KDE Going all-in on a Wayland future
cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/39342270
Well folks, it’s the beginning of a new era: after nearly three decades of KDE desktop environments running on X11, the future KDE Plasma 6.8 release will be Wayland-exclusive! Support for X11 applications will be fully entrusted to Xwayland, and the Plasma X11 session will no longer be included.
Maduro: US Imperialists are After Latin America's Strategic Resources
November 18, 2025
I ask him how he interprets the current context of pressure, slander, and threats against Venezuela. As he drives carefully in the gentle Aragua twilight, he tells me:“They have gone to great lengths to craft a new narrative—that of narco-terrorism—but, at its core, it’s the same thing they’ve always done: create a pretext to kill a hope. Remember, for example, that in 1954, they accused Jacobo Árbenz, the democratically elected President of Guatemala, of being a “communist” because he had implemented a modest agrarian reform. They orchestrated a coup, a military intervention, and overthrew him. Several decades later, they apologized, acknowledging that Árbenz was not a communist and that they had made a mistake…”
“Ten years later, in 1964, in Brazil, they did the same thing to President João Goulart… And they apologized again a few decades later… And in 1965, they did the same thing again in the Dominican Republic with President Juan Bosch. They accused him of being a ‘communist,’ invaded the country with some 20,000 marines and OAS forces. And many years later, they again acknowledged that Juan Bosch was a true democrat and that the invasion was a mistake. And in 1973, the same script in Chile, against President Salvador Allende. And the same belated apologies.
Maduro: US Imperialists are After Latin America's Strategic Resources - Mexico Solidarity Media
The President of Venezuela gives a wide-ranging interview in which he reiterates his commitment to dialogue for peace, but emphasizes Venezuela is prepared should Washington decide to attack.Mexico Solidarity (Mexico Solidarity Media)
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Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and it's costing the economy
Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and it's costing the economy
Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever before, and while it may be consumer smart, it comes at a cost to work productivity and the U.S. economy.Kevin Williams (CNBC)
Could VPNs Be 'Banned'?
With the UK apparently floating ideas of a VPN ban it's got me worried about the future of anonymity online. Now people have already pointed out that a VPN ban doesn't make sense because of all the legitimate uses of one and wouldn't even be enforceable anyway, but that got me thinking.
What if governments ordered websites (such as social media sites) to block traffic originating from a VPN node? Lots of sites already do this (or restrict your activity if they detect a VPN) to mitigate spam etc. and technically that wouldn't interfere with "legitimate" (in the eyes of the gov) VPN usage like logging onto corporate networks remotely
It's already a pain with so many sites either blocking you from access or making you jump through a million captchas using VPNs now. I'm worried it's about to get a whole lot worse
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To go a little further, I used the example of heroin and machine guns in my other reply, but there are lots of countries where people licensed to use these (or technology that’s similar like oxycontin) are allowed or there exist analogs (like bump stocks or binary triggers) that avoid the law.
Heck, in the us any knucklehead can get on the good boy list for heroin or machine guns they just need to pass a bunch of checks and submit to a series of audits and inspections.
The point of banning vpn use would be to keep people from using the technology to skirt identity laws, not to prevent the use of the technology altogether, so it’s likely any ban would take the form of legal wording that looks like “use of computer networking technology to conceal ones identity or aid or abet or perpetrate any crime is unlawful under this section.”
So again, yes they absolutely can do it and no it wouldn’t mean corporations would suddenly have to turn in all their edge devices.
I’m really surprised that on this instance no one has replied with the “laws are threats made by the dominant social economic class” copypasta. Fake ahh anarchists…
Can anyone end the Ukraine war if Kiev refuses every compromise?
Can anyone end the Ukraine war if Kiev refuses every compromise?
Why every attempt at a Ukraine deal collapses under pressure from Kiev and BrusselsRT
No, and again, that doesn't apply in any way. Russia isn't going to surrender when they are winning the war, it isn't a real option. Either Ukraine and Russia successfully broker a peace deal, or Russia continues advancing at an increasingly rapid pace. That's the reality of the situation, the war is increasingly unpopular in Ukraine and corruption from the Banderites in charge is causing erosion of support.
There isn't a realistic way for Ukraine to win millitarily.
How to transfer a lot of storage?
I want to transfer 80 TB of data to another locatio . I already have the drives for it. The idea is to copy everything to it, fly it to the target and use or copy the data on/to the server.
What filesystem would you use and would you use a raid configuration? Currently I lean towards 8 single disk filesystems on the 10 TB drives with ext4, because it is simple. I considered ZFS because of the possiblity to scrub at the target destination and/or pool all drives. But ZFS may not be available at the target.
There is btrfs which should be available everywhere because it is in mainline linux and ZFS is not. But from my knowledge btrfs would require lvm to pool disks together like zfs can do natively.
Pooling the drives would also be a problem if one disk gets lost during transit. If I have everything on 8 single disks at least the remaining data can be used at the target and they only have to wait for the missing data.
I like to read about your opinions or practical experience with similar challanges.
I'd use XFS as it's excellent at copying big files of data (7z. img/iso/qcow2, 4K Videos).
For large amounts of smaller files (Like photos, odt, and PDFs), I'd use Ext4.
Taiwan puts $40 billion toward buying US weapons and building a defense dome
Currently, Taiwan has set an increase in its defense budget to 3.3% of its GDP for 2026, allocating $949.5 billion Taiwan dollars ($31.18 billion). U.S. President Donald Trump has demanded Taiwan raise its defense spending to as much as 10% of GDP, a proportion well above what the U.S. or any of its major allies spend.Lai had previewed the announcement in an op-ed for The Washington Post on Wednesday, saying the special budget would be used to purchase arms from the U.S. He told reporters Wednesday, however, that the budget has nothing to do with the government’s tariff negotiations with the U.S.
US empire and wealthy capitalists aren't the same thing, although their interests sometimes align.
All the billionaires in Taiwan are Taiwanese.
Wealthy capitalists, if they're not based in the US, have moved to those places, not to Taiwan.
An intermediary.A native of a colonised country who acts as the agent of the coloniser.
I don't get the point you're trying to make.
I said the wealthy capitalists went to not!Taiwan because the billionaires in Taiwan were already there.
Who is or is not a comprador has nothing to do with where wealthy capitalists relocate.
I don't get the point you're trying to make
Then you're trying very hard not to get it. Try harder, I believe in you👍
I was saying that the billionaires were not moving to the island of Taiwan.
You're talking about US Empire, which, as mentioned in my other responses in this thread, is irrelevant to the physical movements of billionaires.
Even if Taiwan declared itself to be US Empire island #76, it would not change the fact that billionaires did not move to the island of Taiwan.
I was saying that the billionaires were not moving to the island of Taiwan.
Man, you really are a dishonest little troll aren't you: "oh I was just saying this thing completely unrelated to the topic at hand. Oh, you thought I had a point? Nope, just making random statements for no reason."
Fuck off
This was the statement I was responding to:
It’s basically an island that all the wealthy capitalists ran away to after China imposed economic democracy.
Here was my response :
Wealthy capitalists, if they're not based in the US, have moved to [Singapore (or Switzerland, or the UAE)], not to Taiwan.
Where was what I said dishonest or irrelevant?
Edit: reorganized for legibility
They aren’t caught between anything. Taiwan is very much aligned with western imperial countries. It’s basically an island that all the wealthy capitalists ran away to after China imposed economic democracy. They love America and America loves them.
Wealthy capitalists, if they're not based in the US
Are you talking about this part? If so, what I was saying was that billionaires moved to either the US or the three countries I mentioned.
That means the billionaires from China also did not move to Taiwan.
You can also look at the wiki for Taiwan's billionaires. Only one was born in China and not Taiwan (Hong Kong, specifically), and I'm pretty sure he moved to Taiwan way before the events we're taking about in this thread.
Amazon in discussions with USPS about future relationship
Amazon.com (AMZN.O) said Thursday the e-commerce giant is in discussions with the U.S. Postal Service about its future relationship and considering its options before its current contract expires next year.
