that truly defines its security: the northern approaches.
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The partnership builds on decades of cooperation but carries new strategic weight in a world of revived spheres of influence. As Russia militarizes the High North and China pushes Arctic shipping and data routes, Canada and Europe are binding together their defenses of the North Atlantic and Arctic seas.
The focus on cyber resilience and hybrid threats echoes the growing anxiety about undersea cables, satellite networks and energy infrastructure — the connective tissue of modern power that is increasingly vulnerable to disruption.
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The industrial side of the partnership deserves more attention than it has received. The joint declaration calls for stronger supply-chain integration, cybersecurity cooperation and joint production in key sectors such as munitions and aerospace. This is not just about trade; it is about strategic endurance.
The U.S. is straining to supply both Ukraine and its Indo-Pacific posture. Europe is rearming but remains dependent on fragmented supply lines. Canada’s integration with Europe’s industrial base offers a way to build redundancy into the alliance — to strengthen the defense-industrial fabric that keeps deterrence credible in a protracted contest of attrition.
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Canada’s partnership with the EU is an act of adaptation, not defection — a recognition that the Arctic and the North Atlantic are now central theaters of global power, and that securing them is both Canada’s duty and opportunity.
Seen through this lens, Ottawa’s strategic posture begins to look more coherent. The same logic that drove its focus on undersea cable protection, Arctic over-the-horizon radar and modernized continental defense now extends outward into transatlantic collaboration. Canada is not turning away from the United States but is reinforcing the northern shield that protects both continents.
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Canada and the EU are quietly reinforcing NATO’s northern flank -- [Opinion]
*This is an opinionated piece by Andrew Latham, professor of international relations at Macalester College in Saint Paul, Minn., a senior fellow at the Institute for Peace and Diplomacy and a non-resident fellow at Defense Priorities in Washington.scribe.disroot.org
Cross-social app
I know that by using my instance website i can do it but i'd like to have an app.
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GitHub - DimensionDev/Flare: All your Mastodon, Bluesky, Misskey, X, RSS feeds, in one APP.
All your Mastodon, Bluesky, Misskey, X, RSS feeds, in one APP. - DimensionDev/FlareGitHub
Thank you! I am gonna follow the project to see if there is any development for Lemmy
Edit: i don't see Lemmy in the roadmap sadly...
with a single account (isn't that the point of the fediverse?).
Absolutely not.
I'm not sure why people see Lemmy, Mastodon, Pixelfed, Peertube, Loops, etc as all the same thing that should all be one app.
They might communicate with the same protocol, but they have vastly different uses, interfaces, styles, and experience. It's like saying you want one vehicle that drives like a motorcycle, haules the kids around, gets great mileage, and can tow 20,000lbs.
All your tools fit in the same toolbox, but you use each one separately for the use it's best suited. Then you put it down and pick up another. Sure you can make a multi-tool but it won't do any job as well as a proper dedicated tool. It'll just kinda work if you have no better option.
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Police charge 11 protesters after climate flotilla prevents coal ship from entering Newcastle harbour [Australia]
Thousands of protesters, including Australian Greens leader, gather for annual climate protest in world’s largest coal export port
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How far can we go?
cross-posted from: feddit.org/post/21968684
Wie weit schaffen wir es dieses Mal? - Fediverse ExperimentHow far will it go this time?
This post from #Mastodon can reach the whole #Fediverse, #Bluesky & more.
That's #Sharkey, #Misskey, #Pixelfed, #Mbin, #Lemmy, #Friendica, #Hometown, #Akkoma…If you see it, please share it.
Heise Medien on Mastodon
Der Mastodon-Server von und für Heise Medien und insb. die Nachrichten von heise online.Mastodon, gehostet auf social.heise.de
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Australian Coalition’s tortuous decision to abandon the climate target was built on a big lie
Coalition puts internal politics above all else
Two thoughts come rushing to mind as I attempt to follow the ridiculous and irresponsible machinations of the two opposition parties over Australia’s climate targets, especially net zero by 2050.John Hewson (The Saturday Paper)
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New Zealanders are leaving the country in record numbers, mainly to Australia
ABC News
ABC News provides the latest news and headlines in Australia and around the world.Alice Angeloni (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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It's almost entirely the cost of living VS income, very little to do with politics.
I don't know how to describe how stupid leaving NZ for Australia because of politics would be.
there is no cause for alarm, noting that global workforce flows continue to bring skilled migrants into the country
Hey USA, this is the time. Not next year, right. This. Minute.
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I'd love to move to NZ but your immigration laws are insane...
I'm austrian and it's basically impossible to move to NZ for me
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When I was in NZ it was a fabulous country with really friendly people. Even the cops.
But this was 20 years ago. Though it sounds like it was a great place under Jacinta too.
Ignore the doomer. There are some ratty old houses around, but there are also plenty of places that are modern and well insulated. We've had something of a building boom over the last few years, driven in large part due to changes in zoning rules, so a huge number of town houses and apartments have been built. It's also possible to retrofit insulation to an extent, which we've done in our house. We now have underfloor and ceiling insulation, as well as double glazed windows.
A lot of rentals have been retrofitted wherever possible, as there are now minimum standards for rental properties.
There's a lot of things the Ardern government failed on. Cost of living, cost of housing, both to rent and to buy, child poverty, they all got measurably worse under her government.
She's viewed far more favourably than she deserves to be, especially internationally where their failures didn't make the news.
