A VPN that grants network-level privacy on mobile by routing app traffic through Tor, assigns each app a separate circuit for improved separation, bypasses app-level censorship, features per-app routing, security via Rust-based implementation, and awaits early adopter feedback.
Orbot is a free VPN and proxy app that empowers other apps to use the internet more securely. Orbot uses Tor to encrypt your Internet traffic and then hides it by bouncing through a series of computers around the world. Tor is free software and an open network that helps you defend against a form of network surveillance that threatens personal freedom and privacy, confidential business activities and relationships, and state security known as traffic analysis.
Yes, I know, there are several alternatives, I use InviZible Pro, which also use TOR, but it's always good to present also other OpenSource alternatives and the TOR VPN is a very recient release. El rest depends on the user which fits best his needs.
Looks slick, sounds sweet. Maybe there's deeper lore, but all I think of is the Librem 5 when I hear about hardware kill switches. Might consider it if it includes amenities like a decently replaceable battery, headphone jack, micro SD slot, and relockable bootloader.
So this kill switch will auto delete all the telemetry /e/ collects by default, including the Voice data Sent to OpenAI? right? RIGHT?
Btw, if you dont understand their text, let me translate it for you
We took out loans from a bunch of venture capitalists in order to make a phone with a weird gimmick which is completely unnecessary since our OS collects your Data by default and dosent care about your Privacy at all anyway, just so we can please a crowd of tech hippies who have no idea about actual privacy but want to look cool by switching off their Camera after posting their 24/7 location on facebook and letting ChatGPT analyze their breakup text. (Also btw we have to somehow pay back those millions by raising our stock prizes, so stay tuned for our cloud selling your unencrypted photos because we have to enshittify).
The only reason to have hardware switches is if you fear that you've been compromised. And if you've been compromised, why would you continue to use a compromised phone for things that need your location or access to your camera?
And if you go in with the expectation of „this phone is going to be compromised”, just remove the Camera and everything and attach a Webcam or Mic for whenever you really need it. This way you can actually verify easily if its on, instead of having a mm button that can be easily toggled while putting the phone away
They are worse then Linaege. Linaege at least supports local system backups. With /e/, you have to use their own unencrypted servers.
(Also btw they support Phones with not anymore updated firmware, which partially allows script kiddies with a flipper zero to exploit your chipset)
I can tattoo „privacy first” on the inside of my asscheek. Dosent mean it actually means anything.
Like I said, /e/ is not at all better than LinaegeOS, but instead takes the OK LinaegeOS, adds their own insecure services, removes everything that could be more secure, and misrepresents what is essentially a LinaegeOS Flavor as
As I was reading the Murena’s terms of use I discovered that the voice to text feature introduced with e/OS/ 3.0 is using the Open AI API. That means our voice is sent to Open AI so they can translate it to text.
Please tell me, where I can enable Seedvault or another local backup service without having to root my phone first or use apps like shiziku.
YES, I HAVE to use Murena services in order to back up my /e/ is phone without compromising security via root or shizuku. Prove me wrong, and send me a fucking video about it.
While I appreciate your desire to improve privacy for yourself and others, you are again inventing things (optional service as if everybody using /e/OS had it, relying on Murena services where not everybody does it) from your very narrow perspective as if it was the truth. Again I imagine your ultimate goal is to help people to find a better alternative (which is something I hope too) but I can't spend more energy arguing with made up problems. I hope others who do read your words and are exhilarated by your passion and the strength of your words do still go check the source of the claims you make but I don't want to have this kind of conversations again so safer to block. Take care of yourself.
Edit: to clarify, Google is the enemy. Meta is the enemy. Amazon is the enemy. etc, not you, not me, not Murena, not LineageOS, not whatever tiny project of the Internet is trying to do slightly less worst than BigTech and surveillance capitalism.
auto delete all the telemetry /e/ collects by default, including the Voice data Sent to OpenAI?
You are back with your FUD. I don't know what you have against /e/OS specifically or if you are genuinely paranoid but in this specific instance you are making stuff up! I clarified in lemmy.ml/post/35472063 so maybe a language barrier because the post you linked to was in French but the STT service is
NOT on by default
for paying customers only (0 chance that a random person would activate it and thus be shocked)
tries to anonymize the data
So... that's not even telemetry, that's like activating a service which the company explicitly said relied on OpenAI in the first place, people STILL paid for it AND activated it. They can't be surprised that it's sending anything to OpenAI then.
Come on, help us make this community better. We have enough problems with BigTech, small tech and more that we do NOT need to invent problems!
PS: also the reasoning about the presence on kill switch is ... just plain silly. The PinePhones are running Linux, no Android, no /e/OS/ or whoever actor you might dislikes, OSes built by others, e.g. PmOS, Ubuntu, etc and yet still have hardware kill switches.
/e/ OS does a little trolling and sends all your Text to Voice data to OpenAI for processing and Speech generation.
First of all, to anyone downvoting my Comments about /e/ being a piece of shit, because...
they advertise themselves as degoogled, but instead let you connect to Google/Microsoft/etc services
replace all the propriatery not at all Secure Services from Google, with.... Drumroll please.... Propriatery and not at all Secure Services from themselves and actively encourage it.
They are For-profit
and being MORE out of date then even Fairphones stock roms.
... I told you so. Dm your Instance admin, pay them to send the DB entries of your Downvotes on a Thumb drive (or anything else from SSD to 3.5 inchHDD, depending on your preferences), and shove it up your rectum.
But a TL;DR:
/E/ is not Private. They just switch one bad comany to another one.
This is a Private OS. They should not have this integration, since there are more than enough FOSS alternatives.
for paying customers only
Dosent change my point.
tries to anonymize the data
Tries. Tries. Tries.
They claim to be private. They incorporate a non private Service even though there are valid alternatives. Thats where this discussion starts and ends.
It being sandboxed doesn't prevent it from doing whatever the fuck it wants within the confines of the sandbox, and that sandbox has to be pretty wide to be functional.
Like, which is worse:
An os that ships with an opt-in kinda privacy unfriendly locked behind a paywall.
An os that ships google play services, which you need to give all sorts of permissions for apps to function, and requires a google account.
To quote you:
They claim to be private. They incorporate a non private Service even though there are valid alternatives. Thats where this discussion starts and ends.
See how that applies to graphene shipping google play services instead of microG?
Not commenting on the other stuff but people should get used to the fact that anonymized private data is still private, so a so-called privacy app should not be leaking or disclosing or selling it. It might be LESS invasive than personally identifiable data, but it's not NON-invasive.
Who is willing to pay for it after all? Almost certainly, someone who is up to no good. And if you can think of a way it can possibly be misused, then enabling that misuse is invasive.
I'll preface my answer to clarify that I'm against surveillance capitalism and privacy Zuckering. I say that in the open, do not use Google services, Amazon, have my own PeerTube instance, IoT at home is HomeAssistant with ZigBee, etc. So my goal here is NOT to cut some slack to anyone.
I started with this because I'm not actually sure what you are referring to. Since my initial comment is about Murena STT I'll assume it's that but if not please correct me. This specific service... is not a compromise I would accept. So I'm in NO way advocating for me. The only thing I'm clarifying is that this service is not something one can "stumble upon" and enable without paying attention. That's why I put such recurring emphasis on it. It's not coherent with "sharing all data" or imagining a scenario where somebody buys an /e/OS phone Murena and somehow ending up getting their data leaked (due to the potentially imperfect anonymization) to OpenAI. One has to activate it and to do so one must be a Murena services paying customer. This is not the case when "just" installing /e/OS. So once again I'm not saying Murena is perfect, not even that it did the right choice (according to my own privacy preferences) my relying on OpenAI, and yet that problem is not relevant to most people who use /e/OS.
To make a quick a analogy it's like installing WhatsApp on a privacy OS phone. Sure you technically can do that but if you do and complain about how Meta is collecting your data then you did it on yourself, you can't blame the OS developers.
I don't understand what you're saying above, but my point is that disclosing any info to adversaries is invasive even if the anonymization is 100% perfect. The potential imperfection makes it worse, but that's a side issue.
An example is polling. Some terrible politician X wants to know what voters think of issue Y, like "35% in favor". So she hires a polling firm to call people and ask their opinions about Y, with the result being completely anonymized and aggregated, again, like "35% in favor". What will X do with that info? Something bad, of course! We said at the beginning that they are terrible!
So do you want to cooperate with such a poll, that X commissioned to serve an evil purpose? Of course not! Or at least, I hope of course not. In that case, what do you think of software that effectively enrolls you in such a poll against your wishes?
If your private activity is being statistically reported to your adversaries, your privacy is being invaded even if there is zero PII in what the adversary gets. This is infosec 101. A quotation due to Silvio Micali is "a good disguise does not reveal the person's height". Statistically summarized information is still information, and calling it otherwise is self-serving nonsense. You want to give the adversary NO information. Anonymization is irrrelevant.
My point isn't really about the implementation per se (I'm aware of the limitation since at least 2011 by reading then Link Prediction by De-anonymization: How We Won the Kaggle Social Network Challenge so more than a decade ago) but rather that the "solution" Murena offers is not a mandatory service. If people want to use it, they can. I do not want to, I do NOT have to. I'm not arguing that their solution is good, or bad, only that it's optional.
This paper describes the winning entry to the IJCNN 2011 Social Network Challenge run by Kaggle.com. The goal of the contest was to promote research on real-world link prediction, and the dataset was a graph obtained by crawling the popular Flickr so…
Well they say "kill switches are located beneath the battery cover and can be switched with a paperclip or similar tool, so it is not easy to switch them regularly, but for shifting the camera and microphone OFF for longer times they are very suitable"
Got a CMF1 with /e/OS since ~February (cf my history of comments to see the ups and downs, overall happy with both) ... and I admit I'm tempted. I obviously don't need it and having a relative cheap (~350EUR) feels pretty nice to me. Maybe if I want an upgrade later on but for now I'll stick to what I have.
Murena SHIFTphone 8: The sustainable, modular smartphone with privacy-focused /e/OS and a hardware kill switch. Enjoy a 6.67″ AMOLED display and expandable storage up to 512GB.
Jesus, the constant attempt at undermining murena by some users with falsehoods and misrepresentation is quite concerning here. Reminiscent of certain private OS devs having public mtdowns.
Indeed, it's quite tiring especially when IMHO the goal is to decouple from large dominating actors that are obviously worst. I think the initial motivation is positive, namely genuinely improve privacy, but it goes to such extreme that no compromise is possible (which even that is fine) to actually inventing scenarii that aren't real to make the point.
TL;DR: let's focus on doing better than the popular worst offenders (random recent example) and eventually keep on improving without pushing imperfect projects down
Google misled users about their privacy and now owes them $425m, says court
A court ordered Google to pay $425 million after finding the company misled 98 million users about data collection through its "Web & App Activity" setting1. The case revealed Google continued gathering user data via Firebase, a monitoring database embedded in 97% of top Android apps and 54% of leading iOS apps, even after users disabled data collection1.
Google's internal communications showed the company was "intentionally vague" about its data collection practices because being transparent "could sound alarming to users," according to district judge Richard Seeborg1.
This ruling adds to Google's recent privacy settlements, including: - $392 million paid to 40 states in 2023 for location tracking violations - $40 million to Washington state for similar location tracking issues - $1.38 billion to Texas in 2025 over location tracking and incognito mode claims1
Google plans to appeal the $425 million verdict, with spokesperson Jose Castaneda stating "This decision misunderstands how our products work" and asserting that Google honors user privacy choices1.
Please just officially support Linux mobile on it as an option. I don't care if it buggy and barely usable, most Android phone companies actively make it almost impossible to install anything other than Android.
They all use the base package from the chipset vendor. It only supports android and only for a given number of years. I wouldn't be surprised if the license was massively invasive.
Basically, there's no drivers and no documentation for most mobile hardware outside of manufacturer contracts.
Can someone clarify: according to Murena's website, they use /e/OS, which is what they call "degoogled" Android. I would assume degoogled means no Play Store. If that's the case, what's going to happen next year, when Google starts blocking installing .apks by unverified developers? Which, I'm assuming, is a good chunk of developers who have apps on F-Droid.
