For those of you doubting the claims for lack of evidence, stating that you'll "wait for the facts" or evidence before allowing yourslf to be outraged—
Where is your outrage for the countless other people who were there who personally testified to being beaten, abused, and paraded around like trophies?
There are already multiple interviews with Chris Smalls, a black American labor organizer, who directly confirmed that he had been beaten, choked, packed like a sardine into a small cell, sleep deprived, strip searched, and completely brutalized by the Israeli navy and prison system.
Ask yourself—why does this need to have happened to the appropriately aged, white, European female on a 4k, live streamed or recorded feed with corroborating testimony by the Israelis and the national newspapers of the country of origin of the supposed victim—why is that the bar you've set for credulity?
What does that say about you or your reaction to the situation?
Wake. Up.
Fuck the details, fuck the squabbling over what constitutes "roughness" versus physical assault. Fuck the inclination to want to hear "the other side" of the story. Things are going horribly wrong in Israel/Palestine—in a place that we've all been told over and over is supposed to be demonstrably above reproach. If even half these claims are true—if even a single one of them is true—what GOOD is it preserving the supposed beacon of democracy in the middle east when they treat foreigners this way?
Even if you think these activists are mentally unwell, or menaces, or being performative, or just doing this for "selfies"—so what? We all know these activists are obviously not terrorists and at least some of them genuinely believe what they are doing. None of this justifies their treatment. Nothing justifies the richest and proudest countries on earth—however much you might agree with that claim—what GOOD is that if our prisons condemn people to absolute squalor and abandonment to the whims of their guards?
HOW is this any different from the indignity camps? These peoples possessions were seized as trophies , their clothes taken, their bodies crammed together like chattel. Do there need to be ovens for there to be discernable lines? Must you feel the radiant heat on your own brows before you'll indulge the sensation that something isn't right here?
Funny how people did the exact same thing regarding the concentration camps the Nazis operated. People chose not to believe the reports they heard from the inside regarding the horrendous and deadly conditions. They "waited for the facts" which of course did not come out until after several years of grinding gruelling war, and well after the final solution began and the gas chambers were operational.
There's evidence enough as it all stands right now to know that Greta is being tortured and abused, and her human rights violated, as we know so many Palestinians have already been for decades and continue to be every day. Hell, the Israeli officials are constantly publicly bragging about the violations of human rights and international law they're committing, so maybe even listen to them when they do so?
Indeed, but that isn't my primary concern, since we have as much responsibility to call out their bullshit. Problem is that the media gets bored after one pass and never tried to correct the record.
A responsible CNN for example would call Trump out at every opportunity during live presentations and not broadcast anything pre-recorded that Trump says that doesn't have a basis in fact or hold any value to the public otherwise (like trump rambling nonsense reveals his worsening senility, which is handy to know).
FOX News isn't even worthy of criticism it's so utterly captured by the conservative propaganda machine.
Oh well that specifically wait and see, sure. But obviously it shouldn't move the needle on your opinion of the state of Israel and their unconscionable siege of Gaza, is what I meant.
Honest question: is that not just being complicit in their cover up? If they say nothing happened and nobody is allowed in to verify anything, then you say nothing has been verified yet so you'll assume nothing has happened, it's that not just doing exactly what they want? How are you supposed to prevent atrocities if all they have to do is deny and refuse outside observation for you to remain inactive?
I just don't like to take things on faith. Some collaborating evidence is nice to have. It doesn't mean it has to be irrefutable proof, the bar isn't that high in this case imo.
Where is the outrage over the hostages Hamas has taken and have beaten and raped? If you're outraged over unconfirmed reports of a person being treated this way, shouldn't you also be outraged that Hamas does these things? Or is acceptable to treat people of certain ethnicities in this way?
Cool projection bro. Israelis are europeans & Israel is not real buddy. Also all of the Israeli population are military personel. While Palestine actually has a civilian population
Although I disagree, my point was more so a rhetorical one about the cynical/skeptical people chiming in to assert an absurdly high bar for people to clear in order for any concern about the current state of affairs in Israel to merit attention.
they didn't say new kind, they said new atheist. which is a special kind of atheist who makes atheism their entire personality as a reaction to their previous upbringing and tap about religion more than born again evangelicals.
While I wouldn't wish this on anyone, it's amazing how self-destructive this is. Greta is an internationally famous activist. Flagrantly violating and abusing a person with world renown - along with dozens of other activists - is a radically stupid way to hasten international isolation.
It is well known by most in Israel that the country simply cannot function in isolation. It will lead to collapse. In this, they are giving the flotilla far more power to eventually overthrow the ruling regime.
The beating and flag kissing is sourced to another captive, and might be exaggerated, but her general mistreatment was reported by Swedish diplomats after speaking to her. It's pretty credible, imo.
Are you genuinely interested in exercising neutral skepticism? Or are you just arguing on the Internet against claims that run counter to your preferences for what you'd like to be true?
I sincerely believe that the world is a lot less extreme than what social media is telling us. Exceptions, yes, but those are exceptions. Most of the discussion that takes place anymore is driven by sociologically hacking us, done by interested parties to drive division and distrust. It happens on all sides. That doesn't mean you should drop your support for peaceful protest, aid delivery, etc., but it does mean we should be aware of propaganda and manipulation that confirms our own biases. The effect of the rush to extremes is that we then create extreme situations. The world is getting uglier and uglier, largely driven by this problem.
Does this cut both ways? Because I agree with what you: we should not reflexively believe sensationalist claims because they reinforce our preferred view of the world.
But under the exact same logic, we also should avoid dismissing sensationalist claims because they contradict our preferred view of the world.
Being aware of the manipulation you mentioned, and the fact that forces are trying to manipulate you in both directions on this issue... do you have any credible reason to dismiss testimony by Greta Thunberg to a Swedish diplomat regarding the treatment she experienced?
edit: ~~to all those who can't employ critical thinking, representants for the swedish ministry of foreign affairs met Greta Thunberg on Saturday and received no reports of violence. She says there has been too little to eat and drink, she suspects there's bed bugs and she stated that she had to lay on hard surfaces. Nothing about what this article states, so unless it happened right after the embassy left, this is bull and only meant ragebait.~~
edit2: I would advice everyone to apply critical thinking when reading this article. It is framed in such a way as to invoke rage in readers and is probably not true. Swedish representants for the foreign ministry has met with Greta which stated that there was lack of food and water and that they have to lay on hard surfaces in addition to receiving harsh treatment. No mentions of violence.
Now harsh treatment could cover a lot, but the fact that she hasn't mentioned that they were inflicted violence is a pretty strong indicator that this is not true. In addition, swedish media hasn't covered this story which I have no doubt they would pick up on pretty fast since the flotilla and the genocide is well covered in media. This would be headlines to say the least.
There are mentions of pictures, and she herself was aware such pictures may exist and asked whether they had been released. So, no, you’re misled. Forcing detainees through beatings and physical force into interacting with the Israeli flag is a common humiliation practice by Israelis if you know anything about them. It’s pretty much standard practice. They wouldn’t think twice about doing it to their newest victim regardless of who “she thinks she is”.
Have you considered that maybe she's very traumatised both physically and mentally at the moment and is recovering first before she steps out into the public eye again?
Where in the article does it say she gave testimony herself? Also it isn't that much of a niche news site, it's one of the biggest left wing news outlets in the UK, probably the second biggest after Novara
I'm not a chatbot, you can read the article yourself and find out these things. I haven't insisted the article is credible. Go back and read what I wrote and you'll see that
If you can't understand why someone wouldn't go out in front of the world and make big statements in line with these claims, or any statement at all, immediately after a very traumatising experience then you really need to work on your empathy and understanding of basic human emotion. I understand your skepticism, to a point. I just gave a very obvious reason why she hasn't talked about the harrowing things she went through in detail to the public straight away, whether they are as is said in this article or not. Even thinking about them is going to be very difficult for her, nevermind doing what you're expecting
Edit: Taken out a sentence that isn't relevant, as I thought you were the OP of this comment thread before
I don't disagree with the sentiment at all, I just think when you report news like this, you do it responsibly. One of the reasons we're in the situation that we're in with massive distrust of institutions on the one hand, but widespread believe in conspiracy theories on the other is because fact checking has fled a lot of buildings, and depending on your biases people either doubt everything or believe everything dogmatically. There are other reasons of course, and root causes. But it sucks and is tearing us apart.
The Guardian article is worded much more equivocally. "Another detainee" claims she had to kiss the flag. She has given statements herself, but hasn't corroborated the other claims including of her own having been forced to do so. Heresay in general and limited sources.
All I'm asking is that articles make this obvious and don't sensationalize, like the article posted by OP. Whatever the case, the abuses by Israel we have solid evidence for are bad enough.
Mate can you actually read? I replied to your comment to push back against you expecting Greta to be standing up on a platform and immediately talking about all of this stuff to the world when she's going to be very traumatised. And that she would be whether what the article says is true or not. That's it. Nothing else
My whole point has been about that, not about the article and it's accuracy. The only times I've said anything about the latter is cos you keep somehow not understanding that I'm not talking about the accuracy of the article and bringing it back up again. And even then the only thing I really said in response to that was pushing back against you saying The Canary is niche when it actually isn't really. And also telling you to read it, seeing as you clearly hadn't from what you've said in replies. You didn't understand entirely what you were arguing against in the article and now you're not understanding my point at all and have somehow gone off thinking I'm saying things that I'm not
You're being needlessly confrontational. I agreed with your sentiment the very first time you replied to me, and clarified my concern is about accuracy of the reporting, so don't blame me for your own failure to stay on topic.
I think that's needlessly infantilizing her. She's 22. She's not a "little kid". I think she's old enough for her opinions to carry weight, so how is she a "little kid"?
Well someone who is above 40 will probably think of her as a little kid while someone who 28 for example will probably think that they are close in age. Though this doesn't matter no one deserves to be treated like this regardless of age.
I'm not going to take political opinions from a 3 year old, which is about what I'm thinking when someone says "little kid". Teenagers, like she was when she got famous, can have enough context about the world that their opinions, particularly about things like sustainability, equality, etc, are valid.
I mean, I feel you, I remember aggroing over verbiage like that when I was younger, but as I am now approaching my upper 30s, I find myself referring to basically 25 yos and under as 'kids', its not necesarrily always meant in a demeaning, infantilzing way, can be meant more in the sense of...
... 'has their whole life ahead of them still, it shouldn't be marred or maimed or traumatized this early' /
/ 'they are adults technically yes, but they have far less experience than most other adults' /
/ 'they are too young to be beset by such cruelty and hardship, there should be other adults being better adults such that these awful things do not happen.'
I guess what I am trying to say is it becomes a kind of genuine, broad protective connotation, not trying to be belittling, moreso a lament that the world has failed.
Maybe call it a bungled attempt at intergenerational solidarity.
The thing is, she wasn't just called a kid, but a "little kid".
Sure, I'd call early 20s kids too. Hell, I'm a kid, I'm only turning 30 this year. But I wouldn't call someone a "little kid" once they hit their teenage years. The "little" is what makes the difference in tone. Could've said "she's just a kid" and it would've been a believable attempt at intergenerational solidarity.
stop just commenting here on lemmy. Get your social media accounts back. Add each other. Post this stuff everywhere. Take back all these spaces. It's like 15 minutes of work to actually accomplish something instead of just being mad. If you're willing to protest but can't be bothered to create a login then there's something wrong. Posting content is a form or protesting in today's world.
The platforms you have in mind are not neutral spaces that we could "take back". The architecture of these networks actively works against us. They are designed to promote right-wing liberal propaganda, at the very least. We can't win there. It's a fight against windmills. It's better to encourage the people around you to switch to the Fediverse.
How? You're wrong entirely. It's a numbers game. Always has been. Their algorithm only tries to suppress it. It can't stop it. Right now the architecture works in our favor it just takes numbers. Which is why they invested so much in making leftist retreat and delete their accounts. It's why you said what you just said. They don't want you showing up with numbers like we use to. This is a game of repetition. People are influenced and change opinion only when they are faced with an overwhelming number of that one opinion every day. So they convinced us to remove ourselves and not fight back.
Once again another assumption, I was saying they're wrong in assuming no one here is posting this to other places, you don't know what we're doing, they just went on the attack from the get go and that's an immediate way to alienate instead of cooperate.
I get you're mad, the situation is atrocious, you cannot control it, you can control how you respond to it.
Framing it as an absolute is wrong. Never said nobody is. But a significant number of users here have purged all other social media. That was the Exodus
Regardless of what your opinions on Palestine might be, Israel really isn't beating the allegations right now.
I remember what I learned in school about this, it was described as a territory dispute between two equal belligerents. Maybe that was true 30 years ago, I don't know, but it really doesn't describe what's going on right now.
The war is over. Israel won, Palestine barely even exists anymore. This is the part where you're supposed to facilitate aid and win over the losers to your side. dafuq flavor of genocide you dune Israel?
of course, nobody who needs to read this will ever see it. I'm just upset that this kind of thing can even happen in current year.
Of course the second, I'm looking at current events like it's still 2015. not sure why I'm doing that, but fuck does current events make me miss 2015.
it was described as a territory dispute between two equal belligerents. Maybe that was true 30 years ago
It was never true. Israel has had the upper hand since it was founded. Colonialist oppressors always hold their positions through overwhelming force. Israel is no exception.
"They dragged little Greta (Thunberg) by her hair in front of our eyes, beat her, and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. They did everything imaginable to her as a warning to others.
