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3,751 likes, 241 comments - defendourjuries on November 27, 2025: "Opposing genocide is not terrorism. Make your choice. www.wedonotcomply.org".

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West Bank: Israeli troops kill two Palestinians after they appear to surrender

The Palestinian Authority says the killings are a "war crime", while an Israeli minister backed the soldiers.

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khannie

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Jesus. That video is grim. Straight up executions. 🙁

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Is the words "appear to" necessary?

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Digital Omnibus: How Big Tech Lobbying Is Gutting the GDPR

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Last week we at EFRI wrote about the Digital Omnibus leak and warned that the European Commission was preparing a stealth attack on the GDPR

Since then, two things have happened:

The Commission has now officially published its Digital Omnibus proposal.

noyb (Max Schrems’ organisation) has released a detailed legal analysis and new campaigning material that confirms our worst fears: this is not harmless “simplification”, it is a deregulation package that cuts into the core of the GDPR and ePrivacy.

What noyb has now put on the table

On 19 November 2025, noyb published a new piece with the blunt headline: “Digital Omnibus: EU Commission wants to wreck core GDPR principles”

Here’s a focused summary of the four core points from noyb’s announcement, in plain language:

New GDPR loophole via “pseudonyms” and IDs

The Commission wants to narrow the definition of “personal data” so that much data under pseudonyms or random IDs (ad-tech, data brokers, etc.) might no longer fall under the GDPR.

This would mean a shift from an objective test (“can a person be identified, directly or indirectly?”) to a subjective test (“does this company currently want or claim to be able to identify someone?”).

Therefore, whether the GDPR applies would depend on what a company says about its own capabilities and intentions.

Different companies handling the same dataset could fall inside or outside the GDPR.

For users and authorities, it becomes almost impossible to know ex ante whether the GDPR applies – endless arguments over a company’s “true intentions”.

Schrems’ analogy: it’s like a gun law that only applies if the gun owner admits he can handle the gun and intends to shoot – obviously absurd as a regulatory concept.

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Digital Omnibus: How Big Tech Lobbying Is Gutting the GDPR
Last week we at EFRI wrote about the Digital Omnibus leak and warned that the European Commission was preparing a stealth attack on the GDPR

Since then, two things have happened:

The Commission has now officially published its Digital Omnibus proposal.

What noyb has now put on the table
On 19 November 2025, noyb published a new piece with the blunt headline: “Digital Omnibus: EU Commission wants to wreck core GDPR principles”

Here’s a focused summary of the four core points from noyb’s announcement, in plain language:

New GDPR loophole via “pseudonyms” and IDs
The Commission wants to narrow the definition of “personal data” so that much data under pseudonyms or random IDs (ad-tech, data brokers, etc.) might no longer fall under the GDPR.

Therefore, whether the GDPR applies would depend on what a company says about its own capabilities and intentions.

Different companies handling the same dataset could fall inside or outside the GDPR.

For users and authorities, it becomes almost impossible to know ex ante whether the GDPR applies – endless arguments over a company’s “true intentions”.

Schrems’ analogy: it’s like a gun law that only applies if the gun owner admits he can handle the gun and intends to shoot – obviously absurd as a regulatory concept.

Weakening ePrivacy protection for data on your device

Today, Article 5(3) ePrivacy protects against remote access to data on your devices (PCs, smartphones, etc.) – based on the Charter right to the confidentiality of communications.

The Commission now wants to add broad “white-listed” exceptions for access to terminal equipment, including “aggregated statistics” and “security purposes”.

Max Schrems finds the wording of the new rule to be extremely permissive and could effectively allow extensive remote scanning or “searches” of user devices,ces as long as they are framed as minimal “security” or “statistics” operations – undermining the current strong protection against device-level snooping.

Opening the door for AI training on EU personal data (Meta, Google, etc.)

Despite clear public resistance (only a tiny minority wants Meta to use their data for AI), the Commission wants to allow Big Tech to train AI on highly personal data, e.g. 15+ years of social-media history.

Schrems’ core argument:

People were told their data is for “connecting” or advertising – now it is fed into opaque AI models, enabling those systems to infer intimate details and manipulate users.

The main beneficiaries are US Big Tech firms building base models from Europeans’ personal data.

The Commission relies on an opt-out approach, but in practice:

Companies often don’t know which specific users’ data are in a training dataset.

Users don’t know which companies are training on their data.

Realistically, people would need to send thousands of opt-outs per year – impossible.

Schrems calls this opt-out a “fig leaf” to cover fundamentally unlawful processing.

On top of training, the proposal would also privilege the “operation” of AI systems as a legal basis – effectively a wildcard: processing that would be illegal under normal GDPR rules becomes legal if it’s done “for AI”. Resulting in an inversion of normal logic: riskier technology (AI) gets lower, not higher, legal standards.

Cutting user rights back to almost zero – driven by German demands

The starting point for this attack on user rights is a debate in Germany about people using GDPR access rights in employment disputes, for example to prove unpaid overtime. The German government chose to label such use as “abuse” and pushed in Brussels for sharp limits on these rights. The Commission has now taken over this line of argument and proposes to restrict the GDPR access right to situations where it is exercised for “data protection purposes” only.

In practice, this would mean that employees could be refused access to their own working-time records in labour disputes. Journalists and researchers could be blocked from using access rights to obtain internal documents and data that are crucial for investigative work. Consumers who want to challenge and correct wrong credit scores in order to obtain better loan conditions could be told that their request is “not a data-protection purpose” and therefore can be rejected.

This approach directly contradicts both CJEU case law and Article 8(2) of the Charter of Fundamental Rights. The Court has repeatedly confirmed that data-subject rights may be exercised for any purpose, including litigation and gathering evidence against a company. As Max Schrems points out, there is no evidence of widespread abuse of GDPR rights by citizens; what we actually see in practice is widespread non-compliance by companies. Cutting back user rights in this situation shifts the balance even further in favour of controllers and demonstrates how detached the Commission has become from the day-to-day reality of users trying to defend themselves.

EFRI’s take: when Big Tech lobbying becomes lawmaking

For EFRI, the message is clear: the Commission has decided that instead of forcing Big Tech and financial intermediaries to finally comply with the GDPR, it is easier to move the goalposts and rewrite the rules in their favour. The result is a quiet but very real redistribution of power – away from citizens, victims, workers and journalists, and towards those who already control the data and the infrastructure. If this package goes through in anything like its current form, it will confirm that well-organised corporate lobbying can systematically erode even the EU’s flagship fundamental-rights legislation. That makes it all the more important for consumer organisations, victim groups and digital-rights advocates to push back – loudly, publicly and with concrete case stories – before the interests of Big Tech are permanently written into EU law.

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Israeli forces execute two surrendered Palestinians at point-blank range

Israeli forces executed two unarmed Palestinians at point-blank range after they surrendered in the occupied West Bank city of Jenin on Thursday.

The killings were captured on video, which showed the two men emerging from a building with their arms raised and their shirts lifted, clearly indicating they were unarmed and posed no threat to the soldiers.

The troops then shoot them dead.

The Palestinian Health Ministry identified the victims as Al-Muntasir Billah Mahmoud Qassem Abdullah, 26, and Yousef Ali Yousef Asa’sa, 37. They were shot in the Abu Dhahir neighborhood of Jenin.

West Bank: Israeli forces execute two Palestinians at point-blank range

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[Video] Israeli occupation forces execute two unarmed Palestinians point blank after searching and detaining them in the West Bank near Jenin

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The #1 holocaust generator

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Therobohour

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How many people has the US killed in, lets say,the last 100 years?

