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Indígenas foram alvo de espionagem na COP30 | Rastreador com GPS foi encontrado no ônibus da delegação de líderes do povo Munduruku. Caso foi levado às autoridades.
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EXCLUSIVO: Indígenas foram alvo de espionagem na COP30
Rastreador com GPS foi encontrado no ônibus da delegação de líderes do povo Munduruku. Caso foi levado às autoridades.Vinícius Madureira (Intercept Brasil)
COP30 Was Underwhelming, But a Path Away from Fossil Fuels Already Exists
COP30 Was Underwhelming, But a Path Away from Fossil Fuels Already Exists - FPIF
Existing plans to triple renewable energy, double efficiency, and slash methane — coupled with real regulations like the EU’s — offer a way forward.Peter Certo (Foreign Policy In Focus)
Germany’s Merz to demand EU relax petrol engine ban | Coalition led by conservative chancellor agrees push to allow hybrid cars to aid struggling automotive industry
Europe’s water reserves drying up due to climate breakdown | UCL scientists find large swathes of southern Europe are drying up, with ‘far-reaching’ implications
Revealed: Europe’s water reserves drying up due to climate breakdown
Exclusive: UCL scientists find large swathes of southern Europe are drying up, with ‘far-reaching’ implicationsRachel Salvidge (The Guardian)
Why is it needlessly difficult to access UNFCCC Emission Data?
Why is it needlessly difficult to access UNFCCC Emission Data?
Due to international climate agreements, countries report annual data about their greenhouse gas emissions to the UNFCCC. However, downloading and using that data is a lot more difficult than it should be.Hanno Böck (industrydecarbonization.com)
Don’t Forget to Ask: What Happens to the Savings?
The global economy has been set up around a growth imperative, a long-held commitment to continual economic expansion. This dynamic means that if the savings from a sustainability initiative are not strictly conserved or protected, then they are available to be re-spent to serve growth elsewhere. Despite the dedicated efforts of sustainability advocates, environmental stewardship is at perpetual risk of being undermined by the broader economy.
Don’t Forget to Ask: What Happens to the Savings? - resilience
The proposal for Degrowth calls for an intentional downscaling of the global economy to achieve both ecological sustainability and social justice.Resilience (Resilience.org)
Revealed: EU’s €1.5bn promo scheme backing ‘sustainable’ meat and dairy
cross-posted from: lemmy.zip/post/53814898
The European Commission’s Enjoy, it’s from Europe programme has spent €1.5bn since 2017 on campaigns and events to “raise awareness of the efforts made by European farmers to produce quality products”, which frequently overstates the environmental benefits of eating meat and dairy.A new DeSmog investigation, however, finds that the sustainability claims of the advertised produce are often misleading or false
Let’s Talk About Pork – a social media campaign running across Spain, France and Portugal – described emissions from pork-production as “absolutely fake”, while another falsely claimed that European poultry “helps preserve biodiversity”.
Meanwhile, a video-based campaign – which launched in October to promote European beef across Instagram, Facebook and TikTok – dubbed scientific claims about the environmental impact of livestock as “fake news”.
In 2025, the European Commission funded the campaigns “European Pork for a Greener World” and “Sustainable Beef” — the latter launched on World Environment Day — both designed to showcase livestock farming as a solution to climate and environmental challenges.
Revealed: EU’s €1.5bn promo scheme backing ‘sustainable’ meat and dairy
The €1.5bn "Enjoy, it's from Europe" scheme — largely funded by the Common Agricultural Policy — emphasises the “authenticity, safety, sustainability and quality” of EU-farmed food and drinks.EUobserver
Teachers Union Escalates: General Strike in the Next 3 Days in Protest of Governments Failure to Meet Commitment
Anyone know the what commitment the palestinian government failed to meet?
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I mean, it's right there in the article:
The union stated in a press release that this escalation comes in light of the government's failure to disburse 500 shekels 10 days after the last government salary was issued, according to the agreement between the union and the government, in addition to the continued failure to pay salaries in full.
Though it's important to note that this is related to the West Bank PLO's Palestinian Authority, which holds no control of the Gaza strip which is governed by Hamas. The PNA is de facto a US-Israeli delegated government.
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The dirty dozen: meet America’s top climate villains
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For too long, Americans were fed a false narrative that they should feel individually guilty about the climate crisis. The reality is that only a handful of powerful individuals bear the personal responsibility.
The nation’s worst polluters managed to evade accountability and scrutiny for decades as they helped the fossil fuel industry destroy our planet. The actions of these climate supervillains have affected millions of people, disproportionately hurting the vulnerable who have done the least to contribute to global emissions.
Working- and middle-class people must stop blaming themselves for the climate crisis. Instead, it’s time to band together to seek justice and hold these profiteers accountable. Only in calling out their power and culpability is it possible to reclaim the world that belongs to all of us, together.
The dirty dozen: meet America’s top climate villains
Few are household names, yet these 12 enablers and profiteers have an unimaginable sway over the fate of humanityAmy Westervelt (The Guardian)
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The Israeli military has decided to ban Android phones for senior officers“Under the expected order, commanders from the rank of lieutenant colonel and above will be permitted to use only iPhones for official communications. The step is aimed at reducing the risk of intrusions on senior officers’ handsets, according to the report.”
So it seems that Israel (one of the leading country in hackers spies for hire) thinks that there’s a lot « Hezbollah honey pot » that target android device
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Israeli company Cellebrite sells a device to extract data from locked phones, both Android and iPhones afaik. So indeed I'm guessing their government knows some stuff about the security of both platforms.
Fun fact: comments mentioning Cellebrite get immediately shadow-hidden on Reddit, or at least in some of the main subs.
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In 2021, Moxie Marlinspike, creator of the encrypted messaging app Signal, pointed to several vulnerabilities in Cellebrite's UFED and Physical Analyzer software that allowed for arbitrary code execution on Windows computers running the software. One exploit he detailed involved the UFED scanning a specially formatted file, which could then be used to execute arbitrary code on the computer running the UFED. Marlinspike wrote that the code could then "[modify] not just the Cellebrite report being created in that scan, but also "all previous and future generated Cellebrite reports" from all previously scanned devices and all future scanned devices in any arbitrary way."[27] Marlinspike also found that Cellebrite software was bundled with out-of-date FFmpeg DLL files from 2012, which lacked over 100 subsequent security updates. Windows Installer packages, extracted from the Windows installer for iTunes and signed by Apple, were also found, which he said raised legal concerns.[28] Cellebrite responded that the company "is committed to protecting the integrity of our customers' data, and we continually audit and update our software in order to equip our customers with the best digital intelligence solutions available."[29] The report by Signal followed an announcement by Cellebrite in 2020 that it had developed technology to crack encrypted messages in the Signal app, a claim the company later retracted and downplayed.[30][31] The announcement by Marlinspike raised questions about the integrity of data extracted by the software,[32][33] and prompted Cellebrite to patch some of the vulnerabilities found by Signal and to remove full support for analyzing iPhones.[34][35]
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellebri…
Sounds like it is just malware to me.
Vulnerable software is different from malware.
Iirc there was also the part of the story where the exploit for Cellebrite's thing was included in Signal, and Marlinspike said that data on any device scanning Signal with Cellebrite software would be poisoned.
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Really depends on the phone and how the controlling organization (whether it's a private company or the IDF) uses MDM/MAM. It's totally possible to poorly manage iPhones, and if you do they'll be insecure as hell. If you were to restrict everyone to a specific Android phone model with hardened software, then you could theoretically do better than deploying all iPhones. Hell, you could even put GrapheneOS on them, but that would be quite an undertaking, and I'm not aware of any company doing it at scale.
Because of the homogeneity of iPhones and how strictly Apple controls them, it's generally simpler for organizations to manage them and ensure all of their employees are using updated software on a relatively secure phone. So that (in my opinion) is why we're seeing a lot of organizations just say "screw it, only iPhones allowed".
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But isn't that stupid tho. Like they should want their military officers to be using the most secure OS.
But then again, its funny to see them make stupid decisions.
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It's a both-ways situation.
They allow only the Fisher-Price version of phones so less-than-power-users don't do something stupid.
They also allow only Fisher-Price so power users can't beat Celebrite as easily.
They want to be able to perpetually spy on their military officers to keep them in line. Boot out any dissidents or anyone refusing to carry out illegal and genocidal orders.
Many fascist states like Stalin's USSR, Nazi Germany, North Korea, etc all have mass spy programs on the most powerful who aren't the leader.
It shows perpetual paranoia, which is expected as popular support for Israel has fucking collapsed in most Western countries. They know their time is limited.
I would be interested to know what definition of fascism you are using that includes the USSR and North Korea. Fascism is not the same thing as authoritarianism, if that's the definition you're going by.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definiti…
A significant number of scholars agree that a "fascist regime" is foremost an authoritarian form of government; however, the general academic consensus also holds that not all authoritarian regimes are fascist, and more distinguishing traits are required for a regime to be characterized as such.[2][3]
I'm using the 14 points:
public.websites.umich.edu/~rsc…
Of which the USSR under Stalin, and North Korea in general fit damn near perfectly.
says everything about iPhones 'security' & 'privacy'
repeats it
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Apple The Official Phone Of Genocide
Lets face it, the more you know about ol' tyranty boy StevieJobs the more it makes sense.
frankly this is because israel knows exactly how much spyware they've gotten their partner, Google, to put into android. the iphone is also chock full of spyware, and they do want to spy on their military force to make sure it's as ideologically and racially pure as they need it to be to continue their genocide. further consider that budget iphones don't exist and you realize that their systemic impoverishing of the indigenous Palestinian people means that all of the targets of their genocide are much more likely to be android users than iphone users. given this, israel is in real time creating a new signifier of jewish-israeli identity. soon having an android phone as civilian will be evidence of HAMAS.
and again.
i want to remind everyone that google is a major partner to israel. this is not a case of iphones bad guys, android phones good guys. this is a case of both being components in a system of torture. i can't tell you yet to divest yourself of both to switch to linux phones like postmarketos because even i can't do that without buying a new device, but please watch that space. and until you can, if you're using a google pixel please consider installing grapheneos, and if you're not please consider using a de-googled lineage based rom. israel greatly values the intel they get from their partner google.
iOS Overview - Privacy Guides
iOS is a mobile operating system developed by Apple for the iPhone.Privacy Guides
What you're describing isn't spyware though.
I'm not dying on this hill because at a point it would just be quibbling over semantics. Your point isn't wrong - I know there are options built into OSes that can be used to monitor user behaviour - but this isn't spyware in the same way backdooring shit into android would be
No argument that the end result is pretty similar - but one requires exploits to get some shit on the phone. The other is innate to the OS.
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me either way. There IS a lot of telemetry and other BS that is definitely still on my phone, included in OS updates, and not uninstallable (I can "uninstall updates", but that would also give me back any security issues). But, I don't think that it is Gemini, or at least predates that naming convention.
To get free of Google telemetry, I'd have to install a non-Google ROM, and I haven't ever tried that.
Telemetry certainly can be abused, and Google should be legally (by regulation) required to provide a simple opt-out. BUT, telemetry really is a fairly normal thing to include in "web-scale" deployments and is primarily used to discover issues that have escaped into production without affecting a testing environment--or, at least, that what the telemetry systems I've interacted with as an software developer were for. So, I'm not too worried about non-personalized data collection.
EDIT: I confirmed that Google says I have no Gemini activity to delete, so while I'm sure my phone is reporting stuff, it's not to Gemini.
and
proton.me/blog/turn-off-gemini…
were easy enough to find. If I remember correctly the grapheneOS guys spoke on this too.
How to turn off Gemini on Android — and why you should
Learn how to turn off Gemini on Android, what the Google AI can see, its privacy risks, and how to limit its reach across your device.Elena Constantinescu (Proton)
The first one does tell you how to "completely remove Gemini from your smartphone" under that heading. I do not have the Gemini app installed.
The second one says:
Can you fully disable Gemini on Android?No, and that’s by design. While you can turn off activity tracking, revoke permissions, and even uninstall the Gemini app on some devices, Google is actively replacing its Assistant app with Gemini.
But, I've also disabled Google Assistant across all applications, so I don't share data with Gemini/Assistant. I had to lose some features to do so.
Overall, your reply serves to confirm for me that I have disabled Gemini on both of my Android devices. Still, I appreciate the links!
I was curious so I searched. This is the best info I could find.
proton.me/blog/turn-off-gemini…
Proton claims that even if you turn everything off, it will still watch in the background because Google is replacing assistant with Gemini. That still hasn't happened on my phone. I can still use the regular Google assistant, but I feel like I'm not smart enough to evaluate the claims to know whether it is really running on my phone or not.
Proton also has a profit motive in making people upset with Google, so I don't know.
How to turn off Gemini on Android — and why you should
Learn how to turn off Gemini on Android, what the Google AI can see, its privacy risks, and how to limit its reach across your device.Elena Constantinescu (Proton)
I'll believe the programming.
What programming? Code related to turning off Gemini is not publicly available. You're blindly trusting Google engineers.
You made up a scenario. Here's one
I have a switch that turns off my car when I push it. I push it, it does exactly what I ask. There done. My scenario is more real then your made up one.
again, you didnt counter, you just said "nuh-uh"
I dont mind not getting the last word but that seems important to you and I'm petty so guess how this is going to go?
It's like no one remembers the 90's and Microsoft.
Also, IBM literally made computers for the Nazis.
I mean it's not just that. Probably not even mostly that. Security is really not great on Android far beyond the AI. I've been running Android for years and probably won't change until Linux with LUKS is a reasonable alternative, But from a hardware level on through to the software, there are so many holes in the OS and ways to access privileged information. Even the top end of the Samsung line is largely rootable at this point, not without concessions, mind you, but as far as an enemy getting a phone and gaining access, or the company itself getting your data even without AI, I'd probably be concerned enough for ANY military org not to allow them to be used.
Apple has a hell of a lot of issues, might even be overly friendly with Israel, but from a security standpoint, it's probably safer for secrets than android at the moment.
I really just want an encrypted portable linux device with a cellular modem. I don't even care if it can SMS or VOLTE, I just need it to run a secure chat client, support Bluetooth headphones and last all day on a charge.
I really just want an encrypted portable linux device with a cellular modem. I don’t even care if it can SMS or VOLTE, I just need it to run a secure chat client, support Bluetooth headphones and last all day on a charge.
Then you're in luck, because that's something you can already have by now! Just get yourself one of the more recent-ish phones that are well supported by PostmarketOS. The things Linux phones struggle the most with these days, are the more traditional phone-things, such as text messages or calling, which may not be ready for production, as they say (although, both texts and calls have actually worked well for me as of late). But if all you want is a pocket Linux computer/PDA, and intend to carry another phone for calls and texting, that's something you can have, for the grand price of an old, second-hand phone. I've been loving my (LUKS-encrypted) OnePlus 6T, and I do actually use it for calls and texts as well!
If all I needed was five hours worth of battery would be a great fit.
Both post-market and nix are great options if you want to run a really old phone, but neither one can last even
half a day.
What exactly is insecure about running GrapheneOS?
Or even stock OS on a Pixel? Has any of the conspiracies about Google Play Services ever been proven?
What part? The fact that they no longer will be providing Pixel-specific source code?
Who else has been providing the literal OS source code for their devices?
I'm talking about the conspiracy where Google is monitoring your every move, reading all your encrypted messages, and providing backdoors to government entities.
You mean besides the fact that the IDF has been selling ICE software specifically to compromise android phone and now they're forbidding their own forces from using Android...
That's not much of a stretch IMO, but you do you.
You aren't going to get such a device enabled on the american cellular networks. The duoploy wont allow it. You would have a better chance creating a new network that doesnt need cellular technology. something that behaves more like a cordless phone that uses whatever wifi, packet radio, reticulum node, etc as the base. You wouldn't be able to get a straight phone number without a VoIP subscription but thats also not a terribly big problem as phone numbers are a terrible idea in 2025 anyway. We should have revocable keys exchanged at will that are unique to each contact. Either side can block communications effectively that way at any time and you couldnt just call them from a different number or sell the key to a different scammer or something.
Really, a 5G capable phone running linux isnt a big enough goal. Mobile communications needs a profound shift away from the legacy model.
and meanwhile, the american supreme court is ruling on terminating online access due to piracy today. I wonder what they'll rule....
usatoday.com/story/news/2025/1…
Daily Briefing: This SCOTUS case could shut off your internet
What’s at stake in music piracy battle and more news to start your Monday., USA TODAY (USA TODAY)
Like most things in contemporary society, we are given the choice between two terrible options, and then encouraged to go all in on one of those terrible choices, or you're a LOSER.
Modern life is just Pavlov's lab.
Wasn't it also just reported a few weeks ago that Samsung installs Israeli spyware on android devices sold in MENA?
androidauthority.com/samsung-a…
'Unremovable Israeli spyware' on your Samsung phone? Here's what the controversy is all about - Android Authority
A recently rekindled controversy alleges that Samsung's preinstalled service, AppCloud, is used as an Israeli spyware.Tushar Mehta (Android Authority)
FFS a government makes a policy on phone security which may or may not be a good decision. OK whatever, who cares?
Ah but that government is Israel. So now this is today's reason for your daily Two Minutes Hate?
Get a grip people.
I've hated the Israeli Gov't much longer than 2 minutes.
Fuck Israel, genocidal scum!
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Physically obtaining the devices is insufficient; they need ongoing software updates and other network services too.
The IDF could/would absolutely not be doing this if they did not trust that Apple is a very committed partner.
You can also observe from Apple's job listings that they are.
Search Jobs - Israel - Jobs at Apple (IL)
Explore all Israel jobs at Apple. Create a profile and apply today.jobs.apple.com
Go ahead and post the same link for Google job listings. I’ll wait.
Having jobs in the country has nothing to do with being a “committed partner”. You’re making up connections that are most likely not there. Same for anyone claiming the same about Google. Microsoft on the other hand is directly selling and assisting the IDF, they are a committed partner.
::: spoiler I think you misunderstood me
Go ahead and post the same link for Google job listings. I’ll wait.
My comment was in response to your comments (bolded below) in this thread:
I was already thinking of getting a Linux phone next, this is helping to seal the deal. Fuck Apple the genocide enablers.please do explain how Apple is doing anything here. If Israel wants to provide their military with iPhones they’re going to no matter what Apple does.
They don’t have to do business with/in Israel.
That still will not stop a nation state (especially Israel) from getting their hands on Apple devices.
My point was not to say that Google is better than Apple here - in fact, unlike Apple (as far as I know), Google has actually built AI tools specifically tailored for Israel's genocidal business requirements.
My point is that if Apple wanted to boycott a country (which in the case of Israel they obviously don't, which job listings at their R&D centers are just one of many points of evidence of) it would actually make it difficult-to-impossible for any substantial part of the boycotted country's government to rely on using iPhones.
(Unlike Android derivatives which can easily be used without direct reliance on Google's services...)
As an aside, while I would not use iOS (due to it being proprietary), it is hard to dispute that (for most adversaries, at least) compromising it is generally much more expensive/difficult/unlikely than Android. So, given that Apple is very friendly to them, the IDF's policy decision to use iPhones makes sense.
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IDF rules:
OK things to do:
- Kill children,
- Rape women,
- Kill prisoners,
- Destroy peoples property,
- Use iPhone.
Not OK things to do:
- Use Android OS
If ever anyone still doesn't get how Western countries still support Israel despite the populations of those countries widely hating Israel, this shit is why.
They have blackmail on all our politicians, but moreover they can sell their domestic surveillance spy tools (such as malware) to bad actors (such as the US gov) to spy on their own citizens too.
Israel is the #1 perpetrator and exporter of fascism and police states.
The first words of the article:
So this is interesting. Just weeks after Google’s campaign to promote Android as being more secure than iPhone, the smartphone battle has taken a sudden twist.
Senators to investigate Pete Hegseth ‘kill everybody’ allegations
GOP senators to join Democrats in investigating Pete Hegseth ‘kill everybody’ allegations
Senators from both sides of the political aisle will join forces to investigate allegations that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ordered there to be no survivors in U.S. airstrikes on alleged drug-running boats.
GOP Senator Roger Wicker, Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Democratic Senator Jack Reed announced the decision in a joint statement Saturday.
"The Committee is aware of recent news reports and the Department of Defense’s initial response — regarding alleged follow-on strikes on suspected narcotics vessels in the SOUTHCOM area of responsibility,” the statement read.
GOP senators to join Democrats in investigating Pete Hegseth ‘kill everybody’ allegations
GOP Senator Roger Wicker, Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Democratic Senator Jack Reed, announced the investigation in a joint statementMike Bedigan (The Independent)
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How China Silences Environmental Reporters Beyond Its Borders
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Unpaywalled (Web archive)The strange number lighting up Tawanda Majoni’s phone again and again felt like a warning.
Majoni, one of the Zimbabwe’s most respected journalists, soon learned where the calls were coming from: a federal police unit called Law and Order, notorious for abductions, torture and killings.
When unmarked cars rolled through his neighborhood after a relative was pressed for his location, Majoni packed a bag, tossed his cell phone’s SIM card so he couldn’t be tracked and fled the city, haunted by memories of slain colleagues. One was hurled from a moving vehicle in broad daylight. Another was beaten to death.
He knew he couldn’t run forever. After two weeks, he returned and answered one of the calls. An officer told him to come in: We have a case related to you.
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A few days later, Majoni sat in a small, airless room at Law and Order offices, his lawyer ordered to wait outside. For three hours, officers grilled Majoni about his work, at one point sliding a printout across the desk—a tweet about a speech he’d given on World Press Freedom Day. They accused him of “inciting rebellion,” a treasonous offense.
The questioning made no sense until Majoni noticed a file on the desk: his photograph on top, and beneath it, text written in Mandarin Chinese.
He didn’t need to ask. His newsroom, the Information for Development Trust, had recently published exposes on Chinese mining projects that left open waste pits, poisoned rivers and displaced communities. “I know what this is about,” Majoni said.
The lead officer smiled, then pressed on about the tweet. Majoni walked free that day but stopped writing his weekly column. Later, he said, trusted police contacts confirmed what he already suspected: Chinese investors had been behind the interrogation.
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The Chinese government’s repression of journalists at home is well known. Less visible is how that machinery now reaches far beyond its borders—and what that means for the environment.
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An Inside Climate News investigation has identified more than a dozen journalists who have faced retaliation for reporting on environmental destruction and human rights abuses tied to China’s ventures in African countries, likely a stark undercount. Many of those cases involve projects under Beijing’s $1.3 trillion Belt and Road Initiative, a massive investment effort into mines, ports, railways, pipelines and other infrastructure in mostly poor countries.
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When a project carries political weight for both the Chinese government and local authorities, that’s often when repression happens, according to Sarah Cook, author of the UnderReported China newsletter who has studied the country’s media influence operations for more than 15 years.
“If there are muckraking journalists or whistleblowers who might expose environmental issues, it could potentially be in the interest of both the local actors and the Chinese-linked ones to put a stop to that,” Cook said.
That suppression hides or sanitizes environmental and human rights abuses, even as Chinese President Xi Jinping promotes the Belt and Road Initiative as a model of “green” development and positions China as a global climate leader.
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China’s media influence campaign targets a continent crucial to the planet’s climate and ecological balance. Africa is home to the world’s second-largest rainforest, vast carbon-rich peatlands and a quarter of all mammal species, including endangered mountain gorillas, pangolins and chimpanzees. Its degradation threatens not only 1.5 billion Africans, but also Earth itself.
Polluting companies from other nations have been linked to attacks on journalists, too. But China’s role is distinct.
“We’re talking about a nation that is not only highly repressive but also the second-largest economy globally,” said Cook, who worked for years for Freedom House, which defends civil liberties around the globe. “This creates an unprecedented situation.”
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Censorship is only half the story. Journalists across the Global South are regularly flown to China on all-expense-paid trips that function like indoctrination, according to some participants. Chinese officials have also showered underfunded news organizations in other countries with investments and gifts—from computers to cell phones—and later exerted influence to spike stories and promote flattering coverage, journalists and government officials interviewed for this article said.
“The Chinese are very good with disseminating their agenda,” said Leo Mutisya, manager of press freedom and advocacy at the Media Council of Kenya, an independent government institution tasked with protecting media independence.
Mutisya pointed to the reach of Chinese state media in Kenya, their sprawling Nairobi offices and their cozy ties with the Kenya Broadcasting Corp., which gives a regular slot to one Chinese network and a radio frequency to another. (The Kenya Broadcasting Corp. did not respond to requests for comment.) Chinese officials also organize private lunches and parties with Kenyan journalists and editors, Mutisya added, and sponsor the country’s annual journalism awards—handing out Huawei smartphones to winners.
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China has cast its overseas mining and other ventures not as a new form of imperialism but as “win-win” partnerships among nations of the Global South—countries, it says, long oppressed by Western exploitation. The message resonates in places like Zimbabwe, where resentment of Western interference runs deep and memories of colonial horrors remain vivid.