The Washington Post reported Thursday new Postmaster General David Steiner plans to hold a reverse auction in early 2026 that might create more competition within the Post Office for Amazon's business by offering access to postal facilities to the highest bidder, rather than directly to Amazon. It would make the company compete with national retail brands and regional shipping firms.
People’s Republic of China (PRC) State-Sponsored Actors Use BRICKSTORM Malware Across Public Sector and Information Technology Systems
In comedy of errors, men accused of wiping gov databases turned to an AI tool
Two sibling contractors convicted a decade ago for hacking into US State Department have once again been charged, this time for a comically hamfisted attempt to steal and destroy government records just minutes after being fired from their contractor jobs.The Department of Justice on Thursday said that Muneeb Akhter and Sohaib Akhter, both 34, of Alexandria, Virginia, deleted databases and documents maintained and belonging to three government agencies. The brothers were federal contractors working for an undisclosed company in Washington, DC, that provides software and services to 45 US agencies. Prosecutors said the men coordinated the crimes and began carrying them out just minutes after being fired.
In comedy of errors, men accused of wiping gov databases turned to an AI tool
Defendants were convicted of similar crimes a decade ago. How were they cleared again?Dan Goodin (Ars Technica)
Why the F is a single contractor able to delete an entire DB without any kind of sign off by a manager for that operation, unless they were and to sign off for each other.
Imagine if a junior messed up the command? Every system I've worked on has had these controls mainly for the latter issue, by the former also shouldn't have been possible.
Why won’t Steam Machine support HDMI 2.1? Digging in on the display standard drama.
Valve tells Ars its “trying to unblock” limits caused by open source driver issues.
Have you looked at the HDMI Forum member list and board of directors?
- hdmiforum.org/members/
- hdmiforum.org/about/hdmi-forum…
It includes pretty much every manufacturer who makes decisions which ports to include on their devices. They have no interest in DisplayPort adoption.
HDMI Forum Board of Directors - HDMI Forum
The HDMI Forum is a non-profit corporation governed by an elected Board of Directors from member companies. The Board approves and directs Working Groups to develop specifications for the HDMI... Read More »HDMI Forum
Jan. 6 Pipe Bomber Finally Arrested Half Decade Later
The FBI sucks at its job but wants you to salute them anyway
EU's Top Court Just Made It Impossible to Run a User-Generated Platform Legally
EU’s Top Court Just Made It Literally Impossible To Run A User-Generated Content Platform Legally
The Court of Justice of the EU—likely without realizing it—just completely shit the bed and made it effectively impossible to run any website in the entirety of the EU that hosts user-generated con…Techdirt
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Pentagon Claims It “Absolutely” Knows Who It Killed in Boat Strikes. Prove It, Lawmaker Says
cross-posted from: news.abolish.capital/post/1160…
Rep. Chrissy Houlahan said, “If there is intelligence to 'absolutely confirm' this, the Congress is ready to receive it.”The post Pentagon Claims It “Absolutely” Knows Who It Killed in Boat Strikes. Prove It, Lawmaker Says appeared first on The Intercept.
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Pentagon Claims It “Absolutely” Knows Who It Killed in Boat Strikes. Prove It, Lawmaker Says.
Rep. Chrissy Houlahan said, “If there is intelligence to ‘absolutely confirm’ this, the Congress is ready to receive it.”Nick Turse (The Intercept)
'A Human Rights Disaster': Report Details Torture and Chaos at 'Alligator Alcatraz'
cross-posted from: news.abolish.capital/post/1159…
Two immigration detention centers in Florida have gained notoriety for inhumane conditions since Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, in close alignment with President Donald Trump's anti-immigrant agenda, has rapidly scaled up mass detention in the state, and a report released Thursday detailed how human rights violations at the two facilities amount to torture in some cases.
Amnesty International published the report, *Torture and Enforced Di**sappearances in the Sunshine State*, with a focus on Krome North Service Processing Center and the Everglades Detention Facility, also known by its nickname, "Alligator Alcatraz."
As Common Dreams has reported, many of the people detained at the facilities have been arbitrarily rounded up by immigration agents, with a majority of the roughly 1,000 people being held at Alligator Alcatraz having been convicted of no criminal offense as of July.
Amnesty's report described unsanitary conditions, with fecal matter overflowing from toilets in detainees' sleeping areas, authorities granting only limited access to showers, and poor quality food and water.
Some of the treatment amounts to torture, the report says, including Alligator Alcatraz's use of "the box"—a 2x2 foot "cage-like structure people are put in as punishment—which inmates have been placed in for hours at a time with their hands and feet attached to restraints on the ground.
— (@)“These despicable and nauseating conditions at Alligator Alcatraz reflect a pattern of deliberate neglect designed to dehumanize and punish those detained there,” said Amy Fischer, director of refugee and migrant rights with Amnesty International USA. “This is unreal—where’s the oversight?”
At Krome, detainees have been arbitrarily placed in prolonged solitary confinement—defined as lasting longer than 15 days—which is prohibited under international law.
"The use of prolonged solitary confinement at Krome and the use of the ‘box’ at 'Alligator Alcatraz' amount to torture or other ill-treatment," said Amnesty.
The report elevates concerns raised in September by immigrant rights advocates regarding the lack of federal oversight at Alligator Alcatraz, with nearly 1,000 men detained at the prison having been "administratively disappeared"—their names absent from US Immigration and Customs Enforcement's detainee locator system.
"The absence of registration or tracking mechanisms for those detained at Alligator Alcatraz facilitates incommunicado detention and constitutes enforced disappearances when the whereabouts of a person being detained there is denied to their family, and they are not allowed to contact their lawyer," said Amnesty.
The state of Florida has not publicly confirmed the number of people detained at Alligator Alcatraz.
One man told Amnesty, "My lawyers tried to visit me, but they weren’t let in. They were told that they had to fill out a form, which they did, but nothing happened. I was never able to speak with them confidentially.”
At Krome, detainees described overcrowding, medical neglect, and abuse by guards when Amnesty researchers visited in September. ICE has constructed tents and other semi-permanent structures to hold more people than the facility is designed to detain.
The Amnesty researchers were given a tour of relatively extensive medical facilities at Krome, including a dialysis clinic, dental clinic, and a "state-of-the-art" mental health facility—but despite these resources, detainees described officials' failure to provide medical treatment and delays in health assessments. Four people—Ramesh Amechand, Genry Ruiz Guillen, Maksym Chernyak, and Isidro Pérez—have died this year while detained at Krome.
"It’s a disaster if you want to see the doctor," one man told Amnesty. "I once asked to see the doctor, and it took two weeks for me to finally see him. It’s very slow.”
Researchers with the organization witnessed "a guard violently slam a metal flap of a door to a solitary confinement room against a man’s injured hand," and people reported being "hit and punched" by officials at Krome.
In line with the Trump administration, DeSantis and Republican state lawmakers have sought to make Florida "a testing ground for abusive immigration enforcement policies," said Amnesty, with the state deputizing local law enforcement to make immigration arrests and issuing 34 no-bid contracts totaling more than $360 million for the operation of Alligator Alcatraz—while slashing spending on healthcare, food assistance, and disaster relief. Florida has increased the number of people in immigration detention by more than 50% since Trump took office in January.
The organization called on Florida to redirect detention funding toward healthcare, housing, and other public spending, and to ban "shackling, solitary confinement, and punitive outdoor confinement" in line with international standards.
"At the federal level, the US government must end its cruel mass immigration detention machine, stop the criminalization of migration, and bar the use of state-owned facilities for federal immigration custody," said Amnesty.
Fischer emphasized that the chaotic and abusive conditions Amnesty observed at Alligator Alcatraz and Krome "are not isolated."
"They represent a deliberate system of cruelty designed to punish people seeking to build a new life in the US,” said Fischer. “We must stop detaining our immigrant community members and people seeking safety and instead work toward humane, rights-respecting migration policies.”
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Alligator Alcatraz Is an 'Extrajudicial Black Site,' Immigrant Advocates Say as Detainees Disappear
According to the Miami Herald, over 1,000 detainees in Florida’s immigrant internment camp have effectively “disappeared,” with family and attorneys unable to track their whereabouts.stephen-prager (Common Dreams)
It can be hard. I have yet to see an elegant way to navigate threaded chains of comments. It's like "UltimateGamer386 [actual content]". On Reddit, at least Old Reddit, the upvote and downvote controles were the only buttons and were located immediately before the actual comment, so you could go from button to button, then press down arrow to read the comment.
