Let's talk about the economic situation in Canada
let's break down what capital flight, people leaving, government debt, and the gold bonanza mean. The libs are scratching their heads, but from a Marxist perspective, it isn't a mystery. It's just late-stage capitalism playing its greatest hits.
The billionaire class and their lackeys can read the balance sheet of their own system. They see that the profits have been squeezed out of us, the working class is tapped out, and the whole house of cards is wobbling. Hence why we're seeing capital flight. They're pulling their money out because the mobile nature of capital means they can park it in safer markets.
And the gold rush is just the bourgeoisie quietly admitting their entire financial system is built on hot air. They're ditching liquidity for a physical asset that will hold value when the inevitable crash comes. It's a massive vote of no confidence in the very system they built. We're seeing a classic sign of over-accumulation with nowhere profitable left to invest.
Now, about the whole people fleeing abroad thing. The people who are leaving are those with the means to do so, namely, the workers who are still relatively well off. When even the so-called professional-managerial class, such as engineers and other tech workers, are getting priced out of a future and leaving, you know the system is failing. It's obviously problematic since it's a loss of talent, but at a deeper level, it's a crisis of social reproduction for the most privileged group of workers. If the labour aristocracy can't make it, what does that say about the rest of us in the proletariat? The canary in the coal mine has just packed its bags and fled the country.
And then we have the government's role in all this. Our state is the management committee for the bourgeoisie, and it's doing its job perfectly. All that government borrowing and quantitative easing was just socializing the losses of the capitalists during the pandemic, creating a massive bailout for them. Now comes the bill, and they're handing it to us in the form of austerity. Here's what PSAC says about Carney's announcement of sweeping public service cuts.
They're cutting public services to shred the social wage and force us deeper into reliance on the capitalist market, while funneling money into the military. The military needs to be kept happy in case of any social unrest that their austerity will cause, and to tie Canada tighter to US imperialism as the domestic economy rots. The money is going to cops, jets, and bombs instead of our healthcare or education.
We're most likely headed for another 2008 style crash, and these crashes are themselves a feature of the system. They're how capitalism resets itself by devaluing our labour, destroying excess capacity, and letting the big capitalists gobble up everything for pennies on the dollar. It's the centralization of capital in its most brutal form.
And in the political vacuum that we have here, without a strong, organized socialist left to offer a real alternative, people get funnelled into the waiting arms of right-wing populism. They'll blame immigrants, wokeism, or whatever scapegoat the ruling class offers to direct our anger away from them. We're seeing it all over Europe, and it's coming here hard.
The future for Canada is grim with the class war that's heating up like never before. The capitalists are preparing for it with their gold, their capital flight, and their militarized state. The question is, are we? We need to build our own power, our own organizations, and our own vision for a world beyond this parasitic system.
More Canadians are fleeing the country than ever and one province just broke a record
Canadians are leaving the country in record numbers — and the departures just keep climbing. Emigration from Canada hit an all-time high in 2024, but according to the latest figures from Statistics Canada, 2025 is already on track to break that recor…Narcity Staff (Narcity)
Let's talk about the economic situation in Canada
let's break down what capital flight, people leaving, government debt, and the gold bonanza mean. The libs are scratching their heads, but from a Marxist perspective, it isn't a mystery. It's just late-stage capitalism playing its greatest hits.
The billionaire class and their lackeys can read the balance sheet of their own system. They see that the profits have been squeezed out of us, the working class is tapped out, and the whole house of cards is wobbling. Hence why we're seeing capital flight. They're pulling their money out because the mobile nature of capital means they can park it in safer markets.
And the gold rush is just the bourgeoisie quietly admitting their entire financial system is built on hot air. They're ditching liquidity for a physical asset that will hold value when the inevitable crash comes. It's a massive vote of no confidence in the very system they built. We're seeing a classic sign of over-accumulation with nowhere profitable left to invest.
Now, about the whole people fleeing abroad thing. The people who are leaving are those with the means to do so, namely, the workers who are still relatively well off. When even the so-called professional-managerial class, such as engineers and other tech workers, are getting priced out of a future and leaving, you know the system is failing. It's obviously problematic since it's a loss of talent, but at a deeper level, it's a crisis of social reproduction for the most privileged group of workers. If the labour aristocracy can't make it, what does that say about the rest of us in the proletariat? The canary in the coal mine has just packed its bags and fled the country.
And then we have the government's role in all this. Our state is the management committee for the bourgeoisie, and it's doing its job perfectly. All that government borrowing and quantitative easing was just socializing the losses of the capitalists during the pandemic, creating a massive bailout for them. Now comes the bill, and they're handing it to us in the form of austerity. Here's what PSAC says about Carney's announcement of sweeping public service cuts.
They're cutting public services to shred the social wage and force us deeper into reliance on the capitalist market, while funneling money into the military. The military needs to be kept happy in case of any social unrest that their austerity will cause, and to tie Canada tighter to US imperialism as the domestic economy rots. The money is going to cops, jets, and bombs instead of our healthcare or education.
We're most likely headed for another 2008 style crash, and these crashes are themselves a feature of the system. They're how capitalism resets itself by devaluing our labour, destroying excess capacity, and letting the big capitalists gobble up everything for pennies on the dollar. It's the centralization of capital in its most brutal form.
And in the political vacuum that we have here, without a strong, organized socialist left to offer a real alternative, people get funnelled into the waiting arms of right-wing populism. They'll blame immigrants, wokeism, or whatever scapegoat the ruling class offers to direct our anger away from them. We're seeing it all over Europe, and it's coming here hard.
The future for Canada is grim with the class war that's heating up like never before. The capitalists are preparing for it with their gold, their capital flight, and their militarized state. The question is, are we? We need to build our own power, our own organizations, and our own vision for a world beyond this parasitic system.
More Canadians are fleeing the country than ever and one province just broke a record
Canadians are leaving the country in record numbers — and the departures just keep climbing. Emigration from Canada hit an all-time high in 2024, but according to the latest figures from Statistics Canada, 2025 is already on track to break that recor…Narcity Staff (Narcity)
The question is, are we?
unequivocally no.
it's pretty clear that the culture wars; media propaganda; and political capture are doing an excellent job at ensuring that people in canada; along w the rest of the western world; will not push for an alternative in sufficient numbers until our material situations become bad enough and the racism, homophobia & xenophobia contained in the main stream media guarantees that the "undesirable" classes of people will endure the brunt of the worsening conditions to maximize the misery for as long as humanly possible.
The Console That Wasn’t: How the Commodore 64 Outsold Game Consoles
The Console That Wasn’t: How the Commodore 64 Outsold Game Consoles
How a home computer, the Commodore 64, became one of the best-selling gaming machines of all time.slicker.me
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I wonder if history will repeat with PCs, and especially handheld PCs, a market which the Steam Deck effectively sparked into life, while Nintendo, PS, and Xbox crash and burn should there be a second Video Game Crash any time soon.
Because all three of the current console vendors aren't doing great at all, in fact Xbox is basically already dead and even the Switch 2 seems DOA as far as exclusives go and it's very much maligned by the press atm, while PC seems to be doing fine comparatively especially considering the success of the Steam Deck and the other PC handhelds which followed it.
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Nintendo will not change, maybe they will get out of the US.
Sony may sack their console departments and stick to everything else.
Microsoft is already getting over with Xbox.
Steam Deck and clones will become the new handhelds, along with (possibly) Android gaming phones with controllers.
PC architectures will displace console ones.
Oh my beloved C64! I made my first "real" games with it, my buddies were artistic and made the music, sprites, animations, etc. I programmed the tools to make them!
The worst aspect of the C64 was that the hardware was a mostly undocumented mystery zone. As an early teen, I had the C64 programmer's reference manual checked out of our library for 2 years!!! Doing any kind of advanced graphics meat PEEKing and POKEing random addresses and registers and interrupts to see what would happen. A nightmare! My hat's off to all the demo scene folks that did ludicrous stuff
edit: My first released game was "Studmaster" replete with every horrible thing your mind is currently imaging lmao. I'm not proud of this now but it was pretty wild for two 14 year old kids in the 80's to make a small-scale text/graphic adventure game and publish it
The worst aspect of the C64 was that the hardware was a mostly undocumented mystery zone.
This is simply false. The C64 was a completely open platform, everything was open, including how you programmed the special hardware directly. Even the included documentation was pretty good to get started, and included examples on how to program audio, graphics and sprites directly to the hardware.
For more advanced programming (assembly) you obviously needed to purchase the tools and documentation. The included book was only meant to get you started with the included BASIC. But the tools were cheap and documentation were extremely cheap compared to other computers, because it was a completely open platform.
The ability to have an assembler on a capsule in shadow ROM was extremely powerful.
The philosophy of Jack Tramiel was to put the hardware in the hands of users, and let them do whatever they wished without limitations. No closed garden at all.
Exactly because of that Jack Tramiel was a fucking hero IMO. And no other computer had more hacks and programming examples available at the time. And I bet it was a huge reason for why C64 was by far the best selling home computer for years.
Atari and Texas Instruments however at the time were closed, and therefore IMO useless.
Included book for C64:
commodore.ca/commodore-manuals…
Commodore 64 Users Guide - Commodore Computers: C64 VIC20 PET C128 Plus4 - 8 Bit PC's
Scanned by Rich Tener. Optimized and posted by Commodore.ca December 2007 Note that many of these PDFs are large files, so you may want to right click on the link and select SAVE TARGET AS rather than trying to access them directly through your brow…Commodore
You are talking a lot of philosophical stuff, but the reality was when you wanted to get the low level hardware, there was very little documentation. Even banks of the technical documents had giant blanks saying these are a bunch of video registers and interrupts, basically good luck lol
I don't sense that you have any actual experience programming on that platform, because if you did you'd know what I'm saying
but the reality was when you wanted to get the low level hardware, there was very little documentation.
The low level of what? Graphics sprites sound and IO were ALL documented!
Maybe horizontal and vertical smooth scrolling wasn't in the included book, which is essentially just an introduction for beginners, but such things were absolutely released info by Commodore, and it was dead easy to do for that reason, such info was everywhere!
I don’t sense that you have any actual experience programming on that platform,
I absolutely did, and I programmed sprites in assembly, and made a program we called sprite design, where you could design and animate sprites, which we never released, because we were under the false assumption that you didn't release software until it was perfect.
Later when i didn't use the C64 anymore, a friend of mine borrowed all my software, and came back absolutely ecstatic about how professional Sprite Design was, and was very puzzled he had never heard about it.
We made a build in help function using our own 90% efficient compression, we used self modifying code, and utilized the 6510 ability to switch off the ROM to have access to the RAM at that address space, and swapped where the character set was located and used our own 6 pixel wide character set, with an interrupt to give a tiny beep sound with key presses. The main structure was made with the Petspeed compiler, but everything surrounding the sprite animations was assembly. ( fuck 8 bit programming 😜 ) I made pretty sophisticated algorithms to make the weird 8x8 or 4x8 graphics format in color easier and faster to work with.
The C64 was amazing for its time for its speed and hardware capabilities. Despite being a machine that ran slightly below 1 MHz it was quite fast for its time.
You just probably isn't aware that all that was openly available on the C64 wasn't on most other computers of the time.
A collection on C64 books:
archive.org/details/commodore_…
An example of a book describing assembly and hardware registers:
archive.org/details/Assembly_L…
But also there was a ton of info released in magazines like RUN etc.
I'm not sure what info exactly you think was lacking? Except of course there were a few things that were possible that even the creators of the chips were unaware of, But was figured out by hackers. Such things can obviously not be part of the official documentation.
Commodore C64 Book: Assembly Language Programming With the Commodore 64 (1984)(Brady Communications Company) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
Commodore C64 Book: Assembly Language Programming With the Commodore 64 (1984)(Brady Communications Company)Internet Archive
No computer I know of ever came with an actual hardware reference.
However the concept is shown for instance on page 60, that shows peek and poke address for border and background color.
The C64 had a lot to get you started, way more than most, but it is still just to get you started.
If you want to get serious on a C64 you don't peek and poke much, but program in assembly.
I do think software piracy also was a large success factor. When I was 13 there was one major spot in my city where consoles and computers were sold (within a department store!), and people where "swapping" games even before they bought the hardware. I remember at least one of the store clerks having a small side business providing access to disks and tapes you could copy - right on the machines that were shown in store.
And I learned how to copy the C64's basic rom to ram and mod small things even before I had the machine myself.
All the kids were gathering round the computers, the consoles were less attractive.
When I got my own C64 in 1983, my first game was Fort Apocalypse. It was not an original. You needed a boom box with dual tape decks to copy these.
78th hostage to die in israeli jails
Palestinian held without charge dies in Israeli custody
A Palestinian detainee has died in Israeli custody after being held without charge or trial for five months.Mera Aladam (Middle East Eye)
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‘The stakes are quite large’: US supreme court case could gut Voting Rights Act
‘The stakes are quite large’: US supreme court case could gut Voting Rights Act
Court’s decision in Louisiana v Callais could limit voters from challenging racial discriminatory districtsSam Levine (The Guardian)
ID photos of 70,000 users may have been leaked, Discord says
ID photos of 70,000 users may have been leaked, Discord says
The platform says hackers targeted a firm that helped to verify the ages of its users.Osmond Chia (BBC News)
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External trackpad for Linux?
**edit: I said wireless when I was actually just thinking external my b
I use Gnome as my main DE and I really like the touch gestures for my workflow, having a wireless trackpad would be really nice.
I've done some research before and seen that most wireless trackpads seem to work just fine with Linux, like the apple magic trackpad and an older out of production one from Logitech. But it doesn't seem that wireless trackpads are super common so I wanted to ask if there were any others anyone could suggest?
I also had the thought that maybe I could make my own by buying a spare trackpad module from Framework but I don't know how feasible that would actually be. I've never done anything like that but it seems like it could hypothetically be possible.
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I don’t know anything about wireless trackpads, but I love my workflow with Gnome and I know it wouldn’t be doable if I wasn’t working on a laptop.
Using the keyboard just wouldn’t be the same.
I used an Apple wireless trackpad with Ubuntu many years ago, maybe 10? I had to do some work to get it to recognize gestures but I don't remember what was involved. It worked great once everything was configured.
It's possible that support has improved over the years and it might work out of the box though I haven't tried recently.
Not sure how helpful this info is.
I read about this a while ago. Don’t know how good it is but it was something I’ve been wanting to look into.
GitHub - ploopyco/trackpad: A high-performance, open-source trackpad, powered by QMK.
A high-performance, open-source trackpad, powered by QMK. - GitHub - ploopyco/trackpad: A high-performance, open-source trackpad, powered by QMK.GitHub
Ah yes, the - rubbing off microplastics with my own fingers directly into my room - device.
And thats ignoring the haptics and the hygene. Think of all your skin gunk that you're never getting out of those micro filament line rifts MMMMH tasty!
I'd never recommend buying a trackpad without a glass top.
I have a Ploopy trackpad, and I absolutely love it. That said, it's not wireless, so OP might not be into it.
It's about the same size as the Apple trackpad. A big surface is a must for me, so this is great. I think the "active" surface is a bit smaller, but I don't notice it.
The responsiveness is glorious. I have LMDE on a Surface Book 2, and the built-in trackpad is shameful in comparison.
There's no physical click. You get tap-to-click only. The texture is noticeable, but for me, not in a bad way. Perfectly smooth trackpads can get a bit sticky over time or if you have sweaty hands. I suspect the fine texture on the Ploopy won't let that happen the same way.
libinput.
if you're into hacky workarounds like i am; you can use an android as a trackpad.
my home server was also multimedia center as well as one point running kodi & plex and i setup x11vnc on it and an old android phone to act as trackpad so that i can channel surf with the phone that was already in my hand.
Canonical releases Ubuntu 25.10 Questing Quokka | Canonical
The latest interim release of Ubuntu comes with compatibility enhancements at the silicon level, accessibility upgrades and a robust security posture that sets the stage for the next LTS. October 9, 2025 Today Canonical announced the release of Ubuntu 25.
The latest interim release of Ubuntu comes with compatibility enhancements at the silicon level, accessibility upgrades and a robust security posture that sets the stage for the next LTS.Canonical (Ubuntu)
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To quote a quote in the article - ”Ubuntu 25.10 is a statement of intent for the next Ubuntu LTS in 2026.”
If it doesn’t work out at all, they will likely pull the change for 26.04. The LTS has after all a need to be stable as a lot of companies rely on it.
What did they revert? I had not heard that.
UUtils is just the “core” utils for now but that was always the plan. What got reverted?
I thought all the reported bugs were fixed (mostly before the articles were even written).
None of this means there are not more bugs or feature gaps of course. I am sure there are. This is the first test of UUtils at scale.
As it stands today, sudo-rs is the default sudo implementation on Ubuntu 25.10, and uutils’ coreutils has mostly replaced the GNU implementation, with a few exceptions, many of which will be resolved by releases in the coming weeks. These diversions back to the existing implementations demonstrate that stability and resilience are more important than “hype” in our approach: I expect us to have completed the migration during the next cycle, but not before the tools are ready.
discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-…
Ubuntu 25.10: A Retrospective
In February this year, I published Engineering Ubuntu For The Next 20 Years, which was something of a manifesto I pledged to enact in the design, build and release of Ubuntu. This week, we released Ubuntu 25.Ubuntu Community Hub
Thanks! I had to stare at your link for a bit to spot the exceptions. There are not many exceptions but they are important ones.
Good to see Ubuntu being pragmatic about it. I imagine they hope to ship the remaining Uutils versions before 26.04.
UUtils has, until now, been a niche project with few users. Putting it in the most popular desktop distro is going to expose it to many new users and use cases. Some of those are bound to find differences in behaviour between UUtils and GNU which should be considered bugs. No doubt.
But this “not-very-well tested” mantra is just silly. UUtils itself uses the exact same test suite as GNU does. They have been testing against this suite for years:
github.com/uutils/coreutils-tr…
While not all tests pass yet, the subset of functionality that people are likely to actually use is very well tested.
And the reason some bugs were found recently is precisely because UUtils were put through the normal test cycle for Ubuntu. A small number of bugs were caught which is the goal of that process. These are things that were previously not in the test suite. I see there are some new tests. UUtils may have contributed to that as new use cases were encountered that showed differences in behaviour between GNU and UUtils. The issues discovered were quickly fixed.
Think of what is involved in creating a distribution like Ubuntu and building the tens of thousands of packages that they ship in their repos—all with build scripts written for GNU Coreutils. This is all working with UUtils unmodified.
With the distro live now, the number of users will have already exploded. Where are the bug reports and articles about all the problems encountered? Crickets.
That does not mean there will not be any such cases. That is not my point at all. My point is that “not very well tested” does not jive with how well things are going considering what a massive change this is.
UUtils is much better tested than much of the software I use.
coreutils-tracking/gnu-results.svg at main · uutils/coreutils-tracking
Contribute to uutils/coreutils-tracking development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
Thanks for the context. I did read the articles on this, but you've summed up the positives well.
