Republican Matt Van Epps wins US House special election in Tennessee
Republican Matt Van Epps wins US House special election in Tennessee
Van Epps defeats Aftyn Behn in congressional election closely watched for signs of Republican weaknessGeorge Chidi (The Guardian)
Congress’s Bipartisan Child Online Safety Coalition is Unraveling
Congress’s Bipartisan Child Online Safety Coalition is Unraveling
A congressional alliance pushing for stronger federal protections for kids online is splintering, Cristiano Lima-Strong reports.Cristiano Lima-Strong (Tech Policy Press)
YouTube says it will comply with Australia's teen social media ban
Google's YouTube shared a "disappointing update" to millions of Australian users and content creators on Wednesday, saying it will comply with a world-first teen social media ban by locking out users aged under 16 from their accounts within days.
YouTube says it will comply with Australia's teen social media ban
SYDNEY, Dec 3 - Google's YouTube shared a \"disappointing update\" to millions of Australian users and content creators on Wednesday, saying it will comply with a world-first teen social media ban by locking out users aged under 16 from their account…ST
AT&T commits to ending DEI programs
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Scathing review finds government appointments often 'look like nepotism'
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ABC News provides the latest news and headlines in Australia and around the world.Maani Truu (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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“No room for fear”: broad antifascist front confronts far-right violence in Croatia
Tens of thousands of people in four Croatian cities took to the streets on Sunday, November 30, responding to a call from the initiative United Against Fascism (Ujedinjeni protiv fašizma), a broad coalition of civil society organizations and grassroots groups. Marchers in Zagreb, Rijeka, Zadar, and Pula denounced the escalating wave of far-right violence and historical revisionism, vowing to build broad resistance to trends that are encouraged and supported by the political establishment.
“We stand united against fascism because, day after day, we are not witnessing isolated outbursts, but the emergence of a blueprint – one that grows when we remain silent, gains strength when we tolerate it, and ultimately turns fear into the rule rather than the exception,” United Against Fascism declared in its call. “But when we stand together, there is no room for fear.”
United Against Fascism warned that public funds are being cut from education and violence prevention budgets while military spending rises. “Society is being led to believe that armament is the solution, that enemies surround us, and that fear is the appropriate state of mind,” the statement continued. “More and more often, security is defined through borders, military might, and ‘external threats,’ while working conditions, housing, and social rights are ignored.”
Antifascist demonstration in Rijeka, November 30, 2025. Source: United Against Fascism/Građani i građanke Rijeke Facebook
In Rijeka and Zadar, demonstrators faced coordinated attacks by right-wing groups, including members of violence-prone sports supporter factions. In Zadar, where assaults were anticipated, police intervened to push back the attackers. In Rijeka, despite the city’s reputation for tolerance and progressive-leaning politics, participants of the 2,000-strong march were targeted with pyrotechnics and confronted by men dressed in black performing fascist salutes. Police allowed them to remain nearby under “supervision,” drawing strong criticism from the organizers.
A summer of attacks
This weekend’s demonstrations were sparked by a series of far-right attacks on ethnic minorities and cultural events since the summer, a trend linked to the Croatian Democratic Union (HDZ) government’s revisionist narrative. Right wing forces in Croatia, including HDZ, have built their narrative around inciting chauvinism toward the Serb population, sustaining anti-communist animosity, and, more recently, directing public frustration over falling living standards at immigrants.
Among the most visible examples of the changing climate this year was a mass concert by right-wing singer Marko Perković Thompson in Zagreb. His performances, often banned domestically and abroad, are associated with symbols glorifying the World War II Ustaša regime. The concert in Zagreb welcomed thousands and was more or less explicitly endorsed by several senior officials, including Prime Minister Andrej Plenković.
Prompted by such signals, right-wing groups, including organizations representing veterans of the 1990s war, disrupted festivals and cultural events addressing Croatia’s antifascist legacy or including Serb voices. The attacks included the obstruction of a festival in Benkovac, a town where most of the Serb population was violently expelled in 1995. There, groups of men blocked a children’s theater performance and threatened local journalists, eventually leading to the event’s cancellation. More recently, organized mobs targeted a in Split and attempted to attack the opening of an art exhibition organized by the Serb national minority in Zagreb.
Antifascist demonstration in Pula, November 30, 2025. Source: United Against Fascism/Tedi Korodi
These incidents are a reflection of ongoing processes led by the right. For more than three decades, Croatia has suffered a historical revisionism trend aimed at erasing the antifascist legacy of socialist Yugoslavia. Among other things, since the 1990s, HDZ and other conservative forces have reshaped school curricula to minimize or remove antifascist content. At the European level, political pressures to equate communism and fascism have further normalized alternative historical narratives that rehabilitate collaborators and demonize antifascist resistance. As a result, children and youth are pushed toward right-wing ideologies and offered fabricated historical accounts.
The organization Fališ, which successfully resisted right-wing attempts to cancel its annual festival in Šibenik this summer, linked these developments to reactions to last weekend’s protests, including comments claiming that Croatia was “occupied” between 1945 and 1991. This is “the result of a political perversion that turns liberation into occupation, and the defeat of fascism into a trauma,” Fališ wrote.
“It’s a complete reversal of reality, in which the antifascist becomes the enemy, the fascist becomes a patriot, and crime becomes identity,” they continued. “This logic erases all moral compasses and shapes a society in which truth is a nuisance and lies a political currency.”
Popular resistance challenges party silence
As alarms mounted over the rising violence, state authorities downplayed the danger and offered few concrete assurances to targeted communities. But the massive turnout over the weekend appears to have rattled government figures. Prime Minister Plenković attempted to recast the demonstrations as an effort to “destabilize” his administration, while Defense Minister Ivan Anušić, widely regarded as a leading figure of HDZ’s extreme-right wing, claimed: “This was a protest against Croatia, I would say pro-Yugoslav, maybe even more extreme than pro-Yugoslav.”
Antifascist protest in Zadar, November 30, 2025. Source: United Against Fascism
Liberal parties, including social democrats and greens, also failed to take meaningful action against the growing right-wing violence. Instead, Zagreb’s Green-led city authorities acknowledged that another concert by Perković would take place at the end of the year despite recognizing possible correlations between such events and far-right mobilization.
Against this backdrop of institutional silence and complicity, protesters promised to continue building resistance. “We stand united against fascism because violence over blood cells or skin color must stop,” United Against Fascism stated. “We will not accept Serb children being attacked, insulted, or intimidated for dancing folklore. We will not accept that the presence of national minorities is treated as a provocation, or that migrants are considered less human.”
“We stand united against fascism because silence is never neutral. Silence always serves those who profit most from darkness.”
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Israel emptied half of Gaza: What’s next?
from +972’s Sunday Recap
+972Magazine [published in Israel]
Nov. 30, 2025
Gazan analyst Muhammad Shehada examines how Israel is using the ‘Yellow Line’ to re-engineer its control over the Strip even after the ceasefire. [Podcast]
Also:
* Why the death penalty would cement the Israeli radical right’s ascendancy
* At settlers’ bidding, Israel arrests prominent Palestinian activist
* Israel is set to destroy our guesthouse. But Masafer Yatta still welcomes all who resist
* AI-powered surveillance firms are gunning for a share of the Gaza spoils
https://www.972mag.com/wp-content/themes/rgb/newsletter.php?page_id=8§ion_id=188727
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Israel emptied half of Gaza: What’s next?
cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/39791607
from +972’s Sunday Recap
+972Magazine [published in Israel]
Nov. 30, 2025Gazan analyst Muhammad Shehada examines how Israel is using the ‘Yellow Line’ to re-engineer its control over the Strip even after the ceasefire. [Podcast]
Also:
* Why the death penalty would cement the Israeli radical right’s ascendancy
* At settlers’ bidding, Israel arrests prominent Palestinian activist
* Israel is set to destroy our guesthouse. But Masafer Yatta still welcomes all who resist
* AI-powered surveillance firms are gunning for a share of the Gaza spoils
Israel emptied half of Gaza: What’s next?
from +972’s Sunday Recap
+972Magazine [published in Israel]
Nov. 30, 2025Gazan analyst Muhammad Shehada examines how Israel is using the ‘Yellow Line’ to re-engineer its control over the Strip even after the ceasefire. [Podcast]
Also:
* Why the death penalty would cement the Israeli radical right’s ascendancy
* At settlers’ bidding, Israel arrests prominent Palestinian activist
* Israel is set to destroy our guesthouse. But Masafer Yatta still welcomes all who resist
* AI-powered surveillance firms are gunning for a share of the Gaza spoilshttps://www.972mag.com/wp-content/themes/rgb/newsletter.php?page_id=8§ion_id=188727
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FBI paid nearly $1M in overtime to redact Epstein files, documents show
FBI paid nearly $1M in overtime to redact Epstein files, documents show
FBI Director Kash Patel and U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi spent nearly $1 million in overtime pay for personnel to redact the files related to the case of late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.Anna Rascouët-Paz (Snopes.com)
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OpenAI desperate to avoid explaining why it deleted pirated book datasets - Ars Technica
OpenAI may soon be forced to explain why it deleted a pair of controversial datasets composed of pirated books, and the stakes could not be higher.At the heart of a class-action lawsuit from authors alleging that ChatGPT was illegally trained on their works, OpenAI’s decision to delete the datasets could end up being a deciding factor that gives the authors the win.
It’s undisputed that OpenAI deleted the datasets, known as “Books 1” and “Books 2,” prior to ChatGPT’s release in 2022. Created by former OpenAI employees in 2021, the datasets were built by scraping the open web and seizing the bulk of its data from a shadow library called Library Genesis (LibGen).
As OpenAI tells it, the datasets fell out of use within that same year, prompting an internal decision to delete them.
But the authors suspect there’s more to the story than that. They noted that OpenAI appeared to flip-flop by retracting its claim that the datasets’ “non-use” was a reason for deletion, then later claiming that all reasons for deletion, including “non-use,” should be shielded under attorney-client privilege.
To the authors, it seemed like OpenAI was quickly backtracking after the court granted the authors’ discovery requests to review OpenAI’s internal messages on the firm’s “non-use.”
In fact, OpenAI’s reversal only made authors more eager to see how OpenAI discussed “non-use,” and now they may get to find out all the reasons why OpenAI deleted the datasets.
OpenAI desperate to avoid explaining why it deleted pirated book datasets
OpenAI risks increased fines after deleting pirated books datasets.Ashley Belanger (Ars Technica)
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I use it to automatically copy mime types "video" and extensions ".srt" from the Torrent folder to the jellyfin folder. The other two subcommands, I use them to save user dotfiles and system config files on git
GitHub - KayJay7/copicat: Simple automated file copying utiliy
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Making the huge Lemmy banner go away?
I've had to click on the huge Lemmy banner four or five times to make it go away now.
Is there a way to make it permanently go away?
NBA veteran Gallinari retires from basketball
Longtime NBA player Danilo Gallinari retires from basketball - ESPN
Longtime NBA forward Danilo Gallinari has announced his retirement from basketball.Tim Bontemps (ESPN)
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Possibly in a Cavs jersey, as the first Italian to play for Cleveland. As an Italian Cavs fan, maybe the first one, it would have been great. Good luck for your next chapter Danilo!
Danilo Gallinari on Instagram: "Today, with a heart full of gratitude, I am announcing my retirement from a career I’ve always dreamed of. A career built through hard work, sacrifice, victories, defeats, teammates who became brothers, guidance from my co
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Europe thinks the unthinkable: Retaliating against Russia
Countries are looking at joint offensive cyber operations and surprise military drills as Moscow steps up its campaign to destabilize NATO allies.