After winning independence from Britain in 1980, freedom fighter Robert Mugabe came to power in Zimbabwe as a symbol of unity and liberation. But by the late 1990s, his rule had hardened into autocracy—marked by election rigging, repression and state violence. Western nations responded with sweeping sanctions, in part over human rights abuses but also over Zimbabwe’s efforts to redress deep land inequities left by racist colonial rule.
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Beijing’s lending to Zimbabwe has come free from Western pressure to improve democracy and human rights—a hallmark of what Beijing calls its “noninterference” policy.
But that principle, said Richardson, who is also co-executive director of Chinese Human Rights Defenders, is “nothing more than words on paper.”
“The Chinese government interferes left, right and center,” Richardson said, adding that Beijing spends “massive amounts of time and money and effort on putting forward and protecting a very particular image of what it is.”
Environmental reporters and researchers across Africa described how that influence plays out in the media.
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How China Silences Environmental Reporters Beyond Its Borders - Inside Climate News
Journalists who report on the harms caused by China’s overseas infrastructure buildout in Africa face intimidation, surveillance and police pressure.Inside Climate News
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Higher resolution climate models show 41% increase in daily extreme land precipitation by 2100
Despite continuous efforts to evaluate and predict changes in Earth's climate, most models still struggle to accurately simulate extreme precipitation events. Models like the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project Phases 5 and 6 (CMIP5 and CMIP6) use fairly coarse resolution due to computing constraints, making it a little easier, faster and less expensive to run simulations, while still providing some degree of accuracy.However, a new study, published in Nature Geoscience, is shedding light on some of the features missed by these coarser resolution models.
The team involved in the study developed a higher resolution model that breaks up the atmosphere into 10–25 km (6–15.5 mile) squares for analysis, instead of 100 km (62 mile) squares. Their high-resolution model is based on the Community Earth System Model v.1.3 (CESM-HR), which looks at the time period between 1920–2100. These results are then compared with the low-resolution version's (CESM-LR) results.
Higher resolution climate models show 41% increase in daily extreme land precipitation by 2100
Despite continuous efforts to evaluate and predict changes in Earth's climate, most models still struggle to accurately simulate extreme precipitation events.Krystal Kasal (Phys.org)
China Offers Panda Totes, but No New Commitments, at Climate Talks
For evidence of China’s prominence at the United Nations climate summit in Brazil, look no further than the convention hall, where China boasts one of the largest pavilions, prominently located in the center next to the host country.
Before a fire tore through part of the Pavilion Hall on Thursday, throngs converged daily at China’s exhibition area to pick up panda-themed tote bags, listen to energy experts and admire displays of China’s global investments in clean energy.
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But behind closed doors in the negotiating rooms at the U.N. summit, where nations are wrestling with how to move away from fossil fuels, China has been mostly quiet.
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Analysts said China was showing little interest in taking up the mantle of global climate leader.
“It is frustrating,” said Natalie Unterstell, the president of Talanoa, a Brazilian climate research organization. “We would like to see a high-ambition China.”
One reason appears to be self-interest.
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In the real world, the Chinese have provided billions of dollars in loans and grants to poorer countries to help them deal with climate change and to transition to renewable energy. But its delegation at Belém objects to any language that might result in the United Nations requiring, or even asking, it to provide such aid.
When it comes to the most contentious issue in Belém, whether nations will enact a so-called road map for transitioning away from fossil fuels, China has been quiet, diplomats said.
Even though China is currently the planet’s biggest polluter, it “has a strongly-held view that climate change is a problem caused by developed countries, and that they should lead the way,” said Kaveh Guilanpour, a vice president at the Center for Climate and Energy Solutions, a nonprofit group that is following the negotiations in Belém.
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China’s own plan to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions has been criticized as insufficient. The European Union climate commissioner, Wopke Hoekstra, called it “disappointing,” and former Biden administration officials in Belém said it did not do nearly enough to limit dangerous warming.
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China’s top issue in Belém has less to do with leading other nations and more with its own economic interests.
Specifically, China wants to eliminate European and other tariffs it sees as a barrier to selling its solar panels, electric vehicles and other exports to global markets. And, it has argued here that if countries are serious about more quickly bringing down emissions, they should make it easier for China to sell its green products.
“From a soft power perspective I don’t believe China has been ready to play a larger role or even to replace the vacuum left by the U.S.,” said Zou Ji, president of Energy Foundation China, an organization that works with the Chinese government on climate change issues, and a former member of China’s climate negotiating team.
Instead, he said, it is leading by selling solar panels, EVs and batteries cheaper ... than the rest of the world.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/21/climate/china-climate-leadership-belem-cop30.html
EU leads isolated group of countries pushing for global climate action as "axis of obstruction" remains reluctant to quit fossil fuels
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Unpaywalled (archived)The EU and a handful of other countries have been left unusually isolated as they push for action to tackle global warming, after geopolitical schisms spilled into climate policies at the UN COP30 summit in Brazil.
The meeting of 194 countries for more than two weeks in the tropical temperatures of the city of Belém nearly ended in collapse on Saturday when the EU warned of the possibility of a “no deal”. Countries such as the UK considered walking out.
Their efforts to directly reference fossil fuels or ambitious climate action language in a final agreement were blocked again and again by China, India, and some petro-states.
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“At a time when extreme heat, catastrophic floods and wildfires are setting new records every year, negotiators still could not summon the basic courage to stand up to fossil fuel interests,” [Martina Egedusevic, an expert in nature-based solutions and risk management at the University of Exeter] said.
Benoît Faraco, the ambassador in charge of climate change negotiations for France, said the EU and France had fought for a road map away from fossil fuels and deforestation all the way into the early hours of Saturday morning, in “bloc against bloc” negotiations, but to no avail.
“It is profoundly worrying to realise that climate multilateralism is still something that needs to be protected, that there is everything to play for,” he said.
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More than 80 countries had initially backed a proposal for a so-called road map aimed at setting out how countries could shift away from fossil fuels during the two-week talks. By the final night of talks, the EU, UK, Colombia and a handful of other nations remained the driving forces.
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China joined India, Saudi Arabia and other exporters in using COP as an opportunity to spar with the EU over its soon-to-be-introduced carbon border tax. The final agreement set out plans for further trade talks next year.
Other than on this issue, China remained quieter than expected at talks where the petrostates took centre stage. This is despite China’s renewable energy boom and President Xi Jinping’s affirmation that green energy is the “trend of our time”.
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I really wonder about these people's reasoning? If only we call others names in public, bully them, they'll change their minds? Climate action will occur? It's clearly not working!
These other countries are sovereign. EU has very little to offer them. So what's left is to convince them by being a great example of how climate action, energy security, economical wellfare and political stability can be balanced. They'll copy the policy, when it's an example worth following, to their benefit.
Just throwing tantrums like Hoekstra is embarrassing and more importantly contra productive to the cause. I understand that reasonable people don't want to work together with that.
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That's a false dichotomy, a childish one, that hurts everyone.
I presented a third option, one that would have direct positive effect locally, and long term positive effect globally. It's the part of my comment you ignored in favour of divisive rethoric.
If only people, like you, weren't so short sighted, fixated on name calling and bullying. The choice isn't "who should we bully". We should just not bully at all. We could use the same effort to look for solutions instead.
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These countries
You're talking about the majority of the world. If you read the article, the EU is part of only a very small group of countries, representing a very very small part of the world's population and emissions.
We can, and are, antagonizing them all. They can and are simply ignoring us. How does that help climate change mitigation? Or is that not the goal?
You're saying we should give Jeffery Dahmer a hand job to convince him to stop killing people.
Where did I say that?
I, instead, proposed leading by example. To stop the hateful speech and namecalling that is hindering policy change.
I proposed actually developing good technology and policy internally, that others will want to copy, for their own benefit.
What we're currently doing, screaming and shouting like a toddler, is clearly not working.
Given that context, can you see how the people who want to stop putting holes in the boat would get frustrated with the people putting holes in the boat
Yes. Can you see how starting to namecall like a toddler is a bad plan? Now you destroy all possibility of cooperation, and the boat is still sinking. It makes things worse!
would be baffled by someone more concerned about the descriptive pejorative than they are by the other guys putting holes in the boats?
Let's say a boat is sinking. There's people making holes and there's toddlers screaming and shouting and kicking everyone in sight. Can you see how a reasonable person would see both as an annoying hinderance that make things worse, not better? How one group telling they don't like the other group is useless and frustrating childish behaviour - the boat is sinking, remember?
Your whole plan is to show them how things would be better
Yes. Work on technology and policy others will want to copy for their own benefit. It's the only thing that's going to work.
The growth in solar power production, for example, isn't because it's green. It's because it's a cheaper way of producing power in many situations. That's all that is.
The current methodology of bullying is not working, even doing the reverse. Emissions are currently at an all time high, and rising. Your plan is to keep doing that same thing, antagonize the majority of the world, and expect a different outcome?
TotalEnergies faces criminal complaint in France over alleged massacre in Mozambique
As French oil and gas giant TotalEnergies prepares to resume work on its multibillion-dollar offshore gas project in northern Mozambique, it faces a criminal complaint back home over its role in funding an army unit accused of torturing and executing dozens of civilians in 2021.
TotalEnergies faces criminal complaint in France over alleged massacre in Mozambique
As French oil and gas giant TotalEnergies prepares to resume work on its multibillion-dollar offshore gas project in northern Mozambique, it faces a criminal complaint back home over its role in funding an army unit accused of torturing and executing…Conservation news
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COP30 PR Agency Edelman Lobbied Presidency to Favour Fossil Fuel Client
Environmental organisations, climate scientists, and Indigenous groups had already been urging Brazil to drop Edelman from its role handling media relations at COP30, taking place in the Amazonian city of Belém, due to the firm’s decades-long history of representing major greenhouse gas polluters such as Shell, Chevron, and ExxonMobil.
Exclusive: COP30 PR Agency Edelman Lobbied Presidency to Favour Fossil Fuel Client - DeSmog
As Edelman prepared to work on the climate summit’s PR, the agency also lobbied for fuel distributor Vibra Energia to help power it.Maria Clára Parente (DeSmog)
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Biofuels Push at COP30 Could Accelerate Climate Crisis and Threaten Food Supply
The governments of Brazil, Italy, Japan, and India are spearheading a new pledge calling for the rapid global expansion of biofuels as a commitment to decarbonizing transportation energy.An analysis by a clean transport advocacy organization published last month found that, because of the indirect impacts to farming and land use, biofuels are responsible globally for 16 percent more CO2 emissions than the planet-polluting fossil fuels they replace
Biofuels Push at COP30 Could Accelerate Climate Crisis and Threaten Food Supply | Truthout
Despite their positioning as a green alternative, experts warn biofuels expansion could have catastrophic consequences.Zack Kligler (Truthout)
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"To meet growing fuel demands, a GMO wheat - Triticum vulgaris megasuavis - specifically engineered for the production of a new kind of complex grain alcohol will be created and produced by a new trans-national conglomerate headquartered in Rome, Italy. It will aptly be named Biotechnica..."
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It's crazy to me that America is pretty much Night City with the amount of guns they have, but all they've been able to point them at so far was schools, for the most part.
Like these fuckers CAN fight back LITERALLY but they don't. No freedom fighters, no rebels, no gangs fighting for their freedom. Nothing.
America is Night City with none of the glory.
It's such bullshit how blatantly "mask-off" fascists around the world are acting lately, and literally no one cares.
It really seems like they've won.
Well, a plant absorbs co2 when it's grown, to release it upon decomposition or burning.
What am I missing?
The fuel vs food issue is a well known problem in first generation biofuel, has been for years. It's sad to read they're still being developed and encouraged.
There are standards, either in draft or already in place, to encourage biofuel made from second generation feedstock: sources that are not suitable for human consumption, such as agricultural and municipal wastes, waste oils, and algae. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-g…
Has COP30 ignored all of that?!
How it started:
Let's try and at least pretend we're saving some of the planet?
How it's going:
Wanna get high?
Climate Talks End With 'Empty Deal' That Fails on Forests, Finance, and Fossil Fuels | Common Dreams
“COP30 provides a stark reminder that the answers to the climate crisis do not lie inside the climate talks—they lie with the people and movements leading the way toward a just, equitable, fossil-free future,” one campaigner said.
Climate Talks End With 'Empty Deal' That Fails on Forests, Finance, and Fossil Fuels
"COP30 provides a stark reminder that the answers to the climate crisis do not lie inside the climate talks—they lie with the people and movements leading the way toward a just, equitable, fossil-free future," one campaigner said.oliviarosane (Common Dreams)
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the answers to the climate crisis do not lie inside the climate talks
I have concerns that the opposite effect may be occurring. The leading countries in addressing climate change appear to have prioritized their efforts at the expense of industrial growth, energy security, and short-term population welfare, which has resulted in economical stagnation or decline, unhappy populations and political turmoil. Geopolitically, it seems they may have overextended their influence, leaving them with little to offer and they are easily ignored in global discussions.
Developing and manufacturing nations view that approach as a cautionary example.
The leading countries in addressing climate change appear to have prioritized their efforts at the expense of industrial growth,
Personaly, I would be glad if this were the case. Honestly, I wonder how you came to this conclusion
Remember Hoekstra's emberassing speech? Like a toddler throwing a tantrum. (1)
"Under no circumstances are we going to accept this." in name of EU. They accepted it two days later as everyone ignores him anyways.
Almost none of the other countries cares for EU's opinion because the EU has shown that the greenification comes at the cost of most expensive energy in the world (1), deindustrialization (2), becoming completely dependent on foreign r&d and manufacturing. This also has military consequences, as we can view in Russia's war in Ukraine - EU promised aid it can't deliver, leading to strategic mistakes, deaths and military losses by Ukraine. This also economical consequences, leading to political instability and which will permeate to the loss of the welfare state.
We've made an exempliary role of ourselves, in a cautionary way.
We try to convince others by relying on slogans and wishful thinking, on the one hand. And shaming and bullying on the other. Should've relied instead on great engineering that others would want to follow for their own benefit. Show, don't tell.
But we've no such thing - au contraire.
Cost of Electricity by Country
Data and analysis on the cost of electricity in each country, including countries where the cost of electricity is highest and countries with the highest electricity costs.World Population Review
Industrial manufacturing is declining in Europe for sure, but not because of complying to climate policies, as you claimed. Industrial production is falling in most European Union countries, largely due to a lack of competitiveness with China and the US.
Also, the article you linked about the EU loosing manufacturing jobs does not back your claim. On the contrary it says: The move to a sustainable economy is an opportunity to turn the situation around. Towards the end, it also mentions that the EU should make sure that industry jobs are not lost and that Europe's industrial sectors and their workers are fundamental to delivering the climate solutions Europe needs, which are very different things to what you said.
The great decline of European industry
Industrial production is falling in most European Union countries, largely due to a lack of competitiveness with China and the US. The recent Draghi report has urged for significant investment to prevent the economy from 'stalling.'Bastien Bonnefous (Le Monde)
largely due to a lack of competitiveness with China and the US
Where does the lack of competitiveness come from?
The move to a sustainable economy is an opportunity (...)should make sure that industry jobs are not lost and that Europe's industrial sectors and their workers are fundamental to delivering the climate solutions Europe needs, which are very different things to what you said
It's been decades now of supposed opportunity, could and should, of storytelling, hypotheticals and promises, as in your references.
The results are in, the promises turned out false. EU has the most expensive energy of the world, is losing industry faster than ever, there is no novel "green industry". People are looking at reality instead of the fantasy could/should stories.
EU's agenda on climate change is being ignored for valid reasons. We're an unreliable partner in accelerating economical, industrial and thus geopolitical decline.
If we want to convince others on the necessary climate change mitigation methods, we'll have to have something to offer.
We'll have to implement the mitigation methods in a way that shows they're a benefit. So others will want to copy. So far that hasn't happened. We've shown the opposite.
Compromises, voluntary measures and no mention of fossil fuels: key points from Cop30 deal
Compromises, voluntary measures and no mention of fossil fuels: key points from Cop30 deal
A deal is welcome after talks nearly collapsed but the final agreement contains small steps rather than leapsDamian Carrington (The Guardian)
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Microsoft's OneDrive spots your mates, remembers their faces, and won't forget easily
Microsoft's OneDrive spots your mates, remembers their faces, and won't forget easily
: Then shalt thee change the setting three times, no more!Richard Speed (The Register)
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The GOP’s War on Naturalized Citizens’ Right to Vote
In 2025, the Trump administration and GOP officials in key states have viciously targeted the voting rights of naturalized citizens with new access barriers, selective surveillance and intimidatory rhetoric — signaling that the full promises of citizenship, for many, remain unattainable.
The GOP’s War on Naturalized Citizens’ Right to Vote - Democracy Docket
The Trump administration and GOP officials in key states have viciously targeted the voting rights of naturalized citizens with new access barriers, selective surveillance and intimidatory rhetoric — signaling that the full promises of citizenship fo…Democracy Docket
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Von der Leyen demonstrate how to quickly lose credibility on protecting the environment.
Soon she'll tell she wants to fight forest fires without reducing the amount of gas being poured on forests by arsonists.
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Why China Can’t Sort Out Its Property Market Mess
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Web archive linkOnce one of the country’s biggest growth drivers, China’s property market has been in a downward spiral for four years with no signs of abating. Real estate values continue to plummet, households in financial distress are being forced to sell properties, and apartment developers that racked up enormous debt on speculative projects are on the brink of collapse.
There was some optimism that government measures to end the crisis had been working to reinvigorate the market, but in March, government-linked developer China Vanke Co. reported a record 49.5 billion yuan ($6.8 billion) annual loss for 2024, showing just how deep the problems run. Then in August, property giant China Evergrande Group delisted from the Hong Kong stock exchange — making the shares effectively worthless — marking a grim milestone for the nation’s property sector.
China is now considering further measures to revive its struggling property sector, particularly after new and resale homes recorded their steepest price declines in at least a year in October. The slump has heightened concerns that further weakening could destabilize the country’s financial system.
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Evergrande’s downfall is by far the biggest in a crisis that dragged down China’s economic growth and led to a record number of distressed builders.
Founded in 1996 by Hui Ka Yan, Evergrande’s rapid expansion was from the outset fueled by heavy borrowing. It became the most indebted borrower among its peers, with total liabilities reaching about $360 billion at the end of 2021. For a time it was the country’s biggest developer by contracted sales and was worth more than $50 billion in 2017 at its peak. Founder and chairman Hui became Asia’s second-richest person. Over the years the company also invested in the electric vehicle industry and bought a local football club....
How did some Chinese developers get into this mess?
In 1998, China created a nationwide housing market after tightly restricting private sales for decades. Back then, only a third of its people lived in towns and cities. That’s risen to two-thirds, with the urban population expanding by 480 million. The exodus from the countryside represented a vast commercial opportunity for construction firms and developers.
Money flooded into real estate as the emerging middle class leapt upon what was one of the few safe investments available, pushing home prices up sixfold over the 15 years ending in 2022. Local and regional authorities, which rely on sales of public land for a chunk of their revenue, encouraged the development boom. At its peak, the sector directly and indirectly accounted for about a quarter of domestic output and almost 80% of household assets. Estimates vary, but counting new and existing homes, plus inventory, the sector was worth about $52 trillion in 2019 — about twice the size of the US real estate market.
The property craze was powered by debt as builders rushed to satisfy expected future demand. The boom encouraged speculative buying, with new homes pre-sold by developers who turned increasingly to foreign investors for funds. Opaque liabilities made it hard to assess credit risks. The speculation led to astronomical prices, with homes in boom cities such as Shenzhen becoming less affordable relative to local incomes than those in London or New York. In response, the government moved in 2020 to reduce the risk of a bubble and temper the inequality that unaffordable housing can create.
Anxious to rein in the industry’s debts and fearful that serial defaults could ravage China’s financial system, officials began to squeeze new financing for developers and asked banks to slow the pace of mortgage lending. The government imposed stringent rules on debt ratios and cash holdings for developers that were called the “three red lines” by state-run media. The measures sparked a cash crunch for developers that was exacerbated by the impact of aggressive measures to contain Covid-19, such as the suspension of construction sites.
Many developers were unable to adhere to the new rules as their finances were already stretched. In 2021, Evergrande defaulted on more than $300 billion, triggering the beginning of China’s property crisis. Two more property giants defaulted — Sunac China Holdings Ltd in 2022 and Country Garden Holdings Co. in 2023.
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With household debt at a high of 145% of disposable income per capita at the end of 2023, homeowners are increasingly under financial pressure. The country’s residential mortgage delinquency ratio – which tracks overdue mortgage payments – jumped to the highest in four years as of late 2023. Some homeowners are being forced to sell their properties at a discounted rate, which is only exacerbating the problem.
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Chinese banks’ bad debt — loans they no longer expect to recover — hit a record 3.5 trillion yuan ($492 billion) at the end of September. Fitch Ratings has warned the situation could deteriorate further in 2026 as households struggle to repay mortgages and other loans.
A prolonged property slump could also deepen deflationary pressures. Former finance minister Lou Jiwei recently warned that households’ worsening outlook — driven by falling home values — will affect consumption levels and intensify price declines.
According to economists at Morgan Stanley and Beijing-based think tank CF40, the property sector’s drag on inflation could even be greater than official data suggest. They argue that the methodology used to determine China’s official Consumer Price Index understates falling rents, and, by extension, the broader deflationary impact.
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They tried to overturn the 2020 US election. Now, they hold power in Trump’s Washington
Those who tried to overturn the 2020 election now occupy key federal roles, shaping rules and sowing doubt for 2026
The people who tried to overturn the 2020 election have more power than ever – and they plan to use it.
Bolstered by the president, they have prominent roles in key parts of the federal government. Harmeet Dhillon, a lawyer who helped advance Donald Trump’s claims of a stolen election in 2020, now leads the civil rights division of the justice department. An election denier, Heather Honey, now serves as the deputy assistant secretary for election integrity in the department of homeland security. Kurt Olsen, an attorney involved in the “stop the steal” movement, is now a special government employee investigating the 2020 election.
A movement that once pressured elected officials to bend to its whims is now part of the government.
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Mastodon creator shares what went wrong with Threads and ponders the future of the fediverse
Mastodon creator shares what went wrong with Threads and ponders the future of the fediverse
Eugen Roshko, creator of Mastodon
I’ve been enamored with the idea of controlling my social presence ever since Diaspora launched in 2010. Diaspora, like many other decentralized solutions that fizzled out, was trying to solve the problems of closed social platforms: no interoperability, no real control over your feed, no data privacy, no way to opt out of ads, and no way to move your profile somewhere else.While I put up with what I thought was my best choice at the time, which was a pre-Musk Twitter, a web developer named Eugen Rochko was busy building what would eventually become my primary social network, a platform called Mastodon.
I joined Mastodon in 2022 and created a single-user instance at henshaw.social, which I host on Masto Host. I was attracted by the ability to 100% control my social presence using my own domain while also following and engaging with people on countless other Mastodon servers and other fediverse platforms that support the ActivityPub protocol.
Mastodon profile page on a single-person instance hosted at henshaw.social
After altogether quitting centralized social networks (except LinkedIn), I can honestly say I love using Mastodon. I follow interesting people, my mental health is much better without X and Meta (Facebook, Instagram, etc.), and the absence of performative posts is refreshing. I follow and engage with whom I want, easily block bots, spammers, and annoying people, don’t care about my follower count, and enjoy an algorithm-free feed without ads or people posting things for disingenuous reasons. So, it caught my attention when the news came out that the creator of Mastodon was stepping down as CEO and transferring his ownership of the trademark and other assets to the non-profit.I had communicated with Rochko via Mastodon over the years, but I had never had a face-to-face conversation with him. I thought he would be the perfect person to restart the Coywolf podcast, especially given the significant changes underway with Mastodon. But mainly, I just wanted to learn more about Eugen. What did he do before Mastodon? What has it been like running Mastodon? And what does he plan to do next?
Eugen Rochko interview highlights
📝 Editor’s Note
The conversations below have been edited for brevity and clarity, but the original, unedited versions can be heard in the full audio interview or read in the transcript.
- Why Threads interoperability with Mastodon fell flat
- What it will take to get people to switch to the fediverse (open social web)
- Why Rochko views Mastodon as a “social network” instead of a “social media platform”
- Why Mastodon chose ActivityPub and whether or not it will ever merge with ATProto
Why Threads interoperability with Mastodon fell flat
Jon Henshaw: I got pretty excited when Zuckerberg and Meta were being serious about integrating ActivityPub into Threads. And a lot of people I knew were just like, “It’s not going to happen,” and “They’re going to screw it up,” but I thought it was going to be for real this time. And The Verge had a couple of good interviews that convinced me they were committed to it. However, while I saw some really nice updates come through, I also saw some that weren’t so great. It felt like they were making poor choices, likely because of their legal department.Eugen Rochko: That’s exactly how I would put it. It’s like Cambridge Analytica burned them, and they didn’t want a repeat. And that really limited what they could do. I obviously cannot speak for them. I haven’t spoken to anyone from their side for a long time now. But from our discussions when they were launching it, they asked questions about implementation details and how to do different things. It turned out they couldn’t do things because of their legal department, which was highly disappointing. I think the product they launched was promising, but it didn’t deliver to the very end. The whole concept of having federation behind an additional opt-in that people are not even aware of is not helpful, and there are a couple of details that are designed so carefully that it’s almost alienating, like how the pop-up appears every 30 days, asking users if they still want to continue fediverse sharing. As if it’s like, “my god, like I didn’t know, stop that.”