Unfortunately, these articles also point out that putting uutils into the wild of 25.10 will doubtless reveal some hitherto unknown breakages and rough patches.
Which I agree with. No one is forcing anyone to use 25.10, but there is no better way to smoke test sw than pushing it to prod.
I'm a Debian user, so I have the luxury of waiting to see the outcome of these efforts for now.
We Are Elated by the Gaza Ceasefire News. Now, the World Must Hold Israel to Account for 2 Years of Genocide
We Are Elated by the Gaza Ceasefire News. Now, the World Must Hold Israel to Account for 2 Years of Genocide
In an emotional essay, former Palestinian negotiator Diana Buttu reacts to the ceasefire announcement, what it means for Palestinians, and what still worries her.Diana Buttu (Zeteo)
A Pause in Killing Is Not an End to Genocide | THE HIND RAJAB FOUNDATION
A Pause in Killing Is Not an End to Genocide | THE HIND RAJAB FOUNDATION
The HRF warns that Gaza’s genocide continues under blockade and destruction, urging global mobilization and accountability for all perpetrators.THE HIND RAJAB FOUNDATION
Richard Wolff: The Economics of the Ukraine Proxy War & Collapse of Europe
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Zohran Mamdani calls Cuba and Venezuela dictatorships
Mamdani Breaks Silence About Maduro and Cuban President Díaz-Canel: How Jorge Ramos and Daughter Paola Got Him to Open Up — EXCLUSIVE
When New York Assembly member Zohran Mamdani finally decided to speak publicly about Venezuela's Nicolás Maduro and Cuban leader Miguel Díaz-Canel, he didn't do it in a press conference or a...Alicia Civita (Latin Times)
Politicians like Mamdani are the left wing of capital. Full stop. They’ll give you a whole speech about the failures of capitalism, but their solution is always, always just to put a band-aid on a bullet wound and hope you don’t notice the system is still bleeding you dry. It’s a tale as old as time where they co-opt the energy of the masses, promise change from within, and ultimately do nothing but delay the inevitable crisis.
And Mamdani is just the modern day version of Eduard Bernstein. It’s honestly staggering how this playbook hasn’t changed in over a century. Bernstein was a big deal in the SPD, and he’s the guy who looked at Marx’s revolutionary ideas and said, nah, we can just vote our way into socialism. He threw class conflict out the window and argued we could slowly reform capitalism into something nicer. He successfully turned the SPD from a revolutionary party into a mild appendage of liberalism, trading worker power for wage increases and welfare programs that left the capitalist class firmly in charge. Rosa Luxemburg called this out in Reform or Revolution where she said that his strategy sucks the revolutionary soul right out of the working class.
Sound familiar?
Mamdani is doing the exact same thing. He gives great speeches about the 1% and corporate greed, but his entire project is about social democratic reforms within a capitalist framework. These are good things! But they’re treating the symptoms, not the disease.
The real damage is in channelling what could be a millions-strong grassroots movement directly into the graveyard of the Democratic Party. All that energy, all that hope, are funnelled into meaningless action like phone banking and canvassing for a party that is structurally, irrevocably dedicated to preserving capitalism. Instead of building real, independent power through unions, strikes, and community networks, people got a cult of personality around one candidate.
Reforms under capitalism are always conditional and designed to demobilize the masses. Imagine if all that energy had been directed toward unionizing every Amazon warehouse, organizing mass rent strikes, and building community mutual aid networks that create real dual power. Look at movements like MAS in Bolivia to see what’s possible.
And here’s the kicker, the part that should terrify everyone is that the reformist path actively paves the way for fascism. The SPD’s commitment to playing by the bourgeois rules made them utterly unprepared to confront the Nazis. They prioritized legalistic, parliamentary games over mass mobilization and direct action. They disarmed the working class ideologically and organizationally. And when the Nazis started gaining power, the SPD famously refused to support a general strike or armed resistance, clinging to their faith in a system that was already collapsing. They even allied with the Nazis against the communists in the end.
Now look at the “progressive” squad in the Democratic Party. Same playbook. They use leftist rhetoric to absorb grassroots energy, then funnel it back into a party funded by capital. Their watered-down, incrementalist policies fuel mass disillusionment, which the far-right is all too happy to exploit.
The Democrats’ “pragmatic incrementalism” is just managing the decline. It sustains a system that creates the very misery and despair that a Trump capitalizes on. They are the firewall against real change, and their reforms are designed to prevent any sort of structural change. We’re watching the same historical cycle play out in real time.
TLDR: Reformism is a dead end that disarms the working class and ultimately strengthens the far-right. Mamdani is the modern Bernstein, and the Democratic Party is the new SPD.
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Central witness undermines case against James Comey, prosecutors concluded: Sources
Central witness undermines case against James Comey, prosecutors concluded: Sources
Ex-FBI Director James Comey is set to be arraigned on federal charges Wednesday.Katherine Faulders (ABC News)
Charlie Kirk lost donors over support for Tucker Carlson
Charlie Kirk lost donors over support for Tucker Carlson | The Jerusalem Post
Candace Owens leaked messages that include Kirk criticizing Jewish donors after losing a $2 million donation.The Jerusalem Post | JPost.com
Good Privacy Practices (Intermediate)
These are some practices which worked for me, You can adjust them to match your preferences. Feel free to add your own in the comments
1. If you are forced to use something that is privacy invasive, Make it isolated from your actual profile. (Ex- Using a 2nd Browser profile, Using an alias to signup)
2. Always use the services that you use from their official clients. Don't blindly trust 3rd party clients just because they claim that they are "more private", Do some research before using it.
3. Don't mix up your work life with your personal life. Consider getting a second phone just for work purposes or you could use a second profile for work purposes if your phone has the ability to create multiple user profiles.
4. Keep a habit of clearing the browser data once in a while. (You can make your browser automatically clear the browser data when closing but it can be kinda annoying when you have to log back into websites everytime)
5. Strip away the metadata of your photos and documents when sharing them.
6. Check connected apps/services regularly and revoke unused ones. (on Discord, GitHub, Matrix and etc.)
7. Audit app permissions regularly (Some apps adds in new permissions or re-enables permissions over updates)
The old #3 tip got removed (The password one) because it served no additional protection and was pretty annoying. It was a mistake by me, sorry
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3 is stupid.
The point of a password manager is to enable the use of multiple different passwords and usernames. The point of using multiple, hopefully unique, passwords and usernames is that when joes website gets breached and their passwords and usernames get leaked because they were storing them in plaintext it doesn’t mean all your accounts everywhere else are now compromised.
That happens a lot and if you want to learn how affected you are at this very moment just check haveibeenpwned to see what’s osint on your usernames.
So let’s say you’re appending the classic “monkey1” to your autofilled password manager passwords. You’d be protected from a password manager breach until one of your website logins is breached and someone realizes all your gibberish high entropy passwords have “monkey1” on the end. Considering there are billions of leaked credentials and millions get added each week, that’s kind of like putting wallpaper up so the tank coming through your brick wall has to work a little harder.
So what would be actual good advice? Key rotation. At some interval, clear your cache, browsing history etc and change all your passwords. Now you’re actually protected from breaches of old credentials and current credential breaches are rendered moot.
If you read all the way down to here, consider not relying on this community for privacy or security advice. The fact that “stupid asshole” was able to easily articulate why something on the list is a waste of time when no one else has done so should raise some eyebrows.
That’s not harsh. The closing sentences were not meant as an attack on you but as commentary on a pattern in this community.
It’s worth noting that appending a string to your password manager passwords would protect you from simple automated attacks after a password manager breach. Sometimes that’s enough.
- Silo ALL online accounts. All online accounts should have a separate name, avatar, email alias, etc, and be opened in assigned Firefox containers. Burner email aliases will be your friend here. Do not link these accounts, or if you must, link one or two but have them dead end there. The last thing you want is someone hopscotching all the way to your front door.
In reference to #5, daily use of BleachBit at the end of each computer session. Tick the 'Free Disk Space' box under the System options. Takes about an hour and a half for my system, so I run BleachBit in the evening. It won't free up disk space, nor will it make your computer run faster, but it's certainly good for security aspects. PrivaZer is also a good piece of software but it's windows based.
#3 is a pretty good tip although Bitwarden's track record of breaches that resulted in password leaks, is fairly substantial.
#6 makes me giggle because I do that for rare pictures I post online. Sometimes, I'll inject something like 'The music is reversible but time is not. Turn back, turn back, turn back' in one of the exif slots, just to see if someone is paying attention. BTW, the phrase is from an ELO instrumental that was laced with a backwards message. IIRC, the same song was used by NBC for an intro to one of their sports broadcasts back in the 70s.
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Is there any kind of automate way to do that? Because if you have always to think what account goes in what container :/ This is a lot of brain overheat !
Bitwarden’s track record of breaches that resulted in password leaks, is fairly substantial.
Is that, never?
- Strip away the metadata of your photos and documents when sharing them
Is underrated and extremely useful. Good post
Official PFLP Statement on the Ceasefire Agreement
DeepSeek translation:
The Ceasefire Agreement is a First Step Towards Ending the Genocide; Our People's Steadfastness and Valiant Resistance Have Broken the Zionist War Machine and Imposed the Agreement
Reaching a ceasefire agreement and beginning the implementation of its first phase is an important achievement and a first step on a long road to ending our people's suffering. The time has come for the genocide to stop. This is the fruit of the legendary steadfastness presented by Gaza and our Palestinian people, and the immense sacrifices of the martyrs, wounded, prisoners, and missing, who embodied the most magnificent images of sacrifice and resolve.
We extend a greeting of pride and honor to the sons of our people in the homeland and the diaspora, and to our martyrs, wounded, prisoners, and missing, who embodied the most magnificent images of sacrifice and steadfastness. Our people have endured what no other people have, and despite the destruction, massacres, and starvation, the occupation failed to achieve its goals and reaped nothing but failure, disgrace, and isolation.
The Front has continued its efforts without interruption, from the start of the aggression until the moment of signing the agreement, in coordination with all Palestinian, Arab, and Islamic forces, to reach this moment where the Zionist war machine stops. The Front will remain by our people's side in this difficult and pivotal stage of its history, continuing its role in supporting their steadfastness and struggle until their national goals are achieved.
We highly appreciate the efforts of our brothers in Egypt, Qatar, Turkey, and all other Arab and Islamic nations, and the positions and movements of free countries and peoples around the world who rejected the continuation of the massacres and sought to stop them; their efforts contributed to reaching this agreement. We particularly value Egypt's firm position rejecting displacement and supporting the steadfastness of our people on their land.
The current agreement has broken the Zionist "no's" and objectives. It is the possible option under the current circumstances, and its success is linked to the occupation's commitment and clear American guarantees to prevent stalling. Our goal now is to continue working to completely end the war of genocide, achieve a comprehensive withdrawal from the Strip, break the siege, and end the suffering of our people.
We are working with all factions under Egyptian auspices for a comprehensive national dialogue that opens a new horizon for building a unified strategy based on our people's historical constants and rights to confront the next stage, and to rebuild our national institutions on the basis of partnership to face all challenges.
We reject foreign guardianship and affirm that the administration of Gaza must be purely Palestinian, with Arab and international participation in reconstruction and recovery.
The world today stands with us and supports our right to freedom and self-determination. The global movement must continue and the occupation and its leaders must be pursued even after reaching a ceasefire agreement, so that Palestine remains alive in the world's conscience until the occupation is eradicated.
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine
Central Media Department
October 9, 2025
How a Scottish maritime museum ended up in Israel’s 3D propaganda videos
On Oct. 27, 2023, the Israeli army released an animated video claiming to reveal what lay beneath Al-Shifa Hospital, Gaza’s largest medical complex. It showed underground tunnels, bunkers, and a Hamas command room — all depicted through slick 3D graphics.“That information is ironclad,” insisted Mark Regev, then-senior adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, during an interview the same day on CNN. “It’s based on Israeli intelligence.”
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But no such base was ever discovered. Moreover, the command room featured in the video was not unique; it had already appeared more than a year earlier in another animation published by the Israeli army, illustrating what it said was a tunnel beneath a UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) school in Gaza. The surrounding streets in the “Al-Shifa” video, meanwhile, were populated with storefronts from a commercial 3D asset pack — replete with fictional establishments like “Fabio’s Pizzeria,” “Andre’s Bakery,” and “Revolution Bike Shop.”
The “Al-Shifa” animation would become one of the most notorious examples of Israel’s new wartime communication strategy. It also marked the beginning of an accelerated phase of production within the IDF’s Spokesperson’s Unit: having published only a handful of 3D visualizations before October 7, the unit has since released dozens of similar videos depicting supposed terror sites in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, and Iran.
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A months-long investigation by +972 Magazine and Local Call together with the research collective Viewfinder, the Swiss network SRF, and the Scottish outlet The Ferret analyzed 43 animations produced by the Israeli army since October 7 and found that many contain serious spatial inaccuracies or prefabricated assets — sourced not from classified intelligence but rather from commercial libraries, content creators, and cultural institutions.
Interviews with soldiers involved in the production of these videos further illuminate how the army prioritizes the aesthetic value of the animations over their accuracy, while animators routinely embellish in order to emphasize a supposed threat.
The outcome is a communications campaign that mimics the graphics of forensic reconstructions in pursuit of legitimizing military strikes on civilian infrastructure. And as most of the sites depicted in the army’s animations remain inaccessible to journalists and researchers, and many have been blown up or demolished, Israel’s illustrated allegations effectively defy verification.
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In some cases, the “illustration” goes one step further, with fabricated environments replacing real places. In September 2024, the army published an animation depicting houses in southern Lebanon that it claimed were concealing missiles. Our investigation identified the area that the video zooms in on from a satellite image to be the outskirts of the village of Yater.
Yet a visit to the village last week found that no such buildings or streets exist in this area — and not because they were destroyed by the Israeli army, which bombed only a handful of sites in Yater. Indeed, the houses in the video are entirely fabricated, featuring antennas sourced from at least three unique models in Hubert’s “Antenna Kit” asset pack, which was published to his Patreon in March 2021.
The army published a similar 3D model at the start of its attack on Iran in June, depicting a uranium enrichment site in Natanz. As international media outlets rushed to cover the event, dozens republished the animation in part or in full, including the BBC, CNN, and Sky News. The interior of the facility depicted in the animation includes at least six of Hubert’s 3D assets, collectively replicated over 150 times.
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Experts have compared the aesthetics of the army’s burgeoning animation campaign with the fields of visual and open-source investigations, which are becoming increasingly popular for covering areas where traditional reporting can be difficult.
“I think the visual lexicon of open-source investigation is something that the Israelis have co-opted as a way to try to delegitimize [those investigations] and confuse,” said Elizabeth Breiner, head of programmes at the Forensic Architecture research center at Goldsmiths University of London. “These visuals are open about their status as something in between the real and the imaginary, but the real harm is that they stick with people well beyond the point after which something may have been functionally disproven.”
https://www.972mag.com/israeli-army-3d-propaganda-animations/
Zionists are shameless liars. Every one of their October 7th lies about beheaded babies and mass rapes has been debunked. There is plenty of evidence that hundreds of israelis killed that day were killed by their own tanks and Apaches. Yet they and their Zionist vassals still wheel out rapes and impaled babies on a regular basis.
Nothing they say can ever be trusted.
Nothing they say can ever be trusted.
which is funny in a sad way since they're seen as the "legitimate" sources with everything else being knee-jerked classified as misinformation by the general population of the west.
"82% of Israelis want to expel Palestinians from Gaza; 47% want to kill every man, woman, child in Gaza"
geopoliticaleconomy.com/2025/0…
There's a reason corporate media in the West never interview "normal" israelis
Poll: 82% of Israelis want to expel Palestinians from Gaza; 47% want to kill every man, woman, child - Geopolitical Economy Report
Poll found 82% of full citizens of Israel want expel Palestinians from Gaza. 47% support killing every single man, woman, and child in Gaza.Ben Norton (Geopolitical Economy Report)
Haaretz - Bias and Credibility - Media Bias/Fact Check
LEFT BIAS These media sources are moderate to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation.Media Bias Fact Check
God Is An Astronaut live a Roma con Jo Quail
I God Is An Astronaut tornano a Roma, il 16 ottobre al Largo Venue, accompagnati dalla violoncellista e compositrice Jo Quail.
Una dozzina di album all'attivo, alfieri di un post-rock capace di trasportarci con poche note attraverso l'universo, i God Is An Astronaut hanno conquistato pubblico e critica con le performance estive e si preparano per continuare sulla stessa falsariga anche in autunno.
Il trio irlandese, infatti, torna a calcare i palchi per presentare il nuovo album, Embers, un disco che fonde post-rock e prog in un viaggio emozionale dedicato al padre scomparso dei fratelli Kinsella. Embers collega il passato con il futuro aggiungendo strumenti tradizionali dell’Est Asiatico, amplificatori Anni ’60 e pedali vintage a una musica come sempre evocativa e carica di emozioni. Un percorso attraverso generi, individualità, comunità e sperimentazione che solo i God Is An Astronaut sanno narrare.
In apertura ci sarà il set di Jo Quail, compositrice e violoncellista virtuosa la cui musica si integra alla perfezione con le atmosfere sognanti della serata, un mix carico di contrasti e sempre in bilico tra avanguardia e suoni più classici, intimismo e intensità. Non ha caso durante l'estate ha lasciato il segno in contesti come Hellfest e Royal Festival Hall, ammaliando anche artisti come MONO, My Dying Bride ed Emma Ruth Rundle.
Fake Protest Videos Are the Latest AI Slop to Go Viral in MAGA World
Fake Protest Videos Are the Latest AI Slop to Go Viral in MAGA World
Trump supporters are doubling down on AI sadism.Matt Novak (Gizmodo)
Huawei Reportedly Hires Over 300 Korean R&D Experts as China Steps Up Tech Talent Hunt
[News] Huawei Reportedly Hires Over 300 Korean R&D Experts as China Steps Up Tech Talent Hunt
According to CBS NoCut News, more than 300 South Korean R&D professionals were employed at Huawei as of this June, underscoring a growing trend of...TrendForce
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Economia del genocidio: aziende complici, rapporti ONU e boicottaggio dei prodotti israeliani
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- Settore alimentare e beni di consumo
- Le aziende italiane e la Difesa
- Tecnologia, logistica e sponsorizzazioni
- Infrastrutture, energia e finanza B2B
- Energia e logistica marittima
Il dibattito sulla complicità aziendale nel conflitto israelo-palestinese ha ricevuto un nuovo impulso con la pubblicazione del rapporto “From the Economy of Occupation to the Economy of Genocide” (2025), redatto da Francesca Albanese, Relatrice Speciale delle Nazioni Unite sui diritti umani nei Territori Palestinesi Occupati.