Something very similar was seriously considered for Germany at the end of WW2. Basically, wipe out all industry of Germany, make it an agricultural nation, and skilled workers can migrate to other countries. That's about as close as it gets to remove a country.
With that said, I believe Israel should be allowed to continue existing. But it should go trough a process like de-Nazification.
Yeah how dare she bring food, water and medical supplies to an ongoing famine in a city that has been continuously bombarded with missiles for multiple years straight! Shows her for trying to do some good in this world!
If you are being stupid then ya, she knows she will get arrested. She is a rich white girl that's why why is doing shit like this otherwise she would have been shot long ago.
Al Jazeera has a different report. They say she was dragged, not beaten.
I cannot understand the language spoken in that X video, there is no translation, and there are no free publicly available no-login X.com video translation options that I can find.
Additionally I cannot find the cnn turk video from this activist on the internet anywhere but this x link.
I would be very surprised if they actually did what this post describes because everyone would be outraged. She's a sweetheart and so many eyes are watching what they do.
There were elections during Assad's regime, they were just single-party shams. First (hopefully free and fair) election in a long time, though, which I'm sure was your actual point.
Marc Maron is the person who people think the lot of these guys like Burr are. His comedy/commentary is earnest. He has conviction. People like Burr are performative commentary. They go back to the dressing room to wash off the clown makeup so they can go back to being their private self. They don't give a shit about the things the say into the mic.
Burr is pretty genuine, and he's come a long way in the past 5-10 years (largely due to his awesome wife). However, he's still a "both sides" liberal when it comes down to it.
So what makes this worse then doing a show for the US? And I don't mean just now with Trump the US has been doing horrible stuff for decades, but do they get a pass because they are the "good" guys.
i agree, the US has obviously committed far more heinous acts and destabilised specific countries and the world way more than anything the Saudis have done.
No it says alot about you. The US has done horrible things but they get a free pass. Because they're the good guys and they're BS manifest Destiny complex.
Let's see removed democratically elected leaders in countries to stick in their sock puppet government.
Then goes to eat against that government when it no longer listens to them.
Then whisks people away tons jail where they get no.trial or anything and tortures them.
I mean the US is responsible for more deaths and pain and suffering then the Saudis. So why are they not worse because they're white.
Then not mention what Americas consumerist culture is and has done to the world.
Who says we get a free pass? The US isn't all white...
You know, it doesn't matter... The US and everyone in it is a villain. We're the worst country with the worst people. Someone should nuke us all and then the world would be a better place. All the white people here are just awful. Death to America!!
Not the same scenario. The equivalent would be these comedians doing a set that was paid for by the White House, with a list of restrictions on what could be said. Which would receive just as much backlash
And how many of these comedians hold their tongue regarding religion and people of power when performing in their home country? Or when touring internationally on non-state-funded tours?
Don’t take my opinion of these comedians as anti-Saudi. I was plenty anti-Saudi before this. If these ‘comedians’ agreed to take money from the US president to not make mean jokes about him, I’d be just as disgusted at their lack of spine.
I used to love standup comedy. These days I feel as though so much of the mainstream comedy scene is made up of immature losers who peaked in highschool. Joe Rogan, Bert Kreisher, Bobby Lee, Chris Distefano... I cannot stand these guys. The list goes on.
I thought Bill Burr was different. I'm really disappointed.
You guys expect way too much from the court jesters. There's plenty of serious enterprises investing heavily in SA, go after them if this is something you care deeply about. Comedians aren't supposed to be the moral pulse of society and yet that's how almost all conversations about them are framed these days.
This was kind of my thought too. They're just dudes who want to make money. Sure, yeah, hate them for working with SA, that's fine, but what were you honestly expecting from these people?
You don't get it, she's a good billionaire because she's a girl and owns her music. Who cares that she takes a private jet flight for what could be an hour long drive - she could never fly economy due her popularity!
Comedians are probably the most disingenuous ones too, as idols. thier job is to Joke, and you know personally they are either what they joke about(they become the jokes themselves this default for right winger comedians they become thier own jokes, or doing the opposite of what they are joking.
I don't disagree with you, but this is isn't exactly "idol" level expectations, either. "Not selling out to horrific regimes" is basic decency I'd expect of everyone, not just those I look up to. Most of the names I see here make sense, but there are a few I expected to be better than this.
I am really disappointed to see Bill Burr here. I'm not surprised to see Mark Norman and others who made a name for themselves by making jokes at others expense. They remind me of little kids in school picking on the fat kid or the new kid from another country.
I hate to bring this up, especially since SA kills people so openly, but the US's track record of committing terrorist acts, or supporting terrorism (South America) is terrible. We're currently supplying weapons to Israel that they use to kill children. That's going on right now, they've killed like 60,000 Palestinians, 20,000 children. If you weren't American would you be okay with comedians playing in a country with America's history?
These people are all willing to play shows in the US, why wouldn't you expect them to play in Saudi Arabia? Sounds like living in denial about our own country. Like the concept of blood diamonds; money from software made in the US has funded conflict all over the globe but no one called it blood software. We used to export soybeans and used the money to bomb foreigners and no one called em blood soybeans.
Moral failings are always some other countries problem, we're the shining city on the hill remember? /s
We're not great currently, but we are leaps and bounds better than Saudi Arabia right now
No, you are not. You have fascist brigades roaming around terrorizing minorities, you have innocents being taken to illegal prisons, you have a worldwide media apparatus boosting fascism all over the world, 20% of male black US population goes through jail (where slave labour is legal) at some point of their lives, you are intervening in regime change and upholding fascist puppets like Milei or Bolsonaro, you start war after war after war, and last but not least, you're materially and diplomatically enabling the genocide of Palestinians by the fascist ethnostate of Isntreal. The US is not "leaps and bounds better than Saudi Arabia".
Playing a show in Saudi Arabia would be different than playing this show funded by the Saudi government. The shows played in America, for the most part, aren't funded by the government here. That's the difference. People gave the celebrities who performed at Trump's inauguration shit for it. That's consistent my guy.
Also the fact they were supporting something opposite of what Saudia arabia represents. aka, free speech, lgbtq+ rights,,,etc. something SA is against and they went and accepted the money.
Saudi Arabia is an absolutist monarchy where the person in power is a monarch, so playing a show for the monarchy is playing a show for the people in power.
The USA is a capitalist country where the people in power are capitalist owners, so playing a show in a privately-owned venue is playing a show for the people in power.
There's a big difference between playing a show IN a country and playing a show FOR a country. We rightfully give people shit for performing for Trump at the White House but not for performing for a bunch of normal people in Los Angeles.
They know they will get future gigs with MSB, who will probably pay millions down the line per show, or viewing. aside from chapelle who is obviously wants to joke about trans people with no restrictions, the others are just doing it for money.
US imports of Saudi oil have not been significant for awhile now, North American oil production has increased massively over the past several decades. The US has actually been energy independent and a net exporter for around 5 years or so I think.
I don't think many Americans are happy about the US relationship with Saudi Arabia but it doesn't get shoved in their faces often so when comedians act like this it becomes an avenue for that anger to be expressed. Many Americans have parasocial relationships with comedians, and/or have this idea that they are "fearless truth-tellers", so it hits a lot different compared to abstract foreign policy and people get a lot more easily riled up about it.
They were funded by these large groups and that isn't talked about enough. It wasn't just SA blood money they chased. They took it from hertiage foudation and other conservative groups. Most probably didn't even realize they were doing it. They'd just get booked through agents. It just happened that these agents were working with groups who probably paid for personality profiles of the lamest comedians who could benefit their cause if they were actually popular.
There are definitely exceptions. All of the comics mentioned here are people who peaked a decade or more ago, and most of them are extremely out of touch. There are a lot of more contemporary comics who are doing a great job. I don't see Josh Johnson or Ashley Gavin or Gianmarco Soresi or like the people on Dropout showing up to something like this. There's a whole generation of great comics, a lot of them coming out of UCB, who are funnier, wittier, and wiser than any of these clowns.
What's popular and "well known" is rarely, if ever, innovative. Established comics are always the most boring and hacky of their time. They may have been fresh and innovative once, but once they're at the top, they just become tired shells of what they once were. The actual trend setters are the up-and-comers. That's who define the era.
You don't need to be a moral paragon to recognize that taking money from the fucking bone saw guy to whitewash his shitty dictatorship is bad and will piss off your audience. Where is the line for you? If you think Burr is excused for this because his claim to fame is being a piece of shit, could he do anything you actually find unacceptable?
It's not that black and white. Initially, the government wanted to closely police everything that was said. But they softened their stance after some back and forth. So Saudis who attended the shows were exposed to some mildly sacrilegious stuff. Religious fundamentals could frankly use a lot more of that in this world, and hopefully they will be less crazy as a result.
idk, i'm just getting tired of this hyper-fixation on holding performers to some lofty standard. He did something that isn't remotely enough to land him in prison, so I'm going to not care at all and keep enjoying his comedy. Seems fairly reasonable to me.
To me this does not feel like an especially lofty standard. Particularly for someone like Burr who is already wealthy and established enough that a $1m paycheck isn't life changing money.
I do agree that religious fundamentalists could use more exposure to people speaking freely and openly, but that is not what this is. Besides the government imposed restrictions on topics they were allowed to mention in their sets, the audience itself is the wealthy elite from Riyadh who are the least religious and most secular segment of Saudi society. These are a bunch of rich folks who can fly to NYC whenever they want to catch any comedy show they want to see.
The reason that performers and comedians in particular piss people off is because of the whole free speech thing. It is a gross look to be someone reliant on freedom of expression for your career to take money from the guy who notoriously had a journalist brutally tortured and chopped up with a bone saw. And it's not like that is the only horrific thing MBS has done either, it wasn't even the first or last journalist he has murdered. If they were just performing in Saudi Arabia for some kind of private org and the money wasn't being paid directly by MBS there would be significantly less anger or sense of betrayal from their fans. MBS is a notorious psychopath directly responsible for horrific crimes and anyone who associates with him is going to be tainted by it, there is no getting around that.
Theyre comedians, dude. They do corporate gigs all the time, and always have. And no one gave a shit. Even though many of those corporations would be evil as fuck as well.
But in the case of this, you could at least make the argument that theres a greater good being served, in so much as that the country is being exposed to new ideas and views through comedy. Bill Burr said "theyre just like us" when talking about the people, and social media crucified him for it. Why? Because they hold the people to account for the actions of their leaders. Which to give it context, would be like calling someone a Trump voter because they happen to be American.
The whole outrage is fucking stupid. The focus should be on the Saudi leaders, who are once again trying to wash their image on the global stage. But instead, all we hear about is how much of a piece of shit Bill Burr is... Tell me, do you go this hard on City group? Man City, New York City teams are sports washing pure and simple. Wheres all the outrage about that, which has been going on for more than a decade?
I am trying to think of a corporate gig that would be comparable. Being a murderous dictator who has journalists butchered is generally viewed as being significantly worse than your average CEO by most people. Maybe you could say taking money from Erik Prince is sort of on par? I would expect there to be a somewhat equivalent level of outrage in that scenario. Bill Burr whoring it out for a more normal corporate overlord who isn't directly involved in torturing and murdering people isn't going to draw the same kind of condemnation though.
I agree that the only slightly compelling argument in this is that there is some greater good being served here, but it is impossible to ignore the reality of the situation. MBS is directly paying them, there are rules about what they are allowed to say, the audience is a bunch of wealthy elites who already have easy access to anything they want, and the intent of the whole thing is very obviously part of the larger image rehabilitation campaign that MBS has been attempting to pull off for the past few years by throwing his blood money around. Burr got crucified for what he said because it is exactly what MBS wants him to say. Burr saw a bunch of fast food places and that was enough for him because he is being paid, and he knows if he said some real shit about MBS it would be a problem.
I do tend to go this hard on whoever. If they want to associate with someone like MBS I am going to judge the shit out of them for it just like I would anyone else. It's disgusting behavior whoring yourself out to a dictator. I don't need people like that in my life and I regret that I have to share this planet with them.
By that logic, Bill Burr and every single other comedian should leave the US and never perform there again, as the country currently engages in material support of genocide of Palestinians. I agree with that logic, I'm not playing devil's advocate
there are fans of these comedians, you are going to expect some critcism if they are hypocritical. its not like its a NON-FAn that suddenly was criticizing him.
The lineup features Dave Chappelle, Louis CK, Bill Burr, Kevin Hart, Whitney Cummings, Pete Davidson, Aziz Ansari and Jo Koy, among many others who are all taking their fees directly from the Saudi government.
Burr being on that list surprises me, but it said he’s also been to UAE. Davidson is pissing on his father’s grave.
They have also taken flak from their peers. “The same guy that’s gonna pay them is the same guy that paid that guy to bone-saw Jamal Khashoggi and put him in a fucking suitcase,” said Marc Maron in a standup clip posted on his Facebook.
Well I guess I don’t know for sure but based on their general reactions to other people doing the show it sure seems like they turned it down for moral or ethical reasons.
I can't find it now but FWIW I just saw a video earlier today where Shane Gillis was dicsussing this. His reaction (at least in retrospect) was "You mean the 9/11 guys? No thank you".
I'm guessing he was just one of many other comedians that were blasting the others about it. I saw one list, I don't know how comprehensive it is, but that's what I'm going off of. It listed all the comedians on the bill and mentioned the two that turned it down.
