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recently i just finished building a new pc. mostly for gaming since my only exposure to linux is steam os and i heard its uses arch with kde plasma so i try to emulate it as close as i can. however soon i realized how different it is and it requires more setup than i initially thought. i spent a whole day or two setting it up and i read now im responsible on maintaining it, what does it mean? is it just finding and testing drivers? or system update? what is the easiest way to do it? and what i getting myself into?
when i was about to install steam i found a tutorial on it with 3 - 4 pages full of text and was a bit overwhelmed, i decided just set it up using discover with flatpak, the problem is when i was about to find out how to do that i read mostly people really hate when you ask how to enable it in arch, is it really bad? should i just use konsole instead?
im not very tech savvy and at first I was really reluctant to use konsole but since i decided to use arch its inevitable that i have to use konsole and so far its not that bad, yet.
I'm just wondering for the long term, should i just change distro? or i should just powertrough arch and see where it goes.
thank you for your time.
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thank you for all the kind words, support and information everyone. i decided that i'll stick with arch until it breaks and ill see either i retry arch or try different linux flavors. i never feels so excited about os since i was messing around in win 2000
Try Linux Mint, Ubuntu, or Fedora. Any of these will be easier than Arch and offer point and click installation for steam, drivers, and just about anything else.
When you get some more experience, instead of arch you can try endeavourOS. it’s basically arch with good defaults and has a fantastic KDE implementation.
I recently tried Fedora for the first time last week... and was pleasantly surprised! Out of these 3, I feel like Fedora looks the nicest. Fedora Workstation's installer is a little nicer than Ubuntu's. I also think the update screen during reboot is a nice touch.
Yeah, I stuck with Fedora Gnome for at least a year. It had its limitations for me, so I’m currently on EndeavourOS with Hyprland, but Fedora will always have a place in my heart.
The specific set of baseline dot files I use as a template for my Hyprland setup don’t seem to play nicely with Fedora. I love Fedora, but some of my toys aren’t easily compatible with it.
im not sure if my machine will need that level of stuff for my usage nor my tech level that high to require something like that. so its nice to know that i will not lose much if i change distro with a more streamlined one.
after lots of input i decide to just play with arch until it breaks then switch to bazzite.
I almost always advise against atomic distros for noobs. They are extremely limiting, add multiple complications to otherwise simple tasks, and the padded cell of immutability means you can’t really fuck around and learn how traditional Linux systems work.
I’m usually distro agnostic and just happy to see people use whatever Linux they like, but immutables have issues.
Assuming you're referring to Fedora Atomic, your statement is extremely exaggerated. Out of the top of my head, the current limitations are iffy akmods and UKI/systemd-boot. The latter of which is being worked on currently and might arrive rather sooner than later. Neither of which I'd assume 95% of Linux users ever engage with anyways...
add multiple complications to otherwise simple tasks
I feel like you don't know what you're talking about. Please be explicit; which tasks are made more complicated on Fedora Atomic?
the padded cell of immutability means you can’t really fuck around and learn how traditional Linux systems work
It's true that you aren't supposed to "fuck" around (most of) /usr during runtime. Furthermore, I agree that the existing ways to circumvent/bypass this leave much to be desired. But, again, most peeps use perfectly fine systems without ever feeling the need to tinker with /usr... And if you absolutely must..., well..., Fedora Atomic doesn't actually stop you. It just wants you to adhere to its ways of achieving it. Making it more of a paradigm shift, rather than outright limiting the user.
If your criticism basically boils down to "I can't make use of my preconceived notion on how Linux works.", then "Yes."; that's exactly the point. Granted, it wouldn't hurt if Fedora Atomic allowed conventional methods to continue working. But as it's currently in the middle of a architectural shift (going from rpm-ostree to bootc), I'd argue they've got more important things to work on.
systemd-boot has a lot of uptake and is very simple for the UEFI path. We need to support it. One thing this deeply intersects with is ostreedev/ostree#2753 and ostreedev/ostree#1951 as well as #20...
I would say the greatest limitation would be repos and your ability to build whatever software you want from source. Having access to the AUR allows me access to much wider array of software. Can you run Hyprland and all of its companions like hyprlock, hyprpaper, etc on bazzite? That’s the setup I prefer, and I’m fairly certain it’s not possible in a Fedora based immutable system.
I don’t want or need guardrails to keep my system running correctly. If you do, or just enjoy the stability, cool. I’m just glad you’re not running windows. I don’t think bazzite is bad. I just don’t think it should be the go to for welcoming newcomers.
Thank you for the quick answer and for providing clarifications!
I would say the greatest limitation would be repos
What do you mean? What's wrong with Fedora's repos? Apologies if I sound obtuse*.
and your ability to build whatever software you want from source.
There's nothing preventing you from doing this within a container created by Toolbx/Distrobox. I can attest to this. You can even build it natively. While I haven't personally engaged in building it natively, I can't imagine it would cause any problems. But please correct me if your experience (or otherwise) is different.
Can you run Hyprland and all of its companions like hyprlock, hyprpaper, etc on bazzite? That’s the setup I prefer, and I’m fairly certain it’s not possible in a Fedora based immutable system.
Fam, break your leg. Nothing is stopping you; someone else has already done just that. And you can just piggy-back of their effort. In case you'd like to see other (successful) attempts at making Hyprland work on Fedora Atomic: consider taking a look at wayblue and hyprland-atomic.
~~Hehe 😛 . Please feel free to clarify what you meant with the repos being limiting (or something). I'm genuinely interested to know.~~ See Edit down below
I still think bazzite is the wrong suggestion for newcomers
It's your absolute prerogative to believe/think/state whatever you wish. However, I don't think you've yet made a convincingly compelling case. You absolutely don't have to, but if you've got more to say on the subject matter, then please do so for the sake of (potentially) enlightening others.
I don’t care if you like my opinion.
Good.., I suppose. Neither should you care anyways 😜.
Edit: I only now noticed that you had edited your previous post. My apologies.
Having access to the AUR allows me access to much wider array of software.
Agreed. I also occasionally access stuff from there through my dedicated Arch distrobox. I occasionally make use of my Ubuntu distrobox, or Alpine distrobox as well. Thanks to Distrobox (and similar technologies), it has become an absolutely glorious experience to not be limited by the distro's repos. Instead, I can make use of whatever repos are out there. Granted; Distrobox is not exclusive to Fedora Atomic, but you'd be hard-pressed to find another distro on which it works as well as it does on uBlue's offerings.
Universal Blue manufactures a diverse set of operating system images to provide the the reliability of a Chromebook, but with the flexibility and power of a traditional Linux desktop.
Honestly it sounds like you’ve mastered a completely new kind of operating system, based on Linux but evolving in its own direction, and there’s probably only a handful of people using it at that level. It’s pretty cool to learn more about, so I appreciate what you’ve had to say.
I already know and love traditional Linux and don’t see a compelling reason to change, and as I’ve repeated, I don’t think it’s the way to point a newcomer.
Honestly it sounds like you’ve mastered a completely new kind of operating system, based on Linux but evolving in its own direction
Thanks for the compliment 😅. I do think there's some truth in it being a new kind of Linux-based OS. But it's not as big of a departure like say NixOS. Heck, I'd argue it's grounded within a relatively basic premise: What's the minimal amount of effort required to make our current Linux systems attain desirable qualities like being reprovisionable and anti-hysteresis? The whole bootc-shebang is just leveraging existing container technologies (I'm sure you're familiar with Docker) to the Linux you run on your computer.
and there’s probably only a handful of people using it at that level.
If we would (perhaps arbitrarily) choose for "that level" to be "crazy enough to create and run their own image"^[As that's most likely my biggest Fedora Atomic achievement.], then it's true that our numbers are probably only in the order of hundreds. Though, the knowledge required to build your own image is (almost) equivalent to the knowledge one ought to have to create their own OCI image; you know, the very same used for Docker, the container technology that represents a billion dollar industry.
It’s pretty cool to learn more about, so I appreciate what you’ve had to say.
I appreciate it. I like conversing with you as well 😊!
I already know and love traditional Linux and don’t see a compelling reason to change
That's perfectly valid.
I don’t think it’s the way to point a newcomer.
Please allow me to explain why I differ on this:
The beginner has no preconceived notion on how Linux is 'supposed' to work. As such, they will adapt to whatever you throw at it. Be it Mint, Arch or Fedora Atomic. Heck, it's undeniable that out of these, Fedora Atomic works the closest like their phone. Which has undoubtedly become the most recognizable OS for your average Joe.
FYI, Fedora Silverblue was my foray into Linux. The first one or two weeks definitely gave me a hard time, but that was over three years ago. If I was able to survive in such a 'hostile' environment, then newcomers should have absolutely no trouble getting onboard with the introduction of Bazzite (and the other uBlue images).
This is going to be a longer blog entry, but here’s a TL;DR: I propose that instead of "immutable" or "read-only" when talking about operating systems (such as Fedora Core…
Honestly it sounds like you’ve mastered a completely new kind of operating system, based on Linux but evolving in its own direction, and there’s probably only a handful of people using it at that level. It’s pretty cool to learn more about, so I appreciate what you’ve had to say.
I already know and love traditional Linux and don’t see a compelling reason to change, and as I’ve repeated, I don’t think it’s the way to point a newcomer.
CachyOS has all of the gaming stuff (can be just point and click with their welcome popup/installer), is arch based so there's a ton of well made documentation.
I’ve been wanting to try Cachy, but my experience with Endeavour has been so good for so long that I’m not even feeling distro-hoppy. I admire Cachy from afar.
I used bazzite and I ran into the exact issues you described above. It worked, and it worked well, but anything extra that I wanted to do required jumping through a shit load of hoops and bouncing around between bazzite forums, fedora forums, and universal blue forums to maybe not even arrive at a reliable work around.
It was extremely valuable because I had to learn a lot, but it just wasn't nearly as seamless as cachy.
Bazzite will play steam games right off the rip and it will do it well, and is an easy install. Beyond that it can get harry if you're not just using flatpacks.
A lot of people will say "just use distrobox" if your solution to make something work in this OS is to download and use another OS, why wouldn't I just start there with the other OS?
Yeah, this is exactly the point I was trying to make. I want a system that is simple and straightforward, running primarily native packages and a small handful of flatpaks. I don’t want or need to emulate other distros because my own distro has its wings clipped.
This is what I ran into when I first decided to try a linux system desktop after ten years. I wasn't familiar with the new distros around these days, so decided to try Bazzite first. Immediately ran into a driver issue that was apparently not fixable until the (already released) fix made its way into their official repo or something.
Shelved that and gave CachyOS a try (made more sense anyway since I used arch in college and had a steam deck since day 1), and it's been my daily driver for 6 months now.
Increased flexibility and control, some things I like to do work better in an arch based system than a Fedora based system. One of my biggest reasons, is that the tiling window manager I use is better supported on Arch and makes use of many AUR packages. Using the AUR and building from source can be risky if you don’t know what you’re doing.
That fact that you don’t know what any of this means is why you should start with a more beginner friendly distro. You’ll learn, and as your knowledge grows you’ll have a much clearer understanding of your needs in a distro.
Imagine it’s like racing. If you start in a GT3 car pushing 900 horsepower as a beginner you’ll probably die. Which is why most start with karting or racing Miatas. Keep it simple and build your skill set and knowledge as you go.
Im definitely going to start beginner friendly. I'm just trying to get a handle on what the differences tangiby mean ahead of it. Every explanation i find seems to be. "You do more, you can customize more, it's more powerful, or only losers dont use the hardest thing possible". Ok, the last one was a joke, kind of.