A businessman-cum-conservative leads the country since 2023, in coalition with far-right populists.
After two terms of Labour government.
Pretty much the same happened in my country, and yes, the effects are palpable, esp. if you work in the public or social sector.
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Yeah, it must be quite jarring to go from this badass
to Kiwi Trump in just a couple years!
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Left got complacent, while the right stoked fear with lies and propaganda.
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Obama was not a badass, he was a charismatic young illegal drone striking war criminal who reversed course on several key campaign promises.
He wasn't Trump, but he wasn't a leftist workers hero, you deserve and should demand better than Democrats.
Also, there was a lot more hope than change.
Ultimately, Obama did a perfect job executing neoliberalism. And by demonstrating the outcomes of neoliberalism when perfectly executed, I think he also executed neoliberalism in the other meaning.
Something to remember when reading these headlines, is that Australia is a ridiculously wealthy country, in large part due to mineral wealth, and anyone in NZ can just go there and get a job.
It has almost nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with making more money.
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If that's the case why is it record numbers now?
Australia has had mineral wealth for a very long time, that's nothing new.
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That's fair, but that's due to politics.
Wealth and quality of life are hugely dependent upon the politics of a place.
Which form of politics is correct is a debate that has existed since forever, but there's no getting away from the fact that politics determines wealth, quality of life, and ultimately whether people wish to immigrate, emigrate, or stay put.
Well, that and the weather 😝
I have some bad news for kiwis coming over here...
Here are some raw official statistics:
stats.govt.nz/information-rele…
After having a look at the graphs: The data looks pretty normal and is within the previously observed boundaries.
On a side note:
1. +1 for the goverment website, other countries could learn from that
2. Also nice to have non US news here for once
International migration: July 2025 | Stats NZ
Annual net migration was 13,100 (± 1,400) in the July 2025 year, compared with a net gain of 63,600 (± 200) in the July 2024 year. Migrant arrivals were 140,500 (± 1,000), down 20 percent, and migrant departures were 127,400 (± 1,100), up 14 percent.www.stats.govt.nz
In the 1970s, when the NZ Prime Minister Robert Muldoon was asked about the high numbers of New Zealanders leaving for Australia he replied:
"It raises the IQ of both countries".
Just brilliant!
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Frustrations grow in Russia over cellphone internet outages that disrupt daily life
cross-posted from: lemmy.today/post/42209343
When Russians look back at 2025, they might remember it as the year when the government took even tighter control of the internet.Credit cards that won’t buy a ticket on public transport. ATMs that don’t connect to a network. Messaging apps that are down. Cellphones that don’t receive texts or data after a trip abroad. Mothers of diabetic children even complain with alarm that they can’t monitor their kids’ blood glucose levels during outages.
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With gloomy pictures showing people using their phones and looking unhappy, contrasted with people walking together holding hands and smiling.
(Seen on Jake Broe on youtube.)
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Boo hoo. While your culture makes lives miserable worldwide, you have slow internet.
God Russia is a hell hole.
The background: Ukraine didn't have 30 years to refine its cruise missiles and long range strike drones - they built them in 3 years.
There are many ways to make a missile navigate.
- it may follow terrain features (hard, you need to thoroughly map a country using a fleet of satellites)
- it may take readings from a satnav system (this can be jammed)
- it may scan for mobile phone towers and match their ID codes to a map
Once a missile has the direction of 2..3 towers confirmed, it knows where it is - and where to go. Crashing into the final target uses machine vision, but getting there does not.
As a result, Russia tries to counter them by shutting down mobile networks. Not sure if it works. Going by the news, doesn't seem to work very well.
As for how to avoid exfiltration of mobile network data - hopeless. People have so much spyware and crap on their phones that you don't need to put an agent on ground to get a list of towers. You just buy out a smartphone app from a shady supplier and develop it into a rootkit, or sell rooted phones on the cheap in the target country.
Mind-altering ‘brain weapons’ no longer only science fiction, say researchers
Sophisticated and deadly “brain weapons” that can attack or alter human consciousness, perception, memory or behaviour are no longer the stuff of science fiction, two British academics argue.
Michael Crowley and Malcolm Dando, of Bradford University, are about to publish a book that they believe should be a wake-up call to the world.
They are this weekend travelling to The Hague for a key meeting of states, arguing that the human mind is a new frontier in warfare and there needs to be urgent global action to prevent the weaponisation of neuroscience.
“It does sound like science fiction,” said Crowley. “The danger is that it becomes science fact.”
The book, published by the Royal Society of Chemistry, explores how advances in neuroscience, pharmacology and artificial intelligence are coming together to create a new threat.
Mind-altering ‘brain weapons’ no longer only science fiction, say researchers
UK academics say latest chemicals are ‘wake-up call’ and urge global action to stop weaponisation of neuroscienceMark Brown (The Guardian)
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but, we know that propaganda exists, tired when they make up science fiction scenarios for things that already exist and are ignored.
Fuck, AI is one of the most powerful propaganda tools. way too many people rely on some AI to form their opinions, as long as they aren't as obvious as Gork, their propaganda is incredibly powerful.
“The tools to manipulate the central nervous system – to sedate, confuse or even coerce – are becoming more precise, more accessible and more attractive to states.”The book traces the fascinating, if appalling, history of state-sponsored research into central nervous system (CNS)-acting chemicals.
This sounds like propaganda made into steroid form, quite literally.