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Jack

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Jail Conditions And Mortality: Death Rates Associated With Turnover, Jail Size, And Population Characteristics - PMC

In 2019, there were approximately ten million admissions to more than 3,000 US jails—facilities that had become increasingly deadly in the prior decades. Between 2000 and 2019, jail mortality rose by approximately 11 percent. Although incarceration .

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Warl0k3

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Those... look it's NOT hard to find data to show the death toll for the US, so why did you go with such horrible examples?

There is no widely agreed on figure for the number of people that have been killed so far in the war on terror as the Bush Administration has defined it to include the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, and operations elsewhere. According to Joshua Goldstein, an international relations professor at the American University, the global war on terror has seen fewer war deaths than any other decade in the past century.

Like beyond how rough the numbers are: the wiki pages all include the total death counts, but those are both coalition wars and the total deaths are not broken down at all. This data exists, you can find it, but you can't find it there so why use it?

Similarly, the paper on jail deaths very much does not answer the question, as it is an analytical study on the impact of jail conditions on mortality and explicitly does not address the causal conditions of those deaths:

[...] health and mortality data for people who are incarcerated or in police custody have been shown to be “incomplete…incorrect… [and] anachronistic,”42 and jail data may underestimate deaths or contain inaccuracies related to causes of death. Finally, the associations found in the study do not suggest causality.

It is not hard to show what you want to show. By instead providing such poor quality sources, you undermine the credibility of your point to a spectacular degree. Like. Just use real numbers? Hell, it's not hard to find very reasonable estimates on death tolls from imperialism itself. But notoriously vague values from sources that explicitly clarify their own imprecision is just a terrible way to approach this.

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Saapas

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For anyone wondering about the total, I didn't see the number of deaths in the jail article but Vietnam War and War on Terror high estimates for the total for all sides, including civilians comes to around 7 million.

I expected more tbh. That's rookie numbers, pretty sure Nazi Germany killed way more and even someone like Mao alone drwafs those numbers. Smdh USA are you even trying

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Warl0k3

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Death toll in the jail article is ~1029 yearly, if its explicitly stated I didn't see it. That was calculated from the figures given (total pop 735k * death rate of 1.4/1000) (That number is wrong, as stated in the article the actual rate is likely to be slightly higher because they had to exclude a great many sources from their sample due to bad or questionable data).

It should be noted that those deaths aren't divided by cause: police muders, inmate violence, deaths from pre-existing conditions, lightning strikes, deaths from conditions exacerbated by the quality of care available in the prision, dying from old age, fatal infections from rusty stairs, deaths from food poisoning, fatal allergic reactions to bee-stings, suicides etc. are all lumped together because they're all relevant to the conclusions of the study, but aren't necessarily relevant here.

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dessalines.github.io/essays/us…

List of Atrocities committed by US authorities

A few essays on communism

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Therobohour

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Great reply,good answer. A fuck tonne it seems

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Chloé 🥕

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it’s even (at least partially) responsible for the other two!

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VoxAliorum

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... calling them partially responsible for the Nazi genocide is a stretch at best. If I am wrong feel free to educate me with a source.

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Chloé 🥕

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i’m saying this because the nazis were greatly inspired by the usa’s genocide of Indigenous people for the holocaust, that’s why i wrote "partially" (as opposed to the Gaza genocide, where the usa’s responsibility is much more direct)

obviously I’m not denying the agency and responsibility of germany in the holocaust

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VoxAliorum

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Ah, I see! I didn't consider that.I just thought about active evolvement by either supporting the government or supporting the genocide directly and couldn't think of a thing. But I get it now. Not sure if I would call that partly responsible, but that's semantics in the end.

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Statesian companies supported the Third RIch

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The concept of "Lebensraum" literally stems from Manifest Destiny.

The Hitlerites were also very impressed by the Jim Crow laws and racial segregation in the USA

Spectre via Memes

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Capitalism is going to kill us all

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Infernal_pizza

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What I never understand is, do the billionaires not care about their own children? Or tbh even themselves at this point as it's happening so fast even they will be affected (although they can probably mitigate the effects by moving to one of their 500 houses that's in a safe zone)

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kindred

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although they can probably mitigate the effects by moving to one of their 500 houses that's in a safe zone

That's why they don't care.

Climate change hits the poorest first and hardest (see: hurricanes in the Caribbean and SEA).

Billionaires can fly in, enjoy the sunshine, fly out and not get a drop of water on their skin.

And they'll keep "outrunning" climate change on an individual level, and only feel it when it hurts their net worth*.

::: spoiler *
At which point, they'll just re-organize their investments to exploit clean energy subsidies and real estate wherever everyone is fleeing to when the coasts flood.
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Cowbee [he/they]

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Capitalism is kinda like a control system, if you aren't willing to do everything possible for profit you get outcompeted and fall. The billionaires at the top are the ones that truly believe they are doing right, and are building apocalypse bunkers for themselves and their immediate families.

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TankovayaDiviziya

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do the billionaires not care about their own children?

Ummm...no? I sincerely believe some people are inherently evil. Look at Elon Musk and how he treats his children.

I was watching a documentary on the nature of evil. There is an incarcerated serial killer who acknowledges what he did is evil and wrong, but he doesn't feel empathy. CT scan of his brain showed that the part of the brain associated with empathy is not really active. Having said that, I heard that the longer someone is in power, the more that their brain physiologically changes.

Of course it is more complicated and nurture still plays a role on the person's development, but I think sometimes nature is stronger.

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Aljernon

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Once down the dark path you begin, forever with it dominate your destiny.

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NuraShiny [any]

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The fact that every billionaire will gleefully kill you, me and everyone to make number go up would, if humans were even a little rational, be enough evidence for their immediate liquidation. Capitalism is providing the best evidence for it's own destruction and yet people just don't see it because they personally aren't starving and freezing right now.

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Clot

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If we dont get rid of capitalism, rich will be the last one to be affected by climate change. Proletariat is as shield for them to face wrath of climate change first

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OshaqHennessey

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They have bunkers, they have stockpiles of food and medicine, and they have staff to maintain it all. They fully believe they have the means and resources to insulate themselves from all consequences.

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cassandrafatigue

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Which they wont, but they believe they will.

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reagansrottencorpse

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We should start planning on fouling their air exchange systems now.

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TankovayaDiviziya

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I laughed when Milton Friedman thinks free market could prevent climate change through climate dividends and carbon tax. Good luck, boyo, your "greed is good" bullshit is what led us to here.

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shawn1122

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Didn't know much about the guy except that he's a Nobel laureate. Happened to come across a YouTube video where a curious college student asks him about how slavery and colonialism contributed to Western wealth. He had an elaborate answer but within it he actually said Britain did not have slaves and America did not have colonies (for the most part).

Nevermind the fact that America absolutely had slaves and Britain certainly had colonies (he was selective on who didn't have what), Britain absolutely did profit from slavery also.

He added on that Britain spent more on administering colonies than it gained extracting their resources which may be one of the stupidest arguments I've ever heard. How can someone that worships at the altar of capitalism not understand that greed was the obvious motivator? Or is it only the motivator when it fits his narrative?

If this is the messaging we get from our intellectuals, what hope does truth have?

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TankovayaDiviziya

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From cold hard rationale, Hayek and Friedman makes sense, but they do ignore reality that circumstances always change. Deregulation made sense at the time of 1970s oil crisis as the economy and welfare state stagnated, but we're now in the age of economic prosperity again, but the wealth is hoarded by the few and act as though austerity still matters.