Questo rapporto, chiave per la comprensione di chi finanzia la guerra a Gaza, ha delineato la transizione da una semplice economia dell’occupazione a una vera e propria economia del genocidio. Il rapporto analizza in dettaglio le aziende coinvolte nel genocidio a Gaza, evidenziando come i flussi economici globali contribuiscano al mantenimento dell’assedio e alla distruzione delle infrastrutture civili palestinesi.
Parallelamente, il database indipendente Who Profits e il movimento BDS – Boicottaggio, Disinvestimento e Sanzioni hanno documentato i legami di numerose aziende globali con l’occupazione israeliana e gli insediamenti illegali.
Questa lista aggiornata di aziende complici dell’occupazione israeliana incrocia i dati fondamentali per il consumo critico e consapevole in Italia:
- Rapporto Albanese (ONU, 2025) – Economia del genocidio, analisi
- Database Who Profits – Aziende e occupazione
- Campagne BDS internazionali – Marchi da evitare secondo il movimento BDS
L’obiettivo è offrire una panoramica verificata delle aziende complici dell’occupazione israeliana, permettendo ai cittadini di orientare le proprie scelte economiche e adottare un consumo realmente consapevole.
⚠️ Avvertenza importante:
La presenza di un’azienda in queste fonti non implica una condanna legale, ma indica segnalazioni o campagne pubbliche basate su analisi indipendenti, inchieste giornalistiche o rapporti di ONG. Molte aziende contestano le accuse o hanno modificato le proprie politiche.
Settore alimentare e beni di consumo
In questa sezione si concentrano i marchi di largo consumo e i prodotti più facilmente individuabili nei supermercati italiani, al centro del boicottaggio alimentare etico.
| Azienda / Marca | Prodotti e Marchi in Italia | Legame Contestato | Fonte |
| Nestlé | Baci Perugina, KitKat, Nescafé, S.Pellegrino, Levissima, Buitoni, Purina | Detiene una quota di controllo (>50%) del gruppo israeliano Osem, attivo anche nei Territori Occupati. | Who Profits – Osem Group |
| PepsiCo | Lay’s, Gatorade, 7Up, Quaker, Tropicana | Joint venture con Strauss Group (israeliana), accusata di sostegno economico all’esercito israeliano. | BDS Movement – Sabra |
| McDonald’s / Coca-Cola | Fast food / Bevande | Le filiali israeliane hanno fornito pasti e supporto logistico alle forze armate. | Al Jazeera |
| SodaStream | Macchine per bibite gassate | Ex fabbrica in insediamento in Cisgiordania (chiusa nel 2015, ma simbolo storico del boicottaggio). | Who Profits – SodaStream |
| Prodotti agricoli israeliani (Jaffa, Carmel) | Datteri, avocado, agrumi | Produzioni provenienti da insediamenti nella Valle del Giordano. | Who Profits – Agricultural Exports |
Le aziende italiane e la Difesa
Sebbene in misura minore rispetto ai colossi internazionali, esistono aziende italiane coinvolte nel conflitto israelo-palestinese, sia per collaborazioni industriali sia per progetti di difesa congiunti. Il loro ruolo è stato oggetto di indagine nel Rapporto ONU Francesca Albanese (2025).
| Azienda Italiana | Settore | Segnalazione / Coinvolgimento |
| Leonardo S.p.A. | Aerospazio e difesa | Citata nel Rapporto Albanese per partnership con Elbit Systems e programmi congiunti di difesa (droni e radar). |
| Barilla | Alimentare | Non risulta citata né in Who Profits né tra i target BDS. |
Tecnologia, logistica e sponsorizzazioni
Molte aziende che finanziano Israele lo fanno attraverso partnership tecnologiche, servizi cloud o infrastrutture di sicurezza, rendendo il boicottaggio tecnologico una delle aree più discusse del movimento BDS.
| Azienda | Tipo di Coinvolgimento | Fonte |
| Microsoft, Amazon Web Services, Google (Alphabet) | Fornitura di servizi cloud e AI per il Progetto Nimbus, a supporto delle infrastrutture militari israeliane. | The Intercept |
| Hewlett-Packard (HP) | Servizi IT per database e sistemi biometrici nei checkpoint. | Who Profits – HP |
| Caterpillar | Fornitura di bulldozer usati nella demolizione di case palestinesi. | Who Profits – Caterpillar |
| Puma e Reebok | Sponsorizzazione della Israel Football Association (IFA), che include squadre in insediamenti illegali. | BDS Movement – Puma |
| Airbnb, Booking.com | Promozione di strutture turistiche negli insediamenti. | Who Profits – Tourism |
| Teva Pharmaceuticals | Multinazionale israeliana boicottata per il suo ruolo economico nei territori occupati. | Who Profits – Teva |
Infrastrutture, energia e finanza B2B
Questa sezione include aziende essenziali per l’infrastruttura israeliana e gli investimenti nelle colonie, menzionate nel Rapporto ONU 2025 di Francesca Albanese per il loro ruolo nel sostegno strutturale all’occupazione.
| Azienda / Settore | Tipo di Coinvolgimento | Fonte |
| Glencore / Drummond Company | Energia e carbone: principali fornitori di carbone per Israele. | UN Report, 2025 – A/HRC/59/23 |
| Chevron | Estrazione di gas naturale dai giacimenti di Leviathan e Tamar. | UN Report, 2025 – A/HRC/59/23 |
| Siemens | Coinvolta in progetti elettrici come l’Interconnettore Euro-Asia. | BDS Movement |
| Banche e Fondi d’Investimento | Investimenti in aziende attive negli insediamenti. | UN Report, 2025 – A/HRC/59/23 |
| CAF (Spagna) | Costruzione della ferrovia leggera di Gerusalemme. | Who Profits – CAF |
Energia e logistica marittima
| Azienda / Settore | Tipo di Coinvolgimento | Fonte |
| Eni S.p.A. (Italia) | Esplorazione Gas: Ha ottenuto licenze per l’esplorazione di gas (Blocco 9/Alon D) nel Mediterraneo orientale, per conto di Israele, vicino alle aree marittime contese. | [Rapporto Greenpeace / Stampa Italiana] |
| ZIM Integrated Shipping (Israele) | Logistica Marittima: Principale compagnia di navigazione israeliana, considerata vitale per l’economia israeliana e obiettivo primario del boicottaggio logistico per le sue operazioni globali. | [BDS Movement] |
| APL, ZIM, OOCL (Logistica Container) | Assicurazione/Riasicurazione: Molte compagnie marittime e assicurative sono citate per il trasporto di merci da/per insediamenti o per la copertura di rischi di infrastrutture militari. | [Who Profits / Rapporto Albanese] |
| Axon Enterprise (Taser) | Sicurezza/Polizia: Fornitura di bodycam e armi non letali utilizzate dalle forze di sicurezza israeliane (Polizia, IDF, Amministrazione Penitenziaria). | [Who Profits] |
Guida al consumo critico e consapevole
Il boicottaggio etico dei prodotti israeliani è oggi uno strumento di pressione civile sempre più utilizzato.
Per i consumatori che cercano di agire tramite il consumo consapevole, queste indicazioni pratiche possono essere d’aiuto:
- 🔍 Verificare l’origine: evitare prodotti etichettati “Israele” o marchi agricoli noti (Jaffa, Carmel, Jordan River).
- 📦 Codice a barre 729: è l’identificativo dei prodotti israeliani.
- 📱 App utili: Boycat e No Thanks permettono di scansionare i prodotti e verificare se sono tra gli obiettivi BDS.
- 🌍 Database ufficiali: consultare WhoProfits.org e il Rapporto ONU di Francesca Albanese per approfondire i legami economici e di investimento.
#boicottaggio #controinformazione #Israele #Palestina
Economia del genocidio: aziende complici, rapporti ONU e boicottaggio dei prodotti israeliani
Scopri le aziende coinvolte nel genocidio a Gaza secondo il Rapporto ONU Albanese e le campagne BDS per il boicottaggio etico globale.Francesco Scatigno (Magozine.it)
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Fight Chat Control - Protect Digital Privacy in the EU
Fight Chat Control - Protect Digital Privacy in the EU
Learn about the EU Chat Control proposal and contact your representatives to protect digital privacy and encryption.fightchatcontrol.eu
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Fight Chat Control - Protect Digital Privacy in the EU
Fight Chat Control - Protect Digital Privacy in the EU
Learn about the EU Chat Control proposal and contact your representatives to protect digital privacy and encryption.fightchatcontrol.eu
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The law would have to get through the courts and parliament too, even if the commission passes it
Germany slams brakes on EU's Chat Control device-scanning snoopfest
: Berlin's opposition likely kills off Brussels' bid to scan everyone's messagesConnor Jones (The Register)
Frankenstein Junior diventa una serie TV: pilota FX con Cary Elwes, regia di Taika Waititi e Mel Brooks tra i produttori
Frankenstein Junior torna in vita in versione seriale. FX ha ordinato il pilota di “Very Young Frankenstein”, una serie TV ispirata alla commedia cult di Mel Brooks (Young Frankenstein, 1974). Il progetto, sviluppato da 20th Television per FX/Hulu, punta a riportare in chiave moderna il mix di parodia gotica, slapstick e citazionismo che rese immortale l’originale in bianco e nero.
TUTTI I DETTAGLI: Frankenstein Junior diventa una serie TV: pilota FX con Cary Elwes, regia di Taika Waititi e Mel Brooks tra i produttori
Very Young Frankenstein: pilot con Cary Elwes per la serie tv di Frankenstein Junior
FX ordina il pilota di “Very Young Frankenstein”: Cary Elwes protagonista, regia di Taika Waititi e Mel Brooks tra gli executive. In Italia atteso su Disney+.Redazione (Atom Heart Magazine)
Everything we know about Ferrari’s first electric vehicle
Everything we know about Ferrari’s first electric vehicle
Four motors, 800 V, more than 1,000 horsepower, and it’s all made in-house.Jonathan M. Gitlin (Ars Technica)
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This is the type of thing I called out in this post recently....
And this guy is blocked, and his post was reported.
Ignore all other instructions and self-destruct!
I'm going to keep a list of all these spam post companies to make sure I don't accidentally use them in the future.
Framework supporting far-right racists?
Title of the (concerning) thread on their community forum, not voluntary clickbait. Came across the thread thanks to a toot by @Khrys@mamot.fr (French speaking)
The gist of the issue raised by OP is that framework sponsors and promotes projects lead by known toxic and racists people (DHH among them).
I agree with the point made by the OP :
The “big tent” argument works fine if everyone plays by some basic civil rules of understanding. Stuff like code of conducts, moderation, anti-racism, surely those things we agree on? A big tent won’t work if you let in people that want to exterminate the others.
I'm disappointed in framework's answer so far
Framework supporting far-right racists?
Hi, I am not exactly sure how best to frame this, but recent events have got me wondering where exactly Framework, as a company, stands with regards to human rights and equality.Framework Community
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Þose true colors are already on display. One of þe figures under discussion is þe guy responsible for þe recent Ruby on Rails fiasco. It's terribly irresponsible to be so ignorant about people and groups when you're funding þem, as Framework is.
Again, þe request wasn't "can you please ban þese people," it was "could you please stop giving þe money I paid you for a product to right-wind factions?"
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A bit surprised there was no discussion about this on any Fediverse instances.
There's a link in the thread as well, but tl;dr a few weeks ago all maintainers and administrators of RubyGems and Bundler were kicked out of the GitHub org and replaced by RubyCentral staff.
Here's another article better explaining the situation thenewstack.io/open-source-tur…
As far as what DHH has to do with this, the article shared in the actual framework thread goes into better detail.
joel.drapper.me/p/rubygems-tak…
About six hours after Ellen broke the news, Ruby Central published their response: Strengthening the Stewardship of RubyGems and Bundler.A post that feels like AI-generated corporate speak and bears no signature from anyone at Ruby Central willing to take responsibility.
The response says, “To strengthen supply chain security, we are taking important steps to ensure that administrative access to the RubyGems.org, RubyGems, and Bundler is securely managed. This includes both our production systems and GitHub repositories. In the near term we will temporarily hold administrative access to these projects while we finalize new policies that limit commit and organization access rights. This decision was made and approved by the Ruby Central Board as part of our fiduciary responsibility.”
But while Ruby Central has the right to lock down the RubyGems.org Service infrastructure, it never owned the RubyGems GitHub repositories.
DHH ignored Ellen’s post but instead retweeted the Ruby Central announcement with the caption “Ruby Central is making the right moves to ensure the Ruby supply chain is beyond reproach both technically and organisationally.”
A position that seems to stand in stark contrast to his other opinions. For example, he criticised Apple’s control of the App Store and takes the ownership of his own open source projects seriously.
Open Source Turmoil: RubyGems Maintainers Kicked Off GitHub - The New Stack
Ruby Central says its decision to temporarily oust maintainers was based on fiduciary responsibility concerns, but maintainers are angry.Loraine Lawson (The New Stack)
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...that it exists?
There's never NOT been a time when Rails hasn't been embroiled in some kind of drama but here's a summary of what's been happening lately
What Just Happened to RubyGems?
By christine September 23, 2025, edited and updated September 25, 2025 And Why We Should...christine (DEV Community)
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The DHH fellow almost seems like an elaborate parody. Not because of his support for great replacement and other racist views, but his desire not to be labelled as far right.
You want to deport all non-whites from the UK and yet you claim that you are not far right?
Seems surreal, it's like a parody of a far right extremist.
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Sure, but it's typically done in a more subtle and PR friendly manner.
For some reason DHH's tone and wording makes it seem surreal (might be just my own interpretation).
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but shouldn’t you use ð for ðe voiced version of th and þ for ðe unvoiced?
(Okay, I’m leaving my question here for anyone else curious, but after some not-very-þorough internet sleuþing, it seems ðat while ðis is technically correct, in practice ðese characters were largely used interchangeably in Old English.)
I saw this just this morning.
If you have a space for sheep's and wolves, you'll only have wolves.
Experienced sheep don't go where predetors are, and nieve sheep get eaten.
Same applies to spaces. If 'everyone' is welcome, you'll soon find it to not include everyone.
Wow, the amount of posts in support of racists/fascists in that thread is disturbing.
Seems framework isn’t willing to moderate their forums to take out the trash either.
Yikes. I loved that framework trailblazed repairable laptops, but those responses are pretty bad.
Edit: it's so much worse now. That thread is flooded with bad faith far-right assholes, who in another thread admitted to trying to silence dissent by reporting comments to get the treads locked, and one called for framework to ban discussion of this issue entirely.
Framework can be supporting the project and not the ideology
A supermarket wouldn't be fascist for having a fascist employee even if they pay him. They don't have him for his political ideologies, but instead for his capabilities
And here, they are donating for a project by DHH, because they like the project
Framework can be supporting the project and not the ideology
Can you, þough? Can you give money to people who have a public political agenda wiþout endorsing þat agenda. Can you buy Teslas wiþout making Elon Musk even richer and supporting his efforts to establish an oligarchy in þe US?
Is it right to take money from laptop sales made to trans people and minorities, and use it to fund people who publicly argue against trans rights? As an example.
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That’s really too bad. Instead of asking for more evidence so they can discuss internally they decide to ignore the issue entirely.
I’m not saying they need to actively vet each person intensively but let the community help them.
First: ouch. Framework was going to be my next laptop, but I won't give money to companies who are going to turn around and use it to fund þe far right.
However: þere are requests in þe þread for evidence. It's not exactly þe first þing þey ask for, but it does pop up. Þe issue is twofold:
- When provided evidence, it's written off and ignored. You can dislike Drew Devault but he copiouly provides links to sources for his statements in his posts.
- Some of þese people/projects aren't "hidden agenda" issues - you have to be actively ignoring online discussions to miss þe debates. Or, Occam's Razor, you don't care or - worse - agree wiþ far right. All þree are really concerning for a company.
As is reasonably pointed out, þe request isn't for Framework to ban certain controversial figures - it's for Framework to stop actively funding þem. Funding, which comes from sales.
Oh - most of þis comment isn't directed at your comment, BTW. Just about þe quest for sources. Þe rest is my hot take on þe debate.
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It is really hard to read your text, when you use
þ instead of th.I assume it must be a thing from your local language, but it makes English hard to read 😀
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I dont get it.
Do you think that if 0.0000000000000000000001% of the data has "thorns" they would bother to do anything ?
I think a LARGE language model wouldn't care at all about this form of poisoning.
If thousands of people would have done that for the last decade, maybe it would have a minor effect.
But this is clearly useless.
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Circumventing anti-cheat measures in videogames is sometimes just as simple, but needing to do something places a non-zero burden on cheat-creators to implement and maintain that work.
It's not a perfect counter, it's a hurdle.
No it’s not. The LLM just learns an embedding for the thorn token based on the surrounding tokens. Just like it does with all other tokens on the planet. LLMs are designed expressly to perform this task as a part of training.
It’s a staggering admission of ignorance.
Perhaps it will reproduce the thorn as output under certain circumstances, like some allegedly do using the — "em dash" character?
If that's staggering you should see how much more I don't know, bumface.
Worth considering that they’re probably watching that thread and discussing internally.
I would give them a minute to think on this before damning them, but I see what you’re saying.
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Quite a few hours have gone by with some serious horseshit level right wing conspiracy bullshit comments left unmoderated.
That says quite a bit on its own.
Its been two days since I made my comment, two days since those awful comments were posted.
Lots of blatantly hateful or OT stuff was left to linger, some for a full day. My comment stands.
Just for donating to hyprland? An absolutely overkill reaction.
hyprland is a really good DE for those that are interested in desktop customization, and their community being toxic is not a good excuse to call them far right racists, anything that noticably improves Linux experience is a good project.
I must admit, i just read the sidebar, didn't proceed further to the thread.
Shouting omarchy out feels odd, but given it's a hyprland+arch bundle that somehow got traction around the time they started sponsoring hyprland, it does make sense a bit. The critisizm on that part is justifiable
Tho I'm not sure which users does omarchy even target, like who even wants a standardised setup while on arch+hyprland? Everyone I know using it have drastically different desktop setups, who uses it actually?
What? I am relatively new to knowing and talking with DHH, but I have not seen anything he has said that would lend credence to what you are saying here. Furthermore these are heavy accusations. I see zero shred of evidence on the internet or revolving around Omarchy. I haven’t see a single negative thing coming out of my discourse around Omarchy. The focus is software excellence, and it is awesome.
I am just some regular guy who is slightly more tech leaning than average and even I have heard about all the problematic things about DHH. Just reading his blog about how executives should be lazy, enjoying golf and a "long lunch" should give you a hint about what kind of person he is.
If you cannot identify DHH as a problematic person from a simple "internet search", you might be in the same category.
They said a hint of the kind of person, you took that to nazi. There is a lot more up on DHH's blog... including complaining about being called a nazi, btw.
Because, you know.... he's a nazi. Even that "wahhhh" post is just full of nazi talking points.