The biggest difference? Arch forces you to the terminal more. The easier distros come pre packaged with GUI tools for things like graphics driver selection, adding and removing repositories, installing and removing software, etc.
Vanilla arch doesn’t come with any of that. EndeavourOS, the more fleshed out Arch based distro I use doesn’t either. You could use Mint, Ubuntu, Pop, or Fedora, without ever needing to see the command line. You CAN use it, and should from time to time to start learning, but Arch throws you right into the deep end of the pool of using the command line for almost everything you do.
Some of these people will likely try to say “well actually there are GUI frontends for pacman” or whatever, it’s not the same as using Mint where graphical tools that are easy to use are baked into the system.
Save your important files on a separate drive, install your new beginner friendly OS of choice, and don’t be afraid to break it. A reinstall from a USB stick takes like 15 minutes, and with your important files stored separately you don’t have to think twice about wiping the system and starting over.
OP should follow their chosen path and we should commend them for their efforts and support their choices rather than tell them they did it wrong and start over according to our opinions.
Mint or fedora. Skip Ubuntu. Updates break things too much. If you got mint I'd recommend LMDE over Ubuntu mint. For the same reason so long as your not on brand new hardware. Mint is honestly the easiest way to go. Fedora being second. Bazzite if you want to have a steam OS like experience.
Mint is a fine distro, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone that wants to do gaming right now either. None of the first class DEs are running on Wayland yet, which means that most monitor features of the last decade are not at all or badly supported.
I'd argue that beyond surface-level stuff, the Debian-based distros have a steeper learning curve. PPA's, packages with versions in the name of the package, .debs that don't update with the rest of the system, the list goes on. No shade to anyone who is happy with Ubuntu or Mint, but I too started on Ubuntu and didn't find it intuitive enough to stick around. OP is talking about avoiding the terminal, "just use Debian" is not even a solution to that.
I think openSUSE is also a good option for newbies, either the Leap (stable release) or Tumbleweed (rolling release) variants. One nice thing openSUSE does for newbies and why I have been using it in the process of moving away from Windows is that it comes out of the box with automatic system snapshots enabled so that if you break anything it's relatively simple to roll back to a working config.
I don't think YaST is really required and they're apparently moving away from it. I've barely used it myself, but I hear it's one of the things many people like about openSUSE.
Tech savvy enough. I do my damnedest to find a YT tutorial or forum post before I throw the towel in and make a help request somewhere. Like I literally will go hours before I finally concede and realize I can't do something myself, and I act like my honor is forever lost whenever I go to Fedora forums in defeat. There are many out there who won't even do that at the bare minimum, so you're doing great. We're doing great.
I don't know exactly what u are talking about steam cause it just sudo pacman -Syu steam and that it .everything else if u have modern nvidia then do sudo pacman -Syu nvidia-dkms if amd setup then u will no need anything else .In the end as for beginner try CachyOS if u the most close experience to vanilla arch .this guys just do some performance tweaks while staying maximum vanilla as possible about arch linux
As a completely new user who’s self-described as “not very tech savvy”, Arch is probably a terrible idea, and you should switch distros.
I really like Debian, but something like Linux Mint or Fedora might be wiser for you; all three hold your hand more, which would be very important in your case. Fedora and Debian specifically are designed to work well with KDE, although Fedora will have newer versions.
You certainly seem willing to learn (you got through the Arch install process), and I think you still have a great opportunity to enjoy Linux, but considering you’re calling the terminal emulator “Konsole”, your self-description is probably apt. FYI Konsole is just one application to access the terminal, kind of like how Firefox and Chrome are both web browsers, but you don’t use “Chrome” to refer to web browsers.
Go with Bazzite, it tries to mimic SteamOS out of the box. Very easy install/setup process (easier than windows).
Bazzite is Fedora Kinoite with some extra stuff, Kinoite might be better for a desktop setup but either one is totally useable for gaming and desktop so don't overthink it.
i found a tutorial on it with 3 - 4 pages full of text and was a bit overwhelmed
I don't think this attitude is helpful for conquering Arch, but YMMV.
recently i just finished building a new pc. mostly for gaming since my only exposure to linux is steam os and i heard its uses arch with kde plasma so i try to emulate it as close as i can.
FWIW, if you just want to emulate SteamOS, perhaps consider Bazzite instead. It's not based on Arch, but it arguably is the closest to SteamOS (but better). More so than any Arch-based distro*.
after looking at it more i realized its more of a wiki than a tutorial. my initial thought is if i use pacman to install steam i had to find and get the dependencies by myself so thats why i went with flatpak route.
few people recommend bazzite too. ill try to give it a look
Luckily, Linux has evolved in the past 30 years. A package manager (one usually comes with your system, like apt, dnf, pacman) will handle almost all direct dependencies for you. When installing Steam, you may be asked which 32-bit Vulkan library you want to install, but aside from that it should get everything automatically. (Hint: vulkan-radeon on AMD, otherwise pick the one for your GPU brand)
Managing and "maintaining" (updating, sometimes cleaning) an Arch Linux installation is definitely more involved than what you are used to on Windows or the Steam Deck. Some people prefer this workflow, as it offers more control over their system. Others prefer an already set up and maintained environment.
Bazzite is a very SteamOS-like experience. You click update once in a while, and shouldn't have to touch anything else internal to the system. You get Steam and Flatpaks out of the box.
Since Linux gives everyone the freedom to do things the way they want, there will always be people shitting on a specific way to do things. There are definitely good reasons to dislike certain software, but generally you should be just fine. Just because someone thinks their way of doing things is better doesn't mean you should immediately switch to that.
That being said, the main downside of Steam in a flatpak is the sandboxing possibly getting in the way of modding your games, or games that use unique hardware (like steering wheels or so). steam (pacman package) does not have those specific issues, but it lacks sandboxing (aside from Steam's pressure vessel for games).
You can continue with Arch if you want, and there's certainly good resources to learn (like the wiki) or get help (like the IRC or Matrix rooms). It will require you to learn about how to actually set up and configure your Linux installation the way you prefer. Other distros (usually marketed as "user friendly"), like Fedora, Bazzite, Mint, will automatically perform or set up some of the maintenance you'd have to do manually on Arch.
Regarding installing Steam as a flatpak, as you've already noted^[Though I'm not 100% sure if the pain points you explicitly mentioned don't have any ways/means to bypass/circumvent them.], it ain't ideal. That's why AFAIK all "gaming distros" (including Bazzite) install Steam natively.
thank you for the insight. glad that its not as hard as people used to do back in the day. i hope wont break it sooner than i hoped so im going to stick with arch for a bit. honestly its been a pretty fun experience so far.
Perhaps it may not be a bad idea to dual boot Arch and SteamOS or BazziteOS until you get the hang of Arch. While Arch is a very flexible system, accidents happen, and it'd be a shame to lose game progress due to system breakage.
And fyi, Konsole is simply a terminal application for your command line. Personally I don't really mess with flatpaks, and I suggest getting familiar with pacman (Arch's package manager) and the AUR.
when i was about to install steam i found a tutorial on it with 3 - 4 pages full of text and was a bit overwhelmed
Here is my tutorial:
enable multilib repo by editing pacman config
sudo pacman -Syu steam
It's as easy as that. Thats how I run it.
and i read now im responsible on maintaining it, what does it mean? is it just finding and testing drivers? or system update? what is the easiest way to do it? and what i getting myself into?
When I started my Linux journey, I went with Ubuntu and kept breaking it every year for a couple of years, which taught me a lot. Then eventually I hopped to Arch and I've been running the same setup since. For over 6 years now. I am very lazy, so I don't do anythjng special unless it breaks.
My setup has automatic btrfs snapshots and manual offsite backups with borg.
My workflow is:
every friday evening after work, I do an update and reboot.
If everything works, I do a borg backup. Most update fridays are like this and end here.
If it's broken (this year it's been 2 times so far, last year iirc 3 times) I read the journal log, find the cause, fix it by live booting an arch usb stick and chrooting into mt system and following the archlinux forum or reddit or news. (For example recently, there was a kernel bug with btrfs, someone on reddit posted a mailing list link with a command that solved it)
Sometimes there is an issue with an app I have, especially if it's from the AUR. Often a reinstall fixes it, otherwise I fix the PKGBUILD and let the maintainer know what was broken.
After it is broken, I go through all the .pacnew files and merge them (The wiki says you should do it after every update, but I'm lazy)
After I fixed it, I do a borg backup.
If it takes too long to fix or I am especially lazy, I restore a btrfs snapshot and try next week. Usually the issue is resolved by then or somebody solved it on reddit.
So yeah it's quite involved, but I got better at it with time and again, most of the time everything just works and I can enjoy weekly improvements or new features to play with.
I am a bit on the fence which advice to give you. Either keep it and run with it for a while longer or install a simpler gaming focused distro. It's up tp you really.
thank you for telling me your workflow. with bit of time i think i can follow your workflow as its quite simple (at least sound like it)
Here is my tutorial:
enable multilib repo by editing pacman config
sudo pacman -Syu steam
It's as easy as that. Thats how I run it.
yeah, about that. it seems i mixed wiki as tutorial and was but intimidated when i saw how to do manual terminal config for controller setup, graphic driver, and other stuffs. in my mind that just getting the base app is not enough, you need to find the specific perquisite and getting them one by one.
i decided that ill keep playing with arch until it breaks then ill see if i want to give it another go or try bazzite. i love tinkering but software tinker is a bit out of my depth
You're not screwed. Depends on how much you enjoy tinkering and troubleshooting.
My main advice would be to keep your data backed up and completely disconnected from the PC. And make sure your machine is not critical (i.e. for working from home or something). Other than that you do what you want. If you want to dive deep in Arch then that's fine.
One thing to know is that the important part relevant to you is: the desktop environment (KDE) and the Linux distro (Arch) are different things. The far more important thing for you is to have KDE.... the distro underneath just needs to not get in the way.
If you've got Arch up and running then stick with it until it gives you trouble. I naturally ended up distro hopping in the beginning because I would catastrophically break something I couldn't repair and could change distros naturally when reinstalling.
Good options for easy distros with KDE would be:
Tuxedo OS (or Kubuntu) - easiest and there's lots of support online.
Fredora - rock solid and highly recommend. Although I would recommend OpenSUSE Tumbleweed instead, this got me hooked on Linux and was the least problematic for a bleeding edge updated distro, where I happily used Discover for installing and updating.
this pc is mostly for gaming and entertainment so not much is lost if its wiped or broke.
i do love tinkering, just that software tinker is a bit out of my depth
thank you for your input. after a lot of other input and consideration i'll keep playing with arch until it broke then ill decide later if i want to retry it or go with bazzite. or maybe see other enticing distro too. there is so much..
Arch is nothing like SteamOS. If you want a SteamOS like experience you should pick Bazzite. However since you're on arch you may as well stay until you break it. Backup the things you think are important. Use the archwiki as your first step for problem solving. Since you're new to linux you probably shouldnt go to the arch forums.
thank you for the input, i decided that ill keep using arch until it break then ill switch to bazzite. its mostly for gaming so i dont mind if i lose data in that pc
recently i just finished building a new pc. mostly for gaming since my only exposure to linux is steam os and i heard its uses arch with kde plasma so i try to emulate it as close as i can. however soon i realized how different it is and it requires more setup than i initially thought.
It sounds like you're thinking of Arch + KDE as similar to building a PC, where if you get the same parts you can hook them up for the same experience.
I think their team chose Arch to build their distro off of because it's very customizable and made it easy for them to add their configurations, interface layers, hardware optimizations etc. That doesn't make it the best choice for a beginner unless you want to be thrown into the deep end and spend some time to learn a bunch.