Not entirely sure about why Friedman's claim that India was costing the British empire more to maintain, but it has also been repeated in many circles. I suspect that the data is not fully contextualised and repeated as if it's the absolute truth. An Indian historian countered the narrative, mentioning that if we include the period of private control of India by the British East India company, before India was formally taken over by the British state in 1858, the total wealth plundered from India is about $1 trillion. The term "loot" is Indian origin, which became part of the English language after East India's violent colonisation. When the British public found out of about the brutal occupation by a private company and were enraged by it, the British state took over the formal administration. But this only happened well after committing crimes against humanity, after a state-sanctioned plunder and massacre that made their private owners and their government enablers rich, while the cost of running another country is taken over by tax payers. It's an early example of "privatise the profit, socialise the cost".

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shawn1122

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There are several estimates. Some as high as $45 trillion.

Friedman's take has been repeated in many Western circles.

As you've mentioned there were multiple members of Parliament who were directly invested in the EIC and made sizable profits. The EIC managed to extract explotative taxation during the Bengal famine of 1770 (promoting starvation) while shareholders increased their dividend from 10 to 12.5%. The massive transfer of wealth from India, the Atlantic slave trade and Opium sales to China essentially built Britain during this era. It was the seed capital of the industrial revolution.

The British Raj took over after the failed sepoy mutiny in mid 1800s. It was at this point Britain introduced the strategy of the 'civilizing mission', denigrating Indian culture as a justification to the British public to continue colonization. The British public accepted this. It was the independence movement in India that ultimately secured freedom (along with Nazi destruction of British infrastructure).

As we watch power and wealth slowly drift back from West to East and South, African, Indian and many other voices that speak truth on this matter will be heard more clearly.

Often times Westerners are not open to accepting voices from the global south on these matters and portray them as biased. I usual refer to the writings of historian William Dalrymple (the self admitted descendant of colonists) as a starting point to those that feel morally threatened by this history but want to learn more from someone who doesn't feel too foreign.

For those that are open to Indian voices, Sashi Tharoor's writings or his YouTube series 'Imperial Receipts' does a good job capturing the history and scale of extraction.

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Aljernon

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Income from India is the main driver of 18 century British naval dominance but even if we exclude India and the sugar growing Caribbean islands, there was tons of British colonial possessions that didn't directly contribute to the treasury enough to cover expenditures but still benefited the Empire economically and enriched upperclass brits individually. There are maybe a handful of remote islands that could be considered charitable to add to the British Empire; exploitation was the name of the game everywhere else.

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shawn1122

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Where I'd say Friedman is arguing in bad faith is that the obvious goal of colonialism is value extraction by force or coercion. He may argue that due to inefficiency or resistance it didn't actually produce significant wealth for Britain but the evidence shows otherwise.

That or he may argue that the East India Company (the origin of multinational capitalism) was not colonialism which would be divergent from historical consensus.

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Aljernon

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Fun fact, Britain had to create taxes in it's East African colonies not to raise income but because British economic interests struggled to recruit workers from people who had everything they needed without the British. Forcing them to pay taxes in currency forced them to accept employment to acquire that currency.

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shawn1122

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We call that extortion in our part of the world. I assume the British call it that today too.

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Aljernon

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I'd say coerced wage slavery.

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presoak

in reply to TankovayaDiviziya • 2 settimane fa • •

Would you prefer that all economic action be dictated and we all work for the government?

That might actually be nice.

Might just merge corporations with government then. Might be an end to billionaires.

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TankovayaDiviziya

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Found a fascist.

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presoak

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And I found a fool

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TankovayaDiviziya

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A one day old account defending imperial capitalism. Sure you aren't fascist.

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presoak

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Wouldn't that make me an imperial capitalist?

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Cowbee [he/they]

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Collectivizing all production and distribution to satisfy the needs of everyone, ie socialism, is the answer. Not merging corporate and state power, which is the exact opposite.

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presoak

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It doesn't look like the opposite. It looks the same

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Cowbee [he/they]

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It's the opposite, because in socialism the working classes are in control and production and distribution are collectivized, to satisfy the needs of all. In your fascist example, corporations are entrenched in the state, giving capitalists far more power without collectivizing production and distribution, retaining production for profit.

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presoak

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In both cases you have a monolithic organization running the whole show. What you call it makes little difference. And the people in charge will be of the same type.

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Cowbee [he/they]

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No, this is fundamentally wrong, akin to saying NATO and doctors without borders are the same thing. If you erase every distinguishing characteristic and just look at things as "organizations" with no further investigation, you absolutely ruin your viewpoint. I already explained how a wide gulf separates fascism and socialism.

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presoak

in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • 2 settimane fa • •

Well all right then

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Amnesigenic

in reply to presoak • 2 settimane fa • •

Get your eyes checked kiddo

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orioler25

in reply to Spectre • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

I get this is a meme, but it is trying to talk about something serious. It's worth saying that fatalist arguments are actually beneficial to liberalism and capitalism. Capitalism is not going to kill us all, humans are exceptionally durable. Capitalism intends to kill us all though, whether through the dehumanization it requires to function or its inability to contend with the material limitations of reality. Climate change mitigation is a discussion around minimising the harm this system causes while it dies, and liberals often subscribe to fatalist narratives because they dont truly imagine a world that is not capitalist as one worth living in.

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cassandrafatigue

in reply to orioler25 • 2 settimane fa • •

Capitalism will make the earth uninhabitable. That will kill us all. If you care about the future, you are thinking about how to murder an oligarch.

Any other kind of 'planning' for the future is delusional clown shit. Just chill the fuck out and do unreasonable amounts of drugs.

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orioler25

in reply to cassandrafatigue • 2 settimane fa • •

No, Capitalism will not make the Earth uninhabitable. It will kill very many things the longer it is part of our world, but you are subscribing to a liberal fatalist narrative that constructs the future as definitively destroyed because it does not resemble the world we live in. It's doomer shit that is painfully white.

How you got, "we don't need to end capitalism" I have no responsibility for. If I say it isnt infinitely powerful but must end as quickly as possible, what exactly do you think I'm advocating for?

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cassandrafatigue

in reply to orioler25 • 2 settimane fa • •

Oh you're just basing everything on wishful thinking and vibes. Okay.

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orioler25

in reply to cassandrafatigue • 2 settimane fa • •

My brother in Christ, you people are talking about capitalism as though it were a god. Have none of you seriously thought about like, doing something even when the world is less livable? Do you think everyone will just lay down and die because the world isn't as nice as it is today?

This is not "wishful." This is fucking reality. Right this moment, you are working on a fantasy that is only appealing to settlers who would rather die than live in a world they are not comfortable in.

So fucking tired of liberals here insisting that people should die because they only pretend to want to give up this way of life.

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cassandrafatigue

in reply to orioler25 • 2 settimane fa • •

You're talking about earth as if its a guarantee, not an incredibly fragile complicated thing.

Best case scenario, we fix everything today², the next century or three is going to be rougher than you can really imagine. If it's not already too late to salvage-and it may be; we don't know for sure. Every moment we stay on this course things get worse. There's a lot we dont understand and every new revelation seems to amount to us being more fucked than we thought.

We cannot fix anything before killing most/all of the oligarchs. They wont let us. No amount of cutting back and going green and switching to passive systems with society built around vegan electric trains matters a single fuck while oligarchs are still poisoning every option and building new coal plants to power the machine that murders truth. Portions of the planet are already becoming uninhabitable.

Your insults are nonsense. You are not serious. Your hysterical climate denialism is an unwillingness to choose between killing the fuckers making the problem so the rest of us can crack down and fix our shit, or a graceful death. You're disgusting insistence that I kill myself¹ while insisting 'I'm not doing that and that my slave morality should be coddled' is absolutely devoid of virtue. Kill yourself if you like, but don't insist that those who dont are random words people called you in a mean voice, shitlib.

¹the current plan. Hence the drugs. I don't love any of you enough to die violently for a world I'm not gonna see unless i think the rest of you would follow through, and you wouldn't.