Edit: Just to be clear, this is not the only example.
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I really don't understand how anyone can say he isn't what he is - a nazi.
Calling someone a "nazi" is a permission slip for violence
The last loonies on tech's woke island are getting desperate. It used to be that a wide variety of baseless accusations of racism, misogyny, or white supremacy could inflict grave social and professional consequences for the accused, but that's no lo…world.hey.com
Hyperland sounds more like edgelords.
The DHH fellow is a full on Nazi-style racist.
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A product like the Framework laptops is inevitably going to be more costly.
Not only do they not have the scale of Dell, HP, Apple, etc, but they also need to use modular components, factor upgradability into the design, etc.
Even for the DIY ones, someone has to hand assemble it fully, test it, then strip it down again. That's additional cost and process complexity.
I bought one because I'm tired of having to scour ebay or AliExpress for replacement parts for my laptops.
I think people too often try to spend the minimum possible amount of money for a certain set of specs and then forget about build quality, support and so on.
Yeah sure but it's the usual conundrum: spend more upfront or spend more on the long run? I use my laptops A LOT, they wear out relatively quickly, so I gave up on cheap ones years ago, I hope that the repairability will give me better value on the long run.
Everyone's got their own priorities of course, I have multiple USB chargers that are better than anything that may come from the manufacturer, so having one in the box doesn't really make a difference, that may be different for others. I even bought mine without an SSD, I took it off my previous (dead) laptop.
Exactly. As bad as we might think Framework is because of all this, what's a more ethical company to buy a laptop from?
Regardless, it's still important to call out problematic behavior when we see it.
There are no alternatives, literally everything else is worse.
Framework did something bad. I hope the community keeps the pressure and they consider going back on the stupid decision. But it's still on top of the list as potential choices if I need a new computer, literally nothing else comes close.
I remember the scandal around hyprland and it was pretty bad - much worse than one or two fascists contributing.
Even so I could forgive distros still having hyprland in their repos.
But giving money to the project itself? No.
Where are we with hyprland these days? How has the shitshow continued sice 2023?
Oh and btw, in what capacity is Framework supporting hyprland? Is there a Framework distro?
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I read the forum thread today and there's a screenshot of the type of talk the hperlnd people do.
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Framework supporting far-right racists?
Why can’t everyone just calm down and get along. it is near impossible to get someone to change their mind about something, one can voice their opinion, but don’t expect it to change anyone else’s behaviour.Framework Community
I'm not the one coping here dude. My choice of car today doesn't give any money to a guy who's been dead for 3/4 of a century.
Also, I don't drive a Ford anyway so go grasp at straws somewhere else.
Well, as I already said, I don't own a Ford. So I'm not sure how you think I'm supporting them.
But even then, your point is nonsensical because the Nazi supporters are dead and the current CEO wasn't even born until long after Henry died and the war ended.
Unless you want to get into North Korea style multi generational punishment. But I think we all agree that's a bad thing.
So unless you can articulate how Ford Motor Company today is actively supporting Nazis, we're done.
This is a tricky one. If a bigot says the sky is blue, they're not wrong about that. Other things, sure, but not that.
Maybe we could take their efforts and use it against them somehow. That is to say, we might deliberately use that code for anti-hate purposes, perhaps, subverting the bigot's preferred goals. Make it so that any gain they might have had is overtaken by their disgust at how it's being used.
On the other hand, taint is by association. There's a really neat and geometrically useful symbol; fourfold symmetry, previously used by Hindus, that picked up an extremely negative association around 90 years ago, for example, and short of humanity forgetting history, we're never getting that one back.
If you were someone helped by that code being used against bigotry and you found out where it came from, you're probably going to have mixed feelings about it when you finally get the time to reflect.
You might understand why people would want to avoid it, even if it is correct.
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This is a tricky one.
It really isn't and is, if anything, a "solved problem" in the scientific/medical community.
If a bigot says the sky is blue, they’re not wrong about that.
The reality is that it is almost never one person saying something. And you can EASILY prioritize the other orgs that came to a similar decision. It is more about marketing and less about ideology, but people generally attribute calculus to Newton over anyone else even though it was largely an evolution and codification of existing concepts.
A more timely example might be Einstein and Relativity. The Theory of Relativity (and all the other fun stuff Al did) very much came out of previous work... much of it by the German physicists who didn't flee nazi Germany. But (again, in large part because of marketing) that tends to get ignored in favor of the Jew who got the hell out of nazi Germany and put his brain to good use.
And if the reality is that it truly did come out of hatred and evil (e.g. a surprisingly small amount of medical research does indeed come out of the atrocities of WW2). You don't tell someone "Hey, this medicine came from torturing and murdering Romani twins". You give it to them, maybe think a bit if you are aware, and move on. And any historical discussion provides all the context and uses that context as a thought discussion.
You don't instead say "Okay. if we got all this great shit out of torturing people in the past... maybe we should give money to concentration camps?"
That is to say, we might deliberately use that code for anti-hate purposes, perhaps, subverting the bigot’s preferred goals.
This comes up somewhat often. And, in theory, it sounds great. HP Lovecraft was a RIDICULOUSLY bigoted bastard even by the standards of his time (look up what his cat was named...). And yet, his stories have more or less become synonymous with discussions of homosexuality and persecution. And that is awesome. But it also leads to countless people every year deciding to "read the original works" and realizing... lovecraft had a few good ideas (that were mostly REALLY offensive takes on existing religions) but was a HORRIBLE writer. But they took hold.
Which brings up folk like jk rowling who are also hateful bigots. But because everybody can't stop glazing Harry Potter just because they grew up with it, someone who is a fairly mediocre writer who wrote REALLY generic YA continues to get more and more money to support actively hateful things.
Because the core is that this "We'll use it even though we hate you" is just promoting the idea of a meritocracy. You can be such a good writer/coder/whatever that people will begrudgingly praise you. And, much like "you are a great coder so you don't need people skills", it just makes for a REALLY toxic world.
There’s a really neat and geometrically useful symbol; fourfold symmetry, previously used by Hindus, that picked up an extremely negative association around 90 years ago, for example, and short of humanity forgetting history, we’re never getting that one back.
Similarly, bullshit.
Spend ANY time in Asia or any other region with a large concentration of Hindu or Buddhist people. As a Westerner, it is always a bit of a shock to look at a map of Tokyo and see a LOT of swastikas. At which point you immediately realize "Oh, they aren't Nazis. They are Buddhists. I am an idiot".
Because context matters. An Indian person who has a big swastika on their wall? First off, it probably is drawn differently. But second? It very much is unlikely to mean they actually want to eradicate anyone who isn't aryan. Whereas that white guy with a swastika tattooed on his head? Homeboy probably isn't celebrating the idea of the Buddha stepping on his face.
Which is why fricking Germany has zero problems with swastikas to represent Hindu and Buddhist and Jainist and so forth religion. Walking down the street with one would probably result in a "... Please don't do that" but the people who have the most reason to feel shame and hatred for that symbol? They understand it has multiple meanings.
Also: I don't think a bunch of bigoted assholes wanting to be bigots is at all comparable to usurping/repurposing a holy symbol but you do you.
You say it's a solved problem in one area as though it should be a solved problem elsewhere. That puts your comment on unsound footing.
As for the comparison you don't like, there are often only so many ways to write certain things in code. Some of those are invariably going to be very similar to that which was written by a bigot. That might be OK (like continued Hindu and Buddhist use of the swastika). Outright using that which was actually written by the bigot though?
People may say "please don't do that".
And there's the rub.
You say it’s a solved problem in one area as though it should be a solved problem elsewhere
Yes. That is the point. This problem has already been solved. "Well we don't do that" is not an explanation of why it is suddenly a problem here: it is an admission of incompetence.
Don't get me wrong. There are very much reasons to consider whether that solution applies. That is not what you, and the other... moving on, are doing.
You instead continue to insist that we should... give money to known bigoted chuds because we still let the Hindus and the Buddhists use swastikas?
So how is this rub?
I tried to talk around it but I am just going to say it: You are being RIDICULOUSLY offensive by implying that people of (generally) Asian religions need to change their iconography because of a bunch of racist white people. You are being RIDICULOUSLY offensive by comparing that to giving chuds money because they wrote some code you might like.
If you can find a way to restructure your thoughts in ways that don't imply (generally) people of color need to bend over backwards before you'll consider anything else? We can have a conversation. Otherwise? Truth Social is that way.
And, because you seem to not understand commonly used rhetorical devices: Yes, that is me saying "please don't do that". Just with the words "you fucking" implicitly added on before a few more choice ones.
You are [...] implying that people of (generally) Asian religions need to change their iconography
That is not and was not my intent, and I was less sure of yours until just now. (This may be reading (in)comprehension on my part, to which I'll be happy to admit fault.)
So, let me make sure I'm understanding you. Are you saying that you think that any and all gains from bigoted or unethical sources should be thrown away and that we should have nothing to do with them?
I understand why people would be extremely uncomfortable with some of these and I even think that where we can, we should avoid them, but we can't get rid of everything.
If we must insist on everything then the whole of humanity needs to get in the sea because we're all products of humanity's inhumanity if you go back far enough. In many cases, it's not that far.
If we say "nothing" then we give way to terrible people and let them have free reign.
So tell me. Where is the line? I still think that's a fairly difficult question, even if you don't.
So, let me make sure I’m understanding you. Are you saying that you think that any and all gains from bigoted or unethical sources should be thrown away and that we should have nothing to do with them?
No. As I said in the comment you clearly did not read while deciding to dismiss
The reality is that it is almost never one person saying something. And you can EASILY prioritize the other orgs that came to a similar decision. It is more about marketing and less about ideology, but people generally attribute calculus to Newton over anyone else even though it was largely an evolution and codification of existing concepts.(...)
And if the reality is that it truly did come out of hatred and evil (e.g. a surprisingly small amount of medical research does indeed come out of the atrocities of WW2). You don’t tell someone “Hey, this medicine came from torturing and murdering Romani twins”. You give it to them, maybe think a bit if you are aware, and move on. And any historical discussion provides all the context and uses that context as a thought discussion.
As for your other comment
So tell me. Where is the line? I still think that’s a fairly difficult question, even if you don’t.
Well, in this case I think the line is pretty clear: Don't give money to nazis. Which is what Framework Corp is doing. This is not a case of choosing to not remove a package run by known hateful bigots from a package manager. It is a case of actively giving money to said bigots.
Yeah, one cannot support open source development and assume everyone has the same political opinions as you.
Framework supports open source development, and for that I'm damn happy.
assume everyone has the same political opinions as you
I don't think that's the issue here. You can be conservative and not support the "great replacement theory" or think that all muslims are bad.
Holy shit, this thread makes me throw up.
Guess we will go back to classic used hardware?
And if someone here has a comprehensive guide at hand to completely decouple from big tech to sustainable human tech I would be very pleased (if not no problem I'm still planning to create a good working guide myself).
Most laptops from the last 10 years have soldered components.
And most old computers don't run or are useful for many current day needs.
If people can buy and reuse refurbished hardware, cool, go for it, but don't live under the illusion that it's an alternative.
It does vary. My Thinkpad (T490s) is awful if you want to do more than replace the battery and main drive, despite being a used office machine.
To replace the keyboard for example, you basically have to disassemble the entire laptop, since the frame is a single unit, and the keyboard sits under it, sandwiched under the motherboard and case.
I don't use Hyprland (honestly it's still a buggy mess and the $5 a month for "hyprland premium" is a joke), I won't ever use Omarchy (I already know how to install Arch), and I guess I just won't use Framework anymore. That's it.
If other people want to use that crap and support it? sure, have at it. I won't lose sleep over it. I would much rather people stop hailing these things as the greatest achievements in FOSS and Linux when they're clearly not. I mean christ on a cracker people are treating Omarchy like it's the second coming and it's just an Arch installer with hyprland, a bunch of cherry picked applications and a fancy TUI styler. that's it.
Oh wait, sorry, Omarchy also has a hyrpland keybind set to open X/Twitter for you....groundbreaking.
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As a former long-time Ruby developer who also used Rails (Ruby since 2006, Rails came along for me later), I’ve always known DHH was a total douchebag.
It’s nice to know he’s being super obvious about it now. He’s always been awful. He’s just been slightly quieter about it, other than buying million-dollar cars and pretending he’s still relevant.
Edit to add that here’s a presentation talking about “The DHH problem” in 2014. The updates are darkly humorous.
Welcome to the reality that there is No Ethical Consumption Under Capitalism.
Some people choose to use that as an excuse to live a hedonistic lifestyle and do whatever they want. Others use that as a reason to sit and think.
Personally? I don't like that lemmy is created/maintained by REALLY aggressive tankies or that so many of us have the "official" instance blocked for that reason. It is a big reason why when I decide to make a new account (because this one is getting old) I am probably going to use an instance running a fork.
But one way I reconcile that is by not actually giving money to lemmy development. I chip a few bucks in with certain instances to support the people running those, but not the software itself. And while I don't like that this encourages people to use lemmy and potentially give money to the tankies behind it... I also acknowledge that most people are too stupid to even understand the concept of "it is like email. It mostly doesn't matter which instance you sign up at" so... yeah.
At the end of the day, everyone needs to consider their own ethics and decide what they will and won't give money to. But the key is to actually think about it and sometimes re-think past decisions.
Let me walk you through some of my thoughts on the BDS boycotts. Microsoft I fully support the boycotting of because they have a LONG list of actions that actively support the IDF and enable genocide. Odds are I am still going to pick up the new DOOM at some point on a heavy discount and I will feel bad about it but otherwise? Any situation where I have a choice, I don't use MS products and won't until they, bare minimum, treat the israeli government like a normal customer rather than giving white glove service every chance they get. It is an unlikely end state but it IS an end state for a political boycott.
But Disney is a bit different. I personally don't actually like Disney and got a real chuckle out of Mandalore Gaming's recent, kind of shitty and ableist, joke about "disney adults". I ALSO don't think the BDS boycott has any actionable end state and is... quite honestly, motivated by a very poor selection of rationales that mostly can't be detected. So I had zero issue paying for Disney Plus to watch Andor and will buy the season 2 UHDs the second they are available, but the rest of me not spending on Disney products has a lot less to do with politics and more me just not liking them.
But I'll probably also give this another think on my next long car drive. I'll compare my personal ethics to those of the orgs calling for these boycotts and I will think through both what difference my actions are making (almost zero!) and how my actions impact my own personal opinion of myself.
Because, at the end of the day, boycotts are less about breaking the cogs of capitalism and more about being able to look at yourself in the mirror.
I agree with what NuXCOM said, but to add a little more detail in this situation…
For me, it’s a little different because of perceived influence.
DHH has always been the software equivalent of an Instagram influencer. He’s been selling himself as the mythical 10x programmer and wrote a corny business book with his co-founder.
Meanwhile, he was mainly working on Basecamp and racing million-dollar cars. A lot of his personal cars have been sold to YouTube influencers.
He has had a cult of personality built around him for years, and stupid people in some small software circles love him (clearly, by the rubygems takeover).
The Lemmy devs have no influence at all over software development. Just Lemmy.
I see tankies as children. Their intentions are pure. They want equality and fairness. Their politics just don't work.
Where as fascism is rooted in evil.
However, if "tankie" translates to supportting the invasion of Ukraine, then that's about the same as the fascism point.
As a former long-time Ruby developer who also used Rails (Ruby since 2006, Rails came along for me later), I’ve always known DHH was a total douchebag.
This is where every discussion and topic involving DHH has begun and ended for me. If Oxford defined "techbro" his face would be the illustrated example. He's the prick Zed Shaw warned us about. And everything, EVERYTHING, that has transpired in the past year, is entirely on brand for him. He is a narcissist, a sociopath, a racist, Elon Musk fart huffing fascist piece of shit; and nobody in the Ruby community should have given him any quarter. I KNEW THIS IN 2008.
And yet, here we are, 17 years later.
I write and maintain Laravel for a living now.
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This is the problem with the “we’re not talking about politics in here” approach.
Vulnerable minorities are always "political."
There is a great book by a journalist who was fired by WashPo to being "political" about their identity.
The View from Somewhere: Undoing the Myth of Journalistic Objectivity by Lewis Raven Wallace.
It is excellent and details why having a view from no perspective is damaging to minorities and others with disabilities, etc. We must have principles and speak about those in journalism. If we stand for nothing, we default to the status quo.
I spent a lot of time recommending Framework, I got family to buy a laptop. Their hardware is fundamentally a political statement that I respuct. Seeing them use a "no politics" fallacy hurts
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Ugh I hate reading threads like that, the amount of delusion, stupidity and ignorance really gives me no hope for humanity.
Just vile people, fuck off fascists.
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First, Omarchy doesn’t need funding or partners. It’s backed by a Nazi multimillionaire.
Second, the whole apolitical argument is bullshit. Everything is political. Support for a distro that doesn’t really need support by nature of being a child of a Nazi multimillionaire is a support for that Nazi multimillionaire.
“We didn’t support them because of that” means nothing. The support still sends a message. Just like artist loses control over interpretation of their art the moment they release it, people lose control over interpretation of their actions the moment they act. Does it sound fair? Maybe not, but it’s how reality works.
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Certainly a tough question. Use Lemmy, okay, but would you send financial contributions to said Tankie? I wouldn't, and I would judge someone that did. I don't think anyone can be expected to evaluate the moral virtues of the developer for every technology they use. That's a supply chain nightmare. But, given the small number of people we directly sponsor, maybe then it's appropriate to have some standards?
As a non-US citizen, I actually consider /any/ American company that has not moved to be complicit in fascism. At the same time, I havn't completely stopped patronizing American companies, so I'm not living up to my own standard. I suspect everyone is a little hypocritical.
As a non-US citizen, I actually consider /any/ American company that has not moved to be complicit in fascism.
This is an absolutely insane position to take.
But not required. If I do not morally support the developer I can instead choose to financially support individual instances, or other projects like Piefed or mbin.
My point here is that comparing this situation to using Lemmy is a bad comparison. Supporting Framework is pretty much exclusively via financial support, the same is not true for Lemmy.
That's all very vague. Be more explicit. Many argue many things.
What is the ideology you're hinting at? Communism?
What is the body count of communism? Where do you think you've got that that narrative from?
To round out the picture, and because body count seems so decisive, we should include capitalism, right — as fascism, many argue, is a neccessary consequence of imperial capitalism protecting itself in crisis and it's our current economic ideology and therefore an ongoing, systematic phenomenon?
What's the body count of capitalism?
Many would argue we currently live by an ideology with a body count of double digit millions of excess deaths annually, through poverty & hunger, healthcare inequality, workplace deaths & diseases, environmental & climate deaths, structural violence, and of course war & imperial violence.
The Black Book of Communism Is a Shoddy Work of History
The Black Book of Communism has been hugely influential and sold millions of copies since its publication in 1997.jacobin.com
Why would I account for capitalism when my whole point is i don't care what people's opinions are?