Indeed, by default AFAICT they provide ~~Aurora Store and F-Droid~~ App Lounge (edited: was a little while so I forgot, I install F-Droid on every Android device I have as a reflex).
Regarding the consequence... well I don't know the future. Maybe alternative stores will have a "trick" so that they are considered verified and thus can install other .apk, or maybe it won't matter for rooted phones anyway.
No worries Google's actions against installing apks from outside the Play Store will only influence Android, not any of the other operating systems that are based on the Android Open Source Project (AOSP)
Presumably google is going to block app installation via a google service. If you do not have google services in your phone there's nothing to block you.
When the West signs an agreement, it is mainly to better bend it, twist it... then throw it away—a reality that Russia must absolutely remember at every
Luigi Mangione scored a major legal victory on Tuesday with a judge dismissing the two top state charges against him: first-degree murder and second-degree murder, both of which prosecutors had argued were terrorism crimes.
Mangione still faces an additional second-degree murder charge, as well as a federal murder charge, in the killing of United HealthCare executive Brian Thompson last December.
The judge overseeing Mangione’s state criminal case, Gregory Carro, said “the evidence put forth was legally insufficient” for the two terrorism-related charges, in a written decision that was posted during a 15-minute proceeding in Manhattan court on Tuesday.
“Counts 1 and 2, charging defendant with Murder in the First Degree (in furtherance of an act of terrorism) and Murder in the Second Degree as a Crime of Terrorism, are dismissed as legally insufficient,” Carro wrote. “The People presented legally sufficient evidence of all other counts, including Murder in the Second Degree (intentional).”
Luigi Mangione scored a major legal victory on Tuesday with a judge dismissing the two top state charges against him: first-degree murder and second-degree murder, both of which prosecutors had argued were terrorism crimes.
Mangione still faces an additional second-degree murder charge, as well as a federal murder charge, in the killing of United HealthCare executive Brian Thompson last December.
The judge overseeing Mangione’s state criminal case, Gregory Carro, said “the evidence put forth was legally insufficient” for the two terrorism-related charges, in a written decision that was posted during a 15-minute proceeding in Manhattan court on Tuesday.
“Counts 1 and 2, charging defendant with Murder in the First Degree (in furtherance of an act of terrorism) and Murder in the Second Degree as a Crime of Terrorism, are dismissed as legally insufficient,” Carro wrote. “The People presented legally sufficient evidence of all other counts, including Murder in the Second Degree (intentional).”
Rather than act to end Israel's genocide in Gaza, western leaders rally behind a French-Saudi scheme for fictive statehood that entrenches Israeli supremacy and props up the PA
Five hours after Charlie Kirk was shot this week, an Atlanta man got a phone call from an Illinois police officer asking about a photo he shared with a couple of close friends on a private Discord chat. The Atlanta man, who asked not to be identified, says the post was merely a confirmation that he had purchased the same T-shirt that the accused killer wore (from an Illinois-based online shop).
Social media companies are generally forbidden by law from divulging users’ private communications to the government without a traditional legal process (e.g., court order). But there’s an exception: in perceived emergencies, social media platforms can proactively and “voluntarily” hand over private messages in response to what’s called an “emergency disclosure request” (EDR).
Discord, I am told, did not respond to any EDR here; but when I asked them directly if they’d provided law enforcement with information to traditional legal process, they declined to respond on-record.
The FBI, or the intelligence community, evidently is monitoring Discord private messaging, even from people who have broken no law.
Full blown Orwellian world. Run for local government and stop this shit.
The largest populated areas are left leaning. If they ae controlled by democratic socialist, we can restrict this shit. Just by pure numbers.
I saw this coming in 1999 when Scott McNealy inadvertantly spilled the beans on what his hateful industry was up to, and I have been extremely cautious about what I've been posting ever since. People have called me a paranoid crackpot for decades. I guess I hate to tell you I told you so...
At the Monday night launch of Sun Microsystems' new Jini technology, CEO Scott McNealy calls consumer privacy a non-issue. The Federal Trade Commission has another view. By Polly Sprenger.
De-google and open source has been my push this year. I'm not the most knowledgeable but I don't trust these companies.
I stopped using social media for almost 20 years. Only anonymous chats like this are used. Everything goes through a VPN and I always think that someone else is reading my stuff.
Ask yourself: can you say or post absolutely everything that falls under free speech - i.e. not calls to violence of civil disturbance? Do you feel like you can safely talk about all subjects without being cancelled or sued?
As soon as you start thinking twice about whether you can say something safely, that's censorship. Censorship isn't someone breathing over your neck saying "Be careful what you say", it's you self-censoring so you don't get into trouble.
not a single person gives a shit about charlie kirk; the whole crackdown is because politicians got a glimpse ofhow people will react when they die and they don't like it.
They don't give a shit about that either. Trump has been trying to goat people into violence and he final got his wish (possibly by his own people). They are seizing on that. That is why he moved the national guard into memphis TN. He wants marshall law to hold power forever.
Since we're making corrections, the word is "goad," not "goat." You try to "goad" people into behavior or choices they wouldn't normally make.
I try not to correct people much anymore if their message is still pretty obvious. I realized that offering too many corrections could cause people to post less, and I didn't want to be the cause of that. But the fact that you were already willing to edit goaded me into suggesting another correction.
Using ICE and the national guard to overthrow the people. Well you always need a secret police force and military to tale over. He just picked the dumbest ones.
Todays news outlets if sent back to 1945: Underrated painter shot in the head by maniacal racist in Berlin. German outrage over frantic celebrations across Europe.
Ken Klippenstein has done amazing work and broke multiple stories.
This is not a smear against discord but a reveal of how the government is operating. If you don't think it is a privacy issue then you don't know what privacy is. Being a fan boy doesn't change what is happening.
Use discord all you want but your point is baseless about the story.
Apologies, I wasn't criticizing the article, or you for sharing it. It's a tricky sentence, especially if English isn't your first language - the "but" changes the subject. Article is definitely privacy related.
What isn't privacy related is my opinion about subtack. I don't mean to derail, so will let anyone reading this look up why ss sucks and make their own decision.
Gotcha. SS has a troubling history. One could argue journalist have a open door policy.
How do you say one is a journalist while another isn't? Today, anyone can be a journalist and a lot of traditional journalist are doing their own thing.
Even credible outlets are changing. The New Your Times was considered top tier but now..... lord have mercy. Billionaires are buying up and interfering with the companies. And then we have private equity firms, the lice found on the flies that eat shit.
Yes, I wonder what journalists ("professional" and otherwise) are supposed to do. Everyone going their own way and splintering off into many little voices doesn't feel like the right answer, but publishers are beholden to investors and can be bought out by billionaires. I suppose there are publishers/agencies that have maintained their integrity like 404 Media, or Al Jazeera.
Maybe this is just the burden of anyone in a democracy: to constantly weigh the quality of the sources of information you're using to form opinions which spawn action.
Getting funding from South Korea might be an option. They probably want the Trump Regime to go away, so that they can carry on business without a toddler doing stupid shit.
If a civil war happens, I suspect the Blue States would get a great deal of foreign support. "Fuck that guy", would be a big part of that. The other part being "I want a reliable business partner." Kinda like how the Confederates were boned internationally when it came to trade. Plus, it would be an easy way to earn favors with whatever institution that displaces Trumpkins.
I used to subscribe to several SS newsletters that switched to Ghost, which is how I found out about it. But I wouldn't have even noticed if they hadn't told me.
You may as well assume that anything done on public social media is being read, searched and filtered in real-time by law enforcement and intelligence agencies.
Given the trajectory of this administration in persecuting people for their political affiliation, dumping commercial social media should be an imperative for everyone who isn't goose stepping.
That's been the case for 10 years. Unless it's e2ee, it's public record and can be tied to your real name with a minimal amount of paperwork.
Before I comment anything anywhere, I imagine it being read in a court room in a monotone voice. Bip bop dippity dop, the judge in this case is a swell person and I hope they have a lovely day!
Sounds like a CSAM case for a motivated partisan prosecutor.
People break the law, as it is written, way more than they think. Selective enforcement to target political rival groups is very much in the playbook here.
It is less safe to speak in public today than it was 2 years ago, and it is only getting worse. Protecting your privacy also means protecting yourself from mob justice when they decide you're the new target group.
Discord is private social media, and most users think their messages aren't shared with government without a warrant. Of course it's possible in this case Discord didn't even provide the messages "to police", but that the police just subscribe to their commercial data-sharing and enjoy the same real-time access that way.
It was said in a Discord chat. Discord chats are not private, you agree to that in the TOS when you sign up.
There are always people monitoring the chats, voice and video, looking for illegal activities. Something was said in that conversation that their algorithm flagged for human review and that person sent it to law enforcement.
You have zero privacy on any social media. Everything that you write is viewable by the service owner and they actively look for things to report to law enforcement.
Companies pay lip service to your privacy, but at the end of the day they’ll turn you in the instant it suits them. If you want privacy, you use encryption so that your privacy is guaranteed by mathematics.
Sad fact that we live in a world that his death accomplished more then his life. We all knew he was a Trump asset but I never thought it would be like this.
I really do worry tools like whatever the naperville pd using here are going result in a lot of damage and upturned lives once their use becomes more casual, like god knows what's going to happen with the president declaring random political views terrorism
no real court orders were involved, the article mentions a EDR wasn't invoked, no push back from discord over what sounds like some sort of dump or access to all images uploaded to the service
Lol, okay. As the vast majority of people have no clue and no interest in utilizing those tools. No interest in understanding threat vectors and cryptography. Cooked was a bit glibb, but the general "we", I do not see your optimism.
"Privacy is a right"... sure, so is healthcare and shelter... I am sure those policies are going global really soon.
As the vast majority of people have no clue and no interest in utilizing those tools.
I can't agree more. A few family members got really paranoid about their communications being monitored after Trump was elected again, so I offered to show them Signal or Element. Nah, no interest, "too hard". They still text even with the fucking US government itself warning people it's a very insecure medium.
I'm hoping that disinterest changes after a few people get locked up based on social media PMs, but don't have all that much hope.
With words, you dopy twat. You can watch Kirk right now, getting his ass handed to him in debate on youtube. Stop acting like murder is the only option you have.
Americans are weird dude, even their leftists are gun happy and to the rest of us around the world it’s baffling. But they were born and steeped in this lunacy so they don’t see the problem
Yes, so just the capitalist states and mercenaries should have guns. . . before you say "total disarmament," not gonna happen, arms are how the capitalists enforce property domination. It's impossible to abolish class without guns because they're going to forever wield guns to protect their class positions. Thus, under no pretext.
You guys are all talk, if you had guns to oppose tyranny then wtf are you waiting for!? Get to it, Americans are being thrown in gulags and free speech is being surpressed, so grab your guns and get to work ffs!
Words are sufficient only in a system that prioritizes broad wellbeing (as opposed to prioritizing the billionaires), when such a system works well, is healthy, is valued by most, etc.
We don't have it. We have a "every man for himself" and "got mine, fuck you" system.
I hate to say it, if anyone wants something in our system now, they have to take it by fiat and force. The fascists get it. They use the methods that work, it's just that their desired end state is intolerable shit for most. If their end state had freedom and human rights for everyone, most would forgive the methods.
Stop saying fascists, youve all used that word to fucking much and it now means fuck all.
People are still going on holidays, people are still buying houses, people are still getting jobs and paying rent and every thing else people have always done. Youre just spreading nonsense to play your part in the dumb as fuck culture wars. YOU and people like you, are why Trump is a thing. Yes, thats right, YOU. You, who plays the dumb games of culture wars, who calls a person who dont like star wars a fucking nazi. You created this nightmare world were extremism is everywhere.
Ofc you are an enlightened centrist-libtard-to be gefreiter @ einsatzgruppen. Go on, blame the left, suck up the narrative, surely history started yesterday and nothing similar to this ever happened. Grow a fucking brain or follow your leader, either way gtfo
No, the spreading of hate was the talking heads who told you he said things he never said. All the grifters and influencers and main stream news outlets who cherry picked the things he said, to make him look much worse than he is.