“Continue sharing to the fediverse?” popup on Threads
JH: It’s a joke and terrible. It sounds like it started pretty well. The people were in the right place as far as hearts, minds, and whatever their original intentions were. It even sounds, from some of The Verge interviews with Mark, like the intentions were genuine and that they wanted to create interoperability. But it all kind of ground to a halt because of legal concerns.ER: So it’s far from perfect, but at the same time, I do see people on Threads in my home feed, which is a huge win. That would not have been possible otherwise. And I think it enhances the experience. Some people might disagree because it’s still associated with Meta and don’t want to see anything from Threads. But for someone who cares about staying in touch with more mainstream people, creators, and so on, it can be an enriching experience rather than a negative one.
JH: I totally agree. I was going to say, we definitely know there are plenty of outspoken people and those who manage instances that consider Threads an insta-block. But for others like us, I appreciate that we can follow people on Threads to stay informed. Even with the most basic ActivityPub integration, I can at least follow them, and they might even know I engaged with their post, even though it’s still constrained. There are still plenty of good people on Threads I want to hear from.
Later in the interview, Eugen expanded more on why Threads may have stopped working on fediverse-related features.
ER: I think what happened is that the engineers who were working on Threads were excited to do something decentralized and participate in the Fediverse. And before it launched, they felt like, on an organizational level, they needed to promise something different to Twitter, some more freedom to creators to move around, to have this decentralization that would basically provide a layer of security against things happening on Twitter for them to gain market share. But as it turned out, once they launched, they still got a lot of users, and their priorities quickly shifted. So instead of focusing on missing fediverse features, it became, “We need to build an NBA score widget into the sidebar,” or something like that. And I think that the only way to put this back on their roadmap is for more companies, platforms, and communities to make the fediverse a bigger part of their strategy, which will push them to refocus on it.
What it will take to get people to switch to the fediverse (open social web)
JH: What do you think it will take to get more people to see the fediverse as a better solution? Mastodon is my social network now. I don’t use anything else because I don’t want an algorithm showing me what it thinks I should see, rather than what I want to see. I follow people for a reason. I turn on notifications for people for a reason. I prefer to experience social media that way, rather than every time I come here, it’s just like, “Oh my god, it’s always the same people and the same topics,” which is a bubble, and I don’t want to be part of it. There are other things, too, like the lack of advertising, which is fantastic.A big one is the ability to control my social presence. I’m one of those nutty people who runs a single-person instance. I love the idea of having henshaw.social, and controlling every aspect of my social presence. I love it for brands, whether they’re nonprofit, for-profit, or whatever. I even run an instance for the Coywolf brand at coywolf.social. You get to control everything. It drives me nuts that more people don’t see that.
I know the general answer to why people aren’t there: their audience isn’t. And for many companies, they can’t advertise, and I know that’s important to them. With all that said, what do you think it’s gonna take in society, with technology, something political, or whatever, to get people to finally move over into something like we’re experiencing on Mastodon?
ER: Good question. I’ve been saying this for a long time: if everybody were using smoke signals, we’d all be on smoke signal dot social. The features matter a lot less than the people who are using the platform, and it’s always been that way.
It can sometimes be a bit misleading when you get a lot of ideas and feature requests in a community, and the conversations become, “We definitely need feature X to grow because that’s what’s stopping people from using the platform.” While that’s true in some cases, the sad reality is that any flaw can be overlooked as long as the people you want to reach are there. And that’s why so many people are still using X, which, by the way, is an absolutely god-awful platform.
The most basic answer to the question is that there needs to be more knowledge about what the Fediverse gives you, and that requires more knowledge about what the other platforms take away from you. I think there are promising developments on this front because more and more people care about digital sovereignty. People no longer want to rely on US tech companies, especially if they live in Europe, Asia, or anywhere else on Earth. And what Mastodon and the fediverse offer is a social media platform in your country, local to you, not subject to whatever is happening in the US or to any third-party developers of the software. And I think as more people and organizations realize this, the easier it becomes to convince others to join and use Mastodon on a personal and organizational level.
JH: I love that answer. It’s gonna take education. That answer actually excites me.
ER: It’s a long road because it’s always been about education. Back in 2016, when Mastodon launched, the marketing strategy was constantly explaining to people that Twitter was bad because of how it was structured. The message was: “This is how it works. We have a different structure, and it works differently. Therefore, it will not suffer the same fate.” Mastodon provides an alternative that will not follow the same path. And it’s always been about convincing people of this.
Why Rochko views Mastodon as a “social network” instead of a “social media platform”
ER: I’ve historically overused the phrase social media platform to describe Mastodon, but I think it’s more true that what we’re building is a social network. I think there is a difference in those terms because media is something you consume passively. It’s TV, it’s radio, it’s just reading stuff. Network is you networking with people, you talking with them. And I think that has always been a part of how we think of Mastodon and how we’re building it.In terms of how we speak about it, we haven’t always done that because one of the complexities of doing this is that people care a lot about the words and definitions you use. So when you say, “Mastodon is a social network,” some people would respond, “Mastodon is part of the fediverse, which is the network. So how can you say that Mastodon is a network?” That’s why we’ve been avoiding saying network and trying to be more like a media platform. But I feel we should pivot more toward the term social network.
JH: I think of that concept, as it relates to Mastodon, as more positive and healthy engagement versus everything else being a place where people broadcast and are performative. And that’s probably one of the things I should have mentioned when I was talking about what I like about Mastodon. It’s a respite from the other networks, and I feel like everywhere else is about being performative. I don’t feel that pressure on Mastodon. On Mastodon, I’m just having fun, and I’m engaging with people who interest me.
ER: I think Mastodon and the fediverse are part of the old internet that was more about communicating with each other and having fun, and less about passive consumption and just essentially watching TV, which is what TikTok is, except worse. And I think that part of this is that Mastodon and the fediverse will never pay people to create content for it? Like, you can make money off of being on it by being an artist and offering commissions, or by selling artworks, and you post about it and direct people to your website, but it’s not Mastodon that’s paying you. We’re not paying you to create content. We’re not paying you to get more views and then paying you based on the number of views you get, which is what’s been implemented on almost every other platform. On Twitter (X), you get money for views. On TikTok, you get money for views. So basically, you end up being almost like a TV channel for a TV network, except it’s a hustle, because you don’t have a contract. You’re just trying to make something and see what sticks.
JH: Again, it’s performative. Paying you is just another way to push you to be performative.
ER: Yeah, but the big question is that obviously the market for passive consumption is much bigger than the market for active participation, which I think is some of the explanation for why the numbers have turned out the way they have over the years, because the internet has moved to the passive consumption model.
I personally think Mastodon should stick with an active participation model rather than try to appeal to a passive consumption audience. You can still argue that a passive model would bring in more users and make it easier, because it’s just like turning the TV on and your brain off, but it wouldn’t be the platform we know today. It would be a different platform then. And I think there is still space on the internet for a platform like Mastodon.
JH: I think you could even make an argument that at some point, you could have more real people engaging, creating, and sharing on Mastodon than many of the other networks. I read all the time about a huge percentage of “users” being bots, whether to cause trouble or whatever, but that’s not necessarily what we would consider genuine, active human engagement.
Why Mastodon chose ActivityPub and whether or not it will ever merge with ATProto
JH: From all the decentralized protocols and solutions you were looking at, what made you choose ActivityPub for Mastodon?ER: There was heavy campaigning from people who were working on ActivityPub to make me implement it in Mastodon. I remember GitHub issues being opened and messages being sent. And to be fair, when I started looking into it, I realized that it was more well-rounded than what we were using at the time. There were a lot of shortcomings. As I mentioned before, it was based on the idea of public feeds with extra information on top, but essentially amounted to little more than an RSS feed for a website. There were components for interactivity, and it used a lot of the features that supported Mastodon’s functionality to deliver the user experience it needed. And ActivityPub promised that basically all of that would be baked in from the very beginning, and would be a cleaner, all-encompassing solution, rather than having a mix of XML and different protocols. ActivityPub just felt cleaner and was more future-proofed. It was well thought out, and the fact that W3C was developing it convinced me this is the real deal.
JH: Do you foresee a future where we’ll have ActivityPub 2.0 that addresses concerns people have had about it, like efficiency, scalability, and other issues? Or do you see ActivityPub potentially merging with ATProto or something similar?
ER: I don’t see that happening. I don’t think there’s much to merge. I think ATProto, as far as protocols go, is very opinionated about how things work, and there’s not much room to make it work differently. But ActivityPub is very flexible. And since we implemented it in 2018, there’s been a lot of work on defining how things are done, because ActivityPub is essentially a language. Or rather, it’s a vocabulary, and what developers and the federalists have been doing is defining grammar. Like, how do you say thing A and how do you say thing B, and understand each other?
Some of the most basic stuff is baked in, straightforward, and easy to do. But when you want to do something more advanced, like when you need some agreement, and you can use the same vocabulary, but you have different grammar, you can’t understand each other. So, different platforms have been collaborating to create fediverse extension proposals that define how different functionality is to be understood within the protocol. And there is now quite a big collection of these, and Mastodon itself has worked on a couple, most recently the quote post thing, where we’ve proposed allowing quotes to include consent from the author of the original post to be published. And what I see is that the protocol is evolving this way. So it’s not verbatim the same protocol as in 2018, but on a more official level, it still is. So, I don’t think there’s going to be an ActivityPub 2.0, or rather, I wouldn’t want it to be a 2.0. I think that would be a bad idea. I think a continuation and progressive evolution of the protocol is going to happen, is happening, and is a good thing. But a clean break would at this point no longer be a good thing.
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Jon Henshaw: I’m here with the creator of Mastodon, Eugen Rochko, and I’m excited to finally meet you.Eugen Rochko …and I’m excited to talk to you in person. Well, not in person, but you know what I mean.
JH: It’s more in person than it’s ever been. Yeah. As opposed to the random Mastodon post. Yeah. So it’s neat to see somebody from afar and just get to to know them a little bit. So one of the one of the reasons I really wanted to reach out to you was just the announcement that that you were leaving Mastodon, at least in your current capacity. I know you’re still gonna be an advisor, but I felt that personally because I had a software company for about 10 years and it was the greatest feeling ever to finally like be able to leave that, you know, because I was ready to leave it for years, but couldn’t.
Are you feeling sort of a similar relief of like, even though you’ve loved it and you made it and stuff to be able to move on to something new?
ER: Yeah, I mean, I’d say it’s like a mixed bag of feelings because there is definitely an element of relief. A relief that I’ve only felt in a similar way when I went on my honeymoon with my wife. And for the first time, Mastodon had a DevOps engineer and some other people to actually run it and handle all the tasks while I was gone.
Like that was the relief I felt back then. It’s like, oh, finally, I don’t have to do everything. I can just forget about it for a while. And I’m feeling a similar relief now, which is, finally, after 10 long years, this is kind of not my problem anymore.
JH: That is a really good feeling to go on vacation, in your case you’re honeymoon, and to know that there’s somebody there who can actually fix something or deal with something while you’re gone. You can actually just relax for like the first.
ER: Yeah, yeah. That’s been one of the hardest parts, I think, is because a long time I’ve been doing this alone. I started working on Mastodon in 2016, and it wasn’t until 2023 that we officially had a second hire, I think.
It’s not that, I mean, it has to be specified that alone, by alone, I mean like working on it full-time or like even being on the team officially, because there’s been people who freelanced for me before that. And obviously there’s a lot of contributors from the community to the open source software of Mastodon, but 2023 was the first time that we had somebody to handle the tasks of running Mastodon social and handling maintenance of the repository without me and so on and so forth. And since then I’ve only delegated more and more tasks. Now there’s a lot of people working for Mastodon, I have to add an asterisk by a lot. I mean like about 10 or so. I don’t mean like, you know, because in the software world, a lot can mean a lot. Mastodon is still a very, very small organization in the scheme of things, but compared to 2016, it’s 10 times larger.
JH: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I want to get more into some Mastodon related questions, but I’m always interested in more of the career origin story. And so I kind of want to start at the beginning of your career and just ask you what got you into coding? Like what drew you to it? How did you sort of start?
ER: Gosh, okay, that’s going way back. Well, I think my first coding attempts were I wanted to make a video game. I was a child. It was before I moved to Germany, so it was before I was 12. I don’t know, could have been 10. I think I had bootleg copies of some game maker software. Obviously I of course had some 3D modeling software as well as I was, know, born in Russia. It was the peak of the bootleg industry over there. To buy some software, you would go to the market and you would just buy like a CD with a hundred different pieces of software for, I don’t know, the equivalent of probably one dollar. And it came with a key gen included and sometimes it didn’t even need a keygen, dependent on the software and how secure it was originally. But yeah, so I had access to 3D modeling software and some game making programs. I don’t remember which anymore. There was different game makers at the time. And I remember just messing around trying to make something.
I think the peak of what I achieved back then was having like a shiny ball sphere move around through terrain in three dimensions and that was about it. Like my first attempts I remember some programming that I didn’t really understand back then was like piecing together documentation and just literally like a monkey and a typewriter type thing until something works.
JH: Trial and error, figuring it out until something.
ER: Exactly. And then it wasn’t until a couple years later after I moved to Germany where I got into making websites and it was because I was… Well, I wanted to make a fan site for a cartoon that I was watching at the time. Avatar the Last Airbender, one of the best cartoons out there. So I was like… It was at the time that I think the second or third season were just coming out and there was a lot of online discussions about it and I was reading all of these fan sites and I wanted to be part of it. So I was coding my own as well.
It was like my first foray into HTML and then eventually upgrading to PHP and trying to build more fun features into the site, like having a forum and stuff like that. And that was all very extremely basic. And I think I probably was like 13 or 14 at the time and I was putting this on like some free hosting platform under a fake name and so on.
I remember being very afraid that somebody would find out that I put like a fake name on the free hosting website and somebody would come and get me.
JH: That’s hilarious. Nobody, nobody can know you though. So I’m, picking up a theme of what I would call autodidact, which is teach yourself how to do these things. It sounds like obviously you you’re learning from other people’s documentation or videos or whatever it might be, but like, it sounds like as you went along, you wanted to do something and you figured it out. Like you just trial and error. Like I said, banging on the keyboard, like a monkey, which we’ve all done.
ER: Yeah, I kind of started my career in software development before I even went to Uni because I was obviously the fan sites that was early work and then eventually I moved on to making WordPress themes and plugins and eventually eventually moving on to Ruby and starting to to do more complex applications and I remember already starting to like freelance to try to make some money on the side and save up. And then…
JH: Are you 18 yet? Are you 18 yet? Are we talking like you’re still 15 or something?
ER: I’m trying to remember. I don’t remember when I started freelancing for sure. I think that my very first small clients were before I was 18. But probably the more serious projects were after I graduated high school. But I went to Uni basically already knowing that I kind of have the skills to make money with this career. But wanting to get a degree to satisfy my parents and have some kind of some kind of safety net. Also because I knew that in Germany it at least from what I heard at the time it didn’t matter so much what you could do as what kind of degree you had to get a job so I kind of like I needed it. My attitude to Uni was like I feel like I don’t really need this but I’m gonna do it just to have a check mark but then, in hindsight, after going to Uni and studying computer science, I mean, I only have a bachelor of science. I didn’t go all the way to masters, but it was very useful, and it was stuff that I learned that I did not expect. And I think it’s helped me along the way. I think it’s important knowledge.
JH: So you weren’t completely bored out of your mind, at least in the first year or two of classes?
ER: I can’t promise that. I have to admit, if we’re doing confessions, I spent most of my university just kind of doing random stuff on my laptop and not listening.
JH: Because you already knew how to do it, right? It’s all basic computer science.
ER: Yeah, but I did, I did fail a couple of exams a couple of times too. So it wasn’t like, you know, it wasn’t just breezing through, it was difficult. And the degree was, was difficult for everybody actually. Like the first, the first year there was so many people, there were so many people in those classes, they were full. And then as you went to second and third year of this degree, you just go into these more advanced classes, it would be like less than 10 people sitting in the room.
JH: Oh yeah, that’s small. So then you kind of kept doing stuff, it sounds like on the side or as a consultant, you got your degree and then looking at your LinkedIn, it looks like you had a handful of regular jobs at companies or something like that.
ER: I was freelancing but that was basically all during university. I don’t know how they’re chronological on on linkedin specifically but most of them were kind of ongoing on and off for you know during university and funnily enough Mastodon was one of the things I was also doing in university to not pay attention to class.
JH: Okay, that’s kind of the timeframe is 2016.
ER: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think if I remember looking up the first commit in the GitHub repositories from March 2016 and then it wasn’t public on Hacker News until I think September 2016. that was the time that was being developed for the first time.
JH: When I think of something like Mastodon, it’s like audacious, you know, it’s sort of like, I’m going to make a thing to compete against the big ones, the Twitter at the time and so on.
What was sort of like going through your mind at the time that this is going to be sort of a fun project. Maybe somebody will use it or you’re like, or was it on the further extreme of just like, I’m going to create the alternative that everybody switches to, you know, in this federated type of approach.
ER: I mean, I guess the big secret is that I didn’t think that it would be competing with Twitter and do all of that ambitious stuff. I just wanted to work on a fun project and I wanted to have an alternative to a website that I didn’t like anymore. And to be fair, I did research. How could I make this better for other people as well? I remember interviewing some people on forums and stuff, like what do you wish was different about Twitter, and trying to build it around those expectations. It was also the kind of the post-Gamergate period on Twitter. So like a lot of people were traumatized by how that platform was, and how many alt-right and Nazi people were active on it. And so that influenced a lot in how the initial mass was being developed because I was trying to make it like, how do we prevent this? How do we make this safer?
JH: Was the Fediverse component always a part of it or did that come later?
ER: No, absolutely, yeah. Because my first contact with the Fediverse was actually not building Mastodon, but using a platform called GNU Social. And my first ideas were to build a Tweet Deck equivalent for GNU Social. And it wasn’t until I started working on it and wanted to start looking up the documentation for the Social API that realized that it would actually be simpler to try and make a start from a blank slate than try to fit my expectations onto a somewhat antiquated piece of software by that time.
JH: Was there a solution prior to ActivityPub? Because I think I read somewhere that ActivityPub was added later.
ER: True. the first platform, actually you know what I’m not going to make the statement the first federated platform because I don’t know, technically email is federated. The first social federated platform, social media-like federated platform that I know of was Identica founded by even in 2010 I think around that time.
I remember I might have used it or I might have at least seen it at the time because I had friends who were programmers who were very into this federation idea.
But I wasn’t super heavily aware of it or interested. I was just kind of aware that it’s there. There were more interesting things happening. I think Google Wave something was the first experiment. First experiment, I remember people creating links and then having a shared workspace. Everyone was typing at the same time. It was revolutionary at the time.
JH: Now it’s another dead Google product.
ER: Yes, among thousands. But yeah, so I was kind of aware that this kind of space existed when I started looking for it again in 2016.
By the time that I came back to GNU Social, the ecosystem and the protocol was called OStatus. I don’t know if it was originally called that or if it kind of transitioned to being that over between 2010 and 2016. It’s possible it was OStatus from the very beginning. I know that it was never a completed standard. It was always basically what’s called a draft. So it was a collection of different component protocols, but also some of them were in draft stage, some were actual standards like Webfinger. And basically that’s how this whole thing worked. It was centered around the concept of feeds, kind of like RSS feeds, but they were using Atom with some extensions, some of the activity streams extensions that are kind of the same as what we’re using in ActivityPub. It was like the predecessor for basically telling in more detail, like what is this activity? What is it doing? What is the metadata for like attached images and whatnot? And so obviously I was never and have never been a protocol designer. So I just, you know, researched how did GNU Social do it, what’s this protocol, how do you implement it, and I tried to do the same with Mastodon. There were other examples. GNU Social itself was open source, so could always look up how did they do this, how did they do that, but there were a couple other Fediverse projects that I was able to look up to solve.
JH: I think there was Diaspora back then and some other things.
ER: Diaspora was there, but Diaspora, to be fair, was not part of the Fediverse. They had their own. They were also federated social media platform, but they had their own protocol that was Diaspora specific. And I never, I remember being interested in it. And I think a couple of years earlier than that, when they had their Kickstarter.
JH: (18:17.006)You’re saying to Diaspora is sort of like its own non-federated protocol. I was gonna ask you, do you remember TentIO?
ER: Yes, yes, I do remember.
JH: Was that also sort of like not federated?
ER: Just a correction, I did not say Diaspora was not federated, because I think it was. It was just not, it was not using the same protocol as everything else that I was using. And I think the same is true for TentIO. I think it was its own project that was like trying to do it in a new way. And I don’t know much else beyond that. I remember looking at their website. I don’t remember what it said.
JH: I just remember thinking Diaspora hadn’t really worked out that well. and TentIO just really intrigued me. I was like, this is going to finally be it. Like, this will be the one, that’s going to work. And, and I was, I had my own service. I was going to call it camp out cause it was called tent. You know, it was very clever. That was a joke. And then it just like went away and I was so frustrated. It’s like watching these different attempts sort of happen. and then came along ActivityPub and then came along Mastodon. I meant Mastodon came in and then ActivityPub. What about ActivityPub from all the protocols and solutions you were looking out there got you to be like, I’m going to commit to this. Like, this is going to be the protocol that’s going to be used for Mastodon moving forward.
ER: Well, there was heavy campaigning from people who were working on ActivityPub to make me implement it in Mastodon. I remember GitHub issues being opened and messages being sent. And to be fair, when I started looking into it, I realized that it was more well-rounded than what we using at the time. There were a lot of shortcomings. As I mentioned before, was based around the idea of public feeds with extra information on top, but essentially not much more than having an RSS feed for a website. And there were components for interactivity. Obviously, it was using something called Salmon to send replies back to people. But a lot of the stuff that supported Mastodon’s functionality to actually get get the user experience to be what it needed to be was, let’s say creative, applications of that protocol or stretching it to its limit. And ActivityPub promised to basically all of that has been baked in from the very beginning. And it would just be a cleaner, all-encompassing solution, rather than having this mix of XML and different protocols and it just felt cleaner and like it was more future-proof, like it was actually thought out and of course the fact that it was being developed by W3C convinced me as well because like okay this is the real deal.
JH: Standards-based. Do you foresee a future where we’ll call it ActivityPub 2.0, whatever, you we want to call it. But just a future where that protocol kind of addresses concerns people have had about it, concerns around like efficiency or scalability and that type of thing. Or do you see ActivityPub potentially kind of merging with something like an ATProto or something like.
ER: I don’t see that happening. I don’t think that there’s a lot there to merge, if I’m honest. think that ATPoto is very, as far as protocols go, it’s very opinionated about how things work and there’s not a lot of room for making it work differently. But ActivityPub, on the other hand, is very flexible and over the past, how many years since it’s been since 2017 when we first started discussing it. think in Mastodon was implemented in 2018. I remember the big launch. There’s been a lot of work on defining how things are done because essentially what ActivityPub is, it’s kind of a language. It’s a, or rather it’s a vocabulary and what developers and the federalists have been doing is defining grammar. Like how do you say thing A and how do you say thing B and understand each other? Some of that is baked in. So some of the most basic stuff is baked in and very straightforward and easy to do. But when you want to do something more advanced, you need some kind of agreement because you can use the same vocabulary, but if you have different grammar, it can basically, it doesn’t help you understand each other. So different platforms have been collaborating to create Fediverse extension protocols or proposals, sorry, proposals, not protocols, to define how different functionality is actually to be understood within the protocol. And there is now quite big collection of these and, and Mastodon itself has worked on a couple, most recently the quote post thing, where we’ve worked on a proposal that would allow quotes to include consent from the author of the original post to be published. And what I see is that the protocol is evolving this way. So it’s not, it’s not, verbatim the same protocol that it was in 2018 but also on a more official level it still is, right. So, I don’t think there’s going to be an ActivityPub 2.0 or rather I yeah I would I wouldn’t want it to be a 2.0 I think that would be a bad idea I think a continuation and progressive evolution of the protocol is going to happen is happening and is a good thing. But a clean break would at this point no longer be a good thing. It’s kind of like, I mean, why did Blizzard turn Overwatch into Overwatch 2, right? What was the point of that? It became kind of a worse game.
JH: It’s interesting because, one of the things I heard was with quote posts, which is something I wrote about because I was pretty excited about it. I wrote about that on Coywolf because I really liked sort of the controls that were baked in for the user from a safety perspective. What I pick up on is I feel like Mastodon is in a position to help push the protocol to a better place. So if I heard you correctly, the way quote posts were done in Mastodon helped create sort of a proposal for how that could be, the rules around that could be handled in the protocol. And either they’re already done the same way, or if ActivityPub adopts that, then the people working on Mastodon today would would tweak the code to work with whatever changes remain to ActivityPub.