Jim Jefferies disappeared from the Riyadh festival lineup after he said on Theo Von’s podcast: ‘One reporter was killed by the [Saudi] government – unfortunate, but not a fucking hill that I’m gonna die on.’
What a fucking loser. He threw his soul away AND lost the payday. Lose-lose fucking loser.
"arguing it is for the greater good that “freedom-of-speech machines” such as himself bestow their “edgy” material on the kingdom and its subjects."
It is one thing to sell your soul for money (or try anyways lol) but it is an entirely another level of loser quality to pretend like you are fighting for freedom while doing it.
My thought about the whole thing was that if someone went there and, in spite of the agreement they signed, teed off on the Saudis and whatever else they were forbidden from discussing, I'd have had respect. Was honestly hoping that's what Burr was intending to do. I'd have donated to the GoFundMe for them to fight the inevitable lawsuit from the Saudis.
Obviously didn't happen. We live in a difficult world, and when presented with the choice between fighting (hard) and rolling over (easy), people take the obvious choice. I don't know if I'm doing it differently.
Are these sets even recorded and able to be viewed somewhere, or were they essentially private? If they're private, I dunno, I get it.
I wouldn't get so annoyed if they just took the easy path and went along with it. My only reaction would be to perhaps not watch their shows. But taking the easy path while pretending like it is actually virtuous... It just feels very slimy... Now I feel like making fun of this person every time I hear his name.
I don't think the consequences of that would be a lawsuit. I think they'd go missing and would only be "found" as a mutilated corpse to send a message to anyone else who might have similar ideas. Or, if they are feeling bold enough, they might even do it officially.
Yeah, as brazen as they are, I don't think they're murdering American citizens for breach of contract. Regardless of what they said, it would be an incredibly hostile act towards the US and would lead to sanctions at best.
And I question whether it would even lead to real problems with the current admin or if he'd just call it a good idea on social media and applaud them for dealing with someone for saying such nasty things about them. And unleash riot forces on protestors (or just use it as an excuse to try to ramp things up more).
chapelles reason was pretty obvious, hes a transphobe, that was mad when he cant say transphobic jokes, and SA allows him to be transphobic as much as he wants.
Comedians understanding that they're less significant of a form of free speech to society than a free and independent press is basically impossible for some reason.
"...He did not address the criticism directly, but he did suggest he was happy to forget 9/11 for the right price: “I just know I get the routing, and then I see the number, and I go, ‘I’ll go.’” "
Apparently $375,000 is enough for Pete Davidson to piss on his fathers memory
I guess for most people it would be. Certainly I’d be like “sorry dad but I can buy a house an have my future be much more secure” if my kid did the same I’d like to think I’d understand as well…but this is for normal people. To these very well known and well off comedians is 375k that much? It’s like the equivalent of me getting like 5k which I’m not sure I would betray my morals for. Having said that nobody’s offering me 5k to!
It's a bit weird to me how hyperfocused gamers are on Saudi Arabia. No, they do not own EA, it's a joint venture between two other US investment firms;
Silver Lake Partners: A private equity firm focused on technology and media investments. Silver Lake is also part of the new Oracle-led joint venture set to take on management of TikTok's U.S. operations.
Affinity Partners: Led by Jared Kushner, President Donald Trump’s son-in-law, the firm is a participant in the buyout.
Why not focus on weirdly rich Trump's son-in-law? Knowing it's family, the thought of Trump family owning EA sounds worse than Saudi Arabia fund.
Do you KNOW what your country does to death row prisoners??? Do you know you often have the highest incarceration rate in the world??? And that's just the old shit that everyone already accepts, there is a LOT of REALLY BAD SHIT going down in your country's name right now; you got no place to be throwing stones from.
Capital punishment in Uruguay was abolished from the legal system in 1907 by Law N° 3238, passed during the government of president Claudio Williman, and later removed from the constitutional system in 1918. The death penalty had been expressly established by Uruguayan Constitution of 1830.
Oh. He got popular because Lorne Michael likes him. I think Lorne just enjoyed the fact his dad died during 9/11 so people had to like him or else they weren't patriotic. I have no clue how he pulls the girls he pulls though.
Extremely disgusting. I already found most of these people uncool and unfunny but I thought Bill Burr was at least alright (still didn't think he was funny, but he at least seemed to have sane political views - guess not). The only way any of them can make this a respectable choice is if they're doing it Trojan Horse style, and they're planning to tell a bunch of jokes shitting on Saudi Arabia and calling them out for their infinity of evil acts. Not getting my hopes up for that, though.
The Guardian remains respectable and has not pulled punches in this article at least.
“One reporter was killed by the government – unfortunate, but not a fucking hill that I’m gonna die on,” Jim Jefferies said on Theo Von’s podcast in August, arguing it is for the greater good that “freedom-of-speech machines” such as himself bestow their “edgy” material on the kingdom and its subjects. (Since making the comments, Jefferies has since disappeared from the festival’s lineup; his representatives did not respond to inquiries about this.)
lol
How high is that number? According to Dillon, pretty high: in the same podcast that got him fired, he said the organizers offered him $375,000 and claimed that some comedians were offered millions. Gillis did not reveal how much the organizers offered him, but he did say that when he initially refused, they “doubled the bag”. Tough news for Dillon, who elsewhere claimed he asked for $500,000 but had to settle for less.
[Nimesh Patel] suggested that he could make up for the loss by performing “40 shows … here in the perfectly clean, moral, above-everyone-else United States of America.”
Would be funny if any of these comedians accepted but did a shit job on purpose to get booed off stage, then just explained that stunt as "giving their money's worth"
So che forse non dovrei farmi questo tipo di domande, perché con Nintendo da un lato è inutile, e dall’altro è pericoloso, lo sappiamo, la mafia, i ninja, wewe tu devi solo aggiocare non sia mai che ti preoccupi di qualcosa… però, dall’altra sera questa cosa non la riesco a mandare giù. Per quale cavolo […]
niente gaming attraverso nintendo se si sta senza la u (non si può giocare quasi a niente su WiiU senza Gamepad)
So che forse non dovrei farmi questo tipo di domande, perché con Nintendo da un lato è inutile, e dall’altro è pericoloso, lo sappiamo, la mafia, i ninja, wewe tu devi solo aggiocare non sia mai che ti preoccupi di qualcosa… però, dall’altra sera questa cosa non la riesco a mandare giù. Per quale cavolo di motivo su Wii U, se non si vuole usare il Gamepad, si può praticamente fare appena un decimo del gaming altrimenti possibile, a giudicare a occhio? 😐
Putiamo il caso, giusto per fare un esempio, che voi siate me… ok, no, non serve andare così in là. Putiamo magari il caso che il Gamepad sia scarico — situazione plausibile, visto che tutti i controller Nintendo wireless drenano malamente da spenti se hanno batterie collegate, e con il Gamepad una carica dura poco gaming, quindi in pochi anni la batteria si degrada parecchio con questo giochetto di scarica e ricarica, finendo per durare sempre di meno — e non si voglia sclerare per ricaricarlo in quel momento. Oppure, ancora, magari si vorrebbe giocare con un comando più compatto e leggero in quel momento, per comodità o quel che è… ma no. 🥱
Oh, io posso accettare che non si possano usare le impostazioni della console, o il browser web, o il che cavolo ne so, senza il Gamepad (nonostante non ci sia alcuna ragione tecnica per cui quei malati di Nintendo non potessero implementare il supporto completo a qualsiasi controller nelle app e nei menu…), ma il punto è che un sacco di giochi sono completamente inagibili! E non solo quei giochi gnammy basati interamente attorno al Gamepad, come per esempio Nintendo Land (che io possiedo in copia fisica, supergnammy), ma anche altri che proprio non capisco perché siano in questa situazione.🎳
Non posso dare troppi esempi specifici, perché non ho provato ogni singolo gioco immaginabile, bensì ho provato giusto ad aprire vari titoli alla bene e meglio, ma di cose assurde ce n’è una varietà infinita. Molti giochi che semplicemente non partono proprio senza il Gamepad collegato, facendo comparire un popup nel menu home… altri che si avviano, ma subito chiedono che sia collegato il Gamepad; giusto qualcuno concede almeno il Pro Controller, ma il Wiimote quasi mai… e altri ancora, principalmente quelli di terze parti (ma non solo eh, anche Nintendo ha cagato qui), che sembrano partire normalmente, ma poi non rispondono a nessun comando; di nuovo, almeno non con i Wiimote, al massimo con il Pro Controller. Poteva andare anche peggio di così, a pensarci, eh… ma ciò non significa che la situazione non sia brutta. 😾 La cosa veramente peggiore poi è che, quando una app finisce in questo stato per cui internamente, e non al menu home, chiede che il Gamepad sia collegato per proseguire, oppure semplicemente non dice niente, i controller alternativi non supportati sono spesso disconnessi e non si ricollegano più… quindi, in tal caso, l’unico modo per chiudere cosa si è avviato è spegnere la console col tastino, da vicino (o, se, come nel mio caso, il tastino è stronzino, scollegare e riattaccare il cavo di alimentazione… sigh). Se invece il controller non supportato è il Wiimote, e rimane collegato, collegando il Pro Controller ovviamente questo finirà come G2… ma diversi giochi così non lo leggono, quindi va pure cambiato a mano l’ordine. C’è da impazzire nello sperare di semplicemente giocare alla mordi e fuggi, insomma!!! ☠️
I giochi ufficiali che ho visto sicuramente funzionare almeno col solo Wiimote, per ora, sono meno di 10… wow, che palle. Li metto qui, assieme ad un’altra lista che ho trovato, ed eventualmente quelli che non funzionano che ugualmente segnerò, poi, se non mi secco: memos.octt.eu.org/m/eBqVHkeFgE…. Poi, a intuito, credo ci siano i giochi Virtual Console NES che funzionano, ma non ne ho nessuno, mentre SNES e GBA vogliono almeno il Pro Controller, e quelli DS il Gamepad; e i giochi originali Wii ovviamente fanno testo a parte. 🔪
Vabbè, basta: a questo punto non si gioca, si rotta. Anche perché poi al Wii U piace in generale dare comunque sempre le sue rogne che rubano tempo e fanno incazzare, come tutti i freeze e i softlock che a caso capitano per via di glitch software (anche su console non moddate, figurarsi), e non c’è niente da fare. (Però… semmai questo rottame non mi muore, ed eventualmente non muore neanche il vostro, ricordo che qui ci sono i miei codici amico per fare il gaming attraverso la rete… magari è meno miserabile.) 💥
I've done a little research but curious about first hand experience.
I've got a little home server that is full disk encrypted with LUKS (+LVM, of course). It's headless (no display, no keyboard, etc) and just lives attached to the back of my desk, out of the way.
If it gets rebooted due to a power outage, I can plug in a keyboard, wait long enough for it to get to the LUKS password prompt, enter password, hit enter, and assume it worked if I see the disk activity light blinking. Worst case scenario, I can move it to a monitor and plug it in to get display too.
Because lazy, I'd prefer to be able to enter the decrypt password remotely. "Dropbear" seems to be a common suggestion but I haven't tried it yet.
So, asking for your experience or recommendations.
I'll start. Recommendation #1 - get a UPS : D ... But besides that.
Addendum: either way, I currently need to be home to do this because I access it remotely via tailscale along with my desktop. Since both are full disk encrypted, neither will boot to the point of starting tailscale without intervention. But, I might repurpose a nonencrypted RPi with SSHd to act as a "auto restarts with tailscale so I can SSH to it, then SSH to server to enter the LUKS password" jump point.
I wouldn't recommend it due to complexity, but clevis is a thing. It permits a machine to automatically unlock on boot when various environment conditions are met.
I have it setup on a server running Fedora and can’t complain. When the system reboots and plymouth shows the LUKS password prompt a ssh server is started in the background as well - so I can unlock the server either using keyboard or connect via SSH. When rebuilding the initramfs (eg. for a new kernel version) the ssh server is installed and setup automatically so I don’t really have to worry about anything after the initial setup.
+1 for Clevis. I’ve been using it on my laptop for a year and it works like a charm. Sometimes, you need to update bindings after kernel updates, but it’s overall quite smooth.
If I'm reading the docs correctly, Clevis can rely on a separate Tang server for retrieving the decryption key, right? So in that scenario I'd need to have another machine for Tang that can also auto-boot without entering a boot/LUKS password. Otherwise, if both machines (server+clevis and Tang server) were in the same room and restarted due to power loss, neither would be able to boot if both were encrypted... or did I misunderstand something important?
And I don't think I actually want "automatic" unlocking. I just want to be perform the unlock (enter LUKS password) remotely. I realize that comes with manual intervention (entering the password remotely) but I'm okay with that. I should probably have clarified that by "home server" I mean a machine the serves nice to have stuff, nothing mission critical. Plus I'm really the only one who uses it currently so I'll notice it's down when something doesn't work and can then initiate the remote unlock/boot : D
Clevis is interesting but I don't think it matches my specific situation. Glad I know about it now though, thanks for the info.
Same boat. I'm currently testing some unlock stuff out. I just got USB unlocks to work for Debian by following this: tqdev.com/2022-luks-with-usb-u…
I load a USB with a keyfile, then read the keyfile during boot. If I don't have the USB plugged in, I fallback to entering a passphrase. I have multiple LUKS encrypted disks and I don't want to type out a long passphrase a bunch of times.
I briefly encountered dropbear during my research... but ended up following the USB path because it kinda seemed a little easier to setup. 🤷
Anyone have any thoughts on USB vs dropbear unlocks?
