The majority of users lurk, and those that comment aren't all commenting on the same post. It's not at all plausible for 10% of the MAU to be commenting on one thread. Consider that no other thread sees anywhere close to those numbers, this is unheard of.
When I click that link, and go there in a browser without logging in, I only see 70ish comments listed. But I also see a lot of removed comments as I scroll down, mostly from a single user. My uneducated guess is that there was already some chicanery in the thread, which the Mods have dealt with, and you are seeing the result of that.
As far as what can be done about it, there really is little to be done, as log as Lemmy remains open (and federated). Posts and comments hop around from one instance to the other, and while some instances can take a hard line against bots some other instance can be more permissive then it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. Active, open moderation is the best cure, but takes effort.
Same, the comments created by a spammer have been deleted by the mods and the count in OP's screenshot still includes them, while 77 is the remaining count.
Which also explains my being banned from an instance after sleepily uninstalling my particular browser which stores passwords, rather than merely rm'ing from the home screen. I couldn't find my key at reinstallation, so had to rereg for some instances, then a few days later found it and was able to recover passwords. I can easily see why the admin of that instance assumed
Private instance, also clearly lying about forgetting password.
It happens. But I'm not bothering with re-regging.
@FuckingHellGenocida@lemmy.cafe has a ton of deleted comments, then this comment replies to one of them. in which @GenocideCuntFuckoff@lemmings.world replies over 2000 times.
You also have this comment asking about bots. To which JordanLund replies it is a single person running scripts. His reply garners nearly 1300 replies from @ZioDumbokrat69@lemmings.world
Between those two sets of replies, that is 3,310 of the comments. This is not counting the top level comment spam.
There are only a handful of comments remaining in the thread. Less than 20 legitimate comments.
Its all from one spammer who threadiverse folks regularly talk about needing to manage spam from (if I'm not mistaken about who it is. They change usernames all the time and I don't keep up with their accounts cause I'm not an admin)
The mods appear to have dealt with the issue appropriately. For me it only shows 77 comments as the "count", but there are like a bajillion deleted comments by the same guy
If it still says like a few thousand comments, it is because the bans of the people who spam commented stuff didn't make it to your server yet. Browsing this thread on lemmy.world just shows how many of them got removed
god that's toxic. is lemmings.world a common instance to see that kind of unhinged shit from? I'm considering blocking the instance to prevent ever interacting with one of that guy's alts
edit: apparently it's a known problem. but yeah it's only a matter of time before somebody like that starts hedging their bets and trying other places
I've heard about the Lemmy devs struggling financially to be able to support Lemmy in the past. A lot of users say they'd support the devs if they shut down lemmy.ml, but it can be hard to quantify the value of such statements.
Thus, a proposal: Some trusted team of admins from another instance, say .world or blahaj.zone for example, should set up an account for people who want to support Lemmy but not lemmy.ml to donate into. This account would immediately donate all the money sent to it, if and when lemmy.ml is shut down. The Lemmy devs could think of it as an emergency fund for a rainy day, and if the financial situation ever gets desperate enough for them, they could shut down lemmy.ml and draw on this fund.
A side effect of the fund's existence may be that people, now given the choice to support Lemmy without supporting lemmy.ml, stop donating to the devs directly and just put their money in the no-ml fund instead. if that happened, the devs would have no choice but to shut down .ml, but hey, that's the free gift economy for you.
I think it's kinda a dick move to hold a fund ransom until something is fulfilled, politician does this and it's already bad enough. What if the fund being held by said account being misused? What if lemmy dev insist that they will not back down? Would the fund be held until it does, which will likely take forever?
If i want to donate and 100% make sure some of the fund actually reach my goal, i would've just donate to them. If i don't agree with their political view point i will just don't donate, or donate to piefed which equally need the fund to progress. Having someone else holding the fund for me is very icky, financial-wise.
Just donate to them if you want to, why make it this complicated. If you don't want your money to go towards running the instance, then donate directly to those devs not involved with running the instance.
I haven’t heard anyone demand .ml shut down. I think people want A: allow for separate funding of Lemmy development and the server so people can avoid contributing to the server if they wish. And B: stop running the server as your personal fiefdom where any dissenting opinion or inconvenience facts result in an immediate ban.
FYI: communick pledges to take 20% of the profits from its hosting services and give to the open source developers of the underlying projects. So, the more people signing up to the $29/year package, the more we can support the developers from Mastodon, Lemmy, Funkwhale and Matrix.
Lemmy.ml is literally the developers' home instance. You're confusing instance admins (basically randos) with the developers. Anyway I like it here on .ml. I moved here from .world because of too much censorship there. You're literally not allowed to discuss disapproved brands of cat food on .world. I still chuckle over that one.
Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.
I tend to tell myself that I am not affected by advertising. But I suspect that most people think that. So I ask myself: What am I not seeing?