ER: Mostly right.
JH: It doesn’t have to be completely right. Cause I’m not saying I know exactly everything I know what I’m talking about. So, okay.
I got pretty excited when, Zuckerberg and Meta were actually being serious about integrating ActivityPub into threads. And a lot of people I knew were just like, it’s not going to happen. They’re going to screw it up. They’re going to like, you know, whatever. like, no, I think, I think it’s for real this time. And The Verge had a couple of good interviews, you know, where it’s like, no, I think they’re really committed to it. And, we had some really nice updates that came through. I didn’t like them all. It felt like they were making really poor choices because of maybe their legal department, you know, where they’re making it so convoluted.
ER: That’s exactly how I would put it. It’s like they’ve been burned by Cambridge Analytica and they didn’t want to repeat of that. And that really limited what they were able to do and what they are able to do. I obviously cannot speak for them. I haven’t heard, I haven’t spoken to anyone from their side for a long time now. But from our discussions when they were launching it and they were asking questions about implemention details and how to do this, how to do that and us asking them like what will you be able to do? Just a lot of it is like we can’t do that because of legal which ended up being extremely disappointing from my perspective because I think the product that they launched is just it’s the promise is there but it really does not deliver to the very end because this the whole concept of federation is behind an additional opt-in that people are not even aware about is not helpful and there are a couple of details about that like like designed so carefully that it’s almost alienating like how the pop-up appears like 30 days every 30 days asking if you still want to continue fediverse sharing as if it’s like, my god, like I didn’t know, stop it, you know, like.
JH: It’s a joke. I mean, it is terrible what it ended up becoming. And it sounds like it started off pretty good. The people were in the right place as far as like hearts, minds, whatever, whatever their intentions were. It even sounds like from some of The Verge interview stuff with Mark that that was, you know, genuine intention to do these things to create interoperability. But it all kind of ground to a halt because of legal concerns is what it sounds like.
ER: So it’s far from perfect, but at the same time I do see, you know, people on threads in my home feed or master, which is already a huge win. I mean, that would not have been possible otherwise. And I think it enhances the experience. Some people might disagree because like, people using Threads. I don’t want to see them. I don’t want to know about them, but you know, for somebody who cares a little bit about, you know, being in touch with some more mainstream people, creators and so on, it can be an enhancing experience rather than a negative one.
JH: I totally agree. I was going to say, we definitely, more you than me know there are plenty of outspoken people and plenty of people who manage instances that are like, Threads is an insta-block. But for others, which it sounds like you and I are kind of similar. I appreciate it at the very least to be able to follow some people to be informed where I wouldn’t otherwise if they didn’t have even the most basic of ActivityPub type of integration, where I could at least follow or they might even know I had some interaction, even though it’s very limited because of the way they have it locked down. I really like it. Like I, there are still good, there are plenty of good people on Threads, that I want to hear from. I want to know when they post something. Sometimes it’s even a brand, but you know, usually it’s a person, a journalist, whatever it might be, that that’s what they’ve chosen and that’s fine, that’s their choice.
What do you think it will take to get more people. I know this is not first time you’ve been asked this question to get more people to be like, this is a better solution. From my perspective, Mastodon is my social network now. I don’t really use anything else. and, and that’s because I don’t want some algorithm showing me what it wants to show me versus like what I actually want to see. Like I follow people for a reason. I turn on notifications for people for a reason. Like I want to experience social in that way versus like every time I come there, it’s just like, oh my God, it’s always the same people that they want me to see their post and always the same topics that they’re trying to get me to see, which is a bubble or whatever I don’t want to be a part of.
There’s also other things, know, it’s the lack of advertising is kind of fantastic. There’s so much about it, controlling my social presence. I run, I’m one of those nutty people who runs a single person instance because I love it. I love the idea that I have henshaw.social and I control every aspect of my social presence. I love it for brands. know, a brand can be a nonprofit, or-profit, whatever. I love it for brands, which I’m running for Coywolf at coywolf.social. And it’s like, you control everything. It drives me nuts that more people don’t see that. And I know the answer, I know the general answer, which is, people aren’t there, my audience isn’t there, or it’s whatever it might be. Or, for lot of companies, it’s like, can’t advertise, you know what I mean? I know that’s important to them. With all that said, what do you think it’s gonna take, I don’t know, in society, with technology, something happening, something political, whatever, to get people to finally move over into something like we’re experiencing on Mastodon?
ER: Good question. I mean, I feel like your question evolved a little bit since you started asking it because I think originally I understood it as like what does Mastodon need to do for more platforms like threads to start thinking seriously about implementing ActivityPub. The answer to which would be it has to grow because I think what happened is that obviously the engineers who were working on Threads were excited to do something decentralized and participate in the Fediverse. And before it launched, they felt like on an organizational level, they felt like they needed to promise something different to Twitter, some more freedom to creators to move around, to have this decentralization that would basically provide a layer of security against things happening that have happened on Twitter for them to gain market share. But as it turned out, once they launched, they got a lot of users regardless and their priorities quickly shifted. So instead of, there are features missing in our Fediverse integration, it became, we need to build like an NBA score widget into the sidebar or something, you know? And I think that the only way around that to put this back on their roadmap and on more companies and platforms and communities roadmap is for the Fediverse to become a bigger component in the market, to have a bigger market share because it’s all about people. I’ve been saying this for a long time, but if everybody was using smoke signals, then we’d all be on smoke signal dot social. The features matter a lot less than the people who are using the platform, and it’s always been this way. And sometimes it can be bit misleading because you get a lot of ideas and feature requests in a community and then the conversations become like, we definitely need feature X. This is what’s stopping us from growing. This is what’s stopping other people from using the platform. And sometimes in individual cases, it’s true, but the sad reality is that any kind of flaw can be overlooked as long as the people you want to reach are there. And that’s why so many people are still using X, which is absolutely god-awful platform.
JH: Well, with your answer, you talked about that it likely will take these other platforms having better integration with the vocabulary, the way that ActivityPub works so that like Mastodon could talk to them. I was kind of was going two different directions. I think the one that I was really thinking about was people moving over to Mastodon in a similar way, and for those listening, I’m not saying it’s good or bad, but in a similar way to WordPress, know, where, WordPress just kind of became the de facto CMS because you know, people would, again, would argue maybe not today, but leading up to today, it was so easy to install. There’s so many benefits to it. It’s has a huge developer community. you know, so to the point that in 2025, over 50% are using it.
ER: To answer your more broad question, which is what will it take in society for people to switch to the Fediverse in large? I think the answer is there. The most basic answer is that there needs to be more knowledge about what the Fediverse gives you. And that requires more knowledge about what the other platforms take away from you. And I think there is promising developments on this front because more and more people care about digital sovereignty. People no longer want to rely on US tech companies, especially if those people are living in Europe or Asia or any other place on earth. And what Mastodon and the fediverse offer is that you can have a social media platform that is in your country, that is local to you, that is not subject to whatever is happening in the US. Or for any matter, not subject to any third party that is doing whatever, even us, people developing the software. And I think as more people and more organizations are realizing this, the easier it becomes to convince people to join Mastodon and start using Mastodon on a personal and organizational level.
JH: I love that answer. It’s gonna take education. That answer actually excites me.
ER: It’s a, it’s a long road. It’s a long road because it’s kind of, it’s always been about education. Back in 2016, when it launched the, if I may do air quotes, the marketing strategy for Mastodon has always been explaining to people Twitter is bad because this is how it’s structured. This is how it works. We have a different structure. It works differently. Therefore, it will not suffer the same fate. It provides an alternative that will not follow the same path. And it’s always been about convincing people of this.
JH: That’s great. I think the last part of that that I want to ask you is, does there still need to be certain features that are typical? And I don’t know if that means adding some type of quasi algorithm or adding or whatever it might be. And I know that you’re working on packs, you know, so it makes it really easy for people to instantly follow people with similar interests, which is you know, that’s one of reasons why I use social media is because I want to interact with people with similar interests. And so do you think it’ll likely take adding some of those features and things that you’re seeing success for as long as it fits within the paradigm of what you want it to be. Meaning like at this point, even as I stated earlier, you know, we don’t want it to be algorithm driven and stuff, but…
ER: I think as before the answer to this is a couple different angles. There’s never just a singular answer to these questions because it’s quite a complicated area.
So first packs, we’re actually calling them collections now internally and probably publicly as well. But I do think that one of the things that has always been hindering Mastodon adoption is discovery and onboarding. So on a platform like Twitter or Facebook, where you just have a single website and a database with everything that’s in it, a person joining, you just show them whatever is interesting to them.
You you have all the data, have all the users, search works as expected. It’s the most simple thing to do. On a decentralized platform like Mastodon, there’s kind of no guarantee that whatever the user is interested in is already in your database, and there’s an element of you would browse around other websites to find this content and then subscribe to it. But obviously this is not, this hasn’t stood the test of time and the skillset of an average internet user, people have lost the ability to browse websites. So now everything is a lot more like you never have to leave your interface on Mastodon and you never have to like venture out. I guess unless somebody sends you like a specific link through an instant messenger. So solving the discovery problem, helping people get started with here’s the people I may want to see from is going to be very helpful in that regard. So I think that is the big hope around collections and I think it is going to be helpful. That being said, it’s always there’s pros and cons and collections may also be, when working on this feature, we’ve heard feedback from Bluesky developers who worked on their starter packs feature of how this feature was abused on Bluesky, how it was misused to basically you would create a list of like interesting people and like most of them would be, you know, what the user wants to see. But then you would include like one or two accounts. They’re just like extra and it would just accrue followers and become like a big influencer account or a spam vector or something like that. And so we’re obviously thinking about how can you prevent that? How can you avoid that? But on some level, having a feature like this, there’s always going to be some kind of risk with that. Any kind of publicity always brings with it a risk of it being misused in some way. So, I mean, it’s all going to be tightly integrated with the report feature and all sorts of things, but yeah.
JH: It’s funny you say that because I’ve been doing SEO for like forever. And of course SEO has a pretty bad connotation to a lot of people because there’s a lot of people in SEO who have done a lot of bad things. And it just made me sort of laugh when you’re describing it. It’s like, yeah, I know plenty of people who would do that. I know plenty of opportunists who would be like, yeah, that’s my vector.
ER: Yeah.
JH: But what you did describe, I feel is consistent with the way Mastodon has been built to this day, which I think was also described in the new quote feature, which is everything that, does get added has a lot of thought behind it. And, and I think care and, and I really like hearing that whatever collections ends up being will be the better version than what was, say, launched on a different platform.
ER: I’ve historically abused the phrase social media platform to describe Mastodon, but I think it’s more true that what we’re building is a social network. And I think that there is a difference in those two terms because if you think about it, media is something you consume passively. It’s TV, it’s radio, it’s, you know, just reading stuff. Network is you’re networking with people, you’re talking to them. And I think that has always been a part of how we think of Mastodon and how we’re building Mastodon to allow that. But obviously in terms of like how we speak about it, we haven’t always done that because there’s one of the complexities of doing this is that people care a lot about the words that you use and the definitions that you use. So when you would say, Mastodon is a social network, they would be like, well, Mastodon is part of the Fediverse, which is the network. So how can you say that Mastodon is a network? That’s why we’ve been kind of avoiding saying network and trying to be more like media platform, social media platform. But, you know, that’s, I feel like we should pivot more to the other one.
JH: I think of it as positive or healthy engagement versus everything else being a place where people broadcast, where people are performative. And that’s probably that’s one of things that I should have included when I was talking about things I like to mess about Mastodon is it is a respite from the other networks and that I feel like every other place is about being performative. And I don’t feel that pressure on Mastodon. On Mastodon, I’m just like having fun and I’m engaging with people that interest me.
ER: I think Mastodon and the Fediverse is part of the old internet that was more about, you know, communicating with each other, having fun, and less about passive consumption and just essentially watching TV, which is what TikTok is, except worse. And I think that part of this is that Mastodon and the Fediverse will never pay people to create content for it? Like you can make money off of being on it by, you know, you’re an artist and you offer commissions or you sell artworks and you post about it on Mastodon, you direct people to your websites, but it’s not Mastodon who’s paying you. We’re not paying you to create content. We’re not paying you to get more views and pay you based on the amount of views that you get, which is what’s been implemented in almost every other platform, I believe. On Twitter, you get money for views. On TikTok, you get money for views. So basically you end up being almost like a TV channel for a TV network, except it’s a hustle, because you don’t have a contract. You’re just trying to make something and see what sticks.
JH: Again, it’s performative. It’s performative. Again, that’s just another thing to push you to be performative.
ER: Yeah, but the big question is that obviously the market for passive consumption is much bigger than the market for active participation, which I think is some of the explanation for why the numbers have turned out this way over the years, because the internet has moved to the passive consumption model.
I personally think that Mastodon should stick with active participation model and not try to appeal to the passive consumption audience as much as you could argue that it would bring more users in, make it easier because obviously it’s easier to just turn on the TV and your brain off, but it wouldn’t be the platform that we know today. It would be a different platform then. And I think there is still space on the internet for having a platform like what Mastodon is.
JH: I think you could even make an argument that at some point you could actually have more real people engaging, creating, sharing on something like Mastodon than maybe some of the other networks. I read all the time about a huge percentage are probably just bots, a huge percentage are just there, whether it be to cause trouble or whatever, but it’s not necessarily what we would consider to be genuine engagement.
Alright, you you have been really generous with your time. I have one last question. And that is, what are you going do next? mean, I know you’re still an advisory role. I know you’re not disappearing from Mastodon, but I also know that you’re going to do something next. Like you’re like, this is good, I’ll continue to help, but like I need to move on with my life and do something, maybe something different. What is that?
ER: That’s a good question. As you pointed out, I still have a role at Mastodon. I’m now an executive strategy and product advisor, which is very long title that I haven’t seen anywhere else before, but I guess it fits. I’m basically coaching and advising the new leadership team. I have a lot of knowledge, historic and current, about the Fediverse, the key players, the community and my task is to transfer that knowledge into the new generation of leadership at Mastodon. But also it is to provide a voice during product decisions. So I no longer have the authority to say, we’re doing this, we’re doing that. But I still get to say, I think that this or that is a bad idea and have my opinion heard. And of course I’m still in charge of the merch, which is actually something that’s been bringing a lot of joy to me.
JH: Jon shows Eugen the Mastodon plushie on camera.
ER: That’s lovely to see. That is lovely to see. It always brings a lot of joy.
As I’ve mentioned in my announcement, I’ve been feeling burned out for a couple of years now, since 2022. The collapse of Twitter as a platform has been a good thing for Mastodon in all things, but it’s also put this intense spotlight on my work and put so much responsibility on my shoulders. And growing the organization, having more people has pushed me kind of far out of my comfort zone. And working on merch and the plushies and so on has been like almost like a little vacation within my work. And just because it’s such a physical component that, you know, unlike all of the code that we’re writing that is just somewhere in the ether, it’s a physical product that you can touch and you can squish. And I love the community aspect of it because I follow the Plushodon hashtag and I ask people to, you know, post under it when they get their plushie or some other merch items and I just love seeing people like unpack the toy and play with the toy and like the the situations and scenes that they put it because it’s basically like a character and it gets to participate in all these different scenarios in the world, like sometimes it goes to the polls to vote and sometimes it’s sitting somewhere playing with a cat and some you know and it’s just it’s it’s it’s very delightful thing.
JH: So it’s funny you say that because when I had my company, my very favorite thing was creating the swag and the t-shirts and in my business partner, we used to do these poker tournaments at a conference, the annual conference we would have. And that was the only thing he enjoyed doing like out of the entire year. Out of everything we did in the business, we had to do, is the only thing he actually like enjoyed in life, was creating this special coin, which was just for the event. Everything else he was miserable. But that was the one time where he was happy and had a smile on his face because that was like the thing that brought him joy and everything else was like, I hate this. So I think that’s, you know, as far as you enjoying that, I think a lot of people can relate.
Thank you so much for spending this time. It was really fascinating to me you. I learned a lot. Right now I’m just really thinking about your answer about what’s going to make the biggest change is going to be educating the market. And now that’s where my head is.
Yeah, well, I’m happy to be of service.
Mark Zuckerberg on Threads, the future of AI, and Quest 3
Meta CEO Mark Zuckeberg sits down with Decoder guest host Alex Heath for a rare interview on the future of AI, his feud with Elon Musk, and all the Quest 3 news out of Meta Connect.Alex Heath (The Verge)
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Mastodon creator shares what went wrong with Threads and ponders the future of the fediverse
Eugen Roshko, creator of Mastodon
I’ve been enamored with the idea of controlling my social presence ever since Diaspora launched in 2010. Diaspora, like many other decentralized solutions that fizzled out, was trying to solve the problems of closed social platforms: no interoperability, no real control over your feed, no data privacy, no way to opt out of ads, and no way to move your profile somewhere else.While I put up with what I thought was my best choice at the time, which was a pre-Musk Twitter, a web developer named Eugen Rochko was busy building what would eventually become my primary social network, a platform called Mastodon.
I joined Mastodon in 2022 and created a single-user instance at henshaw.social, which I host on Masto Host. I was attracted by the ability to 100% control my social presence using my own domain while also following and engaging with people on countless other Mastodon servers and other fediverse platforms that support the ActivityPub protocol.
Mastodon profile page on a single-person instance hosted at henshaw.social
After altogether quitting centralized social networks (except LinkedIn), I can honestly say I love using Mastodon. I follow interesting people, my mental health is much better without X and Meta (Facebook, Instagram, etc.), and the absence of performative posts is refreshing. I follow and engage with whom I want, easily block bots, spammers, and annoying people, don’t care about my follower count, and enjoy an algorithm-free feed without ads or people posting things for disingenuous reasons. So, it caught my attention when the news came out that the creator of Mastodon was stepping down as CEO and transferring his ownership of the trademark and other assets to the non-profit.I had communicated with Rochko via Mastodon over the years, but I had never had a face-to-face conversation with him. I thought he would be the perfect person to restart the Coywolf podcast, especially given the significant changes underway with Mastodon. But mainly, I just wanted to learn more about Eugen. What did he do before Mastodon? What has it been like running Mastodon? And what does he plan to do next?
Eugen Rochko interview highlights
📝 Editor’s Note
The conversations below have been edited for brevity and clarity, but the original, unedited versions can be heard in the full audio interview or read in the transcript.
- Why Threads interoperability with Mastodon fell flat
- What it will take to get people to switch to the fediverse (open social web)
- Why Rochko views Mastodon as a “social network” instead of a “social media platform”
- Why Mastodon chose ActivityPub and whether or not it will ever merge with ATProto
Why Threads interoperability with Mastodon fell flat
Jon Henshaw: I got pretty excited when Zuckerberg and Meta were being serious about integrating ActivityPub into Threads. And a lot of people I knew were just like, “It’s not going to happen,” and “They’re going to screw it up,” but I thought it was going to be for real this time. And The Verge had a couple of good interviews that convinced me they were committed to it. However, while I saw some really nice updates come through, I also saw some that weren’t so great. It felt like they were making poor choices, likely because of their legal department.Eugen Rochko: That’s exactly how I would put it. It’s like Cambridge Analytica burned them, and they didn’t want a repeat. And that really limited what they could do. I obviously cannot speak for them. I haven’t spoken to anyone from their side for a long time now. But from our discussions when they were launching it, they asked questions about implementation details and how to do different things. It turned out they couldn’t do things because of their legal department, which was highly disappointing. I think the product they launched was promising, but it didn’t deliver to the very end. The whole concept of having federation behind an additional opt-in that people are not even aware of is not helpful, and there are a couple of details that are designed so carefully that it’s almost alienating, like how the pop-up appears every 30 days, asking users if they still want to continue fediverse sharing. As if it’s like, “my god, like I didn’t know, stop that.”
“Continue sharing to the fediverse?” popup on Threads
JH: It’s a joke and terrible. It sounds like it started pretty well. The people were in the right place as far as hearts, minds, and whatever their original intentions were. It even sounds, from some of The Verge interviews with Mark, like the intentions were genuine and that they wanted to create interoperability. But it all kind of ground to a halt because of legal concerns.ER: So it’s far from perfect, but at the same time, I do see people on Threads in my home feed, which is a huge win. That would not have been possible otherwise. And I think it enhances the experience. Some people might disagree because it’s still associated with Meta and don’t want to see anything from Threads. But for someone who cares about staying in touch with more mainstream people, creators, and so on, it can be an enriching experience rather than a negative one.
JH: I totally agree. I was going to say, we definitely know there are plenty of outspoken people and those who manage instances that consider Threads an insta-block. But for others like us, I appreciate that we can follow people on Threads to stay informed. Even with the most basic ActivityPub integration, I can at least follow them, and they might even know I engaged with their post, even though it’s still constrained. There are still plenty of good people on Threads I want to hear from.
Later in the interview, Eugen expanded more on why Threads may have stopped working on fediverse-related features.
ER: I think what happened is that the engineers who were working on Threads were excited to do something decentralized and participate in the Fediverse. And before it launched, they felt like, on an organizational level, they needed to promise something different to Twitter, some more freedom to creators to move around, to have this decentralization that would basically provide a layer of security against things happening on Twitter for them to gain market share. But as it turned out, once they launched, they still got a lot of users, and their priorities quickly shifted. So instead of focusing on missing fediverse features, it became, “We need to build an NBA score widget into the sidebar,” or something like that. And I think that the only way to put this back on their roadmap is for more companies, platforms, and communities to make the fediverse a bigger part of their strategy, which will push them to refocus on it.
What it will take to get people to switch to the fediverse (open social web)
JH: What do you think it will take to get more people to see the fediverse as a better solution? Mastodon is my social network now. I don’t use anything else because I don’t want an algorithm showing me what it thinks I should see, rather than what I want to see. I follow people for a reason. I turn on notifications for people for a reason. I prefer to experience social media that way, rather than every time I come here, it’s just like, “Oh my god, it’s always the same people and the same topics,” which is a bubble, and I don’t want to be part of it. There are other things, too, like the lack of advertising, which is fantastic.A big one is the ability to control my social presence. I’m one of those nutty people who runs a single-person instance. I love the idea of having henshaw.social, and controlling every aspect of my social presence. I love it for brands, whether they’re nonprofit, for-profit, or whatever. I even run an instance for the Coywolf brand at coywolf.social. You get to control everything. It drives me nuts that more people don’t see that.
I know the general answer to why people aren’t there: their audience isn’t. And for many companies, they can’t advertise, and I know that’s important to them. With all that said, what do you think it’s gonna take in society, with technology, something political, or whatever, to get people to finally move over into something like we’re experiencing on Mastodon?
ER: Good question. I’ve been saying this for a long time: if everybody were using smoke signals, we’d all be on smoke signal dot social. The features matter a lot less than the people who are using the platform, and it’s always been that way.
It can sometimes be a bit misleading when you get a lot of ideas and feature requests in a community, and the conversations become, “We definitely need feature X to grow because that’s what’s stopping people from using the platform.” While that’s true in some cases, the sad reality is that any flaw can be overlooked as long as the people you want to reach are there. And that’s why so many people are still using X, which, by the way, is an absolutely god-awful platform.
The most basic answer to the question is that there needs to be more knowledge about what the Fediverse gives you, and that requires more knowledge about what the other platforms take away from you. I think there are promising developments on this front because more and more people care about digital sovereignty. People no longer want to rely on US tech companies, especially if they live in Europe, Asia, or anywhere else on Earth. And what Mastodon and the fediverse offer is a social media platform in your country, local to you, not subject to whatever is happening in the US or to any third-party developers of the software. And I think as more people and organizations realize this, the easier it becomes to convince others to join and use Mastodon on a personal and organizational level.
JH: I love that answer. It’s gonna take education. That answer actually excites me.
ER: It’s a long road because it’s always been about education. Back in 2016, when Mastodon launched, the marketing strategy was constantly explaining to people that Twitter was bad because of how it was structured. The message was: “This is how it works. We have a different structure, and it works differently. Therefore, it will not suffer the same fate.” Mastodon provides an alternative that will not follow the same path. And it’s always been about convincing people of this.
Why Rochko views Mastodon as a “social network” instead of a “social media platform”
ER: I’ve historically overused the phrase social media platform to describe Mastodon, but I think it’s more true that what we’re building is a social network. I think there is a difference in those terms because media is something you consume passively. It’s TV, it’s radio, it’s just reading stuff. Network is you networking with people, you talking with them. And I think that has always been a part of how we think of Mastodon and how we’re building it.In terms of how we speak about it, we haven’t always done that because one of the complexities of doing this is that people care a lot about the words and definitions you use. So when you say, “Mastodon is a social network,” some people would respond, “Mastodon is part of the fediverse, which is the network. So how can you say that Mastodon is a network?” That’s why we’ve been avoiding saying network and trying to be more like a media platform. But I feel we should pivot more toward the term social network.
JH: I think of that concept, as it relates to Mastodon, as more positive and healthy engagement versus everything else being a place where people broadcast and are performative. And that’s probably one of the things I should have mentioned when I was talking about what I like about Mastodon. It’s a respite from the other networks, and I feel like everywhere else is about being performative. I don’t feel that pressure on Mastodon. On Mastodon, I’m just having fun, and I’m engaging with people who interest me.