Like when he said that people accept that people die so they can have the 2A. You think thats extremism, yet dont ever bother to repeat the rest of what he said, when talking about the shit that society puts up with to have things. Like cars, we accept that 50k people a year will die because we want to drive cars. Its the same argument, but you take it away and all of sudden hes some nutjob claiming kids dying is a good thing.
Take away the 2A and you are at the mercy of a tyrannical government. The price of that safe guard is that some people will die. Exact same thing with cars, and knives, and whatever else. Everything has a cost. EVERYTHING. That was his point. And youd be dumb to disagree with it.
You can argue that we dont need guns, theres nothing wrong with that. But the logic is there.
You don't seem to understand that we are already using words, and it's getting us nowhere. These people understand that we want to use words, and they have weaponized our need for peaceful discussion against us.
Peaceful negotiations only work when both sides are operating in good faith. Not only are the MAGAs not operating in good faith, they view that as an enormous weakness to be exploited. So they tease us along, offering opportunities to negotiate, but they are just distractions, to keep their grift and oppression going longer, and deepening.
Hopefully, we will eventually negotiate our way out of this, but it is looking more and more unlikely by the day. Anyone who has read any history knows that sooner or later, it will almost certainly take some level of violence to unseat the MAGA disease that is afflicting the world.
We should start getting used to that idea now, before we need it for real.
So, dopey twat was being kind? Its fucking scary how radicalised you are. Absolute nutjobs. But hey, at least you didnt wish I would die... I guess youve got that going for you...
You guys are all talk, you just want guns to shoot at stuff cause it’s cool. You keep saying you need guns to stand up to tyrants, well get the fuck to it! What are you waiting for??? Hes literally cancelling free speech and throwing Americans into gulags, what the fuck are you waiting for???
Socialist Democrates whant's to destroy e2ee in sweden to both parties is anti encryption and pro mass surveillance. They are fighting against eachother of "who can introduce most surveillance and police state laws first"
Tjis is really the only thing anyone should pay attention to. Assassinating Peter Theil is a good first step to stopping this surveillance state. He wants to destroy humans to make way for transhumans. The war has begun.
That's what happens when you let billionaires operate unchecked. Billionaires have the ability to operate like an independent nation of one, fucking up the works for real nations who are trying to take care of their people.
Billionaires should either be prohibited, or their expenditures should be tightly regulated. Make them get permission from a regulatory panel before they can spend their money.
"No, you already have a yacht, you don't need another. Just for being shitty enough to request a SECOND yacht, that money will be earmarked to build homeless shelters instead. Anything else?"
Kurds have been Erdoğan'a greatest friends over the years. When Erdoğan called for a referendum in 2010 to abolish the independent judiciary (the infamous "yetmez ama evet" referandum), support from Kurdish nationalists was critical for Erdoğan's victory.
One thing that happened was that the Turkish leader Erdogan, visited Trump during his first administration, and after the meeting, Erdogan's security force attacked people who were legally protesting. A visiting head-of-state's private security came to America and beat-up legal protesters on American soil - and the Trump administration did nothing.
More like all humans really, these bastards just happen to be cops. But unlike the US, they arrested the cops immediately, and they are even keeping them (except the driver) in jail before trial. So some cops over there are doing thier job at least.
Denmark did not invite the United States to take part in a large-scale international military exercise on Greenland this week, as it had previously, as tensions remain high over President Donald Trump’s intention to acquire the Danish territory.
The exercise, the largest in Greenland’s modern history, comes amid increased interest in the Arctic region and its vast natural resources from other large powers, such as Russia and China.
It included contributions from the militaries of several European NATO allies, according to the Danish military. More than 550 people and soldiers took part, including more than 70 from France, Germany, Norway and Sweden.
It comes as the Arctic region is becoming more of a priority to various superpowers, friend and foe. Greenland is the world's largest island that is not a continent, and beyond its strategic potential, the island is rich in natural resources, home to 25 of the 34 minerals categorized as “critical raw materials” by the European Commission. Some of these minerals include those essential to the production of phones and computer chips.
Anderson emphasized the potential threat of Russia and China to reporters.
“We need Greenland for national security and even international security,” Trump said during an address to Congress in March, pointing to the influence of other global powers in the Arctic, specifically Russia and China. “And I think we’re going to get it one way or the other,” he added. Trump is trying to boost production of computer chips in the United States, which rely on minerals present in Greenland for production
Danish officials have made it clear that Trump’s interest in the region is not welcome.
The use of "tunneling" usually implies wrapping a protocol inside another, so it wouldn't be mimicking QUIC, but rather be a genuine stream. I assume from the quote
Yeah their CEO said some weird shit last year. They also just rolled out an LLM chat bot this year. Sketchy company heavily leaning into enshittification.
I switched to Proton at one point because they're one of the last few providers to offer port forwarding, but I recently cancelled it and went back to Mullvad.
Slowing growth in factory output and retail sales prompts calls for fresh economic stimulus
China’s economy showed further signs of weakness last month as it comes under strain from Donald Trump’s trade wars and domestic problems, with factory output and consumer spending rising at their slowest pace for about a year.
The disappointing data adds pressure on Beijing to roll out more stimulus to fend off a sharp slowdown, with a debt crisis denting the country’s once-booming property sector and exports facing stronger headwinds.
Economists were split over whether policymakers should introduce more near-term fiscal support to hit their annual 5% growth target, with manufacturers awaiting further clarity on a US trade deal and domestic demand curbed by an uncertain job market and property crisis.
Probably only considered a slowdown because China comes from enormous growth.
Industrial output grew by 5.2% year on year last month
That's exactly what I thought, after almost 5 decades of near 10% annual growth, 5.2% is obviously less, but most countries would love to have 5.2% which AFAIK is more than mostly any industrialized country, or western country or democracy.
What's called terrible news for China would be awesome almost everywhere else.
The activity data point to a further loss of momentum
French unions have been mounting nationwide protests against planned budget cuts, halting transport and blocking streets. Pre-dawn clashes took place as Prime Minister Sebastien Lecornu faces his first major challenge.
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Lavrov is just pissed that Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and set off the chain of events that led to the US entering WWII, defeating the Nazis, and getting The Bomb first.
The Soviets had promised at Yalta to enter the war in the Pacific within 3 months of the war ending in Europe. And they did launch an attack on Manchuria at 3 months to the day. Hardly feet dragging.
In fact, them being about to launch the attack, was one of the deciding factors on Truman dropping the nukes on Japan. He wanted to prevent the Soviets fron capturing territory that they would be reluctant to give up in the end. And he also knew that the USSR entering the war in the pacific would be what really pushed Japan to surrender. He didn't want to lose the opportunity to show off the new toys to scare the Soviets.
So not doing something until being forced into a commitment and then waiting until the last possible moment to Honor that commitment is somehow not feet dragging to you?
I don't really get the point of this comment... I'm no fan of the USSR, but am I supposed to be mad at them about this? They weren't at war with Japan. They were a little busy defending their homeland, and I don't believe Japan ever directly attacked them (someone will probably prove me wrong about this).
"Curse those lazy Soviets for not immediately starting a two front war after losing 11 million people to the Nazis. Respecting the agreements made at the Yalta conference regarding an invasion of Japan, to the letter, was ACTUALLY mendacious."
You realize that after losing 11 million people in a enduring and cataclysmic war, it may take some time to prepare for a war on the totally opposite front?
I dont even know why I'm engaging with this whitewashing. This isn't even what the OP is about.
The fact of the matter is that Japan has not handled the outcome of WWII well at all. Namely the Nanjing Massacre.
By this i mean, grandma checking her email and the IT pro with 10 NAS setup are the perfect linux users.
But us in the middle who pretend we're smart...its a damn hard road. And then helping others to switch when youre not yet a pro is even harder, though a good learning experience.
Getting games to work perfectly, audio issues, Bluetooth issues, vr setups are far harder to do, running older obscure software, hooking up obscure hardware, using external drives, music production, these are some examples of things that will be extremely hard on linux vs windows for the majority of middle users.
However id say it is worth it if you like learning thousands of weird terms and phrases and putting in many hours of frustration to solve a problem. (Have you tried using floop to Docker the peeble?). It is very satisfying fixing an issue and figuring out why it happened!
Still, when im forced to use windows I see how bad its become, so im sticking with linux!
I had a crisis too some years ago, when Windows 7 was the shit, I heard Windows 7 was very good (for Windows). So I tried to dual boot Windows 7, goddam a load of crap!! I'll never believe anyone claiming Windows is good again. The structure of security is a bloody mess, providing worse security, while taking control away from the owner of the system. And lack of package manager makes it ask for updates at the most inopportune moments. Just a tiny program like Adobe reader was super invasive, and was a major pain in the ass.
Windows is not in any way user friendly, it's just what most people are used to.
Window XP was probably the best and last good Windows version... 10 was kinda okay without all the telemetry shit and bloatware.
Windows 11 feels like macOS with extra steps + spyware on every move, click, clipboard copylpast.... Wouldn't go near that stuff even with full protection and debloat ^^ Just remove that shit and install linux instead.
Yeah I feel you... Sorry about that :/ ! At work you probably don't have a choice, however at home, you are free to choose whatever makes you comfortable.
A few months ago I wrote out some recommendations around the same theme here. Extracts:
A good start is to install tldr. You use it like man, but it gives you shorter explanations – or rather, a short list of illustrative examples.
Going further, check out Fish instead of Bash. I haven’t use Fish yet, but it’s said to be much better for learning Linux commands as a beginner. Later on, you may switch to Zsh. In any case, hitting Tab once or twice will often give you a list of possible completions to the command you are typing.
Also, I hugely recommend reading at least one book about Linux. I'm now almost through with the O’Reilly book “Classic Shell Scripting” by Robbins and Beebe (ISBN 9780596005955). Despite the fact that it's 20 years old, it helped me hugely – primarily with the shell and its commands, but also with understanding things like file structure.
It presupposes some familiarity with Unix-like systems and with the shell, so if one’s just starting out, the book “Learning the Unix Operating System” may be better.
External drives? Usually on most distros and file managers, it’s just one click.
I have had a bit of a horrid time with Bluetooth, though, especially when it comes to audio. However, I will say Linux allows you to do some nuts things with Bluetooth like emulate a Nintendo Switch controller with NXBT, allowing you to use a PlayStation controller on a Switch with a spare laptop.
As for audio, I feel like life has gotten much better for the layman since Pipewire.
I don’t think VR setups are that common, and the Venn diagram of VR owners and Linux users has to be even smaller. I’ve probably only known 2 people who actually own a headset, and both of them were standalone Oculus affairs.
Overall, I feel like it’s possible to conceptually understand Linux and which config file is while, while Windows registry is an incomprehensible beast. Also, it feels like Linux tends to have better errors that correlate to a specific problem, whereas the same Windows error could be caused by many different things and lead you on a wild goose chase through forum posts filled with generic advice and dead ends.
Not to say you are wrong in general, just a personal anecdote: i run Debian, everytime i need to upgrade from one major Version to the next I work for a day, dont get it done, cry, and then setup all my 3 PCs from scratch. (And NO a rolling release like arch or tumbleweed is not the solution, as I am not smart enough to manage different versions of dependencies and everything breaks at somepoint, Debian is at least stable between the major releases) My vive wireless will not work under Linux so I need to keep a dual boot windows on the workhorse which is difficult to maintain itself sometimes. And on my low spec PC audio is never synched with video and no matter what I do I don't get it fixed
I love Linux for its philosophy and hate Microsoft for theirs, I will go back under no circumstances and agree that Linux gives better error messages and docs to fix things, but I never needed to do that with Microsoft. I never needed to open the registry apart from escaping out of box setup...
User experience for someone with high technical expectations for what should be possible (vr, games, hi-fi cinema, CAD, DAW) but only moderate technical skills (I can navigate GUIs and make basic use of the terminal (grep, nano, apt) but if I try to understand English primary source docs I don't get it as after ~7 years of Linux I still only know about 30% of the necessary concepts and vocabulary just isn't that good.... Like, Damm, its hard for someone without any technical training who only has a few hours a month to work on his PC (meaning having time to fix and learn stuff, not just using the PC) to get the stuff done which is a no brainer on win
I mostly say so because I recently upgraded from 12 to 13 with almost no issues; the only issue was something with Apache that ended up being a quick fix. I followed the official Debian guide and temporarily remove third party repos and packages.