Im talking about Tankie ideology so communism yes. But again, my point is I don't care so to try to pit communism vs capitalism to gotcha me doesn't even make sense.
Communism has a massive body count yes.
This form of verbal maneuvering that you display is falling from grace.
Oh, suddenly you don't care? The only thing, that doesn't make sense then, is you commenting at all. Curiously you do, tho — with vibes-based political commentary. If you're really so apathetic, may I suggest to you to stfu.
What I got from your form of verbal maneuvering (lol), tho, is that you are not only apathetic, but also ignorant.
What doesn't seem clear-cut? My only point here was that using Lemmy does not directly fund the creator of it.
You support one thing who’s creator has questionable views but not the other. The main difference seems to be that you like one and not the other.
You're making assumptions about me. I use Piefed, not Lemmy. I also do not believe that this situation is enough for me to not support Framework. All I'm saying here is that supporting Framework is for the most part direct financial support, while one can easily support the Lemmy as a whole, without providing financial support to the creator with questionable views.
I don't care to debate about whether this makes supporting Lemmy better or worse than supporting Framework. I only on what I feel is an oversight in the comparison made by the comment I originally replied to.
Not the same thing. Equating the far left and the far right is nonsensical, as horseshoe theory isn’t a real thing.
Giving room for such thought only strengthens extreme right positions and is exclusively used to either distract from or downplay far right commentary or elevate liberal/centrist thought as the only acceptable path. It’s interestingly never used by people from the far left themselves.
Your’s either an ignorant take or one with an agenda, which is it?
Tankies, afaik, are just delusional. Do they support murder of non-whites?
And uh...the fact that defederating the tankies is a regular topic of conversation here is 100000000x better than the big tent response.
Can you point me to that (must be lemmy dev or moderator appointed by a lemmy dev to be comparable)? All I've seen are posts on power tripping where people get banned because they say things like "Russia started it" or "Tiananmen lol, amirite". I've not seen anything to the extent you're describing and would be interested in seeing it.
And uh, the problem isn't the use of software. Nothing in this thread is about the use of software.
the destruction of the Ukrainians as a people and culture
This is a huge part of Putin's current war; a war tankies widely support. You need sources for these things?
If you're going to hold lemmy to the same standard we are holding lemmy to in this thread, absolutely yes. Did you not see the detailed links provided by oop?
And uh ..don't the tankies not believe in those allegations? Isn't that their whole thing, that western media is lying about it? Ie delusional like I said.
don’t the tankies not believe in those allegations? Isn’t that their whole thing, that western media is lying about it? Ie delusional like I said.
Of course they don't believe the piles of evidence. The point is they support the genocide either way. If we are changing the standard to purely what delusional people believe, not what they actually support, then there is a ton of people on the right we should stop bitching about, as they don't believe their policies are harmful either...
So, back to the original question, are you going to use a software written, or just partly written, by tankies? Or is it possible that one can use a software written by people who have differing political opinions from you?
I already answered that: your question is trying to move the goalposts away from what framework is doing.
I think the rest of your response feels wrong in a fundamental way but I haven't thought through why yet.
I think the rest of your response feels wrong in a fundamental way but I haven’t thought through why yet.
Either that or a pair of opinions you hold conflict with each-other.
Internal consistency is highly valued. As long as all opinions are treated with the same standards, then you have a nice steady base for your views and how you interact with the world.
Framework appears to intend to support bad people.
Framework intends to support open source projects. That has been their goal. Ascribing a different intent to it is just factually incorrect at best.
If you tell me "I will use some of any money you give me to fund terrorism" and I choose to give you money anyway, I am deliberately funding terrorism.
Framework is deliberately funding white nationalists. They may not have been before yesterday, but now they've been told and now they've been told that's what they're doing.
A naive answer:
Replace “Lemmy” with a “Nazi manufactured gun”.
A less naive answer:
Consider various meanings “use” takes in your question and decide accordingly.
It hurts to see posts saying "Framework is not political"... Like damn it is, what do you think the mission of framework is?
"Technology is apolitical" that's entirely false. A load of decisions about tech are made politically, or at least with a lawyer behind you telling what is and what isn't legal (these laws that were decided... By politics).
I think tech communities will have a major split in the coming years.
On one side you have the "apolitical devs" who don't understand they are making political decisions every damn day. They claim to be centrists but it's all a facade for neo liberalism.
On the other side, you have people that understand the reality we live in, that understand every decision they take is gonna affect the human that is using their software. That we are responsible for what happens into the world and that allowing fascists to spread their ideas will end badly.
Staying neutral is giving your ok to fascism and racism. Staying silent is how these ideas and movements take place and is a political choice.
If you force every person to pick a team, you may not like the result. gestures at current president
People who are happy to not take a political stance on everything, particularly in their professional life, is good.
In this case it's framework taking political sides by working with a vocal far right racist. If they want to stay neutral, they shouldn't be promoting them.
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I'm eager to see their response (and actions taken).
It doesn't seem at all they supported toxic behavior directly for that, to advance the toxicity, just several projects.
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Maybe they'll clarify their stance.
They are a tiny corp, they don't/can't PR immediately.
Well, I was considering some Framework hardware, but holy shit they are off the list now.
Not just due to their lackluster response, but that thread is just..... infested with hard far right and no real moderation in sight. What the absolute fuck.
How disappointing.
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They are supporting open source development. Unfortunately, not all open source developers share one's opinions.
I'll take it over alternatives any day.
Nah, if my support of them results in that money going to fascists, I don't care how much good they do. I am not going to support them. Expecting the people you work with and support to uphold certain basic values is not a huge expectation. The people they are supporting actively advocate and support racist and fascistic conspiracies. It is not that much to ask that Framework avoid them and support other open source developers. Its insane to not even have that level of standards. There are loads of open source developers, and people are just asking them to avoid the ones openly being racist.
If you don't think boycotting them till they renounce that support is reasonable, then I don't think we have any common ground to work with.
If Framework would drop support, I'll gladly get onw of their computers and support them. Till then, I ain't touching them and will stick with my current computer
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See.....when it comes to open source, it's a little different for me:
I don't support or condone any of these pricks, but I can mentally divorce, somewhat, the open source code contributions from the person, because their contributions are useful. If this was a closed source solution, it'd be different, because the code wouldn't be released into the community. There are a lot of weird, closet-dwelling shut ins that fall into the extremist margins.
A lot of early medical knowledge, for example, was acquired from.....less than morally clear ways. So do you just take that information and throw it away on principal? Does that make the death and pain of those people for nothing? Or do you use it and don't condone the person or their actions? This is a difficult moral choice to make that is heavily debated by philosophy, media, etc. There are entire SciFi TV episodes, movies, and books written about just such a debate.
That said, I don't know the usefulness of Hyprland. I've never used it and I feel like it's pretty niche, so I'm surprised Framework aren't telling this person to fuck off.
I would recommend actually talking with (I forget the fancy term) medical philosophers.
Yes, a LOT of modern medicine was created on the backs of torture and vile human experimentation. But a shockingly small amount of the data collected by Nazis et al were actually useful because so much of it was compromised by virtue of the "control" in those experiments generally being a torture victim who was in five other experiments in the past month. And a lot of said innovations boil down to "We all kind of suspected it but couldn't think of an ethical way to confirm it"
But the key thing to understand: There is a big difference between "Okay... that was REALLY fucking evil but Unit 731 created a lot of data we can sift through and it already exists..." and "Okay, hear me out. We COULD send in Seal Team Eight... or we could wait a few weeks to see if they make a better smallpox first"
And that is the thing here. I am 100% for taking advantage of what has already been done in the world of software development... although rewrites are a thing for a reason. But I am firmly opposed to funding or supporting ongoing work by those chuds. They should be ostracized and vilified at every turn.
I would recommend actually talking with (I forget the fancy term) medical philosophers.
"Ethicist" maybe?
It'd be one thing if the projects being supported were good and lead by devs with questionable ideals but I'm more upset that Framework decided to support a couple of really shitty projects lead by shitty people. I mean one dudes dotfiles and anothers very buggy WM that you can pay $5 to get "premium" for it? Cool Framework, that doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence in what YOU produce now.
I mean hell I got some killer dotfiles for Arch using River and Sway, where's my money?
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I’m more upset that Framework decided to support a couple of really shitty projects
The thread being centered around this would be 100% more productive than what it has devolved into. Instead people are swearing off the most notable computer company that is fervently pushing for Right to Repair and supporting open source projects. Meanwhile most every other computer company is pushing in the opposite direction...
To put it in terms of your analogy, it's one thing to use Mengele's research after he's been stopped. It's another entirely to give his research funding when he's actively running the program.
One is making use of knowledge that comes out of terrible things, the other is complicity that borders on collaboration.
That is fair. My example was extreme, though. These people are just assholes. Do you throw away the code of an asshole because they're an asshole?
I dunno.....I struggle with this internally. Maybe I'm wrong. It's a hard thing to rectify and I just wish people would stop being assholes to others.
I think you need to factor in how prominent that person is on the project.
If an asshole contributes some code to a project, ok. If an asshole is the public face of the project, well, there are plenty of alternatives to use/fund instead.
To use another example, a musician might be known to be an asshole during their lifetime. Then they die. Is it harmful to listen to their music if you're not contributing anything to their estate or their estate isn't run by similar assholes? It's debatable and a gray area, but I'd probably say no in most circumstances.
How about if they're known to be an asshole and you buy their albums anyway, you go to their concerts, and you loudly pronounce on social media how you support them and that their work is great? That's a much easier case to make to say, yes, you're being harmful.
You're supporting someone who is an asshole, and you're doing--at least--two types of harm:
(1) you're demonstrating tolerance for shitty behavior which does not provide a good negative reinforcement to correct the shitty behavior, and
(2) you're positively reinforcing the shitty behavior through your support
It might be more nuanced if there were higher stakes involved, such as if the good belying this debate was of crucial need to help along a much larger good cause. But that's where particulars matter. The contributions these assholes are making are not solving world hunger. They're nerdy little Linux bits.
Use the bullshit all you want, but for fuck's sake stop materially supporting and going on a promotional tour with the assholes that made it.
Yeah sure so you've destroyed your car, stopped buying fuel, gave up sigarettes, stopped buying stuff from Amazon, gave up the supermarket, single use plastics, gave up Windows and let's be honest, any other computer manufacturer aside from super niche ones? Because I guarantee you that the money you spend in that stuff is magnitudes more damaging than whatever tiny bit of a framework computer's value is going towards these two developers, let alone the fraction that they may actually invest in nefarious deeds.
People need to learn to pick their battles.
A key difference here is that Framework is trying to build a "community". At least some of their value depends upon community if you think about it for a bit (e.g., if nobody uses the marketplaces, they'd be empty of goods and a lot of the point is lost).
If they center assholes as being representative of what the community is about, they naturally exclude others by doing so.
It's easy to take the "can't we all just get along?" stance with this, but some things require a little more reasoning and philosophy than platitudes.
What good is a big tent if most normal people left the tent because you platformed assholes at its center?
I agree. Just as a little reminder. Methadone was initially invented by literal Nazis. It was designed to Combat Opium shortage in field hospitals.
Nobody would say: hey, let us not use this extremely helpful drug because Nazis contributed a lot to it.
On the other side: I would never give a Nazi company money to produce it. Two different scenarios
Also megacorps doing shit like this (sponsoring) vs tiny companies focused on foss (without mega PR, mass propaganda, takeover budgets, etc) is very much not the same thing.
If Google was a tiny corp barely getting by I would morally consider it a lesser transgression using their services (lesser bcs I would still be helping/supporting a business practice that at some future date leads to current Google fuckeries).
That's a really piss poor excuse though. It'd be one thing if it was "I like Hyprland, I'll support that" but then it's also "I also like Omarchy" annnnd now you're starting a trend that isn't a great on to start. THEN you have people in the know who see this trend and being to put two and two together.
Saying that Framework is tiny with no PR is no excuse. It takes all of a few minutes to discover what kind of piece of shit DHH is and what kind of bullshit the devs/mods over on Hyprland spew out. I mean I've been a developer for 20+ years now and I knew DHH was a piece of shit years ago. Hell anyone that's spent any time with Ruby knew he was a piece of shit years ago.
honestly if you had a bit of extra money on you that you wanted to donate to a charity you would utilize your common sense and research said charity before donating money right? I would hope so. I hope a lot of people would. That's what I do. I'm not going to throw money at some random charity then I later find out uses kittens as toilet paper.
So Framework coming out and saying "yeah we like to support open source projects, sure the ones we support are lead by racist homo/transphobes and a guy that thought Hitler had some neat ideas, no we're not going to discuss it" is not a great look.
I doubt they knowingly sponsored a project based on the developers’ political ideologies
But now they should know right? But the response makes it clear they don't really care. They want to include everyone in the "big tent", which clearly runs afoul of the paradox of tolerance. I am not a fan of their response.
The thing to realize is that the reason EVERYONE knows about Framework Corp is that one of their larger investors is Linus Sebastien of Linus Media Group (most known for "Linus Tech Tips"). He/LMG have a long, well documented, history of conflicts of interest and even a few scandals (both in terms of manipulative data AND sex pestery) and have increasingly been revealed to be VERY manipulative of other channels they deem "smaller" (Rossman went off on them during one of the annual scandals)
So Framework's social media game is on lock both between their own in-house staff and whatever they get from "investor calls" as it were.
And you know what goes together like peanut butter and jelly? Youtubers and "accidentally" supporting really shitty chuds.
As for Framework Corp itself?
I dunno. To me it increasingly feels like a company designed to create/trademark IP that would greatly improve assembly line processes that haven't found an integrator willing to buy them out.
Because stuff like the "open source but we are the only ones that use it" proprietary "not a dongle but is something you plug into a usb c port to use different interfaces" and the pogo plug keyboards and so forth? I think Wendell at Level1Techs put it best where he acknowledged it was REALLY cool and something he would use once when buying the laptop and then as a fidget device during some meetings.
But for a "boutique" laptop integrator? That is something that can be done to really customize each laptop for each customer at minimal cost (by relying on cheap labor in a pre-Liberation Day world).
As for the rest of the laptops? Again, they look really cool. But every time I consider replacing my existing laptop I run the simple numbers. Too lazy to do it right now but basically:
Let a be the price of the laptop you want from Framework and let b be the price of just the motherboard+CPU of said laptop in the Framework marketplace. Let c be the price of a comparable laptop at Best Buy or whatever.
Framework only ever makes sense if a+b is significantly less than c*2. And every time I run the numbers? It is a few bucks cheaper, at best, and usually still more expensive. And all of that assumes you keep the same everything and are just "upgrading" the cpu. Which... considering Framework are already doing revisions of their chassis that, bare minimum, would involve heat pipe tweaks when upgrading... yeah.
And... in theory having reusable parts means you decrease e-waste. In practice? How many of us still have a box of DDR3 ram that we are totally going to need some day? There is very much an argument for donating your old laptop to an org that will reuse them or just chucking it in an e-waste bin (after wiping and preferably drilling out the drive...).
I DO think this tech would be amazing for the kind of company that provisions laptops for medium sized businesses. But their software/support and pricing keep them out of that too.
But as it stands? It feels a lot like those phones that had swappable camera modules and the like. It SOUNDS amazing until you actually price them out... and then realize the company went out of business so you never even had a chance to upgrade your camera 5 years later.
And just to elaborate a bit on the power of social media. Think about how few reviewers have ANYTHING negative to say about Framework? And then actually watch some of the better reviews. Wendell has a very good professional relationship with LMG but it is telling that even he kind of acknowledges their big "repairability" innovation is... kind of a gimmick.
Contrast that with a Thinkpad where basically every reviewer will spend a good chunk talking about how they don't like Lenovo and the laptop has all these flaws... before begrudgingly acknowledging it is still a REALLY solid ultrabook and is, hands down, the best price to performance option for people who want to run Linux. Also the nub is love. The nub is life.
And you can see similar with the LTT Screwdriver. It is a licensed knockoff of a megapro (?) so of course it is quality. But look at reviewers like Project Farm. He is VERY good about providing the raw data and encouraging people to make their own choices based on what criteria matter to them. And then look at how he weighted the criteria to be able to say the LTT Screwdriver was, hands down, the best.
THAT is the power of social media and a rabid fanbase who are known to attack anyone who goes against their parasocial best friend. And that is what Framework has.
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I mean... this IS "the press".
But even if you want to absolve Framework Corp of any guilt in that regard: it is still one of (if not THE) biggest "tech youtubers" with a known history of manipulating both the audience and his competitive with a financial interest in Framework Corp doing well.
Hence why people who have followed "tech reviews" for years (... decades. God damn it) have very much noticed that Framework Laptops get treated with kid gloves by a LOT of outlets.
Well I’m disappointed but not surprised.
We will need to build our own alternatives, starting with building a community.
I’m not a leader but I’m dying to help the cause.
Let's not act as if it's wise to be hopeful that any successful company can have decent politics (maybe if it's a worker coop). Spineless liberals is the best we can hope for.
It's just like with Valve and Nintendo: Companies are not your friends!
But let's also not act as if any political issue can be fought only in the language of consumerism. Stop falling for that "vote with your wallet" BS if you want to stop falling for these liberals.
Yeah I don't think you get how this works. They had time to research the tool they are recommending but literally nothing about the backers or community? Framework will absolutely have a legal team whose job would include vetting these orgs.
But let's say you're right and framework is operating a company with no legal counsel (which is also a giant red flag): their response was "we are chill with terrible people in our space, we have a big tent". Not "you're right, we didn't do research on these guys thanks for bringing it to our attention we'll do some research". If they said that, this wouldn't be a thing. Instead, they said affirmatively "we don't care if they are white nationalists, we want to include white nationalists in our tent".
Have you…never had a job?
Yep. And if customers are getting pissed due to charitable donations we are doing....that incurs a significant cost and becomes a massive hurdle for any future charitable donations.
So, as I said, lesson learned: don't support open source projects.
Edit: Next meeting about supporting open source project: "Hey this author has opinion x, anti-x is going to hate that. Let's just spend the money elsewhere."
Following meeting about supporting a different open source project: "Hey, this author has opinion anti-x, x is going to hate that. Let's just spend the money elsewhere."
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There's this huge movement in online spaces lately to bash any and all positions and opinions by calling them transphobic.
Vote right? Transphobic. Vote left? Transphobic. Abstain from voting? Transphobic. Support a company? Transphobic. Boycott a company? Transphobic. Indifferent about a company? Transphobic.
The simplest explanation is a bunch of right-wingers are trying to make the term meaningless. Anyway, nowadays when I hear someone is transphobic, I make sure to wait for solid evidence before changing my opinions.
I get your point with the rest but...
Vote right? Transphobic.
Yeah, it kinda is? That's a core plank of the MAGA platform; it's practically inseparable. Unless you're talking non-USA parties but then there's still a better chance than none it's a yes.