I feel that using full disk encryption of laptops is a must. Not to protect against attacks with physical access (to the unencrypted boot loader or unprotected BIOS), but to avoid leaking data when the laptop is either lost or stolen.
I'd imagine that if you have physical access and don't mind plugging in a USB then that's the easier route.
My personal goal is to be able to unlock it remotely in two main scenarios : 1. I'm lazy and don't want to have to awkwardly fumble at plugging in something. So, SSH to it from the same room and unlock it from my desktop. 2. Server got rebooted while I'm away from home but I would really like it to be up and running again for something I need but I don't have physical access at the time.
Both of those situations lean towards a remote unlock with no USB. The first one is absolutely doable because I have local access and could plug a device in, it's just awkward. On the second, physical access is impossible so it must be done remotely.
I mentioned it in another comment but the remote unlock while away from home presents extra challenges for me because I access my server externally via Tailscale. Since Tailscale isn't available at boot (pre-decrypt), then I'll have to tailnet+ssh to another machine on the LAN (that doesn't require a boot password/unlock) and then SSH from that machine to the server to enter the LUKS password to allow boot to continue. Sounds feasible, though perhaps a little clunky. That's my current plan and hoping to try it out this weekend if time permits.
Ah, nice ok. Your post got me to look at dropbear a little more closely, but since I got a bunch of disks, I think USB unlock makes more sense in my setup. I'm using a keyfile on the USB to unlock a bunch of disks on boot. But if I only had one, then dropbear would be more doable for me.
This is interesting, another one I hadn't heard of yet. And, the server is running Debian : )
I enjoy the intro too :
You know how it is. You’ve heard of it happening. The Man comes and takes away your servers, your friends’ servers, the servers of everybody in the same hosting facility. The servers of their neighbors, and their neighbors’ friends. The servers of people who owe them money. And like that, they’re gone. And you doubt you’ll ever see them again. That is why your servers have encrypted root file systems
I've recently upgraded my hard drives used for storage. and because I ain't made of money, I wanted to sell the old drives. shredding those things took ages (4 TB drives). lesson learned, new drives are btrfs + LUKS that gets unlocked via key file. so when the time comes to sell those, I won't bother with shredding, just sell them as is.
In addition to drives being safer to replace and sell, encryption at rest should also protect against theft. So the scenario being someone taking the server or its drives. At least for me encrypting the drives gives a bit more peace of mind seeing as credentials for various accounts aren’t easily retrieved from the disks.
But yeah, this does not protect from data being read at runtime
Exactly this. The chances of my server/drives getting stolen is extremely low but I like to take all the precautions I can even if it's just an exercise in "I can, so I will". That and the "peace of mind" you mentioned.
Yes it's not too much bother to set this up, it can be put into ansible and once working I've not had to touch it again. Here's another dracut tool using dropbear that works well and has decent instructions on setup: dracut-crypt-ssh
The crypt-ssh dracut module allows remote unlocking of systems with full disk encryption via ssh
dracut initramfs module to start dropbear sshd during boot to unlock the root filesystem with the (cryptsetup) LUKS passphrase remotely - dracut-crypt-ssh/dracut-crypt-ssh
Interesting, I want to try some of these solutions.
I set up luks on some of my selfhosted virtualbox instances to protect against physical theft, but power issues cause all too frequent restarts that are a serious pain to physically access.
An ssh call in a script that could be remotely used to unlock and complete the boot would be so handy.
I use dropbear in initramfs on my Debian server. Works great.
At home I have a cheap networked KVM because I also sometimes have hardware problems preventing a boot. Works really well. Cost 100 € and uses open source software. It's called GL.iNet KVM.
Good to hear. This will be going on a Debian server too.
I just set up tailscale on the RPi that controls my printer so I've got a jump host on the LAN now... Just need to make time to setup dropbear (and keys) on the server.
Hasan (left) and Vaush (right). They are streamers and you kinda have to be terminally online to get the joke. Hasan was recently accused of electrocuting his dog on stream, though without much evidence, and Vaush is allegedly into zoophilia
Hassan? pretty underwhelming, in short, dog is walking around on this treadmill kind of thing, looks to me almost obvious that his dew claw got snagged on it and he yelps, roughly at the same time hassan's hand is out of frame for a few seconds (that some are claiming he is pushing a shock remote).
oh and someone found a 2 year old clip of him saying that his friend gave him a shock collar that is laying around his house but he'd never use.
The dog is a girl, the appears to bend her ankle on the dog bed (it’s a stretchy material, the dog bed is like one of those fancy office chairs’ material) and the yell. Hasan was reaching off frame and that is “evidence” that he “must have” been abusing her with a 10000 volt shock therapy to make her gay or something.
Imagine that we didn’t even needAI to make people believe fake shit with no evidence.
It's kind of depressing to watch so many people just embrace this kind of naked smearing of someone.
I don't know Hasan's work. I know Vaush, and I think he frankly sucks. In either case, I'd rather people just say, 'Fuck that guy, I don't like him as a person' rather than diving into this practice of labeling everyone you don't like as a pedo or some other flavor of sick abusive pervert. It's gross.
My philosophy is that I personally don't know any internet personalities, so can't defend any actions they made unless they are complete lies. When watching the clip, it wasn't clear Hasan didn't shock his dog.
In the video, Hasan yelled at the dog, reached offscreen, the dog yelped, and Hasan didn't go to help.
And I am a Hasanabi fan. I greatly appreciate the work he has done for Palestine, and leftists agenda in the west. There is a universe where Hasan didn't shock his dog, was just annoyed at it, reached offscreen and for a seperate reason (like the dew claw getting caught), the dog yelped. But since none of us know Hasan personally, or privately, we can't tell.
Personally, I lay on the side of not believing it, because although there is evidence that the collar was a shock collar, I have seen streams/clips where Kaya runs around freely, greeting guests etc. Either way I will continue to watch him, because I value his political analysis, but don't freely defend strangers private lives on the internet.
A perfectly reasonable take! I tend to have opinions on public figures because I do think accountability of some kind is more important for them than others. I'm not a fan of 'cancel culture', but the inverse of it, which allows a felon as president, is not desirable either.
Hasan supports the fascist takeover of Ukraine by Putin. He also supports fascist Iran-backed Hamas, the suppressors of Gaza. People like Hasan drag the left movement into the dirt so we will never take off.
At best, he is a grifter that found a profitable influencer nieche, at worst he is a psyop to herd and discredit us.
Also he appears to view himself as his dog's superior instead of his caretaker, which hints at a right-wing world view. Also shock collar user, so he's a tormentor.
I haven't seen any proof he did do it either. If we're weighing the circumstantial evidence available? There's much more pointing towards that dog being treated well than poorly.
I have also seen a lot of proof that there is a targetted smear campaign against him, which leads me to be a lot more critical of all the info presented by both sides.
It's so obvious that the dog was trained with a shock collar that the people pushing the idea have just spent the last few days using a clip with one of Hasans streamer/podcast friends popping his chewing gum into the mic as "proof" he's clicking a button to shock the dog...
For a guy who streams 6+ hours 6 days a week and has done for the entire time he's had the dog.
Almost like the entire thing is hysteria driven by weirdo freaks who have even weirder hate boners and will make things up based on literally nothing other than circumstance.
I've just never enjoyed his content tbh. He also encourages faith in American electoralism to an extent that makes me uncomfortable and participates in drama slop too much for me to enjoy.
I know that last bit may seems strange considering what I have posted but I generally do not directly consume internet drama. I have never seen anything from the channels of either of these people. I just hear about it from other people and go, haha funny.
He is hypocritical, claiming that he wants liberation and rights for all and then continuing to pay people to torture animals to death so he can get a little pleasure from it.
I don't unterstand why people are so hung up on the whole 'did he schock the dog or not' thing when they mostly pay for way worse stuff to be done to animals.
Hasan supports the fascist takeover of Ukraine by Putin. He also supports fascist Iran-backed Hamas, the suppressors of Gaza. People like Hasan drag the left movement into the dirt so we will never take off.
At best, he is a grifter that found a profitable influencer nieche, at worst he is a psyop to herd and discredit us.
Also he appears to view himself as his dog's superior instead of his caretaker, which hints at a right-wing world view. Also shock collar user, so he's a tormentor.
I learned that the guy on the left is Hasan and thr guy on the right is Vaush by the comments. I then spent too long figuring out what the scale was....and it seems to be that there is no difference?
Both people seem to take fine care of their dogs? Fun fact: Abused animals don't crawl into your lap and expose their bellies for affection. That is a sign of mutual trust and companionship.
You know a popular uprising is the real deal when France is evacuating their guy before the people take full control. The president's location is a mystery, his allies are fleeing on private jets, and the army is defecting to join the protesters in the streets. France loses another colony in Africa.
Madagascar’s president Andry Rajoelina has been evacuated from the country by a French military plane as protests and a military mutiny threaten to topple his government, RFI has confirmed.
President Andry Rajoelina ratcheted up tensions in Madagascar Tuesday by dissolving the National Assembly to block a vote to force him out of office as thousands gathered for new protests calling for his resignation.
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Compatibility Report Name of the game with compatibility issues: Warhammer 40000: Darktide Steam AppID of the game: 1361210 System Information GPU: RX 7600 Driver/LLVM version: Mesa 25.2.4 (LLVM 20...
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Rajoelina, 51, was first president from 2009 to 2014 before returning to power in 2023. He was increasingly isolated after losing the support of a key army unit that joined thousands of youths activists known as “Gen Z Madagascar” to protest against corruption and poverty. The movement had earlier turned down an invitation to meet him for dialogue and demanded his resignation.
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Among the demonstrators were soldiers from the elite Capsat unit, which played a major role in the 2009 coup during Rajoelina’s rise to the presidency after mass protests forced his predecessor Marc Ravalomanana out of power.
I believe I read in another article that the soldiers that helped his return to power in 2023 also publicly called to oppose Rajoelina.
I don't really understand how the president was allowed to have dual citizenship. For senior positions in the judiciary/legislative/executive branch, I don't think dual citizenship should be allowed. You can make rare, special exceptions, but not for the presidency (or say the supreme court or party leadership).
Because Madagascar is a former French colony. They also have a conflict over some islands in the Pacific. The article said the former president cut a deal with Macron and was then evacuated, the deal could be about those islands but I doubt the new government would respect it.
He’s a French citizen and is perceived as supporting French interests in this former French colony whereas other presidents tried to move Madagascar in other directions.
Rajoelina took power after a military coup in 2009. He was a radio DJ and mayor of the capital city who encouraged the overthrow of the former president, so him getting overthrown himself is a pretty interesting turn of events.
Oct 13 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump urged Israeli President Isaac Herzog on Monday to pardon Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is on trial for corruption, during an address to the Israeli parliament in Jerusalem.
Netanyahu was indicted in 2019 in three cases, one of which includes receiving almost 700,000 shekels ($210,000) in gifts from businessmen, including champagne and cigars. Israel's President holds a largely ceremonial role but he does have authority to pardon convicted criminal if there are unusual circumstances presented.
"Ok so he's corrupt but he also helped provoke one of the most brutal wars our generation has ever seen and made me look good for threatening to stop supplying them with bombs, so can't you cut him some slack?"
I don't know man, as the president of a state, I think I would be quite offended by even just the notion of interfering with judical matters, but maybe that's just me
Israel relies entirely on American and overall Western money and they're more like a rabid dog on a leash than a state... in the past, there would be more spin around the fact that the American administration uses Israel to wage proxy wars, destabilise and impose themselves in the area but there is no need for masks anymore so it's all just obvious now. 🤷
Oct 13 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump urged Israeli President Isaac Herzog on Monday to pardon Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is on trial for corruption, during an address to the Israeli parliament in Jerusalem.
Netanyahu was indicted in 2019 in three cases, one of which includes receiving almost 700,000 shekels ($210,000) in gifts from businessmen, including champagne and cigars.
Israel's President holds a largely ceremonial role but he does have authority to pardon convicted criminal if there are unusual circumstances presented.
At present, I have limited disk space for my media library, so occasionally I must purge content I've already watched or acquired long ago but never watched. I'm big into letting my winners run, so when choosing which content to purge, I want to just sort by Ratio in qBittorrent and start purging anything older than 30 days that isn't getting uploads. The problem is, more often than not I'm cross seeding the same content across multiple trackers, so although a specific torrent on a specific trackers may be performing poorly, that doesn't mean the same content isn't performing well on another tracker.
I know how to select, right click, and Copy > Name. Is there a way to export the grid view so that I can do some data manipulation in LibreCalc?
I've searched and stumbled upon this thread from over a year ago where it appears the OP is attempting something similar. I don't mind getting my hands dirty with the web UI and/or the API, but since I'm not a developer, I thought I'd check w/ the community before I go that route. Also, one of the commenters in the other thread that I linked mentions parsing the save data directly - are they talking about parsing the fastresume files or something else? Thanks!
This is not what you asked for specifically but check out tqm github.com/autobrr/tqm it does everything you want automatically. It takes a bit of fine tuning but it can handle a lot of scenarios.
Never needed to use this but have seen that tools like github.com/fedarovich/qbittorr… are able to export lists of loaded torrents in various formats, it might do what you want.
e.g. if you're going to load the output in LibreCalc then you probably want to export a list in csv format most likely (the project's wiki mentions it github.com/fedarovich/qbittorr…).
so when choosing which content to purge, I want to just sort by Ratio in qBittorrent and start purging anything older than 30 days that isn’t getting uploads. The problem is, more often than not I’m cross seeding the same content across multiple trackers, so although a specific torrent on a specific trackers may be performing poorly, that doesn’t mean the same content isn’t performing well on another tracker.