²go real hard on walkability and electric trains. Cars straight up get disassembled where they're currently parked and scrapped via cargo bike. Meat is off the shelves. No more commercial flights. No more disposable bullshit. Every spare hand to reclamation and remediation projects. Everything switched over to passive systems in all new construction. Maybe no more concrete.

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orioler25

in reply to cassandrafatigue • 2 settimane fa • •

I actually had to read all of that because I cannoy believe someone is this intentionally misunderstanding. You seriously have to actually read about the shit you talk about because your usable knowledge is obviously very slim despite your confidence.

You are fighting people who are not in this comment thread. Not only did I never say capitalists (no, not "oligarchs" like this is about individuals and not a system) should not be killed, I asked you to actually think about why youre making this incomprehensible assumption in the context of my comments. What do you think I mean when I say capitalism is both fragile and an immediate threat? Slave morality? You're not even talking about anything at that point; it's so contained to your own misunderstanding of what has been said here.

It is incredible to hear someone so dedicated to the settler way of life call me a lib. Blocked.

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BrainInABox

in reply to cassandrafatigue • 2 settimane fa • •

I think that claiming we have no responsibility to plan ahead because we're all doomed, so we can just "chill the fuck out and do unreasonable amounts of drugs" is more wishful thinking and vibes than anything

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cassandrafatigue

in reply to BrainInABox • 2 settimane fa • •

Kill the wealthy, or there is no future and all your 'plans' are make believe bullshit with a victim blaming edge. If that is not step 0, you are not serious, fuck off.

Or chill the fuck out and die with dignity, stop wasting my unfortunately limited time and yours. Smoke em while you got em. Nothing matters.

These are the only not-bullshit options. What you do after killing the oligarchs is the only place where any plan that fixes anything can matter for shit.

I could maybe get one, if I'm lucky. There are thousands. It's not many, but I dont think there are thousands of people who arent completely chicken shit, and I'm not willing to throw away my few years of abusing drugs for people who wouldn't even consider doing the same for me, especially if it wouldn't be enough to actually matter.

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Cowbee [he/they]

in reply to orioler25 • 2 settimane fa • •

Yep, that's why we need to have revolutionary optimism. Right now, incredible strides are being made by socialist countries like China to combat climate change and push for electrification and sustainability.

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Aljernon

in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • 2 settimane fa • •

Calling a country where the means of production are controlled by the upper classes "socialist" is a stretch even before we consider their mixed economy and rampant capitalism.

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Cowbee [he/they]

in reply to Aljernon • 2 settimane fa • •

Public ownership is the principle aspect of their economy, and a working class party has domination over their state. The large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly publicly owned, with massive state owned enterprises forming the backbone of their economy. Private, cooperative, and joint-stock ownership covers mostly the small and medium firms, and the larger of these are heavily controlled and influenced by the CPC.

As for being "mixed," all economies are mixed, that doesn't mean we can't identify what the principle aspect of the economy is. Socialism isn't a "pure" mode of production, and neither is capitalism, you don't have X% capitalism, Y% socialism, etc. That's not how modes of production work.

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Aljernon

in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • 2 settimane fa • •

Saying the public has ownership implies that they have some control of it which certainly isn't true. It's more like a Palace economy than anything.

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Cowbee [he/they]

in reply to Aljernon • 2 settimane fa • •

The government is democratically run, and the working class is in control of it. It absolutely is true.

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Aljernon

in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • 2 settimane fa • •

That's just delusional.

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Cowbee [he/they]

in reply to Aljernon • 2 settimane fa • •

No? China is a democratic country with more people haopy with it than western countries:

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-6-6-6-

in reply to Aljernon • 2 settimane fa • •

You're a delusional, rabid shitlib that is actively towing the line for a invasion of Venezuela by a hegemonic power that has over 200 military bases in the world while playing down the actual efforts of a socialist nation that has succeeded in nearly eliminating homelessness with a higher literacy rate, higher home-ownership rate and higher protein consumed per capita as demonstrable effects of socialist policy meant to assist and uplift the working class of the nation.

A large majority of those in China is a PART of the Communist Party of China and it has one of the highest government satisfaction rates in the entire world, despite the criticisms people can level at it rightfully or not. You tow the line for imperialism, deny the accomplishments of one of the most successful socialist experiments and have the right to call anything "delusional?"

Back to Reddit!

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Aljernon

in reply to orioler25 • 2 settimane fa • •

Someone's got their head buried in the sand. The number of critical problems that are gonna come to a head in the next 20 years that could collectively degrade the biosphere beyond supporting a substantial human population is nuts. It's not fatalist to say that billions could die and it's no consolation to the dead and their loved ones that "humans are exceptionally durable".

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orioler25

in reply to Aljernon • 2 settimane fa • •

Wow, two pompous dudes who assume they know everything but don't even bother to read.

Nothing you just talked about was said by me. Doomer shit, as in saying "all life will end" or even "all human life will end," is in fact liberal, settler, bs. It presumes that a world that is not conducive to human life as it exists is not one worth imagining and especially not building. It is a convenient dead end that absolves you of the responsibility to participate in mitigation and reconstruction because, of course, it's too late and even if it isn't it will be and capitalism is powerful enough to apparently sustain a collapse of supply chains. It is foolish.

Nowhere did I say people won't die, I emphasised that they do and actually value the lives of people who will more than some dude who does fucking nothing because I at least recognize that there is a way to mitigate the amount of people who do die. Additionally, I acknowledged that this is not limited to human life. Capitalism will not destroy all life on this planet, this is straight up reality. No, human systems are not equal in power to fucking cosmic events.

Capitalism does try to survive despite the obvious reality that a system dependent on infinite resources cannot exist in a finite material world. It will do so by killing more and more life until it dies, and it will die whether that is from human action itself or the eventuality of a world that refuses to sustain its existence through environmental change and yes, the collapse of crucial ecosystems.

I say humans are durable because we are, do you have any fucking clue how insane this way of life is in the context of life on this planet? Do you have any idea how close humans have come to extinction in the past exactly because of ecological change? You don't, you refuse to because all of that is terribly inconvenient for someone who doesn't want life to change.

Grow up and help. I won't read a response as it's obvious you didn't grant me that level of respect.

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Aljernon

in reply to orioler25 • 2 settimane fa • •

Settle down, Beavis

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Shanmugha

in reply to Spectre • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

Humans are have been killing each other over pettiest things for millenia before capitalism. So an ~ism is not the root problem

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sulgoth

in reply to Shanmugha • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

Buddy has a USSR ghost as his profile picture, I think he has a bone to pick with capitalism specifically.

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OshaqHennessey

in reply to Shanmugha • 2 settimane fa • •

Climate change goes beyond killing each other; it's killing our planet's ability to sustain our species.

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cassandrafatigue

in reply to OshaqHennessey • 2 settimane fa • •

I replied before checking instance; they're .world. Not really human. No point in arguing.

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Shanmugha

in reply to OshaqHennessey • 2 settimane fa • •

Okay, let me lay out my thought to you in a longer and more boring way: humans have been idiots with no regard to consequences of their actions throughout their history, so anyone interested in fixing any problem caused by how they act has to replace current population with more evolved (read: mature, intelligent and sensible) one, there can be no other way and wasting time on anger against this or that social framework is very foolish

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cassandrafatigue

in reply to Shanmugha • 2 settimane fa • •

'An ism'. This fucking folkism pretention can fuck right off. You dont even know the word for the thing you're talking about.