IMO you should look into something like Bazzite or some other atomic Fedora, or OpenSuse, so that you can have a running operating system you can game on. Then you can spend some time learning about Linux with the functioning PC. There are ways to run other Linux distros inside your main one if you want to play with them and learn about them.
Unless you have another machine to use day to day, I find it annoying to be learning with the same machine I need for other things.
It sounds like you're thinking of Arch + KDE as similar to building a PC, where if you get the same parts you can hook them up for the same experience.
yeah you nailed it.
i think ill keep learning arch and see how far i got, when it inevitably break ill choose later if i want to retry it or just go with bazzite, its a mostly pc for gaming so there isnt much important stuff in it
I think you're better off with CachyOS than Bazzite to be honest. It's Arch-based, comes with an installer with KDE Plasma as default and on top of that is optimized for performance and geared towards gaming.
The only reason people are recommending Bazzite is because CachyOS is only a year old, while Bazzite is two years old, unless someone can prove me otherwise. In any case Bazzite is RHEL-based, so it won't have the AUR or pacman, which are the two things that set Arch-based Operating Systems apart from the rest of the pack. AUR and pacman are superior to all other repositories and package managers.
Bazzite is based on Fedora Atomic. FYI, Fedora is not based on RHEL. Quite the opposite, actually, as Fedora is "upstream" of RHEL.
it won't have the AUR or pacman, which are the two things that set Arch-based Operating Systems apart from the rest of the pack.
Come out of your cave, fam. Distrobox has been out for years now. And, with it, everyone has access to every other repo (including the AUR). We've finally evolved.
CachyOS has been installable (at least) as early as November of 2021. Its GitHub page is even older, going as far back as October of 2021. Bazzite, on the other hand, is at least a year younger as it dates back to December of 2022.
Thank you for that info, but then why are so many advising Bazzite instead of CachyOS? CachyOS is Arch-based, Bazzite is not.
Bazzite is based on Fedora Atomic. FYI, Fedora is not based on RHEL. Quite the opposite, actually, as Fedora is “upstream” of RHEL.
And thank you for that info. So Red Hat decided to put Fedora in front and put RHEL in the back? Red Hat used to be the base OS of Fedora, no?
Come out of your cave, fam. Distrobox has been out for years now. And, with it, everyone has access to every other repo (including the AUR). We’ve finally evolved.
Again, thank you for that info.
But I don't think any container app would diversify distros or make Fedora distros more popular. In fact, it probably will lead to AUR-based distros becoming even more popular, because one will have access to all the other smaller repos, as AUR becomes the standard.
Thank you for the kind words, fam. Much appreciated 😊!
why are so many advising Bazzite instead of CachyOS?
Assuming you're referring to why so many others recommended Bazzite to OP instead of CachyOS. I believe it stems from the following line of OP:
mostly for gaming since my only exposure to linux is steam os and i heard its uses arch with kde plasma so i try to emulate it as close as i can.
And even if the following is true:
CachyOS is Arch-based, Bazzite is not.
It's simply undeniable that Bazzite is closer to SteamOS compared CachyOS, by virtue of how it -just like SteamOS- doesn't deliver the traditional model of desktop Linux but instead goes all-in on a new paradigm. A simple example to point this out would be how both SteamOS and Bazzite default to automatic updates: - SteamOS; github.com/ValveSoftware/Steam… - Bazzite; docs.bazzite.gg/Installing_and…
But I don't think any container app would diversify distros
Sorry, I didn't quite get this. Do you mean that "container app"s will not succeed in decentralizing efforts and instead have the opposite effect?
or make Fedora distros more popular.
Perhaps you misunderstood me, but to be clear: Distrobox is basically available on every distro out there. So it's not a Fedora-thing to begin with. (Though, it has to be said that I've yet to see it being better utilized/integrated than uBlue's images.)
In fact, it probably will lead to AUR-based distros becoming even more popular, because one will have access to all the other smaller repos, as AUR becomes the standard.
Hmm..., I don't quite understand why you think like that. There's a lot that goes into making distros unique and deserving of their existence. Strictly limiting their appeal to the size of their respective (user) repos is honestly a disservice to the grandiose effort put out by our respected F(L)OSS developers.
It would be nice to have a toggle to disable automatic updates for system and games. I use main branch on my steam deck and I have data limits on my home Wi-Fi and I currently cannot update manuall...
It seems that RHEL has been based on Fedora for over twenty years now 😅.
I only used Fedora in college on shared college computers and that was over twenty years ago. It was brand new back then as they switched over from Solaris. I was under the impression back then that Fedora was a Red Hat Linux derative like Ubuntu was of Debian, Ubuntu being the OS I was using at that time and the Linux Distro Timeline implies as such, however...
perhaps it was based on RHEL once upon a time, but it hasn’t been for a long time. Regardless, documentation on this event seems to be relatively sparse. As such, I wasn’t able to arrive at a definitive conclusion. Please feel free to complete my ‘research’ 😜!
Businesses weren't too keen about Red Hat's six month release cycle, as the short time interpolation was too disruptive for them. Red Hat then decided to have a seperate OS with a long-term support cycle and call that Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). At the same time, users were demanding a 'Red Hat Community Edition', so Fedora came into existance and that was then used as an upstream source for RHEL.
Sorry, I didn’t quite get this. Do you mean that “container app”s will not succeed in decentralizing efforts and instead have the opposite effect?
Yes. It'll make some OSes more pointless. People will try out the distro in the distrobox, get what they need out of it and not bother installing it or jump ship to the better one.
Perhaps you misunderstood me, but to be clear: Distrobox is basically available on every distro out there.
No, it's clear.
Hmm…, I don’t quite understand why you think like that. There’s a lot that goes into making distros unique and deserving of their existence. Strictly limiting their appeal to the size of their respective (user) repos is honestly a disservice to the grandiose effort put out by our respected F(L)OSS developers.
It's a defining feature for me. I had to jump off Ubuntu and Parabola for this reason. For Ubuntu I needed the latest version of some package and for Parabola it was certain packages that were non-free. Distrobox did not exist back then.
NixOS sounds very interesting, but the moment I tried to install the distro- package manager I noticed aws packages and I have an aversion of anything remotely Amazon. Guix peaks my interest even more now that you've mentioned Distrobox.
I'm guessing the reasons Valve chose Arch are mostly related to ability to build and maintain a distro based on it. On SteamOS, Valve is responsible for the system working. On plain Arch, a lot of that is on you.
So maybe stay if you want to take the challenge and learn. You already installed it so thet's something. Or switch to a normal distro if you'd rather not bother.
For flatpak, it's a package format for distributing "apps", that works on about any distro out there. Most of the time it's fine, but steam is an exception. Don't use flatpak steam, the sandboxing breaks it.
i knew a fair amount about linux cli since ive used ubuntu and debian for servers for like 15 years so i was someone knowledgeable but when i decided to wipe away windows on my desktops i picked linuz mint because it was ubuntu based but also it was recommended for beginners. for the most part it works great, i can use steam and heroic. i cant get warcraft classic working but i just need to dig in more.
the one problem i had was when i first started and it wouldnt boot up but i just command line restored using timeshift and it fixed it and i havent had a problem since.
i havent once had issues with drivers or anything. i even installed it on an old computer for my dads church who mostly use it for powerpoint (now libreoffice) and projecting. they know nothing about computers and theyve been fine. i do want to enable auto updates for them though so they dont have to do that.
Just keep your system up to date (update packages weekly maybe) and you will be fine. The system mostly manages itself.
I recommend installing both the current kernel and an LTS kernel. If you ever have a problem with a driver or a filesystem or something after an update, just boot into LTS and you are back up and running.
You haven't provided a lot of detail on what your current setup looks like. If you use a gaming-focused distro like Cachy or Bazzite they should essentially work "out of the box." Bazzite is also very difficult to break since the immutability makes for very effective guard rails for new users.
If you went with Arch right off the bat, you did take on quite a lot for a new user, but - and I do genuinely mean this - there is no better way to learn the ins and outs of Linux than jumping into the Arch deep end. Even if you choose to switch to a lower-maintenance distro, your effort with Arch is never wasted.
Want a very low maintenance gaming distro with almost no setup? Bazzite. Want a more hands-on gaming centric distro like SteamOS? CachyOS. Want a more stable all-around distro that also works great for gaming? Fedora.
Avoid Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu. You will see Mint recommended often, but I personally only recommend it for older hardware that you are trying to revitalize. There are better options.
A new version of Debian just released, and there is no more rock solid distro than Debian. Add KDE Plasma and you will have a very low maintenance, pleasantly familiar, extremely reliable system.
First, I would like to give you some major props. Installing Arch, in itself, is a big deal. It is not a beginner-friendly distro. It is a very power-user friendly distro and has an incredible wiki that is helpful, at least to some degree, for many distros.
For a beginner distro, I would recommend Linux Mint for its easy transition and great focus on user experiences or Bazzite if you really want to install and get gaming.
When taking drivers in Linux, most are provided as either kernel modules (integrated into the kernel, so you don't have to worry about installing anything) or packaged for the distro, in which case, once installed via package manager, they'll auto-update whenever you update system packages. They are so much easier to deal with than Windows drivers (for the end user). For example, to use a Wacom drawing tablet, all one has to do is plug it in.
Arch has a bit of a steeper learning curve. Ubuntu is probably the most "mainstream", but I prefer Mint (based on Ubuntu) for some user-friendly changes. PopOS (already based on Ubuntu) is also supposed to be a bit more gaming centric if you've got an Nvidia card.
I've got an AMD kit in my main machine and Nvidia/Intel in my laptop and both work fine with most Steam games using Proton.
Arch is very high-maintenance. Try Debian 13, it just came out this week. Ubuntu is okay but it has a lot of crapware compared to Debian. If your Wi-Fi and GPU work on Debian you do not need Ubuntu.
I'm an experienced Linux desktop user of about 15 years and I switched from Arch to Debian and I don't miss Arch. If you need bleeding-edge software you can use a combo of Nix, language package managers, and building from source. Arch doesn't add much plus I frequently ran the wrong pacman command and soft-locked myself out of the OS. Debian doesn't do that to me.
I admire your energetic here. I only installed the latest ubuntu (cause of latest gpu driver updates) then I installed steam from software center and it works nothing to do anymore.
Uninstall Arch and install Linux Mint. Give yourself that gift. It'd still be easier than installing Arch Linux, and you'll be way more comfortable most of the time in the long term. It's not that you can't use Arch, but their approach is not beginner-friendly.
Arch Linux's whole claim to fame is Some Assembly Required. Go with something like Mint or Fedora (the latter of which is available with the KDE desktop, source: am typing this on a gaming computer running Fedora KDE) and they're much more complete out of the box.
Welcome to Linux where you maintain your own os.. You are literally the owner of this ship you want to destroy your system to ahead you want to do whatever cause windows pissed you off go ahead.. evening can be fixed usually.. try all the distros till you like some and use those.
How does it feel to be in control and not have to listen to the Man ?
Once your computer's working to your satisfaction, pretty much all you'll need to do is alias sudo packman -Syu and try to remember to run that every so often. The arch Linux wiki is second to none, and if you stick with the distro you should find it all feels very familiar in no time.
cachyos, post install click install gaming packages, in steam goto compotability switch it to proton cachyos, done, there is no struggle, it grabs heroic and lutris too for non steam stuff
Highly recommend this for you OP. This would be the easiest course of action. Do you have to use Konsole, yes but for a few commands and once done you can do everything you need via GUI and not have to touch shell again for daily operations.
Catchy have a very powerful script that attaches all their pacman.conf (list of places where arch will look for it's software)
thank you for the kind recommendation, ill give it a look. im ankle deep in arch now. ill see where it goes and when it broke ill try different distros.