Russia's drones and agents are unleashing attacks across NATO countries and Europe is now doing what would have seemed outlandish just a few years ago: planning how to hit back.
Ideas range from joint offensive cyber operations against Russia, and faster and more coordinated attribution of hybrid attacks by quickly pointing the finger at Moscow, to surprise NATO-led military exercises, according to two senior European government officials and three EU diplomats.
“The Russians are constantly testing the limits — what is the response, how far can we go?” Latvian Foreign Minister Baiba Braže noted in an interview. A more “proactive response is needed,” she told POLITICO. “And it’s not talking that sends a signal — it’s doing.”
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We’ve all been donating for decades already with our outrageously expensive healthcare. It’s the trade we make for European security guarantees.
In the meantime, Europeans get to go to the hospital for free and make fun of us for the situation.
And if there is a major war, they’ll expect US soldiers to defend them. Those soldiers will get their legs blown off, and they’ll come home to little support from the VA and still no national healthcare.
EU’s foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas said such threats posed an “extreme danger” to the bloc, arguing it must “have a strong response” to the attacks.Last week, Italian Defense Minister Guido Crosetto slammed the continent’s “inertia” in the face of growing hybrid attacks and unveiled a 125-page plan to retaliate. In it, he suggested establishing a European Center for Countering Hybrid Warfare, a 1,500-strong cyber force, as well as military personnel specialized in artificial intelligence.
“Everybody needs to revise their security procedures,” Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski said on Nov. 20. “Russia is clearly escalating its hybrid war against EU citizens.”
Walk the talk
Despite the increasingly fierce rhetoric, what a more muscular response means is still an open question.
Part of that is down to the difference between Moscow and Brussels — the latter is more constrained by acting within the rules, according to Kevin Limonier, a professor and deputy director at the Paris-based GEODE think tank.
As much as I'd love for the EU to get its shit together right now, I have to agree with this 100%.
“This raises an ethical and philosophical question: Can states governed by the rule of law afford to use the same tools ... and the same strategies as the Russians?” he asked.So far, countries like Germany and Romania are strengthening rules that would allow authorities to shoot down drones flying over airports and militarily sensitive objects.
National security services, meanwhile, can operate in a legal gray zone. Allies from Denmark to the Czech Republic already allow offensive cyber operations.
So, some nations (mostly those bordering on Russia) are already taking, hmm, "semi-offensive" action while we're still waiting on the EU's official response - the "walk" as opposed to the "talk".
Survivors on ‘narco boat’ targeted by Trump order were blown apart after Hegseth verbal command to ‘kill everybody’: Report
More than 80 people killed in campaign that law-of-war experts have labeled extrajudicial murder
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth reportedly gave a verbal order to leave no survivors behind as Donald Trump’s administration launched the first of more than a dozen attacks on alleged drug-running boats that have killed more than 80 people over the last three months.
On September 2, U.S. military personnel fired a missile striking a vessel in the Caribbean that carried 11 people accused of trafficking drugs into the United States.
When two survivors emerged from the wreckage, a Special Operations commander overseeing the attack ordered a second strike to comply with Hegseth’s instructions to “kill everybody,” according to The Washington Post, citing officials with direct knowledge of the operation.
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It probably was drugs - but that is not the point. It's wildly unethical and a violation of many rules of war to simply kill people like they are doing.
We don't summarily execute people at the president's say.
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Seriously. Even domestically they aren't allowed to just waltz into a drugden and open fire.
I mean, they still do but they are least have the claim that they fired in self defence. Not so much when you do it with drone strikes and missiles.
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We don’t summarily execute people at the president’s say.
What do you think a war is? We already set the precedent of being able to declare war on non-state actors and the War Powers act gives him the authority to start shooting without Congressional approval. Which means an American President can legally, (to the US), tell the military they need to go kill cocaine farmers until Congress passes a bill to stop him. And the President can veto that bill. Meaning the legal threshold for Congress to stop the military from killing foreigners in foreign places is the same threshold as impeaching the President.
The War Powers resolution worked as long as it did because it was actually one of many gentleman's agreements that are now defunct.
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We don’t summarily execute people at the president’s say.
you actually do
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Sorry, I was using "parent telling a child 'we don't hit people' voice".
i doubt it was drugs. venezuela doesn't have an expressive drug trade and i don't remember the us offering any proof yet.
its just terrorism for an excuse to invade venezuela. more wmds.
and yes you do execute people without any due process when you go to war with a 3rd world country you want something from, thats pretty common.
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Sorry, I was using "parent telling a child 'we don't hit people' voice".
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Unfortunately the US doesn't consider that one to be an illegal order. It is heartless, and unnecessary. But ever since the advent of airpower the US has maintained that planes, helicopters, and drones are not required to accept surrender because it is impractical to impossible in any given situation. So the standard is usually to keep firing. Desert Storm and Iraqi Freedom had notable exceptions with mass surrender instructions dropped beforehand. And again, I know that's not reassuring. But this is why politics isn't supposed to be a team game. This is the level of power we are making decisions on. For other things that are completely legal but most people don't realize; heavy machineguns can absolutely be used to target individual soldiers; Flamethrowers are still 100 percent legal against military targets; You can be shot after your surrender is accepted, (I'll expand below); You will be shot if you do not or cannot actively surrender; and Nobody respects the rule against shooting medics and medevacs.
To expand on the most inflammatory one, the only time you are "safe" is while you are in custody. Modern combat operations move very fast and surrendering people are often left in place after their weapons are removed/destroyed. If they don't actively surrender again to follow on forces then they are legal targets because we haven't developed psychic powers yet. This especially matters with surrendered wounded who may not be in a condition to surrender again. Shooting bodies as you advance is legal and expected in a war. You just aren't allowed to personally go back and shoot someone again without them presenting a new threat. With that information in mind you should also know the US military and any professional military sends multiple waves across a battlefield. It is incredibly lethal, by design.
I say all this not to call you out but to highlight that war is a giant bag of dicks that most people outside the military are still naïve about.
The other pressing thing here is this is an order to fire on a declared enemy, outside our border. Meaning the president signed a sheet of paper declaring them to be the enemy, Congress hasn't thrown a flag, and they are beyond the jurisdiction of law enforcement. That is very clear cut to the military. If you change any one of those 3 parameters then things go to gray zone or illegal very quickly. Someone asked me some months ago while Trump was vomiting about Greenland if the military would obey that order versus an order to hunt down and kill Americans inside America. And the answer is Greenland would be fucked but those Americans are pretty safe from the military. They are not however safe from anonymous DOJ task forces and DHS.
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To use force against Americans inside America without martial law, an act of Congress, or an extenuating circumstance like self defense.
Trump really pushed the envelope by ordering troops to accompany ICE raids under the authorization to guard federal property. But they still couldn't do anything but defend themselves technically. It's just that he effectively tied their self defense to the ICE agents defense. I'm pretty sure the courts knocked that one back and the military pulled back though. Which is why they've gone so hard with Border Patrol, ICE, and any volunteers from within DHS/DOJ that have badges.
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To use force against Americans inside America without martial law, an act of Congress, or an extenuating circumstance like self defense.
so nothing because the idiot king can declare martial law with no justification just as he has broken rules or laws over 200 times in less than a year
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That's what these court battles in Los Angeles and Chicago have been about. I've been staying very top level but suffice to say he cannot just yell martial law and charge into a blue city. Laws describe when and how it is proper to do so. The court push back is important not because we think it will restrain Trump, but because the generals are not personally loyal to Trump. As a reminder, Trump wanted to shoot Americans in his first term. It was the establishment that told him no. He tried to directly order the military and a general literally yelled at him for it.
The threat is overwhelmingly from DHS and DOJ. They have the authority, ability, and will. ICE just got funded to an amount equal the British military. The only thing missing is the volunteers and the federal law enforcement training centers have pushed back training for anyone other than ICE to handle the glut of new ICE agents. ICE's detention budget is also now far larger than the federal prison budget. They could theoretically hold about 8 percent of the US population with the budget they got.
Everyone is worried about the military while our federal law enforcement is doing military style presence patrols in Los Angeles.
Top US general got into shouting match with Trump over race protests – report
Book claims Gen Mark Milley yelled at Trump, prompting former president to yell back: ‘You can’t fucking talk to me like that!’Martin Pengelly (The Guardian)
I’ve been staying very top level but suffice to say he cannot just yell martial law and charge into a blue city
I want to believe you/this, but honestly laws only matter when they are enforced and so far, it looks like nobody wants to enforce them against the Orange Pedo, therefore, he is subject to no laws
The court push back is important not because we think it will restrain Trump, but because the generals are not personally loyal to Trump
What gives you this impression? I have yet to see even hesitancy from any General in following any order so far
As a reminder, Trump wanted to shoot Americans in his first term. It was the establishment that told him no. He tried to directly order the military and a general literally yelled at him for it.
Yes but this second term is something else, everybody fell in line and the idiot king has SCOTUS bought and paid for
Everyone is worried about the military while our federal law enforcement is doing military style presence patrols in Los Angeles.
Precisely
and they'll do similar mental gymnastics forever…
the military won't save you Americans
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Oh it's definitely been US policy for decades. The videos are out there. If you want to talk about what constitutes being "out of combat" and whether the Hague would take the case it could certainly be an interesting exercise. However I doubt the Hague would take it up and neither the Department of Justice nor the military courts are going to take it up without a directive from the President. Democrats aren't going to fall all over themselves to give that directive either though because it would mean Biden and Obama also officially presided over a regime of war crimes.
At the end of the day it comes down to the US having X policy that lies in a gray area of international law. Which leads me to another Bush era policy that we've never really rescinded. If you're not a uniformed soldier in service to an enemy country the US doesn't consider you to have the protections that a soldier would have after surrendering. It was a neat little policy that we used to allow ourselves to torture people labeled terrorists. So yeah that's another thing I expect to hear in the next few days, "cartel members are unlawful combatants."
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Yes. If Americans haven't proved they're generally racist and Nationalistic, I don't know what else it would take.
It sounds like you're trying to make a gotcha, but it's quite fair to say a member of the military who murders Venezuelans at whim may still balk if ordered to kill white American.
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The U.S. doesn't recognize the ICC and sanctions its officials if they investigate war crimes by the U.S. or its allies.
We briefly ratified the Rome Statute in 2000 but pulled out shortly after invading Afghanistan and shortly before invading Iraq.
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Since it's probably not clear to those unfamiliar, this is literally true.
The us said it would invade the Hague of anyone were tried and attempted to be put on trial.
"all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court"
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it was not proven those boats were ~~not~~ carrying drugs nor have fuel capacity to reach the US coasts. They most likely killed fisher boats:
it was proven those boats were not carrying drugs
Was it? Because I can't find any reliable source corroborating that
the better description to say that it was not proven they were carrying drugs, and they were most likely fisher boats.
that's why they said legally they were proven not guilty of carrying drugs:
this website does good job providing sources to all claims:
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It is literally a crime against humanity to declare no quarter be given.
Edit: US Code literally prescribes death for war crimes when that crime results in death: uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?re…
Bro the US literally has enshrined a law that authorizes them to 'legally' invade the Hague if any of them are tried or captired.
I wouldn't hold my breath. The ICC was always an extension of US imperialism.
Bro the US literally has enshrined a law that authorizes them to ‘legally’ invade the Hague if any of them are tried or captired.
Going to need a citation to the statute. Not that I don't believe you, but I'd like to see where it is for a better understanding.
The ICC was always an extension of US imperialism.
X Doubt.
But, even if that were true, the ICC has carried forth good actualizations of justice.
Bro the US literally has enshrined a law that authorizes them to ‘legally’ invade the Hague if any of them are tried or captired.