I have enough vision to navigate to some degree, at least on a desktop. For laptop or phone it has to be a screen reader. I really should be reading braille more.
I was just thinking the other day that a dedicated semantic tag for user replies like or or would be nice, and they could be nested.
I wonder if semantic tags like
<
article>, with controls embedded in
<
nav> or similar tags, could work anyway.
Study reveals that dark web users show significantly higher levels of depression, paranoia, suicidal thoughts, self-injury, and digital self-harm compared to surface web users
FAU Study Finds Connection Between Poor Mental Health and Dark Web Use
A new study of 2,000 U.S. adults shows dark web users report much higher rates of depression, paranoia, suicidal thoughts, self-injury and digital self-harm than surface web users.www.fau.edu
‘I’m begging you’: what Snapchat knew about addicted users— Concerns were raised within the social media company about the effect of key features on users’ anxiety, addiction and body image
‘I’m begging you’: what Snapchat knew about addicted users
Internal emails show concerns within the company about the platform’s effect on teens’ mental healthEffie Webb (The Bureau of Investigative Journalism)
[Announcements] Announcing Path of Exile 2: The Last of the Druids
Check out some of the media coverage below!
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Path Of Exile 2 Players Can Expect "25 Percent Higher Frame Rates" In 0.4 Patch
You should expect a lot more frames in the new patch, especially on consoles.Harry Alston (TheGamer)
[Patch Notes] 0.3.1e Patch Notes
0.3.1e Patch Notes
- Added support for the upcoming The Last of the Druids announcement and new Supporter Packs.
- Enabled the Exile's Treasurer Hideout Decoration microtransaction for use in Path of Exile 2.
- Enabled the Echoes of the Maven Boots microtransaction for use in Path of Exile 2.
- Fixed a bug where the shatter visual effect was not playing.
- Fixed a bug where the Cauldron Map Device microtransaction was no longer tracking its relevant statistics.
This patch may take roughly 15 minutes to become available to download on PlayStation after it has been deployed.
Early Access Patch Notes - 0.3.1e Patch Notes - Forum - Path of Exile
Path of Exile is a free online-only action RPG under development by Grinding Gear Games in New Zealand.Path of Exile
[Patch Notes] 3.27.0e Patch Notes
3.27.0e Patch Notes
- Added support for the upcoming The Last of the Druids Path of Exile 2 announcement and new Supporter Packs.
- Added the Keepers of the Flame soundtrack to the Hideout Music Player.
- Fixed a bug where the Champion's Podium Map Device was not updating pillar animations in some situations.
Patch Notes - 3.27.0e Patch Notes - Forum - Path of Exile
Path of Exile is a free online-only action RPG under development by Grinding Gear Games in New Zealand.Path of Exile
'Intellexa Leaks' Reveal Wider Reach of Predator Spyware
cross-posted from: news.abolish.capital/post/1168…
Highly invasive spyware from consortium led by a former senior Israeli intelligence official and sanctioned by the US government is still being used to target people in multiple countries, a joint investigation published Thursday revealed.
Inside Story in Greece, Haaretz in Israel, Swiss-based WAV Research Collective, and Amnesty International collaborated on the investigation into Intellexa Consortium, maker of Predator commercial spyware. The "Intellexa Leaks" show that clients in Pakistan—and likely also in other countries—are using Predator to spy on people, including a featured Pakistani human rights lawyer.
“This investigation provides one of the clearest and most damning views yet into Intellexa’s internal operations and technology," said Amnesty International Security Lab technologist Jurre van Bergen.
🚨Intellexa Leaks:"Among the most startling findings is evidence that—at the time of the leaked training videos—Intellexa retained the capability to remotely access Predator customer systems, even those physically located on the premises of its govt customers."securitylab.amnesty.org/latest/2025/...[image or embed]
— Vas Panagiotopoulos (@vaspanagiotopoulos.com) December 3, 2025 at 9:07 PMPredator works by sending malicious links to a targeted phone or other hardware. When the victim clicks the link, the spyware infects and provide access to the targeted device, including its encrypted instant messages on applications such as Signal and WhatsApp, as well as stored passwords, emails, contact lists, call logs, microphones, audio recordings, and more. The spyware then uploads gleaned data to a Predator back-end server.
The new investigation also revealed that in addition to the aforementioned "one-click" attacks, Intellexa has developed "zero-click" capabilities in which devices are infected via malicious advertising.
In March 2024, the US Treasury Department sanctioned two people and five entities associated with Intellexa for their alleged role "in developing, operating, and distributing commercial spyware technology used to target Americans, including US government officials, journalists, and policy experts."
"The proliferation of commercial spyware poses distinct and growing security risks to the United States and has been misused by foreign actors to enable human rights abuses and the targeting of dissidents around the world for repression and reprisal," the department said at the time.
Those sanctioned include Intellexa, its founder Tal Jonathan Dilian—a former chief commander of the Israel Defense Forces' top-secret Technological Unit—his wife and business partner Sara Aleksandra Fayssal Hamou; and three companies within the Intellexa Consortium based in North Macedonia, Hungary, and Ireland.
In September 2024, Treasury sanctioned five more people and one more entity associated with the Intellexa Consortium, including Felix Bitzios, owner of an Intellexa consortium company accused of selling Predator to an unnamed foreign government, for alleged activities likely posing "a significant threat to the national security, foreign policy, or economic health or financial stability of the United States."
The Intellexa Leaks reveal that new consortium employees were trained using a video demonstrating Predator capabilities on live clients. raising serious questions regarding clients' understanding of or consent to such access.
"The fact that, at least in some cases, Intellexa appears to have retained the capability to remotely access Predator customer logs—allowing company staff to see details of surveillance operations and targeted individuals raises questions about its own human rights due diligence processes," said van Bergen.
"If a mercenary spyware company is found to be directly involved in the operation of its product, then by human rights standards, it could potentially leave them open to claims of liability in cases of misuse and if any human rights abuses are caused by the use of spyware," he added.
Dilian, Hamou, Bitzios, and Giannis Lavranos—whose company Krikel purchased Predator spyware—are currently on trial in Greece for allegedly violating the privacy of Greek journalist Thanasis Koukakis and Artemis Seaford, a Greek-American woman who worked for tech giant Meta. Dilian denies any wrongdoing or involvement in the case.
Earlier this week, former Intellexa pre-sale engineer Panagiotis Koutsios testified about traveling to countries including Colombia, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Mexico, Mongolia, the United Kingdom, and Uzbekistan, where he pitched Predator to public, intelligence, and state security agencies.
The new joint investigation follows Amnesty International's "Predator Files," a 2023 report detailing "how a suite of highly invasive surveillance technologies supplied by the Intellexa alliance is being sold and transferred around the world with impunity."
The Predator case has drawn comparisons with Pegasus, the zero-click spyware made by the Israeli firm NSO Group that has been used by governments, spy agencies, and others to invade the privacy of targeted world leaders, political opponents, dissidents, journalists, and others.
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'No One Is Safe': Phone Numbers of 14 World Leaders on Pegasus List
"If 10 prime ministers and three presidents can't be safe from mercenary spyware, what chance do the rest of us stand?" asked one critic. "Since the hacking industry is incapable of self-control, governments must step up."kenny-stancil (Common Dreams)
Opening the cage: the FSFE flies away from X (Twitter) - FSFE
The Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) permanently deleted its account on X (formerly Twitter) on December 4, 2025, citing the platform's increasing hostility and misalignment with their values[^1].The FSFE explained that while they initially used Twitter to promote free software values and connect with policymakers and journalists, the platform had become "a centralised arena of hostility, misinformation, and profit-driven control"[^1]. They specifically criticized X's algorithm for prioritizing "hatred, polarisation, and sensationalism"[^1].
While leaving X, the FSFE continues to maintain some presence on other proprietary platforms to reach wider audiences, but strongly encourages supporters to follow them on decentralized alternatives in the Fediverse, specifically their Mastodon and Peertube accounts[^1].