Havent brought myself to upgrade to 13 yet, but from 11 to 12 i followed to official guidlines, and when trying to reinstall my packages after kernel upgrade stuff got messed up. Packages didnt recognize their own config files anymore, wine completley behaved random, apt was flooded with error messages, the blzrry glassy Theme in I had in KDE plasma didn't reinstall properly leaving my desktop looking horrible, half programs not working and some weird driver(?) behavior ( hanging Indefinitly when trying to shut down the system and stuff like that)
Maybe all would have been fixable for someone smart enough, for me it was easier to start again from scratch.
Did you restart the computer after the upgrade and before reinstalling third party repo packages?
The “half the programs not working” kind of sounds like you had packages compiled for a newer libc and the like but the newer libc wasn’t in memory yet because you hadn’t restarted.
Was a while ago, i think i did. All I know is I worked trough the whole doc to upgrade start to finish because I didn't know which sections apply to me and which don't, it was like ten hours of work trying t o understand everything which, holly shit, wasn't easy and when I finally got completely through it didn't work as expected.
Not that I think the docs were wrong, I am aware that I was the problem there, but it sometimes bothers me when people act like Linux is super easy and even grandma can understand and use it while I, the most techy persons in my peer group, give it my all and still dont even manage a simple upgrade, which would be absolutely no problem on the corporate OSs
Huh. I guess 3 years of Debian usage has just gotten me used to stuff like that.
I can see where one might go wrong; there’s a lot of sections in that guide with contingencies only meant for specific situations, like upgrading from a USB or optical disc.
My nvidia drivers used to break sometimes but I just switched to dkms drivers and I have had a stable experience for years. Only downside is the upgrade takes a bit longer.
Gonna be real, I haven't had to bother with my OS for the past two months, so I disagree with a lot of this post. The take I disagree with the most is that things that would be difficult regardless of OS are somehow "harder" in Linux though. Getting old games to run on Windows is also a massive PITA, and oftentimes can be easier on Linux since you can always just run a WINE instance using whatever version of Windows the game was originally intended for. Same for old obscure software, anything from like the XP era does not play nice with Windows 11 in my experience. It sounds like the bigger issue is that you have learned a lot about Windows, and haven't learned a lot about Linux, so your knowledge base for Windows is better.
The actual issue I think is huge for your hypothetical "middle user" is hardware based. Some hardware is just better for running high performance applications on Linux than others. In my fancy, shiny, top of the line rig, my experience in getting games to work is I download them and run them with Proton. I've done no troubleshooting, barely use any applications other than Steam for gaming, and so far have not found a game I wanna play that doesn't work. On my old Nvidia-based rig that I replaced, however, it was the exact opposite story. Nothing ever worked, I was constantly looking through error logs and trying to troubleshoot, and most of the time the answer was hardware that wasn't properly supported.
Thats not what i experienced.... Trying to run sketchup with wine, 3 days trial and error, doesn't work even though winehq says its possible Using vive wireless? Not possible at all! or playing league, hard before vanguard, impossible after... Updating between major versions? Always breaks my setup and makes me start from scratch Using zoom for work with sharing desktop? Huge pita and u need to deepdive in Wayland to get I running (I didn't so I switched back to x)! Install a non native daw like ableton and get it running without crashes and usable latency? Impossible! Using your rack audio interface? Not possible as there is no Linux driver and pipewire only recognizes half of the functions
I have a ryzen 5 12 core and a Vega 64, so hardware is decent and clearly not the problem here.
I am aware that those problems often stem from programs not being designed for Linux, not Linux itself being bad, but the effect is sadly the same: using halfbacked freeware or study IT to get it running, nothing apart from Mozilla "just works"
Still, when im forced to use windows I see how bad its become, so im sticking with linux!
That's the right attitude. A lot of the comfort of Windows comes down to habit and mere exposure. Every Windows user who dives beyond the surface also spends a lot of time learning, but with the added burden of having to sift through every forum post suggesting sFc /ScAnNoW. And if you keep the same hardware for a few years, the Linux experience ages like a fine wine as drivers improve and features get some subtle polish.
Sometimes I wonder if my health takes a toll each time I help someone set up Windows. I can literally feel my heart rate increase as I go through the privacy-related settings.
I had that very experience somewhat recently. I had to set up Windows 10 on a laptop for a friend. I had been using Linux on my main PC for probably five years at that point, so I was “un-used to” Windows. Oh boy that was a dreadful experience. It was a lot like “no, no, no, no, don’t want that, stop it, turn that off, be quiet”, and then logging in and getting the final pieces finished? Headache-inducing. “Try this!”, “try that!”, “did you know you could do THIS?”, “subscribe to this product you should use!”
And then the preloaded “suggested software”, the search bar with “suggested/trending” garbage I did NOT want to see? Yeah it was not pleasant. I think unless I’m doing it professionally? I’m not going to accept that task again. I’m glad I do not have to use that software on my main PC anymore. It seemed to have gotten worse since I stopped using it five years ago.
You've used Windows for so long that you don't remember how it was when you first started using it.
This isn't different than what you are doing with Linux. The flow gets better and better and you will acquire the experience needed to navigate the issues. It takes time, that's all.
True, but there's a lot of stuff in the free software ecosystem that is just jank.
I expect things not to work at this point and don't get surprised when they don't. It's part of how we pour way more resources into abusive technologies over ethical ones. We can continue to be part of the problem (like a useful idiot), or pick our heads up and work towards the solution.
If you stick to popular free software, the jank is limited.
The Linux userspaces have a lot of enthusiastic people that create their own software and share it, and thus it seems like there is lot of janky stuff (because there is).
It feels like Windows has been captured by corporations and so the market is competitive. There isn't much space for enthusiast developpers to tackle a different vision of a popular software.
So yeah, I agree with you, lots of janky software in Linux, but that's the beauty of it IMO. If you stick to popular softwares, the jank is somewhat equivalent to Windows.
True, but there’s a lot of stuff in the free software ecosystem that is just jank.
A lot of free software is built to scratch the authors itch. If you choose to use it as well, that's on you. There's nothing stopping you from forking it and making it work how you want it... except time.
Yeah, my linux experience usually seems like its hanging on a thin thread at all times. If stuff is actually working, im super grateful and hope it doesn't break itself on the next reboot.
Im not sure why everyone else seems to have a perfect error free experience except for me xD or they are just lying. And I dont use Intel or Nvidia so I should have it easy!
This is very true. Linux is great if you just want to check email, or if you want to compile your kernel or dig into incredibly esoteric config files. But if you want to do something between those 2 extremes, the learning curve is extremely steep. My Windows box and Mac Mini both do all the things I want them to, but my Linux box keeps breaking and I don't trust it with anything important. I usually try to do things on Linux first, but when it inevitably breaks I switch over to Mac and get it done in a tenth of the time.
I'm sure I could get my Linux box to do everything I want. I'm busy and I don't want to fight with it and spend all my time learning about its eccentricities. I want to point and click and occasionally modify a text file.
and the IT pro with 10 NAS setup are the perfect linux users.
Well I'm closer to that. I'm an "IT pro" (I pay my bills by writing software) and I did learn CS at uni... and yet it's STILL damn hard!
I think that might be the part that "grandma" (bit sexist and ageist there but going with the example) finds it hard is a given but that professionals are struggling daily is somehow hidden away.
I can give you examples from just yesterday :
my deGoogled Android phone rejected my SIM card yesterday "SIM 1 not allowed"
my home IoT server stopped working
and few others smaller problems. So... I had to find ways to fix that which lead me to learn that :
some bug into HomeAssistant (my IoT server gateway) led me to restart its container, without having to restart the device itself
my Android ROM has a "Reset Network Settings" within the "Reset Options" menu
The irony is that some people who are not professional might even know about the later one but I didn't. So... my whole point :
TL;DR: IT is hard for everyone because it's complex (lots of moving parts) and always changing ("updates" are not just "better" but different) so we ALL must keep on learning.
I know ZFS is not the same as raid. but for most folk it services the same purpose. ZFS is a file system with raid like functionality hence i said for a software raid option it is good. meaning using RAIDZ and not hardware RAID. And yes ZFS can do so much more then raid which is amazing.
I was moving plex from my NAS to a dedicated box this weekend and spend 3 hours going crazy on why my movie library wasn't showing up. After a break and looking through fstab, I realized "novie" wasn't a share....
Remember kids, always work from the simplest solution up
the “grandma”/casual users never try anything complicated or different so nothing goes wrong.
the “pro” users either know what they are doing well enough to not make a mistake or to fix it when it goes wrong.
the middle users will always have it harder, they are trying things beyond the margins of “easy” so of course things go wrong and they don’t know how to fix it.
Anecdotal example: just yesterday I found out that I broke my file picker function in five out of six web browsers, by loading an Xcompose file with some definitions that GTK apparently doesn’t like. It took me about 5 hours of poking at things to figure out that a change I did a week ago, broke a function I hardly ever use. So I did fix it eventually but I it took me a week to notice and then hours to track down what was going on.
Is there any chance at all that the casual users would be using a compose key, let alone loading a custom definition file for it? Hell no!
But here’s the secret: there is nobody out there who is the perfect expert who never makes a mistake and knows all things. We’re all out here pushing boundaries; the only difference is where those boundaries are.
Yeah when you're in the middle you kind of know enough to be able to get around the safeguards and properly break things, but not always how to fix them again necessarily.
As a more advanced user, I have to say, the problems don't stop. Computers will never be "solved". They just keep making new puzzles forever. That's whats fun.
The more advanced you get, well you can solve the easy problems off the top of your head, but now you have new problems and there are zero search results for your error message. If you can't figure it out from the docs or irc you just have to read source code.
I try to document stuff as I find it, even if it means resurrecting an ancient thread. I often search for things and get one result, and it's me answering my own question a few years ago.
I've done that before too! Last year I was having a very specific issue and I was googling it, found someone who had the exact problem I had like 5 years ago, and it turned out to be me from my old account back when I used to use reddit lol.
This is strictly my personal experience and is not meant to negate someone else's experience.
I disagree, as a middle user myself, I've had much less problems since the switch to Linux. I don't own a VR setup, so can't speak to that, but I have used basically everything else you've mentioned since switching without issues. Older software seems to work better on Linux than windows 11 in my experience. The rare stumble I've had was easily remedied by searching forums and wikis.
Most windows problems I've had to search for solutions in the last several years led to either blind registry changes, following some useless wizard that rarely fixes the problem, or a nothing-burger circle where the OP ended up either giving up entirely or re-installing windows to avoid the problem. I've very much had better luck actually fixing a problem in Linux than just avoiding it.
I’ve found Linux easier and a much better user experience than windows 10 or 11.
If you use a straightforward distro that doesn’t let you do stupid stuff (like Bazzite or Fedora Kinoite or any other atomic distro), Linux becomes easy.
I’m on the opposite end with Nixos. Hard as fuck to use but god is it stable. Especially when you start leaning into things like impermanence and flakes. Crazy learning curve / upfront effort
Atomic distros made my coming back to Linux a dream. I don't want the hassle and I don't want to break shit. That was fun in my youth, now I want shit that works.
The nice thing is that Linux is always improving and Windows is always in retrograde. The more users Linux has, the faster it will improve. If the current state of Linux is acceptable enough for you as a user, then it should be possible to get your foot in the door and ride the wave upwards. If not, wait for the wave to reach your comfort level. People always say is the year of the Linux desktop but IMO the real year of the Linux desktop was like 4 or 5 years ago now, and hopefully that captured momentum will keep going until critical mass is achieved (optimistically, I think we're basically already there).
This is so true. It's been good enough for me for so many years at this point, and yet it just keeps getting better. The whole experience is so much nicer now than it was years ago, which was better than years before that, etc.
It sometimes is, but then sometimes Linux is not to blame.
Yesterday I was installing CachyOS on my son's laptop, because that's what he chose to use instead of Windows 10. The desktop came up fine, but no wifi adaptor was detected. I could try another more mainstream distro, but I wanted my kid to have what he chose. So we went troubleshooting. Googled the laptop model, found the adaptor, found the matching kernel module, checked the logs... and there it was, a cryptic error -110. Googled that and there was an answer: disable Windows Fast Boot.