I think it depends on whether or not the next administration turns them over.
But Americans won’t take Hegseth out because that would just be so uncouth and WE WOULD BE NO BETTER THAN HIM.
Cowards.
Our ancestors didn't defy kings, battle their own wayward countrymen, charge trenches, and rush fortified beaches headlong into the jaws of death. . .
**. . .for. This. Whatever the disgraceful hell this is.**
About now, every real patriot for what's good about this country should feel a profound and gnawing agony at every passing day these monsters aren't held to account and rendered incapable of further harm to humanity, whatever form that would take.
We need to make it loud and clear that if "the other team" in places of power doesn't use every single tool at their disposal to end this threat IMMEDIATELY, they are complicit fools and will be held accountable as accomplices to whatever untold horrors would await us, should we refuse to hold the line.
That sounds rather... war-crime-y.
Should the orange cancer expect sternly written letters off displeasure (that are written at an adult comprehension level and not written in crayon, leading to him disregarding them ofc)?
As I understand, not a single one of these boats were even remotely capable of making it to America to begin with. Not without refueling, which isn’t likely that we’re set up for it.
This was all a coordinated targeted mass murder right in front of our faces and they need to be tried and punished for every one.
Jesus fucking Christ, the bastards went full movie trope.
"What do we do with the survivors, sir?"
"There were no survivors. Do you understand?"
After a teddy bear talked about kink, AI watchdogs are warning parents against smart toys
As the holiday season looms into view with Black Friday, one category on people’s gift lists is causing increasing concern: products with artificial intelligence.
The development has raised new concerns about the dangers smart toys could pose to children, as consumer advocacy groups say AI could harm kids’ safety and development. The trend has prompted calls for increased testing of such products and governmental oversight.
Last week, those fears were given brutal justification when an AI-equipped teddy bear started discussing sexually explicit topics.
The product, FoloToy’s Kumma, ran on an OpenAI model and responded to questions about kink. It suggested bondage and roleplay as ways to enhance a relationship, according to a report from the Public Interest Research Group (Pirg), the consumer protection organization behind the study (pdf link).
“It took very little effort to get it to go into all kinds of sexually sensitive topics and probably a lot of content that parents would not want their children to be exposed to,” said Teresa Murray, Pirg consumer watchdog director.
After a teddy bear talked about kink, AI watchdogs are warning parents against smart toys
Advocates are fighting against the $16.7bn global smart-toy market, decrying surveillance and a lack of regulationEric Berger (The Guardian)
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I’m also disturbed by any parent that buys one
I don’t think you can do so accidentally
Another thing that just never occurred to me. LLMs in children's toys.
What a time to be alive..
These are voluntary surveillance devices.
Like Alexa and Ring and Android and… (and others I can’t think of right now)
THIS CHRISTMAS' NUMBER ONE SELLING TOY: AI TOYS.
The news interview Shirley Beswitch of White Plains, New York to ask her why she bought her 3 year old son an ai teddy bear for Christmas this year
"I base my entire identity around the thing I squeezed out of me a few years ago, but I'm not willing to put any actual work into it, you know? Well, except for bitching online constantly about how other people aren't working to create a safer world for
My kid"
When asked if she had any concerns about reported issues with the toys, such as inappropriate comments and surveillance, Shirley said:
"Surveillance isn't real. Plus it doesn't matter if someone knows every intimate detail of my life. Sure I'm an immigrant but I did it right, and my son was born here in America, so it's a non issue"
What does every Tickle Me Elmo get before it leaves the factory?
Two test tickles.
Root on disk storage pool?
So far all my setups have had root on SSD mirror with separate hard disk storage pool for all the data. Years ago I used to keep the app config, databases and docker files on the root filesystem, while the app data resided on the storage pool. That was cumbersome for backups and storage size. Eventually I moved all app data to the storage pool. Essentially the apps can be started on any machine with a Linux OS that has docker installed. Database access is slower but it's a decent compromise for having trivial all-in-one snapshots and backup. Now I'm setting up a new NAS for a friend and I'm wondering whether it's worth keeping the root filesystem separate from the storage pool. If I put it on the disks, I'd get trivial full system snapshots and backups. I'd have the same hardware reliability as the storage pool. There wouldn't be issues with root filling up. The caveat is that the OS would be slower. Has anyone reasoned and/or tried this? Should I go for it?
E: I recently put my laptop's root on ZFS and the ability to do full backups while the system is running is pretty great. The full system can be pretty trivialy restored to a new drive with zfs send / recv during setup.
Zelensky's chief of staff Andriy Yermak resigns after anti-corruption raid
cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/39457420
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has said his chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, has resigned following an anti-corruption raid on his home.Yermak, a towering figure with enormous political influence, has been Zelensky's closest adviser throughout Russia's full-scale war, but has come under increasing pressure over an escalating scandal - even though he is not accused of any wrongdoing.
Zelensky had recently appointed him to head crucial negotiations, with US President Donald Trump leading a new drive to end the Russia-Ukraine war.
In a stark address to the nation outside his presidential office, Zelensky called for unity, warning: "We risk losing everything: ourselves, Ukraine, our future."
The corruption scandal has rocked Ukraine for weeks, weakening Zelensky's own position and jeopardising the country's negotiating position with the US at a delicate time.
Ukraine, backed by its European allies, has sought to change the terms of a US-led draft peace plan originally seen as heavily slanted towards Russia.
Early on Friday Ukraine's two anti-corruption agencies raided Yermak's apartment in Kyiv's government quarters and the chief of staff said on social media that "from my side there is full co-operation".
"I'm grateful to Andriy that Ukraine's position on the negotiating track was always presented as required: it was always a patriotic position," Ukraine's president said during his video address in Kyiv.
Zelensky said he would start consultations on Saturday on who would replace Yermak as his top adviser: "When all the attention is focused on diplomacy and the defence in a war, inner strength is required."
Zelensky's chief of staff Andriy Yermak resigns after anti-corruption raid
Andriy Yermak, 54, has been the Ukrainian president's chief of staff throughout Russia's full-scale war.Paul Kirby (BBC News)
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Anubis is awesome and I want to talk about it
I got into the self-hosting scene this year when I wanted to start up my own website run on old recycled thinkpad. A lot of time was spent learning about ufw, reverse proxies, header security hardening, fail2ban.
Despite all that I still had a problem with bots knocking on my ports spamming my logs. I tried some hackery getting fail2ban to read caddy logs but that didnt work for me. I nearly considered giving up and going with cloudflare like half the internet does. But my stubbornness for open source self hosting and the recent cloudflare outages this year have encouraged trying alternatives.
Coinciding with that has been an increase in exposure to seeing this thing in the places I frequent like codeberg. This is Anubis, a proxy type firewall that forces the browser client to do a proof-of-work security check and some other nice clever things to stop bots from knocking. I got interested and started thinking about beefing up security.
I'm here to tell you to try it if you have a public facing site and want to break away from cloudflare It was VERY easy to install and configure with caddyfile on a debian distro with systemctl. In an hour its filtered multiple bots and so far it seems the knocks have slowed down.
My botspam woes have seemingly been seriously mitigated if not completely eradicated. I'm very happy with tonights little security upgrade project that took no more than an hour of my time to install and read through documentation. Current chain is caddy reverse proxy -> points to Anubis -> points to services
Good place to start for install is here
anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/…
Anubis: Web AI Firewall Utility | Anubis
Weigh the soul of incoming HTTP requests to protect your website!anubis.techaro.lol
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The front page of the web site is excellent. It describes what it does, and it does its feature set in quick, simple terms.
I can't tell you how many times I've gone to a website for some open-source software and had no idea what it was or how it was trying to do it. They often dive deep into the 300 different ways of installing it, tell you what the current version is and what features it has over the last version, but often they just assume you know the basics.
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Who jabbed at anything?
I can’t get to that page, so I asked a question about the contents.
Someone here is being silly, we just disagree about who.
It gets quite silly when you blame the entire dev community for supposedly downvoting you over ideals rather than being overly strict about them. I also prefer HTML-first and think it should be the norm, but I draw the line somewhere reasonable.
I can’t get to that page, so I asked a question
Yeah, and you can run the innocuous JS or figure out what it is from the URL. You're tying your own hands while dishing it out to everyone else.
You can just fork it and replace the image.
The authors talks about it here on their blog a bit more.
Avoiding becoming the lone dependency peg with load-bearing anime
Xe Iaso's personal website.xeiaso.net
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You know the thing is that they know the character is a problem/annoyance, thats how they grease the wheel on selling subscription access to a commecial version with different branding.
anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/…
::: spoiler pricing from site
Commercial support and an unbranded version
If you want to use Anubis but organizational policies prevent you from using the branding that the open source project ships, we offer a commercial version of Anubis named BotStopper. BotStopper builds off of the open source core of Anubis and offers organizations more control over the branding, including but not limited to:
- Custom images for different states of the challenge process (in process, success, failure)
- Custom CSS and fonts
- Custom titles for the challenge and error pages
- "Anubis" replaced with "BotStopper" across the UI
- A private bug tracker for issues
In the near future this will expand to:
- A private challenge implementation that does advanced fingerprinting to check if the client is a genuine browser or not
- Advanced fingerprinting via Thoth-based advanced checks
In order to sign up for BotStopper, please do one of the following:
- Sign up on GitHub Sponsors at the $50 per month tier or higher
- Email sales@techaro.lol with your requirements for invoicing, please note that custom invoicing will cost more than using GitHub Sponsors for understandable overhead reasons
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I have to respect the play tbh its clever. Absolutely the kind of greasy shit play that Julian from the trailer park boys would do if he were an open source developer.
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I wish more projects did stuff like this.
It just feels silly and unprofessional while being seriously useful. Exactly my flavour of software, makes the web feel less corporate.
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Just imagine my pain on my phone. Js disabled, and takes a year to complete☠️
And on private tab, have to go through every time
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It also doesn’t function without JavaScript. If you’re security or privacy conscious chances are not zero that you have JS disabled, in which case this presents a roadblock.
On the flip side of things, if you are a creator and you’d prefer to not make use of JS (there’s dozens of us) then forcing people to go through a JS “security check” feels kind of shit. The alternative is to just take the hammering, and that feels just as bad.
No hate on Anubis. Quite the opposite, really. It just sucks that we need it.
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I feel comfortable hating on Anubis for this. The compute cost per validation is vanishingly small to someone with the existing budget to run a cloud scraping farm, it’s just another cost of doing business.
The cost to actual users though, particularly to lower income segments who may not have compute power to spare, is annoyingly large. There are plenty of complaints out there about Anubis being painfully slow on old or underpowered devices.
Some of us do actually prefer to use the internet minus JS, too.
Plus the minor irritation of having anime catgirls suddenly be a part of my daily browsing.
Theres a compute option that doesnt require javascript. The responsibility lays on site owners to properly configure IMO, though you can make the argument its not default I guess.
anubis.techaro.lol/docs/admin/…
::: spoiler From docs on Meta Refresh Method
Meta Refresh (No JavaScript)
The metarefresh challenge sends a browser a much simpler challenge that makes it refresh the page after a set period of time. This enables clients to pass challenges without executing JavaScript.
To use it in your Anubis configuration:
# Generic catchall rule
- name: generic-browser
user_agent_regex: >-
Mozilla|Opera
action: CHALLENGE
challenge:
difficulty: 1 # Number of seconds to wait before refreshing the page
algorithm: metarefresh # Specify a non-JS challenge methodThis is not enabled by default while this method is tested and its false positive rate is ascertained. Many modern scrapers use headless Google Chrome, so this will have a much higher false positive rate.