The week Europe realised it stands alone against Russian expansionism
Washington’s Putin-appeasing plan for peace in Ukraine has failed, but many heard death knell sounded for European reliance on US protection
Australia | Teenagers sue over social media ban for ‘violating their right to communicate’
High Court challenge says law imposing ban is ‘grossly excessive’ and infringes on ‘constitutional right of freedom of political communication’
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Surprised to see so many people on Lemmy in favour of social media. It's horrendous for everybody, adults and children alike. I don't think kids should be on there.
Usually for things like this, I'd be fine with parents handling it and controlling their own kids' access. But social media is too pervasive, you'd turn your kid into an outcast if they didn't have it when 96% of their peers did.
Russia loses ability to send humans into space for first time in 60 years
An accident has occurred at the Baikonur Cosmodrome, a spaceport operated by Russia within Kazakhstan, following the launch of the Soyuz MS-28 spacecraft.
Archived version: archive.is/newest/pravda.com.u…
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Electrocution, waterboarding, hallucinogens: UN report expresses 'grave concern' over Israeli torture of Palestinians
The UN Committee Against Torture Expressed 'Particular Concern' That the Number of Deaths in Custody to Date 'Appears to Be Abnormally High and Appears to Have Exclusively Affected the Palestinian Detainee Population'
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Electrocution, waterboarding, hallucinogens: UN report expresses 'grave concern' over Israeli torture of Pale
The UN Committee against Torture expressed 'particular concern' that the number of deaths in custody to date 'appears to be abnormally high and appears to have exclusively affected the Palestinian detainee population'Nir Hasson (Haaretz)
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Infosys co-founder once again calls for longer than 70-hour weeks - and no, he's not joking
Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, Infosys co-founder Narayana Murthy has once again called for longer working weeks has returned, this time with an emphasis on schedules like the 996-pattern used in parts of China.Murthy's comments revive a debate which began in 2024, when he argued that Indian employees should work 70 hours a week.
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Some billionaires are saying shorter work weeks be used of AI, some are saying longer.
If this just a way for us to be “grateful” for things to remain the same?
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By retirement?
I’d expect majority shares in any company I worked that much for, AND a 7-figure salary.
And retirement would be in 5 years.
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There is a large body of research out there regarding 12h shift work in healthcare. I’m only linking 1 article, a quick search will yield more, easily.
A TLDR on it: 12h shifts decrease performance. Stacking them decreases safety and performance, cumulatively. Car accidents pick up significantly on day 4.
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/…
Negative Impacts of Shiftwork and Long Work Hours - PMC
Healthcare organizations often have to provide patient care around the clock. Shift work (any shift outside of 7 a.m. to 6 p.m) and long work hours increase the risk for short sleep duration and sleep disturbances. Thirty-two percent of healthcare ..pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Let’s try this one
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/…
The impact of moving to a 12h shift pattern on employee wellbeing: A qualitative study in an acute mental health setting - PMC
Against a backdrop of increasing demand for mental health services, and difficulties in recruitment and retention of mental health staff, employers may consider implementation of 12 h shifts to reduce wage costs. Mixed evidence regarding the impact .pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Yes, I failed to paste the copy. After a 12 hour shift.
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Negative Impacts of Shiftwork and Long Work Hours - PMC
Healthcare organizations often have to provide patient care around the clock. Shift work (any shift outside of 7 a.m. to 6 p.m) and long work hours increase the risk for short sleep duration and sleep disturbances. Thirty-two percent of healthcare ..pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Capitalism protects the capital (goods, and equipment, on a truck), and values human lives at approx $3 million (based on financial cost for the company when a life is lost).
The value of the truck and the contents of the trailer are frequently greater than the value of the driver for a given trip, and therefore justify more caution and care than any given patient in a doctor's office.
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US: Truck driver crashing causes property damage, patients dieing causes the bed to open up for another paying customer.
Rest of the world: Shortages due to cost of education along with not enough spots available for said education.
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There’s less errors overall in having consistency in who healthcare reports off to between shifts. The 17% is balanced out by that (math wise). The errors in having 3 people reporting around an 8hr clock are significantly higher than with the 12hr clock.
But a 4th shift? Staying over to 16hrs? The 36hr week, I feel, is the extent to which you can safely take the 12h shift.
Additional madness is in that, in 26 states, the administrators of hospitals can hold shift workers over into double shifts. I don’t know about you, but I lose the capacity to read words around hour 18. Yet, this practice is engaged routinely in health care, without regard to sleep patterns. Maybe it is an 8h shift. Maybe that person spent day shift in school then went to work for an evening shift. Now is being held on their license to stay a night shift. And expected to drive home after more than 24hrs awake. Maybe their babysitter leaves at midnight. How good and safe is that patient care going to be?
This is true. It also results in less intershift rancor. But it doesn’t change the difficulties of 4th and 5th shifts in the same week.
I’m all for turning a 40hr/5day work week into a 36hr/3day work week. It works well in 24hr professions.
What I’m not for is this 996 nonsense.
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In the healthcare environment that is true. 12h shifts retain consistency between back and forth reporting, while with 8hr shifts things get lost or missed or misinterpreted in the handoff.
My point is that 3 is the sweet spot, it’s the 4th and fifth shifts that become cumulatively bad and result in increased car accidents on the commute.
Infosys is a shitty boss that would contract for 2 resources but only assign 1 to do the work. That's why he wants 80 hours per headcount.
This is why I'm somewhat happy that AI would render extinct companies like Infosys, Wipro, etc.