It turns out that Windows locks the wifi adaptor when shutting down in Fast Boot mode. So after disabling it and a couple of reboots later, CachyOS was installing flawlessly.
It served as a lesson for me and an example for my kid to persevere and learn more.
Linux IS a lot of work to keep up with. But it's also way better to use after that work is done. And won't be enshittified against your will with every update, unlike Windows.
That's half the fun though isn't? I'll tinker on my arch or nixos machines all the time just changing things, playing around with customization, trying out repos and what have you. I love just trying out new stuff people have made and seeing if I can use it for my workflow.
That love of tinkering is why I've landed on not using an immutable distro for my first time installing Linux since the 00s. CachyOS is what I landed on; now I just need to catch up on work so I can take a day to tinker with my setup.
For context, I semi-broke my current Windows 11 install by trying to manually edit the registry to remove all traces of a piece of invasive, uninstallable bloatware (that comes direct from ASRock... the bastards) I accidentally installed. Turns out my sound drivers are from the same company, so when I deleted all entries with that company in the search terms, I FUBARed my Bluetooth audio and 3.5mm microphone. And didn't backup the registry.
I like to tinker, and if I need to reinstall my OS anyway, so now is the time to finally switch!
I got a new laptop with Windows 11 at work yesterday. This is the first time I've used 11. I must say, it's not really that bad. Once you cut out all the enshittification, which our IT department does, it's pretty decent. I would never dream of putting it in any of my own machines, of course.
Yeah, I installed Enterprise edition on my desktop, which allows you to cut out all the bloat and spyware. But it takes a long time to do, and I'm not sure I got everything since Windows Updates can change anything.
Ive been having a good time with PopOS/Linux made for a specific machine. Its my daily driver.
I know its cheating a bit, but having something completely supported is so nice when I just want to sit down and compute. Ive had the same system76 machine for 6 years now and its still VERY fast. No issues with drivers (cause they fully support it) and made of generic parts.
I use an easy out of the box linux so its not much work even before comparing to windows. This is why my advice for people talking about dual booting to install linux on their old laptop if they still have it as I find linux on your last machine is faster than windows on your current. It also makes it easier to always have linux available for people used to windows who need to use the linux enough to realize how nice it is nowadays.
I was raised in the xp/windows 7 era. I switched to Arch Linux this year and have never been more satisfied with my computer. If i get stuck, the wiki and other nerds are happy to come to the rescue.
I loved XP, but i havent used it since i was like 13. I kept it well into the vista era. That pc finally died right before windows 8. That one pissed me off. It was so clearly meant for tablets and still being crammed into non-touch screens
Sure is. I have to change my display driver from one version to another, to be able to play different games. Otherwise, some games freeze my system within few seconds of launching the game (also happens during local video full-screen playback). The linux guys will tell me, "oh, it's just because your distro install was corrupt", or "definitely a hardware issue", "PSU failing / GPU failing", etc. but no, that's just how linux works. there will always be some system configurations that are bound to have these problems. this is similar to linux users "choosing" not to play the games that don't work on linux distributions.
I was troubleshooting some audio hardware and decided that I should try it on windows, to make sure it was hardware and not software. So I tried to download an install disc image that I could put on my thumb drive and it was surprisingly hard, then I got driver failures, then I lost count of all the boxes I had to uncheck, then finally after like 2 hours I was greeted by ads on my desktop. Just a really bad experience overall. I cannot fathom why anyone uses that piece of crap.
Anyway so I figured out it was a Linux problem because of course it was just plug-and-play on Windows, and I found my misconfiguration and fixed it in 10 seconds, and I thought about the tech literacy of the average person, and realized that is why people use windows. They don't care about shit except least resistance. That was the first time I've booted windows since 2020 though, so here's hoping it was the last time.
I grew up with DOS and used Windows 1 (barely, DOS was better), 3.1, 95, 98, etc... But curiosity made me try a bunch of OS in the beginning of the 2000s, like BeOS, QNX, and Linux (Kheops, Mandrake, SuSE). I dual booted for many years, keeping Linux as my main OS but having to boot Windows for games. I preferred Linux but I was pretty much OS agnostic for a while. I even worked as level 1 tech support for many years, helping people with Windows and Office products.
But then came Windows 8, 10, and now 11, + Office 365 + OneDrive. It's very difficult to stand any of those new versions, with the ads, the constant peddling for Microsoft products, the "forced" login with a Microsoft account, the updates whenever they feel like it if you don't pay enough for Windows, if the updates are not breaking something. A few years ago I was helping a friend and discovered a version of Windows 7 where you can't even change the wallpaper.
TBF, I knew it was coming. Anyone in IT knew for years that Microsoft planned of having everything subscription based. To me, every new versions of Windows or Office, or Teams, is now more intolerable than the previous one.
Anyway, at some point I stopped gaming/dual booting and pretty much kept exclusively on Linux. My workplace used Windows, and I use Linux at home. I've been using Debian for 15 years now and despite minor issues with sound recently, since pipewire, every time I use Windows, I'm reminded of how much worse it could be.
Recently I quit my job as a level 1 tech. I can't help people with Microsoft products anymore. Having calls from people telling me they cannot delete files from their OneDrive when it tells them it's full, then discover it's a bug and users with their drives full cannot delete anything, is just disconcerting. Before all that, I could at least see/understand the reason why things were working like they did; I could help and explain it to the users. Now, I'm as frustrated as they are when I use Microsoft products.
Today on my win11 work system, the windows menu stopped producing output when I typed into it and webpages stopped loading. Had to perform a full system restart to get it to work again.
I have to use a windows machine at work and without fail I have to restart it by early afternoon because it has nearly ground to a halt. Usually right when a client turns up and wants to see their work.
Still windows but if you remove the bloatware, its "a turd" but it smells less. If that helps. Windows is terrible, I agree, but for those who need to use it, any software like startallback, or something like the chris titus tool should be recommended.
I build cross platform desktop software professionally.
Because of this I have to use and pretty deeply understand the inner workings of every OS.
I can state as absolute fact that every major operating system including Linux is an absolute pile of hot garbage.
The difference is that macOS and windows are garbage on purpose. There were deliberate decisions to enshitify them for profit. They spent time and money making the OS worse on purpose.
On Linux most of the shitty parts were designed with good intentions but just kinda suck (Wayland for example).
Oh come on X11 is hot garbage the reason it was abandoned. It is so stupid that people think something designed in the 70s and patches to hell is still secure in the modern world.
There is a good chance that it was also designed this way on purpose. Almost everything I have heard people complain about on Wayland boils down to “it does not do that on purpose for security reasons”. In order to get around the purposeful constraints, you need to design extension protocols to create desired functionality and not all of those have been built. It is still on purpose though.
You may simply disagree with the priorities. Which is what enshitification for profit is as well of course.
IDK I think Wayland will be great some day. But right now we're between x11 and Wayland an both options suck.
I'm just over here trying to record my desktop and take screenshots haha.
“it does not do that on purpose for security reasons”.
I understand the motivations here but my priorities do not align with this. Not once in my life has someone recorded my desktop without my permission. I support the idea of having a secure environment but its just a pretty bad UX in the meantime.
Dont take this the wrong way. I think Wayland is a good idea in general. I just wish there was something else to hold us over in the meantime and x11 isnt really that.
I also feel the same about wayland... I think wayland is designed for good purpose but its architecture kinda sucks. I'm curious what do you think should be done to improve unix windowing systems.
... but as you mention the alternative is ALSO a lot of work PLUS frustrations.
So between learned helplessness and tiring empowerment the choice remains obvious.
FWIW whenever it feels like it's "too much" I reminder myself how I browse through obscure man pages decades ago... to still find them useful today! It's crazy that so long after learning about tools like more or grep is useful on :
a desktop
a console (SteamDeck)
a mobile phone (which basically didn't exist back then)
depends what you do, tbh. If you try to get a 3D program (that works well in Windows) to work on Linux, or try to get a game running as smooth as it is on Windows, then you are in for a lot of work.
But if your usage involves: simple web browser / email, codes, file operations. Then Linux is just plug and play, even much simpler than Windows. No ads, no constant updates nagging.
Linux just leaves you alone, if you mess some thing up it is you fault. On my Win 11 laptop, I got logged off by the damn OS just for it to display a popup with something bullshit like "Sign in to OneDrive to protect your PC"
You’re wrong about the games part. Most of us have no issues with that because of proton. As long as the game doesn’t require kernel level anti-cheat malware.
And yeah, 3D program written for windows is not going to run on Linux natively without issues. That’s common sense. It’s up to the developers to support more platforms, and that will happen with market share.
I use Garuda, which is an Arch-based distribution. Regressions are inevitable, though in my experience any actual issues arising from updates are quite infrequent. I’ve only once ever had to use Snapper to restore my system after a borked update in the some three and a half years I’ve used it. Keep in mind that this is a rolling release distribution, so new code isn’t always thoroughly tested before it’s sent out. I generally prefer new software, because I like playing games so new features and enhancements are important to me (on my main PC. I often install Arch for fun on other computers, but I thought for my ThinkPad? It’s older, maybe I’d like it to run Debian).
But any time I have a minor hiccup (that usually gets resolved after an update or reboot), I remember how much worse it could be. I’d much prefer the rare slight complication to the ads, telemetry, nags, intrusive updates, excessive bloat, and lack of control.
I’ve said before, that after using Linux on my main PC and not touching Windows? Windows really does feel like I’m not using my PC, something I never really noticed before I made the switch five years ago. I used to have no problems with modern Windows, but now it’s hard for me to tolerate. Old Windows is generally okay. I collect old computers, so versions like Windows 95, 98, 2000, and XP are fun.
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I mean... both would be opportunistically, but that wasn't my point. I support a free Palestine, I'm on your guys' side (despite the downvotes)! I was just trying to say that Russia's condemnation of one genocide doesn't really mean shit in my opinion, especially while enacting their own genocide barely 1000 miles away.
Just so you know, the insistence of western liberals on reducing the word 'genocide' to just mean 'anything bad our enemies do' is a big part of how Israel was able to perform an actual genocide with as little push-back as it's getting.
I wouldn't say the atrocities in Gaza or the Donbas are EQUAL, no, not at all. For one thing, the Ukrainians are actually allowed to fight back without being labeled as terrorists. But Russia's goals (and some actions, mostly conducted earlier in the conflict) certainly fit the definition of genocide
No, they don't; that's just the western liberal need to slap the genocide label on every bad thing enemy countries do (because they've already normalized every other war crime)
The internationally recognized, legal definition of a genocide is 'the deliberate or systematic destruction, in part or in whole, of a national, racial, ethnic, or religious group' including (among other things) the forcible transfer of children from one group to another. And Russia has been trying very hard for a while now to erase Ukrainians from eastern Ukraine and replace them with Russians.
‘the deliberate or systematic destruction, in part or in whole, of a national, racial, ethnic, or religious group’
Which Russia is not attempting to do.
And Russia has been trying very hard for a while now to erase Ukrainians from eastern Ukraine and replace them with Russians.
See what I mean? Western liberals will make up any old bullshit to accuse their enemies of genocide; which is a big part of why an actual genocide gets so little push back: because people like you have run the term into the ground.
And there it is: people like you have normalized every other war crime so much that someone like me, who thinks Russia is a fascist gangster state committing a brutal war of aggression but not a genocide, is completely indistinguishable from a literal Russian agent. That's why you need it to be a genocide: because you want to condemn it, but you've already normalized every other atrocity so much that you don't even see them as bad anymore. And you're rabidly trying to do the same for genocide as well
That's a lot of assumptions based on those two words I said. But for real though, why are we arguing the semantics when we're both in agreement that Russia's invasion of Ukraine and Israel's genocide of Palestine are both atrocities that need to be stopped as soon as possible
why are we arguing the semantics when we’re both in agreement that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and Israel’s genocide of Palestine are both atrocities that need to be stopped as soon as possible
Because the abuse of semantics and the reduction of terms like genocide to rhetorical snarl words to be recklessly thrown at any enemies has enabled Russia and Israel to do what they're doing with so little push back.