[^1]: FSFE - Opening the cage: the FSFE flies away from X (Twitter)
Opening the cage: the FSFE flies away from X (Twitter) - FSFE
The Free Software Foundation Europe deleted its account on X. The platform never aligned with our values and no longer serves as a space for communication....FSFE - Free Software Foundation Europe
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EU’s Top Court Just Made It Literally Impossible To Run A User-Generated Content Platform Legally
EU’s Top Court Just Made It Literally Impossible To Run A User-Generated Content Platform Legally
The Court of Justice of the EU—likely without realizing it—just completely shit the bed and made it effectively impossible to run any website in the entirety of the EU that hosts user-generated con…Techdirt
Minutes from 4 December 2025 WG Meeting
Apologies in advance if I misrepresented anybody or missed any crucial bits of information.
Attendees
- Julian (@julian@activitypub.space)
- Ted Thibodeau Jr (he/him) (OpenLinkSw.com) // GitHub:@TallTed // Mastodon:@TallTed
- Jesse Karmani (jesseplusplus@mastodon.social)
Agenda
- Mastodon context issues (backfill not possible at the moment)
- Context (topic/thread) deletion and moving between audiences (communities/categories)
- Draft FEP for the above
- Deleting entire tree vs. one post. with_replies or Remove(Context)?
- Cross-posting (stalled?)
Mastodon context issues
- Backfill not possible,
contextremainsnull - Claire and David are aware, can this be reproduced locally? @jesseplusplus
- Mastodon keeps track of the conversation, but not what the root-level ID is; Frequency keeps track of the parents. This was new to Mastodon codebase (all internally)
- Possibly the code shared for this is not working
- Jesse will take a look (diff b/w Decodon and Mastodon)
- Ted:
in-reply-totracking is akin to parent tracking - Jesse: Not quite; Mastodon now tracks root-level ID (that's the piece that might not be working.)
Mastodon reading context?
- The other (harder) half: FEP f228
- Jesse made David aware of the possibility of using f228 to backfill
- Asked whether this would conflict with existing reply tree crawling — suspect it will not.
- Expected 6–12 months out (or more)
- tl;dr — no update available, but none was expected either.
Context Relocation and Removal
- Pre-Draft FEP
- ActivityPub.Space Discussion
- Genesis of this FEP from needs of ActivityPub.Space. It bridges Microblogiverse and Threadiverse by importing discussions by hashtag (#activitypub among others)
- Lots of curation needed as people tend to use the #activitypub hashtag when discussing non-AP things
- Also non-English content, etc. (ActivityPub.Space is English-focused as we have two mods, Julian and another temporary mod from toot.wales/IFTAS)
- Pre-draft shared with Rimu (rimu@piefed.social) and Felix (nutomic@lemmy.ml) for their thoughts, discussion (linked above) started last night for some additional input.
- No opposition to
Move(Context)as it is not a functionality that is implemented by anybody at the moment- Hooray for greenfield AP dev!
Out-of-band discussion
Remove(Context)received some pushback from Lemmy. This was expected as both Lemmy and Piefed currently useDelete(Object)- Felix is recommending that
Delete(Object)can supplywith_repliesproperty to explicitly denote that the entire reply tree is to be deleted. - Julian is recommending that
Remove(Context)be used to explicitly denote that the reply-tree/container itself is removed, context can be resolved to determine which exact object IDs to delete if needed,Removealso tells you which audience/community it was removed from. - Rimu OK with either approach.
- Felix raised objection to the wording that
Delete(Post)is shown under "backwards compatibility" — Julian will update to reflect equal priority on both approaches.
ForumWG discussion
- Julian admits that it is likely much much easier for Lemmy to update their handling of
Deletevs. creating a new handler forRemove. - Julian notes disconnect with current behaviour (
Delete(Object)) and new behaviour (same, butwith_replies) and the actual effect (removal from the community); you cannot actually delete someone else's content because it does not satisfy same-origin constraint (yes, sometimes, but not always.) - Currently at an impasse as to how to proceed, but Julian encourages parties present to contribute to the discussion and review the FEP.
- Would prefer alignment as opposed to supporting both
RemoveandDelete(Object) w/ repliesgiven that it is unlikely both will be implemented widely.
Action Items
- [ ] Jesse: investigate
nullcontextissue; Mastodon - [ ] Julian: Revise and publish FEP f15d
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Re: Minutes from 4 December 2025 WG Meeting
silverpill@mitra.social said in Minutes from 4 December 2025 WG Meeting:
> 1. It assumes that a context always belongs to one group.
Yes that's correct. There was the potential for a context to belong to multiple audiences but social issues preclude further research.
Specifically, moderation gets very messy when contexts are cross posted to diametrically opposing audiences, and so that's not something I am equipped to work through right now.
Secondly, the assumption is already there that a context only belongs to one audience. We will not change that expectation.
Minutes from 4 December 2025 WG Meeting
@julianFEP-f15d: Context Relocation and RemovalI have two objections to this proposal. We discussed them before in Moving topics/contexts between communities...⁂ ActivityPub.Space
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Re: Minutes from 4 December 2025 WG Meeting
silverpill@mitra.social said in Minutes from 4 December 2025 WG Meeting:
> 2. Treating collections (dynamic views) as static objects that can be moved, deleted etc is not compatible with client-side signing.
You mentioned this before, but I am not sure what you are referring to. Do you mind elaborating?
Minutes from 4 December 2025 WG Meeting
@julianFEP-f15d: Context Relocation and RemovalI have two objections to this proposal. We discussed them before in Moving topics/contexts between communities...⁂ ActivityPub.Space
Everyone in Seattle Hates AI — Jonathon Ready
Everyone in Seattle Hates AI — Jonathon Ready
A post about everyone in Seattle hating AI.jonready.com
You've moved my opinion on this definitely, I have never been inside that world, but I engage with it all the time because of my work.
Rather than being something strange and wrong, it's just a thing that works, and that's why you guys adopt it. Like rubber duck programming.
Server prices set to jump 15%, PCs 5%, as memory costs spike
Server prices set to jump 15%, PCs 5%, as memory costs spike - channel sources
Exclusive: Major OEMs are plotting double-digit hikes as DRAM and NAND shortages bitePaul Kunert (The Register)
Why Are New Appliances So Bad? [41:02]
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I don't keep up on the appliance world very much, but for many years I have been under the impression that when replacing one it's always a good call to NOT get the Samsung.
I have literally never seen reason to doubt that rule.
I'm actually pretty happy with my current appliances, but I don't stick all to one brand and I stick with the simpler cheaper designs. If paying for the next higher tier brings higher build quality or upgrades the core function's power/capacity, then I'll probably go for it.
FBI arrests suspect in Jan. 2021 pipe-bombing case
The suspect has been charged with placing the bombs, which did not detonate. The allegations, if proven, would end a longstanding mystery that sparked a multitude of conspiracy theories over who planted the pipe bombs before a mob of pro-Trump supporters stormed the Capitol aiming to stop Joe Biden from being installed as president. Authorities have not yet determined a motive, a law enforcement official said. But the suspect has been linked to statements in support of anarchist ideology, said two people briefed on the arrest.
The FBI’s case against the suspect is not based on a new breakthrough, according to two sources, but instead on a review the FBI conducted in recent weeks of evidence that had already been gathered and which the department had in its possession. The sources requested anonymity to speak freely about a sensitive case. That voluminous trove of material was largely collected in 2021 and 2022.
FBI arrests suspect in Jan. 2021 pipe-bombing case
Authorities say the suspect placed viable explosive devices outside the RNC and DNC offices the night before the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot.Ken Dilanian (MS NOW)
New Report Exposes Torture, Abuse, and Medical Neglect in Florida Migrant Jails
New Report Exposes Torture, Abuse, and Medical Neglect in Florida Migrant Jails
An Amnesty official noted that the abusive conditions the organization observed at the facilities “are not isolated.”…Julia Conley (Truthout)
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Chicago Promoted Two Police Officers After Investigators Found They Engaged in Sexual Misconduct
One of Chicago’s newest police sergeants had been deemed “unfit to serve” after an investigation uncovered evidence that he created a fake Facebook account and spread a nude photo of a woman he was sexually involved with, then lied to investigators about it.