I have heard that many ads are designed to sell you a "lifestyle".
I was looking for this community and just noticed that the latest post is 3 months ago. ~~Is Raccoon no longer?~~ I found it while I was having issues with another app a few months ago and I find it great. Recently I noticed that Raccoon doesn't appear as an option to open lemmy links when I click on them on my phone. Also, while I was looking for this community I noticed that the search function doesn't work. ~~If Raccoon is no longer being maintained it would be a pity, because I prefer it over the other few that I have tried. I just find it more comfortable to use. Hopefully it's still going.~~ 🤞
I use raccoon. It still gets regular updates. Search works for me. Links open in my default browser - Brave. I'm on Android. Sound on embedded video clips has never worked in Raccoon.
Not sure what is going on for me. I still have voyager installed but haven't used it in months. Raccoon up to date, but when I get a lemmy link in the browser, I get a choice of apps, Voyager, IronFox even PL fantasy football 😅 , but no Raccoon. It may just be my phone, I have a new one just not transferred everything over yet. Nothing happening in search at all. It may just be the instance that I have tried searching within, as I have seen elsewhere that people have had issues with instances.
I noticed after I posted that the github page was updated 4 hours ago.
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Former President Joe Biden has decided to build his presidential library in Delaware. He has also tapped a group of former aides, friends and political allies to begin the heavy lift of fundraising and finding a site for the museum and archive.
Some 88 postal operators have either fully or partially stopped sending mail to the US due to President Donald Trump's cancellation of a tax exemption for small packages, the Universal Postal Union said Saturday. In the week since the new rule was introduced, postal traffic to the US fell 81 percent, the group said.
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Some 88 postal operators have either fully or partially stopped sending mail to the US due to President Donald Trump's cancellation of a tax exemption for small packages, the Universal Postal Union said Saturday.
The difference between Holocaust denial and Gaza Genocide denial is that Holocaust denial is illegal or a criminal offence in many countries, and is, for the most part, the preserve of marginalised kooks and conspiracy theorists.
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Critical authentication bypass vulnerabilities in Restaurant Brands International's assistant platform allowed complete control over 30,000+ Burger King, Tim Hortons, and Popeyes locations worldwide - including access to customer drive-thru audio rec…
Critical authentication bypass vulnerabilities in Restaurant Brands International's assistant platform allowed complete control over 30,000+ Burger King, Tim Hortons, and Popeyes locations worldwide - including access to customer drive-thru audio rec…
In a recent report about climate change from the U.S. Department of Energy (DoE), the authors state that “U.S. tide gauge measurements reveal no obvious acceleration beyond the historical ave…
I don’t have the time but I’d love to read this more thoroughly later.
One issue I have with change point models is the design of the model often assumes (or enables the likelihood function) to assume a change point exists. On a flat line it will fail to find a change point, but on a constant slope it will always select one.
I much prefer something like a restrictied cubic regression spline, where a change point can exist but the model has more freedom in accepting drift. Realistically most datasets don’t have a single change point, but there are plenty of times it’s worth asking.
In a recent report about climate change from the U.S. Department of Energy (DoE), the authors state that “U.S. tide gauge measurements reveal no obvious acceleration beyond the historical ave…
Ti capita che la stanza** giri o di sentirti confuso? Le **vertigini **sono molto più di un semplice capogiro e possono essere un campanello d'allarme importante per la tua salute. Distinguiamo tra vertigine oggettiva (il mondo gira) e soggettiva (sei tu a girare), ognuna con cause diverse: da problemi all'orecchio interno come la VPPB e la **labirintite, fino a stress, ansia o disturbi cervicali. Scopri quando le vertigini richiedono attenzione medica urgente e quali strategie puoi adottare per ritrovare la tua stabilità e il tuo benessere. Non sottovalutarle: il tuo corpo ti sta parlando!
An Amazon Echo owner has taken to social media to complain about their smart speakers, saying that the hardware is using too much data even when it's mostly unused. Dave W. Plummer, who helped develop the Windows Task Manager and ported Space Cadet Pinball to Windows, posted on X saying that his two Amazon Echo Show devices, which he said he "never" uses, exceeded 4 GB of data usage in 24 hours.
“There was the misconception that, because Africa is warm anyway, people are tolerant to the heat,” she said. “I think that tolerance level is now superseded.”
Declines in cooling sulfates combined with increases in greenhouse gas concentrations have increased the intensity and frequency of African heat waves. And the temperature spikes may be even more intense than has been recorded.
Live entertainment giant Ticketmaster recently inserted language into its user agreements that steers customer lawsuits into a corporate-friendly private justice system, just months after a federal judge ruled its use of such processes was illegal.