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The amount of fuel required to launch them into the sun is more than is required to eject the from the solar system completely, it's not very efficient.
Although putrid, they remain a valuable source of protein and nutrients. As a more carbon-efficient alternative, I suggest tying some waste stone around their feet and chucking them into the sea. Something in the depths will eat them.
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Personally I'd make an exception to my moral stance that work as punishment is slavery, and would prefer to keep him around forcing him to work 70 hours a week, in addition to doing all the other chores required so that he can live - in prison - for the rest of his life.
Maybe we'll make it 84 hours a week just for good measure, can't be giving him a day off.
Seems more poetic
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We pretend to work
They pretend to pay us
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These are the little fuckwits that pretend waiting on a phone call back from someone is hard work. They have no concept of what real work is like; their "work" is just their ordinary greasy life made to benefit a shareholder in addition to themselves.
Oh, you want me to go play golf with this guy using the company card and then go for dinner and drinks? Do some soft sales, just having regular conversation? Sure, I'll take that "work". Man, it's tough. Nobody works 80 hour weeks like me.
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I am not an advocate of slavery generally speaking but I do think that it is a just and righteous thing to enslave someone like this and to use them for backbreaking labour for 20 hours per day.
Like. Make it pointless too. Dig this hole. Fill that hole. Dig it again.
Feed them stuff you find in dumpsters. Beat them if their hole digging is going to slow. Test cosmetics on them. Sell them to be used for sex.
That seems right to me.
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Nah, just...make them work regular hours for a pay of an ordinary employee. They could take extra hours to earn more and demonstrate to everyone how to "work hard and earn big". This will be cruelest punishment they can get.
Oh, and put them on a KPI and control their work productivity.
You're using the word "slavery" rhetorically, more or less, but in the eyes of a Sociopathic Oligarch, we are already living on literal slave wages. They couldn't imagine living on the average annual income in this country, but they expect us to, and work harder on top of it.
They would pay us nothing, like the olden days, but then they'd have to cover our food and housing, and that would cost them more. So they pay us just barely enough to keep us from revolting.
We are already slaves.
No I'm not.
I mean we literally force people like this into irons and force them to work under threat of corporal punishment.
There's what, maybe 10, 20,000 people like this the world over?
It would be a one time thing. If they managed to have kids before they died from exhaustion or the unforeseen results of pharmaceutical experiments their children would be given good homes and loving adoptive parents, so we didn't risk reviving the institution of slavery. It would be a one time thing. Justice.
I do not understand his logic.
Paying someone 70 hours has the same cost as paying two persons 35 hours, right? (In my country technically no, because higher base taxation)
Someone working 70 hours is a mindless drone. This is how you get 13" iPads accidentally sold for 15€ "because the computer said so" (happened in a big box retailer in my country, no human involved in the process objected the price until WEEKS after the sale, when accounting noticed it, and they had to beg customers "pwease return our €1000 iPads and we give you a €25 gift card as a token of gratitude" and everyone just laughed about that)
Especially for developers, for the same price is better to get two that can do tasks with full attention rather than a single one that after 12 hours of job is just mindlessly clicking on "accept" on whatever a LLM is spitting out or half assing solutions because don't have the right state of mind to think for a proper one.
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Paying someone 70 hours has the same cost as paying two persons 35 hours, right? (In my country technically no, because higher base taxation)
What he wants is to pay one person for 70hrs, the same as he'd pay one person for 35 hrs.
Paying someone 70 hours has the same cost as paying two persons 35 hours, right? (In my country technically no, because higher base taxation)
I mean it isn't, but the difference is like marginal, but you get added costs like more hardware,more HR needed ( after a certain number of people) It support for those people etc.
But really it's penny pinching.
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They should take inspiration from my coworkers, who don't even bother to pretend.
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A form of wage theft that's common in the US (and elsewhere) is that workers are expected to still do work when they have already clocked out (such as closing up the shop).
I have a Japanese friend who told me that it's not uncommon that if your work colleagues are going to the bar after work, you are expected to go along. If you don't, it shows a lack of commitment to your job. As it's not a formal requirement, of course you don't get paid for this, despite it being functionally mandatory. What's worse is that you can't just stick around for one drink and then head home — you are expected to stick around at least as long as your boss, even if he (let's face it, the boss is probably male) is still drinking long into the night. I consider this to be an especially egregious form of the wage theft I described above.
It sounds so exhausting that I would likely be unable to do anything besides pretend to work, and even that would lead to inevitable burn out. I had heard that the work culture in Japan was bad, but I had no idea how bad until my friend shared some first hand experiences with me.
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Always hit them where it hurts - their wallets.
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And yes, he's ragebaiting.
Don't even know if I'm giving him too much credit here; maybe he is literally dumb enough to advocate for modern slavery.
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Technology is now used as a tool to perpetually force the working class to obey the ever increasing draconian rules. AI is one thing, highlighting that all it matters to them is a profit with no gratitude towards the workers.
This is essentially legal slavery, fuelled by big corp and the governmental bootlickers.
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Arguably we are already there. Depends how much you want to yourself. My house? No comrade, our house.
Share a house and you can do very little work. You could take it pretty far too. Think of those capsule hotels, could fit loads of capsules in my current bedroom even if you want to have your own capsule - sharing can further increase population. Less than 20 hours of work a month for static fees (mortgage, tax) per person. Food is about 4 hours of work a month. Heating wont change, though you will use more hot water for washing, probably 2-5 hours of work for energy and water.