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Shanmugha

in reply to cassandrafatigue • 2 settimane fa • •

Lol. No point in talking to you, noted. Have a good day

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Nomorereddit

in reply to Spectre • 2 settimane fa • •

Thank God something is taking us out.
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Zerush

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Spectre
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Who wants war with Russia?

cross-posted from: lemmygrad.ml/post/9844277

#memes

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Joe

in reply to Spectre • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

Trust me, nobody here is itching for a fight with russia. Most of us just want to live our lives without worrying about a bully neighbour driving tanks (or riding donkeys, heh) over borders.

Ukraine isn’t fighting because we asked them to or because we want them to. They’re fighting because they woke up to an invasion.

And we will continue to support them because if you let a country grab land by force (let alone reward them for it, witkoff you idiot), it won't stop there. It makes the whole region less safe. So no, it’s not about wanting a war. It’s about trying to prevent a bigger one.

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BrainInABox

in reply to Joe • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

Fucking Europeans are in no position to complain about other countries grabbing land by force and getting away with it. It's rank hypocrisy to act like the antipathy to Russia has anything to do with principled opposition to "bullying neighbours" or "making the region less safe" when Europe is still shoveling money at Israel, protecting the people who butchered Iraq, Libya, Syria, and plenty more, and never found an American invasion they didn't support until they realized it might negatively affect them.

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Joe

in reply to BrainInABox • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

Western countries have absolutely earned a lot of the criticism they get. Iraq, Libya, and the good ol' US of A's approach to the Middle East are pretty glaring stains, and Israel’s conduct has raised (justified) outrage, enough that even its own leadership now faces ICC warrants. Europe isn’t some angelic bloc either; it’s just that it does have legal and political structures (ECHR, ICC support, actual protest cultures, real accountability mechanisms) that at least give people tools to contest state violence.

None of that makes Russian aggression suddenly noble. Pointing out Western hypocrisy doesn’t magically turn Putin into a principled anti-imperialist. He’s running an authoritarian system that jails dissent, murders critics and wages a war built on territorial revanchism complete with deliberately targeting civilians.

If I have to choose between flawed democracies with internal pressure valves, independent courts and protest movements… or authoritarian states that treat brutality as a virtue, then I’ll stick to pushing the countries and systems I’m actually part of to live up to their ideals.

Hypocrisy is a problem, but open militaristic authoritarianism is way worse. The answer to western failures isn’t to excuse someone else’s.

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BrainInABox

in reply to Joe • 2 settimane fa • •

Western countries have absolutely earned a lot of the criticism they get.

Yup, for instance they've earned the critism that they have no business claiming their opposition to Russia has anything to do with principles or morality.

None of that makes Russian aggression suddenly noble. Pointing out Western hypocrisy doesn’t magically turn Putin into a principled anti-imperialist.

Never said it did, so I can only assume you're saying this to attack a strawman.

He’s running an authoritarian system that jails dissent, murders critics and wages a war built on territorial revanchism complete with deliberately targeting civilians.

Which are all things that Europe both do and support when it's them and their allies doing it. What is your point?

If I have to choose between flawed democracies with internal pressure valves, independent courts and protest movements

All things that Europe emphatically does not represent when it comes to the middle east. Millions of Iraqis, Libyan, and Palestinians did not get to vote in your shitty rigged elections or get protected by your biased, billionaire owned courts when Europe decided to massacre them.

For that matter, Europe doesn't even grant those things domestically to people with actual leftist politics; the moment an actual leftist party attains any real viability, it's getting banned and it's leaders arrested. The moment you try to an effective protest movement that might actually affect change, you're getting beaten and arrested by armored storm troopers.

then I’ll stick to pushing the countries and systems I’m actually part of to live up to their ideals.

And by that you mean,: spruik them as righteous world police while demonizing their geopolitical enemies. You haven't achieved one iota of movement in pushing them to live up to their ideals and you've already moved on to declaring how much better they are then their enemies.

Let's be honest here; you're support for Europe comes from the fact that you personally benefit from their policies, not because their policies are more beneficial in general.

Hypocrisy is a problem, but open militaristic authoritarianism is way worse.

Mate, the hypocrisy is Europe's open support for militaristic authoritarianism! See, this is what I mean; you don't think open militaristic authoritarianism is a problem when Europe does it; you just don't like that the hypocrisy undermines Europe's self-granted Mandate from Heaven.

The answer to western failures isn’t to excuse someone else’s.

No one said it was, though you seem to be saying that the answer to Russian failures is to excuse the West.

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Joe

in reply to BrainInABox • 2 settimane fa • •

I think you are also treating every western action as if europe personally designed it, when in reality europe’s record is more mixed. It has responsibility for serious failures, but in most recent cases it was not the main driver. Libya is one of the few examples where european governments pushed an intervention themselves. In lots of others, like iraq or afghanistan (or the US's overall middle east approach), european states mostly followed the US out of strategic dependence rather than some unified desire to dominate the world. That does not make the outcomes less tragic, but it does mean europe isn't operating on the same logic as russia, which treats territorial expansion as a central political project.

That'a why I separate western crimes from the structure of the political systems behind them. Europe has elections that can actually change governments, courts that can and sometimes do push back, space for journalists, and protests that occasionally work. None of this helped people in iraq or gaza, which is exactly why those policies deserve criticism, but it still gives european citizens real levers to pressure their own governments.

Russia superglues those levers in place. Opposition is criminalised, media is destroyed, and elections are for show. That is not a small difference. It affects what citizens can realistically do and how the state behaves both at home and abroad.

So for me it is not about excusing the west or pretending europe is ‘moral’. It is simply that western hypocrisy does not magically turn russia’s invasion into something justified or admirable. I can condemn Iraq, Libya, Gaza and still condemn a war aimed at erasing a neighbour. That is not loyalty to Europe, it is just refusing the idea that one set of atrocities cancels out another.

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BrainInABox

in reply to Joe • 2 settimane fa • •

I think you are also treating every western action as if europe personally designed it

Nope, I'm just referring to the actions that Europe enthusiasticly supported and engaged in.

when in reality europe’s record is more mixed

No more mixed than Russia; but for some reason (chauvanism), you only engage in this kind of equivocation for Europe.

It has responsibility for serious failures

And that's the true hypocrisy of Europeans on display: other countries do bad things, but Europe just is "responsible" for "failures". It's not that Europe deliberately went out and did something bad, they're the good guys, after all! They were just trying to do the right thing and unfortunately failed!

It's disgustingly self serving. And solidly demonstrates my point.

but in most recent cases it was not the main driver.

And in many cases it was. Not that it matters that it "wasn't the main driver" when it still enthusiasticly participated and supported these actions. "Sure I helped operate the gas chambers, but they weren't my idea, I'm just a smol bean!"

In lots of others, like iraq or afghanistan (or the US’s overall middle east approach), european states mostly followed the US out of strategic dependence rather than some unified desire to dominate the world.

You would never in a million years attempt to make these kinds of disgusting excuses for anyone except Europe, and you know it. This is the break is hypocrisy and you know it. Russia also has it's strategic reasons for invading Ukraine, famously, but I'm betting you don't find that compelling. You only find my compelling when it's Europe going "we had to help commit genocide, it was in our interests!"

but it does mean europe isn’t operating on the same logic as russia,

Actually it means they operating on the exact same logic.

which treats territorial expansion as a central political project.

And Europe treats global domination by Western capitalist hegemony as a central political project, which is much worse.

That’a why I separate western crimes from the structure of the political systems behind them.

Yes, I've already noted that you hold a complete double standard. Now you're just coming out and saying it.