Another new sergeant had been found to have engaged in conduct that “seriously undermines public faith, credibility, and trust in the Department” after he was accused of sexual assault and domestic violence.
The officers’ promotions this spring were not due to an oversight. Department officials knew about their disciplinary records, but those records could not be considered as the department evaluated their fitness for promotion.
Chicago Promoted Two Police Officers After Investigators Found They Engaged in Sexual Misconduct
The Chicago Police Department’s promotions system allows officers’ disciplinary records to be ignored. Despite years of reform efforts, nothing has changed.cengiz.yar@propublica.org (ProPublica)
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Affordable Care Act premiums are set to spike. A new poll shows enrollees are already struggling
The enhanced premium tax credits set to expire at the end of this year have been at the center of recent tensions in Congress, with Democrats calling for a straight extension and several Republican lawmakers vehemently opposed to the idea. Their inability to agree on a path forward fueled a record 43-day government shutdown earlier this fall.
President Donald Trump and some Republicans in Congress have circulated proposals in recent weeks to offer a short-term extension or reform the Affordable Care Act, but no plan has emerged as a clear winner. Meanwhile, the window for Americans to shop for next year’s plans is well underway with less than a month to go until the subsidies expire.
KFF’s poll reveals that marketplace enrollees — most of whom say they would be directly impacted by the subsidies expiring — overwhelmingly support an extension. The survey found this group is more likely to blame Trump and Republicans in Congress than Democrats if the tax credits are left to expire.
Welcome to the Post-Naive Internet Era
Welcome to the Post-Naive Internet Era
The grand idealism of the free and open internet might be over for now, but in its place falls a more practical mindset.Mozilla Foundation
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For This Prestigious Contest, Photographers Capture the Planet's Most Stunning Landscapes
For This Prestigious Contest, Photographers Capture the Planet's Most Stunning Landscapes — Colossal
A panel of judges chose three top winners, with the first place award of Landscape Photographer of the Year presented to J. Fritz Rumpf.Kate Mothes (Colossal)
Wireless EV charging hits 90% efficiency in Swiss real-world trials
Bonus video of Swiss-German in the wild included. If you think German sounds harsh, you'll love the Zuerich dialect. At least it's all done in sing-song fashion, as is called for.
A real-world trial by scientists in Switzerland has demonstrated that wireless EV charging can achieve up to 90 percent efficiency compared with conventional cable-based systems, while offering far greater convenience.Supported by the Swiss Federal Office of Energy and the cantons of Zurich and Aargau, the project, called INLADE, was carried out by researchers from Empa in collaboration with the electric utility Eniwa AG.
Through this first-of-its-kind initiative, the team tested wireless inductive charging under real-life conditions in Switzerland. They are certain that what has long been routine for phones and electric toothbrushes could soon become a reality for EVs.
“The aim was to test the existing technology in everyday use, clarify technical and regulatory issues and demonstrate its potential for the energy transition,” Mathias Huber, from Empa’s Chemical Energy Carriers and Vehicle Systems lab, said.
Wireless EV charging hits 90% efficiency in Swiss real-world trials
Swiss researchers have achieved 90 percent efficiency with wireless EV charging, proving inductive systems can match plug-in performance.Georgina Jedikovska (Interesting Engineering)
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Introducing Proton Sheets
Introducing Proton Sheets: Protect the data that drives your business
Proton Drive now includes Proton Sheets, giving you secure, encrypted spreadsheets for safer collaboration, organized data, and aligned teams.Anant Vijay (Proton)
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The threats from AI are real | Sen. Bernie Sanders [15:02]
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Trump Family’s Crypto Empire Collapses: Nearly $1 Billion Wiped Out as World Liberty and Memecoins Crash
Trump Family’s Crypto Empire Collapses: Nearly $1 Billion Wiped Out as World Liberty and Memecoins Crash - 𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐃𝐀𝐈𝐋𝐘 𝐆𝐋𝐈𝐓𝐂𝐇
Trump crypto empire falls faster than bitcoinShadrack (The Daily Glitch)
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Quantum Rayleigh-Taylor Instability
The Rayleigh-Taylor instability–typically marked by mushroom-shaped plumes–occurs when a dense fluid accelerates into a less dense one. But researchers have now demonstrated the effect at quantum scales, too.
For their experiment, the group used a Bose-Einstein condensate of sodium atoms and made the interface between them by exciting half of the atoms into a spin-up state and half into a spin-down one. With the interface is place, they reversed the magnetic field gradient, inducing a force on the atoms equivalent to the buoyant force seen in conventional Rayleigh-Taylor instabilities. As shown above, the interface first warped, then developed Rayleigh-Taylor mushrooms and eventually became turbulent. (Image and research credit: Y. Geng et al.; via Physics World)
#fluidDynamics #instability #physics #quantumMechanics #RayleighTaylorInstability #science #turbulence
Quantum fluids mix like oil and water – Physics World
Rayleigh–Taylor instability responsible for mushroom clouds appears in a two-component BECAli Lezeik (Physics World)
RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung
RAM is so expensive, Samsung won't even sell it to Samsung
Due to rising prices from the "AI" bubble, Samsung Semiconductor reportedly refused a RAM order for new Galaxy phones from Samsung Electronics.Michael Crider (PCWorld)
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Anti-immigrant material among AI-generated content getting billions of views on TikTok
Anti-immigrant material among AI-generated content getting billions of views on TikTok
Researchers uncovered 354 AI-focused accounts that had accumulated 4.5bn views in a monthDan Milmo (The Guardian)
Enjoy ProtonMail's premium custom scheduling & custom snoozing for free
Using this userscript I made :git.kaki87.net/KaKi87/userscripts/protonmailWithoutAnnoyancesProtonMail allows scheduling and snoozing messages for free at preset times, e.g. tomorrow, next Monday, this weekend, etc., and always at 8, but makes people pay to choose a customized date and time.
I had a hunch that this restriction might only be implemented client-side, so I tried modifying the value in DevTools for the first time, and I couldn't believe it : that worked !
So, in order to automate this, I created a userscript that replaces the button press handler for the "custom" option, then lets you input whatever value you need, e.g. (next) Wednesday, (in) 30 minutes, (today at) 8 PM, Thursday at 7 (AM), etc.
Then, it lets the app believe that we're gonna schedule using the tomorrow preset, until it intercepts the request and swaps the time value with the user's choice.
Enjoy !
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And that’s why you validate serverside, not clientside, kids
But also, sweet little utility!
Your Data Might Determine How Much You Pay for Eggs
If you’re near Rochester, New York, the price for a carton of Target’s Good & Gather eggs is listed as $1.99 on its website. If you’re in Manhattan’s upscale Tribeca neighborhood, that price changes to $2.29. It’s unclear why the prices differ, but a new notice on Target’s website offers a potential hint: “This price was set by an algorithm using your personal data.”A recently enacted New York State law requires businesses that algorithmically set prices using customers’ personal data to disclose that. According to the law, personal data includes any data that can be “linked or reasonably linked, directly or indirectly, with a specific consumer or device.” The law doesn’t require businesses to explicitly state what information about a person or device is being used or how each piece of information affects the final price a customer sees. The law includes a carve-out for the use of location data strictly to calculate cab or rideshare fares based on mileage and trip duration but not for other purposes.
The law also requires that the disclosure is “clear and conspicuous.” Target’s disclosure is not the easiest to find–a customer would have to know to click the “i” icon next to the price of an item, then scroll to the bottom of the pop-up. In the past, the courts have held that it’s not always reasonable to assume that a customer will click on “more information” links when it’s not required.
https://www.wired.com/story/algorithmic-pricing-eggs-ny-law/
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Balcony Solar is coming to the USA, sort of
What's the deal with balcony solar?
Cora Stryker joins me to explain how "plug-in" solar took Europe by storm and is finally, via Utah (?), making its way to America.David Roberts (Volts)
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If Cars Are Too Expensive, Just Pump More Gas. What?