All essentials covered, less than 30 hours of work a month required per person. Basing this on my expenses in the UK and minimum wage.
Shit like this should be shown to people who argue against unionization.
Remember, the parasites will take everything they can, even if it means their eventual demise.
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The priviledged class will trade among themselves.
You can have a society with 7.5 billion people that are fed, clothed, sheltered enough to stave off early death, and 500 mil people with property rights trading among themselves.
Nothing says economies must collapse if not everyone is enfranchised. There is no such law.
I could see a black mirror 15 million merits type of society. Pointless work for pointless pay. But gotta keep the poors in a position that they get something they want from their meaningless work even if it's got no real value but they want the shiny.
But then what happens to the individuals that reject consumerism? It clearly shown the main character racked up a shitload of cash by doing that. Couldn't you then do very little work?
You can't get cash rewards for consuming less. Spending is the least important variable in the accumulation game. All else being equal, spending less means you can spend more at other times. So if I penny pinch all year, I can splurge on New Year's eve, that sort of thing. That doesn't make you rich. That doesn't elevate your status in societies where all the needed and useful resources are paywalled.
Income and time is what matters. And if you can get income while keeping all your time to yourself, that's what elevates status. In other words you don't trade your own time for income. That means there must be some slaves or extremely poor people that are constantly exploited to enable the elite living conditions.
A society doesn't need parasitic elites. But if you want a better society you will have to pry it from the elites' cold hands, because they won't go along with a scheme that makes the world a happy and healthy place at their expense.
If I have 400 billion, but in a happy and healthy world I can only have 100mil max, which is 3 orders of magnitude less, I would rather burn down the whole planet than lose 1 cent. My interests are everything to me. My personal condition is what I experience first hand, while the rest of the world is just a theory, a story on a newspaper page, an image on TV, etc. I won't accept tangible personally felt losses for gains which to me are theoretical.
Of course if I inhabit a worker instead of a billionaire, things are different, the calculus is different, but crumbs are always crumbs. Whether I am a worker or billionaire, man or woman, I refuse to crumb myself. I want a 10 course dinner, with hookers and blow to boot, with every trimming. Always. I'd rather have food I can't eat than not have enough. No matter who I inhabit, the previous statement is true.
If what you want is in a tree, you have to shake that fucking tree. If you want fish you have to catch it.
Some assholes wanted to exploit people, so they killed, threatened, organized and propagandized and accomplished it. We need to understand this and take notes. Know yourself and know your enemy and you will always win.
If we want something else, if we want a different system, there will always be people that are super happy with how things are now. These folks have done very well under the present system. These folks will block our way. They are the tree, the fish, they are the soil that we have to plow and sometimes pave, to get to where we need to go. It will be ugly. It will not be without struggle.
If we just remain passive, and modestly undemanding, and we just politely wave our slogans on street corners, we know exactly what happens next.
Please watch this video, and think about everything.
Don't do anything stupid and treasure your own life. Thinking has to come first, or there will be regrets later.
Who said "have to?"
Can.
We can just acquiesce. That's always an option.
As for coercion, it's a spectrum. Killing the bags of bones is only one small slice of that spectrum.
Regardless. Conflicts of interests exist. Coercion exists. We can just try to sleep through it all and hope for the best hopium. Or we can do the adult thing. Admit reality. Prosecute our interests vigorously and sophisticatedly.
We have some thinking to do. I prefer there aren't any simpleminded and naive folks around me. Being honest about what's happening is better than our usual game of hopium, copium, fig leaves, whitewashing, and sleeping.
Overwork people until they die/kill themselves, great idea, what could go wrong. Really, I want to see homeboy do a month of whatever his lowest employee does with that schedule and THEN say he's still for it. Bet he'll be real fuckin' quiet.
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That's the thing, looking at the company they don't work "normal labor" jobs. Infosys is into info tech, consulting, and outsourcing services and looking at their acquisition history I get the impression they buy up smaller companies and consolidate their work into their product. Basically they make websites and tools that your company buys for $100k to analyze and optimize workflow, but the site doesn't work well and they never fix it. After 2 years enough time has passed that the higher ups don't feel embarrassed retiring the software and buying something else. Also, rather than just coding themselves they code with AI or buy other companies that already wrote the code and put it into their own product.
At the end of the day they aren't "working," they are being available. They are the shitty guy who is answering a work call on a Saturday while they are supposed to be watching their kid's ball game. They are the person who has to step out of the movie theater because they are getting an urgent work call at 10 pm on Friday. They are the person who flies back from their vacation two days early because the boss wants to ask about sales numbers. This is how Executive suite types say they work 16 hour days 7 days a week, they count every hour of the day as work because they are available, not because they were being productive that entire time.
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Crunching does not work!
Instead, it reduces productivity to a fraction (often 10% of normal), countering any time added.
You want to improve your productivity, you make your workers happy. Make sure they can eat, have good healthcare, have adequate family life, etc.
We now have studies that counter the crunching myths and time theft myths.
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The bosses win if winning is continuing to manage the company poorly.
The shareholders lose since cruel treatment reduces productivity and weakens profit margins. It depends on how seriously the business controllers want to actually do a capitalism and create a product and turn a profit.
Is maxxing the productivity top priority?
They might value control over their workforce above productivity.
In actuality, yes, their job is to maximize productivity for the dollar spent, hence maximizing profits, and the best way to do that for most job pools is by improving the QoL of the workforce.