The only tweaking I've ever needed to do was for Helldivers 2. I had to swap from cachy's proton to the actual proton which was literally just a menu in Steam. (Multiplayer wouldn't work otherwise. Everything else was fine.)
If you're willing to learn Arch it really isn't that difficult. I wouldn't reccommend it to a noob but seeing as you're already using it why not give it a try? I wouldn't reccommend the Steam flatpak as Valve reccommends against it and it doesn't work as well. Feel free to DM for advice from someone who uses it daily.
I second this. The initial setup is the hard part. Give it a couple days. The arch wiki is the best resource in the whole Linux ecosystem in my opinion. If that's the long manual you were looking at for installing steam, know that 90% of it is info on strange edge cases and all a typical user will need to do is sudo pacman -Syu then sudo pacman -S steam (I forgot you have to enable the multilib repository if you haven't already. You seem smart, you'll find the info in the wiki)
A couple times a year or so something will break after an update. When that happens 1. Google if anyone else has posted your exact problem 2. See if chatgpt knows anything 3. Humbly post in the arch user forum
i see. thank you for the info. i dont exactly remember if i have enabled multilib, it does sound familiar. maybe i alr enabled it when i tried a bunch of random things..
thank you for the kind offer. ill try to use arch as long as possible. i hope i am a fast learner because I'm a bit lazy to setup a new distro and reconfig everything again
Try bazzite if you are willing to learn, otherwise just pick Zorin OS or Linux Mint and you will be fine (You will just have to learn the basics of how linux works, but nothing too complex as arch linux)
If you're using an Nvidia card, the easiest way into Linux for gaming (in my opinion) is Bazzite, as aguasemgas mentioned.
Otherwise, any distro will do. I prefer Fedora Workstation, which is what I use for work (as do my wife and kids) but use Bazzite in my laptop because it's a System76 Gazelle with a 3050TI,and I don't like the current status of PopOS. All my games run great, and everything else is a FlatPak, so not much need to tweak anything really.
and i read now im responsible on maintaining it, what does it mean? is it just finding and testing drivers? or system update? what is the easiest way to do it? and what i getting myself into?
Where did you see this? What was the context? I ask because you could say the same thing about any PC you own. It's not like Microsoft is gonna answer your distress call if Windows breaks unless you're paying for support.
Is Arch Linux a stable distribution? Will I get frequent breakage?
It is the user who is ultimately responsible for the stability of their own rolling release system. The user decides when to upgrade, and merges necessary changes when required. If the user reaches out to the community, help is often provided in a timely manner. The difference between Arch and other distributions in this regard is that Arch is truly a 'do-it-yourself' distribution; complaints of breakage are misguided and unproductive, since upstream changes are not the responsibility of Arch devs.
It does not explicitly say "maintain" but it has a similar vibe to it.
truthfully? memes. i always saw people memeing on how small thing can break linux and how barebones it is and after using the actual arch it just dawned on me.
i read now im responsible on maintaining it, what does it mean?
sudo pacman -Syu - do this about once every couple of days to make sure your packages are up-to-date i can't think of anything else i have to do as part of maintaining my system outside of backups
You’re going to break things. Then you’ll fix things. Then your break them again. Then you’ll realize there was an easier way to fix that last issue. It’s a fun learning experience.
Hey guys, I’ve got an issue where it’s driving me absolutely bonkers. I got a fitgirl Sims 4 repack, and it crashes without showing anything in the logs by itself. I install the game using wine, and launch it via Steam using all sorts of proton. Now I’ve downloaded the latest version, and the installer won’t even budge past 0.0%. Questions:
Any way to get a detailed log, in order to understand what is going wrong?
Anyone have any experience with this?
Hardware: NVIDIA 2060, Ryzen 5600x. I tried it on PopOS first, and then tried it on nobara just in case the issue was because of an old kernel. It didn’t help.
FitGirl often repacks DODI and other repacks to make them smaller. I've heard people having trouble with FitGirl repacks often have a better time with the DODI ones.
Check the site to see which source was used to make the repack and try downloading the source one instead if that's an option. Might solve the issue.
The ONLY official site for FitGirl Repacks. Every single FG repack installer has a link inside, which leads here. Do not fall for fake and scam sites, which are using my name.
I’ve had similar experiences recently with the game, tried Anadius repack instead and the result was the same, ended up finding the sims 4 updater, which solved all my issues.
Never downloading a full repack again, just use the sims 4 updater.
Sims 4 is free, and there's a DLC unlocker that lets you get all the DLCs in your legit copy. You might have better success installing the EA app in Proton/wine, logging in a throwaway account, and then installing the official base game.
I also recommend Lutris instead of Steam for non-Steam games, I've found it easier to work with and it can also automatically add links back to Steam if you like having all your game in one place.
ok, let's say I want to make an image post. I click "image" and it lets me choose a file to upload, cool.
But what if I want to also have an image in the Body of the post. (i.e. where this text here is...) I see the lil' "image" icon there, but if I click it, it just adds a link to a URL for me to fill out. I cannot choose a file to upload. Is there some way to choose a file to upload so it'll go in the Body of the post?
This may be an unusual use, but I would like to insert an image into the body of the post as well.
Now it is a bit inconvenient because you can only embed images uploaded externally.
Hola, Sergio! Pardon the late reply, but have you tried PixelFed yet as a stable, long-ish lasting image-hosting source? So far people in the FV seem to speak well of it.
I'm still using Imgur for images in the body of my posts (like a borderline dumbass), and plan to switch over soon to PixelFed.
Midori is in a bit of a bind. She is in debt, and her landlady is trying to shake her down for unpaid rent. Her best friend refuses to loan her cash since she's wised up to her tricks. Maybe some bullying would help.
Come nel romanzo epico delle Isole scritto da Michener nel ’59, la capostipite raggiunse le pendici del Mauna Kea hawaiano armata dei suoi metodi, le sue prerogative, nient’altro che le ottime speranze possedute da un semplice seme.
protonfixes proton script import location moved to beginning of the protron script, should fix a bug with dll overrides not working properly (it was affecting things such as winetricks dotnet installs)
protonfixes added for EGS and standalone versions of guild wars 2 (thanks tvgold42)
protonfix added for EGS version of MudRunner (thanks loathingKernel)
Fixed videos having wrong audio language in Back 4 Blood
Fixed Devil May Cry HD collection wmv playback not working when proton wine compiled with ffmpeg
Fixed video playback in Injustice 2
Possibl...
Maybe this will help with my problem. I finally made the switch, and so far only one niche piece of software won't open no matter what I've tried. Every proton, proton tricks, lutris, bottles, Ubuntu based, fedora based, arch based. Nothing seems to matrer, and the only thing I can think of is trouble with dotnet. Anyways, glad to see an update!
An article about a tweet. Great, so we don't get any actual details like how many false positives it generated that the human assistant had to sift through and discard before it happened to stumble on a real issue.
I mean it's 20 vectors of attack that are no longer present. Seems like a good thing from security perspective. Even a single vulnerability can be catastrophic. forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2…
In the last week, we’ve had no less than three different pieces asking whether the massive proliferation of data centers is a massive bubble, and though they, at times, seem to take the default position of AI’s inevitable value, they’ve begun to sour…
I have been able to run games whether it was Steam, GOG, or itch and now I can't get shit to run. I don't have the worst rig. I was playing Fo4, and now suddenly I can't. I switched from a shitty Windows to Garuda. That was working wonderful, until I suddenly couldn't get it to work no matter what Proton version. Then I switched to Ubuntu, same issue. Then Cachy, then back to Ubuntu, and now back at it again with Garuda. Still. The. Same. Fucking. Problem. I have scoured the net for answers and fixes to no avail and I feel like driving into traffic. I cannot get any Proton version to run ANY GAME at this point, not just the more intensive ones. What the fuck do I do? Here are some specs:
Processor: 8 x Intel Core i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40Ghz
Mem: 32 GiB RAM
Graphics Processor: Quadro K620
Dell Optiplex 990 (7010 housing)
245GB SSD, with additional 500GB HDD and 4TB external drive
I have been able to seamlessly play all kinds of games for months, and then it just up and doesn't let me anymore. I haven't done anything to tweak shit out of whack. No matter how many clean installs and following instructions otherwise, this shit feels BROKEN and I'm LOSING IT. Someone help me please.
-Little extra info, I always skip the Vulkan shaders bullshit and it was fine before. Sometimes it'd load with the "Downloading Windows (somethingsomething), but I don't get that anymore, and as soon as I skip the thing crashes before any launchers of sorts can load so I can mess with configuration with the little GUI bullshit before total launch.
UPDATE:
I have switched to Bazzite and have set my external drive to ext4. Shit seems to work seamlessly now. Thank you all very much.
I switched from a shitty Windows to Garuda. That was working wonderful, until I suddenly couldn't get it to work no matter what Proton version. Then I switched to Ubuntu, same issue. Then Cachy, then back to Ubuntu, and now back at it again with Garuda.
While I'm in the camp that one shouldn't distro-hop in hopes of fixing their problems, you seem to be keen on it. And that's ultimately your prerogative. With that in mind, have you considered trying something based on Fedora instead? Perhaps Bazzite is able to offer you a fix?
Normally I wouldn't hop, I like my Arch distros. I just was trying to see if it was a hardware or software issue and just did it a weird way. I will check out Bazzite when I get access again, I'm otherwise AFK.
win, proton and the bunch, are magic to me, but when something just up and breaks it's usually an update. Try reading logs see what's missing or throwing errors, and try downgrading. That's how I usually debug at least. After you know what's what you can search for an alternative that's up-to-date.
Sounds like you are trying to use the "force compatibility" option inside of Steam? I switched out to Linux a few weeks ago. Installed Steam, initially thought I had to tell it what version of Proton to use for each game. Found that I was better off ignoring it, not using any forced compatibility option, and let Steam figure it out. My games run with very few issues that way. I just make sure I have the latest nvidia drivers, which it appears you do. Hope you get it running.
Not to be that guy, but isn't that CPU and GPU kinda ancient in PC hardware terms. About the same generation as my first PC at 13, and I've been out of school for over a decade. I'm surprised you got FO4 to run at all.
For steam, shutdown it and start it from terminal to see logs from steam and games on screen. Then start the game that doesn't want to start and paste those logs. Because 99% of time clue for the reason why its failing is in the log.
You dont need to use this method to get the logs maybe there is a simpler one foe your setup, like look for those logs in journal or any other place but thats how I did investigate why some steam game didn't start. But I did have native steam, not flatpak one. For flatpak you might need some flatpak run something.something command, it should log a lot of text, if not then maybe need some --params to not go into background.
Overall this method works for most stuff, logs are the holy grail of any app when debugging and (almost if not) all linux run app does output those 😀
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US is expanding its foothold in the Zangezur Corridor as a direct provocation against Russia, China, and Iran in a move that will prove detrimental to the security of South Caucasus.
US is expanding its foothold in the Zangezur Corridor as a direct provocation against Russia, China, and Iran in a move that will prove detrimental to the security of South Caucasus.
On Monday, 46 central and southern departments in France will be placed under an orange heatwave alert, accounting for more than half of mainland France.
In any case, Microsoft is so deeply entrenched in state digital infrastructure that it seems a practical impossibility to do anything about it. The company has a good 20 years' lead on its competition in bending the ears and getting its feet under the desktops of enterprise and state decision makers. While the UK government has had spasms of promoting open source — most recently in 2017 — these have seen little enthusiasm and less adoption. As SODGR notes, UK state IT lacks co-ordination, leadership, funding, talent and executive influence. 55 percent of personnel budget goes on outside contractors, analysts and consultants rather than full-time staff…
This might seem hyperbole, but the facts are indisputable. The US is not trustworthy - Trump's tariffs break existing World Trade Organization-governed treaties, a cornerstone of international regulation. Likewise, Trump supports the removal of regulatory or legal barriers to AI development, so what would happen if the AI lobby asked for access to national data from outside the US? SODGR is silent on this, because it seemed fantastical even six months ago. It doesn't seem fantastical now.