Something to consider for the future, you could re-work how you are storing your torrent data and hardlink all those cross-seeding torrents in their own folders. So if you do a full delete of one torrent + data it won't actually affect the torrent + data of other torrents. If you have it split out like that then you could even try to automate the whole process of deleting old torrents with tools like github.com/Hundter/qBittorrent… or github.com/Mythic82/Qbittorren…
Would hardlink the same torrent data in two places so that torrents for trackera can point to the trackera folder and torrents for trackerb can point to the trackerb folder.
Thanks for the idea about exporting torrent data using the CLI - I'll look into that.
Re: linking, I currently use sym links to avoid duplicating storage across multiple trackers. My main reason for sym links is so I can link across different devices (my understanding is hard links are limited to the same device). Hard link or sym link aside, the problem is for a given torrent, I don't want to delete it from any trackers if it's performing on at least one of them. My thought process is if I'm keeping the content around for even just one of my trackers, I may as well keep cross seeding it, if for no other reason than to earn that sweet bon. The hard part is identifying which torrents are performing poorly across all trackers. If I can get the data into CSV format, then I think I can massage it well enough to tell which (poorly performing) torrents can be safely purged from all trackers.
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Nobel Peace Prize laureate María Corina Machado is a far-right Venezuelan coup-plotter funded by the US government. She supports Israel as it commits genocide and is key to Trump's regime-change war.
Given the state of Venezuela's economy I find is highly implausible that Maduro could've actually won. This isn't to support invasion or Machado, just realistically speaking there's no way the voters agreed to more Maduro.
I don't think even 5% of Venezuela's economic issues derive from Maduro's government. Not that I like him particularly. We severely underestimate -or pretty much ignore- the actual implications of being subjected to the sanctions and isolation Venezuela has been. And the huge social fracture derived primarily from the middle to upper class being annoyed at having to redistribute wealth for decades ain't helping. I know this first-hand and the insolidarity, entitlement and neoliberal kool-aid drinking from that part of Venezuelan society is a fucking bleak reality.
Daily reminder that the Nobel Prize was (still is) purely a marketing move to scrub the reputation of the Merchant of Death, Alfred Nobel. Because he got butthurt that the newspapers had the audacity to shed light on the truth about his horrible legacy.
The first Nobel Peace Prize went to the woman he had a crush on and never got over even decades after she dumped his explosive peddling ass.
Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) said Monday the government shutdown is on its way to being one of the longest in history unless Democrats accept the House-passed, GOP-crafted stopgap bill to reopen the government.
“We’re barreling toward one of the longest shutdowns in American history, unless Democrats dropped their partisan demands and passed a clean, no-strings-attached budget to reopen the government and pay our federal workers,” Johnson said in a press conference on the 13th day of the government shutdown.
Congressional leaders have been locked in a standoff over government funding as Democrats demand that Republicans make concessions on health care, notably Affordable Care Act tax credits that are expiring at the end of the year. Republican leaders have refused to negotiate on health care during a shutdown, arguing that that Democrats must accept the “clean” funding stopgap the House passed in September — and which has failed to advance in the Senate seven times.
Veterans are facing federal charges after protesting Ice sweeps and Trump’s national guard deployments. The justice department claims the veterans were violent
An AI bubble requires actual AI capabilities to be built and to fail to be called that. A stock trading scam on AI stocks is just a stock trading scam.
36GW is 36 times current US corporate owned AI datacenter capacity. All of it made at TSMC which runs full tilt as it is. TSMC's current plans is to 2x (over 3nm today) 2nm node by 2028. 4x by 2031 would still mean 2038ish to satisfy just OpenAI demand.
A big problem with having so many partners that OpenAI has no actual money to pay, is that no one has the confidence to place big TSMC capacity unless they are sure OpenAI actually buy from them, with money they get on time to buy from them. There are definitely consumer AI/gaming capabilities that can have more certain demand than the datacenter impossibilities.
Each additional announcement makes the joke more impossible to believe. CISCO did not do this during 1999 bubble. People just assumed its growth would continue.
Fine, OpenAI revenue growth may reach 3x at end of this year. At losses equal to its revenue number in 2024. OpenAI already has the most expensive models.
Knowing that it's just seven companies propping up the US economy, and the private ones don't have to publicly report if they just lost half a trillion dollars, it gives one pause. I'm definitely reevaluating if and when I want to move my investments to cash.
that is how OpenAI measures all of its deals. the GPU providers DGAF about that measure, and "real deals" will be for x number of gpu's instead. OpenAI PR make stonk go up, is vagueness everyone else seems to enjoy. It makes 0 sense in any deals these companies can make. It just scares the rest of us for how much the power bill go brrrr.
There was a link in the article about that, it was saying that they are just requiring self reporting, I don't know the political context in California, but it seems like you wouldn't push this and then turn around and try the id thing, but I am by no means an expert at predicting the idiocracy of politicians.
Probably will get it anyway, companies don't like to build and maintain software for two different markets so they tend to just follow the regulations of the strictest market, especially if those regulations don't really cut into there bottom line like this one.
When I read that shit as a kid, I thought Asimov's laws of robotics were like natural laws, so that it was just naturally impossible for robots to behave otherwise. That never made any sense to me so I thought Asimov was just full of shit.
Actually seems easier (probably not at the state level) to mandate cameras and such digitally sign any media they create. No signature or verification, no trust.
And the people that are going to check for a digital signature in the first place, THEN check that the signature emanates from a trusted key, then, eventually, check who's deciding the list of trusted keys… those people, where are they?
Because the lack of trust, validation, verification, and more generally the lack of any credibility hasn't stopped anything from spreading like a dumpster fire in a field full of dumpsters doused in gasoline. Part of my job is providing digital signature tools and creating "trusted" data (I'm not in sales, obviously), and the main issue is that nobody checks anything, even when faced with liability, even when they actually pay for an off the shelve solution to do so. And I'm talking about people that should care, not even the general public.
There are a lot of steps before "digitally signing everything" even get on people's radar. For now, a green checkmark anywhere is enough to convince anyone, sadly.
It could be a feature of web browsers. Images would get some icon indicating the valid signature, just like browsers already show the padlock icon indicating a valid certificate. So everybody would be seeing the verification.
But I don't think it's a good idea, for other reasons.
An individual wouldn't verify this but enough independent agencies or news orgs would probably care enough to verify a photo. For the vast majority we're already too far gone to properly separate fiction an reality. If we can't get into a courtroom and prove that a picture or video is fact or fiction then we're REALLY fucked.
I get what you're going for but this would absolutely wreck privacy. And depending on how those signatures are created, someone could create a virtual camera that would sign images and then we would be back to square one.
Privacy concern for sure, but given that you can already tie different photos back to the same phone from lens artifacts, I don't think this is going to make things much worse than they already are.
someone could create a virtual camera that would sign images
Anyone who produces cameras can publish a list of valid keys associated with their camera. If you trust the manufacturer, then you also trust their keys. If there's no trusted source for the keys, then you don't trust the signature.
The problem is that "AI" doesn't actually exist. For example, Photoshop has features that are called "AI". Should every designer be forced to label their work if they use some "AI" tool.
This is a problem with making violent laws based on meaningless language.
This sounds about as useful as the California law that tells ICE they aren’t allowed to cover their face, or the California law that tells anyone selling anything ever that they have to tell you it will give you cancer. Performative laws are what we’re best at here in California.
Has anyone been able to find the text of the law, the article didn't mention the penalties, I want to know if this actually means anything.
Edit: I found a website that says the penalty follows 5000*sum(n+k) where n is number of days since first infraction, this has a closed form of n^2+n= (7500^-1)y where y is the total compounded fee. This makes it cost 1mil in 11 days and 1bil in a year.
Yeah, this is an important point. If the penalty is too small, AI companies will just consider it a cost of doing business. Flat-rate fines only being penalties for the poor, and all that.
How do you figure, I haven't seen the actual text, is it written ambiguously? If not, I would imagine that they be able to enforce it, the only thing is the scope is very small.
Okay, but when can the law straight up ban companies who don't comply with the law from operating in the state instead of just slapping them on the wrist and telling them "no" the same way a pushover parent tells their child "no". Especially after they just ignore the law.
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My LinkedIn feed is 80% tech bros complaining about the EU AI Act, not a single one of whom is willing to be drawn on which exact clause it is they don't like.
That’s not actually the case for most companies though. The only time you’d need a full time lawyer on it is if the thing you want to do with AI is horrifically unethical, in which case fuck your little startup.
It’s easy to comply with regulations if you’re already behaving responsibly.
That's true with many regulations. The quiet part that they're trying to avoid saying out loud is that behaving ethically and responsibly doesn't earn them money.
Yes... it's so bad that I just never log in until I receive a DM, and even then I login, check it, if it's useful I warn people I don't use LinkedIn anymore then log out.
Not a terrible resource when you're actually looking for a job. But that's because all the automated HR intakes are a dumpster fire, more than anything headhunters bring in value.
Did you seriously use LinkedIn? I always thougt that it was just narsisitic people posting about themselves never having any real conversations and only adding superficial replies to posts that align 100% with them
If I could delete it without impacting my job or career I would. Sadly they’ve effectively got a monopoly on the online professional networking industry. Cunts
Seems reasonable to me. If you're using AI then you should be required to own up to it. If you're too embarrassed to own up to it, then maybe you shouldn't be using it.
Prosecution: "Your Honor, the definition of artificial is 'made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally,' and as all human beings are themselves produced by human beings, we are definitionally artificial. Therefore, the actions of an intelligent human are inherently AI."
Defense: "The defense does not argue this point, as such. However, our client, FOX News, could not be said to be exhibiting 'intelligence.' Artificial they may be, but AI they are clearly not. We rest our case."
IMO if your "A*" style algorithm is used for chatbot or any kind of user interaction or content generation, it should still be explicitly declared.
That being said, there is some nuance here about A) use of Copyrighted material and B) Non-deterministic behaviour. Neither of which is (usually) a concern in more classical non-DL approaches to AI solutions.
Yeah for real, what does this mean exactly? All forms of machine learning? That's a lot of computers at this moment, it's just we only colloquially call the chat bot versions "AI". But even that gets vague do reactive video game NPCs get counted as "AI?" Or all of our search algorithms and spell check programs?
At that point what's the point? The disclosure would become as meaningless as websites asking for cookies or the number of things known to cause cancer in the state of California.
If you ask ChatGPT, it says it's guidelines include not giving the impression it's a human. But if you ask it be less human because it is confusing you, it says that would break the guidelines.
ChatGPT doesn't know its own guidelines because those aren't even included in its training corpus. Never trust an LLM about how it works or how it "thinks" because fundamentally these answers are fake.
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I don't think linking a "China watcher" that exclusively makes videos on how China is going to collapse any minute now going back years is good evidencd.
Kinda? You can find videos of any car catching on fire, what matters is how they compare at a statistical level with their competition to see if they are doing better or worse, not evidence that at minimum failure rates are nonzero. I truly don't trust China Watchers to produce anything meaningful or useful.
Define "plenty." What's the fire rate compared to the total number of BYD cars in existance? How does that compare to Tesla? How's the historical trend, is it going up or down? Are they equally likely to catch fire across the board or are there problematic models or series? Different countries have different automotive regulations and therefore have slightly different cars even if they're the same model, are the fire rates different by country? Are domestic Chinese BYDs more likely to catch fire than cars exported to, say, other Asian countries, Latin America, or Africa?
This is why you don't draw conclusions from how many YouTube videos you can find. When there are billions of any product there will inevitably be tons of videos of it going wrong which doesn't inherently tell you whether it's actually likely to happen or not. If that was an acceptable statistical analysis method, then I can binge watch the hundreds of thousands of aviation accident videos and conclude that literally all planes do is crash.
Tesla stock price has always been valued on "Next Big Thing". Its robotaxi/fsd is falling flat so far. But robotics is new NBT. With 85% of robots sold in China, and massive manufacturing market share that is still growing, future robot sales will still take place there, and Chinese companies are already well ahead in humanoid and other robotics.
Also their gimmick, robot soccer and robot olympics events, even if not incredibly impressive, is a mass student training program in robotics future that just doesn't exist in the west. China's future robot dominance is completely assured because they care about making it happen. Tesla has 0 chance of success, and for a market, requires giving Tesla US monopoly on overpriced robots.
A better world is possible. Capitalism in the modern age is dying imperialism. Western supremacy is built on the backs of the global south, not any intrinsic superiority of capitalism to produce good results but for its systemic drive for plunder. Socialism, where humanity takes the reigns of how we produce and distribute away from the profit motive, is the way forward. If you want a place to start with theory, I made an introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list, feel free to give it a look!
It's time to read theory, comrades! As Lenin says, "Despair is typical of those who do not understand the causes of evil, see no way out, and are incapable of struggle." Reading theory helps us identify the core contradictions within modern society, analyze their trajectories, and gives us the tools to break free. Marxism-Leninism is broken into 3 major components, as noted by Lenin in his pamphlet The Three Sources and Three Component Parts of Marxism: | Audiobook
Dialectical and Historical Materialism
Critique of Capitalism along the lines of Marx's Law of Value
Advocacy for Revolutionary and Scientific Socialism
As such, I created the following list to take you from no knowledge whatsoever of Leftist theory, and leave you with a strong understanding of the critical fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism in an order that builds up as you read. Let's get started!