Europe has elections that can actually change governments

Bullshit: your elections are tightly run on rails to make sure that noone other than some flavor of liberal capitalist can win. Any time a serious leftist party becomes viable, it gets banned, or worse, all of the information people need to make informed decisions is filtered through media owned by oligarchs, and, must importantly of all; the people Europe fucks over the most don't get to participate in your bullshit elections. If Russians voted to invade Ukraine, would that be ok? They basically did; Putin is extremely popular, and all of the most popular opposition politicians also support the war in Ukraine. This is not at all different to Europes genocidal brutalization of the middle east.

courts that can and sometimes do push back,

Europe has not prosecuted a single one of its genocidal war criminals. Not one; most of them still walk around as prominent national figures. They're putting Tony Fucking Blaire in charge of Gaza.

and protests that occasionally work

In the sense that Europeans will express the against something they were after it has happened, just not in a way where they will compensate the victims or not do it again.

which is exactly why those policies deserve criticism, but

Stop. Stop this gross double standard. You would never in a million years do this for anyone other than Europe

but it still gives european citizens real levers to pressure their own governments.

Oh ok. That's much worse. That means that European citizens in general are responsible for the modern Holocaust they support. That makes Europe much worse than Russia.

Oh, but it makes you personally feel empowered, and you only give a shit any your personal interests, as I pointed out earlier.

Russia superglues those levers in place.

As opposed to Europe, where those levers are consistently fixed in the same place as Russia, but allegedly the citizens could move them if they chose to, but they don't. Which, again, is much worse.

Opposition is criminalised

Like every viable leftist party in European history.

media is destroyed

As opposed to simply giving oligarchs direct control of it, like Europe does.

and elections are for show.

Yeah, real elections are when you can choose between two ghoulish capitalists with the same genocidal foreign policy. And the people you exterminate aren't allowed to participate at all.

That is not a small difference

Correct, it's not a small difference: it's no difference at all.

but it still gives european citizens real levers to pressure their own governments.

I'm sure that means so much to the people of Iraq and Palestine. The people of the imperial core choose to exterminate them. This is just straight up white supremacy: genocidal violence isn't as bad if white people get to vote to commit it.

So for me it is not about excusing the west or pretending europe is ‘moral’.

Yes it is: you've demonstrated a whole sale double standard in the standard you apply so that you can excuse the West. A double standard of, essentially, "it benefits me personally, so it's brutalization of foreigners is not as bad"

It is simply that western hypocrisy does not magically turn russia’s invasion into something justified or admirable.

Literally no one ever said it did, as I already fucking told you

I can condemn Iraq, Libya, Gaza and still condemn a war aimed at erasing a neighbour.

Would you advocate for Russia retaliating against Europe for it's genocidal actions in Ha a, just as you advocate for Europe retaliating against Russia for its invasion of Ukraine? No, of course you wouldn't: you reserve that status of moral world police for Europe, because you have a double standard and do not actually condemn Iraq, Libya, and Gaza in the same way you condemn Russia. Even though what Europe is supporting in Palestine is even worse than the invasion of Ukraine, you treat it differently. It's just an "oopsie", a failure to live up the superior platonic European mortality you treat as axiomatic.

That is not loyalty to Europe, it is just refusing the idea that one set of atrocities cancels out another.

No, the loyalty to Europe is the gross double standard and the implication that Russian atrocities cancel out Europes worse atrocities.

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Joe

in reply to BrainInABox • 2 settimane fa • •

You are treating any distinction I make as if it is an attempt to portray europe as moral. It is not. europe has taken part in serious crimes and carries responsibility for them.

My point is that political systems are not identical. Europe’s structures are too often captured by interests and often fail, but they still allow for leadership changes, court rulings, investigations and public pressure. Even in eastern europe elections have been re-run and parties banned after proven foreign interference. These mechanisms are limited, but they exist. Russia removes them entirely.

Acknowledging this difference is not excusing western actions. It's also not claiming russia’s motives are justified. It's just recognising that foreign policy, internal structure and accountability aren't the same thing.

If your view is that any distinction is a double standard, then we are not working with the same categories, and there is no productive way to continue the comparison.

And back to the original theme - we don't want nor need war in europe, but russia (a fully captured state) seems hell bent on bringing it. I suppose that when it eventually falls, it will fall hard.

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RiverRock

in reply to Joe • 2 settimane fa • •

You got epistemolgoically toasted

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Joe

in reply to RiverRock • 2 settimane fa • •

Nah, the guy clearly has an agenda and can't control himself. I'm just trying to stay consistent.

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feverin

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Oh you are staying consistently cooked & euro-supremacist

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BrainInABox

in reply to Joe • 2 settimane fa • •

Classic white supremacist: their beliefs are just normal, everyone who disagrees with them "has an agenda".

Fuck off, at this point you're just admitting that you consider any disagreement with you to be inherently invalid: an agenda

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Joe

in reply to BrainInABox • 2 settimane fa • •

Aww diddums... you failed to steamroll someone and started with abuse instead. It's a tactic, strongly hinting at an agenda.

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RiverRock

in reply to Joe • 2 settimane fa • •

abuse

Jesus christ lmao

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BrainInABox

in reply to Joe • 2 settimane fa • •

You are treating any distinction I make as if it is an attempt to portray europe as moral.

Because you are. You're trying to portray Europe as having the moral right to police Russia's behavior.

europe has taken part in serious crimes and carries responsibility for them.

Though not, apparently, in any way that you think should prevent Europe from acting as world police or open them up to retaliation.

My point is that political systems are not identical.

No, your point was that your political system is better, and thus Europe should not be judged as harshly. But it isn't and it should.

Europe’s structures are too often captured by interests and often fail

Yes, which is why they are not different to Russia.

but they still allow for leadership changes, court rulings, investigations and public pressure

I already went into detail about why that's bullshit. You completely ignoring that to just restate your bullshit assertion is the height of cowardice.

Even in eastern europe elections have been re-run and parties banned after proven foreign interference

If you're seriously going to try to argue that Europe has only banned leftist parties after "proven foreign interference" then you're straight up just a McCarthyist fascist and you might as well start ranting about Judeo-Bolshevick conspiracies, because that's where you're at politically.

These mechanisms are limited, but they exist. Russia removes them entirely.

As I stated before (and you ignored), that is worse for Europe then: having these mechanisms and choosing never to use them to prevent genocidal atrocity is worse than not having them at all.

Acknowledging this difference is not excusing western actions.

Lol. That's nonsense: your whole argument has been in service of excusing western actions. Literally your whole point was that Europe's atrocities arnt as bad because European chose to commit them.

If your view is that any distinction is a double standard

My view is coming up with a bunch of rationalisation to defend European atrocities, which are vacuous at best and outright false at worst, is a double standard. Because, as I said before (and you ignored), you would never in a million years try to come up with these kind of rationalisations for any country other than European ones.

we don’t want nor need war in europe

A great many Europeans are absolutely frothing at the mouth for war with Russia. And it's true that the rest of you don't want it in Europe: but in the middle east instead.

but russia (a fully captured state) seems hell bent on bringing it.

Yeah; once again, Europeans are in no position to accuse other countries of being "hell bent on bringing war" (or of being fully captured).

I suppose that when it eventually falls, it will fall hard.

Uhuh. Once again. You might as well start ranting about Judeo-Bolshevick conspiracies and white, European destiny.

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Joe

in reply to BrainInABox • 2 settimane fa • •

You are reading motives into my argument that aren't there. I am not claiming europe is moral, has a mandate to police anyone, or deserves immunity from judgement. I am not trying to justify Iraq, Libya or Gaza, and I am not asking anyone to view those actions as lesser.

My only point is that political structures differ, and that this matters for understanding how states act and how their citizens can influence them. That's not a moral hierarchy and not an excuse - just a factual distinction. If you reject the idea that internal political structure makes any difference at all, then we are working with entirely different premises.