They likely do value control over productivity, but that's not the job of upper management. A lot of jobs (the bullshit jobs ) are to fulfill a personal need for an entourage, the illusion of business activity. That is a -- human -- trait.
Our c-suite execs might believe it controlling the workforce is their job, though, if they're inadequately educated about the current state of the art. Hopefully, their AI replacements will be more current and won't be interfered with by the BoD or shareholders.
Imagine if every muscle cell in my biceps wanted to self-actualize. I want to grab a cup of coffee, but every muscle cell in my arms has their own ideas. Something that normally takes a second, now takes 10 years of negotiations. It would not do me a lick of good if I had the strongest muscle cells in existence if I could not control them.
Of course people should not be regarded as mere muscle cells, but the point here is to show how obviously valuable and vital control can be when you want to serve some ambition.
Should workers be controlled like they are soldiers?
Whose interests does the business prioritize? And how heavily?
In a worker cooperative workers are the owners. Workers hire and fire their managers at every level of management. All power flows are bottom up. The workers are the entourage. In this case workers are better positioned to self-actualize, because there is no capricious, lazy, ignorant, spoiled silky pants tyrant at the top.
But what about a more typical business? Well, there is either one owner or a tiny cabal of owners, and everyone else is just a resource, a means to an end. And you have to exert control over the means of labor to benefit the entourage at the top. If the entourage can figure out how to produce things without workers, they will get rid of them immedeately, why? Because the workers are just a means, they are incidental, they exist because slavery was deemed too toxic, and because no one figured out a way to get rid of the workers yet. That's the only reason workers exist in capitalism.
Managers want to give orders and see those orders followed immediately. They don't want debates, challenges, counter proposals, etc. If workers want to self-actualize, that's a huge problem for a top down power flow. That's why it is essential to beat the desire to self-actualize out of workers early. That way mindless servility is assured, which is good for control.
Also, if your workers work 80 hour weeks, they won't start competing ventures in their spare time. Again, control.
I kinda feel sorry for all the workers out there, because self-actualization is a heavenly mandate for every sentient being, and yet they are plugged into and slotted into a structure where worker (out group) self-actualization is a huge obstacle for the (in group) entourage.
Getting everyone happy can be a slow and messy process. What if you make weapons and your workers decide it is unethical to make weapons? You are a manager of youtube and you order workers to censor channels for entourage's benefit, but they have their own ideas, and they pretend to be censoring while actually not censoring? There is no end to such possibilities. Hence why the soul of many people MUST be crushed if the top down power flow is to be served in full measure.
Every so often there is an oddball manager like Ricardo Semler. But Ricardo Semler is the exception.
70 hours a week? What? So we can just stare at our screens pretending to work for half that time, if not more?
Go to hell.
If you follow the standard 5 day business week, that is 70 hours worked for every 50 hours not worked. Account for 8 hours of sleep a night and you have 2 hours a day to commute to your job. Literally zero time for any other needs. And that's ONLY if you are generous enough to give everyone the weekend to recharge.
For a 7 day work week with no days off, allowing for 8 hours of sleep per day and 2 hours of commute time, that is 4 hours a day to do anything else. I also would assume that part of the day would still be considered off hours for lunch. As well. Call it 3 hours a day for anything not work related.
This man should be hanged for even suggesting this as a reasonable productivity schedule for any living being.
"Infosys co-founder suggested slavery could be brought back with updated terms and conditions"
This is how this news should be titled
But other than that 40 at most
To be Frank guys this is the sick reality of Indian workers in India. The Labour and Workers are always exploited as much as Possible. Indian Labour Law is mostly in Favor of the Corporate Crooks, even its harder to start a WORKER UNION in Service based sectors like IT and Non coding Jobs. Normal working hours is 8 hrs but most Indian worker in such sectors their minimum working hour is 10hr (Personal experience), even the work environment it evolved into is one Most Sick and Selfish environment you could ever Imagine. Yes, sadly many Indians Lack Civic sense I don't object and we too are being discriminated in a stereotypical way for that. But I must say that many Indians who leave for On-site is not just for higher payroll but for better Work environment and to embrace their basic Work-Life Balance which is a JOKE in India.
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The sooner we start eating these motherfuckers the faster things will improve.
Billionaire is a mental illness that isn't compatible with civil society,
if they're both paid the same hourly rate?
That's the fun part: you only have to pay them for 40 hours!
Insurance, benefits and labor expenses. Even in places with little worker protections there are costs that scale with the number of workers instead of the number of hours.
A brief look indicates employers in India can expect to budget on the order of 18% of an employees take home per year for those expenses.
There are some circumstances and places in the US where you don't need to provide as many benefits to employees who work below 40 hours. Then you see employers hire more people and schedule them for just under the threshold to give them benefits.
The answer is always because it's cheaper for them somehow.
You just aren't thinking like a billionaire, man. What you do is get the two people anyway, and still force the 70 hour work week.
Your job is not to find a reasonable steady state of operation. Your job is to exploit the resources before you (even the ones with emotions and families) to extract value for the shareholders in the most efficient way possible, before somebody even more evil and clever than you figures out a better way and we direct future fresh meat to his meat grinder instead of yours.
Iceland made theor 4 day workweek experiment permanent...because it was actually more productive.
They don't even want all the money, they just want us to suffer
You could replace most management people with a rack of GPUs and nobody would notice. Mostly they are a very unimaginative lot parroting the same misguided group think that devalues the employees that create all their companies value. Infosys is a consulting company. They don't make anything or own valuable IP. They pimp out Indian labour to undercut the labour rates and conditions in developed countries which already makes them a shitload of profit.