ER: I think Mastodon and the fediverse are part of the old internet that was more about communicating with each other and having fun, and less about passive consumption and just essentially watching TV, which is what TikTok is, except worse. And I think that part of this is that Mastodon and the fediverse will never pay people to create content for it? Like, you can make money off of being on it by being an artist and offering commissions, or by selling artworks, and you post about it and direct people to your website, but it’s not Mastodon that’s paying you. We’re not paying you to create content. We’re not paying you to get more views and then paying you based on the number of views you get, which is what’s been implemented on almost every other platform. On Twitter (X), you get money for views. On TikTok, you get money for views. So basically, you end up being almost like a TV channel for a TV network, except it’s a hustle, because you don’t have a contract. You’re just trying to make something and see what sticks.
JH: Again, it’s performative. Paying you is just another way to push you to be performative.
ER: Yeah, but the big question is that obviously the market for passive consumption is much bigger than the market for active participation, which I think is some of the explanation for why the numbers have turned out the way they have over the years, because the internet has moved to the passive consumption model.
I personally think Mastodon should stick with an active participation model rather than try to appeal to a passive consumption audience. You can still argue that a passive model would bring in more users and make it easier, because it’s just like turning the TV on and your brain off, but it wouldn’t be the platform we know today. It would be a different platform then. And I think there is still space on the internet for a platform like Mastodon.
JH: I think you could even make an argument that at some point, you could have more real people engaging, creating, and sharing on Mastodon than many of the other networks. I read all the time about a huge percentage of “users” being bots, whether to cause trouble or whatever, but that’s not necessarily what we would consider genuine, active human engagement.
Why Mastodon chose ActivityPub and whether or not it will ever merge with ATProto
JH: From all the decentralized protocols and solutions you were looking at, what made you choose ActivityPub for Mastodon?ER: There was heavy campaigning from people who were working on ActivityPub to make me implement it in Mastodon. I remember GitHub issues being opened and messages being sent. And to be fair, when I started looking into it, I realized that it was more well-rounded than what we were using at the time. There were a lot of shortcomings. As I mentioned before, it was based on the idea of public feeds with extra information on top, but essentially amounted to little more than an RSS feed for a website. There were components for interactivity, and it used a lot of the features that supported Mastodon’s functionality to deliver the user experience it needed. And ActivityPub promised that basically all of that would be baked in from the very beginning, and would be a cleaner, all-encompassing solution, rather than having a mix of XML and different protocols. ActivityPub just felt cleaner and was more future-proofed. It was well thought out, and the fact that W3C was developing it convinced me this is the real deal.
JH: Do you foresee a future where we’ll have ActivityPub 2.0 that addresses concerns people have had about it, like efficiency, scalability, and other issues? Or do you see ActivityPub potentially merging with ATProto or something similar?
ER: I don’t see that happening. I don’t think there’s much to merge. I think ATProto, as far as protocols go, is very opinionated about how things work, and there’s not much room to make it work differently. But ActivityPub is very flexible. And since we implemented it in 2018, there’s been a lot of work on defining how things are done, because ActivityPub is essentially a language. Or rather, it’s a vocabulary, and what developers and the federalists have been doing is defining grammar. Like, how do you say thing A and how do you say thing B, and understand each other?
Some of the most basic stuff is baked in, straightforward, and easy to do. But when you want to do something more advanced, like when you need some agreement, and you can use the same vocabulary, but you have different grammar, you can’t understand each other. So, different platforms have been collaborating to create fediverse extension proposals that define how different functionality is to be understood within the protocol. And there is now quite a big collection of these, and Mastodon itself has worked on a couple, most recently the quote post thing, where we’ve proposed allowing quotes to include consent from the author of the original post to be published. And what I see is that the protocol is evolving this way. So it’s not verbatim the same protocol as in 2018, but on a more official level, it still is. So, I don’t think there’s going to be an ActivityPub 2.0, or rather, I wouldn’t want it to be a 2.0. I think that would be a bad idea. I think a continuation and progressive evolution of the protocol is going to happen, is happening, and is a good thing. But a clean break would at this point no longer be a good thing.
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Jon Henshaw: I’m here with the creator of Mastodon, Eugen Rochko, and I’m excited to finally meet you.Eugen Rochko …and I’m excited to talk to you in person. Well, not in person, but you know what I mean.
JH: It’s more in person than it’s ever been. Yeah. As opposed to the random Mastodon post. Yeah. So it’s neat to see somebody from afar and just get to to know them a little bit. So one of the one of the reasons I really wanted to reach out to you was just the announcement that that you were leaving Mastodon, at least in your current capacity. I know you’re still gonna be an advisor, but I felt that personally because I had a software company for about 10 years and it was the greatest feeling ever to finally like be able to leave that, you know, because I was ready to leave it for years, but couldn’t.
Are you feeling sort of a similar relief of like, even though you’ve loved it and you made it and stuff to be able to move on to something new?
ER: Yeah, I mean, I’d say it’s like a mixed bag of feelings because there is definitely an element of relief. A relief that I’ve only felt in a similar way when I went on my honeymoon with my wife. And for the first time, Mastodon had a DevOps engineer and some other people to actually run it and handle all the tasks while I was gone.
Like that was the relief I felt back then. It’s like, oh, finally, I don’t have to do everything. I can just forget about it for a while. And I’m feeling a similar relief now, which is, finally, after 10 long years, this is kind of not my problem anymore.
JH: That is a really good feeling to go on vacation, in your case you’re honeymoon, and to know that there’s somebody there who can actually fix something or deal with something while you’re gone. You can actually just relax for like the first.
ER: Yeah, yeah. That’s been one of the hardest parts, I think, is because a long time I’ve been doing this alone. I started working on Mastodon in 2016, and it wasn’t until 2023 that we officially had a second hire, I think.
It’s not that, I mean, it has to be specified that alone, by alone, I mean like working on it full-time or like even being on the team officially, because there’s been people who freelanced for me before that. And obviously there’s a lot of contributors from the community to the open source software of Mastodon, but 2023 was the first time that we had somebody to handle the tasks of running Mastodon social and handling maintenance of the repository without me and so on and so forth. And since then I’ve only delegated more and more tasks. Now there’s a lot of people working for Mastodon, I have to add an asterisk by a lot. I mean like about 10 or so. I don’t mean like, you know, because in the software world, a lot can mean a lot. Mastodon is still a very, very small organization in the scheme of things, but compared to 2016, it’s 10 times larger.
JH: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I want to get more into some Mastodon related questions, but I’m always interested in more of the career origin story. And so I kind of want to start at the beginning of your career and just ask you what got you into coding? Like what drew you to it? How did you sort of start?
ER: Gosh, okay, that’s going way back. Well, I think my first coding attempts were I wanted to make a video game. I was a child. It was before I moved to Germany, so it was before I was 12. I don’t know, could have been 10. I think I had bootleg copies of some game maker software. Obviously I of course had some 3D modeling software as well as I was, know, born in Russia. It was the peak of the bootleg industry over there. To buy some software, you would go to the market and you would just buy like a CD with a hundred different pieces of software for, I don’t know, the equivalent of probably one dollar. And it came with a key gen included and sometimes it didn’t even need a keygen, dependent on the software and how secure it was originally. But yeah, so I had access to 3D modeling software and some game making programs. I don’t remember which anymore. There was different game makers at the time. And I remember just messing around trying to make something.
I think the peak of what I achieved back then was having like a shiny ball sphere move around through terrain in three dimensions and that was about it. Like my first attempts I remember some programming that I didn’t really understand back then was like piecing together documentation and just literally like a monkey and a typewriter type thing until something works.
JH: Trial and error, figuring it out until something.
ER: Exactly. And then it wasn’t until a couple years later after I moved to Germany where I got into making websites and it was because I was… Well, I wanted to make a fan site for a cartoon that I was watching at the time. Avatar the Last Airbender, one of the best cartoons out there. So I was like… It was at the time that I think the second or third season were just coming out and there was a lot of online discussions about it and I was reading all of these fan sites and I wanted to be part of it. So I was coding my own as well.
It was like my first foray into HTML and then eventually upgrading to PHP and trying to build more fun features into the site, like having a forum and stuff like that. And that was all very extremely basic. And I think I probably was like 13 or 14 at the time and I was putting this on like some free hosting platform under a fake name and so on.
I remember being very afraid that somebody would find out that I put like a fake name on the free hosting website and somebody would come and get me.
JH: That’s hilarious. Nobody, nobody can know you though. So I’m, picking up a theme of what I would call autodidact, which is teach yourself how to do these things. It sounds like obviously you you’re learning from other people’s documentation or videos or whatever it might be, but like, it sounds like as you went along, you wanted to do something and you figured it out. Like you just trial and error. Like I said, banging on the keyboard, like a monkey, which we’ve all done.
ER: Yeah, I kind of started my career in software development before I even went to Uni because I was obviously the fan sites that was early work and then eventually I moved on to making WordPress themes and plugins and eventually eventually moving on to Ruby and starting to to do more complex applications and I remember already starting to like freelance to try to make some money on the side and save up. And then…
JH: Are you 18 yet? Are you 18 yet? Are we talking like you’re still 15 or something?
ER: I’m trying to remember. I don’t remember when I started freelancing for sure. I think that my very first small clients were before I was 18. But probably the more serious projects were after I graduated high school. But I went to Uni basically already knowing that I kind of have the skills to make money with this career. But wanting to get a degree to satisfy my parents and have some kind of some kind of safety net. Also because I knew that in Germany it at least from what I heard at the time it didn’t matter so much what you could do as what kind of degree you had to get a job so I kind of like I needed it. My attitude to Uni was like I feel like I don’t really need this but I’m gonna do it just to have a check mark but then, in hindsight, after going to Uni and studying computer science, I mean, I only have a bachelor of science. I didn’t go all the way to masters, but it was very useful, and it was stuff that I learned that I did not expect. And I think it’s helped me along the way. I think it’s important knowledge.
JH: So you weren’t completely bored out of your mind, at least in the first year or two of classes?
ER: I can’t promise that. I have to admit, if we’re doing confessions, I spent most of my university just kind of doing random stuff on my laptop and not listening.
JH: Because you already knew how to do it, right? It’s all basic computer science.
ER: Yeah, but I did, I did fail a couple of exams a couple of times too. So it wasn’t like, you know, it wasn’t just breezing through, it was difficult. And the degree was, was difficult for everybody actually. Like the first, the first year there was so many people, there were so many people in those classes, they were full. And then as you went to second and third year of this degree, you just go into these more advanced classes, it would be like less than 10 people sitting in the room.
JH: Oh yeah, that’s small. So then you kind of kept doing stuff, it sounds like on the side or as a consultant, you got your degree and then looking at your LinkedIn, it looks like you had a handful of regular jobs at companies or something like that.
ER: I was freelancing but that was basically all during university. I don’t know how they’re chronological on on linkedin specifically but most of them were kind of ongoing on and off for you know during university and funnily enough Mastodon was one of the things I was also doing in university to not pay attention to class.
JH: Okay, that’s kind of the timeframe is 2016.
ER: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think if I remember looking up the first commit in the GitHub repositories from March 2016 and then it wasn’t public on Hacker News until I think September 2016. that was the time that was being developed for the first time.
JH: When I think of something like Mastodon, it’s like audacious, you know, it’s sort of like, I’m going to make a thing to compete against the big ones, the Twitter at the time and so on.
What was sort of like going through your mind at the time that this is going to be sort of a fun project. Maybe somebody will use it or you’re like, or was it on the further extreme of just like, I’m going to create the alternative that everybody switches to, you know, in this federated type of approach.
ER: I mean, I guess the big secret is that I didn’t think that it would be competing with Twitter and do all of that ambitious stuff. I just wanted to work on a fun project and I wanted to have an alternative to a website that I didn’t like anymore. And to be fair, I did research. How could I make this better for other people as well? I remember interviewing some people on forums and stuff, like what do you wish was different about Twitter, and trying to build it around those expectations. It was also the kind of the post-Gamergate period on Twitter. So like a lot of people were traumatized by how that platform was, and how many alt-right and Nazi people were active on it. And so that influenced a lot in how the initial mass was being developed because I was trying to make it like, how do we prevent this? How do we make this safer?
JH: Was the Fediverse component always a part of it or did that come later?
ER: No, absolutely, yeah. Because my first contact with the Fediverse was actually not building Mastodon, but using a platform called GNU Social. And my first ideas were to build a Tweet Deck equivalent for GNU Social. And it wasn’t until I started working on it and wanted to start looking up the documentation for the Social API that realized that it would actually be simpler to try and make a start from a blank slate than try to fit my expectations onto a somewhat antiquated piece of software by that time.
JH: Was there a solution prior to ActivityPub? Because I think I read somewhere that ActivityPub was added later.
ER: True. the first platform, actually you know what I’m not going to make the statement the first federated platform because I don’t know, technically email is federated. The first social federated platform, social media-like federated platform that I know of was Identica founded by even in 2010 I think around that time.
I remember I might have used it or I might have at least seen it at the time because I had friends who were programmers who were very into this federation idea.
But I wasn’t super heavily aware of it or interested. I was just kind of aware that it’s there. There were more interesting things happening. I think Google Wave something was the first experiment. First experiment, I remember people creating links and then having a shared workspace. Everyone was typing at the same time. It was revolutionary at the time.
JH: Now it’s another dead Google product.
ER: Yes, among thousands. But yeah, so I was kind of aware that this kind of space existed when I started looking for it again in 2016.
By the time that I came back to GNU Social, the ecosystem and the protocol was called OStatus. I don’t know if it was originally called that or if it kind of transitioned to being that over between 2010 and 2016. It’s possible it was OStatus from the very beginning. I know that it was never a completed standard. It was always basically what’s called a draft. So it was a collection of different component protocols, but also some of them were in draft stage, some were actual standards like Webfinger. And basically that’s how this whole thing worked. It was centered around the concept of feeds, kind of like RSS feeds, but they were using Atom with some extensions, some of the activity streams extensions that are kind of the same as what we’re using in ActivityPub. It was like the predecessor for basically telling in more detail, like what is this activity? What is it doing? What is the metadata for like attached images and whatnot? And so obviously I was never and have never been a protocol designer. So I just, you know, researched how did GNU Social do it, what’s this protocol, how do you implement it, and I tried to do the same with Mastodon. There were other examples. GNU Social itself was open source, so could always look up how did they do this, how did they do that, but there were a couple other Fediverse projects that I was able to look up to solve.
JH: I think there was Diaspora back then and some other things.
ER: Diaspora was there, but Diaspora, to be fair, was not part of the Fediverse. They had their own. They were also federated social media platform, but they had their own protocol that was Diaspora specific. And I never, I remember being interested in it. And I think a couple of years earlier than that, when they had their Kickstarter.
JH: (18:17.006)You’re saying to Diaspora is sort of like its own non-federated protocol. I was gonna ask you, do you remember TentIO?
ER: Yes, yes, I do remember.
JH: Was that also sort of like not federated?
ER: Just a correction, I did not say Diaspora was not federated, because I think it was. It was just not, it was not using the same protocol as everything else that I was using. And I think the same is true for TentIO. I think it was its own project that was like trying to do it in a new way. And I don’t know much else beyond that. I remember looking at their website. I don’t remember what it said.
JH: I just remember thinking Diaspora hadn’t really worked out that well. and TentIO just really intrigued me. I was like, this is going to finally be it. Like, this will be the one, that’s going to work. And, and I was, I had my own service. I was going to call it camp out cause it was called tent. You know, it was very clever. That was a joke. And then it just like went away and I was so frustrated. It’s like watching these different attempts sort of happen. and then came along ActivityPub and then came along Mastodon. I meant Mastodon came in and then ActivityPub. What about ActivityPub from all the protocols and solutions you were looking out there got you to be like, I’m going to commit to this. Like, this is going to be the protocol that’s going to be used for Mastodon moving forward.
ER: Well, there was heavy campaigning from people who were working on ActivityPub to make me implement it in Mastodon. I remember GitHub issues being opened and messages being sent. And to be fair, when I started looking into it, I realized that it was more well-rounded than what we using at the time. There were a lot of shortcomings. As I mentioned before, was based around the idea of public feeds with extra information on top, but essentially not much more than having an RSS feed for a website. And there were components for interactivity. Obviously, it was using something called Salmon to send replies back to people. But a lot of the stuff that supported Mastodon’s functionality to actually get get the user experience to be what it needed to be was, let’s say creative, applications of that protocol or stretching it to its limit. And ActivityPub promised to basically all of that has been baked in from the very beginning. And it would just be a cleaner, all-encompassing solution, rather than having this mix of XML and different protocols and it just felt cleaner and like it was more future-proof, like it was actually thought out and of course the fact that it was being developed by W3C convinced me as well because like okay this is the real deal.
JH: Standards-based. Do you foresee a future where we’ll call it ActivityPub 2.0, whatever, you we want to call it. But just a future where that protocol kind of addresses concerns people have had about it, concerns around like efficiency or scalability and that type of thing. Or do you see ActivityPub potentially kind of merging with something like an ATProto or something like.
ER: I don’t see that happening. I don’t think that there’s a lot there to merge, if I’m honest. think that ATPoto is very, as far as protocols go, it’s very opinionated about how things work and there’s not a lot of room for making it work differently. But ActivityPub, on the other hand, is very flexible and over the past, how many years since it’s been since 2017 when we first started discussing it. think in Mastodon was implemented in 2018. I remember the big launch. There’s been a lot of work on defining how things are done because essentially what ActivityPub is, it’s kind of a language. It’s a, or rather it’s a vocabulary and what developers and the federalists have been doing is defining grammar. Like how do you say thing A and how do you say thing B and understand each other? Some of that is baked in. So some of the most basic stuff is baked in and very straightforward and easy to do. But when you want to do something more advanced, you need some kind of agreement because you can use the same vocabulary, but if you have different grammar, it can basically, it doesn’t help you understand each other. So different platforms have been collaborating to create Fediverse extension protocols or proposals, sorry, proposals, not protocols, to define how different functionality is actually to be understood within the protocol. And there is now quite big collection of these and, and Mastodon itself has worked on a couple, most recently the quote post thing, where we’ve worked on a proposal that would allow quotes to include consent from the author of the original post to be published. And what I see is that the protocol is evolving this way. So it’s not, it’s not, verbatim the same protocol that it was in 2018 but also on a more official level it still is, right. So, I don’t think there’s going to be an ActivityPub 2.0 or rather I yeah I would I wouldn’t want it to be a 2.0 I think that would be a bad idea I think a continuation and progressive evolution of the protocol is going to happen is happening and is a good thing. But a clean break would at this point no longer be a good thing. It’s kind of like, I mean, why did Blizzard turn Overwatch into Overwatch 2, right? What was the point of that? It became kind of a worse game.
JH: It’s interesting because, one of the things I heard was with quote posts, which is something I wrote about because I was pretty excited about it. I wrote about that on Coywolf because I really liked sort of the controls that were baked in for the user from a safety perspective. What I pick up on is I feel like Mastodon is in a position to help push the protocol to a better place. So if I heard you correctly, the way quote posts were done in Mastodon helped create sort of a proposal for how that could be, the rules around that could be handled in the protocol. And either they’re already done the same way, or if ActivityPub adopts that, then the people working on Mastodon today would would tweak the code to work with whatever changes remain to ActivityPub.
ER: Mostly right.
JH: It doesn’t have to be completely right. Cause I’m not saying I know exactly everything I know what I’m talking about. So, okay.
I got pretty excited when, Zuckerberg and Meta were actually being serious about integrating ActivityPub into threads. And a lot of people I knew were just like, it’s not going to happen. They’re going to screw it up. They’re going to like, you know, whatever. like, no, I think, I think it’s for real this time. And The Verge had a couple of good interviews, you know, where it’s like, no, I think they’re really committed to it. And, we had some really nice updates that came through. I didn’t like them all. It felt like they were making really poor choices because of maybe their legal department, you know, where they’re making it so convoluted.
ER: That’s exactly how I would put it. It’s like they’ve been burned by Cambridge Analytica and they didn’t want to repeat of that. And that really limited what they were able to do and what they are able to do. I obviously cannot speak for them. I haven’t heard, I haven’t spoken to anyone from their side for a long time now. But from our discussions when they were launching it and they were asking questions about implemention details and how to do this, how to do that and us asking them like what will you be able to do? Just a lot of it is like we can’t do that because of legal which ended up being extremely disappointing from my perspective because I think the product that they launched is just it’s the promise is there but it really does not deliver to the very end because this the whole concept of federation is behind an additional opt-in that people are not even aware about is not helpful and there are a couple of details about that like like designed so carefully that it’s almost alienating like how the pop-up appears like 30 days every 30 days asking if you still want to continue fediverse sharing as if it’s like, my god, like I didn’t know, stop it, you know, like.
JH: It’s a joke. I mean, it is terrible what it ended up becoming. And it sounds like it started off pretty good. The people were in the right place as far as like hearts, minds, whatever, whatever their intentions were. It even sounds like from some of The Verge interview stuff with Mark that that was, you know, genuine intention to do these things to create interoperability. But it all kind of ground to a halt because of legal concerns is what it sounds like.
ER: So it’s far from perfect, but at the same time I do see, you know, people on threads in my home feed or master, which is already a huge win. I mean, that would not have been possible otherwise. And I think it enhances the experience. Some people might disagree because like, people using Threads. I don’t want to see them. I don’t want to know about them, but you know, for somebody who cares a little bit about, you know, being in touch with some more mainstream people, creators and so on, it can be an enhancing experience rather than a negative one.
JH: I totally agree. I was going to say, we definitely, more you than me know there are plenty of outspoken people and plenty of people who manage instances that are like, Threads is an insta-block. But for others, which it sounds like you and I are kind of similar. I appreciate it at the very least to be able to follow some people to be informed where I wouldn’t otherwise if they didn’t have even the most basic of ActivityPub type of integration, where I could at least follow or they might even know I had some interaction, even though it’s very limited because of the way they have it locked down. I really like it. Like I, there are still good, there are plenty of good people on Threads, that I want to hear from. I want to know when they post something. Sometimes it’s even a brand, but you know, usually it’s a person, a journalist, whatever it might be, that that’s what they’ve chosen and that’s fine, that’s their choice.
What do you think it will take to get more people. I know this is not first time you’ve been asked this question to get more people to be like, this is a better solution. From my perspective, Mastodon is my social network now. I don’t really use anything else. and, and that’s because I don’t want some algorithm showing me what it wants to show me versus like what I actually want to see. Like I follow people for a reason. I turn on notifications for people for a reason. Like I want to experience social in that way versus like every time I come there, it’s just like, oh my God, it’s always the same people that they want me to see their post and always the same topics that they’re trying to get me to see, which is a bubble or whatever I don’t want to be a part of.
There’s also other things, know, it’s the lack of advertising is kind of fantastic. There’s so much about it, controlling my social presence. I run, I’m one of those nutty people who runs a single person instance because I love it. I love the idea that I have henshaw.social and I control every aspect of my social presence. I love it for brands. know, a brand can be a nonprofit, or-profit, whatever. I love it for brands, which I’m running for Coywolf at coywolf.social. And it’s like, you control everything. It drives me nuts that more people don’t see that. And I know the answer, I know the general answer, which is, people aren’t there, my audience isn’t there, or it’s whatever it might be. Or, for lot of companies, it’s like, can’t advertise, you know what I mean? I know that’s important to them. With all that said, what do you think it’s gonna take, I don’t know, in society, with technology, something happening, something political, whatever, to get people to finally move over into something like we’re experiencing on Mastodon?
ER: Good question. I mean, I feel like your question evolved a little bit since you started asking it because I think originally I understood it as like what does Mastodon need to do for more platforms like threads to start thinking seriously about implementing ActivityPub. The answer to which would be it has to grow because I think what happened is that obviously the engineers who were working on Threads were excited to do something decentralized and participate in the Fediverse. And before it launched, they felt like on an organizational level, they felt like they needed to promise something different to Twitter, some more freedom to creators to move around, to have this decentralization that would basically provide a layer of security against things happening that have happened on Twitter for them to gain market share. But as it turned out, once they launched, they got a lot of users regardless and their priorities quickly shifted. So instead of, there are features missing in our Fediverse integration, it became, we need to build like an NBA score widget into the sidebar or something, you know? And I think that the only way around that to put this back on their roadmap and on more companies and platforms and communities roadmap is for the Fediverse to become a bigger component in the market, to have a bigger market share because it’s all about people. I’ve been saying this for a long time, but if everybody was using smoke signals, then we’d all be on smoke signal dot social. The features matter a lot less than the people who are using the platform, and it’s always been this way. And sometimes it can be bit misleading because you get a lot of ideas and feature requests in a community and then the conversations become like, we definitely need feature X. This is what’s stopping us from growing. This is what’s stopping other people from using the platform. And sometimes in individual cases, it’s true, but the sad reality is that any kind of flaw can be overlooked as long as the people you want to reach are there. And that’s why so many people are still using X, which is absolutely god-awful platform.