At that stage there is no meaningful basis for comparison or discussion. I have stated my view and you disagree. OK.

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BrainInABox

in reply to Joe • 2 settimane fa • •

You really think I'm going to keep taking you seriously after bullshit like this?

Fuck off, you lying white supremacist troll. Take your fascist "agenda" elsewhere.

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feverin

in reply to BrainInABox • 2 settimane fa • •

Keep cooking, the clarity of thought is refreshing

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BrainInABox

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FoundFootFootage78

in reply to BrainInABox • 2 settimane fa • •

Europe didn't even participate in the Iraq war, that's a common misconception. It was just the US, UK, Australia, and Poland. And in Poland's case they contributed just 200 troops. Sure just like with Palestine they didn't actively oppose it meaningfully, but the Iraq war was like 90% American, 9% British, 0.5% Australian, and 0.05% Polish.

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BrainInABox

in reply to FoundFootFootage78 • 2 settimane fa • •

This is straight up misinformation. For a start, UK and Poland are both European, and for another, a huge number of other European countries sent troops to Iraq, and you're straight up lying to say otherwise.

they didn’t actively oppose it meaningfully

This is straight up genocide denial now. Europe actively, rhetorically, and materially supported (and continues to support) the Palestinian genocide and the fascist ethno state carrying it out. The disgusting fake narrative that Europe were just this uninvolved third party who meant well but were too cautious to take action is Genocide Apologist Bullshit.

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FoundFootFootage78

in reply to BrainInABox • 2 settimane fa • •

UK and Poland are both European, but the UK has left the European Union and is clearly America's plaything so we can safely exclude them from the category of "Europe", while Poland sent so few troops it became a meme. Most of the European countries who sent troops did so only after a unanimous UN security council resolution, supported by both Russia and China.

Oh and Norway apparently committed military equipment, so there's that.

As for opposition, my country's prime minister has been couped for defying American foreign policy, and the leading opposition are deeply-ingrained America-sycophants. Practically speaking it's unlikely that any opposition would succeed and even if it the most it would do is cause a mild inconvenience. The issue of Palestine is even more fraught than Iraq because of Epstein.

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BrainInABox

in reply to FoundFootFootage78 • 2 settimane fa • •

but the UK has left the European Union

Which is irrelevant, they are still part of Europe.

clearly America’s plaything

Most of Europe is.

so we can safely exclude them from the category of “Europe”,

No you can't, that's fucking absurd.

while Poland sent so few troops it became a meme.

"Oh, they only did a little bit of brutal war of aggression that killed millions, that's fine."

Fuck off, you would never in a million years try to make this kind of argument for a country outside of Europe.

Most of the European countries who sent troops did so only after a unanimous UN security council resolution,

Oh, so you admit you straight up lied about the rest of Europe sending troops to Iraq. And which un resolution are you referring to? (As if Europe has ever respected un resolutions)

my country’s prime minister has been couped for defying American foreign policy, and the leading opposition are deeply-ingrained America-sycophants.

So your country is a play thing of America then, and a vessel of its genocidal empire.

The issue of Palestine is even more fraught than Iraq because of Epstein.

The issue of actively helping to commit the modern Holocaust is not "fraught because of Epstein". What a fucked up thing to say. Though not surprising given your earlier genocide denial.

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ShinkanTrain

in reply to BrainInABox • 2 settimane fa • •

tfw even Dubya remembers which countries invaded Iraq and libs on lemmy don't

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SinAdjetivos

in reply to FoundFootFootage78 • 2 settimane fa • •

Depends on when you count, but for the Iraq war specifically that's about right for the official foreign coalition forces.

However, the Iraq war was just one front of the nearly dozen wars that were being fought as part of the "Global War on Terrorism" which NATO perpetrated, the short list of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Somalia, Syria and Yemen, but arguably also including Camaroon, Philippines, Libya, Kashmir, etc.

Sure, of Europe only UK and Poland were officially deployed to Iraq, but they were actively collaborating with the rest of NATO in a much broader conflict and don't ask about where the mercenaries and security consultants that were used heavily during those conflicts came from.

It's not a misconception, it's misdirection.

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Frigg [he/him]

in reply to Joe • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

Dios mio! A liberal!

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InappropriateEmote [comrade/them, undecided]

in reply to Joe • 2 settimane fa • •

They’re fighting because they woke up to an invasion.

lol, right the Ukrainian nazi coup regime just suddenly woke up one day and that mean ol Putler was invadin! Ukraine hadn't been running an ethnic cleansing campaign in the east, bombing and murdering civilians who identified as Russian speakers for years. Nothing like that. The "invasion" just happened out of nowhere!

How did this absurd cringe comment even get 11 upvotes? Must be a lot of dipshit libs who think history started in February of 2022 still lurking around here.

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Joe

in reply to InappropriateEmote [comrade/them, undecided] • 2 settimane fa • •

???

The far-right political fringe in Ukraine is tiny. Far-right parties are usually under 3 % of the popular vote nationally.

In 2019 the coalition of far-right parties (e.g. Svoboda, Right Sector, etc.) got just over 2% and didn't clear the threshold for parliamentary representation.. Svboda (the most well known) has a single seat right now iirc.

Sure, extremist militias such as Azov Battalion (or its successors) have included far-right activists and symbols.

However, "some far-right fighters exist" is not the same as "Ukraine is run by Nazis".

The overwhelming majority of Ukrainians before and since 2022 reject far-right ideology.

What there was: A single spike in 2012, typically interpreted as protest votes against Yanukovych and his policies - with votes for the parties collapsing again once he was gone.

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InappropriateEmote [comrade/them, undecided]

in reply to Joe • 2 settimane fa • •

Are you genuinely that ignorant of reality, or is it a willful ignorance thing?

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Joe

in reply to InappropriateEmote [comrade/them, undecided] • 2 settimane fa • •

??? Nothing you said invalidates what I said.

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FoundFootFootage78

in reply to Spectre • 2 settimane fa • •

It was Biden that goaded Ukraine into flaunting it's NATO ambitions while making it clear multiple times that America would not come to Ukraine's aid. Europe is really being screwed here from both sides, on principle they support democracy and self-determination but they are entirely dependent on the Americans to stand up for that.

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AntiOutsideAktion

in reply to FoundFootFootage78 • 2 settimane fa • •

Why blame Biden for going along with the momentum when you can blame Obama for setting up the scenario with the coup in the first place?

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FoundFootFootage78

in reply to AntiOutsideAktion • 2 settimane fa • •

Obama didn't behave as weirdly as Biden. He facilitated neo-nazi's taking control of Ukraine's government and that prompted Russia to annex parts of Ukraine. The difference is that Obama behaved like is normal for an American president and it doesn't seem like war was his goal, Biden behaved incomprehensibly and was either deliberately pushing for war to further his own political ambitions or he was too senile to know what he was doing.

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RizzRustbolt

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Ah yes... we should send the Ukrainians... to the Ukraine!

We'll save a fortune on transportation costs!

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Bazell

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Sad but real.

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SourGumGum

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Death to Imperialist Russia

Avatar of Vengeance via World News

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Zionazi massacre in Beirut

Lebanese health ministry: Israeli aggression on Beirut’s Dahieh left one martyr and 21 injuries

...