The net benefit is put at just $24 billion or, using households as a proxy for families, a princely $181 per household spread over five years. The $925 figure, meanwhile, equates to less than 2% of today’s average vehicle price. Even assuming it were actually realized, at $3 per gallon it would be eaten up by extra gasoline costs within three years....
In the real world, relaxing mileage standards, along with the earlier removal of penalties for missing them, will spur Detroit to sell more of the higher margin, lower fuel-economy, trucks and SUVs at the core of its business model, as opposed to shifting production toward smaller, cheaper models.
The fuel economy standard being repealed is one that's incredibly beneficial to consumers — it both encourages the production of less expensive vehicles, and saves on fuel costs.
New Fuel Economy Rules Won't Save Drivers Much
The Trump administration has hit upon an unorthodox solution to the cost-of-living crisis: Pumping more gasoline. Executives from Ford Motor Co., General Motors Co.Liam Denning (Bloomberg)
GNU/Linux.ch Artikel: Das Fediverse stirbt langsam
Wir können in den letzten Monaten einen deutlichen Rückgang der aktiven Nutzenden feststellen. Doch was genau sind die Gründe dafür und was können wir dagegen tun?
Interessanter Artikel. Bin nicht sicher was ich davon halten soll. Hier ist die Statistik auf die der Artikel sich bezieht. Meine Instanz sieht auch einen massiven Ausschlag an neuen Nutzern letzten Februar/März aber auch hier im Threadiverse war es eigentlich immer schwer neue Nutzer zu halten. Wenn es denn tatsächlich auch echte neue Nutzer waren. Wir haben immer wieder diese Ereignisse mit einem Zustrom von Leuten. Aber ansonsten gehen die Statistiken für Lemmy eigentlich regelmäßig nach unten.
Und ich denke ich beobachte auch einen gesellschaftlichen Wandel. Also vielen Leuten ist das was mir wichtig ist zunehmend unwichtiger?! Oder wir haben resigniert? Aber eigentlich wäre doch im Moment ein guter Zeitpunkt um von den Plattformen die schon lange zunehmend kommerzieller und manipulativer werden zu Alternativen zu wechseln, die von Menschen für Menschen geschaffen werden?
RRF Caserta. Cinema. Die my love. Autopsia di un rapporto
golden_zealot
in reply to ashx64 • • •Well shit. I would like this better if more things played nicely with wayland, as wayland itself seems pretty great. Remmina for example can't do multi-monitor outside of x for example and this is breaking for me when i remote into my work computer.
I realize that this is the fault of remmina and not wayland. Any RDP client recommendations that work on wayland for this?
chronicledmonocle
in reply to golden_zealot • • •golden_zealot
in reply to chronicledmonocle • • •chronicledmonocle
in reply to golden_zealot • • •golden_zealot
in reply to chronicledmonocle • • •chronicledmonocle
in reply to golden_zealot • • •golden_zealot
in reply to chronicledmonocle • • •Primarily my aforementioned issue with Remmina not being able to span multiple monitors while running under wayland.
I think when I looked it up I saw the Remmina devs have been aware of this problem for a couple years now, but the problem is surprisingly difficult for them to fix for a few reasons I can't recall at the moment.
Jess
in reply to golden_zealot • • •golden_zealot
in reply to Jess • • •Jess
in reply to golden_zealot • • •Try the suggestions here: discussion.fedoraproject.org/t…
I've personally tried upsetting Wayland, setting the GDK backend, and setting qt_qpa_backend. Since remmina is a GTK app (or am I miss remembering?) I think it wouldn't be the last one.
It's worth a shot.
How do I run an app with X11 in Xwayland?
Fedora Discussiongolden_zealot
in reply to Jess • • •chronicledmonocle
in reply to ashx64 • • •Honestly for the best. X11 was great for what it was, but Wayland is the future. XWayland covers X11 apps that haven't been ported yet.
Now I just wish Cinnamon would hurry up and move to fully default Wayland.
ExtremeUnicorn
in reply to chronicledmonocle • • •It may be the future, but it's unusable for me.
I have a high dpi screen. Upscaling does not perfectly work for me in every program, but simply setting it to Full HD does work and looks fine.
However, when I set it to the lower resolution in Wayland, I have 50% of the display active with black bars all around.
So far, there seems to be no fix for this?
Same thing happens if you start older, lower resolution fullscreen apps (retro games and such).
bitwolf
in reply to ExtremeUnicorn • • •ExtremeUnicorn
in reply to bitwolf • • •I tried it on KDE (or rather, it forced me to after it simply updated to Wayland by default). I tried to set it up correctly, but it just didn't quite work.
I also need no fractional scaling, but some software does not honor that anyway (e.g. VST interfaces).
Simply reducing the resolution is a simple fix, also easier on the GPU, but Wayland will not fill the screen and intead just shows the tiny original 1:1 image in the middle.
unique_hemp
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in reply to unique_hemp • • •skibidi
in reply to ExtremeUnicorn • • •bridgeenjoyer
in reply to ExtremeUnicorn • • •Doesn't work for me either. Wayland broke my volume keys, and my left ctrl and caps lock keys. Also makes jellyfin go black.
X11 just works...
Auli
in reply to chronicledmonocle • • •rhabarba
in reply to ashx64 • • •setVeryLoud(true);
in reply to rhabarba • • •Linux is not UNIX. And X isn't part of POSIX.
Also, Wayland works on FreeBSD.
rhabarba
in reply to setVeryLoud(true); • • •Please refrain from replying to things I haven’t said. None of your points invalidate mine.
Alaknár
in reply to rhabarba • • •rhabarba
in reply to Alaknár • • •It does have a relation. KDE worked just well on most Unices for decades. "Going all-in" on Wayland means that they'll drop support for all operating systems except Linuces and FreeBSD. There are two explanations for that:
I'm not quite sure where you're misunderstanding me here. Care to elaborate?
ferret
in reply to rhabarba • • •تحريرها كلها ممكن
in reply to rhabarba • • •rhabarba
in reply to تحريرها كلها ممكن • • •LeFantome
in reply to rhabarba • • •One of the great aspects of Open Source is that you can continue to use any software you like for as long as you want. Enjoy Xorg (or your other favourite X11 server).
Of course, a majority of Xorg devs disagreed with you which is why they started Wayland to begin with. And a majority of desktop Linux users disagree with you now as three quarters of them have switched to Wayland.
Wayland offers a lot that X11 does not at this point. So, nobody is coming back. But if you are happy with X, stick with it.
You are going to lose access to a lot of apps though. There are very few Wayland only apps now but there are going to be many more in the coming years. And when toolkits like GTK5 go Wayland only, you may lose a some you already use.
rhabarba
in reply to LeFantome • • •There is no Wayland on some of the systems I use.
LeFantome
in reply to rhabarba • • •LeFantome
in reply to rhabarba • • •KDE:
“The Unix philosophy favors composability as opposed to monolithic design”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_phi…
Xorg is a monolith with essentially one implementation. Wayland is a modular system with almost every component available from multiple sources.
Saying adopting Wayland means you “hate UNIX” is one of the least thoughtful arguments I can imagine.
philosophy on developing software
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Lydia_K
in reply to ashx64 • • •God dammit, everytime I have to use wayland I find something that I need to use which doesn't work.
Can we please wait until wayland can actually replace x11 and not pretend just showing a desktop is all it needs to do?
grue
in reply to Lydia_K • • •rhabarba
in reply to grue • • •grue
in reply to rhabarba • • •rhabarba
in reply to grue • • •grue
in reply to rhabarba • • •The point is, nobody gives a shit about Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, etc. anymore and your argument is stupid.
Every Unix or Unix-like OS that matters in 2025 is either switching from X11 to Wayland or never used X11 to begin with.
rhabarba
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in reply to grue • • •flying_sheep
in reply to grue • • •passepartout
in reply to Lydia_K • • •Do you have some examples? Most things I (and others) do are in the category "showing a desktop", multiple desktops with different resolution / scaling / refresh rate, maybe opening a virtual monitor using krfb.
Wayland has been a complete game changer for me regarding performance and reliability (as soon as it hit a certain stability lol).
makingStuffForFun
in reply to passepartout • • •I use Talon voice. It's software that let's me use the pc still, due to write severe RSI.