JH: Well, with your answer, you talked about that it likely will take these other platforms having better integration with the vocabulary, the way that ActivityPub works so that like Mastodon could talk to them. I was kind of was going two different directions. I think the one that I was really thinking about was people moving over to Mastodon in a similar way, and for those listening, I’m not saying it’s good or bad, but in a similar way to WordPress, know, where, WordPress just kind of became the de facto CMS because you know, people would, again, would argue maybe not today, but leading up to today, it was so easy to install. There’s so many benefits to it. It’s has a huge developer community. you know, so to the point that in 2025, over 50% are using it.
ER: To answer your more broad question, which is what will it take in society for people to switch to the Fediverse in large? I think the answer is there. The most basic answer is that there needs to be more knowledge about what the Fediverse gives you. And that requires more knowledge about what the other platforms take away from you. And I think there is promising developments on this front because more and more people care about digital sovereignty. People no longer want to rely on US tech companies, especially if those people are living in Europe or Asia or any other place on earth. And what Mastodon and the fediverse offer is that you can have a social media platform that is in your country, that is local to you, that is not subject to whatever is happening in the US. Or for any matter, not subject to any third party that is doing whatever, even us, people developing the software. And I think as more people and more organizations are realizing this, the easier it becomes to convince people to join Mastodon and start using Mastodon on a personal and organizational level.
JH: I love that answer. It’s gonna take education. That answer actually excites me.
ER: It’s a, it’s a long road. It’s a long road because it’s kind of, it’s always been about education. Back in 2016, when it launched the, if I may do air quotes, the marketing strategy for Mastodon has always been explaining to people Twitter is bad because this is how it’s structured. This is how it works. We have a different structure. It works differently. Therefore, it will not suffer the same fate. It provides an alternative that will not follow the same path. And it’s always been about convincing people of this.
JH: That’s great. I think the last part of that that I want to ask you is, does there still need to be certain features that are typical? And I don’t know if that means adding some type of quasi algorithm or adding or whatever it might be. And I know that you’re working on packs, you know, so it makes it really easy for people to instantly follow people with similar interests, which is you know, that’s one of reasons why I use social media is because I want to interact with people with similar interests. And so do you think it’ll likely take adding some of those features and things that you’re seeing success for as long as it fits within the paradigm of what you want it to be. Meaning like at this point, even as I stated earlier, you know, we don’t want it to be algorithm driven and stuff, but…
ER: I think as before the answer to this is a couple different angles. There’s never just a singular answer to these questions because it’s quite a complicated area.
So first packs, we’re actually calling them collections now internally and probably publicly as well. But I do think that one of the things that has always been hindering Mastodon adoption is discovery and onboarding. So on a platform like Twitter or Facebook, where you just have a single website and a database with everything that’s in it, a person joining, you just show them whatever is interesting to them.
You you have all the data, have all the users, search works as expected. It’s the most simple thing to do. On a decentralized platform like Mastodon, there’s kind of no guarantee that whatever the user is interested in is already in your database, and there’s an element of you would browse around other websites to find this content and then subscribe to it. But obviously this is not, this hasn’t stood the test of time and the skillset of an average internet user, people have lost the ability to browse websites. So now everything is a lot more like you never have to leave your interface on Mastodon and you never have to like venture out. I guess unless somebody sends you like a specific link through an instant messenger. So solving the discovery problem, helping people get started with here’s the people I may want to see from is going to be very helpful in that regard. So I think that is the big hope around collections and I think it is going to be helpful. That being said, it’s always there’s pros and cons and collections may also be, when working on this feature, we’ve heard feedback from Bluesky developers who worked on their starter packs feature of how this feature was abused on Bluesky, how it was misused to basically you would create a list of like interesting people and like most of them would be, you know, what the user wants to see. But then you would include like one or two accounts. They’re just like extra and it would just accrue followers and become like a big influencer account or a spam vector or something like that. And so we’re obviously thinking about how can you prevent that? How can you avoid that? But on some level, having a feature like this, there’s always going to be some kind of risk with that. Any kind of publicity always brings with it a risk of it being misused in some way. So, I mean, it’s all going to be tightly integrated with the report feature and all sorts of things, but yeah.
JH: It’s funny you say that because I’ve been doing SEO for like forever. And of course SEO has a pretty bad connotation to a lot of people because there’s a lot of people in SEO who have done a lot of bad things. And it just made me sort of laugh when you’re describing it. It’s like, yeah, I know plenty of people who would do that. I know plenty of opportunists who would be like, yeah, that’s my vector.
ER: Yeah.
JH: But what you did describe, I feel is consistent with the way Mastodon has been built to this day, which I think was also described in the new quote feature, which is everything that, does get added has a lot of thought behind it. And, and I think care and, and I really like hearing that whatever collections ends up being will be the better version than what was, say, launched on a different platform.
ER: I’ve historically abused the phrase social media platform to describe Mastodon, but I think it’s more true that what we’re building is a social network. And I think that there is a difference in those two terms because if you think about it, media is something you consume passively. It’s TV, it’s radio, it’s, you know, just reading stuff. Network is you’re networking with people, you’re talking to them. And I think that has always been a part of how we think of Mastodon and how we’re building Mastodon to allow that. But obviously in terms of like how we speak about it, we haven’t always done that because there’s one of the complexities of doing this is that people care a lot about the words that you use and the definitions that you use. So when you would say, Mastodon is a social network, they would be like, well, Mastodon is part of the Fediverse, which is the network. So how can you say that Mastodon is a network? That’s why we’ve been kind of avoiding saying network and trying to be more like media platform, social media platform. But, you know, that’s, I feel like we should pivot more to the other one.
JH: I think of it as positive or healthy engagement versus everything else being a place where people broadcast, where people are performative. And that’s probably that’s one of things that I should have included when I was talking about things I like to mess about Mastodon is it is a respite from the other networks and that I feel like every other place is about being performative. And I don’t feel that pressure on Mastodon. On Mastodon, I’m just like having fun and I’m engaging with people that interest me.
ER: I think Mastodon and the Fediverse is part of the old internet that was more about, you know, communicating with each other, having fun, and less about passive consumption and just essentially watching TV, which is what TikTok is, except worse. And I think that part of this is that Mastodon and the Fediverse will never pay people to create content for it? Like you can make money off of being on it by, you know, you’re an artist and you offer commissions or you sell artworks and you post about it on Mastodon, you direct people to your websites, but it’s not Mastodon who’s paying you. We’re not paying you to create content. We’re not paying you to get more views and pay you based on the amount of views that you get, which is what’s been implemented in almost every other platform, I believe. On Twitter, you get money for views. On TikTok, you get money for views. So basically you end up being almost like a TV channel for a TV network, except it’s a hustle, because you don’t have a contract. You’re just trying to make something and see what sticks.
JH: Again, it’s performative. It’s performative. Again, that’s just another thing to push you to be performative.
ER: Yeah, but the big question is that obviously the market for passive consumption is much bigger than the market for active participation, which I think is some of the explanation for why the numbers have turned out this way over the years, because the internet has moved to the passive consumption model.
I personally think that Mastodon should stick with active participation model and not try to appeal to the passive consumption audience as much as you could argue that it would bring more users in, make it easier because obviously it’s easier to just turn on the TV and your brain off, but it wouldn’t be the platform that we know today. It would be a different platform then. And I think there is still space on the internet for having a platform like what Mastodon is.
JH: I think you could even make an argument that at some point you could actually have more real people engaging, creating, sharing on something like Mastodon than maybe some of the other networks. I read all the time about a huge percentage are probably just bots, a huge percentage are just there, whether it be to cause trouble or whatever, but it’s not necessarily what we would consider to be genuine engagement.
Alright, you you have been really generous with your time. I have one last question. And that is, what are you going do next? mean, I know you’re still an advisory role. I know you’re not disappearing from Mastodon, but I also know that you’re going to do something next. Like you’re like, this is good, I’ll continue to help, but like I need to move on with my life and do something, maybe something different. What is that?
ER: That’s a good question. As you pointed out, I still have a role at Mastodon. I’m now an executive strategy and product advisor, which is very long title that I haven’t seen anywhere else before, but I guess it fits. I’m basically coaching and advising the new leadership team. I have a lot of knowledge, historic and current, about the Fediverse, the key players, the community and my task is to transfer that knowledge into the new generation of leadership at Mastodon. But also it is to provide a voice during product decisions. So I no longer have the authority to say, we’re doing this, we’re doing that. But I still get to say, I think that this or that is a bad idea and have my opinion heard. And of course I’m still in charge of the merch, which is actually something that’s been bringing a lot of joy to me.
JH: Jon shows Eugen the Mastodon plushie on camera.
ER: That’s lovely to see. That is lovely to see. It always brings a lot of joy.
As I’ve mentioned in my announcement, I’ve been feeling burned out for a couple of years now, since 2022. The collapse of Twitter as a platform has been a good thing for Mastodon in all things, but it’s also put this intense spotlight on my work and put so much responsibility on my shoulders. And growing the organization, having more people has pushed me kind of far out of my comfort zone. And working on merch and the plushies and so on has been like almost like a little vacation within my work. And just because it’s such a physical component that, you know, unlike all of the code that we’re writing that is just somewhere in the ether, it’s a physical product that you can touch and you can squish. And I love the community aspect of it because I follow the Plushodon hashtag and I ask people to, you know, post under it when they get their plushie or some other merch items and I just love seeing people like unpack the toy and play with the toy and like the the situations and scenes that they put it because it’s basically like a character and it gets to participate in all these different scenarios in the world, like sometimes it goes to the polls to vote and sometimes it’s sitting somewhere playing with a cat and some you know and it’s just it’s it’s it’s very delightful thing.
JH: So it’s funny you say that because when I had my company, my very favorite thing was creating the swag and the t-shirts and in my business partner, we used to do these poker tournaments at a conference, the annual conference we would have. And that was the only thing he enjoyed doing like out of the entire year. Out of everything we did in the business, we had to do, is the only thing he actually like enjoyed in life, was creating this special coin, which was just for the event. Everything else he was miserable. But that was the one time where he was happy and had a smile on his face because that was like the thing that brought him joy and everything else was like, I hate this. So I think that’s, you know, as far as you enjoying that, I think a lot of people can relate.
Thank you so much for spending this time. It was really fascinating to me you. I learned a lot. Right now I’m just really thinking about your answer about what’s going to make the biggest change is going to be educating the market. And now that’s where my head is.
Yeah, well, I’m happy to be of service.
Mark Zuckerberg on Threads, the future of AI, and Quest 3
Meta CEO Mark Zuckeberg sits down with Decoder guest host Alex Heath for a rare interview on the future of AI, his feud with Elon Musk, and all the Quest 3 news out of Meta Connect.Alex Heath (The Verge)
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It occurs to me anyway that making Fediverse apps in the shape and likeness of corporate media was a mistake. Even without the ever-present feed algorithms, people still post as though they are in an attention economy in these formats because they were conditioned to do so for years.
I understand that this was done to make adoption and migration easier, but I feel like the Fediverse ultimately needs to succeed on its own terms.
Each post an intrecate explorable interactive webpage with cool secrets to find?
However, while I saw some really nice updates come through, I also saw some that weren’t so great. It felt like they were making poor choices, likely because of their legal department.Eugen Rochko: That’s exactly how I would put it. It’s like Cambridge Analytica burned them, and they didn’t want a repeat. And that really limited what they could do.
The tone of how they speak about Meta and Threads bothers me. It was incredibly obvious why it failed.
Recommendations for digitalizing old photo prints? and slides?
I found some old photo albums and slides (mostly dating back to '80) and I'm considering digitalizing some of them.
How would you proceed in my shoes?
I have a decent mirrorless camera (plus minimal editing skills) and an office scanner, but I'm open to buy extra equipment. I'm also open to sending the lot to some third party studio that specializes in the task, but if possible (and if it's not much more costly) I would prefer to DYI and process the photos/slides as I review them.
DeepSeek's Strong Comeback: Open-Sourcing an IMO Gold Medal-Level Math Model
DeepSeek's Strong Comeback: Open-Sourcing an IMO Gold Medal-Level Math Model
DeepSeek Unveils the Path of Self - Verified Mathematical Reasoningeu.36kr.com
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Trump’s Peace With NATO Reinforces Its Purpose: US-Led Global Hegemony
Trump’s Peace With NATO Reinforces Its Purpose: US-Led Global Hegemony | Truthout
Trump’s hardball tactics have extorted greater allied cooperation and reasserted US domination over the organization.Zack Kligler (Truthout)
Black History Has the Power to Ignite Movements. That’s Why the Right Fears It.
I looked at the slave shackles in the exhibit. My ancestors wore chains like this one. A bone-deep sorrow hit. When I researched my family history, names began to vanish as I traced it to Indigenous and African slavery. Here, right in front of me was material proof of the horror they survived. What is my responsibility to them?The Slavery and Freedom exhibit at the National Museum of African American History and Culture in D.C. is a soul-shaking experience. Going from the bottom level to the higher exhibits, visitors take the journey from slavery to freedom. I went years ago, and decided to go again with family and friends. During the government shutdown, the closed museum doors were symbolic of a larger right-wing attack. Donald Trump and the MAGA movement have censored Black history, pulled Black books, removed Black Lives Matters icons, and led to a mass firing of Black federal employees.
Black History Has the Power to Ignite Movements. That’s Why the Right Fears It. | Truthout
The administration’s preemptive assault on history is a desperate attempt to stop new social movements from starting.britney (Truthout)
Passeggiata lungo la Via dei Pianeti di Faenza - I Weekend della Scienza 2025
Nell'ambito dei Weekend della Scienza 2025, domenica 30 novembre, dalle ore 14:30, il Gruppo Astrofili Faenza organizza una visita guidata alla Via dei Pianeti: il modello in scala 1:un miliardo del Sistema Solare, con il Sole di 1,4 metri di diametro da immaginare sulla Rotonda 100km del Passatore. Il percorso si sviluppa verso il centro di Faenza lungo Via Firenze, proseguendo in Piazzale Sercognani e sulla pista ciclabile per Granarolo Faentino, fino all'incrocio con Via Gubbio
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Ritrovo: alle 14:30 presso il Parco Veniero Lombardi - Punta degli Orti, in zona Rotonda 100km del Passatore (Bocche dei Canali). A seguire, camminata di circa 1,5km partendo dalla targa del Sole nei pressi della rotonda, per poi proseguire visitando le targhe dei pianeti lungo Via Firenze da Mercurio a Saturno, nei pressi del cimitero.
🌞🔭 Osservazione del Sole: condizioni meteo permettendo, alla partenza saranno messi a disposizione del pubblico strumenti opportunamente protetti per osservare in sicurezza il Sole, tra cui alcuni telescopi solari per osservare la cromosfera, le protuberanze e le macchie solari
La partecipazione è gratuita, ma è necessaria la prenotazione attraverso un messaggio privato, oppure usando i contatti disponibili sul sito www.astrofaenza.it
I Weekend della Scienza sono una serie di eventi aperti al pubblico, organizzati nel periodo da ottobre a dicembre, da Casa Museo Raffaele Bendandi, Gruppo Astrofili Faenza APS, Museo Civico di Scienze Naturali Malmerendi, Museo Torricelliano e Palestra della Scienza APS. Il programma completo è disponibile su www.palestradellascienza.it/cms/images/eventi/2025/WeekendScienza2025.pdf
Northwestern University agrees to pay US government $75m to restore research funding
Northwestern University agrees to pay US government $75m to restore research funding
Agreement will also end series of investigations of university over school’s alleged failure to fight antisemitismGuardian staff reporter (The Guardian)
Valve dev counters calls to scrap Steam AI disclosures, says it's a "technology relying on cultural laundering, IP infringement, and slopification"
Valve dev counters calls to scrap Steam AI disclosures, says it's a "technology relying on cultural laundering, IP infringement, and slopification"
A Valve artist has defended AI disclosures on storefronts like Steam, saying they only scare those with "low effort" products.Jamie Hore (PCGamesN)
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A king's victory is won by his soldiers
(/j they're not monolithic or synonymous)
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A smart consumer will pick the cheapest one that does the job at the best quality.
There is no such thing as ethical capitalism and fuck loyalty to brand trademarks.
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and that their customers are kids addicted to videogames
TIL I'm a "kid" despite being 44 years old
Valve also gutted their LGBTQIA+ content a few months back. And they have had a MASSIVE nazi infestation basically since they set up message boards because Gabe Newell is infamously libertarian.
So... chill a bit with the glazing. They are better in a lot of ways but they are not our friends.
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Gabe Newell is infamously libertarian.
So libertarian he become a billionare thanks to a platform where you don't own any of your games.
don't piss off the customers
Unless it's their UI, they love to do pointless changes nowadays. On top of the stuff mentioned by the other replies
any and all UI changes will make people angry
steam has had so few of them compared to idk youtube that, imo it's fine even if it's kinda pointless
So much this. You can fix blatant bugs sometimes and have people whine because it breaks their flow to have it work correctly.
What do you mean you made it so it no longer freezes for 20 seconds after clicking the Q-button?! I count on that pause to ensure my J-Flame comes at the right time! How dare you?!
Slopification
LOL This is gonna catch on. I've seen things that this describes.
I want to know if AI was used or not to make a game; it’s a deciding factor for me, as I will not buy anything built with AI. No matter if it’s a placeholder or not
Same. Once they dipped into the convenience, I can't believe they wouldn't use it again when they're in a rush, crunching, etc.
I don't even touch games with AI-generated store assets, they just feel so cringeworthy. If you can't afford an artist, just use assets from the game ffs.
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I'm pretty on-record as being resistant to LLMs, but I'm OK wiþ asset generation. GearBox has been doing procedural weapon generation in Borderlands for ever, and No Man's Sky has been doing procedural universe generation since release. In boþ cases, artists have been involved in core asset component creation, but procedural game content generation has been a þing for years, and getting LLMs involved is a very small incremental step. I suppose þere must be a line; textures must be human created, not generated from countless oþer preceding textures, but - again - game artists have been buying and using asset libraries forever.
Yeah. Þere's a line in þere, somewhere. LLM model builders aren't paying for þe libraries þey're learning from, unlike game artists. But games have been teetering on generated assets and environments for a long time; it's a much more gray area þan, say, voice actors. If an asset/environment engine was e.g. trained entirely on scans of real-life objects, like þe multitude of handguns and rifles, and used to generate in-game weapons, þe objection would be reduced to one you could level at games like NMS: instead of paying humans to manually generate þe nearly infinite worlds, þey've been using code which is wiþin spitting distance of a deep learning algorithm. And nobody's complained about it until now.
Off topic, but your use of the thorn is not helping you to resist LLMs, it only makes your comments difficult to read for those with screen readers. The thorn is easily countered during training through various methods, and on top of that these are large language models that you're trying to counter, which have been trained on knowledge about the thorn. Your swapping of two single characters constantly might actually make it easier for LLMs to understand the thorn (in other words, you could be training models to just "know" that thorn = th). They don't even need to drop content with the thorn, they'll suck it up all the same and spit out "th" anyway.
Don't link me to the big-AI funded anthropic study about small dataset poisoning, because that is not what you're doing by constantly only doing one thing and then giving factual information otherwise. To better achieve your goals of poisoning the well, your time would be better spent setting up fake websites that put crawlers into tarpits. Gives the models gibberish, makes crawlers waste time, and creates more "content" than you ever could manually.
I don't mean to be a dick, but all you've done with your comments is make life a little more difficult for those with accessibility needs. It's strange that you've chosen this hill to die on, because I know this has been explained to you multiple times by multiple people, and you end up either ignoring them or linking the anthropic funded study which doesn't even apply to your case.
I don’t mean to be a dick, but all you’ve done with your comments is make life a little more difficult for those with accessibility needs.
It's not even just people using screen readers, it makes sighted people have to do extra mental work too. Whenever I come across a thorn character, it distracts me from processing the actual meaning of their comment, and I just give up the effort after a few sentences. (Case in point: I just skipped the 2nd half of their comment and read yours instead 😅)
You and I are 1-in-50 purchasers, if that. Nobody gives a shit if AI is in the game.
Go grab a random dude on the street,
"Hey! Just one question? If you're considering buying a video game, is the fact they used AI in making it a deal breaker?"
Nobody cares. I'm with ya. Don't fucking buy it, I won't. But enough other people will that it won't make a difference.
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The thing is, with LLM code completion in every IDE, AI features and filters in Photoshop and other image editors, video/audio editing software etc, it will very soon be that there are only games made with AI assistances, and games made by devs lying they used tools with no AI.
I've made a game using AI features all the way back in 2010 - I used the brand new content aware delete & fill feature in Photoshop CS5 to edit visual novel backgrounds. That was AI.
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Epic Games CEO and Fortnite boss Tim Sweeney:
everyone will have to 'fess up to using it eventually as AI will become "involved in nearly all future production."
Once again Epic games act like the moronic villains they are.
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You can tell most everything you need to know about a company by looking at the CEO. That's because they're the leader, they set the tone, contrary to lemmy beliefs. Happy or unhappy employees? Look to the CEO. Solid earnings, year after year after year? CEO. I ask at every interview, "What's the CEO like?" BUT...
A) Ultimately, CEOs do what the fucking board of directors wants, or they get fired, hence, the golden parachute. Would you take a monster job knowing that you could be forced to fuck your industry reputation and not hedge that bet? Nah. Force me to do something stupid yet needful? I want paid when you fire me on purpose for doing what you said.
B) I think you are in an echo chamber around here. Most CEOs are great folks, you only hear about the major fuck ups at the major companies. Also, the decisions the big dogs make that lemmy tells you are unpopular, really aren't unpopular in the wider world. EA Games still exists after all.
Edit: I wasn’t actually disagreeing with the comment above. You should downvote me too.
Board of directors
Correct. The board defines the company, not the CEO.
CEOs are usually puppets. Whatever role they play, you can bet they were hired specifically to play it, and were incentivized to stick to the script.
Their job (legally, their fiduciary obligation) is to maximize shareholder value, to take the credit or blame, and fuck off.
The board (typically key stakeholders) are so pleased when the public focuses on their CEOs, even if it’s for their shitty opinions, behavior, or obnoxious salaries.
Because the worst thing that could happen to them would be for the public eye to actually follow the money, and it’s easy to see why.
If the rabble truly fathomed just how many of those “golden parachutes” stakeholders stockpile with every disgraced CEO, however ceremoniously disavowed…
Accountability would shift to more permanent targets yes but, more importantly, it would quickly become common knowledge that, all this time, there were in fact more than enough golden parachutes to go around.
everyone will have to 'fess up to using it eventually as AI will become "involved in nearly all future production.
True enough! No reason not to say it up front, right?
Look y'all, not 1-in-20 people give a flying fuck about AI like we do on here.
That is true, but for instance Ian M Banks predicted AI being able to make art already back in the 70's in his Culture series of books.
Even accurately simulating famous artists. And his conclusion was that AI should not make art at all, because it would end up detracting from the value of art.
I think the reason the CEO is wrong, is that it will be a legal shitshow, and I think AI art may become illegal, or at the very least required to be clearly labeled as AI art.
We will see how it turns out.
I'll call your bet and say that Sweeny is right. I think AI will become so commonplace that there will be no way around it and the market has already been streamlined in this direction.
I would love it if my "feels" could be seen. But that is not reality. This battle is already long lost. Lemmy and the like can rage about it til their flames die out but it is a lost cause.
You may be right, but I don't think that battle is lost quite yet.
AI is mostly good for memes, beyond that it tends to quickly becomes repetitive, and of little value.
Of course AI art generally has a human "director" guiding the AI on what to do. As I said previously we will see how it turns out.
I'm not sure the end result of this will be within 10 years.
The result is that this is unsustainable unless copyright and IP law except for trademark and authorship are dropped, to avoid imbalance between using AI on existing work to generate commercially clean substance and using your ability, helped by existing culturally meaningful material.
It's basically an IP laundering technology. Supply to satisfy demand.
When libertarians say that regulations make barriers for those more vulnerable, but not for those who can bend those barriers, they are right. Except I doubt many a libertarian expected to be proven right this way 20 years ago.
And I think they might even drop IP laws. When enough elite types are certain that control of computing power and datasets allow them to remain on top in such an environment.
That's also where all the advice to get used to AI in all production comes from, I think, they are already salivating at the thought of just reusing old stuff from enormous datasets, legally, not paying anything, and keeping staff only to do basic control of what the machine generates. Basically people who expect that they'll be able to do the theft of the century and remain elite.
The headlines about AI killing human creativity don't help, they are telling these people what they want to hear.
It won't kill all human creativity. It will kill those relying upon killing it. It's like a gold mine in EU4, except giving inflation 10x the original.
I've just read yesterday what the Russian idiom "red price" means (said about the biggest price one can give for something, and already a robbery). So - the opposite of that was "white price". No, it's not about civil war. It's about copper and silver money. There were not that many silver mines in Russia, so when someone decided to turn the printer on, they'd mint a lot of copper coins. While silver money was mostly foreign ("yefimok", from Joachimstaler, same as taler, dollar, you get the etymology, the international coin of that age, which is also why metropolies had their traditional money and colonies had dollars - dollar meant a silver coin of the same weight as Joachimstaler).