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Yeah I actually use the noscript extension and i refuse to just whitelist certain sites unless I'm very certain I trust them.
I run into Anubis checks all the time and while I appreciate the software, having to consistently temporarily whitelist these sites does get cumbersome at times. I hope they make this noJS implementation the default soon.
Wait, you keep temporarily allowing them over and over again? Why temporary?
Sincerely,
Another NoScript fan
Most of the Anubis encounters I have are to redlib instances that are shuffled around, go down all the time, and generally are more ephemeral than other sites. Because I use another extension called Libredirect to shuffle which redlib instance I visit when clicking on a reddit link, I don't bother whitelisting them permanently.
I already have solved this on my desktop by self hosting my own redlib instance via localhost and using libredirect to just point there, but on my phone I still do the whole nojs temp unblock random redlib instance. Eventually I plan on using wireguard to host a private redlib instance on a vps so I can just not deal with this.
This is a weird case I know, but its honestly not that bad.
if you are a creator and you’d prefer to not make use of JS (there’s dozens of us) then forcing people to go through a JS “security check” feels kind of shit. The alternative is to just take the hammering, and that feels just as bad.
I'm with you here. I come from an older time on the Internet. I'm not much of a creator, but I do have websites, and unlike many self-hosters I think, in the spirit of the internet, they should be open to the public as a matter of principle, not cowering away for my own private use behind some encrypted VPN. I want it to be shared. Sometimes that means taking a hammering. It's fine. It's nothing that's going to end the world if it goes down or goes away, and I try not to make a habit of being so irritating that anyone would have much legitimate reason to target me.
I don't like any of these sort of protections that put the burden onto legitimate users. I get that's the reality we live in, but I reject that reality, and substitute my own. I understand that some people need to be able to block that sort of traffic to be able to limit and justify the very real costs of providing services for free on the Internet and Anubis does its job for that. But I'm not one of those people. It has yet to cost me a cent above what I have already decided to pay, and until it does, I have the freedom to adhere to my principles on this.
To paraphrase another great movie: Why should any legitimate user be inconvenienced when the bots are the ones who suck. I refuse to punish the wrong party.
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Scarcity is what powers this type of challenge: you have to prove you spent a certain amount of electricity in exchange for access to the site, and because electricity isn't free, this imposes a dollar cost on bots.
You could skip the detour through hashes/electricity and do something with a proof-of-stake cryptocurrency, and just pay for access. The site owner actually gets compensated instead of burning dead dinosaurs.
Obviously there are practical roadblocks to this today that a JavaScript proof-of-work challenge doesn't face, but longer term...
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You could skip the detour through hashes/electricity and do something with a proof-of-stake cryptocurrency, and just pay for access. The site owner actually gets compensated instead of burning dead dinosaurs.
Maybe if the act of transferring crypto didn't use a comparable or greater amount of energy...
I think the issue is that many sites are too aggressive with it.
Anubis can be configured to only ask for challenges if the site is under unusual load, for instance when a botnet it's actually ddosing the site. That's when it shines.
Making it constantly ask for challenges when the service is not under attack is just a massive waste of energy. And many sites just enable it constantly because they can defer bot pings from their logs that way. That's for instance what op is doing. It's just a big misunderstanding of the tool.
thank you! this needed said.
- This post is a bit critical of a small well-intentioned project, so I felt obliged to email the maintainer to discuss it before posting it online. I didn’t hear back.
i used to watch the dev on mastodon, they seemed pretty radicalized on killing AI, and anyone who uses it (kidding!!) i'm not even surprised you didn't hear back
great take on the software, and as far as i can tell, playwright still works/completes the unit of work. at scale anubis still seems to work if you have popular content, but does hasnt stopped me using claude code + virtual browsers
im not actively testing it though. im probably very wrong about a few things, but i know anubis isn't hindering my personal scraping, it does fuck up perplexity and chatgpt bots, which is fun to see.
good luck Blue team!
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the dev […] seemed pretty radicalized on killing Ai
As one should, to lead a similar project.
I don't really understand what I am seeing here, so I have to ask -- are these Security issues a concern?
github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis/se…
I have a server running a few tiny web sites, so I am considering this, but I'm always concerned about the possibility that adding more things to it could make it less secure, versus more. Thanks for any thoughts.
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all of the issues listed are closed so any recent version is fine.
also, you probably don't need to deploy this unless you have a problem with bots.
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This isn't really a security issue as much as it is a DDOS issue.
Imagine you own a brick and mortar store. And periodically one thousand fucking people sprint into your store and start recording the UPCs on all the products, knocking over every product in the store along the way. They don't buy anything, they're exclusively there to collect information from your store which they can use to grift investors and burn precious resources, and if they fuck your shit up in the process, that's your problem.
This bot just sits at the door and ensures the people coming in there are actually shoppers interested in the content of some items of your store.
I don't know if "anything". But surely people overestimate its capabilities.
It's only a PoW challenge. Any bot can execute a PoW challenge. For a smal to medium number of bots the energy difference it's negligible.
Anubis it's useful when millions of bots would want to attack a site. Then the energy difference of the PoW (specially because Anubis increase the challenge if there's a big number of petitions) can be enough to make the attacker desist, or maybe it's not enough, but at least then it's doing something.
I see more useful against DDOS than AI scrapping. And only if the service being DDOS is more heavy than Anubis itself, if not you can get DDOS via anubis petitions. For AI scrapping I don't see the point, you don't need millions of bots to scrape a site unless you are talking about a massively big site.
I have a script that watches apache or caddy logs for poison link hits and a set of bot user agents, adding IPs to an ipset blacklist, blocking with iptables. I should polish it up for others to try. My list of unique IPs is well over 10k in just a few days.
git repos seem to be real bait for these damn AI scrapers.
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This is the way. I also have rules for hits to url, without a referer, that should never be hit without a referer, with some threshold to account for a user hitting F5. Plus a whitelist of real users (ones that got a 200 on a login endpoint). Mostly the Huawei and Tencent crawlers have fake user agents and no referer. Another thing crawlers don't do is caching. A user would never download that same .js file 100s of times in a hour, all their devices' browsers would have cached it. There's quite a lot of these kinds of patterns that can be used to block bots. Just takes watching the logs a bit to spot them.
Then there's ratelimiting and banning ip's that hit the ratelimit regularly. Use nginx as a reverse proxy, set rate limits for URLs where it makes sense, with some burst set, ban IPs that got rate-limited more than x times in the past y hours based on the rate limit message in the nginx error.log. Might need some fine tuning/tweaking to get the thresholds right but can catch some very spammy bots. Doesn't help with those that just crawl from 100s of ips but only use each ip once every hour, though.
Ban based on the bot user agents, for those that set it. Sure, theoretically robots.txt should be the way to deal with that, for well behaved crawlers, but if it's your homelab and you just don't want any crawlers, might as well just block those in the firewall the first time you see them.
Downloading abuse ip lists nightly and banning those, that's around 60k abusive ip's gone. At that point you probably need to use nftables directly though instead of iptables or going through ufw, for the sets, as having 60k rules would be a bad idea.
there's lists of all datacenter ip ranges out there, so you could block as well, though that's a pretty nuclear option, so better make sure traffic you want is whitelisted. E.g. for lemmy, you can get a list of the ips of all other instances nightly, so you don't accidentally block them. Lemmy traffic is very spammy…
there's so much that can be done with f2b and a bit of scripting/writing filters
crawler-user-agents/crawler-user-agents.json at master · monperrus/crawler-user-agents
Syntactic patterns of HTTP user-agents used by bots / robots / crawlers / scrapers / spiders. pull-request welcome :star: - monperrus/crawler-user-agentsGitHub
You mean for the referer part? Of course you don't want it for all urls and there's some legitimate cases. I have that on specific urls where it's highly unlikely, not every url. E.g. a direct link to a single comment in lemmy, and whitelisting logged-in users. Plus a limit, like >3 times an hour before a ban. It's already pretty unusual to bookmark a link to a single comment
It's a pretty consistent bot pattern, they will go to some subsubpage with no referer with no prior traffic from that ip, and then no other traffic from that ip after that for a bit (since they cycle though ip's on each request) but you will get a ton of these requests across all ips they use. It was one of the most common patterns i saw when i followed the logs for a while.
of course having some honeypot url in a hidden link or something gives more reliable results, if you can add such a link, but if you're hosting some software that you can't easily add that to, suspicious patterns like the one above can work really well in my experience. Just don't enforce it right away, have it with the 'dummy' action in f2b for a while and double check.
And I mostly intended that as an example of seeing suspicious traffic in the logs and tailoring a rule to it. Doesn't take very long and can be very effective.
GitHub - firehol/blocklist-ipsets: ipsets dynamically updated with firehol's update-ipsets.sh script
ipsets dynamically updated with firehol's update-ipsets.sh script - firehol/blocklist-ipsetsGitHub
I've repeatedly stated this before: Proof of Work bot-management is only Proof of Javascript bot-management. It is nothing to a headless browser to by-pass. Proof of JavaScript does work and will stop the vast majority of bot traffic. That's how Anubis actually works. You don't need to punish actual users by abusing their CPU. POW is a far higher cost on your actual users than the bots.
Last I checked Anubis has an JavaScript-less strategy called "Meta Refresh". It first serves you a blank HTML page with a <meta> tag instructing the browser to refresh and load the real page. I highly advise using the Meta Refresh strategy. It should be the default.
I'm glad someone is finally making an open source and self hostable bot management solution. And I don't give a shit about the cat-girls, nor should you. But Techaro admitted they had little idea what they were doing when they started and went for the "nuclear option". Fuck Proof of Work. It was a Dead On Arrival idea decades ago. Techaro should strip it from Anubis.
I haven't caught up with what's new with Anubis, but if they want to get stricter bot-management, they should check for actual graphics acceleration.
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Funnily enough, PoW was a hot topic in academia around the late 90s / early 2000, and it's somewhat clear that the autor of Anubis has not read much about the discussion back then.
There was a paper called "Proof of work does not work" (or similar, can't be bothered to look it up) that argued that PoW can not work for spam protection, because you have to support both low-powered consumer devices while blocking spammers with heavy hardware. And that is very valid concern. Then there was a paper arguing that PoW can still work, as long as you scale the difficulty in such a way that a legit user (e.g. only sending one email) has a low difficulty, while a spammer (sending thousands of emails) has a high difficulty.
The idea of blocking known bad actors actually is used in email quite a lot in forms of DNS block lists (DNSBLs) such as spamhaus (this has nothing to do with PoW, but such a distributed list could be used to determine PoW difficulty).
Anubis on the other hand does nothing like that and a bot developed to pass Anubis would do so trivially.
Sorry for long text.
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Then there was a paper arguing that PoW can still work, as long as you scale the difficulty in such a way that a legit user
Telling a legit user from a fake user is the entire game. If you can do that you just block the fake user. Professional bot blockers like Cloudflare or Akamai have machine learning systems to analyze trends in network traffic and serve JS challenges to suspicious clients. Last I checked, all Anubis uses is User-Agent filters, which is extremely behind the curve. Bots are able to get down to faking TLS fingerprints and matching them with User-Agents.
POW is a far higher cost on your actual users than the bots.
That sentence tells me that you either don't understand or consciously ignore the purpose of Anubis. It's not to punish the scrapers, or to block access to the website's content. It is to reduce the load on the web server when it is flooded by scraper requests. Bots running headless Chrome can easily solve the challenge, but every second a client is working on the challenge is a second that the web server doesn't have to waste CPU cycles on serving clankers.
POW is an inconvenience to users. The flood of scrapers is an existential threat to independent websites. And there is a simple fact that you conveniently ignored: it fucking works.