However, Wayland doesn't allow a lot of functionality that tools like this need.
Therefore, anyone who requires a tool similar to Talon, needs X11.
KDE is out.
flying_sheep
in reply to makingStuffForFun • • •Sucks that they just claim that and give up instead of trying to work together with Wayland compositors to make this happen.
I don't understand why they would drop you like this.
enumerator4829
in reply to flying_sheep • • •Because instead of just using a common well defined API, every developer is supposed to ”work together with Wayland compositors”, of which there are many, none of which are up to feature parity with X. Working together with the (at least) three major compositors is far top much work for most projects, if you can even get them on board.
Every compositor must reimplement everything previously covered by third party software, or at least define and reimplement APIs to cover that functionality. We have been screaming about this obvious design fuckup since Wayland was first introduced, but nooo, every frame is perfect.
Take a look at arcan-fe.com/ for what a properly architected display server could look like instead of the mess we currently have with Wayland. I’m holding off on moving to Wayland for many reasons, and it wouldn’t surprise me if Arcan becomes mature and fully usable before Wayland. If I get to place a bet on either on Wayland or a few guys in a basement with a proper architecture, I know what I’ll put my money on.
Arcan
Arcanthatonecoder
in reply to enumerator4829 • • •flying_sheep
in reply to enumerator4829 • • •Yes, they were supposed to reach out at some point in the last 17 years, idk what to tell you.
Someone did it for them even: github.com/splondike/wayland-a…
wayland-accessibility-notes/talon-requirements.md at main · splondike/wayland-accessibility-notes
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in reply to flying_sheep • • •That list is hilarious. I especially love how gnome just gives up on Wayland protocols and wants everyone to run a sidechannel over dbus instead.
This is why we can’t have nice things.
flying_sheep
in reply to enumerator4829 • • •I don't get what you mean. Isn't the list just a status quo and not how things are supposed to be forever? What's “hilarious” about somebody painstakingly going through all the features and checking how close they are?
Like I wouldn't put it past GNOME to give up on interoperability at the slightest inconvenience, but I don't see that here?
enumerator4829
in reply to flying_sheep • • •It’s hilarious that all of this was foreseen 17 years ago by basically everyone, and here is a nice list providing just those exact points. I’ve never seen a better structured ”told ya so” in my life.
The point isn’t that the features are there or not, but how horrendously fragmented the ecosystem is. Implementing anything trying to use that mess of API surface would be insane to attempt for any open source project, even when ignoring that the compositors are still moving targets.
(Also, holy shit the Gnome people really wants everyone to use dbus for everything.)
Edit: 17 years. Seventeen years. This is what we got. While the list is status quo, it’s telling that it took 17 years to implement most of the features expected of a display server back in the last millenium. Most features, but not all.
flying_sheep
in reply to enumerator4829 • • •Pretty good for mostly volunteers, hampered by recalcitrant project leads that actively sabotage any progress and consider “told you so” appropriate.
If anyone cared enough, they could have made that list 17 years ago, and pushed through a set of protocol extensions that allow talon to work.
Why did nobody do that?
It's crazy to me that people complain now. It's far too late for complaints.
enumerator4829
in reply to flying_sheep • • •flying_sheep
in reply to enumerator4829 • • •Maybe you didn't do it right. Everything Wayland I ever complained about is fixed now.
I fell like if you had put this list into a Wayland protocol extension request, then put a link to that request into KDE’s showstoppers list, this would have been fixed long long ago.
enumerator4829
in reply to flying_sheep • • •It’s great that most showstoppers are fixed now. Seventeen years later.
But I’ll bite: Viable software rendered and/or hardware accelerated remote deskop support with load balancing and multiple users per server (headless and GPU-less). So far - maybe possible. But then you need to allow different users to select different desktop environments (due to either user preferences or actual business requirements). All this may be technically possible, but the architecture of Wayland makes this very hard to implement and support in practice. And if you get it going, the hard focus on GPU acceleration yields an extreme cost increase, as you now need to buy expensive Nvidia-GPUs for VDI with even more expensive licenses. Every frame can’t be perfect over a WAN link.
This is trivial with X, multiple commercially supported solutions exist, see for example Thinlinc. This is deployable in literally ten minutes. Battle tested and works well. I know of multiple institutional users actively selecting X in current greenfield deployments due to this, rolling out to thousands of users in well funded high profile projects.
As for the KDE showstopper list - that’s exactly my point. I can’t put my showstoppers in a single place, I need to report to KDE, Gnome and wlroots and then track all of them, that’s the huge architectural flaw here. We can barely get commercial vendors to interact with a single project, and the Wayland architecture requires commercial vendors to interact with a shitton of issue trackers and different APIs (apparently also dbus). Suddenly you have a CAD suite that only works on KDE and some FEM software that only runs on a particular version of Gnome, with a user that wants both running at the same time. I don’t care about how well KDE works. I care that users can run the software they need, the desktop environment is just a tool to do that. The fragmentation between compositors really fucks this up by coupling software to display manager. Eventually, this will focus commercial efforts on the biggest commercial desktop environment (i.e. whatever RHEL uses), leaving the rest behind.
(Fun story, one of my colleagues using Wayland had a postit with ”DO NOT TURN OFF” on his monitor the entire pandemic - his VNC session died if the DisplayPort link went down.)
flying_sheep
in reply to enumerator4829 • • •Thanks, this is a much more nuanced take than what I'm used to.
Regarding thinlinc: They seem to be on it: community.thinlinc.com/t/wayla…
Regarding fragmented support: is that true? Why would some CAD software not work everywhere when most other software does? Does the thing really need some specific niche Wayland protocol that's only implemented on one DE for the time being? And if yes, will that protocol really be the first relevant one to not be implemented across the board? I feel like you're conjuring to a problem that doesn't necessarily exist. Do you have an actual concrete example that goes beyond “the subwindow placement for this multi-window program is a bit wonky without impeding usability in the slightest”?
Wayland, TigerVNC, and ThinLinc: The future of remote desktops in Linux
ThinLinc Community Forumenumerator4829
in reply to flying_sheep • • •Software compatibility is a problem on X as well, so I’m extrapolating. I don’t expect the situation to get better though. I’ve managed software that caused fucking kernel panics unless it ran on Gnome. The support window for this type of software is extremely narrow and some vendors will tell you to go pound sand unless you run exactly what they want.
I’m no longer working with either educational or research IT, so at least it’s someone else’s problem.
As for ThinLinc, their customers have asked about what their plan is for the past decade, but to quote them: ”Fundamentally, Wayland is not compatible with remote desktops in its core design.” (And that was made clear by everyone back in 2008)
Edit: tangentially related, the only reasonable way to run VNC now against Wayland is to use the tightly coupled VNC-server within the compositor (as you want intel on window placements and redraws and such, encoding the framebuffer is just bad). If you want to build a system on top of that, you need to integrate with every compositor separately, even though they all support ”VNC” in some capacity. The result is that vendors will go for the common denominatior, which is running in a VM and grabbing the framebuffer from the hypervisor. The user experience is absolute hot garbage compared to TigerVNC on X.
mononoke
in reply to makingStuffForFun • • •Assassassin
in reply to passepartout • • •ferret
in reply to Assassassin • • •I have had a lot of luck forcing broken apps to use ZINK (Yes, you can do this on the nvidia propriety driver! Yes, it will use the proprietary vulkan driver as a backend.)
I have a 3060 12GB and have yet to run into something broken that I couldn’t get to work, although it is annoying that NVIDIA still can’t be fucked to have a driver that doesn’t reek.
ugo
in reply to passepartout • • •Yeah I second this. I’ve been on wayland for a few years now and while my needs are pretty standard I also regularly need slightly-off-the-beaten-path features. Not everything used to always work, but in the last, I want to say 18 months, I never found my needs lacking.
Multiple monitors work, adaptive sync works, mic / webcam works, screen / window sharing works, remote desktop and wayland forwarding works, etc.
That’s not to say everything is guaranteed to work all the time, but I am surprised to see people saying that even today they always find something fundamental that is broken when they attempt to switch.
passepartout
in reply to ugo • • •flying_sheep
in reply to passepartout • • •Yeah.