You would think with increasing options to Indian professionals, their recruitment people would be shitting bricks trying to hire talent with this bullshit out there but they have probably sacked them as well. Though, if I wasn't poor I would probably say all sorts of shit to pump share prices and cash out before the AI bubble bursts.
It's not just saturday morning cartoon villain evil.
It's also incredibly fucking stupid.
Anything that you get better outcomes from by making people work longer, like assembly lines, can be done better by robots anyway, and of course you as capital owner don't have to live life after your dominant hand gets crushed and amputated.
Anything that isn't pure rote work, you get better results when people are not overworked and spending thirty hours a week sticking fucking pencils in your acoustic ceiling because nobody's fucking brain works that long and hard.
Higher taxes on the rich don't go far enough, because they can just leverage their assets to corrupt democracies and roll everything back.
Corporations need to be banned.
I learned that China had basically made this shit illegal years ago, but work hours in China are still insane. I am willing to bet that they will still have incredible growth and prosperity even if those workhours are strictly enforced.
People like this dipshit need to be stripped of all possessions and wealth and immured alive.
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Indian fighter jet crashes during a demo flight at Dubai Air Show, killing the pilot
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates -- The pilot of an Indian combat plane died after the aircraft crashed Friday during a demonstration flight for spectators at the Dubai Air Show, the Indian Air Force said.
The Indian HAL Tejas, a combat aircraft used in the Indian Air Force, crashed around 2:10 p.m. local time after the pilot had flown across the site of the biennial air show in Dubai several times.
The plane appeared to lose control and dive directly toward the ground just prior to crashing inside the grounds of the airfield.
Tejas is India’s indigenous fighter aircraft, built by state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. The lightweight, single-engine jet is expected to bolster India’s depleted fighter fleet as China expands its military presence in South Asia, including by strengthening defense ties with India’s rival Pakistan.
The Indian government signed a deal with HAL in 2021 for 83 Tejas aircraft. Deliveries, expected last year, have been delayed largely because of shortages of engines that must be imported from the United States.
Indian fighter jet crashes during a demo flight at Dubai Air Show, killing the pilot
The pilot of an Indian combat plane has died after a crash during a demonstration flight at the Dubai Air ShowJON GAMBRELL Associated Press (ABC News)
Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors
Germany plans to treat the use of date rape drugs like the use of weapons in prosecutions as part of measures to ensure justice for survivors of domestic violence and sexual assault.
“We classify date rape drugs, which are increasingly used as a widespread tool in crimes, as weapons. This creates the basis for significantly stricter prosecutions,” Alexander Dobrindt, the interior minister, said on Friday. “We are committed to clear consequences and consistent enforcement. Women should feel safe and be able to move freely everywhere.”
Nearly 54,000 women and girls were the victims of sexual offences in Germany in 2024 – an increase of 2.1% on the previous year – of which nearly 36% were victims of rape and sexual assault.
Germany to classify date rape drugs as weapons to ensure justice for survivors
Classification plan will create basis for ‘significantly stricter’ prosecutions, says interior ministerGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
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I mean, they literally are weapons...
Potentially deadly
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In a logical world it would be. But criminally I don't think anywhere differentiates type of weapon other than "firearm" and "deadly".
They need to fully separate it from date rape too. Back in my younger days I knew 3 different dudes who got dosed out at bars. I highly doubt they were intended rape victims, but a lot of robberies start out with someone slipping something into your drink, then getting you in the parking lot.
Drugging anyone for anyone reason should qualify as attempted manslaughter. Which, counter intuitively is a real charge.
It makes it easier to charge rapists too because you don't have to prove rape, and can even charge them before a rape happens. If you can prove rape, throw it on top as additional charges.
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I think the primary distinction is that a weapon in a criminal context is typically something that is used to threaten/coerce someone, or to enable you to cause (more/more severe) physical harm/incapacitation in a physical altercation.
Date rape drugs aren't used to threaten/coerce people, and whilst they can cause harm, it is generally not the intended goal when someone uses them. And intent/willingness to use a weapon to physically harm someone, in my opinion, is a relevant distinction to relatively """peacefully""" knocking someone out. Of course committing date rape is still an utterly horrific thing, and people who do it should be charged and held accountable to the fullest extent of justice, but it is still different from threatening someone with a weapon and forcing yourself on them. (Also, whilst I have no actual data on this, it seems logical to me that a conscious victim is far more likely to receive (more serious) injuries as they struggle, vs. an unconscious one)
So whilst I agree that classifying date rape drugs as weapons is a good move, there definitely are relevant distinctions as to why drugs are typically not considered weapons.
I was originally against this because I hate it when language is reconstituted and made murkey, but I looked it up and you're right.
I'm still not sure this is the same as poison, but it can certainly be harmful so it's not that big a stretch.
While date rap and sexual violence is horrible... Do these drugs have any real value?
Like yes they can be used for date rape but are also given anti-anxiety or ant-nausea or anything like that?
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Hmm interesting and makes sense.
Wait one of your fiancé? How many women are you planning to marry?
If only it worked like that! XD
TBH, I wish I could do group health insurance at a decent rate, but the only options are to cover a single partner or a single partner and dependents..
GHB is freely available because it's used as an industrial solvent and cleaning agent, that's why it's legal in most countries.