Since I've remembered Russian history, that's also similar to USSR's advertised strong side - instead of relying upon complex evolution process to achieve big things, we'll just build a command system in charge of all our resources and plan the path we already know. As you might see, it doesn't answer where future evolution will come from. It didn't come at all.
Why do they say these stupid things as if they were giving an order?
They can't order people to buy their stuff, they can't order their stuff to work when it doesn't. Having "AI" in it doesn't change the latter part in case they think otherwise, just got this idea.
I suppose they like the change from the old "spend lots of resources, then scale indefinitely" with software development to the more traditional in other spheres "spend constant amount of resources for constant result", and expect it will build hierarchies like everywhere.
Well, companies were going bankrupt long before personal computing.
I don't know about Epic Games, I think I'll play Oolite in free time when I'm done with my EU4 addiction. Or actually make something useful.
As an engineer, tell that to my seat-flattened ass Tim Apple.
Companies that use AI in production are sewing the seeds of their own demise.
"Calls."
There's only one call, and it's coming from Tim Sweeny at Epic. It's just more of his usual yelling at clouds, because he's got a pathological hate-on for anyone else who runs a storefont, including Apple and Google but especially Valve. He hasn't made any positive contribution to the world since about 1998, and at this point we can all safely discard his opinion with nothing of value being lost. He wants to allow AI slime on his own platform because he thinks it'll make him free money, but maybe he ought to worry about the smell coming from his own house before he goes around trying to dictate at others how they should run theirs.
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Yeah. GoG and Humble (as well as many MUCH smaller stores) have very much criticized the de facto Valve monopoly over the years (... decades?). As have many devs who have criticized just how much of a percentage Valve takes (and how they reduce that for the big games). They just generally are smart enough to say it VERY obliquely because they know they don't want to antagonize a rabid userbase.
Epic... Epic increasingly are poised to "not need" PC gamers as it were. Fortnite is its own platform and Unreal Engine is increasingly used by film and industry. So they are much more willing to criticize Valve (and only occasionally remember EGS is sort of a thing...) which... tends to highlight why nobody else does.
Your comment just made me realize I did a kind of GOG holiday sale shopping spree this year after having not done a steam holiday sale purchase in like a decade.
And the majority of it was having cheap easy drm-free access to some very good and very old games. Like yeah I know I have my ISO of the TIE Fighter collector's cd-rom somewhere around here, but if I can permanently have legit drm-free access to all versions of the game for just a few dollars, then supporting the business enabling that is a no brainer.
He wants to allow AI slime on his own platform
Don't forget the ~~blatant scams called~~ crypto games! He proudly announced Epic Games Store would happily sell games centered around NFTs and crypto after Valve said they wouldn't allow it.
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Cool.
Maybe they can also stop forcing updates that break my game, too?
Fortunately, GOG exists. Which proves that Steam doesn't need to force the updates on us, but chooses to.
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It varies.
There are definitely cases where the latest update outright breaks the game and that is bad QC.
But what people generally refer to here are games with a modding scene. A vocal part of the userbase rely heavily on mods and/or custom DLLs. So when the game updates, all of those break until the modders and tool writers are able to catch up.
There are a lot of implications to this for games with (meaningful) online components. But for predominantly SP games? It is a fun time when you sit down to play a game in the evening and see it was updated and know you can't go back to that save/game for at least a few days. And there very much SHOULD be a way to opt out or freeze a version for those.
Devs are able to include the ability to run past versions of the game. If they push an update that breaks mods without doing that, I feel like thats their own fault.
Also, even if the dev doesnt do this, there are ways to download previous versions of the game using the steam console.
Steam forces game updates down your throat. It makes sense for competitive online games, but take fallout 4 for example. Totally offline single player. A million mods made for specific game versions, and all the guides for modding stress a half dozen little things you can do to your steam install to stop the updates but the shit happens anyway. Crap like modifying steam INI files and making them read only. Shit users shouldn't need to do.
It's not on Bethesda to just what...not update their game? It's on steam to say hold up, maybe we shouldnt be pushing this update - it might break everything. Yes/no dialog prompts aren't rocket science.
A few weeks ago Bethesda pushed a new update on a 10+ year old game, and it destroyed countless modded save files for everyone. This is on steam and their ham fisted updates.
Edit: don't take my word for it, find some reviews here with 1000+ hours in the game:
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910.3 hrs on record - "Bethesda? Please stop releasing updates to 10y+ old games. Just breaking mods and frustrating players at this point."
1,565.3 hrs on record - 'Well, after 1.6K hours spent playing, all the towns built, monsters killed and latex suits craftet for my beautifull girls companions, latest update destroyed all the 200 mods again...'
1,617.5 hrs on record - "The new update was hot rubbish. Leave well enough alone Bethesda, updating a ten-year old game and breaking a thriving modding community..."
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It is a fools errand and I do not understand why the smart people at Valve do not understand this. First…it relies on the developer to add the tag. Second the developer may not even know an asset they bought used AI in its creation. Most AI researchers agree that it will become near impossible to determine if an asset was generated with AI, and even using AI to detect will just mean when it does detect, it now knows how to create one that cannot be detected and we end up in a cat and mouse race that humans have no ability to play in.
We already have tools to rank titles and if it is AI slop, a low effort copycat game, the ratings will reflect this regardless of the tech that may or may not have been used.
I would hazard to guess that are countless titles that used some AI in its development, perhaps unbeknownst to the developer. Plus, what if a developer made everything from scratch themselves but used AI on one texture to upscale it…does this get an AI label even though it amounts to something like 0.00001% do the title? AI labels are a fools errand and we all need to just rely on the rating system and judge titles on their merits not the tools that made them as like I said, it will become into know AI was used.
A game could be good and yet contain media created with AI generation - high rating + AI tag covers that case.
Most AI use will be slop, but as you say some could be an accident. How the dev responds to users finding out will inform users how to rate the dev team themselves.
We already have tools to rank titles and if it is AI slop, a low effort copycat game, the ratings will reflect this regardless of the tech that may or may not have been used.
It is not enough for me. I want to know if AI was involved so that I can avoid it even if it is good.
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So AI controlled photoshop is ok?
I think the standard is set on wrong metric. Slop is slop and it doesnt matter how ot was brewed be it asset steal or lazy ai
LLM and GenAI, you dingus.
This stinks of whataboutism, giving examples that incredibly obviously won't be included
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Disclosure is good, but it would be useful to be granular and clear.
Games could use ai for interactive dialogue or content generation and it would be really cool.
Games could run models like olmo 3 which are completely open source, and that wouldn’t be bad in my opinion.
Ai textures probably make sense too depending on context.
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Phones have been doing a lot of post-processing for a long time.
Tbh, most phone cameras would look crap without it. It's something of a miracle what they can achieve with a tiny sensor and a tiny fixed lens.
I think different people have different aversions to why they don't like or want to use AI.
In the case of "automatic" "filters" on pictures taken on phones, this is or was called computational photography. Over time more capabilities were added to these systems until we now have the moon situation and the latest NN processing.
If someone only cares about environmental impact, then that doesn't really apply in this case if the processing happens on device, since by definition a phone is low power and thus doesn't consume water for cooling or much power for compute.
However, some people care about copying, for numerous and possibly conflicting reasons. Generating assets might violate their sense that IP was stolen, since it's a pretty well known fact that that these models were created in large part with dubiously licensed or entirely unlicensed works. I think a reasonable argument can be made that the algorithms that make LLMs work parallels compression. But whatever the case, the legality doesn't matter for most people's feelings.
Others don't like that assets are generated by compute at all. Maybe for economic or political reasons. Some might feel that a social contract has been violated. For example, it used to be the case that on large social media, you had some kind of "buy in" from society. The content might have been low quality or useless drivel, but there was a relativly high cost to producing lots of content, and the owners of the site didn't have direct or complete control of the platform.
Now a single person or company can create a social media site, complete with generated content and generated users, and sucker clueless users into thinking it's real. It was a problem before, various people getting sucked into an echo chamber of their peers, now it is likely to happen that there will be another set of users get sucked into an entirely generated echo chamber.
We can see this happening now. Companies like openai are creating social media sites ("apps" as they call them now) filled only with slop. There are even companies that make apps for romance and dating virtual or fake partners.
Generated content is also undesirable for some users because maybe they want to see the output of a person. There is already plenty of factory bullshit on the various app stores, why do they need or want the output of a machine when there is already existing predatory content out there they could have now.
Some people are starting to wake up to the fact that they have only a single life. Chasing money doesn't do it for most. Some find religion, others want to achieve and see others achieve. Generating content isn't an achievement of the person initiating the generation. They didn't suffer to make it. A person slaves away in art school for years only to take a shit job they looked up to for years, then doing the best work they can under crazy pressure is an achievement.
Agree 100%. It is just Disclosure, if you use AI for voice lines on a robot character but the game is good then disclosing that "this game used ai during creation" isnt a bad thing, you used a tool for a tool to help make your game. I dont think disclosure hurts you.
If your game is a simple asset swap of a unity demo and you used 10 prompts to generate all the story, dialogue and sky boxes then disclousing you used ai is simple a branding iron on a pile of shit. The branding iron aint changing the smell of your pile.
There is a lot of inbetween these 2 extreams, but the consumer havung more information in the buying process is not a bad thing.
I think what's important in this drama is that, despite their evil monopoly shit they're guilty of, Valve really does do the right thing sometimes to win consumers. Gamers want AI disclosures, even if devs don't.
That's why it's not surprising to see that statement from Sweeny, and why it's not surprising that people still hate the Epic Games Store.
Both. I'm strongly of the opinion that monopolies should not exist, and if they do it's the result of illegal and/or unethical activity, and should be fixed immediately. They break the free market and end up hurting everyone in the long run.
In addition to what @Asterisk@lemmy.world said, they also include a forced arbitration clause in their terms of service to prevent class action lawsuits from customers.
Tbh, they're very low on my personal list of monopolies to hate, so I don't really have that many arguments ready to go. I'm sure others have made a good case against Steam somewhere on the internet already.
We need the disclosures now to slow the pace of the bullshit taking over, but it will not be stopped.
I mean, fuck, at this point if they're using photoshop to extend a background, it's AI. It'll just end up becoming the California this contains items known to cause cancer logo all over again. It's still the right thing to call it out, but everything, in short order, will require the label.
So why the fuck are they fighting to not do it? I'll be a couple of billable hours and everyone and their brother will either disclose that they're doing it or lie about it and we can move on with life.
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Leak confirms OpenAI is preparing ads on ChatGPT for public roll out
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The big problem is that we have long stepped over that line.
Now even when you pay you are still shown ads (maybe, but not surely, not-targeted) and your data is still scrapped and analyzed to hell and back.
They actually put ads in paid products also now. 😀
Never enough ads, never enough revenue.
Do you think it’s possible to run the cycle too quickly? Like, shouldn’t you make sure your product has been ~~widely~~ maximally adopted first before you make it shittier?
May be that’s just hopium
Speedrunning exists already, so you could just apply that philosophy to tech startups.
At first, you’re good to your users. Once you have 10, you can start milking them with spyware and ads. This way, you’ll sacrifice the users in favor of the ad companies. Before the first quarter is over, you’re already milking the ad companies too. Once they get fed up with the ramped up prices, you can file for bankruptcy in record time!
Possible. But I think they are required by law to label ads somehow.
I’m not surprised if current US administration changes that law in favor of big corps.
That law is a joke now anyway. Easily circumventable unfortunately.
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The problem with AI is largely the data center shit. Nobody has a problem with Josh pissing around with a learning algorithm to detect when to run his air conditioner optimally, what people are pissed about is building fuck off worthless data centers for bullshit thats almost certainly not worth the corpo hype.
Obviously they aren't completely worthless, there is worth in them being liquidated and sold off.
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I think we’ve hit the end times for AI. The biggest player in the space OpenAI couldn’t be profitable by selling its services to business, nor directly to consumers. Subscription moneys nor licensing its models is working too. So the last avenue they have is this, shilling to marketers hoping for scrap.
On top of Nvidia having to stop selling RAM I think the breaks are about to hit AI and hard once the current supply runs out. I wonder how long that could take?
I suppose identifying AI is going to be a lot easier when users copy and paste answers that contain some sort of ad roll.
It’s gonna be really hard to argue your Grapes of Wrath essay wasn’t AI generated when you submit without proofreading and don’t catch the sponsored ad for Walmart+ grocery delivery.
I dont know about that. I think the fear right now is that these companies wont get enough revenue to justify their enormous evaluations. By putting ads in the product, they increase revenue but also increase Enshittification.
I wont be using chat gpt if it becomes annoying. But many will, everyone today who is used to constant ads will.
So im thinking this will work against the bubble popping. But I could be wrong.
Yes exactly. What they really want to offer is an AI employee replacement service. If they could replace one of your employees who makes $40k/year then they could easily charge $30k/year for the service and you (the business owner and AI customer) could add $10k to your profits.
The fact is that they can’t do that. They can’t even make money charging thousands of dollars a year for basic LLM service that people use to write emails and the like.
But many will, everyone today who is used to constant ads will.
wouldn't it stand to reason, many current users are engaged because chatGPT produces faster shitty search results without ads? compared to the alternative shitty slower search results with ads?
I use Perplexity for most of my searches. Not because of ads (I have robust adblocking to the point that I’m genuinely gobsmacked whenever I’m in a situation where I can’t browse any other way, like on someone else’s machine), but because of third-party SEO and first-party paid-for search results. Perplexity is far from flawless, but unlike google, Bing, etc. and the engines which rely on them (DuckDuckGo is Bing, for example), it’s actually designed to return you the answer to your question.
We can discuss the exact meaning of “ads” and whether the paid-for search results count. I’d say they’re similar but with subtle differences. And it’s not what’s being suggested for ChatGPT here, although for over a year now I’ve been suggesting that the AI-equivalent of SEO & paid-for search results is where we’re headed.
Anyone else concerned that the AI bubble is actually an everything bubble, and more or less represents the devaluation of the US dollar? We have a lot of debt, we can’t necessarily keep raising interest rates to slow down spending (as that would make the debt’s impact far greater), and so they’re printing money onto the deficit. Meanwhile, you have the White House eye balling cryptocurrency, letting banks hold it alongside gold, … what does all of this mean?
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Everything means something because meaning is created, not discovered. They can be greedy, idiots, and still know how to come out on top of a failing empire.
I really think there’s a lot more to this than meets the eye. There being winners implies there being losers also. If the ultra wealthy can come out on top, it leaves the rest of the US with a debased currency on bottom.
Is gold up 2x since 2 years ago, or is the US Dollar loosing its purchase power at a rate not seen since 1970s (Nixon took USD off gold) and 2008-11 (global housing crisis)?
Suddenly, Elons stock-performance based bonus benchmarked at $1T makes some sense…
You’re confusing what I mean. Of course you can make fictitious meaning out of anything. But all meaning is created. All of it. No meaning is discovered.
To say there is no meaning, it represents the depth of ingenuity rather than the depth of reality. Everything has meaning. For example, it might mean something about the past that lead to these circumstances, the potential futures, potential present intentions or lack thereof…
Whether or not you think the meaning fictitious is another topic altogether. If you’re saying there is no meaning, and so therefore any meaning must be fictitious, then you’re just prematurely shutting the door on every perspective which disagrees with yours.
In my fantasy world? Alright friend, you can take whatever high level position you want and forever repeat your incorrect points. As a matter of fact, however, there is no essence to meaning in the universe. Meaning is derived from the observer. So your point about the validity of meaning is fruitless: there is no such thing as a meaningless piece of context. Context is meaning. Unless you are so narrow minded in your fantasy land as to believe in such limitations, the meaning is there somewhere. I would encourage the interested reader, not those of whom are only interested in preserving their shallow ideological pool, to consider for a moment that the world is far more complex than is immediately obvious.
As for you, on the other hand, I fail to understand why you’ve tethered my curiosity to the dispute of whether meaning is pervasive to all things—or not. Meaning is what you make of it, and you’ve clearly made nothing of it, and I clearly can not help you see beyond such boundaries, so I will (hopefully) end this discussion now. I am not interested in debating my philosophies. That’s just not what I came here for.
My goal was to discuss the meaning of various macroeconomic market activities, alongside the (very real) efforts China is taking to develop their own gold-backed liquid, transferable, monetary-grade asset that can serve like a global banking/settlement medium. As well as, Russias claim that, the US is moving toward a similar move which would deface US currency.
This debate is about what future these completely valid signs point toward. It’s not about the validity of signage. It’s not about whether meaning is inherent or not. Nor is about fantasy land ideology. It’s about economics. If you think the signs mean something other than what they suggest, be my guest and introduce a novel idea. Otherwise, like I said before, I don’t care whether you think the signs may or may not mean “nothing.”
“Nothing” doesn’t even make sense in this context. It’s akin a statement like “global warming means nothing.” Duh, you make the meaning. If all you can think of is “nothing,” it says more about you than the actual affairs of the world.
You’re welcome to hold whatever abstract position you like, but the claim that context I’ve raised is “meaningless” misses the point. Meaning isn’t inherent in the universe—it’s created by observers—so dismissing context as meaningless is simply incoherent. Context is meaning.
I’m not here to debate metaphysics. I’m here to discuss the economic implications of current events: (1) China’s push to build a gold-backed, highly liquid, transferable settlement asset, (2) Russia’s claim that the U.S. may pursue similar moves that could undercut the dollar, (3) gold doubling per USD in the last two years and the long historical context that introduces, and (4) the everything bubble we’re in right now. The question is what these signals imply for the future, not whether signals “mean nothing.”
If you believe they point to a different outcome, offer a substantive alternative. Otherwise, insisting that everything is meaningless adds nothing to the discussion; it only reveals the limitations of your perspective, which I’m uninterested in. That, limited, world view is the safe “fantasy land” here…
As people living outside the US know, these bubbles (like 2008) don't lead to a crisis of their sector, but of the US economy at large which in turn, very unfortunately, affects everything else. Wall Street is held up by the Nvidia/OpenAI/Oracle holy trinity, and once that crashes it's not only taking LLMs and GPUs with it
Capitalism, especially late stage, requires to keep "creating value" and more "territory" (money) to grow into. Printing dollars and using cryptocurrencies as collateral is just doing that.
Only works until you find yourself in the same debt spiral that royally fucked Rome, Spain, and plenty of others.
Printing money causes inflation, debasing the currency. You have to raise interest rates to slow down borrowing. But now, we can’t raise interest rates because the debt is too massive… raising would cause mass defaults. Not raising means the bubbles keep growing and the value of the currency collapsing.
You could run a tight budget, but that’ll never happen. The left will win on taxing the rich for social programs, but taxing the rich won’t be enough == more printing. The right will win on tax cuts for the rich, which == more printing. Anyone outside this paradigm won’t get public support.
You could purposefully debase the currency as well. Transfer wealth into other assets and then legislatively increase the value of those assets before finally tethering USD to those. Like with stablecoin or gold, maybe both.
You could do what Japan did and let inflation run its course. That’s also political suicide.
This is a great way to drive users to competitors.
FYI deepseek.com/en and chat.qwen.ai/ don't have ads.
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First it was ignorantly stupid, now it'll be purposefully misleading towards ads. Who could have seen that coming?
Where's the end of work life as we know it that we were promised?
Companies have already been SEOing LLMs for a few months now. There are companies who have a panel of participants who are willing to share their data, and this is then used to estimate what people might be searching on LLMs and now to optimise content so that it shows up on responses across LLMs.
Ads was the logical direction for LLMs and has always been the only pathway to any substantial revenue.
This is interesting, because “add ads” usually means margins are slim, and the product is in a race to the bottom.
If ChatGPT was the transcendent, priceless, premium service they are hyping it as… why would it need ads?
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I once wrote small post on reddit about running FSR4 on rdna3 (via driver emulation hack that devs on linux added, before INT8 version). That poor post was reused by multiple sites with bizarre titles, like "guy on reddit hacked FSR4!" and other similar crap. I'm not sure if it's even humans writing/doing that, probably some server with llm continuously scrapes google for new posts, rewrite them and post on own sites for engagement.
The future that awaits us sure looks fun
I remember there being a spate of robberies targeting memory chips in the 90s when prices were high then.
History repeating itself again I guess.
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Yes and no. It’s more that there is a lag time between demand and supply. So the scarcity is “manufactured” but simply because the manufacturer rolled the dice on the demand and lost.
Keep in mind, many manufacturers aren’t selling for more to stores when this happens, they typically have a contract setting a price.
Now, can the manufacturer back out of this contract and demand a higher price? It really depends on the contract wording. You can’t really be forced to sell things unless a specific number of items was part of the contract.
When I was doing work experience in around 1995, I did mine at a local computer firm. A few days in, the doorbell rang. I looked over at the security camera. It was four lads in balaclavas.
I thought we were going to get robbed. The boss opened the door, put his hand over the camera, and returned a few seconds later with his hands full of SIMMs. Which he dropped on the table in front of me.
"Test these will you" he said, and that was it. That's what memory theft was like. A bunch of lads breaking into offices, nicking the RAM from the PCs, and selling it local computer shops who would sell it right back to the offices they stole it from.
Not one guy having an expensive package stolen at random.
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I’m Alex “Gifter” and both as blogger and HIV positive man I feel angry after 2025 is the first World AIDS Day where USA government won’t participate.
Together with my co-worker @elettrona we decided to temporarily suspend our ironic fiction and concentrate on real events from 2025 World AIDS Day after American government has canceled all federal moments of commemoration.
USA and UK cut global funds for HIV and AIDS so I don’t feel in the mood to have fun when there’s a high probability to go back to painful years when AIDS meant death. I’ll change my feelings for sure but now it’s simply not the moment and I hope that if life exists after death, the man claiming that God chose him as president to save USA, would go straight to hell.
At last let me say that if God really exists I think he was drunk on June 14th 1946, otherwise he would never have authorized such a creature to come to this world.
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No, your favourite influencer hasn't got a dozen dachshund dogs. It's just AI
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When scrolling through social media recently, you might have noticed posts which seem a bit… off.
Grainy CCTV footage of a dog saving a child from a bear attack, a video of wild bunnies on a trampoline or a picture of a Christmas market outside Buckingham Palace.
It's all AI generated and due to its low quality and its inauthenticity, it's being branded AI "slop".
Both social media users and content creators say they're worried that AI slop flooding feeds is leading to a less authentic online experience - and is drowning out real posts.
But a new trend, which sees people adding AI-generated animals to original photographs, has encouraged some content creators to embrace AI.
"I was like, that's really niche because it looks so real," influencer Zoe Ilana Hill says.
The 26-year-old jumped on the trend after being impressed by the imaginative way another content creator had used AI, by editing some of her original photos and adding AI dogs.
"I don't want to see it [AI] as a threat to my career, I want to see it as something I can work alongside with," the full-time influencer says.
Zoe, who has 82,000 followers, says she feels like platforms such as Facebook, Instagram and TikTok are trying to "push" and "force AI" on users, and has seen her fair share of slop her own feed.
But she saw potential in the AI animal trend, adding that she suspected the post would perform well as she thought social media users would "be like, oh my God, she's holding a deer".
"The deer is so seasonal and that is so rare to be actually able to go and physically see a deer in person," she says.
Zoe says her post was a success - with more than 20,000 likes and comments including: "No stop this is the cutest thing ever" and "this trend is adorable!!!!"
Whenever Zoe posts a photo made with AI, she likes to make it clear it's a generated image, "there is actually a tag [on Instagram] where you can say this photo was created by AI".
"I don't think it's fair for people to think that something's real when it's not."
When influencers don't disclose the use of AI - it can cause confusion.
That was the case with one German influencer, with 900,000 followers, posted a picture with dozens of AI dalmatians captioned: "just me, living my dream".
One user commented asking: "Is it AI? I saw a post like this three times today."
Another replied concerned for the generated animals' welfare, adding "there are plenty of dogs sitting in animal shelters who would like to have a nice home".
Hot girls have started using AI," wrote one X user discussing the trend by sharing animal photos from various influencers in a post viewed almost 27 million times.
But not everyone sees using AI this way as harmless fun.
Another X user responded: "They are not hot because they use AI for mindless slop that could easily be done by hand with Photoshop."
Clara Sandell, a marketing professional and digital creator from Finland took part in the trend after she saw it "everywhere" and found the posts "so cute".
"I kind of put my own twist [on the trend], I used my spirit animals and my favourite animals," the 38-year-old adds.
Clara posted a carousel photo on Instagram with tigers, an elk, a horse, and cats and dogs.
Reaction from the photos were positive, with many labelling the post as "chic" and "beautiful".
When asked if she would participate in future AI trends she replied "depending on how cute the trend is," and if it was transparent so that you can "see it's AI" being used.
For content creators looking to create high-quality images, social media consultant Matt Navarra thinks that AI makes it easier to produce "fantastical high gloss" and "aesthetic" content for influencers, "whether it's wild animals generated, through to something that's much more believable".