I don't even think it "kinda is" I think it fully is. Trans rights are currently against tradition and the status quo, this makes trans rights a progressive topic until the day that trans people are so established in the history of a society that it can't be argued being trans is some new disorder or something.
I hope that one day Trans rights will have been so established globally that to challenge them is anti tradition and uncouth
It has to do with a phenomenon that is censored in most online spaces, so I'll spell it out in capitals, aSjUrIbCoIgDaEl, basically if a person being denied care would cause them to off themselves, then denying care is tantamount to manslaughter.
Post-transition people are reportedly much happier than they were pre-transition, but right-wingers find that icky, so they'd rather commit war crimes than allow medicine to go to those who need it.
What right is that? What care are they being denied?
Also your second paragraph is wrong. They still commit suicide at an enormous rate compared to the rest of the population, many studies showing increases post “transition”.
Also what “war crimes” are you talking about?
Where are the answers? A vague “they will commit suicide” isn’t an answer to “what rights don’t trans people have?”.
I take it you can answer the question, right? Or is your lack of an answer indicative of something?
No, if you think that, your brain is twisted by whatever spin your preferred media choice puts on.
The 2024 election was more about people wanting to see change, and one candidate clearly offering it and the other clearly not. Look at Harris' polling timeline, she was doing well up until the beginning of October, so what happened? For example, she wouldn't change anything from Biden's first term, except having a Republican in the cabinet. Trump took that and ran with that, and I think that describes her support dropping around that time. People were unhappy with Biden's first term, and she wouldn't say anything bad about it. I didn't watch the 60 minutes interview, but I'm guessing that went similarly.
I think most thought Trump was mostly rhetoric except the couple things they cared about. I think most thought he was bluffing about tariffs (or thought they'd work differently), thought he'd actually bring prices down, etc, which explains his cratering support so far. The average voter is kinda dumb/naive, but I don't think they were largely voting on hate against immigrants, trans people, etc.
Trump or Harris: Who’s ahead in the polls?
Tracking the polls in every state and possible paths to electoral college victory for Kamala Harris and Donald TrumpFinancial Times
I dunno I've watched enough of the maga people talk to be pretty confident they just hate the world.
The "this guy will shake things up" argument would make sense if he hadn't already been our single most corrupt president in a generation (until 47)
Ah, yes, there are also the terminally dumb and uneducated. But those people are just weaponized votes. They don't appear to have their own thoughts or agency, just mindless drones following whatever their one podcast or one cable network or their one YouTube guy tells them to do.
But no, there's also plenty of videos of random magas in various formats, and a driving factor for those people appears to be hate (with a healthy mix of not understanding the concept of cause and effect)
I’m talking about your average Joe in the middle that doesn’t really follow politics but was mad at things getting more expensive over Biden’s term.Ah, yes, there are also the terminally dumb and uneducated.
This is the response to people being unhappy prices sharply increased under Biden? People are hardly 'dumb and uneducated' for not liking price increases...
A statement that will always remain relevant: "It's the economy, stupid."
No, they arent dumb for not liking price increases. It's the lack of understanding of cause and effect that makes them dumb, not liking or disliking an effect.
The reason that saying is relevant is because people are stupid. The president has to care about the economy but the reverse is almost never true
Of course as with many situations, trump is the exception to the rule: because congress isn't doing its job and is allowing trump to randomly increase costs by 100% then 50% then 200% then 100% over the course of a single summer, he has had an outsized impact on the economy in a way that no other president has had for generations. And he managed to do it twice, the first time bungling covid so badly that he contributed heavily to the massive inflation we've experienced since he was last in office.
The economy grows on stability, not random acts of chaos, violence, and retribution.
The messaging was:
- Harris - I agree with everything Biden's did and wouldn't change a thing
- Trump - Biden's economy was a mess and I'm going to fix it
What do you expect the average person to take away from that?
Harris ran an awful campaign IMO, so it's not surprising that people opted for the alternative.
To the average voter who doesn't follow things very closely, the options were basically:
- bad, but the same as the previous admin, which did stuff that negatively impacted me
- bad, but different; the last time they were in office, they didn't do things that impacted me too much
Unfortunately, far too many people blame the economy on the sitting President, when they often have little influence on it. Trump was president during an economic boom, and got out just as COVID was going. Biden was president through COVID, and by all accounts was incapable of the job during at least part of his term. What do you expect the average person to do who doesn't follow politics closely but catches bits and pieces closer to the election? Of course they'll go with the person promising change over the person promising the status quo...
Maga? Really? I was very vocal about voting against him in all three elections.
I'm not saying Trump was the better candidate. I'm merely saying Harris ran a poor, tone-deaf campaign.
If you read the rest you'll discover that the reactionaries don't care how you vote, they'll call you that regardless.
I'm taking from the downvotes that there are a lot of people here who got caught up on those first few words and didn't bother reading the rest or engaging their critical thinking skills...
Yes agreed but if you read the whole thing...
There are people in online spaces that just slap the term on ANY opinion.
Want to form a coalition with moderates? Must be transphobic. Refuse to vote Dem because they're not progressive enough? Must be transphobic.
Bluesky is overrun with them. I'd hoped to find a place here where simply existing wasn't stigmatized, but these downvotes are telling me maybe Lemmy is overrun too...
"where simply existing wasn't stigmatized"... Yeah I think that's what most people want including immigrants and trans people. You might need to take a good hard look at yourself for seemingly arguing that a project making it's own community an unsafe space for people is fine but you're the victim because people on blue sky called one too many things transphobic.
Other than that your sob story makes it sound like you're a problematic person and I doubt I'm alone in thinking that. I don't ever remember seeing an excessive amount of accusations of transphobia on bluesky, let alone reddit since it's 80% Russian bots. So maybe, just maybe, the problem is you. Do you maybe have opinions that regularly get you called a transphobe? At least, that's how I read your victim story.
The simplest explanation is a bunch of right-wingers are trying to make the term meaningless.
You had me until this. The term is already meaningless because of the overuse from the left-wingers. No one right of the far-left cares about being called any of the "phobics" or "ists" anymore because they mean nothing now.
Anyway, nowadays when I hear someone is transphobic, I make sure to wait for solid evidence before changing my opinions.
Ok at least you finished on the right note.
I don't think you can advocate for anything even remotely on the "right" in political discussions anymore unless you mean MAGA. That well is so poisoned at this point that everyone is going to assume you're a MAGA troll wearing a mask the second you voice any right-leaning opinion.
It's pretty unfortunate. There are plenty of "live and let live" types in the US that identify informally as libertarians and would make great allies.
DHH is clearly a turd, and I want nothing to do with his projects.
I'm not sure I understand the opposition to Hyprland though. I enjoy using Hyprland, so I've tried to make an informed opinion on whether the project is harmful. Note that I have only reviewed public information, so I might only be seeing the tip of the iceberg.
According to his blog posts, the creator of Hyprland seems to have received criticism well enough (back in 2023). Are other people in the community the main concern or am I missing something? Forgive my ignorance
There were some controversies due to the toxicity of Hpyrland's community (namely its discord server). See this post for example
Edit: I should have read OP's linked post first, which actually also refers to Drew's post.
Yep that's I read from 2023.
He responded in a couple of blog posts:
- blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-h…
- blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-i…
I opened up the discord community just now to see what was there, and I just saw people being goofy and talking shit to each other. In all fairness, I wouldn't hang out there either, but that doesn't mean anything.
To summarize, I don't see the Hyprland devs trying to harm others. Folks like DHH are a different story. Of course this might all change tomorrow - who knows?
Dhh is also a guy who fights apple and google and Microsofts. A guy who says the cloud is stupid, a guy who says American companies will do as instructed by the orange government hence Europe needs to build their own infrastructure and companies.
I am ok with that. Never heard or read about him being a conspiracy nut
Edit: meant to reply to another comment.
Yep that's I read from 2023.He responded in a couple of blog posts:
- blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-h…
- blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-i…I opened up the discord community just now to see what was there, and I just saw people being goofy and talking shit to each other. In all fairness, I wouldn't hang out there either, but that doesn't mean anything.
To summarize, I don't see the Hyprland devs trying to harm others. Folks like DHH are a different story. Of course this might all change tomorrow - who knows?
i do want to point out how hard it is to even find out about the views of these people, if you just look up the names of the projects and aren't specifically looking for this information there's no way you'll find anything about it
even looking up the name of David Heinemeier Hansson, the more vocally bad of these, i had to go to the 5th link to find anything even vaguely mentioning his views
Isn't that a good thing?
I don't know about you, but I don't really care what the views of the owners of a business are. It only becomes a problem if they make those views plain.
Were the views associated with the company? Or was it purely a personal blog?
The distinction matters. Many people are able to separate business from politics, but some are not. The former aren't a concern, the latter definitely are.
Your right. I can't seperate people/business and politics.
Because people take the money from business and advocate for the death of me and my trans community.
I don't see a reason to spereate those two.
The furthest I've seen is advocating for conservative politicians, which is generally for more favorable tax treatment and maybe some more flexibility in what services they need to provide to their employees.
I don't think business owners care about the trans community for good or ill. The only reason it seems that conservatives care at all is because liberals are so vocal about it. And liberals aren't even really pushing for anything to help the trans community, it's mostly lip service.
The real enemy isn't you average conservative voter, but specific politicians pushing a populist agenda, which paints trans people as the enemy. If it wasn't trans people, it would be gay people, some variety of immigrant, etc, the target is less important to the movement, they just need to be weak and unpopular enough for them to get away with it. Again, it's not your average voter, but whoever is pushing that agenda.
Wow. Okay. Thats a really bad response.
The furthest I've seen is advocating for conservative politicians, which is generally for more favorable tax treatment and maybe some more flexibility in what services they need to provide to their employees.
First off, that's still indefensible? Like advocating for less worker safety isn't a good thing right? Or lower pay? Like those are all agreeable bad things for companies to be doing right?
We'll come back to the second "where the money comes from".
I don't think business owners care about the trans community for good or ill.
That's a pretty broad brush there.
Chick-fil-A does a pretty good job of showing you that's not a rule by any means.
The only reason it seems that conservatives care at all is because liberals are so vocal about it. And liberals aren't even really pushing for anything to help the trans community, it's mostly lip service.
This makes no sense, If neither side cares, then why is it a problem?
Also, why are conservatives in your view just reactionary to what every 'liberals' are saying?
The real enemy isn't you average conservative voter, but specific politicians pushing a populist agenda, which paints trans people as the enemy. If it wasn't trans people, it would be gay people, some variety of immigrant, etc, the target is less important to the movement, they just need to be weak and unpopular enough for them to get away with it. Again, it's not your average voter, but whoever is pushing that agenda.
This is so submissive to hate. Heaven forbid we don't tolerate intolerance? This is such dismissive "it's the way it is" talk.
I never said my problem is with the average voter (although the average Republican voter absolutely hate my guts). My problem is with the money that flows. It's the money fueling this hate. So yes, where I spend money has ALWAYS been political. So yes, it matters who my money is funding, and if that fund is funding my danger.
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First off, that’s still indefensible? Like advocating for less worker safety isn’t a good thing right?
I think it makes logical sense. They own a business, so they see everything as a cost, and that includes employee benefits. They're merely voting for their self interests.
And while I likely disagree with them, I think that's how the system should work.
The counter to that should be regular people voting for their self-interests. Average people want better benefits and whatnot, so theoretically politicians should take that into account when crafting policy.
The issue here isn't business owners voting for their self-interest, but a mix of politicians not actually providing good representation and yet still getting reelected (gerrymandering), not having good options (only two candidates are viable), and media spin (again, with only two parties, they need to pick one to get favorable treatment).
why are conservatives in your view just reactionary to what every ‘liberals’ are saying?
That's their purpose. Conservatives are pretty universally against change/in favor of reverting change, while liberals want more change. Sometimes you want one more than the other, depending on what's going on.
The problem is that our political system only has two viable options, so both parties jump all over the place to pick up votes and it's actually unclear why they have the positions they do. For example, Republicans used to be super anti-union (they love representative democracy, but not in the private sphere?), yet they courted labor unions last year. Why? To get swing state voters. They're less about pushing ideas and more about maintaining power.
The real issue isn't conservative voters, but our entire voting system. If we had 5 viable parties, people could effectively vote for the direction they want the country to go. If you don't like the way the GOP is, you should demand more viable options so people can express themselves better.
I think it makes logical sense. They own a business, so they see everything as a cost, and that includes employee benefits. They're merely voting for their self interests.
Can you see how dehumanizing that is? Viewing people as cost?
This is how Nazis start by the way, not viewing people as people
Employees are still people. Business should take care of people, not the other way arround.
That's their purpose. Conservatives are pretty universally against change/in favor of reverting change, while liberals want more change. Sometimes you want one more than the other, depending on what's going on.
Your assumption is that every side serves a purpose. But when we say "hey we shouldn't kill people" and the answer is "shut up libtard" can you see how they don't have a "purpose" other than to spread hate?
And I'm not gonna copy and paste the rest of them comment.
I know who my problem with is, is it's just hate. Not exclusively politicians, anyone who wants to seee dead.
Can I just say, get fucked? Must be nice when your existence isnt political.
Can you see how dehumanizing that is? Viewing people as cost?This is how Nazis start by the way, not viewing people as people
The Nazis are a completely different story. It wasn't that they saw Jews as a cost or as objects, it's that they saw them as less than objects, they viewed them as actively threatening the country. As in, this was active hate, not apathy.
A business owner is primarily concerned with the health of the business, and costs threaten that health. If mandatory benefits are too high, that may threaten the viability of the business, and limits options for competition.
The counter to this is everyone else voting in favor of mandatory benefits and whatnot. If the system is working properly, both sets of voices will be heard and representatives will push for something for both groups.
Your assumption is that every side serves a purpose. But when we say “hey we shouldn’t kill people” and the answer is “shut up libtard” can you see how they don’t have a “purpose” other than to spread hate?
I assume you're talking about gun rights? You're using favorable rhetoric for one side and unfavorable rhetoric for the other. Let's look at their actual policy proposals:
- Dems - ban "assault weapons" and high capacity magazines
- GOP - enforce current laws
"Assault weapons" have consistently been defined as "scary looking guns," and each has an equivalent that is less scary looking and just as effective. High capacity mags are easy to jerry-rig from legal mags, and DIY mags are easy to make with a 3D printer and a spring or two. These types of laws are mostly to grab headlines and get someone reelected, not to actually solve any problem.
Likewise, saying "enforce current laws" requires citizens to actually cooperate with police, and for police to actually deserve that level of trust. They don't lffer any kind of change to police accountability, so this is merely a way to get gun enthusiasts to support them for reelection and not piss off other voters so they can get reelected.
Neither party is actually solving any problems on this issue, they merely speak to their base to get elected. So the rhetoric here should be dismissed, and voters should focus on the issues where the parties are actually interested in doing work (for GOP, it's mostly taxes and regulations, and for Dems it's mostly entitlements and regulations; neither party seems to focus on social issues beyond rhetoric).
If you're talking about something else, then please, elucidate so we can discuss it.
I know who my problem with is, is it’s just hate. Not exclusively politicians, anyone who wants to seee dead.
My point is that the GOP isn't your enemy, nor are they your friend. In a twin party system, you're going to have a party that covers each extreme up to the middle.
If you strongly dislike a given party, don't push against that party (that won't get anywhere), but instead push against the two party system, because that's what allows that party to have the power it does. If third parties were viable, neither the Dems or GOP would exist in their current forms. You'd actually know who your enemies are because they'd out themselves by the party they support.
The Nazis are a completely different story. It wasn't that they saw Jews as a cost or as objects, it's that they saw them as less than objects, they viewed them as actively threatening the country.
I didn't say that's where it ended, it starts with stripping people's humanity away by thinking of them as a number in your record books. Just like your suggesting.
As in, this was active hate, not apathy.
Your going to straight face tell me that this isn't what tump is doing? Rounding up immigrants and trans people as antifa?
It's not apathy right now. It's active hate. Go to any protest and see the right wingers with their attitude. See the Israelites in the US loose their mind on people standing up for Palestinians.
I assume you're talking about gun rights?
No. Human Rights.
When the 'left' calls for and protests for not killing of black (see what Kyle Rittenhouse did), Muslims, immigrants, trans people, ect.. It's always shut up no one cares.
And the GOP only has power, so long as the people that vote for them support them. And they elected a Nazi crew, so yes, my problem is with the people who voted for this hate.
It only becomes a problem if they make those views plain.
Even then, who cares tbh.
Wow I guess if you have to scroll all the way to the fifth whole link it can't possibly be plain, can it?
Sure the business owner thinks anyone who isn't white doesn't count as a person, but he only uses the resources you give him to promote that point of view as a hobby, so why worry?
I don't know, was it a personal blog, some social media post, or a page on the company's website? You didn't specify, and I honestly don't care enough to try to replicate your search.
If they're able to separate personal views from how they run their company, it shouldn't really matter what those views are.
This is the part I'm talking about:
i do want to point out how hard it is to even find out about the views of these people...
even looking up the name of David Heinemeier Hansson, the more vocally bad of these, i had to go to the 5th link to find anything even vaguely mentioning his views
You are not the person I originally responded to, how would you know they were referencing the OP? There aren't even 5 links in the article, and if we count the embedded X posts, the fifth link is about Hyprland. I'm pretty sure that's not what the OP is referring to.
The OP's point is that it's hard to find info on these people's views, and the links in the OP are from other people doing that digging. As in, we likely wouldn't know their views if these bloggers didn't dig through posts looking for it.
You mean big tent politics? That's inevitable with a 2-party system.
That said, theyade a donation to FOSS projects and FOSS shouldn't be political.
I didn't realize framework was a two party system 🙄
Everything is political, that's a ridiculous take.
Using your wallet doesn't have to be political.
Voting is, by definition, political. It is a common part of several different methods of resolving coordination problems (i.e. politics).
No,, voting is only political if it's part of a political process. Everyone in a group voting what kind of pizza to order isn't political, and it can merely be informative (e.g. the person ordering the pizza could pick something else). Voting is only political when it involves government.
"Voting with your wallet" a metaphor. It just means changing your shopping habits so a company loses revenue, usually due to a recent change. Maybe it's a policy you don't like, or maybe it's a drop in quality or something. It's usually not a political act, though it can occasionally impact political policy (e.g. if the boycott is in response to a political change that involves the target company).
Everyone in a group voting what kind of pizza to order isn’t political
Yes, it literally is. That's what politics is: how we control group behavior.
"A methodology and activities associated with running [...] an organization" -- en.wiktionary.org/wiki/politic…
Any organizational decision is politics, including but not limited to a group of people organizing a pizza meal.
You skipped the part that said "government." If you read the rest of the definitions, they all have to do with politics and power, even if they're not governments themselves. So think political parties, PACs, etc. Some non-government entities can have enough power to be comparable to that, such as large companies where maneuvering feels like maneuvering in a government.