Some would say perhaps GWB or RWR are to blame. Some would say the decline was already in effect long before either of them became president. Some might remember when people were talking about a "soft landing" during the Obama years.
Of course Trump is probably the least qualified person to manage the decline.
It really illustrates how the decline is self reinforcing in nature. As material conditions get worse, people become more disillusioned, opening the door to opportunists like Trump, who in turn accelerate the whole process.
Al Jazeera journalist Anas al-Sharif has been killed alongside four colleagues in a targeted Israeli attack on a tent housing journalists in Gaza City.
Seven people were killed in the attack on the tent located outside the main gate of Gaza City’s al-Shifa Hospital late on Sunday evening, including Al Jazeera correspondent Mohammed Qreiqeh and camera operators Ibrahim Zaher, Mohammed Noufal and Moamen Aliwa.
Maybe Israel wants to control the narrative and Gaza's journalists are getting in the way.
Maybe they want revenge on Palestinians for daring to risist. Same reason they bomb hospitals and kitchens and schools. Same reason the mow down crowds of aid seekers. Same reason they target children for daring to be born. Same reason they torture doctors. They're trying to break the will of the people and punish them for daring to resist, and make themselves feel powerful and godlike even though they still can't actually win.
Or maybe the cruelty is the point, they're so poisoned by their own propaganda that they just delight in genocide for its own sake. Winning isn't the point anymore and it's just about inflicting suffering and terror and death.
Medical staff continue treating the wounded even though they have basically no supplies left and their jobs have been made nearly impossible, Hamas still continues killing occupation troops, Ansar Allah continues enforcing its Red Sea blockade, there are many forms of resistance still happening even in this late stage of the genocide.
But even the very act of living is resistance in a time of genocide. Even the people who don't pick up a gauze or a gun are resisting, merely because they haven't given up the will to live.
"I am ignorant and don't know anyone who is brown, look at how proud I am of that while making fun of a person getting brutally murdered after months of famine"
They're just dying, imagine if they were israelis : https://x.com/AnasAlSharif0/status/1954670507128914219
This is my will and my final message. If these words reach you, know that Israel has succeeded in killing me and silencing my voice. First, peace be upon you and Allah’s mercy and blessings.
Allah knows I gave every effort and all my strength to be a support and a voice for my people, ever since I opened my eyes to life in the alleys and streets of the Jabalia refugee camp. My hope was that Allah would extend my life so I could return with my family and loved ones to our original town of occupied Asqalan (Al-Majdal). But Allah’s will came first, and His decree is final. I have lived through pain in all its details, tasted suffering and loss many times, yet I never once hesitated to convey the truth as it is, without distortion or falsification—so that Allah may bear witness against those who stayed silent, those who accepted our killing, those who choked our breath, and whose hearts were unmoved by the scattered remains of our children and women, doing nothing to stop the massacre that our people have faced for more than a year and a half.
I entrust you with Palestine—the jewel in the crown of the Muslim world, the heartbeat of every free person in this world. I entrust you with its people, with its wronged and innocent children who never had the time to dream or live in safety and peace. Their pure bodies were crushed under thousands of tons of Israeli bombs and missiles, torn apart and scattered across the walls.
I urge you not to let chains silence you, nor borders restrain you. Be bridges toward the liberation of the land and its people, until the sun of dignity and freedom rises over our stolen homeland. I entrust you to take care of my family. I entrust you with my beloved daughter Sham, the light of my eyes, whom I never got the chance to watch grow up as I had dreamed.
I entrust you with my dear son Salah, whom I had wished to support and accompany through life until he grew strong enough to carry my burden and continue the mission.
I entrust you with my beloved mother, whose blessed prayers brought me to where I am, whose supplications were my fortress and whose light guided my path. I pray that Allah grants her strength and rewards her on my behalf with the best of rewards.
I also entrust you with my lifelong companion, my beloved wife, Umm Salah (Bayan), from whom the war separated me for many long days and months. Yet she remained faithful to our bond, steadfast as the trunk of an olive tree that does not bend—patient, trusting in Allah, and carrying the responsibility in my absence with all her strength and faith. I urge you to stand by them, to be their support after Allah Almighty. If I die, I die steadfast upon my principles. I testify before Allah that I am content with His decree, certain of meeting Him, and assured that what is with Allah is better and everlasting.
O Allah, accept me among the martyrs, forgive my past and future sins, and make my blood a light that illuminates the path of freedom for my people and my family. Forgive me if I have fallen short, and pray for me with mercy, for I kept my promise and never changed or betrayed it.
Do not forget Gaza… And do not forget me in your sincere prayers for forgiveness and acceptance.
Anas Jamal Al-Sharif 06.04.2025
This is what our beloved Anas requested to be published upon his martyrdom.
After the massacres in south-east Asia in the 50-60s, the coups&dictatorships of the 70-80s in South America(, the remnants of european communism in the 90s), Netanyahu was a first witness to the massacres of the 2000-2010s in the Middle-East, he overturned 1991, and could say that there's no credible other path left now.
However, the UK could have pretended the same impossibility of a life with palestinians in order to deny Ireland's independence, or white south africans in order to refuse an end to the apartheid, either with two states, or with a multi-ethnic state like Belgium or Switzerland. Seems doable. But Israel "just" wants the whole sacred lands for themselves, even if it matters for the other monotheist religions as well. They could share instead.
The strike killed seven and maimed eight. All but Anas al-Sharif were collateral damage. The justification for the strike was killing al-Sharif, who Israel says was secretly hiding Hamas soldiers in his backpack.
Al Jazeera journalist Anas al-Sharif has been killed alongside four colleagues in a targeted Israeli attack on a tent housing journalists in Gaza City.
Seven people were killed in the attack on the tent located outside the main gate of Gaza City’s al-Shifa Hospital late on Sunday evening, including Al Jazeera correspondent Mohammed Qreiqeh and camera operators Ibrahim Zaher, Mohammed Noufal and Moamen Aliwa.
New York, July 24, 2025 - The Committee to Protect Journalists is gravely worried about the safety of Al Jazeera Arabic’s Gaza correspondent Anas Al-Sharif, who is being targeted by an Israeli military smear campaign, which he believes is a precursor to his assassination.
I do wonder if his last tweet was, wise. It probably wouldn't have taken Shin Bet/Mossad long to work out his exact location from it.
If you're a war reporter, remember OpSec. Some basement dwellers found Shia Labouf's flag in less than a day, with the whole of North America to search they narrowed it down from cloud patterns, local air traffic and a guy driving around beeping his horn once they got it into a several mile radius.
Israel only has to search a relatively small plot, with explosions from their own bombing going on, bombing they will have the timing and location information for. Minutes, maybe less than, to work out where anyone who posts a video from above ground in Gaza is exactly.
New York, July 24, 2025—The Committee to Protect Journalists is gravely worried about the safety of Al Jazeera Arabic’s Gaza correspondent Anas Al-Sharif, who is being targeted by an Israeli military smear campaign, which he believes is a precursor t…
A group of Chinese researchers and clinical neurologists has made a new breakthrough in brain-computer interface technology, enabling 10 individuals to communicate complex Chinese sentences through their thoughts alone.
Interesting, but this technology seems really scary, imagine being interrogated with a machine that translates thoughts into words, now try not to think of a sandwich.
Yesterday marked one of the most shameful days in the history of the Metropolitan Police as they arrested peaceful protesters including a blind man in a wheelchair, an 81-year-old woman with Parkinson's, a former British army officer, and a bunch of,…
Hi,
I am wondering if there are any planned updates for the tagging system, or if NodeBB’s current setup is considered already optimized?
As far as I can see, in federated topics, clicking a hashtag takes me to the original site’s tag search results, bu
Hi,
I am wondering if there are any planned updates for the tagging system, or if NodeBB’s current setup is considered already optimized?
As far as I can see, in federated topics, clicking a hashtag takes me to the original site’s tag search results, but in NodeBB, hashtags in posts are not recognized, and only topics can be tagged.
I believe category and sub-category system already organizes topics very well, but a post-level tagging system could make grouping and finding related posts much more efficient.
crazycells that's a good question that probably bears further research.
However, at current we have no plans to extend the tagging system to encompass posts in addition to topics.
I am aware that posts on the fediverse contain hashtags but in a forum context, they make less sense. That is why tags have traditionally been at the topic level.
Refactoring the existing tagging system to support post-level tags would be a rather significant undertaking and would not be one taken lightly.
I wish I could boil the world down to a single black and white issue to justify huffing my own farts and jumping on board with the rapid descent into fascism!
The only thing that could possibly be better than genocide in one place is genocide in that place AND concentration camps for minorities, reversing course on climate change, healthcare, AI in combat, unelected billionaires into positions of authority, tarriffs and economic turmoil, gratuitous self enrichment of the oligarchy, and just *gestures around*. Because remember, we can't vote or take stands AGAINST these things unless we can perfectly square our vision of this one issue!
We should in no way be supporting Israel, but jesus you are using this issue to speedrun both the annihilation of Palestine and the collapse of what little democracy is left. Thank goodness whoever the fuck got the blue checkmark back that you can just buy. Feels like winning?
If I have to choose between one race and two races or more being exterminated I'm "nuanced" enough not to pick two and be a supercilious fuckwit about it, if that's what you mean.
Nobody is against genocide enough in leadership, that's a fact. Not voting for either party is the same as voting for the worst of the choices available. Nobody likes to do damage control, but that's what it is until better choices are on the table. Supporting the techno fascist empire to get a blue check in their ecosystem, generally not voting or acting against tyranny however you can, and just bitching into the void is a miscarriage of your goals.
"Picking zero" is doing nothing and patting yourself on the back for it.
You might as well write on your own name as do the third party vote in an election year.
There are 3 other years to go stump for third parties and see if they can take a viable shot. When they clearly can't, evidenced by the fact no third party even got enough support to enter into the debates, there's nothing to do but be pragmatic.
You've got to do the best you can with what you've got at every stage because the moral high ground doesn't control any seats in any government, write any laws, or generally solve your problems. Maybe you sleep better at night (I hope you do), but that is the only perk you get as far as I can tell.
We would probably both complain about other people being single issue on topics like abortion, guns, and religion. This is not so different.
We're already seeing a massive pivot. The only reason most Democrats didn't care about genocide is because they were too scared to lose if they actively opposed it. Now that they see that they will lose if they don't actively oppose it, suddenly we see a surge in popularity of figures like Mamdani.
It's sad that it required Democrat voters losing for genocide to be waken up from the illusion of being able to win with 'the lesser evil' mentality
You know the difference between a democratic and gop leader? The gop wants to do crimes domestically and in Gaza. While the democrat just wants to do crimes abroad
I voted for democrats because I didn't want Trump. The US is a two party system, and that's not changing anytime soon. If there was a real third option, I'd vote for it.
You can demand either party to cave to your demands if they want your vote. The one who needs the votes more will eventually need to take your position if they know you will not vote for them otherwise.
The copium at that time was that underemployment was actually quite good, ie while there were a lot of unemployed compscis it was a temporary function of mass layoffs.
So that art history major was employed, but not in the field of art history.
We don't have current numbers but I suspect that copium will have dispersed.