Thats a super cool visualization! This might make a really cool post for !dataisbeautiful@lemmy.world! Maybe a screenshot with a seperate link to the site
Actually there is a legal definition, a Public Benefit Corporation has statutes in its articles of incorporation which legally commit the company to pursue a set purpose which supersedes the fiduciary responsibility of the corporation to shareholders. This is important because it provides some degree of legal protection from activist shareholders suing the company for making spending or policy decisions which don't directly maximize shareholder value. The body of law around this issue is still relatively murky, but some defense is better than none at all.
For example, shareholders could attempt to sue BlueSky into increasing advertising placement or data sales functionality intothe core platform to increase company revenues, but if that is at odds with their stated public benefit purpose the legal team for BluSky would have grounds to attempt to dismiss the suit on the grounds that the shareholders purchase the shares under the explicit understanding that these functions would be subordinated to the public benefit goals of the platform.
No almost all of that is misconception. Shareholders can sue normal companies and "PBC" for not maximizing shareholder value. PBC are still legally required to cater to shareholders interests. Legal scholars say that PBCs do not provide any protection against shareholders suing and data shows it does not stop profit maximizing behavior. Its pure marketing.
Yes but we like mastodon because they're open and if they fuck up we can move away at any time. Bluesky is completely closed except the protocol and the network is fully centralized. They're just waiting until they have enough marketshare to enshitify.
Not at all. The issue with Bluesky's "federation" is, you can't really set it up at home, you need thousands of dollars and it's not really accessible.
Search up "Mastodon instances" and then "Bluesky instances" you see like thousands for Mastodon and only the official one for Bluesky. It's marketing gimmick for the mainstream normies who want to pretend they have freedom but in reality they're just jumping on the train with the billionaire who runs it.
This is an update to a Summer 2024 blog post. At the time, atproto relays required a cache of the full network on local disk to validate data structures. With the Sync v1.1 updates, relays don't need all that disk I/O.
[Edit: I see the problem, even with a self-hosted instance of 1, when you comment on posts in other instances that data is no longer held on your server, so you don't own it and can't control it directly, is that right?]
So as I understand it the big "advantage" of ATProtocol is the account portability via DID, however this is at the sacrifice of actually hosting an ATProtocol being extremely data heavy.
This has made me very curious about self-hosting ActivityPub (meaning an instance of 1 user), it would seem like focusing development on a client that makes it as close to as easy to self-host an instance as it is to join one would solve the issue of accountability portability, as you literally own all the data and rights when you self host. The Major challenge I see there is security, where experienced admins for larger instances should have some level of cybersecuroty expertise while the average use may have little to none. But then focusing group effort on auto-updating the client and the default settings of the client to maximize security would solve that issue it would seem?
So what am I missing? Other than hosting costs, what else is deferring a self-hosted-first development approach for the Fediverse?
Is it actually that AP development fundamentally believe moderation should be handled at the admin/instance level, and self-hosting makes moderation more difficult and less directly authority based?
Publicly shared blacklists and whitelists would seem the natural fit for a self-hosted-first network, akin to adblock and horizontal.
Edit: I see the problem, even with a self-hosted instance of 1, when you comment on posts in other instances that data is no longer held on your server, so you don’t own it and can’t control it directly, is that right?
The "problem" is also going the other way around. If a large instance is sharing data with your single user instance, they ultimately cannot control what you do with it.
Isn't that a non-problem? I mean, afaik, you cannot control any data after it's sent. If I send you an email with an attachment, I cannot stop you from forwarding it to everyone you know, nor can I stop you from editing it before forwarding. I guess it becomes a problem of reliability, then, which is only a problem if the original source is unavailable - which is not that uncommon in the fediverse.
It is a "problem" if your goal is full ownership and control over your user interactions and data footprint. ATProtocol in principle achieves this, you can delete or move your account and all your user interactions will be deleted or follow you (meaning edit permissions, full access to all the posts/comments, follows, updoots, etc.). The cost of this is a very high data load for the host, though I'm still not clear on exactly why it is so much more data intensive, is it the size of lookup instructions between hosts in addition to the actual markdown?
[Edit: I see the problem, even with a self-hosted instance of 1, when you comment on posts in other instances that data is no longer held on your server, so you don’t own it and can’t control it directly, is that right?]
Not quite. It's more like Bluesky works, but also not quite.
First, a note on the idea of "your" data. The law gives people rights over certain data. For example, copyright gives people rights over certain content, which translates to rights over data encoding that content. You may think of a movie as being yours because you have the file on your device. The copyright holder still considers it their data and will therefore demand control over your device through DRM.
Rights over data always means rights over what other people do with their computers and devices. Unfortunately, Fediverse users are not very tech-savvy. They demand more rights and regulations and then condemn Big Tech for the predictable consequences. They pull on one end of the string and blame dark powers when the other end moves.