It's nice to know that a generation of Germans saying they had a "special understanding" of genocide because of their history were right. They had a special understanding of how to get away with enacting and supporting genocides.
Like, I'm not German. But literally everything they teach about their history and being "accepting" of their peoples crimes. Like, do they just throw that in a trashbin now and go back to full fascist again?
With the way they treat Muslims it seems so. Thousands of Holocaust scholars and historians just completely useless to that society.
You're not "special" Germans. Your brain rot is rivaling that of America.
the de-nazification of Germany never truly happened. CEOs complicit in the violence got let go. I think there is a fern video on that. I believe (this)[https://youtu.be/-WX5zOdMprc] outlines some of the most prevelant nazi CEOs that got away.
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what about east Germany? I think they get left off the hook when they did less to de-Nazi. AFD is a thing because of the east where they’re more racist
East was denazified much more thoroughly, and the AfD popularity comes from the fact that East Germany was plundered by West after they were anschlussed in 90's and left was cracked on hard leaving AfD as only alternative (note how recently German court said Marx reading club was unconstitutional but the neonazi party is allowed to grow for decades).
The East went from having “The Left” as their party to a literal Nazi party.. The East blamed nazism on capitalism and that was good enough. We can’t left east Germany off the hook just because they were socialist in name
Its not all German's but the ones in power and the idiots eating their shitty propaganda. The majority 52% has a negative view of isreal, not everyone is of the understanding that its a genocide only 33%. 66% approve sactions on arms export. The crimes of the second world war are still taught a lot in school. The unfiltered history is still on display in museum etc. (i don't know of any country that does that, most countries with a dark history just push it under a rug and never mention it.) That being said our current government is right-wing piece of shit flirting with the new popular fascist party and taking legitimacing their ideas. Its bad and people seem more brain damaged than ever atm. The divide and conquer tactic is working, extremely well on the population.
Very interesting take. Are you German? I hadn't heard those stats and I'd guess they are recent. Seems like a shift like many other western nations people not agreeing with their ruling class. My worry is that it is fueled by the same shift the US is seeing with anti Israel "America first" fascist movements. But would like to hear your take.
I've been saying for years that the normalization of Muslim hatred in the west will inevitably become xenophobic in general and Israel is the first target for that. But unfortunately, I think that comes to power under right wing movements that hypocritically use Israels actions to paint Jewish populations as the next target.
Using the genocide of a Zionist state to first support it to fuel anti Muslim hatred. Then shift into a full xenophobic campaign. Using the west newfound hatred for Israel to target Jews and other minorities in the war. While at the same time STILL supporting Israels Ethnostate project bt exporting Jews and exploited immigrants to its fascist project in West Asia.
Sorry. A bit of a rant. The jump to "deporting Jews" is probably my own take. But if we shift from the crypto fascism of Trump to the Neo-Nazi movements that support him I don't think it's far off.
I would say that's possible if Vance takes power. Or, we have 4 years of a liberal president failing to provide material improvements for the working class again. And we get an even worse outcome after that as the right wing takes power.
Ironically, I think Trump is the crypto fascist standing in the way of what most of his supporters and cabinet really want. And we see it in parts of his administration he hands of entirely to them (ICE being the most obvious).
I believe this will end either in nazi dictatorship or civil war. The us doesn't have many options. And they are shockingly unprepared for authoritarianism.
Agreed. I never hear other content creators mention him. But have been watching for years now. Dude just keeps dropping good Marxist analysis on global economics that keeps coming true.
Wait, India, Nepal and Bangladesh(?) abstrained? The West doing that is expected (because they fully wanted to vote no but was worried about the backlash) but why those countries?
UN commission of inquiry has concluded that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and accused senior Israeli officials including Benjamin Netanyahu of inciting it.
The United Nations independent international commission of inquiry (COI), which does not speak on behalf of the UN and has been criticised strongly by Israel, cited the scale of the killings, aid blockages, forced displacement and the destruction of a fertility clinic in the territory to support its genocide finding.
Ubuntu 25.10's transition to using Rust Coreutils in place of GNU Coreutils has uncovered a few performance issues so far with the Rust version being slower than the C-based GNU Coreutils. Fortunately there still are a few weeks to go until Ubuntu 25.10 releases as stable and upstream developers are working to address these performance gaps.
Rust and C are the same "tier" of performance, but GNU coreutils has the benefit of several decades of development and optimization that the Rust one needs to catch up with.
Rust is fundamentally more limiting than C, even with unsafe. It is often faster if you write naive code (because the Rust compiler can optimize more aggressively due to those same limitations), but an experienced developer with a lot of time for optimization will probably be able to squeeze more performance out of C than they would out of Rust - as you can see in this example. Rust is still better because those limitations all but guarantee that the resulting code will be safer, and the performance differences would be negligible all things considered.
Language isn't everything. While Rust provides some features and safety that C doesn't while being roughly equivalent in performance, the algorithms that developers choose will dominate the performance impact on the program.
GNU core utils has decades of accumulated knowledge and optimisation that results in the speed it has. The Rust core utils should in theory be able to achieve equivalent performance, but differences in the implementation choices between one and another, or even something as simple as the developers not having prioritised speed yet and still focusing on correctness could explain the differences that are being reported.
Well the entire point of the project is that they used algorithms/features of Rust that make it easier to write fast code. This article basically reports on a "bug". Uutils are in many ways already faster than Coreutils.
Correctness is really more of a byproduct of using Rust. Coreutils have had only a few CVEs in their lifetime so it would be sort of redundant to rewrite them in Rust for "correctness".
Although if it did happen they could be sued for breaking it. I really don't get the sarcasm here. with mit/bsd not giving back is fully legal with gpl its not.
This should be avoided like the plague because of the choice to use MIT over GPL.
Any work dedicated to this can and will be stolen by corporations without giving back if they find it useful. This is what happened with Sony and Apple and their respective operating systems. They chose to base them on BSD so they could steal work and not give back to the public.
i think the argument here is more that saying "you can use this however you like, no questions asked" is a bad idea because it allows corporations to approriate the work
yes. that is why he is saying go with the gpl or at least if your adding code add it to gpl unless you are fine with your stuff being used but nothing coming back to the communities by others.
Yeah I think you are just ignoring context. He means steal the way someone just taking advantage of the commons might be said to. Ugh he only comes to these things so he can steal away a bunch of pastries back to his pad. The language is to mean that the bsd license allows folks to steal while the gpl requires reciprocity.
The intent of the BSD licences is to allow you to do what you want without reciprocating though. It's not an accident, it's explicitly stated. It is, in fact, your right. You profiting from the work of others is an intended result.
I prefer GPL myself for this reason. But you can't blame companies for obeying the terms of the licence.
But that is what he was actually saying. His comment was he would rather see it as gpl because mit effectively allows the hard work to be stolen like what we saw with apple and bsd. Hes not blaming apple he is just saying he would not have issue if it was gpl instead of mit. Again its like you have to look at the whole message and context for meaning rather than the strict definition of the one line.
ugh. I feel like you did not read my reply. Im saying his use of the word theft should not be taken literally given the context of his statement. he was not looking to say apple stole code he was looking to say use gpl because otherwise corps get code and don't contribute back.
It's you who says it's not a literal use. But I'm protesting even a figurative use since there is NO way the act is THEFT. I didn't steal, in any sense, something that is given to me for free.
It's not like improper use of "steal" is unheard of, I see all the time people use "I'm gonna steal that" and similar even when it applies to things openly given for free. And considering that it's quite clear that the MIT allows others to take without sharing back (it's the main difference with GPL) I'm quite sure the commenter was aware that it wasn't really theft, yet chose that word probably with the intention to insult the practice, rather than as a fair descriptor.
So yes, you're right, it isn't theft... but I don't think that was the point of the comment.
Right. Instead say "here you can use this as you like, and if you improve on it, share that with everyone in the same way so we can all benefit from it." Is why GPL is better.
The reason Ubuntu switched was Rust's "safety". Which is sort of a dumb reason because Coreutils have had very few CVEs in the past. A less dumb reason is performance. Uutils are faster than Coreutils, this was an edge-case.
MIT license is the schizo reason. Making a closed source version of Unix utilities would not be beneficial for Canonical in any way, but that does not stop the schizos from schizoing.
You can fork it and GPL it just fine, the MIT licence allows for that, however anyone who wants to make the codebase proprietary can just fork the original upstream project. Not much point GPLing a project if you make zero changes to it. If you make changes then in practice just your changes are GPLed because anyone wanting to use code from upstream can just use it directly from upstream under MIT.
Not only that but if you edit the MIT licensed files (Read: They have the MIT notice, which you have to preserve, in them.), they will still be MIT licensed. Only new files and the entire project will become GPL.
They articulated the reason and gave examples of precedence.
And you're dismissing their voice as irrelevant, but as the consumer of the product, their voice is most critical, and more people should be aware of how corporations use their massive wealth to choke and starve open source competition out of existence despite building their products on open source work in the first place.
I continue to fail to see the issue with the author, the person whose actual labour goes into the software, not your labour, deciding that they are fine with their source code being used in any way the general public sees fit provided they simply credit the author and provide a copy of the MIT licence. If I give you something, you're not stealing by accepting my gift. They're choosing voluntarily to make their source code available under such a licence. If they weren't okay with that, they would've chosen a copyleft licence.
And you’re dismissing their voice as irrelevant, but as the consumer of the product, their voice is most critical
That seems insanely entitled, but you're allowed to not use non-copyleft software if you really care that much. The authors of permissively licensed software aren't forcing you to use their software.
There are plenty of valid reasons to license a work as MIT or BSD or similar. Firstly, libraries are almost always going to be permissively licensed, not just because it allows proprietary software to use those libraries, but also because it allows permissively licensed FOSS to use those libraries. If I want to use a GPL library, it's not just that I have to make my software FOSS, it's that I have to make my software GPL specifically. If I want to make a FOSS MIT program, I can't use any GPL libraries.
Secondly, sometimes it's because, well, as the licence text provides, I don't give a shit what you do with the code. I write lots of little tools that are just for myself and I share them in case they're of use to someone else. If some big corpo uses it in their proprietary money-making machine it's no shit off my back. It was just a little tool I wrote for myself and it doesn't affect me if other people use it to make money.
I think GPL is reasonable if a lot of labour goes into a project, and you'd be discouraged from working on it if someone was leeching off of it for their proprietary software. But my MIT/BSD code requires 0 maintenance labour from me, and I don't care to control how other people use it. That's the whole point of MIT/BSD/Apache/etc. It's the "don't give a shit" licence.
I continue to fail to see the issue with the author, the person whose actual labour goes into the software, not your labour, deciding that they are fine with their source code being used in any way
You're arguing with a strawman you created, no one made any statements about the author. They simply said no one should use the software.
The author can choose to use the MIT license, and we can choose not to use their software.
That seems insanely entitled, but you're allowed to not use non-copyleft software if you really care that much. The authors of permissively licensed software aren't forcing you to use their software.
What do you think we're saying here? We're saying we're choosing not to use the author's software, what are you taking issue with exactly?
There are plenty of valid reasons to license a work as MIT or BSD or similar. Firstly, libraries are almost always going to be permissively licensed, not just because it allows proprietary software to use those libraries, but also because it allows permissively licensed FOSS to use those libraries. If I want to use a GPL library, it's not just that I have to make my software FOSS, it's that I have to make my software GPL specifically. If I want to make a FOSS MIT program, I can't use any GPL libraries
And we've articulated valid reasons not to replace GPL core libraries with MIT ones...
Secondly, sometimes it's because, well, as the licence text provides, I don't give a shit what you do with the code
Good for you? This isn't about you (the author)... It's about us not wanting to use your work, which you seem to take offense to, as if you did us a favor. Talk about entitlement.
But my MIT/BSD code requires 0 maintenance labour from me, and I don't care to control how other people use it. That's the whole point of MIT/BSD/Apache/etc. It's the "don't give a shit" licence.
Solid justification for using it for coreutils you got there...
You're arguing with a strawman you created, no one made any statements about the author.