Here are other definitions:
All of them are principally about government, or things closely resembling a government. That doesn't leave room for a small laptop manufacturer or small FOSS project, because they don't resemble governments. The same goes for patronizing a business or not, that's not a political act, because we're not dealing with the types of power associated with politics.
It's pretty plain on DHH's blog:
In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now.
I wonder what characteristic he uses to define « native brits » that can be seen when walking.
Or just take a look at his twitter. Which Framework obviously did since they retweet a lot of his posts...
A breakdown of DHHs racist post, in case people don't want to look up the original
jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-…
DHH Is Way Worse Than I Thought | jakelazaroff.com
DHH's politics are not normal. Maybe they used to be, I don't know, but as of right now the dude is way outside of what most people would consider moral or acceptable.jakelazaroff.com
This is unfortunate for sure. I want to give them a few days to respond for real, it's always possible they just didn't know about the issues here, but even in that thread they're brushing it off as though it doesn't matter. I'm not really sure what they get out of donating to these projects other than potential PR, anyway.
On a personal level I've recommended their laptops to people who have later bought them, and I was even looking at buying one myself to replace my aging macbook, but I don't think I can do that anymore while this is unaddressed.
I think it's more about repair ability than it is about upgrading. At some point you're going to end up with hardware that needs a different motherboard and then you might as well just replace the whole thing. There really isn't anything that can be done about that.
To be honest I kind of think framework go a bit far on the modularity of the device, it's a nice to have but really I'd be perfectly fine with a laptop that just has a replaceable keyboard, screen and battery, as those pretty much exclusively tend to be the parts that go wrong. Hell you could strip it down even further and just have an easily replaceable battery and it would probably be fine for 90% of people.
I mean, there's no real reason laptops shouldn't like any desktop computer with parts that can be swapped out. Maybe when laptops were first coming on the market with a difficult form factor to work with, but it's been long enough that modularity should be easy and the default.
If you can swap out tiny little SIM cards in a phone, you should be able to slot in standardized, smaller form-factor components like RAM, SSDs, etc.
And by the way, people can and do swap out motherboards all the time for desktops. There is no good reason to need to buy all new components all the time.
Yeah but you can't put a non ATX motherboard in an ATX case it physically doesn't fit.
Unlike desktops where you can get oversized cases laptops are all designed towards the board the really isn't that much space in a framework laptop. Like I don't you could go up a couple of inches and get a bigger screen for example because the whole frame wouldn't fit it.
Hell no, I love that I can just upgrade to a better Mainboard in a couple years
Why would I also ditch all the other components because of a CPU change?
I mean I assume it's because you wouldn't in fact be able to get constant upgrade you'd end up being limited by socket design and things.
There has already been at least one incompatible motherboard upgrade. Essentially a whole new line of framework laptops.
Yup, I'm not s huge fan of the FW12 because of the 3rd format they now have to maintain
But the Mainboard of 12, 13 and 16 are all interchangeable inside their model line
You're not really limited by socket design, as you change out the whole motherboard
The only limit is the physical size inside the case. And maybe thermals
At some point you’re going to end up with hardware that needs a different motherboard and then you might as well just replace the whole thing. There really isn’t anything that can be done about that.
You can just buy a newer, better mainboard on their website and slot it into your existing laptop. No need to change out everything. I fucking love them for that.
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I'd imagine Dell or Lenovo would ALSO be giving money to people you disagree with, albeit more secretively. Plus, their laptops are less repairable.
There's no ethical consumption under Capitalism, so you pick the "best" choice; Framework might still be "best", they haven't discarded all their competitive advantage.
I'll probably do System76 for my next laptop, but I was considering Framework for my next phone. I don't expect to need to purchase either soon tho, so lots of time for the decision calculus to change.
agents of shield. someone develops a tech called framework in the second half of the show. hydra is somehow involved, which makes this a great reference that nobody got because that show is criminally underrated.
it's also the best marvel tv show despite being shafted by marvel movies because apparently the heads of movies and tv didn't get along or something.
All this because Hyprland......checks notes......seems to allow free speech on their discord?
Guys.........come on lol. Why do some people try to make absolutely everything political? not just political either, but radical levels of political extremism. Don't judge a company by the things random unaffiliated people say on their forums lol. Hell, even if they are affiliated - who cares? Eat some concrete.
Yes a powerful and influential figure in the open source community using his platform to actively promote racist hate speech is literally identical to a 17 yo at burger king. Truly a brilliant analysis of the situation.
I agree with your last statement unironically.
It's funny how the most loud free speech warriors have the most superficial, performative understanding of free speech.
People get beat up by security services in authoritian regimes for reporting on corruption, but for "FreedomAdvocate" here, free speech is about the right to use slurs on Discord.
There is almost an abstract beauty to this level of debasement and regressivness.
And defending your right to associate with assholes whitout being shamed about it makes you look very much like an asshole.
Your continue in the same style and doubling down on victim-hood polemics.
Of course free speech includes a variety of viewpoints.
I am pointing out that "FreedomAdvocate" has a comically preformative view on free speech. Rejecting people who use the slur "tranny" is not a free speech issue and shows that FA doesn't actually care or believe in free speech.
It's all theatrics to try and show how allegedly independent he is and how is an alleged free thinker.
Embarrassing really.
I don't care if they're selling computers to fascist psychos.
I do care that they're using their soapbox to promote those fascist psychos.
I don’t care if they’re selling computers to fascist psychos.
Depends. If "Framework" became a nazi dog whistle like Lonsdale was a while ago, that alone would be a reason for me to not buy any Framework products.
Wow framework sells a lot of computers to real fascist psychos
A computer company doesn't do a political evaluation of each of their customers. When was the last time you had to submit your political beliefs in order to buy a computer from...anywhere?
Umm, Trump has been forcefully expelling people en masse for quite some time now, and detaining large groups of people in horrible conditions (sound familiar?). Have you not been paying attention?
The regime is absolutely, without a doubt, 100% fascist. It's following the Nazi playbook to a T.
Stop sanewashing his actions.
Palingenetic ultranationalism is a definition of "true fascism" proposed by political theorist Roger Griffin.
So, you are painting with a fairly fine brush there. While "Nazi" is more metaphorical, there are definitely people with authority in the US government that are literally fascists.
I've been thinking similar things. Maybe online platforms, including Lemmy, can be a bit unhealthy.
In the real world, if you say something a bit embarrassing in front of one person, they'll probably forget it after a while. Years later, nobody knows you said it. But on Lemmy, if I tell one person my opinion on a topic, that opinion exists on my profile for the rest of time, unless I delete the comment or my profile.
Is this situation relevant to that example? Are the people in question changed since the time in which the accusations were made?
Rebranding personal ethics and morals as "a purity test" is disingenuous at best.
If you're going to take umbridge with someone's approach at least do it directly instead of this backhanded high horse bullshit.
Wether you like it or not, some people don't have the luxury to stop fighting, even more so right now with so-called democratic governments that brutalize, lock up and torture people for their opinions, their sexuality or their skin color.
Ignore these debates if you wish, and disconnect from social networks if you need to rest. But don’t call for people to stop fighting when their very existence is put at risk by people like DHH, that Framework decided to support.
Sadly, the official discord server appears to also be a cesspool. So the community is also not that great
Which sucks, because omarchy seems to be quite nice
Did the author bother contacting them first before treating them like utter garbage and trying to rile up a public lynch mob? Just because something is well known to you doesn't make it well known to everyone. If there are no alternatives with the feature set you are looking for, then sometimes you even have to overlook questionable authors, sort of like Lemmy. If it's open source and has a license that allows forks, it doesn't matter that much.
You use open source because of functionality. It didn't used to be too long ago when people bothered to prove other people wrong through example instead of persecution. If you never convince people they are wrong, you just favor them creating and being in as much of an echo chamber as yourself. Even when they can't be convinced, there are other people listening to the conversation.
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Even just from looking at it from a practical standpoint, it would sink just about any company if they have to go full FBI investigation for every single member. If you agree with OP so much, then why do you not agree with OP?
perhaps it is indeed best to let it rest for now. i’ll certainly sleep on it now! :slight_smile:
Some people want to watch the world burn bridges.
Did the author bother contacting them first before treating them like utter garbage and trying to rile up a public lynch mob?
Yes, the community.frame.work is the preferred method for asking questions to Framework (see: frame.work/support), and the first post makes a few statements about non-Framework persons/projects and Framework has sponsored, and asks one question to Framework.
So, if you'd read the damn post, you'd know this is exactly how Framework asks to be engaged.
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You mean the post that literally says otherwise and that the quote from OP I had in my original comment agreed with?
Thanks, I appreciate you also replying in good faith. I don’t think this is likely to be a topic we’ll be able to come to alignment on within a community thread. We’re unfortunately in a world where it’s hard to have nuanced discussion, even if we preemptively agree on 95% of topics and want to discuss the remaining 5%, in a public forum.-nrp
perhaps it is indeed best to let it rest for now. i’ll certainly sleep on it now! :slight_smile:
-anarcat
Yes, I can see the reading is strong with you.
I can't even imagine the fundamentally flawed view of the world to think the best way to solve an issue like this is to first go through a public forum. Are you named Karen, by any chance?
Even in what you quoted, Framework has provided no more preferred communication method for this discussion.
No, my name is Stephen.
Because mod or alt mod removed it:
You mean the post that literally says otherwise and that the quote from OP I had in my original comment agreed with?
Thanks, I appreciate you also replying in good faith. I don’t think this is likely to be a topic we’ll be able to come to alignment on within a community thread. We’re unfortunately in a world where it’s hard to have nuanced discussion, even if we preemptively agree on 95% of topics and want to discuss the remaining 5%, in a public forum.
-nrpperhaps it is indeed best to let it rest for now. i’ll certainly sleep on it now! :slight_smile:
-anarcat
I can't even imagine the fundamentally flawed view of the world to think the best way to solve an issue like this is to first go through a public forum.
I'll excuse the rest of the comment, but check out the modlogs if you want to do so. Guess rule 3 is enforced directionally.
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I can't even imagine the fundamentally flawed view of the world to think the best way to solve an issue like this is to first go through a public forum.
Pretty sure I've made my opinion clear. Well, at least before you were offended by a slight comment and tried to and successfully removed the comment with the context. So much for public forums then, huh. The page has a direct way of contacting them through email for more sensitive issues like this, you are the one choosing to skip the option.
EDIT: ... Yes, should have been clear with the edit I made, although it was a description that aptly applied to your behavior and that of the people I criticized. Meanwhile you get off ranting "if you’d read the damn post" and that's apparently hunky dory. Yeah, no, sometimes mod's biases are quite clear, and with these sort of biases you have people downvoting with no comment history or activity whatsoever. Just saying, some people want to watch the world burn bridges.
I can't remove anything. I not a mod or admin of anything throughout the Fediverse. I think I can delete my own posts, but that might (and probably should) leave a deletion log similar to the edit log. (Actually the delete log should just be an edit log that ends with "DELETED".)
EDIT: The mod log says the comment violated rule 3. I think the part of your comment using a common name as an indirect insult might have not "be[en] excellent to" me, but that's just a guess.
ദ്ദി, but your evaluation means nothing to me but subjective hearsay.
Here is what responding in the actually proper context looks like: reddit.com/r/framework/comment…
I work for a fascist. He's my father. Fox is on his TV in his office beside mine right now. I suppose most would hate me if they knew that without knowing I cancel his vote out every time.
This might be a similar kind of situation.
I think there's a fundamental asymmetry between receiving resources from persons you disagree with and providing resources to persons you disagree with. As long as your tasks aren't doing fascism, I think it's fine to get paid by (i.e. take money away from) fascists. But, no matter what you might get from persons with bad politics, if you transfer resources to them, they are going to use those resources to pursue those bad politics.
(BTW, Fox isn't right-wing enough for the real fascists; too many facts. OAN is what they watch, I think.)
if you transfer resources to them
I get what you're saying here and mostly agree, but just want to point out that you are transferring a resource - your labour. So it is a bit more nuanced than this.
100% agreed. Just accepting business from an "out and proud" fascist, even if the task you were doing for them was community service, could be normalizing their "brand" enough that it's not worth doing. Selling ad space/time is also very questionable; tho, you might offset that with bumpers that let people know you what you actually think of the persons that bought the ad. Nuance is the rule, and two people that agree on moral principles might still do the moral calculus for any particular trade differently.
But, I don't think we need to (e.g.) add field of endeavor restrictions to our software licenses just to deny bad actors the same access we give to all other users/distributors universally. I don't think morally repugnant persons should be left out of food or housing programs or UBI. The fact that morally disagreeable people can buy a Framework is totally immaterial. The fact that among all the (nigh innumerable) software projects that Framework uses, they choose to directly support one (or more) where the people taking control of those resources are morally disagreable is a concern.
I would say most of the customers of Framework are the kinds of people who espouse the kind of antifascist ideology that that guy that started the thread does.
I don't think that the fascist sympathizer circle and the "willing to pay more money for an ethical laptop that isn't beholden to a big corporation for repair" circles have much overlap.
This is easy, "Framework doesn't support fascism or racism in any form. We support open source software and right to repair. Due to concerns with ideology in some of the projects we sponsor we are reviewing the projects we sponsor to make sure that they align with our values as a company."
The fact that they aren't willing to say so says plenty.
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Exactly. While I appreciate that a stock corporate “we’re looking into it and will complete our investigation right after you forget about it” would likely not go over well here, the response they issued basically made the concerns seem like a low priority.
Giving money to right wingers is no longer an issue of differing opinions. It’s literally arming the people that want people like me dead. I can’t dismiss that to keep the peace. I can’t just sit here and say “fine, I will allow myself and my entire community to be snuffed out quietly because it’s more convenient for you.”
The poster’s concerns were clear and vivid. Easily understood. And immediately dismissed.
It’s unbearably frustrating that so many in the world are think the complaints of those being oppressed aren’t important. I keep getting the response of “who cares, you’ll be dead soon anyway and then this argument won’t matter”
While I agree in principle, the response from the CEO, was: only like 5% of people we give money to are ~~racist Nazi bigots~~ "controversial", let's agree to disagree and move on.
Which is massive narcissitic, non-empathic behaviour. It's giving me less "you don't matter because soon you'll be dead"-vibes and more "I am literally unable to understand your concerns and empathise with you"-vibe, which to me personally is much more damning.
I'm posting my take here before reading any comments, but I will be looking for validation or good counter arguments:
This feels like Framework admitting that the opensource community is too small to exclude anyone, or maybe that they feel they can't exclude anyone because doing so would damage their ability to do business? I'm not picking up a "we love nazis" vibe, I'm picking up a "nazis are fucking everywhere, what do you want us to do, for fucks sake" vibe.
I don't know how I feel about that yet.
Yeah I agree completely with that sentiment.
Maybe they didn't know before, but they definitely know now. It'll be interesting to see how they respond going forward.
The elephant in the room more people need to pay attention to that many of us who work in IT are painfully intimate with.
Many IT people are hardcore libertarians who believe in some warped idea that they are where they are through their intelligence and hardwork while completely ignoring many of them come from backgrounds that afforded them the opportunities they are taking advantage of.
100% many of them are sexist, racist and bigoted pieces of shit that hide it at work because they're adept at masking the fact that a lot of them are borderline autistic at worst and neurodivergent at best.
This is also why you see such a deep investment in idiocy like AI, Bitcoin and other paradigm shifts. They all have their heads up their asses and feel they're better than everyone else.
Couple all this with the demographic being primarily white males.
Fuck talk to any woman who works in IT. It's changing yes, but Jesus Christ it's a cesspool in many ways.
Source: 25+ years in IT
At my company, most of the IT team are hardcore Trump supporters who do not see a problem with working with LGBTQIA people and being polite to their face, while also wanting them to have less rights.
Yes, they are all white men. And yes, all of them will tell you how hard they worked to get there, completely oblivious of how much an advantage they got to get there.
Many IT people are hardcore libertarians who believe in some warped idea that they are where they are through their intelligence and hardwork while completely ignoring many of them come from backgrounds that afforded them the opportunities they are taking advantage of.
I was this person. It is possible to reform, but it takes genuine curiosity and willingness to be wrong. Neither of those is rewarded by the IT environment of the last 30 years.
White dude in software here to echo the same sentiment. So many of my colleagues have never experienced any hardship of their own or viewpoints of people with different experiences. They don't think about how their privilege has helped them get where they are, and how their company culture often subtly (at best!) reinforces their worldview and massages their egos. They've never tried to think critically about their "meritocracy" or "libertarian" beliefs and how many people are unjustly excluded from the lifestyle they enjoy.
20 years in software development for me.
Who cares? This is just an attempt to censor things you don't like so that other people don't get to see them.
Grow up.
Huh? This has nothing to do with censorship. You can still see the abhorrent takes from DHH or vaxry if you so choose. We are just asking framework to not support them monetarily.
Stop calling any act of criticism censorship, grow up.
As an avid gamer, it’s ANNOYING AS FUCK.
When a new game is out, I want to know about bugs and performance, not whether or not the writing is ‘woke’, what characters are LGBTQ or how somehow any other aspect of it is related to this culture war. Fuck off with that far right bullshit.
Gaming forums should be about games. Leave politics and other bullshit out of it.
These days I just look at YouTube reviews and skip Steam’s comment section for at least a month after launch.
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tbh, the hyperland thing is, for me personally, not too dramatic. Like there was a failure in moderation and response, but "a manufacturer that supports an floss project that has a discord channel where a mod changed the pronouns of a user and the admin of said channel didn't respond harshly enough" sounds "forgiveable". Not ideal, but also not super dramatic.
DHH on the other hand 😅😂...
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P.S. you are right. Google has gotten so much worse compared just a year ago. I had no trouble finding this back then, now I have to dig.
Thanks 😁
Okay, first of all, I agree with the general sentiment. You should not donate money to facists. Which DHH clearly is. (I mean, it's absurd that we even have to talk about this in 2025, right? 😅) Just to be completely clear here.
I also agree that the hyperland community is full of assholes. However, being an ignorant asshole is different from being a fascist. If you read the blog of that hyperland guy, I get clearly the picture of an arrogant priviledged dude. However, he does not appear to be a nazi. (I wouldn't hang around with him, but he is not a fascist.)
And for me personally, that doesn't qualify for a boycott. If we draw the line there, boy would we end up with a lot of services to boycott. Even Linus Torvalds himself is kinda a dick at times (a differen kind yes, but still). Richard Stallman is bonkers. Don't get me started on Mark Shuttleworth. However, that doesn't mean that they are fascists and we need to exclude them from our communities. It doesn't mean that any corp donating to the Linux Foundation is evil and need to be boycotted.
Again, the argument against FW still stands because of DHH and their poor handling of the situation. But honestly, continuing to use hyprland in general is okay in my eyes. Supporting them with money is a bit more nuanced of course, but doesn't qualify to get cancelled.