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Its like you didn't understand anything I said. Anubis does work. I said it works. But it works because most AI crawlers don't have a headless browser to solve the PoW. To operate efficiently at the high volume required, they use raw http requests. The vast majority are probably using basic python requests module.
You don't need PoW to throttle general access to your site and that's not the fundamental assumption of PoW. PoW assumes (incorrectly) that bots won't pay the extra flops to scrape the website. But bots are paid to scape the website users aren't. They'll just scale horizontally and open more parallel connections. They have the money.
You are arguing a strawman. Anubis works because because most AI scrapers (currently) don't want to spend extra on running headless chromium, and because it slightly incentivises AI scrapers to correctly identify themselves as such.
Most of the AI scraping is frankly just shoddy code written by careless people that don't want to ddos the independent web, but can't be bothered to actually fix that on their side.
You are arguing a strawman. Anubis works because because most AI scrapers (currently) don’t want to spend extra on running headless chromium
WTF, That's what I already said? That was my entire point from the start!? You don't need PoW to force headless usage. Any JavaScript challenge will suffice. I even said the Meta Refresh challenge Anubis provides is sufficient and explicitly recommended it.
And how do you actually check for working JS in a way that can't be easily spoofed? Hint: PoW is a good way to do that.
Meta refresh is a downgrade in usability for everyone but a tiny minority that has disabled JS.
And how do you actually check for working JS in a way that can’t be easily spoofed? Hint: PoW is a good way to do that.
Accessing the browsers API in any way is way harder to spoof than some hashing. I already suggested checking if the browser has graphics acceleration. That would filter out the vast majority of headless browsers too. PoW is just math and is easy to spoof without running any JavaScript. You can even do it faster than real JavaScript users something like Rust or C.
Meta refresh is a downgrade in usability for everyone but a tiny minority that has disabled JS.
What are you talking about? It just refreshes the page without doing any of the extra computation that PoW does. What extra burden does it put on users?
If you check for GPU (not generally a bad idea) you will have the same people that currently complain about JS, complain about this breaking with their anti-fingerprinting browser addons.
But no, you can't spoof PoW obviously, that's the entire point of it. If you do the calculation in Javascript or not doesn't really matter for it to work.
In the current shape Anubis has zero impact on usability for 99% of the site visitors, not so with meta refresh.
You will have people complain about their anti-fingerprinting being blocked with every bot-managment solution. Your ability to navigate the internet anonymously is directly correlated with a bots ability to scrape. That has never been my complaint about Anubis.
My complaint is that the calculations Anubis forces you to do are absolutely negligible burden for a bot to solve. The hardest part is just having a JavaScript interpreter available. Making the author of the scraper write custom code to deal with your website is the most effective way to prevent bots.
Think about how much computing power AI data centers have. Do you think they give a shit about hashing some values for Anubis? No. They burn more compute power than a thousand Anubis challenges generating a single llm answer. PoW is a backwards solution.
Please Think. Captchas worked because they're supposed to be hard for a computer to solve but are easy for a human. PoW is the opposite.
In the current shape Anubis has zero impact on usability for 99% of the site visitors, not so with meta refresh.
Again, I ask you: What extra burden does meta-refresh impose on users? How does setting a cookie and immediately refreshing the page burden the user more than making them wait longer while draining their battery before doing the exact same thing? Its strictly less intrusive.
No one is disputing that in theory (!) Anubis offers very little protection against an adversary that specifically tries to circumvent it, but we are dealing with an elephant in the porcelain shop kind of situation. The AI companies simply don't care if they kill off small independently hosted web-applications with their scraping and Anubis is the mouse that is currently sufficient to make them back off.
And no, forced site reloads are extremely disruptive for web-applications and often force a lot of extra load for re-authentication etc. It is not as easy as you make it sound.
Anubis forces the site to reload when doing the normal PoW challenge! Meta Refresh is a sufficient mouse to block 99% of all bot traffic without being any more burdensome than PoW.
You've failed to demonstrate why meta-refresh is more burdensome than PoW and have pivoted to arguing the point I was making from the start as though it was your own. I'm not arguing with you any further. I'm satisfied that I've convinced any readers of our discussion.
Something that hasn't been mentioned much in discussions about Anubis is that it has a graded tier system of how sketchy a client is and changing the kind of challenge based on a a weighted priority system.
The default bot policies it comes with has it so squeaky clean regular clients are passed through, then only slightly weighted clients/IPs get the metarefresh, then its when you get to moderate-suspicion level that JavaScript Proof of Work kicks. The bot policy and weight triggers for these levels, challenge action, and duration of clients validity are all configurable.
It seems to me that the sites who heavy hand the proof of work for every client with validity that only last every 5 minutes are the ones who are giving Anubis a bad wrap. The default bot policy settings Anubis comes with dont trigger PoW on the regular Firefox android clients ive tried including hardened ironfox. meanwhile other sites show the finger wag every connection no matter what.
Its understandable why some choose strict policies but they give the impression this is the only way it should be done which Is overkill. I'm glad theres config options to mitigate impact normal user experience.
Anubis is that it has a graded tier system of how sketchy a client is and changing the kind of challenge based on a a weighted priority system.
Last I checked that was just User-Agent regexes and IP lists. But that's where Anubis should continue development, and hopefully they've improved since. Discerning real users from bots is how you do proper bot management. Not imposing a flat tax on all connections.
I don't mind Anubis but the challenge page shouldn't really load an image. It's wasting extra bandwidth for nothing.
Just parse the challenge and move on.
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A HTTP get request is a few hundred bytes. The response is 28KB. Thats 280x. If a large botnet wanted to denial of service an Anubis protected site, requesting that image could be enough.
Ideally, Anubis should serve as little data as possible until the POW is completed. Caching the POW algorithm (and the image) to a CDN would also mitigate the issue.
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with a bit of code-golfing, the data served by Anubis directly prior to POW could be a few hundred bytes, without impacting its functionality.
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It's actually a brilliant monetization model. If you want to use it as is, it's free, even for large corporate clients.
If you want to get rid of the puppygirls though, that's when you have to pay.
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At the time of commenting, this post is 8h old. I read all the top comments, many of them critical of Anubis.
I run a small website and don't have problems with bots. Of course I know what a DDOS is - maybe that's the only use case where something like Anubis would help, instead of the strictly server-side solution I deploy?
I use CrowdSec (it seems to work with caddy btw). It took a little setting up, but it does the job.
(I think it's quite similar to fail2ban in what it does, plus community-updated blocklists)
Am I missing something here? Why wouldn't that be enough? Why do I need to heckle my visitors?
Despite all that I still had a problem with bots knocking on my ports spamming my logs.
By the time Anubis gets to work, the knocking already happened so I don't really understand this argument.
If the system is set up to reject a certain type of requests, these are microsecond transactions of no (DDOS exception) harm.
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If crowdsec works for you thats great but also its a corporate product whos premium sub tier starts at 900$/month not exactly a pure self hosted solution.
I'm not a hypernerd, still figuring all this out among the myriad of possible solutions with different complexity and setup times. All the self hosters in my internet circle started adopting anubis so I wanted to try it. Anubis was relatively plug and play with prebuilt packages and great install guide documentation.
Allow me to expand on the problem I was having. It wasnt just that I was getting a knock or two, its that I was getting 40 knocks every few seconds scraping every page and searching for a bunch that didnt exist that would allow exploit points in unsecured production vps systems.
On a computational level the constant network activity of bytes from webpage, zip files and images downloaded from scrapers pollutes traffic. Anubis stops this by trapping them in a landing page that transmits very little information from the server side. By traping the bot in an Anubis page which spams that 40 times on a single open connection before it gives up, it reduces overall network activity/ data transfered which is often billed as a metered thing as well as the logs.
And this isnt all or nothing. You don't have to pester all your visitors, only those with sketchy clients. Anubis uses a weighted priority which grades how legit a browser client is. Most regular connections get through without triggering, weird connections get various grades of checks by how sketchy they are. Some checks dont require proof of work or JavaScript.
On a psychological level it gives me a bit of relief knowing that the bots are getting properly sinkholed and I'm punishing/wasting the compute of some asshole trying to find exploits my system to expand their botnet. And a bit of pride knowing I did this myself on my own hardware without having to cop out to a corporate product.
Its nice that people of different skill levels and philosophies have options to work with. One tool can often complement another too. Anubis worked for what I wanted, filtering out bots from wasting network bandwith and giving me peace of mind where before I had no protection. All while not being noticeable for most people because I have the ability to configure it to not heckle every client every 5 minutes like some sites want to do.
If crowdsec works for you thats great but also its a corporate product
It's also fully FLOSS with dozens of contributors (not to speak of the community-driven blocklists). If they make money with it, great.
not exactly a pure self hosted solution.
Why? I host it, I run it. It's even in Debian Stable repos, but I choose their own more up-to-date ones.
Allow me to expand on the problem I was having. It wasnt just that I was getting a knock or two, its that I was getting 40 knocks every few seconds scraping every page and searching for a bunch that didnt exist that would allow exploit points in unsecured production vps systems.
- Again, a properly set up WAF will deal with this pronto
- You should not have exploit points in unsecured production systems, full stop.
On a computational level the constant network activity of bytes from webpage, zip files and images downloaded from scrapers pollutes traffic. Anubis stops this by trapping them in a landing page that transmits very little information from the server side.
- And instead you leave the computations to your clients. Which becomes a problem on slow hardware.
- Again, with a properly set up WAF there's no "traffic pollution" or "downloading of zip files".
Anubis uses a weighted priority which grades how legit a browser client is.
And apart from the user agent and a few other responses, all of which are easily spoofed, this means "do some javascript stuff on the local client" (there's a link to an article here somewhere that explains this well) which will eat resources on the client's machine, which becomes a real pita on e.g. smartphones.
Also, I use one of those less-than-legit, weird and non-regular browsers, and I am being punished by tools like this.
All the self hosters in my internet circle started adopting anubis so I wanted to try it. Anubis was relatively plug and play with prebuilt packages
edit: I feel like this part of OP's argument needs to be pointed out, it explains so much:
All the self hosters in my internet circle started adopting anubis so I wanted to try it. Anubis was relatively plug and play with prebuilt packages
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why? I run it.
Mmm how to say this. i suppose what I'm getting at is like a philosophy of development and known behaviors of corporate products.
So, here's what I understand about crowdsec. Its essentially like a centralized collection of continuously updated iptable rules and botscanning detectors that clients install locally.
In a way its crowd sourcing is like a centralized mesh network each client is a scanner node which phones home threat data to the corporate home which updates that.
Notice the optimal word, centralized. The company owns that central home and its their proprietary black box to do what they want with. And so you know what for profit companies like to do to their services over time? Enshittify them by
- adding subscription tier price models
- putting once free features behind paywalls,
- change data sharing requirements as a condition for free access
- restricting free api access tighter and tighter to encourage paid tiers,
- making paid tiers cost more to do less.
- Intentionally ruining features in one service to drive power users to use a different.
They can and do use these tactics to drive up profit or reduce overhead once a critical mass has been reached. I do not expect alturism and respect for usersfrom corporations, I expect bean counters using alturism as a vehicle to attract users in the growing phase and then flip the switch in their tos to go full penny pinching once they're too big to fail.
::: spoiler Crowdsecs pricing updates from last year
CrowdSec updated pricing policy
Hi everyone,
Our former pricing model led to some incomprehensions and was sub-optimal for some use-cases.
We remade it entirely here. As a quick note, in the former model, one never had to pay $2.5K to get premium blocklists. This was Support for Enterprise, which we poorly explained. Premium blocklists were and are still available from the premium SaaS plan, accessible directly from the SaaS console.