The original comment called it stealing. There's nothing morally wrong with stealing, but regardless it's not even stealing. It's a stupid argument.
Solid justification for using it for coreutils you got there...
I'm obviously talking about not giving a shit about how people use it. Which makes sense for coreutils. Loads of people use it for loads of different purposes. The author shouldn't care how people use it.
We're obviously talking about corporations intentionally using open source software with the intention of eliminating it as competition, we aren't talking about the literal definition of the word "stealing", which you seem smart enough to be able to recognize, but you're insisting on being pedantic.
You twisted that into an argument about what the author of the code has the right to do... No one gives a shit, and we aren't obligated to support it.
We’re obviously talking about corporations intentionally using open source software with the intention of eliminating it as competition
That's not what corporations do when they use MIT/BSD code. They rely on that code; it's not their "competition". Unless you are talking about stuff like WhatsApp using libsignal, where they do use code from a direct competitor, but that's far less common, and also not going to have a negative effect on Signal. I can't speak for Signal of course but they are probably quite happy with WhatsApp using libsignal, as it both spreads Signal's beliefs about communication being E2EE, and it makes WhatsApp reliant upon Signal. FOSS projects like ffmpeg, curl, etc, are (reasonably!) happy that the entire industry depends on the tool they wrote. And they are kept alive because they are so widely depended upon. Corporations donate to FOSS projects because they need them.
we aren’t talking about the literal definition of the word “stealing”
wtf is a non-literal definition of "stealing"? The idea of stealing is stupid enough already, I can't play your games to figure out how you extrapolate something sillier from it. I'm a communist. I don't believe in private property and I don't give a shit about stealing.
They steal labor. You would think someone with the username communism would instinctively understand that.
And no, it isn't "far less common", and you have already been provided with examples of what we mean, so I'm not playing your games of providing examples (that don't even use the MIT license, but now I'm the one being pedantic).
"Stealing labour" is not the issue with capitalism, but in any case, using materials freely provided to the commons is not extraction of surplus labour.
Rust is great, but might it be a bit premature to replace the venerable coreutils with a project boasting version number 0.2, which I imagine reflects its author's view on its maturity?
A major version of 0 isn't necessarily any statement regarding the projects maturity, it can also be a hack with semantic versioning. Normally, any change that is not fully backwards compatible requires you to increment the major version, but if the major version is 0, you may only increase the minor version. Because of this, many projects stay at the 0.x.y versions, so they don't need to release version 2.0.0, 3.0.0, 4.0.0 and so on just because of minor but breaking changes as many users might expect significant new features from that version steps.
They don't need to use semantic versioning. I doubt coreutils itself uses it, though I admit I haven't checked. Actually I think semantic versioning is less popular in practice than it looks like.
For a set of tools to that completely replaces another one, announcing a 1.0 version would be a message that the developers think the project has actually reached its initial goals. "0.2" does not.
Do I understand the article and github issue correctly and we can put away the pitchforks already because they fixed the specific part already and it's now even more performant than GNU coreutils?
"Set for a year-end release, AV2 is not only an upgrade to the widely adopted AV1 but also a foundational piece of AOMedia’s future tech stack.
AV2, a generation leap in open video coding and the answer to the world’s growing streaming demands, delivers significantly better compression performance than AV1. AV2 provides enhanced support for AR/VR applications, split-screen delivery of multiple programs, improved handling of screen content, and an ability to operate over a wider visual quality range. AV2 marks a milestone on the path to an open, innovative future of media experiences."
And which will be so resource intensive to encode with compared to existing standards that it'll probably take 14 years before home media collectors (or yar har types) are able and willing to use it over HEVC and AV1. :\
As an example AV1 encodes to this day are extremely rare in the p2p scene. Most groups still work with h264 or h265 even those focusing specifically on reducing sizes while maintaining quality. By contrast HEVC had significant uptake within 3-4 years of its release in the p2p scene (we're on year 7 for AV1).
These greedy, race to the bottom device-makers are still fighting AV1. With people keeping devices longer and not upgrading as much as well as tons of people relying on under-powered smart-TVs for watching (forcing streaming services to maintain older codecs like h264/h265 to keep those customers) means it's going to take a depressingly long time to be anything but a web streaming phenomenon I fear.
To be fair, it's also basically impossible to have extremely high quality AV1 video, which is what a lot of P2P groups strive for. A lot of effort has gone into trying to do so and results weren't good enough compared to x264, so it's been ignored. AV1 is great at compression efficiency, but it can't make fully transparent encodes (i.e., indistinguishable from the source). It might be different with AV2, though again even if it's possible it may be ignored because of compatibility instead; groups still use DTS-HD MA over the objectively superior FLAC codec for surround sound because of hardware compatibility to this day. (1.0/2.0 channels they use FLAC because players support that usually)
As for HEVC/x265, it too is not as good as x264 at very high quality encoding, so it's also ignored when possible. Basically the breakdown is that 4k encoding uses x265 in order to store HDR and because the big block efficiency of x265 is good enough to compress further than the source material. x264 wouldn't be used for 4k encoding even if it could store HDR because its compression efficiency is so bad at higher resolutions that to have any sort of quality encode it would end up bigger than the source material. Many people don't even bother with 4k x265 encodes and just collect the full disc/remuxes instead, because they dislike x265's encoder quality and don't deem the size efficiency worth its picture quality impact (pretty picky people here, and I'm not really in that camp).
For 1080p, x265 is only used when you want to have HDR in a 1080p package, because again x265's picture quality can't match x264, but most people deem HDR a bigger advantage. x264 is still the tool of choice for non-HDR 1080p encodes, and that's not a culture thing, that's just a quality thing. When you get down into public P2P or random encoding groups it's anything goes, and x265 1080p encodes get a lot more common because x265 efficiency is pretty great compared to x264, but the very top-end quality just can't match x264 in the hands of an experienced encoder, so those encoding groups only use x265 when they have to.
Edit: All that to say, we can't entirely blame old-head culture or hardware compatibility for the unpopularity of newer formats. I think the home media collector usecase is actually a complete outlier in terms of what these formats are actually being developed for. WEB-DL content favors HEVC and AV1 because it's very efficient and displays a "good enough" quality picture for their viewers. Physical Blu-Rays don't have to worry about HDD space or bandwidth and just pump the bitrate insane on HEVC so that the picture quality looks great. For the record, VVC/x266 is already on the shortlist for being junk for the usecases described above (x266 is too new to fully judge), so I wouldn't hold my breath for AV2 either. If you're okay with non-transparency, I'd just stick with HEVC WEB-DLs or try to find good encoding groups that target a more opinionated quality:size ratio (some do actually use AV1!). Rules of thumb for WEB-DL quality are here, though it will always vary on a title-by-title basis.
I think the home media collector usecase is actually a complete outlier in terms of what these formats are actually being developed for.
Well yeah given who makes it but it's what I care about. I couldn't care less about obscure and academic efforts (or the profits of some evil tech companies) except as vague curiosities. HEVC wasn't designed with people like me in mind either yet it means I can have oh 30% more stuff for the same space usage and the enccoders are mature enough that the difference in encode time between it and AVC is negligible on a decently powered server.
Transparency (or great visual fidelity period) also isn't likely the top concern here because development is driven by companies that want to save money on bandwidth and perhaps on CDN storage.
Which I think is a shame. Lower bitrates for transparency -should- be the goal. The goal should be to get streaming content to consumers at a very high quality, ideally close to or equivalent to UHD BluRay for 4k. Instead we get companies that bit-starve and hop onto these new encoders because they can use fewer bits as long as they use plenty of tricks to maintain a certain baseline of perceptual visual image quality that passes the sniff test for your average viewer so instead of getting quality bumps we just get them using less bits and passing the savings onto themselves with little meaningful upgrade in visual fidelity for the viewer. Which is why it's hard to care at all really about a lot of this stuff if it doesn't benefit the user in any way really.
Yep, fully agree. At least BluRays still exist for now. Building a beefy NAS and collecting full BluRay disks allows us to brute force the picture quality through sheer bitrate at least. There are a number of other problems to think about as well before we even get to the encoder stage, such as many (most?) 4k movies/TV shows being mastered in 2k (aka 1080p) and then upscaled to 4k. Not to mention a lot of 2k BluRays are upscaled from 720p! It just goes on and on. As a whole, we're barely using the capabilities of true 4k in our current day. Most of this UHD/4k "quality" craze is being driven by HDR, which also has its own share of design/cultural problems. The more you dig into all this stuff the worse it gets. 4k is billed as "the last resolution we'll ever need", which IMO is probably true, but they don't tell you that the 4k discs they're selling you aren't really 4k.
Yeah h264 is the base codec (also known as AVC), x264 is the dominant encoder that encodes in that codec. So the base BDs are just plain h264, and remuxes will take that h264 and put it into an mkv container. Colloquially, people tag WEB-DL and BDs/remuxes as "h264" as they're raw/untampered-with, and anything that's been encoded by a person as "x264". Same thing for h265/HEVC and x265, and same for h266/VVC and x266.
Looking ahead, 53% of AOMedia members surveyed plan to adopt AV2 within 12 months upon its finalization later this year, with 88% expecting to implement it within the next two years.
From AOMedia website. So the plan is for it to have AV1 levels of adoption by 2028.
4G/5G on the go and proper broadband at home and office and even in unique location (sadly via MuskSat for now...) other ways to get data
very capable devices in mobile phones, (mostly Android) clients e.g. video projector or dongles, of course computers
human eyes... that can't really appreciate 4K on average
... so obviously we should NOT stop looking for more efficient ways and new usages but I'm also betting that we are basically reaching diminishing return already. I don't think a lot of people care anymore about much high screen resolution or frequency for typical video streaming. Because that's the most popular usage I imagine everything else, e.g XR, becomes relative to it niche and thus has a hard time benefiting as much from the growth in performances we had until now.
TL;DR: OK cool but aren't we already flattening the curve on the most popular need anyway?
This! Also there's AI upscaling, if good enough it could (in theory) make a 1080p video show with a 4k quality only very few lucky and healthy young people would be able to tell apart. In the meantime, my eyesight progressively gets worse with age.
It's not for the end user at this point, it's for YouTube/streaming companies to spend less on bandwidth at existing resolutions. Even a 5% decrease in size for similar quality could save millions in bandwidth costs over a year for YouTube or Netflix.
Thanks for the clarification, it makes me wonder though, is it bandwidth saving at no user cost? i.e is the compression improved without requiring more compute at the end to decompress?
Without hardware decoding, it will take more compute to decompress, but sites usually wait to fully roll out new codecs until hardware decoding is more ubiquitous, because of how many people use low-powered streaming sticks and Smart TVs.
Then it's arguably delegating some of the cost to the final user, large streaming companies spending a bit less on IXP contracts while viewers have to have newer hardware that might need a bit more energy too to run.
On the upside, the end user needs to use up less data for the same content. This is particularly interesting under 4G/5G and restrictive data plans, or when accessing places / servers with weak connection. It helps avoid having to wait for the "buffering" of the video content mid-playback.
But yes, I agree each iteration has diminishing returns, with a higher bump in requirements. I feel that's a pattern we see often.
I can't wait to possibly buy a card a decade from now with AV2 hardware decoding. Ain't happening until after 2035 that's for sure. If we're lucky some firmware upgrade or driver can make AV1 hardware decoding capable cards able to do AV2 as well, but I seriously doubt it - GPU manufacturers want to sell new cards all the time after all.
Oh yeah, I'm sure they'll include the decoding chips sooner, and apologies I should've been more specific and say that it's me that is not planning on buying a new GPU with AV2 HW decoding until a decade from now.
Compression and efficiency is often a trade-off. H266 is also much slower than AV1, under same conditions. Hopefully there will come more AV1 hw encoders to speed things up.. but at least the AV1 decoders are already relatively common.
Also, the gap between h265 and AV1 is higher than between AV1 and h266. So I'd argue it's the other way around. AV1 is reported to be capable of ~30-50% bitrate savings over h.265 at the cost of speed. H266 differences with AV1 are minor, it's reported to get a similar range, but more balanced towards the 50% side and at the cost of even lower speed. I'd say once AV1 encoding hardware is more common and the higher presets for AV1 become viable it'd be a good balance for most cases.