Section I: Getting Started
What the heck is Communism, anyways? For that matter, what is fascism?
Breaks down fascism and its mortal enemy, Communism, as well as their antagonistic relationship. Understanding what fascism is, where and when it rises, why it does so, and how to banish it forever is critical. Parenti also helps debunk common anti-Communist myths, from both the "left" and the right, in a quick-witted writing style. This is also an excellent time to watch the famous speech.
Section II: Historical and Dialectical Materialism
By far my favorite primer on Marxist philosophy. By understanding Dialectical and Historical Materialism first, you make it easier to understand the rest of Marxism-Leninism. Don't be intimidated!
Further reading on Dialectical and Historical Materialism, but crucially introduces the why of Scientific Socialism, explaining how Capitalism itself prepares the conditions for public ownership and planning by centralizing itself into monopolist syndicates. This is also where Engels talks about the failures of previous "Utopian" Socialists.
Section III: Political Economy
That's right, it's time for the Law of Value and a deep-dive into Imperialism. If we are to defeat Capitalism, we must learn it's mechanisms, tendencies, contradictions, and laws.
Best taken as a pair, these essays simplify the most important parts of the Law of Value. Marx is targetting those not trained in economics here, but you might want to keep a pen and some paper to follow along if you are a visual person.
Absolutely crucial and the most important work for understanding the modern era and its primary contradictions. Marxist-Leninists understand that Imperialism is the greatest contradiction in the modern era, which cascades downward into all manner of related contradictions. Knowing what dying Capitalism looks like, and how it behaves, means we can kill it.
Section IV: Revolutionary and Scientific Socialism
Can we defeat Capitalism at the ballot box? What about just defeating fascism? What about the role of the state?
If Marxists believed reforming Capitalist society was possible, we would be the first in line for it. Sadly, it isn't possible, which Luxemburg proves in this monumental writing.
Excellent refutation of revisionists and Social Democrats who think the State can be reformed, without needing to be replaced with one that is run by the workers, in their own interests.
Section V: Intersectionality and Solidarity
The revolution will not be fought by atomized individuals, but by an intersectional, international working class movement. Intersectionality is critical, because it allows different marginalized groups to work together in collective interest, unifying into a broad movement.
Critical reading on understanding misogyny, transphobia, enbyphobia, pluralphobia, and homophobia, as well as how to move beyond the base subject of "gender." Uses the foundations built up in the previous works to analyze gender theory from a Historical Materialist perspective.
De-colonialism is essential to Marxism. Without having a strong, de-colonial, internationalist stance, we have no path to victory nor a path to justice. Fanon analyzes Colonialism's dehumanizing effects, and lays out how to form a de-colonial movement, as well as its necessity.
Solidarity and intersectionality are the key to any social movement. When different social groups fight for liberation together along intersectional lines, the movements are emboldened and empowered ever-further.
Section VI: Putting it into Practice!
It's not enough to endlessly read, you must put theory to practice. That is how you can improve yourself and the movements you support. Touch grass!
Mao wrote simply and directly, targeting peasant soldiers during the Revolutionary War in China. This pair of essays equip the reader with the ability to apply the analytical tools of Dialectical Materialism to their every day practice, and better understand problems.
Congratulations, you completed your introductory reading course!
With your new understanding and knowledge of Marxism-Leninism, here is a mini What is to be Done? of your own to follow, and take with you as practical advice.
Get organized. Join a Leftist org, find solidarity with fellow comrades, and protect each other. The Dems will not save you, it is up to us to protect ourselves. The Party for Socialism and Liberation and Freedom Road Socialist Organization both organize year round, every year, because the battle for progress is a constant struggle, not a single election. See if there is a chapter near you, or start one! Or, see if there's an org you like more near you and join it.
Read theory. Don't think that you are done now! Just because you have the basics, doesn't mean you know more than you do. If you have not investigated a subject, don't speak on it! Don't speak nonsense, but listen!
Aggressively combat white supremacy, misogyny, queerphobia, and other attacks on marginalized communities. Cede no ground, let nobody be forgotten or left behind. There is strength in numbers, when one marginalized group is targeted, many more are sure to follow.
Be industrious, and self-sufficient. Take up gardening, home repair, tinkering. It is through practice that you elevate your problem-solving capabilities. Not only will you improve your skill at one subject, but your general problem-solving muscles get strengthened as well.
Learn self-defense. Get armed, if practical. Be ready to protect yourself and others. Liberals will not save us, we must save each other.
Be persistent. If you feel like a single water droplet against a mountain, think of canyons and valleys. Oh, how our efforts pile up! With consistency, every rock, boulder, even mountain, can be drilled through with nothing but steady and persistent water droplets.
"Everything under heaven is in utter chaos; the situation is excellent."
Freedom Road Socialist Organization (FRSO) is a national organization of revolutionaries fighting for socialism in the United States. Our home is in the working class.
You think you can just go against decades of propaganda that built their worldview and to which they attach themselves like lifeboats in the raging sea so easily?
The problem I see often is moral "flexibility", and even on Lemmy I see an objectively morally wrong action being praised because it's done by people "on our side"/"who are European as me" and those same users will condemn the same behaviour (usually not even as egregious too, lol) coming from "the other side". Westerners are often too propagandized for us to have productive, informative discussions, and too weak and morally confused to admit they're wrong/X action is simply not good regardless of who's doing it.
Trade numbers confirm that Chinese exports to the United States fell, but jumped globally, as a new 100% tariff threat from US President Donald Trump promises a rocky patch ahead of trade negotiations between the world's two strongest economies.
Want to wade into the sandy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.
Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.
If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.
The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
And in related news, worldwide ecosystems are already getting perma-fucked by billionaires' repeated and relentless wrecking of our planet for personal gain.
I mention billionaires specifically because the average Joe, the 99% of humanity being told to cut down their carbon footprint and delete emails to save water, is completely fucking blameless in this.
They didn't choose to have car-centric architecture forced on them for the past goddamn century, they didn't choose to have planet-wrecking crypto farms/NFTs forced on them a few years ago, and they sure as hell didn't choose to have planet-killing AI slop extruders forced on them, either.
(Anyways, unrelated hot take of the day: taking responsibility for something you're not responsible for is a moral failing, and needs to be treated as such)
Researchers in Leeds have joined experts from across the world in warning that Earth is reaching the first of many climate tipping points that will cause catastrophic harm without urgent action.
Happy that we graduated from making military decisions based on what the Oracle of Delphi hallucinated to making military decisions based on what Oracle® DelPhi® Enterprise hallucinated
Reacting to J.D. Vance’s abruptly aborted appearance on ABC on Sunday, former GOP campaign adviser Rick Wilson ridiculed the vice president's latest “embarrassing” stab at getting out of Donald Trump’s shadow and casting himself as the MAGA heir appa…
Edit: So one is definitely going to be the Proselytizer Library Stick (OK I need a better name for it, fine). Going to test out some Debian options on there, just need to find a nice way to make it a user friendly portable library/reader, so feel free to mention whatever comes to mind there as well.
But I have more of these little suckers, so thats just one for now.
So I've got a few Intel compute sticks sitting on my desk here, and I don't know what I want to do with them (aside from throw them out, I'd rather find some value in them if I can).
They are STK1AW32SC, which have the atom x5-Z8330 chips, with a whopping 2gb ram, 32gb emmc, and a microsd slot.
A few things I've considered: - Take a few LCDs and the drivers and make a "household front end", basically just point to my locally hosted services (mealie for recipes, hass, etc) - Same thing but make it a digital picture frame - Compute to point to a magic mirror instance - Try out how terrible emulation is on them to make a little game console for the kids thats standalone? They already can use the living room one for that, which is a usff box with a lot more power. So probably not. - Automatically boots to rick roll to stick in TVs at my BILs house and drive him nuts?
Open to ideas! I've got tons of machines here, so I really don't need them to do anything - which means the silly and borderline stupid (see rick roll note above) are perfectly acceptable ideas.
Lakka is a lightweight Linux distribution based on RetroArch that transforms a small computer like a Raspberry Pi into a full blown retrogaming console.
If I think about it as a travel console for retro gaming, that actually feels mildly useful. Maybe I keep it to NES/Genesis era, and a couple of cheapie controllers? That could be fun
I mostly just like to avoid the landfill if it can be avoided, now to find something to do with the other ones that have been sitting in the bin for a while...
They used to do digital signage work, but they've long since been replaced in my lab use, thus the issue with what to do with them now 😀
How much storage does it have? Google search indicates it may just be 32GB. With a small distro, you just maybe just barely fit text only Wikipedia on there with Kiwix (or whatever the Wikipedia archive reader is called.)
Alternatively, you could put some books from Project Gutenberg on there. Throw in some public domain music recordings, a freely available movie or two (like the ones from the blender project), and maybe some light weight open source games... Then, you could have have yourself a portable offline library which could be shared with no legal repercussions.
Its just the 32gb emmc + whatever you shove on an sdxc - technically supports up to 128gb (officially), but by spec its sdxc v3, so untested/unsupported up to 2tb. I've got a bunch of spares at 128gb or less so thats what I'll likely toss in.
I like the idea of a mini library.... but maybe a step further and drop in a front end to navigate books, with a lightweight ebook reader application, and put some anti-capitalist works on there? With a bonus of the AFAQ? Ooh and some anti-fascist materials....
There is a group read of it happening that I am just now realizing I was probably tagged on my db0 account, and I totally forgot about it!
Anyway, I think something with both non-fiction works and fiction with a specific lean would be neat. Everything from The Iron Heel to The Conquest of Bread, a bit of Civil Disobedience by Thoreau, etc.
So just for the record, I think this works quite nicely. Using foliate as the ebook reader, mx linux on the stick, its pretty responsive. I think I can trim it down further (maybe I'll go full custom build if I have the time), but its pretty good to go right now.
One thing I was thinking about doing, since its OPDS friendly, is setting up a custom catalog to be available publicly that it can access, for ease of adding new books. I'm also going to grab and load a bunch locally, I have some on my library server right now, but I'll probably focus and expand the collection a bit for this.
Maybe something with sections for economics, the environment, anti-imperialism, social progressivism, etc.
I also really like the idea of incorporating some of the piefed rational discourse kit (maybe including some videos in a different section, or links to a wiki? Not sure yet.).
Well that part it looks like will be a project unto itself, but either way - the anti-fascist proselytizer stick has a start!
Get a distro running XFCE, slap the Chicago95 theme on it, and try to convince your friends that their computer updated to the latest version of Windows.
A rendition of everyone's favorite 1995 Microsoft operating system for Linux. - GitHub - grassmunk/Chicago95: A rendition of everyone's favorite 1995 Microsoft operating system for Linux.
About all they're good for is signage and maybe assist tasks with HA. You won't be able to drive a decent enough display to do normal desktop things for certain. Maybe use them as little seed devices or something.
Nah, they can definitely do a decent display, I've had a desktop running a stupidly fat web app (not mine) on those with 1440p at 60hz. And that stupid thing needed windows, which was even worse. Trying to do a second thing with windows + that stupid app? Waste of time, not going to happen, but the main app ran just fine as bloat on top of bloat.
But light desktop stuff they can do just fine, however that isn't what I want. A few ideas from the original: - Portable library (definitely going to happen, I'm installing now and going to build Bookworm on it) - Portable (not mobile) emulation station, may happen, toss some NES and Genesis games on it. May try that out tonight after the library build. - (not from the other thread) Portable kid distraction (basically boot to gcompris) - maybe, I'll have to see how well that works. Should only need opengl 2.1, but I think that chip supports 4.something, so should be good.
You must be mistaken. The sticks you mention have max out at 1080p, and with 2GB of mem, you're not going to be running any desktop for very long. The Atom chips and the memory limitations just don't make these useful candidates for anything with a DE.
The x5-Z8330 has 800 passmark points which is enough to run Arch with XFce without issues. 2 GB of RAM though is the sticky point. It is problematic with Debian/Mint as they consume about 800 MBs of RAM on a cold boot (don't even think of Fedora or Ubuntu that are dogs when it comes to RAM usage), but on Arch you can configure it to consume only 450 MB of RAM: files.mastodon.social/media_at… (here's my Arch/XFce with a BeOS theme using 585 MB of RAM with 3 apps open). That's a life saver on a 2 GB of RAM computer, because Youtube alone on Chrome can use up to 800 MB of RAM, while on Firefox goes up to 1.1 GB. Consider that 128 MB of RAM also goes to the integrated graphics card. But with other websites, or with a third party youtube front-end, or other apps, 2 GB can be enough (just make sure you give it a 4 GB swap file -- not zswap). Finally, make sure you use only a background color, not an image. Images, uncompressed in RAM, can use up to 80 MB of RAM if they are in high-res. A plain color takes kilobytes! Also, disable the BT service and any other service you don't use via XFce's startup utility. That one takes 45 MB alone, it's a dog... Load it only when you need it.
Running a 32 bit os might net you better idle. I run 32 bit debian on an ancient laptop and my idle is a bit lower, 300-400 mb. I'm also using openbox.
I run Volumio on one that's connected to my AV receiver. It integerates well into Home Assistant and can be used to listen to webradio and music streaming services (including your own). It can also play from its own storage.
I am actually quite impressed with mxlinux on there!