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Jumuta
in reply to Cikos • • •Fecundpossum
in reply to Jumuta • • •But that doesn’t mean it’s a good place to start.
Try Linux Mint, Ubuntu, or Fedora. Any of these will be easier than Arch and offer point and click installation for steam, drivers, and just about anything else.
When you get some more experience, instead of arch you can try endeavourOS. it’s basically arch with good defaults and has a fantastic KDE implementation.
paequ2
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •I recently tried Fedora for the first time last week... and was pleasantly surprised! Out of these 3, I feel like Fedora looks the nicest. Fedora Workstation's installer is a little nicer than Ubuntu's. I also think the update screen during reboot is a nice touch.
Fecundpossum
in reply to paequ2 • • •Cikos
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Fecundpossum
in reply to Cikos • • •Cikos
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •im not sure if my machine will need that level of stuff for my usage nor my tech level that high to require something like that. so its nice to know that i will not lose much if i change distro with a more streamlined one.
after lots of input i decide to just play with arch until it breaks then switch to bazzite.
thank you for your input
Diplomjodler
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Fecundpossum
in reply to Diplomjodler • • •I almost always advise against atomic distros for noobs. They are extremely limiting, add multiple complications to otherwise simple tasks, and the padded cell of immutability means you can’t really fuck around and learn how traditional Linux systems work.
I’m usually distro agnostic and just happy to see people use whatever Linux they like, but immutables have issues.
pyssla
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Assuming you're referring to Fedora Atomic, your statement is extremely exaggerated. Out of the top of my head, the current limitations are iffy akmods and UKI/systemd-boot. The latter of which is being worked on currently and might arrive rather sooner than later. Neither of which I'd assume 95% of Linux users ever engage with anyways...
I feel like you don't know what you're talking about. Please be explicit; which tasks are made more complicated on Fedora Atomic?
It's true that you aren't supposed to "fuck" around (most of)
/usrduring runtime. Furthermore, I agree that the existing ways to circumvent/bypass this leave much to be desired. But, again, most peeps use perfectly fine systems without ever feeling the need to tinker with/usr... And if you absolutely must..., well..., Fedora Atomic doesn't actually stop you. It just wants you to adhere to its ways of achieving it. Making it more of a paradigm shift, rather than outright limiting the user.If your criticism basically boils down to "I can't make use of my preconceived notion on how Linux works.", then "Yes."; that's exactly the point. Granted, it wouldn't hurt if Fedora Atomic allowed conventional methods to continue working. But as it's currently in the middle of a architectural shift (going from
rpm-ostreetobootc), I'd argue they've got more important things to work on.UKI/systemd-boot tracker
cgwalters (GitHub)Fecundpossum
in reply to pyssla • • •I would say the greatest limitation would be repos and your ability to build whatever software you want from source. Having access to the AUR allows me access to much wider array of software. Can you run Hyprland and all of its companions like hyprlock, hyprpaper, etc on bazzite? That’s the setup I prefer, and I’m fairly certain it’s not possible in a Fedora based immutable system.
I don’t want or need guardrails to keep my system running correctly. If you do, or just enjoy the stability, cool. I’m just glad you’re not running windows. I don’t think bazzite is bad. I just don’t think it should be the go to for welcoming newcomers.
pyssla
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Thank you for the quick answer and for providing clarifications!
What do you mean? What's wrong with Fedora's repos? Apologies if I sound obtuse*.
There's nothing preventing you from doing this within a container created by Toolbx/Distrobox. I can attest to this. You can even build it natively. While I haven't personally engaged in building it natively, I can't imagine it would cause any problems. But please correct me if your experience (or otherwise) is different.
Fam, break your leg. Nothing is stopping you; someone else has already done just that. And you can just piggy-back of their effort. In case you'd like to see other (successful) attempts at making Hyprland work on Fedora Atomic: consider taking a look at wayblue and hyprland-atomic.
GitHub - BillyAddlers/phosphophypr: A Hyprland-focused Image for Fedora Atomic, based on Bazzite Gnome.
GitHubFecundpossum
in reply to pyssla • • •Huh. Well, today I learned.
You do sound obtuse, but thanks for the education.
I still think bazzite is the wrong suggestion for newcomers, and I don’t care if you like my opinion.
pyssla
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •~~Hehe 😛 . Please feel free to clarify what you meant with the repos being limiting (or something). I'm genuinely interested to know.~~ See Edit down below
It's your absolute prerogative to believe/think/state whatever you wish. However, I don't think you've yet made a convincingly compelling case. You absolutely don't have to, but if you've got more to say on the subject matter, then please do so for the sake of (potentially) enlightening others.
Good.., I suppose. Neither should you care anyways 😜.
Edit: I only now noticed that you had edited your previous post. My apologies.
Agreed. I also occasionally access stuff from there through my dedicated Arch distrobox. I occasionally make use of my Ubuntu distrobox, or Alpine distrobox as well. Thanks to Distrobox (and similar technologies), it has become an absolutely glorious experience to not be limited by the distro's repos. Instead, I can make use of whatever repos are out there. Granted; Distrobox is not exclusive to Fedora Atomic, but you'd be hard-pressed to find another distro on which it works as well as it does on uBlue's offerings.
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ublue.itFecundpossum
in reply to pyssla • • •pyssla
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •FWIW, I have edited my previous comment.
Anyhow, if you wish to disengage, then I'd like to wish you a great day. If not, then I'm (patiently) awaiting your return 🙂.
Fecundpossum
in reply to pyssla • • •Honestly it sounds like you’ve mastered a completely new kind of operating system, based on Linux but evolving in its own direction, and there’s probably only a handful of people using it at that level. It’s pretty cool to learn more about, so I appreciate what you’ve had to say.
I already know and love traditional Linux and don’t see a compelling reason to change, and as I’ve repeated, I don’t think it’s the way to point a newcomer.
pyssla
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Thanks for the compliment 😅. I do think there's some truth in it being a new kind of Linux-based OS. But it's not as big of a departure like say NixOS. Heck, I'd argue it's grounded within a relatively basic premise: What's the minimal amount of effort required to make our current Linux systems attain desirable qualities like being reprovisionable and anti-hysteresis? The whole
bootc-shebang is just leveraging existing container technologies (I'm sure you're familiar with Docker) to the Linux you run on your computer.If we would (perhaps arbitrarily) choose for "that level" to be "crazy enough to create and run their own image"^[As that's most likely my biggest Fedora Atomic achievement.], then it's true that our numbers are probably only in the order of hundreds. Though, the knowledge required to build your own image is (almost) equivalent to the knowledge one ought to have to create their own OCI image; you know, the very same used for Docker, the container technology that represents a billion dollar industry.
I appreciate it. I like conversing with you as well 😊!
That's perfectly valid.
Please allow me to explain why I differ on this:
The beginner has no preconceived notion on how Linux is 'supposed' to work. As such, they will adapt to whatever you throw at it. Be it Mint, Arch or Fedora Atomic. Heck, it's undeniable that out of these, Fedora Atomic works the closest like their phone. Which has undoubtedly become the most recognizable OS for your average Joe.
FYI, Fedora Silverblue was my foray into Linux. The first one or two weeks definitely gave me a hard time, but that was over three years ago. If I was able to survive in such a 'hostile' environment, then newcomers should have absolutely no trouble getting onboard with the introduction of Bazzite (and the other uBlue images).
“Immutable” → reprovisionable, anti-hysteresis
Colin WaltersFecundpossum
in reply to pyssla • • •Honestly it sounds like you’ve mastered a completely new kind of operating system, based on Linux but evolving in its own direction, and there’s probably only a handful of people using it at that level. It’s pretty cool to learn more about, so I appreciate what you’ve had to say.
I already know and love traditional Linux and don’t see a compelling reason to change, and as I’ve repeated, I don’t think it’s the way to point a newcomer.
Whostosay
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Agreed.
CachyOS has all of the gaming stuff (can be just point and click with their welcome popup/installer), is arch based so there's a ton of well made documentation.
Download yay and off to the races
Fecundpossum
in reply to Whostosay • • •Whostosay
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •I used bazzite and I ran into the exact issues you described above. It worked, and it worked well, but anything extra that I wanted to do required jumping through a shit load of hoops and bouncing around between bazzite forums, fedora forums, and universal blue forums to maybe not even arrive at a reliable work around.
It was extremely valuable because I had to learn a lot, but it just wasn't nearly as seamless as cachy.
Bazzite will play steam games right off the rip and it will do it well, and is an easy install. Beyond that it can get harry if you're not just using flatpacks.
A lot of people will say "just use distrobox" if your solution to make something work in this OS is to download and use another OS, why wouldn't I just start there with the other OS?
Fecundpossum
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in reply to marighost • • •nfreak
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •This is what I ran into when I first decided to try a linux system desktop after ten years. I wasn't familiar with the new distros around these days, so decided to try Bazzite first. Immediately ran into a driver issue that was apparently not fixable until the (already released) fix made its way into their official repo or something.
Shelved that and gave CachyOS a try (made more sense anyway since I used arch in college and had a steam deck since day 1), and it's been my daily driver for 6 months now.
atzanteol
in reply to Diplomjodler • • •Hanrahan
in reply to Diplomjodler • • •Bazzite's not Arxh based though if thats the OPs.intent?
I have no idea what the OP is trying to achieve though. I just use LMDE with steam
LastWish
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •I'm comfortable with tech but clueless with Linux. What does all this mean?!
But seriously, why would you want endeavorOS instead of sometbing youre saying is more simple, like Mint?
Fecundpossum
in reply to LastWish • • •Increased flexibility and control, some things I like to do work better in an arch based system than a Fedora based system. One of my biggest reasons, is that the tiling window manager I use is better supported on Arch and makes use of many AUR packages. Using the AUR and building from source can be risky if you don’t know what you’re doing.
That fact that you don’t know what any of this means is why you should start with a more beginner friendly distro. You’ll learn, and as your knowledge grows you’ll have a much clearer understanding of your needs in a distro.
Imagine it’s like racing. If you start in a GT3 car pushing 900 horsepower as a beginner you’ll probably die. Which is why most start with karting or racing Miatas. Keep it simple and build your skill set and knowledge as you go.
LastWish
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •I appreciate the reply.
Im definitely going to start beginner friendly. I'm just trying to get a handle on what the differences tangiby mean ahead of it. Every explanation i find seems to be. "You do more, you can customize more, it's more powerful, or only losers dont use the hardest thing possible". Ok, the last one was a joke, kind of.
Fecundpossum
in reply to LastWish • • •The biggest difference? Arch forces you to the terminal more. The easier distros come pre packaged with GUI tools for things like graphics driver selection, adding and removing repositories, installing and removing software, etc.
Vanilla arch doesn’t come with any of that. EndeavourOS, the more fleshed out Arch based distro I use doesn’t either. You could use Mint, Ubuntu, Pop, or Fedora, without ever needing to see the command line. You CAN use it, and should from time to time to start learning, but Arch throws you right into the deep end of the pool of using the command line for almost everything you do.
Some of these people will likely try to say “well actually there are GUI frontends for pacman” or whatever, it’s not the same as using Mint where graphical tools that are easy to use are baked into the system.
wuphysics87
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Fecundpossum
in reply to wuphysics87 • • •Yes start over.
Ubuntu, Mint, Pop_OS, Fedora.
Save your important files on a separate drive, install your new beginner friendly OS of choice, and don’t be afraid to break it. A reinstall from a USB stick takes like 15 minutes, and with your important files stored separately you don’t have to think twice about wiping the system and starting over.
wuphysics87
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Fecundpossum
in reply to wuphysics87 • • •OhVenus_Baby
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •NekuSoul
in reply to OhVenus_Baby • • •Fecundpossum
in reply to OhVenus_Baby • • •I have a 70 year old father running Ubuntu on a laptop without issue for a couple years now. Everyone’s mileage may vary.