The European GDPR also creates rights over certain data. You have GDPR rights over all data that is directly or indirectly related to you. For example, if I write about the current French President, then Emmanuel Macron has GDPR rights over that data, even if I don't mention him by name. Of course, his rights will be limited by freedom of information. Also, these rights are rarely recognized outside of Europe.
What legal rights you have over data depends on your location. Copyright is internationally recognized, but its precise reach depends on location; eg the US has Fair Use. Even at a specific location, those rights depend on context, with a lot of gray area. This cannot be implemented technically.
With Lemmy it's like this: When a user on an instance subscribes to a community, all (recent-ish) posts and comments in that community are downloaded to that instance. Users on that instance are served from their own instance.
Generally, a Fediverse instance keeps a copy of whatever data its local users might need. If your instance was the only source for some data, then every user in the whole world needing it would have to access your server every time they want it. Every user whether registered or unregistered would hit your server every time they reload. If a server buckles under the strain, you just get missing data. It just wouldn't scale.
Bluesky has Personal Data Servers (PDSs) for that role. Those are the definitive store of some user's data. This can be self-hosted easily. The data from all users is aggregated by a "relay", If a PDS is like a personal web server, then a relay is like a search engine. That's the one that you can't self-host; takes big time capital expenditure.
I don't think the Fediverse has a solution for this. Imagine Mastodon or Lemmy with 100M+ users. How do you find stuff? Well, making a crawler and search engine for the Fediverse would be simple. But that would also take major capital expenditure.
The Bluesky relay combines all activity into the "firehose". Anyone can write apps that get data from the firehose and present them to users. When Bluesky blocked Mississippi, that meant that the official Bluesky App did that. Other Apps still work in that state.
Final bit: When you self-host, you need to be your own legal department. When you use a service, you are shielded to some degree. Eg when you infringe copyright, a social media service will usually just take it down. If you infringe copyright on your web server, or even via torrent, you may get a pretty hefty bill.
Fedi-users cheer when Meta gets sued or settled with a huge fine. Well, good luck running your own Facebook server. Fedi-users mostly aren't very tech-savvy but when it gets to law, they are positively delusional.
The European Union and member states are criminally complicit in Libya when it comes to migration, said the head of the European Parliament's human rights committee.
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in reply to Alphane Moon • • •Sorting globally by comments in my main page(I block suspicious instances) brings the following post as the second most comments post, this year:
So, to put it simply.
Either the post I am suspicious of is highly lucky in comments or that the post comments is full of bots.
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Alphane Moon
in reply to Pro • • •I don't think it's strange that a post like the one in your OP would be top (in terms of comments) for the year, with or without deleted comments.
Doesn't unreasonable.
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dhork
in reply to Pro • • •When I click that link, and go there in a browser without logging in, I only see 70ish comments listed. But I also see a lot of removed comments as I scroll down, mostly from a single user. My uneducated guess is that there was already some chicanery in the thread, which the Mods have dealt with, and you are seeing the result of that.
As far as what can be done about it, there really is little to be done, as log as Lemmy remains open (and federated). Posts and comments hop around from one instance to the other, and while some instances can take a hard line against bots some other instance can be more permissive then it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. Active, open moderation is the best cure, but takes effort.
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in reply to FishFace • • •I see as showing 13,627. So probably script/s.
Which also explains my being banned from an instance after sleepily uninstalling my particular browser which stores passwords, rather than merely rm'ing from the home screen. I couldn't find my key at reinstallation, so had to rereg for some instances, then a few days later found it and was able to recover passwords. I can easily see why the admin of that instance assumed
It happens. But I'm not bothering with re-regging.
nocturne
in reply to Pro • • •@FuckingHellGenocida@lemmy.cafe has a ton of deleted comments, then this comment replies to one of them. in which
@GenocideCuntFuckoff@lemmings.world replies over 2000 times.
You also have this comment asking about bots. To which JordanLund replies it is a single person running scripts. His reply garners nearly 1300 replies from @ZioDumbokrat69@lemmings.world
Between those two sets of replies, that is 3,310 of the comments. This is not counting the top level comment spam.
There are only a handful of comments remaining in the thread. Less than 20 legitimate comments.
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in reply to Pro • • •Its all from one spammer who threadiverse folks regularly talk about needing to manage spam from (if I'm not mistaken about who it is. They change usernames all the time and I don't keep up with their accounts cause I'm not an admin)
The mods appear to have dealt with the issue appropriately. For me it only shows 77 comments as the "count", but there are like a bajillion deleted comments by the same guy
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in reply to Cris • • •Cris
in reply to Pro • • •Sorry, I know getting lots of the same response can be a bit much
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in reply to Pro • • •god that's toxic. is lemmings.world a common instance to see that kind of unhinged shit from? I'm considering blocking the instance to prevent ever interacting with one of that guy's alts
edit: apparently it's a known problem. but yeah it's only a matter of time before somebody like that starts hedging their bets and trying other places