Many people also use it as a recreational drug, it's effects are similar to alcohol at low dosages
Slippery slope, but what else can you expect from these clowns.
If I punched you, that would be assault.
If I hit you with a hammer, that would be assault with a weapon.
If I stood beside you with a hammer and did not harm you at all, then I have not committed any crime.
No-one is going to be charged with crimes they didn't commit because of this. Classifying them as a weapon is only relevant for cases in which they were actively used to commit sexual assault, much the same way that a hammer only counts as a weapon if I assault you with it.
Though I understand why you came away with the impression you did — I am often exasperated at weird drug laws that are overly prohibitive and often unscientific in how they criminalise relatively low risk drugs, which meant that I also initially had the same reading of this news as you did. Fortunately, it seems that this is not an example of one of those silly drug laws, but an actually sensible measure.
Hold on, it's used for sea sickness?
If that's the case it should be allowed, maybe controlled but should be allowed. Never said something with a legimite use should be banned. Just asked what the legitimate uses were. Actually I never mentioned banning anything.
I kind of had an issue with this at first read, because if anyone is taking some ghb (and not using it to rape people) having weapons charges is ridiculous.
But I've got no issue with increased penalties for anyone using this stuff to rape someone. There should be no fucking quarter to anyone caught doing this.
Increased penalties if you're caught taking them yourself recreationally are ridiculous though.
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1. These drugs are around also, you know, for sick people who need them. It is the case of my mom who has multi sclerosis and the only pain killer effective on her is known as a rape drug.
2. Chemical submission can be achieved with a wide range of things, most commonly use it probably alcohol, regular drinks such as wine and beer. Attempting chemical submission with those shouldn't fly under the radar of justice!
3. I think it would be much more effective to amend the law in order for all cases of chemicals submission (with or without rape) and rapes to be brought to justice
4. A big issue that is ignored with this proposal is, victims often don't report the aggression or don't complete the full procedure. Police and Justice system personnel must be better trained about these cases of rape and rape with chemical submission in order for the victims to be able to report their aggression without feeling judgement or shame through out the entire process, from the police report until the conclusion of the court.
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in reply to Otter • • •Not a direct answer to your question, but: the sun (like the earth) has areas that are more "geologically" active; those areas tend to throw out solar flares. As the sun rotates, the area that throws out these solar flares slowly faces toward the earth (solar maximum) then slowly rotates to face away from the earth (solar minimum). The solar cycle is roughly eleven years long.
Currently, we're just slightly past solar maximum. For the past year or so, the "more active" part of the sun has been roughly facing earth and intermittently spitting out solar flares. When these flares hit the earth's atmosphere, they cause auroras (which is why we've had so many auroras these past couple years) and can interfere with electronic and electrical equipment (see: the Carrington event).
I have no details on what l the exact damage that was caused by the interference the plane suffered, nor any knowledge of how they plan to address the issue. But whatever they come up with is going to take some time to develop - and we're moving away from solar maximum so being hit with a massive flare is increasingly less likely - at least for another decade. My suspicion is that they'll come up with a "solution" that actually may not work very well, but it works well enough to give the impression that they're doing something - and it'll look like it's working to some extent, simply because the active side of the sun is rotating away from us.
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in reply to aramis87 • • •Appreciate the write-up, thanks!
I found this diagram, and this should mean that the levels will drop by around 2030?
Source: stce.be/news/453/welcome.html
Preliminary prediction for the new solar cycle 25 | STCE
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in reply to gravitas_deficiency • • •I think the website is old, and the blurry bits were a prediction
A different color and a legend would have been nicer imo
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in reply to Otter • • •Here's a better one. We just passed the predicted maximum point
swpc.noaa.gov/products/solar-c…
Solar Cycle Progression | NOAA / NWS Space Weather Prediction Center
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in reply to aramis87 • • •This doesn't have anything to do with the sun's rotation. It actually rotates once every 28 days. The solar maximum and solar minimum are just phases in activity caused by internal activity.
PlutoniumAcid
in reply to aramis87 • • •I work in the software industry and I have a guess regarding what the might do to "fix" the problem.
First, we look for the cause, but in this case it is external: we can't prevent solar flares. So we will turn to mitigation instead:
Data gets flaky and erratic unter radiation, so what we would do is to double- and triple-check the data bits. By adding more levels of data correction, more bits can be wrong and we can still figure what it was supposed to be.
Adding more corrections means more overhead and slower performance, but it can still be made to work within the given constraints of real-time processing. They will need to find a balance between hardening and usefulness.
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piranhaconda
in reply to PlutoniumAcid • • •Sounds like SEE (single event effect) if it's something fixable by software.
TID (total ionizing dose) is another flavor of radiation effect on components, but that's a total lifetime effect where it slowly degrades. Using rad hard parts or adding extra shielding is the main fix.
SEEs are transient effects from high energy charged particles that can cause bit flips and latch ups in circuitry depending on where the particle hits and deposits it's charge in the circuitry. Extra shielding can help prevent these as well, but they can also be mitigated in software, sometimes the fix is just error detection, or power cycling a specific section of circuitry to clear a latchup
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in reply to 9488fcea02a9 • • •I think I read that the issue is relatively new thanks to a software update (speculation in another thread, so questionable veracity). So perhaps a change that wasn’t flawed by itself but by bad luck combined with this radiation sensitivity to make the issue significant.
But also solar flares are kind of rare, especially on the stronger end, so easy to imagine bug reliant on them sitting idle for years.
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