Poor OP probably has no idea what to do now.
seralth
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Arch has easier points and click install then any of those with things like cachy.
The whole arch is hard thing is a wildly out of date common wisdom. If your using a pre built distro.
ArtixCory
in reply to seralth • • •.debs that don't update with the rest of the system, the list goes on. No shade to anyone who is happy with Ubuntu or Mint, but I too started on Ubuntu and didn't find it intuitive enough to stick around. OP is talking about avoiding the terminal, "just use Debian" is not even a solution to that.Cricket [he/him]
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •I think openSUSE is also a good option for newbies, either the Leap (stable release) or Tumbleweed (rolling release) variants. One nice thing openSUSE does for newbies and why I have been using it in the process of moving away from Windows is that it comes out of the box with automatic system snapshots enabled so that if you break anything it's relatively simple to roll back to a working config.
Fecundpossum
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in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Cikos
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in reply to anon5621 • • •data1701d (He/Him)
in reply to Cikos • • •As a completely new user who’s self-described as “not very tech savvy”, Arch is probably a terrible idea, and you should switch distros.
I really like Debian, but something like Linux Mint or Fedora might be wiser for you; all three hold your hand more, which would be very important in your case. Fedora and Debian specifically are designed to work well with KDE, although Fedora will have newer versions.
You certainly seem willing to learn (you got through the Arch install process), and I think you still have a great opportunity to enjoy Linux, but considering you’re calling the terminal emulator “Konsole”, your self-description is probably apt. FYI Konsole is just one application to access the terminal, kind of like how Firefox and Chrome are both web browsers, but you don’t use “Chrome” to refer to web browsers.
Cikos
in reply to data1701d (He/Him) • • •anything that have good implementation of kde is worth a look for me. i love kde.
thank you for your info
James R Kirk
in reply to Cikos • • •Go with Bazzite, it tries to mimic SteamOS out of the box. Very easy install/setup process (easier than windows).
Bazzite is Fedora Kinoite with some extra stuff, Kinoite might be better for a desktop setup but either one is totally useable for gaming and desktop so don't overthink it.
pyssla
in reply to Cikos • • •If you're the type of new user that likes to go balls deep straight away, then Arch is arguably one of the better options thanks to its excellent Wiki. However, please don't blatantly overestimate yourself for the heck of it. Consider checking out ArchWiki's own entries on this matter:
- Why would I not want to use Arch?
- I am a complete GNU/Linux beginner. Should I use Arch?
- System maintenance
I don't think this attitude is helpful for conquering Arch, but YMMV.
FWIW, if you just want to emulate SteamOS, perhaps consider Bazzite instead. It's not based on Arch, but it arguably is the closest to SteamOS (but better). More so than any Arch-based distro*.
Bazzite - The next generation of Linux gaming
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Cikos
in reply to pyssla • • •after looking at it more i realized its more of a wiki than a tutorial. my initial thought is if i use pacman to install steam i had to find and get the dependencies by myself so thats why i went with flatpak route.
few people recommend bazzite too. ill try to give it a look
pyssla
in reply to Cikos • • •If you want the system to be out of your way while you get to enjoy your games, then that's exactly what Bazzite is for.
If, instead, you're interested in getting to know how the traditional model of Linux desktop works, then I'd look elsewhere.
deadcade
in reply to Cikos • • •Luckily, Linux has evolved in the past 30 years. A package manager (one usually comes with your system, like apt, dnf, pacman) will handle almost all direct dependencies for you. When installing Steam, you may be asked which 32-bit Vulkan library you want to install, but aside from that it should get everything automatically. (Hint: vulkan-radeon on AMD, otherwise pick the one for your GPU brand)
Managing and "maintaining" (updating, sometimes cleaning) an Arch Linux installation is definitely more involved than what you are used to on Windows or the Steam Deck. Some people prefer this workflow, as it offers more control over their system. Others prefer an already set up and maintained environment.
Bazzite is a very SteamOS-like experience. You click update once in a while, and shouldn't have to touch anything else internal to the system. You get Steam and Flatpaks out of the box.
Since Linux gives everyone the freedom to do things the way they want, there will always be people shitting on a specific way to do things. There are definitely good reasons to dislike certain software, but generally you should be just fine. Just because someone thinks their way of doing things is better doesn't mean you should immediately switch to that.
That being said, the main downside of Steam in a flatpak is the sandboxing possibly getting in the way of modding your games, or games that use unique hardware (like steering wheels or so).
steam(pacman package) does not have those specific issues, but it lacks sandboxing (aside from Steam's pressure vessel for games).You can continue with Arch if you want, and there's certainly good resources to learn (like the wiki) or get help (like the IRC or Matrix rooms). It will require you to learn about how to actually set up and configure your Linux installation the way you prefer. Other distros (usually marketed as "user friendly"), like Fedora, Bazzite, Mint, will automatically perform or set up some of the maintenance you'd have to do manually on Arch.
pyssla
in reply to deadcade • • •Cikos
in reply to deadcade • • •bobs_monkey
in reply to Cikos • • •Perhaps it may not be a bad idea to dual boot Arch and SteamOS or BazziteOS until you get the hang of Arch. While Arch is a very flexible system, accidents happen, and it'd be a shame to lose game progress due to system breakage.
And fyi, Konsole is simply a terminal application for your command line. Personally I don't really mess with flatpaks, and I suggest getting familiar with pacman (Arch's package manager) and the AUR.
Cikos
in reply to bobs_monkey • • •im not sure if they released steamos yet, few people recommend bazzite ill give it a look later
ive heard of aur, ill try to look at it further, thanks for the info
bobs_monkey
in reply to Cikos • • •store.steampowered.com/steamos…
It's a recovery image, but can be used for a fresh PC install.
SteamOS
store.steampowered.comCikos
in reply to bobs_monkey • • •HelloRoot
in reply to Cikos • • •Here is my tutorial:
sudo pacman -Syu steamIt's as easy as that. Thats how I run it.
When I started my Linux journey, I went with Ubuntu and kept breaking it every year for a couple of years, which taught me a lot. Then eventually I hopped to Arch and I've been running the same setup since. For over 6 years now. I am very lazy, so I don't do anythjng special unless it breaks.
My setup has automatic btrfs snapshots and manual offsite backups with borg.
My workflow is:
So yeah it's quite involved, but I got better at it with time and again, most of the time everything just works and I can enjoy weekly improvements or new features to play with.
I am a bit on the fence which advice to give you. Either keep it and run with it for a while longer or install a simpler gaming focused distro. It's up tp you really.
Cikos
in reply to HelloRoot • • •thank you for telling me your workflow. with bit of time i think i can follow your workflow as its quite simple (at least sound like it)
yeah, about that. it seems i mixed wiki as tutorial and was but intimidated when i saw how to do manual terminal config for controller setup, graphic driver, and other stuffs. in my mind that just getting the base app is not enough, you need to find the specific perquisite and getting them one by one.
i decided that ill keep playing with arch until it breaks then ill see if i want to give it another go or try bazzite. i love tinkering but software tinker is a bit out of my depth
cRazi_man
in reply to Cikos • • •You're not screwed. Depends on how much you enjoy tinkering and troubleshooting.
My main advice would be to keep your data backed up and completely disconnected from the PC. And make sure your machine is not critical (i.e. for working from home or something). Other than that you do what you want. If you want to dive deep in Arch then that's fine.
One thing to know is that the important part relevant to you is: the desktop environment (KDE) and the Linux distro (Arch) are different things. The far more important thing for you is to have KDE.... the distro underneath just needs to not get in the way.
If you've got Arch up and running then stick with it until it gives you trouble. I naturally ended up distro hopping in the beginning because I would catastrophically break something I couldn't repair and could change distros naturally when reinstalling.
Good options for easy distros with KDE would be:
Cikos
in reply to cRazi_man • • •this pc is mostly for gaming and entertainment so not much is lost if its wiped or broke.
i do love tinkering, just that software tinker is a bit out of my depth
thank you for your input. after a lot of other input and consideration i'll keep playing with arch until it broke then ill decide later if i want to retry it or go with bazzite. or maybe see other enticing distro too. there is so much..
Fizz
in reply to Cikos • • •Cikos
in reply to Fizz • • •Fizz
in reply to Cikos • • •Otter
in reply to Cikos • • •It sounds like you're thinking of Arch + KDE as similar to building a PC, where if you get the same parts you can hook them up for the same experience.
I think their team chose Arch to build their distro off of because it's very customizable and made it easy for them to add their configurations, interface layers, hardware optimizations etc. That doesn't make it the best choice for a beginner unless you want to be thrown into the deep end and spend some time to learn a bunch.
IMO you should look into something like Bazzite or some other atomic Fedora, or OpenSuse, so that you can have a running operating system you can game on. Then you can spend some time learning about Linux with the functioning PC. There are ways to run other Linux distros inside your main one if you want to play with them and learn about them.
Unless you have another machine to use day to day, I find it annoying to be learning with the same machine I need for other things.
Cikos
in reply to Otter • • •yeah you nailed it.
i think ill keep learning arch and see how far i got, when it inevitably break ill choose later if i want to retry it or just go with bazzite, its a mostly pc for gaming so there isnt much important stuff in it
Otter
in reply to Cikos • • •folaht
in reply to Cikos • • •I think you're better off with CachyOS than Bazzite to be honest.
It's Arch-based, comes with an installer with KDE Plasma as default and on top of that is optimized for performance and geared towards gaming.
The only reason people are recommending Bazzite
is because CachyOS is only a year old, while Bazzite is two years old,
unless someone can prove me otherwise.
In any case Bazzite is RHEL-based, so it won't have the AUR or pacman,
which are the two things that set Arch-based Operating Systems apart from the rest of the pack.
AUR and pacman are superior to all other repositories and package managers.
pyssla
in reply to folaht • • •CachyOS has been installable (at least) as early as . Its GitHub page is even older, going as far back as October of 2021.
Bazzite, on the other hand, is at least a year younger as it dates back to December of 2022.
Bazzite is based on Fedora Atomic. FYI, Fedora is not based on RHEL. Quite the opposite, actually, as Fedora is "upstream" of RHEL.
Come out of your cave, fam. Distrobox has been out for years now. And, with it, everyone has access to every other repo (including the AUR). We've finally evolved.
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GitHubfolaht
in reply to pyssla • • •Thank you for that info, but then why are so many advising Bazzite instead of CachyOS?
CachyOS is Arch-based, Bazzite is not.
And thank you for that info.
So Red Hat decided to put Fedora in front and put RHEL in the back?
Red Hat used to be the base OS of Fedora, no?
Again, thank you for that info.
But I don't think any container app would diversify distros or make Fedora distros more popular.
In fact, it probably will lead to AUR-based distros becoming even more popular,
because one will have access to all the other smaller repos,
as AUR becomes the standard.
pyssla
in reply to folaht • • •Thank you for the kind words, fam. Much appreciated 😊!
Assuming you're referring to why so many others recommended Bazzite to OP instead of CachyOS. I believe it stems from the following line of OP:
And even if the following is true:
It's simply undeniable that Bazzite is closer to SteamOS compared CachyOS, by virtue of how it -just like SteamOS- doesn't deliver the traditional model of desktop Linux but instead goes all-in on a new paradigm. A simple example to point this out would be how both SteamOS and Bazzite default to automatic updates:
- SteamOS; github.com/ValveSoftware/Steam…
- Bazzite; docs.bazzite.gg/Installing_and…
CachyOS, by contrary, doesn't. Though it ain't hard to enable this: github.com/CachyOS/cachy-updat…
This is all tied to the aforementioned paradigm shift. I can name a lot more similarities if you happen to be interested.