Whilst some of the AI content we see online is unrealistic and evidentially not real, Mr Navarra says "most people who are serious about being a creator or an influencer want to maintain a reputation".
He believes many creators are "doubling down on the realness" to give themselves a place on the feed amongst "a sea of AI-generated content which is flooding or AI slop as it's been termed".
The consultant says he predicts 2026 will be the year of AI dominated content on social media, adding: "If you thought that AI animal content was quirky, I think buckle up".
But not everyone will be pleased to hear this.
Maddi Mathers, a tattoo artist from Melbourne commented "love you but not the AI" under the same German influencers post who created the AI dalmatians.
Commenting isn't something that Maddi, who describes herself as a "very silent social media user" would normally do.
But when the tattoo artist first saw the photo, she believed it was real before but scrolling through the posts revealed the cute dalmatians were "obviously very fake".
"Honestly, it's such a simple thing but it makes you feel dumb when you get fooled by AI," the 25- year-old explains.
Maddi says such AI posts create an element of mistrust because "there's such an importance of being true to yourself and showing your true personality" when being an influencer.
She believes that when creators put out content that isn't real it can be "damaging for their career" as their audience "won't know what to believe anymore".
AI slop isn't necessarily a bad thing - "but the speed and volume of what we're creating" is what concerns creative health scientist Katina Bajaj.
"When we're creating and consuming AI-generated content at such a rapid pace, we aren't giving our brains enough time to digest," Mrs Bajaj says.
She explains that from her perspective, the solution to AI slop isn't to ban it or "look down upon AI tools," but to "prioritise and value our creative health more than generating endless content".
There is currently no requirement "to label images that have been created or altered with AI" on Instagram, according to Meta's policy.
However, "images will still receive a label if Meta's systems detect that they were AI-generated".
TikTok has recently launched a new tool which allows users to shape their feed - this includes being able to see more or less AI generated content.
The 'Manage Topics' feature is intended to help people tailor their 'for you page' to ensure users have a range of content in their feed, rather than removing or replacing content entirely.
There is a lot of AI software that can be used to make this trend, but not all can create the flawless content social media is portraying.
Emily Manns, a fashion content creator from the US, didn't quite get what she bargained for when she bought multiple AI apps to join in with the trend and received "one single rodent" in what was meant to be an aesthetic photo.
"I don't even know what [the animal] was," said the 34-year-old.
"It [the photo] took like 2 minutes to load, and when it loaded, I was peeing my pants of laughter."
The app also added an extra finger onto the influencers hand, and distorted her face.
Emily says she posted the photo to her Instagram but "deleted it instantly" because the content wasn't engaging very well.
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No, your favourite influencer hasn't got a dozen Dachshund dogs. It's just AI
There’s a new social media trend taking over - influencers are using AI to add animals to their photos.Kerena Cobbina (BBC News)
MAGA's Epstein gaslighting is unsustainable
Trump, the White House, and congressional Republicans have spent nearly the entire first year of the president’s second term pushing an ever-expanding number of contradictory narratives about not just what’s in the files, but why Democrats and even staunch conservatives like Rep. Thomas Massie have been demanding their release.There’s a very simple reason for this: Trump and Republicans have no idea how to cover for a president who is clearly all over the files.
MAGA's Epstein gaslighting is unsustainable
To believe anything they say requires a complete suspension of common sense.Justin Glawe (Public Notice)
World Socialist Web Site to launch Socialism AI
World Socialist Web Site to launch Socialism AI
This revolutionary tool will harness artificial intelligence for the development of socialist consciousness in the international working class.World Socialist Web Site
Aluminium OS will be Google’s take on Android for PC
"A job listing reveals the first details of Google’s fusion of Android and ChromeOS. "
"We know a little more about Google’s long-gestating plans to combine the best parts of Android and ChromeOS into a single OS thanks to a job listing for a product manager to work on 'Aluminium OS.' The job ad describes it as 'a new operating system built with Artificial Intelligence (AI) at the core.'"
Aluminium OS will be Google’s take on Android for PC
The first details of Aluminium OS, Google’s fusion of Android and ChromeOS for PCs and tablets, have been revealed in a job listing.Dominic Preston (The Verge)
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Gotta stick AI in there for the stock price huh?
I wouldn’t mind if you could plug application intents into an MCP converter and then let models work with that.
I don’t really trust the idea of ai at the core.
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The Google Cemetery - Dead Google products
A list of dead google products and services and why they died.gcemetery_e2lkg8 (Google Cemetery)
This one is more updated.
Killed by Google
Killed by Google is the open source list of dead Google products, services, and devices. It serves as a tribute and memorial of beloved services and products killed by Google.Killed by Google
It is my understanding that this is a byproduct of Google's company culture. Google hires software engineers, they're incentivized to invent something of their own. They do so. They get promoted. There isn't room in their company structure for anything to be maintained, maintaining someone else's project isn't a path to promotion. So Play Wallet is now Android Pay is now Google Pay is being sunset.
Oh, and Google is an American corporation, so anything that doesn't promise infinite exponential growth in revenue or unprecedented opportunities for cruelty is shot in the head as worthless.
damn, I was fine turning it down before finding out it had AI at the core.
I would've considered it if google were still anti-evil, after all, Microsoft has fucked up hard enough to push users away from free operating systems. but nope, Linux it will be. somehow to be simpler than dealing with ms or google bullshit
damn, I was fine turning it down before finding out it had AI at the core.
"AI at its core" is a BS marketing phrase. Obviously there is no AI in the actual operating system core.
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Bolkestein, balneari in protesta per le concessioni
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Al centro della protesta c’è la lettura delle norme europee sulle concessioni. «Le concessioni sul demanio marittimo precedenti al 28 dicembre 2009 e successivamente prorogate non devono rientrare nel campo della Bolkestein, e a stabilirlo è la Corte di giustizia europea – sottolinea Elvo Alpigiani, coordinatore provinciale Fiba Confesercenti –. La Corte precisa che il rinnovo di una concessione di occupazione del demanio pubblico marittimo si traduce nella successione di due titoli di occupazione e non nella proroga del primo. La proroga è la continuazione di un rapporto già esistente, non un nuovo titolo».
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Martedì 2 dicembre presidio in Prefettura promosso da Fiba Confesercenti Genova e Assobalneari Tigullio: «Tutela del lavoro e stop a un’applicazione distorta della direttiva sulle concessioni demaniali»GenovaQuotidiana (genovaquotidiana.com)
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The cost of living and housing in China is forcing young people to move out of megacities
The cost of living and housing in China is forcing young people to move out of megacities
Tired of the hyper-competitiveness of metropolises like Beijing and Shanghai, a new generation is beginning to move to cities like Chengdu and ChangshaInma Bonet (Ediciones EL PAÍS S.L.)
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Steven Wilson - Hand. Cannot. Erase. (2015)
Per certi artisti è già abbastanza difficile trovare la propria voce, una forma espressiva che permetta di trasferire liberamente il proprio sentire all'altro. Non che la vena creativa di Steven Wilson fosse sacrificata all'interno dei Porcupine Tree, ma quella voce, che solo in certi sparuti episodi in studio emergeva con assoluta limpidezza, non poteva più rimanere confinata... Leggi e ascolta...
Steven Wilson - Hand. Cannot. Erase. (2015)
Per certi artisti è già abbastanza difficile trovare la propria voce, una forma espressiva che permetta di trasferire liberamente il proprio sentire all'altro. Non che la vena creativa di Steven Wilson fosse sacrificata all'interno dei Porcupine Tree, ma quella voce, che solo in certi sparuti episodi in studio emergeva con assoluta limpidezza, non poteva più rimanere confinata. Tra gli evocativi scenari post-seventies (ma ultimamente neanche troppo) dello storico progetto si celava un anelito molto più profondo: il desiderio di liberare quella “nostalgia factory” dagli schemi che il lavoro in gruppo inevitabilmente generava... artesuono.blogspot.com/2015/03…
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di Matteo Meda e Michele Palozzo Per certi artisti è già abbastanza difficile trovare la propria voce, una forma espressiva che permett...Silvano Bottaro (Blogger)
Matrix Retiring the Slack Bridge by January
Bridges are one of the reasons Matrix is called Matrix: let’s matrix all the networks together! They are key to onboard new users into the network. However, maintaining and operating bridges, in particular to closed, proprietary platforms, is expensive: they need to be kept up to date with any change made by the platform on a regular basis and they’re fiddly to keep up and running.The Matrix.org Foundation has been hosting a free of charge Slack bridge for users of the matrix.org server for several years. The code of the bridge belongs to the Foundation, hosted under its GitHub workspace, but the bulk of the maintenance was done by Element. Maintaining and operating bridges to closed, proprietary platforms such as Slack comes at a high cost, both financially and in terms of reliability as they are subject to change without notice. The bridge has been unmaintained for some time now, and this has led to degraded functionality and inconsistent performance for users. While we understand that some people still find it useful in certain cases, it is not right to continue providing a service that we know does not meet the standards expected of matrix.org.
This is why, without enough customers paying for it and despite the efforts of the community trying to help, Element will not continue to maintain this bridge. As a result, the Foundation will no longer provide this service to matrix.org users. We want to thank Element for all these years of graciously maintaining a bridge for us.
Retiring the Slack Bridge on matrix.org
Matrix, the open protocol for secure decentralised communicationsAmandine Le Pape (matrix.org)
New to Linux which OS to use?
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What is there to learn about Linux filesystems? How is it different from a Windows filesystem, from the perspective of an average user?
Lesson one: files
Lesson two: folders
Here's your diploma.
Linux filesystems exam time:
section A basics
- what does CoW stand for?
- evaluate through pros and cons which you personally would pick: Btrfs, ZFS, F2FS, bcachefs, OverlayFS, aufs, Nilfs2, JFFS2, UBIFS
section B btefs
- what exactly happens when running this command, including how qgroups, compression, and recursion interact?
btrfs balance start -dusage=5 -musage=20 -c zstd \
--bg /srv/vms && \
btrfs qgroup limit 50G /srv/vms/guests/win10- explain the effect of the following command on device allocation, RAID reshaping, and metadsta distribution:
btrfs device add -f /dev/nvme2n1 /home && \
btrfs balance start -mconvert=raid1 -dconvert=raid1 -sconvert=dup /home- describe what this snapshotting pipeline does, including send stream structure, parent selection, and how receive-side overwrites are handled:
btrfs subvolume snapshot -r /opt/app /opt/.snaps/auto-$(date +%s) && \
btrfs send -c -p /opt/.snaps/last-full \
/opt/.snaps/auto-$(date +%s) \
| ssh backup 'btrfs receive -f /backup/opt/incoming'- what actions occur on the filesystem when this defrag call is executed, especially regarding extent sharing and how compression interacts?
btrfs filesystem defrag -r -v -czstd:15 \
/var/lib/docker/overlay2- analyze subvolume management sequence, including how default-subvolume selection influences mount behavior:
btrfs subvolume delete /mnt/root/@old && \
btrfs subvolume snapshot -r /mnt/root/@clean /mnt/root/@ && \
btrfs subvolume set-default 256 /mnt/rootsection C zfs
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That's for sysadmins.
These days I don't even care what fs I use, I just let the distro choose its default, I simply make sure encryption is enabled.
You should install Bazzite, save your soul.
Seems like Mint is the consensus and I don't disagree. Just some things to consider when choosing:
- Desktop Environment/Window Manager (DE/WM) this is the software responsible for displaying your desktop and managing the opening and closing of graphical windows. Window managers are very bare-bones and might offer an experience significantly different than Windows. (See tiling WMs). Desktop environments do the same and more, and are often bundled with launchers and useful default programs like terminals and editors.
- Package manager. Package managers are responsible for managing your installed software. There are a variety of options, and distros typically will choose one as their default. Pacman for Arch, Aptitude for Debian, RPM for RedHat, and others. These are mostly interchangeable for the end user, but each has slightly different commands and frontends. So just be aware there will be a bit of an extra learning curve moving from a distro that uses one to a distro that uses another.
- Release cycle. Different distros offer different styles of releasing updates. Ubuntu and Debian periodically release updates in a cycle with major and minor releases. Some releases are marked for long term support and others marked as short term. Upgrading releases has been hit or miss for me, so I prefer rolling release distros. These distros don't distinguish major releases and simply upgrade in place. Each has it's own advantages, just be mindful of how often you will have to upgrade.
Package manager. Package managers are responsible for managing your installed software. There are a variety of options, and distros typically will choose one as their default. Pacman for Arch, Aptitude for Debian, RPM for RedHat, and others. These are mostly interchangeable for the end user, but each has slightly different commands and frontends. So just be aware there will be a bit of an extra learning curve moving from a distro that uses one to a distro that uses another.
RedHat uses dnf, RPM is the package format.
Apt sucks, pacman is ok, dnf is the best, history and rollback are great.
Don't be afraid to ask in chatrooms if your distro has any, the myth of the rude Linux community is just that, a myth.
US teen Mohammed Ibrahim released from Israeli prison after nine months
Mohammed’s release on Thursday came after a months-long pressure campaign from United States lawmakers and civil rights groups.
The teenager from Florida was 15 years old in February when he was arrested and taken from his family home in the town of al-Mazraa ash-Sharqiya, near Ramallah. He turned 16 while being held in Israeli jail, where he drastically lost weight and contracted a skin infection.
Last month, 27 US lawmakers joined a letter urging the Trump administration to push Israel to free him. Individual legislators, most prominently Democratic Senator Chris Van Hollen, have also been raising awareness for the case and demanding Mohammed’s release.
US teen Mohammed Ibrahim released from Israeli prison after nine months
Advocates say the 16-year-old’s health had been in decline since his arrest in February for allegedly throwing rocks.Al Jazeera Staff (Al Jazeera)
”Donna, Io”: i racconti sulla violenza di genere e la lotta delle donne
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- “Donna, Io”: il mosaico dell’esperienza femminile sotto il patriarcato
- Un coro di racconti per l’universalità della violenza di genere
- Quando il dominio maschile incontra la libertà femminile
- Anatomia della violenza e forme invisibili fino al femminicidio
- Violenza psicologica e controllo coercitivo
- La trappola della violenza economica
- Femminicidio e la crisi del possesso e la negazione della soggettività
- La crisi del possesso e la negazione della soggettività
- Il contro-racconto tra rinascita sorellanza e rivoluzione culturale
- Il volo verso Barcellona, la rinascita e il percorso interiore
- Educazione all’affettività e la proposta di cambiamento culturale
- La sfida della vittimizzazione secondaria
Title:
Donna, io
Author:
AA.VV.
Genre:
antologia di racconti
Publisher:
Ciclope Lettore
Release Date:
aprile 2024
Pages:
184
Source:
ciclopelettore.com/donna-io/
“Donna, Io” è un’antologia di racconti sulla violenza di genere che analizza il dominio maschile e la crisi del possesso. Un manifesto per l’autodeterminazione delle donne e un appello per l’educazione all’affettività come via di rinascita e prevenzione.
“Donna, Io”: il mosaico dell’esperienza femminile sotto il patriarcato
Un coro di racconti per l’universalità della violenza di genere
“Donna, Io” non è un saggio, né un romanzo singolo, ma una potente antologia che convoca un coro di voci per affrontare il tema della violenza di genere. Questa struttura a mosaico è la sua prima forza: la varietà di autori e stili narrativi non disperde il messaggio, ma ne rafforza l’universalità e la pervasività. Attraverso racconti brevi e intensi, l’opera scompone il fenomeno in tante schegge di vita, rendendolo palpabile e intimo.
La prefazione stessa, delineando la donna come “Madre, amica, sorella, figlia a volte moglie o compagna e tanto altro,” anticipa che le storie che leggeremo non appartengono a un unico profilo di vittima, ma attraversano ogni ruolo e contesto sociale. I racconti ci mostrano la violenza domestica in contesti apparentemente “normali”, l’abuso vissuto dalla professionista come dalla casalinga, dalla giovane alla donna adulta. Questa polifonia è essenziale per superare gli stereotipi di genere che vorrebbero confinare la violenza in specifiche fasce sociali, dimostrando invece che essa è la trama comune di troppe esistenze femminili. L’antologia si pone così come uno specchio che riflette l’intera società italiana, rendendo il libro uno strumento fondamentale per il dibattito femminista e la prevenzione.
Quando il dominio maschile incontra la libertà femminile
Se l’antologia stabilisce che la violenza di genere è la trama comune, il sottotesto unificante è lo scontro tra il dominio maschile e l’affermazione della libertà femminile. I racconti di “Donna, Io” rivelano che la violenza non nasce dal nulla, ma è spesso l’ultima, disperata risposta a una donna che sta esercitando la sua autodeterminazione, minacciando così il sistema patriarcale su cui si fonda la crisi del possesso.
Ogni storia diventa, in questo senso, la cronaca di un atto di resistenza. I personaggi femminili sono puniti non per ciò che fanno di male, ma per ciò che fanno per sé: cercare indipendenza, prendere decisioni, o semplicemente voler “essere vita, essere libertà”. La prefazione, citando il movimento di lotta nato in Iran nel 2022 a seguito della morte di Mahsa Amini, sposta subito il focus dal trauma individuale alla dimensione politica della resistenza, suggerendo che il libro intero sia un manifesto di libertà. I racconti illustrano vividamente come l’atto violento sia l’espressione massima di chi, non potendo più controllare la donna, tenta di annullarla, confermando che la violenza è una reazione alla perdita percepita di potere e non una questione di amore malato.
Anatomia della violenza e forme invisibili fino al femminicidio
Violenza psicologica e controllo coercitivo
La raccolta di racconti “Donna, Io” offre uno sguardo crudo sulla progressione dell’abuso, dimostrando che il danno fisico è spesso l’epilogo di una distruzione silenziosa. Molte storie si focalizzano sull’escalation lenta e i maltrattamenti non fisici, che fungono da prologo. L’obiettivo comune dei carnefici descritti è minare l’autostima e l’identità della donna attraverso la violenza psicologica. I lettori riconosceranno le dinamiche di controllo coercitivo: l’isolamento dagli amici e dalla famiglia, le accuse costanti e, in alcuni casi, il gaslighting – quell’arma sottile che porta la vittima a dubitare della propria sanità mentale. Evidenziare questi racconti è cruciale per il dibattito femminista, poiché insegna a riconoscere i segnali d’allarme prima che sfocino nella violenza fisica aperta.
La trappola della violenza economica
Un altro tema trattato con lucidità nella raccolta è la violenza economica, uno strumento subdolo di controllo coercitivo che rende la fuga una prospettiva terrificante. I racconti che si addentrano in questo aspetto sono fondamentali perché demoliscono il mito dell’indipendenza come unica via di salvezza. Le storie illustrano vividamente donne che vengono allontanate dal lavoro, private dell’accesso ai conti bancari o costrette a chiedere denaro per ogni spesa. La dipendenza finanziaria creata artificialmente funge da trappola, rendendo l’autonomia un sogno irrealizzabile. Sottolineare questi episodi nella recensione aiuta a sensibilizzare il pubblico sulla natura onnicomprensiva del dominio maschile, che si esercita tanto con un pugno quanto con la negazione di una carta di credito.
Femminicidio e la crisi del possesso e la negazione della soggettività
La parte più tragica dell’antologia è inevitabilmente quella che affronta il femminicidio, l’atto estremo che sancisce il fallimento di ogni relazione basata sul dominio maschile. In “Donna, Io”, i racconti che culminano in questa violenza fatale servono a smascherare la retorica dell'”amore criminale”. In realtà, mostrano l’omicidio come l’epilogo di una profonda crisi del possesso.
I testi evidenziano quella che è stata definita la “spocchiosa risposta dell’uomo narcisista”: l’incapacità di tollerare che una donna possa reclamare la sua autodeterminazione o persino assumere posizioni di potere e indipendenza. Quando il controllo coercitivo fallisce e la donna esprime la sua libertà femminile, il femminicida agisce per punire la disubbidienza e ripristinare simbolicamente il suo ordine. Queste storie non sono solo cronaca di morte, ma un’analisi della mentalità che percepisce la donna come una sua proprietà. Leggere questi finali drammatici nell’ottica della crisi del possesso è cruciale per il dibattito femminista, poiché sposta la responsabilità dalla “passione” alla violenza strutturale e intenzionale.
La crisi del possesso e la negazione della soggettività
La parte più tragica dell’antologia è inevitabilmente quella che affronta il femminicidio, l’atto estremo che sancisce il fallimento di ogni relazione basata sul dominio maschile. In “Donna, Io”, i racconti che culminano in questa violenza fatale servono a smascherare la retorica dell'”amore criminale”. In realtà, mostrano l’omicidio come l’epilogo di una profonda crisi del possesso.
I testi evidenziano quella che è stata definita la “spocchiosa risposta dell’uomo narcisista”: l’incapacità di tollerare che una donna possa reclamare la sua autodeterminazione o persino assumere posizioni di potere e indipendenza. Quando il controllo coercitivo fallisce e la donna esprime la sua libertà femminile, il femminicida agisce per punire la disubbidienza e ripristinare simbolicamente il suo ordine. Queste storie non sono solo cronaca di morte, ma un’analisi della mentalità che percepisce la donna come una sua proprietà. Leggere questi epiloghi nell’ottica della crisi del possesso è cruciale per il dibattito femminista, poiché sposta la responsabilità dalla “passione” alla violenza strutturale e intenzionale.
Il contro-racconto tra rinascita sorellanza e rivoluzione culturale
Il volo verso Barcellona, la rinascita e il percorso interiore
Nonostante la dolorosa analisi del dominio maschile, “Donna, Io” non è un libro che si arrende al trauma; al contrario, propone un potente contro-racconto di speranza e resilienza. La rinascita è il filo rosso che lega i racconti di uscita e liberazione, rappresentata in modo emblematico dall’episodio della donna in fuga che prende un volo per Barcellona. Questa scena, in cui Janette Elena, con i lividi ancora freschi, guarda le luci del continente svanire, cristallizza il momento di svolta: “Finalmente poteva rinascere, ricominciare”.
Il libro ci ricorda che l’autodeterminazione non è solo un concetto teorico, ma un percorso concreto, spesso iniziato con un atto di rottura radicale. La fuga descritta non è solo un viaggio materiale, ma l’inizio di un viaggio interiore necessario per superare le paure e le insicurezze lasciate dai maltrattamenti. Questi epiloghi positivi sono fondamentali per il dibattito femminista, poiché mostrano che le storie non sono solo dolore e denuncia, ma soprattutto vie d’uscita e l’affermazione finale della soggettività femminile sulla violenza subita.
Educazione all’affettività e la proposta di cambiamento culturale
L’elemento di maggiore prospettiva offerto da “Donna, Io” non risiede solo nella denuncia, ma nella sua proposta proattiva e lungimirante: la necessità di una vera e propria rivoluzione culturale che trovi le sue fondamenta nell’educazione all’affettività. Attraverso il doloroso campionario di racconti – che mostrano l’origine della violenza nel dominio maschile e nella crisi del possesso – il libro lancia un appello chiaro: è inutile intervenire solo a valle, con misure punitive.
I maltrattamenti e le tragedie narrate diventano strumenti didattici per illustrare perché e come si formano le dinamiche tossiche. La raccolta suggerisce che l’unico cambiamento definitivo può avvenire attraverso la formazione delle nuove generazioni. Insegnare l’affettività significa insegnare innanzitutto il consenso, il rispetto della libertà femminile e il riconoscimento dell’altro come soggettività e non come proprietà. Questo appello trasforma l’antologia da opera letteraria a manifesto programmatico per il dibattito femminista, focalizzato sulla prevenzione e sulla costruzione di un futuro in cui la violenza di genere non sia più la trama comune.
La sfida della vittimizzazione secondaria
La forza dei racconti di “Donna, Io” non si esaurisce nella descrizione della violenza privata, ma si estende alla critica di un sistema che troppo spesso fallisce nel tutelare le vittime. Sebbene la rinascita e l’autodeterminazione siano possibili, il libro non ignora il difficile rapporto delle donne con le istituzioni.
Molti epiloghi e passaggi intermedi narrano, implicitamente o esplicitamente, la frustrazione, lo scetticismo o la sfiducia incontrata dalle donne quando tentano di denunciare o di ottenere tutela legale. La vittima, dopo aver subito il maltrattamento e la violenza psicologica da parte del partner, si trova a dover affrontare il trauma di essere messa in discussione o non creduta dalle forze dell’ordine o dalla magistratura. La raccolta, dunque, serve a sollevare una domanda fondamentale per il dibattito femminista: come possiamo garantire una giustizia per le donne che sia autenticamente empatica e che sostenga, invece di minare, il difficile percorso verso la libertà? L’antologia, in questo senso, è un appello non solo alla rivoluzione culturale (tramite l’educazione all’affettività), ma anche alla riforma del sistema giudiziario.
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"Donna, Io": i racconti sulla violenza di genere e la lotta delle donne
Donna, Io: I racconti di violenza di genere. Analisi del dominio maschile e appello per l'educazione all'affettività e l'autodeterminazione.Francesco Scatigno (Magozine.it)
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