Edit: Oh, for the record the little hdmi extension cable (~6" or so) is super handy and what he was missing when he had it plugged into the back of that monitor. I might stick it into a video switch though.
I just bought one to use as a Magic Mirror dashboard. I can't think of any other real use for them other than as dashboards.
I like the Volumio idea though. You can set up a Music Assistant container and get a whole home audio setup without having to run a bunch of speaker wire. At my old place I had an Apple TV airplay movie audio into the kitchen so you wouldn't miss any dialogue while you ran into the kitchen.
Edit: Really specific hypothetical. If they're powerful enough to run Kodi, and you have a travel homelab with Jellyfin/Plex, I wonder if they could serve as a travel streaming stick 🤔
I always thought they were a cool idea, but never bought one. Idea-wise, IDK, use them for cluster-computing? I considered getting one as a retro gaming arcade...so maybe that?
Retro gaming I think is going to be good for one, cluster-wise I'd be better off with the old pi 3bs I have... somewhere.... I think in with the microcontroller bin (amidst of a pile of esp32s).
I've got a USB gamepad I picked up when radio shack was closing its stores, I think thats with the old consoles though (everything going back to n64, my NES, Genesis, and PS1 are long gone unfortunately), which is at my BIL's house as he is playing my old Wii and PS2. Which is now making me want to take the of Xbox shell and shove a PC in there for the living room, a good excuse to upgrade the living room PC... But a whole new project at the same time lol
Ah... forgot about them for a while, checking : last update from April "#58 - Dev Kits, Compute Packs, & 2025 Timeline" so in theory now they are on board certification. Good occasion to also check github.com/SimulaVR/Simula/com…
David Ellison, heir to the fortune of his father, Oracle founder Larry Ellison, is said to have been attracted to Weiss and The Free Press specifically for the outlet’s pro-Israel stance. Dylan Byers, who broke news of the FP sale for Puck, reported that Ellison was “smitten by Bari’s unwavering support of Israel and preoccupation with the rise of antisemitism—issues that are as near and dear to David’s father, Larry, as they are to Paramount’s outgoing owner.”
Facing blowback for minimizing the famine in Gaza, The Free Press responded by saying that critics of the article, including Drop Site, are “journalists who oppose actual journalism.”
Weiss added: “You’ll notice one important aspect about the uproar: No one is disputing the facts in our piece.”
Well, we are. The Free Press claims in its investigation to have looked at the cases of 12 Palestinian’s photographs, as well as the child, Muhammad Zakariya Ayyouba Al-Mutawaq who appeared prominently in a New York Times article—and whose story they questioned in a previous Free Press article. Yet instead of reporting on the 12 Palestinians they claimed to have looked into, the article in fact only addresses nine, or arguably ten, an inexplicable discrepancy, and doesn’t provide original reporting on any of the cases.
The Free Press Called Out "Incomplete" Reporting on Gaza's Starving Children. Here's the Complete Story.
Ryan Grim Oct 12, 2025
David Ellison, heir to the fortune of his father, Oracle founder Larry Ellison, is said to have been attracted to Weiss and The Free Press specifically for the outlet’s pro-Israel stance. Dylan Byers, who broke news of the FP sale for Puck, reported that Ellison was “smitten by Bari’s unwavering support of Israel and preoccupation with the rise of antisemitism—issues that are as near and dear to David’s father, Larry, as they are to Paramount’s outgoing owner.”
Facing blowback for minimizing the famine in Gaza, The Free Press responded by saying that critics of the article, including Drop Site, are “journalists who oppose actual journalism.”
Weiss added: “You’ll notice one important aspect about the uproar: No one is disputing the facts in our piece.”
Well, we are. The Free Press claims in its investigation to have looked at the cases of 12 Palestinian’s photographs, as well as the child, Muhammad Zakariya Ayyouba Al-Mutawaq who appeared prominently in a New York Times article—and whose story they questioned in a previous Free Press article. Yet instead of reporting on the 12 Palestinians they claimed to have looked into, the article in fact only addresses nine, or arguably ten, an inexplicable discrepancy, and doesn’t provide original reporting on any of the cases.
David Ellison, heir to the fortune of his father, Oracle founder Larry Ellison, is said to have been attracted to Weiss and The Free Press specifically for the outlet’s pro-Israel stance. Dylan Byers, who broke news of the FP sale for Puck, reported that Ellison was “smitten by Bari’s unwavering support of Israel and preoccupation with the rise of antisemitism—issues that are as near and dear to David’s father, Larry, as they are to Paramount’s outgoing owner.”
Facing blowback for minimizing the famine in Gaza, The Free Press responded by saying that critics of the article, including Drop Site, are “journalists who oppose actual journalism.”
Weiss added: “You’ll notice one important aspect about the uproar: No one is disputing the facts in our piece.”
Well, we are. The Free Press claims in its investigation to have looked at the cases of 12 Palestinian’s photographs, as well as the child, Muhammad Zakariya Ayyouba Al-Mutawaq who appeared prominently in a New York Times article—and whose story they questioned in a previous Free Press article. Yet instead of reporting on the 12 Palestinians they claimed to have looked into, the article in fact only addresses nine, or arguably ten, an inexplicable discrepancy, and doesn’t provide original reporting on any of the cases.
The Free Press Called Out "Incomplete" Reporting on Gaza's Starving Children. Here's the Complete Story.
Ryan Grim Oct 12, 2025
David Ellison, heir to the fortune of his father, Oracle founder Larry Ellison, is said to have been attracted to Weiss and The Free Press specifically for the outlet’s pro-Israel stance. Dylan Byers, who broke news of the FP sale for Puck, reported that Ellison was “smitten by Bari’s unwavering support of Israel and preoccupation with the rise of antisemitism—issues that are as near and dear to David’s father, Larry, as they are to Paramount’s outgoing owner.”
Facing blowback for minimizing the famine in Gaza, The Free Press responded by saying that critics of the article, including Drop Site, are “journalists who oppose actual journalism.”
Weiss added: “You’ll notice one important aspect about the uproar: No one is disputing the facts in our piece.”
Well, we are. The Free Press claims in its investigation to have looked at the cases of 12 Palestinian’s photographs, as well as the child, Muhammad Zakariya Ayyouba Al-Mutawaq who appeared prominently in a New York Times article—and whose story they questioned in a previous Free Press article. Yet instead of reporting on the 12 Palestinians they claimed to have looked into, the article in fact only addresses nine, or arguably ten, an inexplicable discrepancy, and doesn’t provide original reporting on any of the cases.
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David Ellison, heir to the fortune of his father, Oracle founder Larry Ellison, is said to have been attracted to Weiss and The Free Press specifically for the outlet’s pro-Israel stance. Dylan Byers, who broke news of the FP sale for Puck, reported that Ellison was “smitten by Bari’s unwavering support of Israel and preoccupation with the rise of antisemitism—issues that are as near and dear to David’s father, Larry, as they are to Paramount’s outgoing owner.”
Facing blowback for minimizing the famine in Gaza, The Free Press responded by saying that critics of the article, including Drop Site, are “journalists who oppose actual journalism.”
Weiss added: “You’ll notice one important aspect about the uproar: No one is disputing the facts in our piece.”
Well, we are. The Free Press claims in its investigation to have looked at the cases of 12 Palestinian’s photographs, as well as the child, Muhammad Zakariya Ayyouba Al-Mutawaq who appeared prominently in a New York Times article—and whose story they questioned in a previous Free Press article. Yet instead of reporting on the 12 Palestinians they claimed to have looked into, the article in fact only addresses nine, or arguably ten, an inexplicable discrepancy, and doesn’t provide original reporting on any of the cases.
The biggest child abuser in this law is the government. All they are doing is using up all the loop holes in the UNCRC and human rights to manipulate their way into their "ultimate truth".
The corpos and the government lick each others boots - it's a 2-way relationship. They care more about the abusers than the victims in this regard. Children is just a term designed to go against its populace, and more harm being done in the long run.
That could change, but you are probably right. I am the only person I know who thinks it is a civic duty to transition off facist media. Nobody else around me cares. I mean NOBODY. Not even the tech savvy folks I know.
Banning online anonymity tools like Tor won’t stop crime.
Prohibition has never been a deterrent to consumption. Laws and law enforcement do not prevent, they just prosecute. I do come down hard on the parental groups when it comes to the safety, security, and privacy of their children. Mandating laws that dole out heavy fines to parents for their unsupervised children's online and offline activities would seem to me to be a good point to deviate from. However, we legislate to the lowest common denominator, and this gives governments the inroads they crave to keep tabs on their citizenry.
What I would like to hear are some solutions that protect the children, keep the terrorists at bay, and still has room for individual privacy, anonymity, and security. I certainly don't want children to be involved with activities that will harm them. At the same time, I'd rather avoid a buccal cell cheek swab every time I want to see some flesh or engage in other adult only activities.
If your neighbor wanted to hear all your phone calls, just to make sure you're a safe neighbor to be around, people wouldn't tolerate it. So they certainly shouldn't tolerate the government wanting to see all your messages and what you're talking about.
The correct way to eliminate human trafficking and child abuse is capital controls. Bring the fucking bankers to heel. You don't have the credibility to talk like this while you work hand-in-glove with skinsuits like Jamie Dimon and the coterie of coin operated policymakers that calls itself western democracy. So the intention is not to use credibility, but something much quicker.
We USians often don't realize that the Guardian is a right wing publication. A frustrating number of people in US circles (especially liberals who don't know they aren't leftists) think anything European/UK is ideal and that conservatives don't have any influence there.
The fact that other publications are more right leaning than The Guardian doesn't make it left leaning. It's a liberal paper, supporting liberal positions and routinely expressing opposition to leftists like Corbyn. In my book, support for liberalism and opposition to leftism makes it a right wing publication.
Does anyone really believe it was ever about protecting the kids? I thought it was super obvious it's about mass surveillance. It's so they can link a database of *exactly who is saying what. And then do something evil af with that info, yeah? It's just being poorly framed as "protecting kids" so no one can object, then they look like they don't "care about kids". Even though there's so much proof it doesn't help kids. What would help kids is parents who are able to be with their kids, rather than have to work fingers to bone to just scrape by. They could do information packages for parents, informing them of the risks and how to mitigate, as has been done before. This empowers no one, even if you believe their whole diatribe.
Child abuse, terrorism, national security were always a good alibi for surveillance and control, while pedofiles, terrorists and criminals in the goverment, destroying the national security and basic rights, wishing us to eat cakes.
They are emphatically anti-nazi/anti-fash. If you check out their homepage, the footer has links to "Nazi Punks: Fuck Off" and Black Lives Matter. The favicon for the site is a LGBTQ+ pride flag.
I've read a lot of tech docs through the years. Hands down, this is my favorite.
I do not recommend installing their OS, unless you have time to kill and curiosity. 9front is completely useless. It's a programmer's toy; a sandbox to develop some OS build ideas.
hcf
in reply to fossilesque • • •For those of you doubting the claims for lack of evidence, stating that you'll "wait for the facts" or evidence before allowing yourslf to be outraged—
Where is your outrage for the countless other people who were there who personally testified to being beaten, abused, and paraded around like trophies?
There are already multiple interviews with Chris Smalls, a black American labor organizer, who directly confirmed that he had been beaten, choked, packed like a sardine into a small cell, sleep deprived, strip searched, and completely brutalized by the Israeli navy and prison system.
Ask yourself—why does this need to have happened to the appropriately aged, white, European female on a 4k, live streamed or recorded feed with corroborating testimony by the Israelis and the national newspapers of the country of origin of the supposed victim—why is that the bar you've set for credulity?
What does that say about you or your reaction to the situation?
Wake. Up.
Fuck the details, fuck the squabbling over what constitutes "roughness" versus physical assault. Fuck the inclination to want to hear "the other side" of the story. Things are going horribly wrong in Israel/Palestine—in a place that we've all been told over and over is supposed to be demonstrably above reproach. If even half these claims are true—if even a single one of them is true—what GOOD is it preserving the supposed beacon of democracy in the middle east when they treat foreigners this way?
Even if you think these activists are mentally unwell, or menaces, or being performative, or just doing this for "selfies"—so what? We all know these activists are obviously not terrorists and at least some of them genuinely believe what they are doing. None of this justifies their treatment. Nothing justifies the richest and proudest countries on earth—however much you might agree with that claim—what GOOD is that if our prisons condemn people to absolute squalor and abandonment to the whims of their guards?
HOW is this any different from the indignity camps? These peoples possessions were seized as trophies , their clothes taken, their bodies crammed together like chattel. Do there need to be ovens for there to be discernable lines? Must you feel the radiant heat on your own brows before you'll indulge the sensation that something isn't right here?
Wake. Up.
RaivoKulli
in reply to hcf • • •Trainguyrom
in reply to RaivoKulli • • •Funny how people did the exact same thing regarding the concentration camps the Nazis operated. People chose not to believe the reports they heard from the inside regarding the horrendous and deadly conditions. They "waited for the facts" which of course did not come out until after several years of grinding gruelling war, and well after the final solution began and the gas chambers were operational.
There's evidence enough as it all stands right now to know that Greta is being tortured and abused, and her human rights violated, as we know so many Palestinians have already been for decades and continue to be every day. Hell, the Israeli officials are constantly publicly bragging about the violations of human rights and international law they're committing, so maybe even listen to them when they do so?