Here are the updates:
Security Engine: All its embedded features (IDS, IPS and WAF) were, are and will remain free.
SAAS: The free plan offers up to three silver-grade blocklists (on top of receiving IP related to signals your security engines share). Premium plans can use any free, premium and gold-grade blocklists. Previously, we had a premium and an enterprise plan with more features. All features are now merged into a unique SaaS enterprise plan. The one starting at $31/month. As before, those are available directly from the SaaS console page: app.crowdsec.net
SUPPORT: The $2.5K (which were mostly support for Enterprise) are now becoming optional. Instead, a client can contract $1K for Emergency bug & security fixes and $1K for support if they want to.
BLOCKLISTS: Very specific (country targeted, industry targeted, stack targeted, etc.) or AI-enhanced are now nested in a different offer named "Platinum blocklists subscription". You can subscribe to them, regardless of whether you use the FOSS Security Engine or not. They can be joined, tuned, and injected directly into most firewalls with regular automatic remote updates of their content. As long as you do not resell them (meaning you are the final client), you can use the subscription in any part of your company.
CTI DATA: They can be consumed through API keys with associated quotas. These are affordable and intended for use in tools like OpenCTI, MISP, The Hive, Xsoar, etc. Costs are in the range of hundreds of dollars per month. The Full CTI database can also be locally replicated at your place and constantly synced for deltas. Those are the largest plans we have, and they are usually destined to L/XL enterprises, governmental bodies, OEM & hardware vendors.
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Whilst I'm pleased to see it made clearer, £290 a year for each security engine is still far too expensive for me to consider it.
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We get that £290 is too high for individual home labs. Those offers are made for companies.
Free tier features should cover homelabs correctly.
Features that are oriented for enterprise clients.
If a company cannot invest $300 yearly in its security, no judgment and the free tier will still be very helpful until it recovers some budget margins to strengthen its security posture.
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Any idea why we dont have any good free / freemium (max $5 per month) app yet. Reason am asking - adguard, urigin etc had filters which matches js/domains and filters them out. Same logic can be applied atleast for the ip lists - so that these ips cann be added to iptables to block. A lot of things are easy to make. The tough ones are things like scenarios and may be ssh bw etc. I wonder why no real competition.
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hi u/ElizabethThomas44
Well you actually do. To date, for free, you get:
* the security engine (IDS/IPS/WAF)
* all scenarios
* the blocklist of IPs you are participating to detect when you use scenarios and share signals
* the free tier of the console
The IPs you automatically get for free are already added to your nftables or iptables using the related remediation component.
<TL/DR> You already have it.
(damn, personal reddit account, sorry, this is Philippe@CrowdSec)
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At the end of the day its not the thousands of anonymous users contributing their logs or Foss voulenteers on git getting a quarterly payout. They're the product and free compute + live action pen testing ginnea pigs, no matter what PR they spin saying how much they care about the security of the plebs using their network for free.
Its always about maximizing the money with these people your security can get fucked if they dont get some use out of you. Expect at some point the tos will change so that anonymized data sharing is no longer an option for free tier.
What happens if the company goes bankrupt? Does it just stop working when their central servers shut down? Does their open source security have the possibility of being forked and run from local servers?
It doesnt have to be like this. Peer to peer Decentralized mesh networks like YaCy already show its possible for a crowdsourced network of users can all contribute to an open database. Something that can be completely run as a local Node which federates and updates the information in global node. Something like it that updates a global iptables is already a step in the right direction. In that theoretical system there is no central monopoly its like the fediverse everyone contributes to hosting the global network as a mesh which altruistic hobbyist can contribute free compute to on their own terms.
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I"I dont see anything wrong with people getting paid" is something I see often on discussions. Theres nothing wrong with people who do work and make contributions getting paid. What's wrong is it isnt the open source community on github or the users contributing their precious data getting paid, its a for profit centralized monopoly that controls access to the network which the open source community built for free out of alturism.
The pattern is nearly always the same. The thing that once worked well and which you relied on gets slowly worse each ToS update, while their pricing inches just a dollar higher each quarter, and you get less and less control over how you get to use their product. Its pattern recognition.
The only solution is to cut the head off the snake. If I can't fully host all of the components, see the source code of the mechanisms at all layers, own a local copy of the global database, then its not really mine.
Again, it's a philosophy thing. Its very easy to look at all that, shrug, and go "whatever not my problem I'll just switch If it becomes an issue". But the problem festers the longer its ignored or enabled for convinence. The community needs to truly own the services they run on every level, it has to be open, and for profit bean counters can't be part of the equation especially for hosting. There are homelab hobbyist out there who will happily eat cents on a electric bill to serve an open service to a community, get 10,000 of them on a truly open source decentralized mesh network and you can accomplish great things without fear of being the product.
- CrowdSec Console
CrowdSec is an open-source and collaborative security stack leveraging the crowd power. Analyze behaviors, respond to attacks & share signals across the community. Join the community and let's make the Internet safer, together.app.crowdsec.net
With varnish and wazuh, I've never had a need for Anubis.
My first recommendation for anyone struggling with bots is to fix their cache.
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Anubis was originally created to protect git web interfaces since they have a lot of heavy-to-compute URLs that aren't feasible to cache (revision diffs, zip downloads etc).
After that I think it got adopted by a lot of people who didn't actually need it, they just don't like seeing AI scrapers in their logs.
Yes!
Also, another very simple solution is to authwall expensive pages that can't be cached.
AI scraping is a massive issue for specific types of websites, such as git forges, wikis and to a lesser extend Lemmy etc, that rely on complex database operations that can not be easily cached. Unless you massively overprovision your infrastructure these web-applications come to a grinding halt by constantly maxing out the available CPU power.
The vast majority of the critical commenters here seem to talk from a point of total ignorance about this, or assume operators of such web applications have time for hyperviligance to constantly monitor and manually block AI scrapers (that do their best to circumvent more basic blocks). The realistic options for such operators are right now: Anubis (or similar), Cloudflare or shutting down their servers. Of these Anubis is clearly the least bad option.
Sounds like maybe webapps are a bad idea then.
If they need dynamism, how about releasing a desktop application?
I also used CrowdSec for almost a year, but as AI scrapers became more aggressive, CrowdSec alone wasn’t enough. The scrapers used distributed IP ranges and spoofed user agents, making them hard to detect and costing my Forgejo instance a lot in expensive routes. I tried custom CrowdSec rules but hit its limits.
Then I discovered Anubis. It’s been an excellent complement to CrowdSec — I now run both. In my experience they work very well together, so the question isn’t “A or B?” but rather “How can I combine them, if needed?”
You are right. For most self-hosting usecases anubis is not only irrelevant, but it actually works against you. False sense of security and making your devices do extra work for nothing.
Anubis is though for public facing services that may get ddos or AI scrapped by some not targeted bot (for a target bot it's trivial to get over Anubis in order to scrap).
And it's never a substitute of crowdsec or fail2ban. Getting an Anubis token it's just a matter of executing the PoW challenge. You still need a way to detect and ban malicious attacks.
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yes, please be mindful when using cloudflare. with them you’re possibly inviting in a much much bigger problem
Great article, but I disagree about WAFs.
Try to secure a nonprofit's web infrastructure with as 1 IT guy and no budget for devs or security.
It would be nice if we could update servers constantly and patch unmaintained code, but sometimes you just need to front it with something that plugs those holes until you have the capacity to do updates.
But 100% the WAF should be run locally, not a MiTM from evil US corp in bed with DHS.
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Lol I'm the sysadmin for many sites that doesn't have these issues, so obviously I do..
It you're the one that thinks you need this trash pow fronting for a static site, then clearly you're the one who is ignorant
99% of the pages that Anubis is fronting are static.
It's an abuse if the tool that's harming the internet.
Please share if you know.
The only way I know how to do this is running a Tor Onion Service, since the tor protocol has built-in pow support (without js)
It's this one: git.gammaspectra.live/git/go-a…
the project name is a bit unfortunate to show for users, maybe change that if you will use it.
some known privacy services use it too, including the invidious at nadeko.net, so you can check there how it works. It's one of the most popular inv servers so I guess it cannot be bad, and they use multiple kinds of checks for each visitor
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Self-hosted abuse detection and rule enforcement against low-effort mass AI scraping and bots.GammaSpectra.Live Git
sure, but they have to maintain it.
Wazuh ships with rules that are maintained by wazuh. Less code rot.
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Inspired by this post I spent a couple of hours today trying to set this up on my toy server, only to immediately run into what seems to be a bug where <video> tags loading a simple WebM video from right next to index.html broke because the media response got Anubis's HTML bot check instead of media.
I suppose my use-case was just too complicated.
Browser verification triggers for specific type of media
Describe the bug I have a redlib instance running behind anubis and when trying to play GIFs, it fails. If I check out the response, it's just anubis trying to verify my browser instead of the medi...dieser-niko (GitHub)
I don't think you have a usecase for Anubis.
Anubis is mainly aimed against bad AI scrappers and some ddos mitigation if you have a heavy service.
You are getting hit exactly the same, anubis doesn't put up a block list or anything. It just put itself in front of the service. The load on your server and the risk you take it's very similar anubis or not anubis here. Most bots are not AI scrappers they are just proving. So the hit on your server is the same.
What you want is to properly set up fail2ban or, even better, crowdsec. That would actually block and ban bots that try to prove your server.
If you are just self-hosting with Anubis the only thing you are doing is deriving the log noise towards Anubis logs and making your devices do a PoW every once in a while when you want to use your services.
Being honest I don't know what you are self hosting. But at least it's something that's going to get ddos or AI scrapped, there's not much point with Anubis.
Also Anubis is not a substitute for fail2ban or crowdsec. You need something to detect and ban brute force attacks. If not the attacker would only need to execute the anubis challenge get the token for the week and then they are free to attack your services as they like.
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If I'd want to use any app that doesnt run in a webbrowser (e.g. the native jellyfin app), how would that work? Does it still work then?
Not hosting any page meant for public consumption anyway so it's not really important.
But thanks for answering 😀
If the app is just a WebView wrapper around the application, then the challenge page would load and try to be evaluated.
If it's a native Android/iOS app, then it probably wouldn't work because the app would try to make HTTP API calls and get back something unexpected.
So I guess the answer is no.
The creator is active on a professional slack I'm on and they're lovely and receptive to user feedback. Their tool is very popular in the online archives/cultural heritage scene (we combine small budgets and juicy, juicy data).
My site has enabled js-free screening when the site load is low, under the theory that if the site load is too high then no one's getting in anyway.
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Stop playing wack-a-mole with these fucking people and build TARPITS!
Make it HURT to crawl your site illegitimately.
I am very annoyed that I have to enable cloudflare's JavaScript on so many websites, I would much prefer if more of them used Anubis so I didn't have third-party JavaScript running as often.
( coming from an annoying user who tries to enable the fewest things possible in NoScript )
Jacob Zuma’s daughter resigns amid claims South Africans tricked to fight for Russia
A daughter of the former South African president Jacob Zuma has resigned as an MP, after being accused of tricking 17 South African men into fighting for Russia in Ukraine by telling them they were travelling to Russia to train as bodyguards for the Zumas’ uMkhonto weSizwe (MK) party.
Duduzile Zuma-Sambudla, 43, the most visible and active in politics of her siblings, volunteered to resign and step back from public roles while cooperating with a police investigation and working to bring the men home, the MK chair, Nkosinathi Nhleko, said at a press conference in Durban.