In the first months, there were clipboard issues.
Until 2 years or so ago for me, screen sharing wasn't perfect.
I searched for or filed issues whenever I could, and there's not a trace of a problem left.
I wonder if these people just complain on social media and give up immediately without informing anyone relevant and then feign surprise when shit's not magically fixed later.
balsoft
in reply to Lydia_K • • •I think if you have some use-case that Wayland doesn't fulfill, it's totally fine to just pin some version of Plasma and stick with it. Maybe even switch to Trinity. Chances are it will keep working for like a decade or more.
I still use kdenlive 18.08, because I know how to use that version, and it does what I need it to do perfectly well. They broke something I needed in 19.whatever (I don't remember what it was anymore), so I just pinned it and kept using it ever since. Maybe one day I'll try to figure out the latest version, but there's no real incentive for me to do so.
Lydia_K
in reply to balsoft • • •Yeah, you are right. Just a massive pain to deal with as things continue to diverge and I'm forced to deal with maintaining more and more custom solutions just to maintain functionality.
I want wayland to get there, just not seeing it yet.
mech
in reply to Lydia_K • • •The current release doesn't even include a Wayland session yet (nor systemd).
And judging by the project's history, the next major release is likely going to drop in 10+ years.
mnemonicmonkeys
in reply to Lydia_K • • •Unfortunately there's always devs that refuse to change so long as their setup still works, even if there's significantly better alternatives. The only option for dealing with them is to rip off the bandaid. Either they'll put in the work to keep up or they'll fall into obscurity
flying_sheep
in reply to mnemonicmonkeys • • •You're so right:
LeFantome
in reply to ashx64 • • •“For most users, this will have no immediate impact. The vast majority of our users are already using the Wayland session”
So happy to read this as there is always somebody still claiming that “Wayland does not work” and “nobody wants to switch to Wayland” just because they have not.
Also great to see that the plan is for Wayland on FreeBSD as well so the Open Source desktops can stay aligned. GNOME on FreeBSD is more problematic, not because of Wayland but because of Systemd.
tyler
in reply to LeFantome • • •brucethemoose
in reply to tyler • • •It’s a very Linux thing.
People get very particular about their setups.
flying_sheep
in reply to brucethemoose • • •It's understandable on some level: if you're suddenly no longer part of the majority tribe you know you'll get fewer bug fixes and so on.
So bullying and FUDing people into staying with your tribe could pay off.
What I don't get is how they don't realize that they've lost. PulseAudio (through PipeWire) is here to stay. Systemd is here to stay. Wayland is here to stay.
Maybe they just like being contrarian if they can't win.
BunScientist
in reply to flying_sheep • • •flying_sheep
in reply to BunScientist • • •What made you think that that's a relevant answer?
I specifically said PULSEAUDIO is here to stay, you know, as opposed to manually managing a trillion ALSA devices.
Then I mentioned PipeWire to placate the nitpickers who would point out that PulseAudio (the implementation) isn't actually around anymore, only the device management paradigm.
And somehow you honed into that word, completely ignored everything around it, and said some stuff that sounds vaguely related to the topic at hand, yet has no actual meaning.
Why?
grue
in reply to flying_sheep • • •flying_sheep
in reply to grue • • •OK, let's see if I remember well:
OSS is obsolete.
ALSA is a basic primitive way to do play audio streams integrated into the kernel.
PA is an abstraction on top of ALSA that helps with network stuff, per-application volume control, …
JACK is an alternative to ALSA/PA for low latency professional use cases: you can plumb it yourself, connect inputs/outputs, …
PW is an efficient implementation of both PA and JACK, which is better than the original PA in latency.
Auth
in reply to BunScientist • • •brucethemoose
in reply to ashx64 • • •brucethemoose
in reply to brucethemoose • • •Apparently, this is hardly hyperbole. For example: bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3…
377162 – Window shading not supported for Wayland windows
bugs.kde.orgmajster
in reply to brucethemoose • • •brucethemoose
in reply to majster • • •I suppose not. Not yet.
I know people are particular about WMs, but having to minimize a window vs keeping the window decoration in place seems like a… very minor distinction.
Is the use case rearranging a ton of windows? Something like that?
Peasley
in reply to brucethemoose • • •RE: use case
It's really nice to be able to see the whole titles. A vertical panel cuts off most text, so you just have a bunch of icons when you minimize. if multiple windows are from the same app it's confusing.
If you use a horizontal panel you have a bit more room, but a significant amount of text is still cut off, and the panel fills up quickly.
Even with as few as 6 windows open (lets say two browser and three file manager, and a terminal) minimizing is a mess. I find it better to just leave the window bar somewhere visible and shade it, since i can read all the text on my window at a glance. Combined with "keep above others", you can get a really nice way to quickly refrence something infrequently while you do most of your work in another window.
A more typical workflow for me is 1-4 windows of a pdf reader, 1-3 file manager windows, 1 browser window, and 1 terminal window. It's just easier to keep it all organized with window shading.
I find it much faster than a bunch of alt-tabbing, or playing hide and seek with the panel just to get a specific two PDF windows up side by side for a second
majster
in reply to brucethemoose • • •pastermil
in reply to ashx64 • • •Despite all its shortcomings, I do believe Wayland is the future. Sooner or later, all the funky decorative quirks will be some relics of the past.
Maybe someday, they will be added back, and we'll once again have that jelly window effect, but at the moment, people actually depend on this thing to do some work, even more true with the Windows exodus.
I'd rather that they focus at the risk of being dull rather than fumbling on this chance.
Yes, I know that popularity isn't everything, but considering how big they (and GNOME) are, they can really make The Year of Linux Desktop(TM).
LilaOrchidee
in reply to pastermil • • •pastermil
in reply to LilaOrchidee • • •Auth
in reply to pastermil • • •Peasley
in reply to ashx64 • • •Damn. I guess it's finally goodbye window shade or goodbye Plasma. I really wish they'd figured out a solution.
I get it though. The edge cases will never be fixed until devs know what they are, and GNOME proved this is an effective way to find out.
majster
in reply to Peasley • • •Auth
in reply to ashx64 • • •Flipper
in reply to Auth • • •phoronix.com/forums/node/15949…
For anyone curious
Xotic56
in reply to Flipper • • •Vinapocalypse
in reply to ashx64 • • •rumba
in reply to Vinapocalypse • • •JTskulk
in reply to rumba • • •jumping redditor [they/them]
in reply to JTskulk • • •JTskulk
in reply to jumping redditor [they/them] • • •mavu
in reply to ashx64 • • •Wayland should have been the HotNewShit© that the crazy people use, and everything learned from that experiment should have become the ACTUAL next thing everyone uses.
Pushing wayland like it is now was a bad idea.
I would have loved to wait for it's successor, but "use LTS old versions or eat shit" is apparently acceptable now.
SnachBarr
in reply to ashx64 • • •Digit
in reply to ashx64 • • •yaslam0x1
in reply to ashx64 • • •I do like Wayland but it still has some issues that are annoying:
- When using remote input solutions (e.g InputLeap) you have to approve the input capture, and you need a mouse and keyboard connected to the PC to do that, making it kind of pointless.
This needs to get fixed ASAP in my opinion, since people do need these tools and sometimes you can't connect a mouse & kb to the PC to just approve the request.
ApertureUA
in reply to yaslam0x1 • • •inputgroup (set up in pretty much every distro), you can use uinput over netcat for forwarding devices (display server agnostic) without extra privileges. Same with thevideogroup. No idea if anyone used this in an actual remote desktop piece of software tho.kuneho
in reply to yaslam0x1 • • •Blaiz0r
in reply to kuneho • • •Have you tried out Deskflow?
InputLeap is effectively abandoned and the maintainer has taken over Deskflow which has better Wayland support
GitHub - deskflow/deskflow: Share a single keyboard and mouse between multiple computers.
GitHubkuneho
in reply to Blaiz0r • • •No, I haven't, but will check it out, thanks!
I didn't know InputLeap is also abandoned. Heck, I moved to it from Barrier for the same reason 😛
Blaiz0r
in reply to kuneho • • •NickeeCoco
in reply to ashx64 • • •arc99
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