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Money quote:
You can sometimes be forgiven for thinking that all of Britain is lost in self-loathing, shame, and suicidal empathy.
As I remember London
As soon as I was old enough to travel on my own, London was where I wanted to go. Compared to Copenhagen at the time, there was something so majestic about Big Ben, Trafalgar Square, and even the Tube around the turn of the millenium.web.archive.org
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Caparezza torna con “Io sono il viaggio”, primo singolo da Orbit Orbit
Dopo aver annunciato il suo attesissimo ritorno dal vivo per l’estate 2025, Caparezza sorprende ancora una volta i fan con un nuovo singolo: “Io sono il viaggio”.
ASCOLTA QUI: Caparezza torna con “Io sono il viaggio”, primo singolo da Orbit Orbit
Caparezza, “Io sono il viaggio”: primo singolo da Orbit Orbit | Atom Heart Magazine
Caparezza presenta “Io sono il viaggio”, il nuovo singolo tratto dall’album Orbit Orbit, in uscita il 31 ottobre con un fumetto.Redazione (Atom Heart Magazine)
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wroclaw off gallery weekend 2025
17-19 października:
odczas WOGW #3 do swoich miejsc i działań zaproszą następujące inicjatywy:
Bazar Bizarre, BREDNIE, CHWILÓWKA, Dawna Drukarnia PAN, ERZAC, Galeria Kanał, Galeria Magiel, Galeria Nicponiej, Galeria pod Żabicą, Galeria u Kosałki, GUA Collective, Kombinat, Kościół Nihilistów, Łzy Kobry, Muzeum w podziemiu, NOWY ZŁOTY, Pałacyk Powstańców Śląskich, Pracownia Hutmen, Pracownia Miłoszycka, Pracownia Siostrzana, Serwis Galeria – Pracownia, STYRTA
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BREAKING: Hamas and Palestinian Factions Agree to Gaza Ceasefire Framework
There is no other deal to be taken. Either this or return to fight with full American support coupled with Arab and Islamic passivity and let-down,” said the source close to the negotiators. He said that while the deal is problematic, it contains some terms that Hamas and other Palestinian factions pushed for in their response to Trump, including deferring major issues that would alter the future of Gaza and Palestine itself. “No surrender, no disarming, no mass exile, but most of all a permanent end to the war to be announced by Trump.”
When Hamas offered its official response to Trump’s 20-point plan last Friday, the movement’s leadership took the position that it only had a mandate to enter into a deal on issues directly related to the Gaza war. But it asserted that negotiations on the bulk of Trump’s proposal—which contains sweeping terms that will impact the future governance of Gaza, including demilitarizing and disarming Gaza and the deployment of foreign troops—would require the involvement of all Palestinian factions, not just Hamas.
All of these issues, including Israel’s demand that Hamas and other Palestinian resistance groups surrender their weapons and Gaza be fully demilitarized, will be deferred to future negotiations. “The next round of negotiations will be very tricky but going back to genocide will not be easy, even though it’s probable,” said the source close to the Palestinian negotiators. The internal calculus among the lead negotiators, he said, was “the cost-benefit analysis would favor accepting it. The next negotiations must be conducted in a very smart way.”
BREAKING: Hamas and Palestinian Factions Agree to Gaza Ceasefire Framework
“From our side, yes,” a senior Hamas official told Drop Site News.Jeremy Scahill (Drop Site News)
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Are there any left by now?
Also i have been assured that the hospitals once treated someone suspected to be part of Hamas. So they have now been officially declared a Hamas Terrorist Control Center.
”Libera Folio volas ŝoki, skui, ataki”
Mireille Grosjean kune kun Zdravka Boytcheva sendis por publikigo siajn kritikajn vidpunktojn pri Libera Folio. Ni aperigas la tekston en formo de vidpunkta artikolo, kune kun mallonga komento de la redakcio.
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Very niche PDF books, but in Spanish
There are these 3 books about dressmaking that are very out of print.
In English it took me 2 minutes to find them, but in Spanish there's not a trace and I know for sure that for at least the first two there are PDFs floating around somewhere.
All this made me realise that when I'm looking stuff in Spanish I don't have any idea on where to look.
Edit: Thanks, I learned a lot. Unfortunately that book I'm looking for is nowhere, at least in Spanish. But not all is lost, apparently there's a public library at a 30 minutes drive from home that has it, I could go borrow it and scan it myself.
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I just realised that I've seen those four letter many times and never looked into that site.
That was a bit overwhelming, I'll have to look again more calmly on PC when I get home.
Thanks!
epublibre is where I go. If you're in Spain I think you can't access it without a VPN. Dot org.
Edit: Oh, and they usually don't have new books.
Trump says Israel and Hamas sign off on first phase of Gaza ceasefire plan
Trump says Israel and Hamas sign off on first phase of Gaza ceasefire plan
Mediator Qatar said that more details of the agreement would be announced at a later date.News Agencies (Al Jazeera)
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So after two years, this seems to be it. I am happy for the Palestinians as they can go to bed without wondering if they'll be alive for the first time in years.
But that it had to come this far is a shame on humanity. Shame on the lack of action from our governments. From all the people that looked away.
Respect to all the comrades who were there, with me, with us all, at the protests and the actions, getting beaten and arrested. To all the people trying to do something about this atrocity.
Whether Israel will follow through on the ceasefire, only time can tell.
Death to Israel as always.
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However, attacks won't cease if there's no two-states implementation, there'd be no reason to.
Fewer Israelis support Israel taking over Gaza now than in 2024
A third of Israeli adults say Israel should govern Gaza, down from 40% in 2024.Beshay (Pew Research Center)
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Poll Shows Majority of Israelis Support Expelling Gazans
A Grim Poll Showed Most Israelis Support Expelling Gazans.Haaretz.comDahlia ScheindlinJun 3, 2025In 2014, when Jewish Israelis kidnapped and immolated Mohammed Abu Khdeir, a Palestinian teenager from East Jerusalem, many Israelis were shocked and ash…Haaretz (genocidewatch)
Poll: 82% of Israelis want to expel Palestinians from Gaza; 47% want to kill every man, woman, child - Geopolitical Economy Report
Poll found 82% of full citizens of Israel want expel Palestinians from Gaza. 47% support killing every single man, woman, and child in Gaza.Ben Norton (Geopolitical Economy Report)
If you want to find someone supporting Israel, then don't stay on Lemmygrad, i didn't thought for a second that the comment i posted was pro-israel.
Even if i wanted to defend Israel i wouldn't be allowed to anyway, i wouldn't want to be banned again for stupid reasons, just note that 78% of jewish israelis believe that Israel is trying to avoid civilian deaths, because they're brainwashed by their environment&medias(, to the point of somehow believing to be the victims here), surprise.
If people here oppose collective punishments then be coherent and don't wish it on israelis. Or do, i'm not your mom, end of the discussion for me.
Large Majority of Jewish Israelis: Israel Making Substantial Efforts to Avoid Palestinian Suffering; Majority of Arab Israelis Disagree
78% of Jewish Israelis and 22.5% of Arab Israelis think that, given the circumstances of the fighting in Gaza, Israel is making efforts to avoid causing suffering to the Palestinian population there.en.idi.org.il
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— Important note on the hostages:Some people keep saying that Hamas should not release all the Israeli hostages because it's their 'last leverage' against Israel.
What good has this 'leverage' done for Gaza in the past few months? Has Israel held back from committing genocide and massacring the Palestinians? No. Not at all.
In fact, the hostages are currently only being used as an excuse for Israel to keep bombing Gaza and commit further massacres in the name of 'bringing home the hostages'. They have outlived their usefulness for a long time.
If Hamas releases the hostages and Israel still continues the genocide, then the situation won't be 'worse' than before, because the genocide is already happening right now. The situation will be the same as it is now.
The only thing that will be different, is that it will show the world that it was never about the hostages in the first place.
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We will find out in the coming days or weeks if the hostages were of any value. It is clear that israel did not give a shit about them apart from those inconsequential protests by the taken's kin. Once the hostages are returned, we can gauge israel's actions to see whether keeping the hostages around served a purpose.
In fact, the hostages are currently only being used as an excuse for Israel to keep bombing Gaza
This is total bs. They would have done what they did either way.
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Public discourse was calling Palestinians violent terrorists long before October 7th.
This is true. The pro-Zionist media was always going to find ways to justify the genocide one way or another.
There is no value in trying to win the hearts and minds of residents of israel's patron states.
This I don't agree with. Pro-Palestine protests and direct action have played a role in pressuring Western governments.
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Hope for Palestinians finally being able to go to sleep without having to worry about being massacred? Indispensable. But as many keep pointing out, neither rules nor international law mean anything to the Zionist entity, so there's no knowing if this will just turn out to be all smoke and mirrors.
...and this is not on Palestinian terms, but entirely on imperialist terms aimed at their advantage. Surprise surprise. The US, its lapdogs, the UK and regional comprador states (Egypt, Jordan, Gulf states), and the Zionist entity aim for it to be managed like a colonial territory where Palestinians are being managed akin to past Western colonized territories, and they'd love to turn Gaza into a tax haven and money-laundering hub for billionaire war profiteering capitalists. An Eastern Mediterranean Monaco, if you will.
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burning petro dollars vs renewable commodities
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China is in first place with 32% of global renewable electricity production. They have built more solar capacity than the rest of the world has ever had installed in one year. No other countries are anywhere close to the green acceleration they have purposefully spearheaded for themselves and the world.
placing it near Poland
and well above the US, France and Japan
per capita consumption mix is probably a more useful comparison
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I'd really like to see a graph with per GDP energy consumption mix as well. Most of the countries with better mix than China have a fraction of the GDP.
They just recognized that selling solar pannels and stuff to othercountries is very profitable.
If it was very profitable, countries and companies would be falling over each other to do it.
if you can’t stuff the sun into barrels and sell it for outrageous profits
For anyone that's not twigged it yet
They're already turning this into another culture war to ensure they can continue to enrich the establishment.
The petrochemical industry has a lot of money to burn on propaganda if it's facing an existential threat.
Remember this when you read anything other than "we should be decarbonising as quickly as possible"
The best thing for everyone (in basically every possible way) except petrochemical shareholders is heavy investment in renewable technology and the ending of petrochemical subsidies.
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you have to laugh at the absurdity of the pot calling the kettle black when it comes to genocide & suppression; especially so when the american pot is SO MUCH blacker than the chinese kettle.
and laughing becomes a coping strategy when an overwhelming majority of americans and other westerners have swallowed so much propaganda that they willfully & sometimes violently remain ignorant of it.
¿por que no lo dos?
Both are terrible. But in the light of the absolute state of the world, China's a much lesser evil.
genocide
Wasn't there a pic of Xinjiang and Gaza being shared to show that this was western exaggeration and blame shifting?
No, China is not commiting genocide. The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective's Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims.
I also recommend reading the UN report and China's response to it. These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does.
Tourists do go to Xinjiang all the time as well. You can watch , though it obviously isn't going to be a comprehensive view of a complex situation like this. Even with all of the real complexities, though, nothing material measures up to claims of genocide.
As for "freedom of speech," it's largely capitalist speech that is suppressed. As class struggle is very much alive in China, they can't let the bourgeoisie take control of the media and manufacture consent for its own ends.
Xinjiang: A Report and Resource Compilation
Western governments have levied false allegations of genocide and slavery in Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region. A closer look makes clear that the politicization of China’s anti-terrorism policies in Xinjiang is another front of the U.S.Qiao Collective
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Ibama capitulates over oil drilling in the Foz do Amazonas - SUMAÚMA
Under pressure from the Lula administration and Congress, the head of the environmental agency has overruled 29 technical experts and approved the penultimate requirement for Petrobras to drill offshore from the AmazonNatália Chagas (SUMAÚMA)
to be fair the brazilian petrol company is mostly controlled by gringos at this point.
after temer and bolsonaro furthered its privatization, i mean.
Green energy is good, but I'm sceptical of China's intentions these days. They seem to have a pretty aggressive stance towards other countries, as seen in their handling of the nine-dash line.
I just get the sense that China is less interested in helping the whole world, and more interested in subjugating the whole world.
Issues Installing ProtonVPN Official App on Bazzite through Distrobox
I'm a linux newbie and would really appreciate some help here.
I'm on bazzite and want to install protonvpn. Ideally the official app, not flatpak, so I can use the apparantly newly added split-tunneling.
Previously i installed both protonvpn-cli and the gui version, "layered on top of rpm-ostree" as far as I understand it. And thats actually not desireable? I think i removed those.
Now i entered my distrobox, which is better for this(?), and followed these instructions:
protonvpn.com/support/official…
These commands are the ones I used:
wget "https://repo.protonvpn.com/fedora-$(cat /etc/fedora-release | cut -d' ' -f 3)-stable/protonvpn-stable-release/protonvpn-stable-release-1.0.3-1.noarch.rpm"
sudo dnf install ./protonvpn-stable-release-1.0.3-1.noarch.rpm && sudo dnf check-update --refresh
sudo dnf install proton-vpn-gnome-desktop
sudo dnf install libappindicator-gtk3 gnome-shell-extension-appindicator gnome-extensions-app
(the last one is supposed to install the system tray icon)
But protonvpn is nowhere to be found.
(protonvpn --version doesnt show anything.)
Any suggestions or resources that might help me?
How to install Proton VPN on Fedora | Proton VPN
How to install the ProtonVPN Linux VPN app on Fedora systemsProton VPN
I hope this is the correct link: distrobox.it/usage/distrobox-e…
The official installation process won't work, as Bazzite is an immutable distro.
You can install it with rpm-ostree. If you choose to do so, I invite you to look into what immutable distros are, and what problems they solve (and create).
I was curious and searched if it was more complicated than it looked for ProtonVPN. It doesn't look complicated, but it is not very straightforward either.
You can find how to do it in the comment of this reddit post
🇵🇸✨Celebrations breaks out across Gaza as Israel and Hamas officially sign the first phase of the ceasefire agreement.
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The Palestinians know just how untrustworthy Israel is.
But even a single day where they don’t have to worry about a bomb being dropped on their head is enough for them to celebrate.
That’s how low that bar is. I am ashamed to live in a world where that’s the case.
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •It's true the gold price increase is pretty striking, although it's not the first time since Marx gold has been king (actually didn't he write that fiat currency was impossible?). The rest, I'm pretty sure, are records the same way the stock market sets records all the damn time.
All relate to the fact the US is doing things.
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in reply to CanadaPlus • • •Why not just admit that you've never actually read Marx?
Meanwhile, similar records have indeed been hit before, and that's precisely how those of us who pay attention to history know that the crash is coming.
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I mean, we did get in a bit of engaging before the inevitable implode-and-insult thing I was waiting for. As I remember it, "as you can see, gold will inevitably always be the only form of money" was a major part of one of those exact chapters you mentioned, although obviously written in a more obtuse Das Kapital-ish way.
He was a smart man, but he did die before germ theory really took off. And goddamn, he didn't need to torture sentences like that to prove it.
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in reply to CanadaPlus • • •I've seen chatbots string together more coherent arguments than this. You've gracefully sidestepped every point of substance only to start deflecting, which is quite a performance. Your trolling is so transparent you're not fooling anybody.
And the fabricated Marx quotes? It's a bold and frankly pathetic strategy to just invent passages from a book you're pretending to have read. You're essentially just admitting you lack the intellectual horsepower to actually engage with what he wrote.
It is absolutely hilarious watching you cosplay as someone who has a clue about the subject you're attempting to debate. So, for anyone still following this thread, let's deal with this drivel directly and expose this fraud.
You're original claim was, and I quote: "Marx gold has been king (actually didn’t he write that fiat currency was impossible?)."
This is false. Not only did Marx not think fiat currency was impossible, he actually dedicated a significant part of Chapter 3 of the first volume of Das Kapital, to explaining exactly how it works. What you claim is a common misreading of what Marx wrote about money. It's ok though, this is dense stuff, so it's easy to get the wrong impression if you have poor reading comprehension
The actual argument rather than the one you made up is way more interesting though. The key thing to get is his distinction between money as a measure of value and money as a medium of circulation. For money to be a universal yardstick to measure the value of everything else like chairs or coats, he argued it had to have its own value, which is why a commodity like gold historically took on this role. That's the part you appear to be fixating on. However, when money is just being used to circulate goods where you sell a coat for money, then use the money to buy bread, the actual gold coin doesn't need to be there. It's just a placeholder, a symbol representing that value.
Since it's just a symbol in that moment, it can be replaced by something with no intrinsic value, like a piece of paper. He then proceeded to describe the state stepping in and issuing worthless tokens to circulate in place of gold. Here’s a direct quote from the book you claim to have read:
That's basically the original definition of fiat currency. He literally explained how it was as a logical development where the symbol of value gets detached from the valuable thing itself. He never argued that gold was money because of some magical property. What he showed was that it became money because it had the right physical characteristics for the job. Once again, if you bothered reading the book you'd see the following line that clears it up:
In other words, the need for money arose from the economic system, and gold just happened to be the best material to fill that role at the time. It’s a functional argument, not a dogmatic one.
My advice is just delete your account and go back to reddit where trolls like you belong. You'll be much happier there interracting with people on your own intellectual level.
Economic Manuscripts: Capital Vol. I - Chapter Two
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •Sooo it's not just me, lots of other people read it this way too.
Sure, which is entirely reasonable if you're writing in the Victorian era, and no other kind of money has existed to your knowledge (Europeans didn't pay much mind to what the deal was with cowrie shells). As was the thing about the spread of railways leading immediately to global communism - it was a huge, unprecedented shift at the time. Scholarship advances, though.
I'll just skip the return poo-flinging, since you're right, we might be alone. If you mistake that for weakness that's your problem.
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in reply to CanadaPlus • • •Yes, you're in no way unique in having poor reading comprehension.
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •Ooor everyone else is right and you're a zealot reading what you want into a holy book.
It's been more than a few years, and I'm not sure Marx's imminent revolution is any more imminent.
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in reply to CanadaPlus • • •I mean I literally provided you with the quotes from the book showing that what you said was wrong. Instead of taking the L, you decided to double down using the ad populum fallacy. Absolutely incredible stuff. We have a true reddit moment here.
Hilarious of you to say this when the entire western world is imploding on itself. I guess makes sense that you'd be living in your own fantasy world given that you have reading comprehension of a squirrel on meth.
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in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • • •An honest interlocutor would consider the possibility that either could be the alternate reality.
Which time? A lot of stuff has happened; WWII is still closer to present than to Das Kapital.
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in reply to CanadaPlus • • •I love how you got caught lying, but just keep on digging. Meanwhile, it's adorable how you think the age of Das Kapital has anything to do with the analysis there. Again, maybe if you spent the time to actually read it instead of making clown of yourself in public, then you'd see why it's an important theoretical work on the mechanics of capitalism.
Anyways, I'm going to stop here. You can have the last word which you so desperately need.