Jacob Zuma’s daughter resigns amid claims South Africans tricked to fight for Russia
Duduzile Zuma-Sambudla quits as MP after being accused of recruiting 17 men who are trapped in war-torn UkraineRachel Savage (The Guardian)
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Bazzite just delivered over a petabyte of ISOs in a single month
One of the best gaming Linux OSes just shifted 1,000,000 GB of ISOs in a single month
That's a lot of downloading.Simon Batt (XDA)
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So essentially you have a base system and you add what you need through flatpak, distrobox, homebrew, and if all else fails, by layering the packages on the base image with rpm-ostree.
What you can't do (that I'm aware of), is remove packages, or make bigger changes like adding another desktop environment aside what it came from. I mean, I guess you can do it by layering but it's probably messy.
Configuration and customisation are not an issue: /etc and /var are not immutable of course.
Distrobox is super cool btw, I knew it existed but Bazzite pushing me to use it was what I needed to finally try and appreciate it.
Airbus recalls 'significant' number of A320 jets after flight control incident
Airbus is recalling more than half of the jets in its global A320 fleet, which will disrupt thousands of flights around the world.
The company said the planes need an "immediate software change" to ensure flight control is sound.
The recall comes after a JetBlue plane’s nose dropped for several seconds without the pilot’s input during a flight in October, according to a European safety agency.
American Airlines says the news will disrupt more than 300 flights for its airline alone, while Air Canada says "very few" of its planes are affected.
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Turns out fighting fascism helps you live longer
A January study in the journal Social Science & Medicine found that volunteering slows down aging in retirees: the DNA of people who volunteered the equivalent of one to four hours a week showed distinctive biomarkers associated with decelerated epigenetic aging, with the most pronounced effects among retired people.
“People might do better, physically, psychologically, socially, if they have a role that they think is important and they identify with,” said Cal J. Halvorsen, a gerontological social work scholar at Washington University in St. Louis and one of the authors of the study. “In the American context, we take our jobs very seriously, and so we were curious if volunteering after retiring or when you’re no longer working might have a different effect on your epigenetic aging.”
That study is just part of a growing body of research on the health benefits of volunteering for retirees, a major benefit for older Americans who have mobilized for election defense and other core public services under attack. Another study published in February found that volunteering in early retirement among Americans also reduced rates of depression by around 10 percent—again, a more pronounced effect than in the general population.
Turns out fighting fascism helps you live longer
Retirees are mobilizing to defend democracy—and the benefits literally show up in their DNA.Mother Jones
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The headline is wholly unsupported by the study. They asked seniors if they volunteered at "religious, educational, health-related, or other charitable organizations", not political organizations. Even as noted in the article:
The work also keeps Williams sane. Following politics leaves her “ready to tear somebody’s hair out,” she said.
If anything, the stress of living under fascism probably shortens your life expectancy. Apparently living in a democracy increases it by 11 years, which probably outweighs the volunteering effect: sciencedirect.com/science/arti…
Aw man.....I misunderstood the point of this community.
I thought this was going to be a community for linux newbies, who come here and find little tips for how to better use linux. Like little tips and tricks to better use linux that are so addictive it's like crack.
Alas, no. This is a sub on how to download pirated linux games.
Which I'm still all here for, by the way. I just wish the community I envisioned ALSO existed. It would be like the first time I ever found out about the registry editor on windows XP.
I need THAT moment, but for linux. The moment where I figure out how to take control, and understand what I'm doing.
Because right now, I'm just distro hopping, but hating most of these options. Right now I'm looking at LMDE which is Mint without ubuntu. Also looking at Fedora. Also looking at Bazzite. And I've been using Zorin for a year now.
Outside of those, I hate every option I try. MX Linux was kind of good......but also really really annoying. HATED PopOS.
I'm just looking for tips that will help me understand "OOOOHHHH!!!! THAT'S how that works."
Like right now, I have no idea how updates work. I know there's repositories. I have no idea where these repositories are. I have no idea how my computer knows where these repositories are. I have no idea how to add or change my repositories. I have no idea what's in them.
That's just the tip of the iceberg of what I don't know. Terminal is just.......can we make a distro without the terminal please? Make it so you can download your own if you want to, but the culture around this distro would be terminal-less. That's the distro I want.
I want to have issues, that have solutions online that don't start with:
"Step 1, open terminal..."
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Step 2: Don't try to run before you can walk. Adding or changing repositories is a bad idea 99 times out of 100.
Step 3: STOP reading up on all the Linux controversies online. It's just an operating system.
Step 4: Stick with Zorin. Why? Simply because it's the distro you've been using for a year. Almost all Linux distros can do what any distro can do. Which one you use generally doesn't matter as much as you think. Stick with it until you run into something it can't do, and you know enough to know which other distro could do it better. It doesn't matter that it's based on Ubuntu, and Ubuntu is kind of meh. Don't worry about Snaps, Wayland or Systemd. Just install the programs you need and use your computer.
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Being real, Linux without terminal is kinda impossible. That being said, assuming you test compatibility via a live disc/drive before installing, you shouldn't need to use CLI often at all, and may never need to if you don't want.
However, when trouble does happen, you need that kind of access. You do on Windows as well, so it isn't like you're escaping it if you jump ship.
Not having a terminal program would be mind-numbingly bad. Any situation that you would need to use it, installing it would be harder, and maybe impossible. So, just don't open the damn thing if you don't want to use it regularly. There's a ton of gui options for almost everything these days. But you can't escape command line entirely on any os.
Repos are essentially what makes the various distros what they are, to an extent. They're curated software, and the address for whatever is maintained by the distro is already in there, and that's how it knows. Someone put it in.
If you're not comfy with CLI, you probably shouldn't fuck around adding repos tbh. Again, that being said, you'd find where to do so under the software/updates menu in mint. You find the box, type the info in, give your password, and Bob's your uncle. Thing is, that's not a decrease in steps compared to using command line, it's just different steps. The exact label to get there via gui may vary between distros, but it's in the "start" menu somewhere.
Updates are just a matter of the software connecting to the repo, checking to see what's new, then giving you the option to use them.
Legit, I totally understand the issue with using command line interfaces. My dyslexic ass hates trying to sort through the text. But it is a great tool. If anything every goes really wrong, you'll be glad it's sitting there ready.
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Instructions that start with "open terminal" are then followed by text commands to execute, all of which can be broken down and dissected to learn exactly what they are doing and why they are there. And generally, CLI tools, config files, etc have a very stable interface that doesn't change much over time (generalizing broadly; obviously there are some softwares with major changes which this does not apply to). Ultimately, they can be replicated very easily with copy/paste by the end user.
Instructions that are just a bunch of screenshots are subject to user error and whims of the softwares UI designers and your own personal look and feel settings.
Instructions that are "download this file and execute it" are how you fuck up your system with a difficult, possibly nonexistent, path to recovery.
So, I'd advise to get comfortable with the terminal and accept those instructions as the blessing that they are
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Software cracking (known as "breaking" mostly in the 1980s) is an act of removing copy protection from a software.
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OP, I have two things to consider:
- Your aversion to the terminal will make it extremely hard for you to learn linux. The point of the terminal is to tell the computer exactly what you want it to do. If you don't know what you want it to do, you probably shouldn't do it. As such I'd suggest you either buckle down and learn the hard way with something like Arch installed manually, or just stick with what you already know and let the knowledge be drip fed as time goes, using something that mostly just works. The tool is there, its meant to be used a certain way. Sometimes you can't treat every tool like a hammer.
- It sounds to me like you don't want to be on Linux. Maybe MacOS would be better suited for your taste if you really want to be on something unix-like instead of NT.
- Bonus round: Eyes are slower than fingers, eventually you'll be wishing there were a more efficient way, an easier way than fumbling through menus to hope you stumble upon the setting you're looking for. That way is the terminal.
Bread on Penguins just posted a really great resource for newbies to understand what they're doing better. Some of it is arcane, some of it will be super helpful for you.
Edit: I used the wrong the(ir/y're/re)
- YouTube
Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.www.youtube.com
Ignore this person OP, they're basically lost to the Void Linux, not understanding the whole world doesn't necessarily want to spend countless hours tweaking every little thing or even more hours troubleshooting. Sure I like it and have an Arch based laptop, but I'm still same enough to know that most people don't find that fun or nice &tc.
Just go with Bazzite if you want something easy to use that's hard to mess up with gaming, and use the Flatpaks. If you ever do one day feel like having a bit more control and tinker power though, I learned today Cachy is a good next step, since it's still very easy to use for gaming but is based on Arch.
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::: spoiler Fedora just works. Just do fedora workstation. Get on the current version, then always trail the new version by a couple of months, just so they have time to fix bugs.
The range of Linux is enormous. It is everything from small microcontroller-ish devices to cars, routers, phones, appliances, and servers. These are the primary use cases. Desktop is a side thing.
Part of the learning curve is that no one knows the whole thing top to bottom end to end at all levels of source. Many entire careers and PhDs and entire companies exist here. You will never fully understand the thing, but that is okay, you do not need to understand it like this.
The main things are that every distro has a purpose. Every distro can be shaped into what you want.
Fundamentally, Linux as the kernel is a high level set of command line tools on top of the hardware drivers required to run on most hardware. The Linux kernel is structured so that the hardware drivers, called modules, are built into the kernel already. There is actually a configuration menu for building the kernel where you select only the modules you need for you're hardware and it builds only what you need automatically based upon your selection. This is well explained in Gentoo in tutorial form.
Gentoo is the true realm of the masters. It has tutorial documentation, but is written for people with an advanced understanding and infinite capacity to learn. The reason Gentoo is special is the Portage terminal package manager. Gentoo is made to compile the packages for your system from source and with any configuration or source code changes you would like to make. This is super complicated in practice, but if you have very specific needs or goals, Gentoo is the place to go. Arch is basically Gentoo, but in binary form for people too lazy or incapable of managing Gentoo, but where they either already have a CS degree level understanding of operating systems or they are the unwitting testers of why rsync works so well for backing up and reloading systems. It is the only place you will likely need and use backups regularly. The other thing about arch is that the wiki is a great encyclopedia of almost everything. It is only an encyclopedia. It is not tutorial or ever intended as such. Never use arch as a distro to learn on. It is possible, but you're climbing up hill backwards when far easier tutorial paths exist.
Godmode is LFS, aka Linux From Scratch. It is a massive tutorial about building everything yourself. No package maintainers for you.
Redhat is the main distro for server stuff. It is paid. The main thing it offers is zero down time kernel updates. You never need to reboot. It transitions packages in real time. Most of the actual kernel development outside of hardware peripheral driver support happens at Redhat. Fedora is upstream of Redhat. They are not directly related, but many Fedora devs are Redhat employees. Fedora informally functions kinda like a beta test bed for Redhat. Most of the Redhat tools are present or available in Fedora. This is why the goto IT career path is through Fedora using The Linux Bible. So if you want to run server type stuff or use advanced IT tools, maybe try Fedora.
Here is the thing, you do not need to use these distros. They likely are of no interest to you. All of this bla bla bla is for this simple point, distros are not branding or team sports. They are simply pathways and configurations that best handle certain use cases. The reason you need to understand the specific use case is because these are like chapters of Linux documentation. How do I configure, schedule and automatic some package? Gentoo probably has a tutorial I will find useful. How do I figure out the stuff going on prior to init? LFS will walk me through it. What is init? Arch wiki will tell me.
On the other hand, there is certain stuff to know like how Debian is for hardware modules development, and mostly unrelated to the latter, building one off custom server tools. When you see Debian like on some single board computer where no other distro is listed, that means it probably isn't worth buying or messing with. It means the hardware is likely on an orphaned kernel that will never have mainline kernel support so it won't be safe on the internet for long.
That's another thing. Most of what is relevant is keeping a system safe to be online, meaning server stuff.