It seems that RHEL has been based on Fedora for over twenty years now 😅. As Red Hat Linux seems to predate Fedora, perhaps it was based on RHEL once upon a time, but it hasn't been for a long time. Regardless, documentation on this event seems to be relatively sparse. As such, I wasn't able to arrive at a definitive conclusion. Please feel free to complete my 'research' 😜!
Sorry, I didn't quite get this. Do you mean that "container app"s will not succeed in decentralizing efforts and instead have the opposite effect?
Perhaps you misunderstood me, but to be clear: Distrobox is basically available on every distro out there. So it's not a Fedora-thing to begin with. (Though, it has to be said that I've yet to see it being better utilized/integrated than uBlue's images.)
Hmm..., I don't quite understand why you think like that. There's a lot that goes into making distros unique and deserving of their existence. Strictly limiting their appeal to the size of their respective (user) repos is honestly a disservice to the grandiose effort put out by our respected F(L)OSS developers.
Though, I kinda wonder... Why are you even praising Arch for this? Shouldn't you root for NixOS instead as they're the ones to possess the biggest repo?
[Feature Request] Automatic Updates toggle
Spidy123222 (GitHub)folaht
in reply to pyssla • • •I only used Fedora in college on shared college computers and that was over twenty years ago.
It was brand new back then as they switched over from Solaris.
I was under the impression back then that Fedora was a Red Hat Linux derative like Ubuntu was of Debian,
Ubuntu being the OS I was using at that time and the Linux Distro Timeline implies as such, however...
Businesses weren't too keen about Red Hat's six month release cycle, as the short time interpolation was too disruptive for them.
Red Hat then decided to have a seperate OS with a long-term support cycle and call that Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL).
At the same time, users were demanding a 'Red Hat Community Edition', so Fedora came into existance and that was then used as an upstream source for RHEL.
Yes. It'll make some OSes more pointless. People will try out the distro in the distrobox, get what they need out of it and not bother installing it
or jump ship to the better one.
No, it's clear.
It's a defining feature for me.
I had to jump off Ubuntu and Parabola for this reason.
For Ubuntu I needed the latest version of some package and for Parabola it was certain packages that were non-free.
Distrobox did not exist back then.
NixOS sounds very interesting, but the moment I tried to install the distro- package manager I noticed aws packages and I have an aversion of anything remotely Amazon.
Guix peaks my interest even more now that you've mentioned Distrobox.
I think I'll take the jump.
Mark with a Z
in reply to Cikos • • •I'm guessing the reasons Valve chose Arch are mostly related to ability to build and maintain a distro based on it. On SteamOS, Valve is responsible for the system working. On plain Arch, a lot of that is on you.
So maybe stay if you want to take the challenge and learn. You already installed it so thet's something. Or switch to a normal distro if you'd rather not bother.
For flatpak, it's a package format for distributing "apps", that works on about any distro out there. Most of the time it's fine, but steam is an exception. Don't use flatpak steam, the sandboxing breaks it.
Cikos
in reply to Mark with a Z • • •i see, thats good to know ill fix mine.
thank you, ill go with arch for now and see how far i got
katy ✨
in reply to Cikos • • •i knew a fair amount about linux cli since ive used ubuntu and debian for servers for like 15 years so i was someone knowledgeable but when i decided to wipe away windows on my desktops i picked linuz mint because it was ubuntu based but also it was recommended for beginners. for the most part it works great, i can use steam and heroic. i cant get warcraft classic working but i just need to dig in more.
the one problem i had was when i first started and it wouldnt boot up but i just command line restored using timeshift and it fixed it and i havent had a problem since.
i havent once had issues with drivers or anything. i even installed it on an old computer for my dads church who mostly use it for powerpoint (now libreoffice) and projecting. they know nothing about computers and theyve been fine. i do want to enable auto updates for them though so they dont have to do that.
fossilesque
in reply to Cikos • • •GitHub - r-darwish/topgrade: Upgrade everything
GitHubCikos
in reply to fossilesque • • •fossilesque
in reply to Cikos • • •LeFantome
in reply to Cikos • • •You are 90% of the way there.
Just keep your system up to date (update packages weekly maybe) and you will be fine. The system mostly manages itself.
I recommend installing both the current kernel and an LTS kernel. If you ever have a problem with a driver or a filesystem or something after an update, just boot into LTS and you are back up and running.
BlameTheAntifa
in reply to Cikos • • •You haven't provided a lot of detail on what your current setup looks like. If you use a gaming-focused distro like Cachy or Bazzite they should essentially work "out of the box." Bazzite is also very difficult to break since the immutability makes for very effective guard rails for new users.
If you went with Arch right off the bat, you did take on quite a lot for a new user, but - and I do genuinely mean this - there is no better way to learn the ins and outs of Linux than jumping into the Arch deep end. Even if you choose to switch to a lower-maintenance distro, your effort with Arch is never wasted.
Want a very low maintenance gaming distro with almost no setup? Bazzite.
Want a more hands-on gaming centric distro like SteamOS? CachyOS.
Want a more stable all-around distro that also works great for gaming? Fedora.
Avoid Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu. You will see Mint recommended often, but I personally only recommend it for older hardware that you are trying to revitalize. There are better options.
A new version of Debian just released, and there is no more rock solid distro than Debian. Add KDE Plasma and you will have a very low maintenance, pleasantly familiar, extremely reliable system.
nickwitha_k (he/him)
in reply to Cikos • • •First, I would like to give you some major props. Installing Arch, in itself, is a big deal. It is not a beginner-friendly distro. It is a very power-user friendly distro and has an incredible wiki that is helpful, at least to some degree, for many distros.
For a beginner distro, I would recommend Linux Mint for its easy transition and great focus on user experiences or Bazzite if you really want to install and get gaming.
When taking drivers in Linux, most are provided as either kernel modules (integrated into the kernel, so you don't have to worry about installing anything) or packaged for the distro, in which case, once installed via package manager, they'll auto-update whenever you update system packages. They are so much easier to deal with than Windows drivers (for the end user). For example, to use a Wacom drawing tablet, all one has to do is plug it in.
phx
in reply to Cikos • • •Arch has a bit of a steeper learning curve. Ubuntu is probably the most "mainstream", but I prefer Mint (based on Ubuntu) for some user-friendly changes. PopOS (already based on Ubuntu) is also supposed to be a bit more gaming centric if you've got an Nvidia card.
I've got an AMD kit in my main machine and Nvidia/Intel in my laptop and both work fine with most Steam games using Proton.
marcie (she/her)
in reply to Cikos • • •twice_hatch
in reply to Cikos • • •Arch is very high-maintenance. Try Debian 13, it just came out this week. Ubuntu is okay but it has a lot of crapware compared to Debian. If your Wi-Fi and GPU work on Debian you do not need Ubuntu.
I'm an experienced Linux desktop user of about 15 years and I switched from Arch to Debian and I don't miss Arch. If you need bleeding-edge software you can use a combo of Nix, language package managers, and building from source. Arch doesn't add much plus I frequently ran the wrong pacman command and soft-locked myself out of the OS. Debian doesn't do that to me.
dil
in reply to Cikos • • •ratatouille
in reply to Cikos • • •I only installed the latest ubuntu (cause of latest gpu driver updates) then I installed steam from software center and it works nothing to do anymore.
Zen_Shinobi
in reply to ratatouille • • •selokichtli
in reply to Cikos • • •Captain Aggravated
in reply to Cikos • • •Joe B
in reply to Cikos • • •Welcome to Linux where you maintain your own os.. You are literally the owner of this ship you want to destroy your system to ahead you want to do whatever cause windows pissed you off go ahead.. evening can be fixed usually.. try all the distros till you like some and use those.
How does it feel to be in control and not have to listen to the Man ?
Cikos
in reply to Joe B • • •brax
in reply to Cikos • • •sudo pacman -SyuAnd done, usually. Lol
JackbyDev
in reply to brax • • •brax
in reply to JackbyDev • • •silasmariner
in reply to Cikos • • •sudo packman -Syuand try to remember to run that every so often. The arch Linux wiki is second to none, and if you stick with the distro you should find it all feels very familiar in no time.Cikos
in reply to silasmariner • • •I just found out about ricing. so satisfactory is probably an illusive state...
MrScottyTay
in reply to Cikos • • •AHamSandwich
in reply to MrScottyTay • • •randomaside
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in reply to randomaside • • •HiddenLayer555
in reply to MrScottyTay • • •dil
in reply to Cikos • • •Uairhahs
in reply to dil • • •Highly recommend this for you OP. This would be the easiest course of action. Do you have to use Konsole, yes but for a few commands and once done you can do everything you need via GUI and not have to touch shell again for daily operations.
Catchy have a very powerful script that attaches all their pacman.conf (list of places where arch will look for it's software)
Here's a link to the section Adding CachyOS to existing Arch Install
Once that's done you only need one more command
Octopi will let you manage all your software and kernel updates without having to touch terminal or having to use flatpaks.
I would recommend packages:
- cachyos-hooks
- linux-cachyos
- linux-cachyos-header
- cachyos-kernel-manager
- proton-cachyos
- wine-cachyos
- cachyos-gaming-meta
This will have you fully set up and ready to seamlessly game on your machine without having to reinstall a OS.
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CachyOSCikos
in reply to Uairhahs • • •JackbyDev
in reply to dil • • •daggermoon
in reply to Cikos • • •bigpEE
in reply to daggermoon • • •I second this. The initial setup is the hard part. Give it a couple days. The arch wiki is the best resource in the whole Linux ecosystem in my opinion. If that's the long manual you were looking at for installing steam, know that 90% of it is info on strange edge cases and all a typical user will need to do is
sudo pacman -Syuthensudo pacman -S steam(I forgot you have to enable the multilib repository if you haven't already. You seem smart, you'll find the info in the wiki)A couple times a year or so something will break after an update. When that happens
1. Google if anyone else has posted your exact problem
2. See if chatgpt knows anything
3. Humbly post in the arch user forum
One of those will solve it. Good luck!
JackbyDev
in reply to bigpEE • • •Cikos
in reply to bigpEE • • •Cikos
in reply to daggermoon • • •daggermoon
in reply to Cikos • • •Regular Water
in reply to Cikos • • •youmaynotknow
in reply to Regular Water • • •If you're using an Nvidia card, the easiest way into Linux for gaming (in my opinion) is Bazzite, as aguasemgas mentioned.
Otherwise, any distro will do. I prefer Fedora Workstation, which is what I use for work (as do my wife and kids) but use Bazzite in my laptop because it's a System76 Gazelle with a 3050TI,and I don't like the current status of PopOS. All my games run great, and everything else is a FlatPak, so not much need to tweak anything really.
JackbyDev
in reply to Cikos • • •Where did you see this? What was the context? I ask because you could say the same thing about any PC you own. It's not like Microsoft is gonna answer your distress call if Windows breaks unless you're paying for support.
TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe
in reply to JackbyDev • • •from Arch Wiki FAQ:
It does not explicitly say "maintain" but it has a similar vibe to it.
Frequently asked questions - ArchWiki
wiki.archlinux.orgCikos
in reply to JackbyDev • • •Horse {they/them}
in reply to Cikos • • •sudo pacman -Syu- do this about once every couple of days to make sure your packages are up-to-datei can't think of anything else i have to do as part of maintaining my system outside of backups
Tattorack
in reply to Cikos • • •Yes, you're screwed.
You're mega extra screwed.
They know where you live.
They're coming for you.
Hide.
Cikos
in reply to Tattorack • • •muusemuuse
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