The thing is that h26x has a consortium of corporations behind with connections and an interest to ensure they can cash in on their investment, so they get a lot of traction to get hw out.
Note that high-quality + low-bitrate AV1 setup often requires using parameters that rise the time and processing power beyond what's typically sensible in an average setup without hw encoder. And compared with h265 this would be even higher since not only is h265 less complex and faster to begin with, but it also is often hw accelerated.
I can try it again, but what I did was compare h265 to SVT-AV1 in ffmpeg, using a couple different clips of different styles (including a video from my phone and some ripped blu-ray movies). I used “constant quality / variable bitrate settings, and ran each file with a variety of settings for both encoders. I judged the videos with a quality comparison tool ffmpeg has, and I also took subjective notes when I could tell the difference.
I found AV1 did better at very low quality (when it was firmly into the region where it was visibly different, AV1 did have better quality per bitrate).
But when trying to produce high-quality clips, AV1 was never able to produce a clip that matched the quality score of h265, even when the bitrate of the AV1 file was higher.
Very cool! I've only just recently gotten to experience the joys of AV1 for my own game recordings (Linux is way ahead of Windows here), and dang is it nice. 10 minute flashback recordings of 4K HDR@60 for only 2.5GB, and the results look fantastic. Can just drag and drop it over to YouTube as well, it's fully supported over there.
Glad to see things moving, I'll be eager to check this out in a few years once it has wider support!
All these naysaysers in the comments here... It's obvious you have to keep the development pipeline moving. Just because we have one free codec at the stage of hardware support now does not mean the world can stop. There are always multiple codecs out there at various stages of adoption, that's just normal.
The main thing I want is small file size for the quality. Netflix, YouTube, and me agree on that.
Most of my stuff is AV1 today even though the two TVs I typically watch it on do not support it. Most of the time, what I am watching is high-bitrate H.264 that was transcoded from the low-bitrate AV1.
I will probably move to AV2 shortly after it is available. At least, I will be an early adopter. The smaller the files the better. And, in the future when quality has gone up everywhere, my originals will play native and look great.
I want to agree with you and I do to a large extend. I like new codecs and having more opensourcy coded is better than using a codec that has many patents. long term patents(current situation) slows technological progress.
what I don't agree with you is some details.
first, Netflix youtube and so on need low bitrate and they (specially google/youtube) don't care that much about quality. google youtube video are really bit starved for their resolutions. netflix is a bit better.
second, many people when they discuss codecs they are referring to a different use case for them. they are talking about archiving. as in, the best quality codec at a same size. so they compare original (raw video, no lossy codec used) with encoded ones. their conclusion is that av1 is great for size reduction, but cant beat h264 for fidelity at any size. I think that h264 has a placebo or transparent profile but av1 doesn't.
so when I download a fi...I mean a linux ISO from torrents, I usually go for newest codec. but recently I don't go for the smallest size because it takes away from details in the picture.
but if I want to archive a movie (that I like a lot, which is rare) I get the bigger h264 (or if uhd blueray h265).
third: a lot of people's idea of codec quality is formed based on downloading or streaming other people's encoded videos and they themself don't compare the quality (as they don't have time or a good raw video to compare).
4th: I have heard av1 has issues with film grain, as in it removes them. film grain is an artifact of physical films (non-digital) that unfortunately many directors try (or used to) to duplicate because they grew up watching movies on films and think that movies should be like so they add them in in post production. even though it is literally a defect and even human eyes doesn't duplicate it so it is not even natural. but this still is a bug of av1 (if I read correctly) because codec should go for high fidelity and not high smoothness.
AV1 has issues with film grain. There are things you can do. Let me admit however that one movie that I have not encoded as AV1 is a restored version of the original Star Wars. And film grain is a contributor to that.
Another thing about film grain though is that it is often artificially added after as you say. With AV1, you can often get amazing compression that removes the grain as a side-effect and then just add it back yourself. To each their own how they feel about this approach.
I also agree that H.264 can be more transparent. However, that is at massive file sizes. Others may have the space for that but I do not.. Perhaps I do mot have the eyes for it either. I am not extracting and comparing single frames. To me, the AV1 files that I have look better at the size that I am archiving than they would using any other codec.
I use the fact that massive bit rate H.264 looks great to my advantage as that is what my AV1 is being transcoded into when I watch it most of the time.
Some content compresses better than others. Sometimes I get massive size reductions with AV1 at what looks like great quality to me. Other times, it struggles to beat H.265 or even H.264 at similar quality. It is pretty rare that I do not choose AV1 though.
I often use Netflix VMAF to get an idea of target compression. It is not perfect though. You have to verify visually. Saves time trialing different parameters though.
I should say that the audio codec is another big factor. I typically pair AV1 with Opus audio and the size reductions there are amazing even at quality levels that are transparent to me.
If AV2 offers better quality at the same size, or similar quality at smaller sizes, I will likely switch to it long before having hardware that can play it natively.
oh dont get me wrong. as I said I agree with most of your original (and now second post).
my gripe with grain was not about av1 per se. it was with movie makers that add it just because they think it is how movies should be
this is retarded to me: "Reasons to Keep Film Grain On: Artistic Effect: Film grain can add a nostalgic or artistic quality to video and photography, evoking a classic film look" because the reason is just "nostalgic" that the director has, as in if he was born after digital era, he would have an issue with it and not add it (usually).
about h264 and transparency, the issue is not that h264 can get that but at high bitrate, the issue is that av1 (as I read) can't get it at any bitrate.
but overall I agree with you.
I even recently was shocked to see how much faster av1 encoding has gotten. I would have thought it was still orders of magnitude, but with some setting (like x265 slow setting) av1 is has the same encoding speed.
Ogni tanto, per risolvere problemi pratici merdosi, mi invento soluzioni tecniche complesse e cursate… del tipo di reimplementare la API di WordPress dentro HTMLy per poter gestire il blog basato su quello con la app di WordPress… ma, questo è uno spoiler che non dovrei fare, almeno fintanto che non finisco di lavorarci, cazzarolina. Tuttavia, […]
sistemazioni contro il malore in HTMLy per scrivere decente (nuova funzione per editor Markdown a schermo intero)
Ogni tanto, per risolvere problemi pratici merdosi, mi invento soluzioni tecniche complesse e cursate… del tipo di reimplementare la API di WordPress dentro HTMLy per poter gestire il blog basato su quello con la app di WordPress… ma, questo è uno spoiler che non dovrei fare, almeno fintanto che non finisco di lavorarci, cazzarolina. Tuttavia, qualche altra volta, se il caso vuole, mi escono piuttosto soluzioni tecniche semplici ed eleganti… come, in questo caso, aggiustare l’editor di post già presente in HTMLy, senza sostituirlo, per risolvere i problemi pratici merdosi in un modo banalissimo: aggiungere una modalità fullscreen. 🤯
L’editor Markdown base dentro quel coso, fatto di una semplice <textarea> con una barra degli strumenti bonus (e scorciatoie da tastiera) per la formattazione, con un’anteprima a parte (che, tra l’altro, non è accurata rispetto a come il Markdown viene poi renderizzato dal frontend del sito, ma questa è un’altra rogna), per qualche motivo infatti non mi ha mai completamente convinto, ma non mi sono mai messa a riflettere abbastanza da capire come mai ciò fosse il caso… Almeno fino a prima di adesso (cioè, di qualche giorno fa), quando ho capito che il problema è il layout assoluto della pagina admin; non l’editor intrinsecamente, insomma, ma il contesto in cui questo è inserito. 👌
In breve, pensandoci, tutti gli editor di testo normali e i programmi di videoscrittura, e le interfacce di blogging di conseguenza, non hanno ‘sta cosa dove la pagina è un form classico con tremila campi, che scrolla pure verticalmente perché ovviamente è bella grande, e il contenuto sta in una delle tante scatoline… bensì è circa tutto il contrario, cioè che il contenuto è al primo posto e tutto il resto sta attorno. In qualcosa come il Blocco note di Windows, questo “attorno” è solo barra dei menu + barra di stato, mentre in WordPress è una serie di tasti importanti sopra e campi misti di lato (o in un menu a parte nella app Android), su Word è la barra gigante in alto, e così via… 🎐
Ma quindi, la soluzione a questo apparentemente insignificante dettaglio di UI/UX, che però mi causa (e penso a molti causerebbe) dei mal di testa (o, almeno, uno stato di controvoglianza nell’uso), — come sempre, perché le interfacce fatte per bene sono invisibili, mentre quelle che non lo sono causano sempre dolore — potrebbe sintetizzarsi in, semplicemente, aggiungere una funzione per cui il campo di testo dell’editor possa andare a finestra intera, prendendo precisamente tutto lo spazio, e non di più o di meno (più la barra degli strumenti fissata). ⚗️
Ora, ovviamente l’ideale massimo sarebbe in ogni caso solo rifare da capo l’intera pagina per farle avere alla base una struttura decente, ma significherebbe appunto ricostruire tutto; e sicuramente con JavaScript potrei riuscirci senza dover rompere ogni cosa, ma per ora chiaramente non c’ho voglia. Già questa piccola modifica tanto basterà per alleviare tantissimo il mal di capa causato da quello che spesso è un doppio scrolling (specialmente su mobile, dove la sofferenza viene credo triplicata), della pagina + l’area di testo (che non si ridimensiona mai automaticamente), o in alternativa il dover scrollare troppo la pagina per raggiungere altri campi se l’area fosse alta quanto il contenuto… e le controindicazioni sono assolutamente zero, quindi ho fatto subito una pull request al capo del progetto, fiduciosa che verrà accettata (quando si sveglia domani, che lui è indonesiano, quindi ora starà nel lettino). 🔧
Pure a livello di codice, ribadisco, non è stato difficile; è bastato un po’ di puro CSS per dichiarare il layout, e del JavaScript integrato nell’editor già esistente per attivare e disattivare l’ambaradan a necessità, col bottoncino o con la combinazione da tastiera che ho registrato (CTRL+P). Per mobile ho in realtà aggiunto anche una proprietà del meta viewport che ho scoperto letteralmente stasera, cioè interactive-widget=resizes-content, per indicare al browser (almeno, per Chromium e Safari si, su Firefox chi lo sa) di ridurre il l’area della pagina quando la tastiera virtuale è aperta, così da evitare un altro doppio scrolling che altrimenti ci sarebbe… e ora si che è comodo lì, pare nativo! 👄
Va detto comunque che l’idea di base non l’ho inventata io, anche se mi è dovuta comunque arrivare come intuizione personale perché io potessi considerarla (poiché non arriva mai nessuno da me a suggerirmi le cose in anticipo e semplificarmi così le missioni, mannaggia alla polvere). Infatti, pensandoci lo fa anche un plugin di cui non ricordo il nome che ho sulla mia DokuWiki, che aggiunge un tasto al campo di editing anch’esso semplice vecchio stile da <textarea>buttata in una pagina alla bene e meglio, per mandare a schermo intero… ma quell’implementazione è mezza rotta e meno elegante di cosa ho fatto io qui, che ho riutilizzato gli elementi già presenti nel DOM, senza duplicare il campo di testo o fare strane scemenze. Detto questo, però, è proprio strano che questa idea non solo non sia mai venuta al grande capo di HTMLy, ma nemmeno ad altri contributori… non esistono issue o pull request al riguardo, a parte qualcuno che vorrebbe sostituire l’intero editor Markdown con altri più avanzati (che no, non risolverebbe direttamente questo specifico mal di cervello, e lo so perché sulla mia installazione ci ho provato; non è la mancanza di WYSIWYG che mi uccide, è il layout che scrolla e fa cose che bleh… ma ora grazie al cielo non più). 🙌
Since I started to use HTMLy, the Markdown editor has always felt kind of strange to me for long posts. After a bit of reflecting, I noticed that this is because any other normal text or blog edito...
Israel's culture minister has threatened to axe funding for the country's national film awards after The Sea, a story about a 12-year-old Palestinian boy, won its top award.
Yea I wouldn't bother. I think the reply to the top comment says "if you don't support our cultural genocide movement you're a white supremacist. In general I have just stopped rooting for the human species.
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