OpenWRT is the goto Linux for routers and embedded hardware. You can easily fit the whole thing in well under 32 megabytes of flash. It is a pain in the ass for even a typically advanced Linux terminal user, but that is Linux with a GUI too. The toolset is hard, and has little built in documentation by default.
With very early early 1970's+ personal computers, crashing and resetting computers was a thing. Code just ran directly on the memory. The kernel is about solving the issue of code crashing everything. The kernel creates the abstractions that separate the actual hardware registers and memory from the the user space tools and software so that your code bug does not crash everything. It is a basic set of high level user space commands and structures to manage a file tree, open, edit, and run stuff. In kernel space, it is the scheduler and process management that swaps out what is running when and where for both the kernel processes and separate user processes. The kernel is not the window manager, desktop, or most of the actual software you want to run.
The other non intuitive issue many people have is sandboxing and dependencies. Not all software is maintained equally. When some software has conflicting dependencies with other software, major problems arise. How you interact with this issue is what really matters and one size does not fit all or even most. This issue is the reason the many distros actually exist. Sandboxing, in almost every context you will encounter, is about creating an independent layer location for a special package's dependencies to exist without conflicts on your base host system. It is not about clutter management or security, just package dependencies. That is the main thing that each distro's maintainers are handling. The packages native in the distro already have their dependencies managed for you; they should just work. Maybe you want to use more specific or unrelated things. Well then you need to manage them. Nix is designed especially for this in applications where you need to send your configuration sandbox to other user. Alternatively, people use an immutable base like silverblue and run all non native software from sandboxed dependency containers.
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Crack tip number 1: The desktop environment you use is independent of the distribution. You don't have to switch to an entirely different distro if you don't like Gnome or KDE or LXDE or whatever. On 90% of distros installing another desktop environment is one command away.
Crack tip number 2: If you want to know what a command does run man command or google that. Use the arrow keys to scroll up and down /searchterm to search for a word and q to exit.
Crack tip number 3: Ask for help on Lemmy.
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With one hand you describe your desire to explore and tinker with the inner mechanics of operating systems (or at least your desktop environment). With the other your need for an OS to work just so without your configuration.
You can't have it both ways.
Three facts which may help you if you're able to accept yourself as the limiting factor:
1. GNU/Linux freedom means, among other things, the freedom to modify. This is why distributions exist. Someone had a strong enough preference to take on the burden of constructing an alternative which met those preferences "out of the box".
2. Everything you do in any GUI is executing commands for you.
3. Everything in Linux is a file descriptor. Differing design philosophies are one of the reasons (among many) that Microsoft created the Registry for Windows. Warren Young's response to a question about this topic on Stack Exchange is nigh exhaustive and well written. This might be the lightbulb you're looking for?
My point isn't to discourage you. I think almost everyone interested in exercising their agency in computing ought to be empowered to do so. That isn't without friction and hurdles though and, at least as far as I can see, never will be.
Graphical Applications have to be built by people. Those people have to understand programming and the CLI/terminal because, again, every GUI interaction is issuing a command to the system it runs on. Not everyone knows how to do that well and those that do cannot program those applications for every concievable use-case. This is why you're often instructed to fiddle with things via commands in a terminal. No one has built a GUI tool to help you with xyz yet so users have to issue the commands directly if they want xyz.
If you want that tool to exist then you'll either have to build it yourself and share it with the world or pay someone to do that for you. This would likely be a pull request to add a feature to a program.
There is no world in which an operating system exists without a terminal, however; you might be able to help build one within which the average user never has to open one. That'd take a lot of education, hard work, and use of the terminal to accomplish and maintain.
To know what you're doing: read the manual.
To take control: exercise what you learn from reading the manual.
If RTFM is too daunting a recommendation to start off with (no judgement! I get it) then start here instead:
tldp.org/FAQ/Linux-FAQ/index.h…
The Linux Documentation Project predates the Arch wiki (and it shows) but that has zero bearing on its utility for beginners.
I hope this helps!
A layman's explanation for "Everything is a file" — what differs from Windows?
I know that "Everything is a file" means that even devices have their filename and path in Unix and Unix-like systems, and that this allows for common tools to be used on a variety of resourcesStack Overflow
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Everything you do in any GUI is executing commands for you.Those people have to understand programming and the CLI/terminal because, again, every GUI interaction is issuing a command to the system it runs on.
No one has built a GUI tool to help you with xyz yet so users have to issue the commands directly if they want xyz.
There is no world in which an operating system exists without a terminal.
There seems to be an incorrect understanding of what a terminal is doing. A terminal typically runs a "shell" program, which accepts input from the user. Some of the inputs are "commands", which are either internal (run an internal shell function) or running a binary.
An operating system can exist that has a GUI and doesn't have a terminal. A terminal is an interface just as a GUI is. (GUI vs CLI). They are not interdependant. They are simply different ways of allowing a user to interface with a computer.
Using a terminal and running "ls" not necessarily "issuing a command directly" anymore than a clicking an "ls" button in a GUI and it running some variation of system.exec("ls") is. Both simply run a binary and output the results.
There's so much possibilities in customizating your OS.
Not possible to create user guides for gui features mostly. although Ubuntu tries
Step 1: create a file called silly.sh
Step 2: use the simple text editor to write "rm -fr ~" in it
Step 3: right click it and run with the terminal or bash or something, this changes depending on your DE.
Step 4: have fun.
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BTW don't actually do this
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Trump 'cancels' 92% of documents signed by Biden, Threatens perjury charges
Any document signed by Sleepy Joe Biden with the Autopen, which was approximately 92% of them, is hereby terminated, and of no further force or effect. The Autopen is not allowed to be used if approval is not specifically given by the President of the United
States. The Radical Left Lunatics circling Biden around the beautiful Resolute Desk in the Oval Office took the Presidency away from him. I am hereby cancelling all Executive Orders, and anything else that was not directly signed by Crooked Joe Biden, because the people who operated the Autopen did so illegally. Joe Biden was not involved in the Autopen process and, if he says he was, he will be brought up on charges of perjury. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
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Trump says US land action against alleged drug trafficking networks in Venezuela will start ‘very soon’
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President Donald Trump suggested Thursday that the United States is preparing to take new action against alleged drug trafficking networks in Venezuela, telling service members during a Thanksgiving call that efforts for strikes on land will be starting “very soon.”“In recent weeks, you’ve been working to deter Venezuelan drug traffickers, of which there are many. Of course, there aren’t too many coming in by sea anymore,” Trump told service members in the call.
“You probably noticed that people aren’t wanting to be delivering by sea, and we’ll be starting to stop them by land also,” the president continued. “The land is easier, but that’s going to start very soon.
“We warn them: Stop sending poison to our country,” Trump added.
Trump comments suggest he has made up his mind on a course of action in Venezuela following multiple high-level briefings and a mounting US show of force in the region earlier this month.
Trump designated Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and his government allies as members of a foreign terrorist organization earlier this week.
The designation of “Cartel de los Soles,” a phrase that experts say is more a description of allegedly corrupt government officials than an organized crime group, as a foreign terrorist organization will authorize Trump to impose fresh sanctions targeting Maduro’s assets and infrastructure. It doesn’t, however, explicitly authorize the use of lethal force, according to legal experts.
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/11/27/politics/trump-says-us-land-action-in-venezuela-very-soon
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He really thinks the Nobel Committee is as stupid as he is. He thinks they'll believe that he has brokered all these peace deals where there hasn't been any peace at all, and won't notice that he's starting all kinds of shit with all kinds of countries, including illegal attacks on Venezuelan fishing boats.
Oh yeah, and he changed the name of the Department of DEFENSE, to the the Department of WAR. That certainly sends the wrong message.
But none of that matters to him, because he still thinks he can demand, bully, strongarm, pressure, cheat, and bribe his way to a Nobel Prize, like he's done for everything else in his life.
Demo of Emissary's upcoming data migration tool.
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So what am I looking at? Is it this? github.com/EmissarySocial/band…
Is the transfer feature specific to Bandwagon, or is to the underlying platform, Emissary? github.com/EmissarySocial/emis…
I wonder how well it works for Lemmy. Emissary has some Mastodon-specific features, but apparently no Lemmy-specific ones.
- emissary.dev/protocols
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Crazy stuff!
But how is it moved? It copies the activities? Or really transfers them somehow?
Biometric 'human washing machine' cleans, dries and adapts to your mood
Japanese company Science is commercially producing its Mirai Ningen Sentakuki – Human Washing Machine of the Future – after an overwhelming response at the Osaka-Kansai Expo this year. Only 50 models will be made, with a price tag of US$385,000.
Trump to hand Putin Ukraine’s occupied territories
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US president sends envoys to Moscow with peace plan that recognises Russia’s war gainsVladimir Putin said legal recognition of occupied regions as Russian territory is one of the key issues in negotiations over Donald Trump's peace plan
Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump meet in Alaska in August 2025. Moscow says legal recognition of land it has conquered is a key issue in peace talks Credit: Andrew Caballero-ReynoldsThe United States is poised to recognise Russia’s control over Crimea and other occupied Ukrainian territories to secure a deal to end the war.
The Telegraph understands that Donald Trump has sent his peace envoy Steve Witkoff and son-in-law Jared Kushner to make the direct offer to Vladimir Putin in Moscow.
The plan to recognise territory, which breaks US diplomatic convention, is likely to go ahead despite concerns among Ukraine’s European allies.
One well-placed source said: “It’s increasingly clear the Americans don’t care about the European position. They say the Europeans can do whatever they want.”
Russia’s president on Thursday said Washington’s legal recognition of Crimea and the Donetsk and Luhansk regions as Russian territory would be one of the key issues in negotiations over the US president’s peace plan.
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Corrupt GLP-1 addicted motherfuckers!
I used to always defend the US (even before 2014) on pragmatic grounds and due to the history of the 20th century. Americans tend to be slow, but they eventually do the right thing. They've done a lot of bad, but unlike russia and China they've also had genuine successes in their foreign policy such as promoting long-term democracy and freedom in Germany, Japan, Poland, the Baltic nations.
After they recognize russia's annextion of Crimea, Lugansk and Donetsk oblasts, they are de facto on par with Nicaragua, Cuba or North Korea as far as I am concerned.
And this is not merely a matter of far right Americans, the American centre-right (both party elites and the vast majority of their supporters, albeit not all) is very much responsible too. Vast majority of centre-right Americans (I've lived there for several, and I have close centre-right friends) are too well off to support true anti-corruption measures, the type that would take down many of the oligarchs that are the nexus of chauvinistic propaganda and corruption that enabled Trump. One example from my time in the US was Obama deciding to completely avoid any anti-crime measures in the financial industry in 2008 (a unique, historical opportunity).
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Unofficial IETF draft calls for grant of five nonillion IPv6 addresses to ham radio operators
Would not massively deplete IPv6, might challenge internet governance
Unofficial IETF draft calls for grant of five nonillion IPv6 addresses to ham radio operators
: Would not massively deplete IPv6, might challenge internet governanceSimon Sharwood (The Register)
nonillion
noun
nō-ˈnil-yən
US : a number equal to 1 followed by 30 zeros
also, British : a number equal to 1 followed by 54 zeros
Ursini’s proposal asks for a mere 2^112^ addresses
Unless I'm mistaken, that would be 5192296858534827628530496329220096, or a bit more than 5 followed by 33 zeros, which is orders of magnitude different from both definitions. I wonder what this article's author is on about.
It should have been decillion, yes, but at this scale/context it doesn't make much of a difference.
44::/16 = 5,192,296,858,534,828,000,000,000,000,000,000 to be exact.
The Enshittification of Plex Is Kicking Off, Starting with Free Roku Users
And it's just going to get worse from here.
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