RaivoKulli
in reply to Trainguyrom • • •HellsBelle
in reply to RaivoKulli • • •ynthrepic
in reply to HellsBelle • • •So let's spread potential misinformation instead! Banzai!
(There's enough evidence of Netanyhau and Israel's atrocities not to have to potentially make shit up.)
Galactose
in reply to ynthrepic • • •ynthrepic
in reply to Galactose • • •Indeed, but that isn't my primary concern, since we have as much responsibility to call out their bullshit. Problem is that the media gets bored after one pass and never tried to correct the record.
A responsible CNN for example would call Trump out at every opportunity during live presentations and not broadcast anything pre-recorded that Trump says that doesn't have a basis in fact or hold any value to the public otherwise (like trump rambling nonsense reveals his worsening senility, which is handy to know).
FOX News isn't even worthy of criticism it's so utterly captured by the conservative propaganda machine.
Galactose
in reply to ynthrepic • • •grrgyle
in reply to RaivoKulli • • •Well yeah, but we've got plenty of facts already. Decades of facts, in fact.
It's like climate change. Yes, we're constantly learning new things, but the fact that we are in crisis is not disputable.
We have more than enough facts to condemn and convict Israel and Netanyahu of crimes against humanity.
RaivoKulli
in reply to grrgyle • • •grrgyle
in reply to RaivoKulli • • •RaivoKulli
in reply to grrgyle • • •IndustryStandard
in reply to RaivoKulli • • •RaivoKulli
in reply to IndustryStandard • • •IndustryStandard
in reply to RaivoKulli • • •DarthFreyr
in reply to RaivoKulli • • •RaivoKulli
in reply to DarthFreyr • • •phutatorius
in reply to RaivoKulli • • •RaivoKulli
in reply to phutatorius • • •SpaceCowboy
in reply to hcf • • •Galactose
in reply to SpaceCowboy • • •SpaceCowboy
in reply to Galactose • • •From Hamas official statements. They hold civilians hostage which is a war crime. They've massacred villages which is genocide.
Do you deny Hamas committed genocide? Are you a genocide denier?
Pamasich likes this.
Galactose
in reply to SpaceCowboy • • •Armed resistance ain't genocide homeboy. Israeli targetted civilian population, used white-phosphorous & counter-bombardment in a densely-populated area.
Hamas targetted military personnel.
SpaceCowboy
in reply to Galactose • • •Galactose
in reply to SpaceCowboy • • •0x0
in reply to hcf • • •I doubt you'll find those... they're not stupid.
hcf
in reply to 0x0 • • •Auli
in reply to fossilesque • • •technocrit
in reply to Auli • • •This kind of new atheist rhetoric is a distraction at best.
The actual problem is zionism.
dil
in reply to technocrit • • •pyre
in reply to dil • • •Andy
in reply to fossilesque • • •While I wouldn't wish this on anyone, it's amazing how self-destructive this is. Greta is an internationally famous activist. Flagrantly violating and abusing a person with world renown - along with dozens of other activists - is a radically stupid way to hasten international isolation.
It is well known by most in Israel that the country simply cannot function in isolation. It will lead to collapse. In this, they are giving the flotilla far more power to eventually overthrow the ruling regime.
52fighters
in reply to Andy • • •Andy
in reply to 52fighters • • •52fighters
in reply to Andy • • •Andy
in reply to 52fighters • • •Respectfully:
Are you genuinely interested in exercising neutral skepticism? Or are you just arguing on the Internet against claims that run counter to your preferences for what you'd like to be true?
(Be honest.)
52fighters
in reply to Andy • • •Andy
in reply to 52fighters • • •Does this cut both ways? Because I agree with what you: we should not reflexively believe sensationalist claims because they reinforce our preferred view of the world.
But under the exact same logic, we also should avoid dismissing sensationalist claims because they contradict our preferred view of the world.
Being aware of the manipulation you mentioned, and the fact that forces are trying to manipulate you in both directions on this issue... do you have any credible reason to dismiss testimony by Greta Thunberg to a Swedish diplomat regarding the treatment she experienced?
0x0
in reply to Andy • • •Not OP but yes.
But it really doesn't matter. All we'll get from this incident is word-of-mouth only.
Those nazis are brazen but not stupid, they didn't film it.
guy
in reply to fossilesque • • •lol hard doubt
edit: ~~to all those who can't employ critical thinking, representants for the swedish ministry of foreign affairs met Greta Thunberg on Saturday and received no reports of violence. She says there has been too little to eat and drink, she suspects there's bed bugs and she stated that she had to lay on hard surfaces. Nothing about what this article states, so unless it happened right after the embassy left, this is bull and only meant ragebait.~~
edit2: I would advice everyone to apply critical thinking when reading this article. It is framed in such a way as to invoke rage in readers and is probably not true.
Swedish representants for the foreign ministry has met with Greta which stated that there was lack of food and water and that they have to lay on hard surfaces in addition to receiving harsh treatment. No mentions of violence.
Now harsh treatment could cover a lot, but the fact that she hasn't mentioned that they were inflicted violence is a pretty strong indicator that this is not true.
In addition, swedish media hasn't covered this story which I have no doubt they would pick up on pretty fast since the flotilla and the genocide is well covered in media. This would be headlines to say the least.
unconsequential
in reply to guy • • •ynthrepic
in reply to unconsequential • • •knowone
in reply to ynthrepic • • •ynthrepic
in reply to knowone • • •knowone
in reply to ynthrepic • • •ynthrepic
in reply to knowone • • •knowone
in reply to ynthrepic • • •ynthrepic
in reply to knowone • • •knowone
in reply to ynthrepic • • •If you can't understand why someone wouldn't go out in front of the world and make big statements in line with these claims, or any statement at all, immediately after a very traumatising experience then you really need to work on your empathy and understanding of basic human emotion. I understand your skepticism, to a point. I just gave a very obvious reason why she hasn't talked about the harrowing things she went through in detail to the public straight away, whether they are as is said in this article or not. Even thinking about them is going to be very difficult for her, nevermind doing what you're expecting
Edit: Taken out a sentence that isn't relevant, as I thought you were the OP of this comment thread before
ynthrepic
in reply to knowone • • •I don't disagree with the sentiment at all, I just think when you report news like this, you do it responsibly. One of the reasons we're in the situation that we're in with massive distrust of institutions on the one hand, but widespread believe in conspiracy theories on the other is because fact checking has fled a lot of buildings, and depending on your biases people either doubt everything or believe everything dogmatically. There are other reasons of course, and root causes. But it sucks and is tearing us apart.
The Guardian article is worded much more equivocally. "Another detainee" claims she had to kiss the flag. She has given statements herself, but hasn't corroborated the other claims including of her own having been forced to do so. Heresay in general and limited sources.
All I'm asking is that articles make this obvious and don't sensationalize, like the article posted by OP. Whatever the case, the abuses by Israel we have solid evidence for are bad enough.
Israel accused of detaining Greta Thunberg in infested cell and making her hold flags
Lorenzo Tondo (The Guardian)knowone
in reply to ynthrepic • • •Mate can you actually read? I replied to your comment to push back against you expecting Greta to be standing up on a platform and immediately talking about all of this stuff to the world when she's going to be very traumatised. And that she would be whether what the article says is true or not. That's it. Nothing else
My whole point has been about that, not about the article and it's accuracy. The only times I've said anything about the latter is cos you keep somehow not understanding that I'm not talking about the accuracy of the article and bringing it back up again. And even then the only thing I really said in response to that was pushing back against you saying The Canary is niche when it actually isn't really. And also telling you to read it, seeing as you clearly hadn't from what you've said in replies. You didn't understand entirely what you were arguing against in the article and now you're not understanding my point at all and have somehow gone off thinking I'm saying things that I'm not
ynthrepic
in reply to knowone • • •boonhet
in reply to fossilesque • • •I think that's needlessly infantilizing her. She's 22. She's not a "little kid". I think she's old enough for her opinions to carry weight, so how is she a "little kid"?
BlameTheAntifa
in reply to boonhet • • •themachinestops
in reply to BlameTheAntifa • • •lolcatnip
in reply to themachinestops • • •fossilesque
in reply to boonhet • • •boonhet
in reply to fossilesque • • •sp3ctr4l
in reply to boonhet • • •I mean, I feel you, I remember aggroing over verbiage like that when I was younger, but as I am now approaching my upper 30s, I find myself referring to basically 25 yos and under as 'kids', its not necesarrily always meant in a demeaning, infantilzing way, can be meant more in the sense of...
... 'has their whole life ahead of them still, it shouldn't be marred or maimed or traumatized this early' /
/ 'they are adults technically yes, but they have far less experience than most other adults' /
/ 'they are too young to be beset by such cruelty and hardship, there should be other adults being better adults such that these awful things do not happen.'
I guess what I am trying to say is it becomes a kind of genuine, broad protective connotation, not trying to be belittling, moreso a lament that the world has failed.
Maybe call it a bungled attempt at intergenerational solidarity.
boonhet
in reply to sp3ctr4l • • •The thing is, she wasn't just called a kid, but a "little kid".
Sure, I'd call early 20s kids too. Hell, I'm a kid, I'm only turning 30 this year. But I wouldn't call someone a "little kid" once they hit their teenage years. The "little" is what makes the difference in tone. Could've said "she's just a kid" and it would've been a believable attempt at intergenerational solidarity.
SilentStorms
in reply to boonhet • • •lolcatnip
in reply to SilentStorms • • •greedytacothief
in reply to fossilesque • • •Hadriscus
in reply to greedytacothief • • •HugeNerd
in reply to fossilesque • • •Mrkawfee
in reply to HugeNerd • • •With the most moral army in the world no less
Zionist gaslighting is second to none.
QueenHawlSera
in reply to fossilesque • • •Melvin_Ferd
in reply to fossilesque • • •Aequitas
in reply to Melvin_Ferd • • •Melvin_Ferd
in reply to Aequitas • • •StarvingMartist
in reply to Melvin_Ferd • • •IndustryStandard
in reply to StarvingMartist • • •Melvin_Ferd
in reply to StarvingMartist • • •StarvingMartist
in reply to Melvin_Ferd • • •Once again another assumption, I was saying they're wrong in assuming no one here is posting this to other places, you don't know what we're doing, they just went on the attack from the get go and that's an immediate way to alienate instead of cooperate.
I get you're mad, the situation is atrocious, you cannot control it, you can control how you respond to it.
Melvin_Ferd
in reply to StarvingMartist • • •glitchdx
in reply to fossilesque • • •Regardless of what your opinions on Palestine might be, Israel really isn't beating the allegations right now.
I remember what I learned in school about this, it was described as a territory dispute between two equal belligerents. Maybe that was true 30 years ago, I don't know, but it really doesn't describe what's going on right now.
The war is over. Israel won, Palestine barely even exists anymore. This is the part where you're supposed to facilitate aid and win over the losers to your side. dafuq flavor of genocide you dune Israel?
of course, nobody who needs to read this will ever see it. I'm just upset that this kind of thing can even happen in current year.
Of course the second, I'm looking at current events like it's still 2015. not sure why I'm doing that, but fuck does current events make me miss 2015.
phutatorius
in reply to glitchdx • • •It was never true. Israel has had the upper hand since it was founded. Colonialist oppressors always hold their positions through overwhelming force. Israel is no exception.
Fit_Series_573
in reply to fossilesque • • •SaveTheTuaHawk
in reply to fossilesque • • •"They dragged little Greta (Thunberg) by her hair in front of our eyes, beat her, and forced her to kiss the Israeli flag. They did everything imaginable to her as a warning to others.
She’s still a little kid. They made her suffer"
I seriously doubt this is true.
and
Greta Thunberg is 22.
ripcord
in reply to SaveTheTuaHawk • • •Why do you doubt this is true?
Other than the kid part
kadaverin0
in reply to fossilesque • • •SpontaneousCombustion
in reply to fossilesque • • •whyNotSquirrel
in reply to SpontaneousCombustion • • •I think there were already plenty of reasons before that, so the condition is unnecessary here.
edit: maybe you really meant if(true) so it's fine.
SpontaneousCombustion
in reply to whyNotSquirrel • • •Taldan
in reply to SpontaneousCombustion • • •That seems rather extreme. It's never really been a thing to wipe out other warmongering, genocidal countries. Why them?
Danquebec
in reply to Taldan • • •Something very similar was seriously considered for Germany at the end of WW2. Basically, wipe out all industry of Germany, make it an agricultural nation, and skilled workers can migrate to other countries. That's about as close as it gets to remove a country.
With that said, I believe Israel should be allowed to continue existing. But it should go trough a process like de-Nazification.
Tollana1234567
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in reply to Trainguyrom • • •She is a rich white girl that's why why is doing shit like this otherwise she would have been shot long ago.
Prove_your_argument
in reply to fossilesque • • •Al Jazeera has a different report. They say she was dragged, not beaten.
I cannot understand the language spoken in that X video, there is no translation, and there are no free publicly available no-login X.com video translation options that I can find.
Additionally I cannot find the cnn turk video from this activist on the internet anywhere but this x link.
I would be very surprised if they actually did what this post describes because everyone would be outraged. She's a sweetheart and so many eyes are watching what they do.
blackn1ght
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in reply to blackn1ght • • •I dont understand how this shit gets upvoted so high....
Its the same thing maga people do: "the mainstream media is biased, so i'll just get my news from random blogs and websites...."
lemmy has become the lefty version of this
jordanlund
in reply to fossilesque • • •Throw another war crime on the fire...
Can we just jump to tribunals yet?
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