^{Al-Manar TV Lebanon}

#Worldnews

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Avatar of Vengeance

in reply to Maeve • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

Hope you have a swift recovery, im personally okay but to be honest with climate exacerbated disasters here it's hard to read the stuff westerners say online it's really inhuman. I like to show it to liberals who tend to get weird when drunk and say they think US does such and such better. It just makes me want to ride the canoe all the way back and clobber people tho. Oh yeah its a bit offbeat I can just give you an email address, i like cheogram and delta chat bc they are nice for being in the mountains and shit with horrible internet, saves downloads for later. Delta chat is actually just a weird clientside email managemebt thing so it can use regular emails

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Maeve

in reply to Avatar of Vengeance • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

Hm, climate disaster is real, and alarming. Photos of Vietnam are quite shocking, I just checked weather for a few areas, more rain. So many lost, already. How are things in your mountains? I do hope you're safe. I understand your anger toward US in general and callous, flippant USians, and even our ignorance, including mine. I just want you to be ok.

Thank you for your kind wishes, friend. I know others have it much worse and remain grateful for what is right with me, even if it means I have to check myself, occasionally. Please know I think of you often and fondly.

Edit: I'll have to sort something for email. Pretty sure free providers in US won't do. I had a $1/month paid in Germany I let lapse because uhh... They won't do either.

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Spectre
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From corporate

#memes

like this

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davel

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Thank you, @antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml!

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🇵🇸antifa_ceo

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No thank you comrade

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IpsumLauren

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gobble on that thang

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What Kiev hopes you won’t notice: The hidden anatomy of Russia’s push forward on all fronts

How November brought rapid advances, collapsing Ukrainian positions, and a decisive shift in the war

^RT

#Worldnews

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muzzle

in reply to jankforlife • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

RT is literally Russian propaganda. If the poster can't find a better source it's not news.

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camdog2000

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Holy crap... look at how they all come out in unison.

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RiverRock

in reply to camdog2000 • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

You came to a communist space and started saying dumb shit, my conspiratorial friend.

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queermunist she/her

in reply to camdog2000 • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

Yeah, look at how we all read the threads posted to our instance.

🙄

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queermunist she/her

in reply to muzzle • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

Please recommend me a news outlet that isn't propaganda. CNN? MSNBC? Fox? lol

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Norway’s Oil Savings Just Hit $1 Trillion. Alberta Has $17 Billion. What Gives?

Norway’s Oil Savings Just Hit $1 Trillion. Alberta Has $17 Billion. What Gives? | The Narwhal

Norway’s sovereign wealth fund just hit a grand total of US $1 trillion dollars.

^{James Wilt (The Narwhal)}

#canada

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grte

in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

Norway produces oil to make money for themselves while Alberta produces oil to make money for Texas based resource extraction corporations.

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

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correct

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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Norway’s Oil Savings Just Hit $1 Trillion. Alberta Has $17 Billion. What Gives?

Norway’s Oil Savings Just Hit $1 Trillion. Alberta Has $17 Billion. What Gives? | The Narwhal

Norway’s sovereign wealth fund just hit a grand total of US $1 trillion dollars.

^{James Wilt (The Narwhal)}

#canada

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China to Hunt for Habitable "Second Earth" in Space

China will launch a series of space missions in next five years, including to hunt for a habitable "second Earth" where humans could live.

^{sha liu (China Minutes)}

#space

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ComradeSharkfucker
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nothing will sate my hunger except his suffering

I hate him so much

#memes

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ComradeSharkfucker

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Entonces mataré al diablo

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Sergio

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ojala escribes un cancion de metal despues de hacerlo.

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US peace roadmap, Kiev regime illegitimate, European security: Key takeaways from Putin’s press conference

Russian President Vladimir Putin has reiterated Moscow’s position on the US-proposed peace plan aimed at ending the Ukraine conflict

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#Worldnews

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NATO states considering ‘offensive cyber ops’ against Russia

Jus cannot believe libs still think they're just a "defense" organization LMBO

NATO states considering ‘cyber offensive’ against Russia – Politico

NATO’s European members are reportedly mulling “offensive” cyber operations against Russia

^RT

#Worldnews

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testfactor

in reply to jankforlife • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

I mean, seems fair? It's not like we haven't seen large scale cyber operations carried out in the past, and not a single one has ever been deemed to rise to being an act of war.

Unless you're killing power to hospitals or something, cyber effects seem to be fair play in the modern world stage.

You think Russias gonna declare war on NATO because they have some IT systems destroyed, or a bunch of records stolen or deleted or whatever? I really completely fail to imagine anything short of the "killing power to a hospital" example that would cause an escalation, and honestly, I'm not even sure that would.

Russia is happy to do it to other countries. Turnabout seems fair play to me. Especially since they're doing it while actively committing genocide on a neighboring country.

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freagle

in reply to testfactor • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

Guaranteed the NATO countries, especially the US and UK, have been engaging in offensive cyber warfare against Russia for over a decade, at least.

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TheLunatickle

in reply to freagle • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

If they are then that means one of two things 1. They suck at it or 2.Russia is scary good at blocking it.

The fact that china felt the need to isolate their people from the global net, yet russia didn't makes me think nato just isn't that good at aggressive cyber psyops.

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freagle

in reply to TheLunatickle • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

The US literally invented the Internet. It controlled all of the technology for years. It codeveloped it with the military. Every single major tech company has deep ties to the US military. Many of US tech companies are actually spinoffs from military projects. And US tech dominated the global market. And the tech companies are installing backdoors at the behest of the military (Snowden leaks).

The embargos/sanctions against Russia likely creates tons of opportunity for Russia to develop alternative technologies so they are less dependent on US persistent threats, I mean product.

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TheLunatickle

in reply to freagle • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

And yet they elected trump, and are clearly being manipulated by foreign agents. They may have invented it but it wouldn't be the first time the creator failed to fully utilise their creation.

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freagle

in reply to TheLunatickle • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

A, that's not cyber warfare. That's cyber propaganda. B, Americans don't need foreign influence to be racist misogynist violent jingoistic bigots.

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TheLunatickle

in reply to freagle • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

A. I said cyber PSYOPS not warfare and there is an argument to be made that propaganda IS a form of warfare (Eg it is according to russian doctrine). B. There has been a distinct upwards trend in American cuntishness over the last 15 years, well more of a dropping of the mask.

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freagle

in reply to TheLunatickle • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

You never said the word psyops in any of these comments. What the fuck?

If things have gotten worse in the last 15 years, I'm certain it is because of the state of the American psyche and not because of some foreign propaganda.

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TheLunatickle

in reply to freagle • 2 settimane fa • •

Literally the last word in my first comment. Russia launched a psyop in 2009 aimed at causing unrest in western democracies

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freagle

in reply to TheLunatickle • 2 settimane fa • •

Sorry. What thread do you think you're on right now?

Oh, I see. You just added psyops to the thread by saying you think NATO isn't good at psyops on a thread about cyber warfare.

Look, let's just end the discussion. I don't need people getting confused about which of us is the fool.

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TheLunatickle

in reply to freagle • 2 settimane fa • •

My first comment, posted as a reply to your first comment. There is only one thread?

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TheLunatickle

in reply to freagle • 2 settimane fa • •

If you look a little harder you'll realise that post is unedited, but if you're resorting to insults I think you know that. Apologies cost nothing, you can admit you didn't actually read what I wrote before getting agitated.

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freagle

in reply to TheLunatickle • 2 settimane fa • •

Sorry I didn't realize you changed the subject so that you could steer the conversation towards absolving the USA of its centuries-long violent, racist, genocidal, jingoistic psychosis by blaming it on Russian psyops.

My bad.

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TheLunatickle

in reply to freagle • 2 settimane fa • •

Lol wut.

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freagle

in reply to TheLunatickle • 2 settimane fa • •

Not a single word in the article even hints at psyops.

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TheLunatickle

in reply to freagle • 2 settimane fa • •

I conflated cyber psyops and cyber warfare as both being offensive cyber operations, which was sloppy and unclear of me.

I'm not excusing americas history of racism, imperialism and general douchbaggery. Only pointing out the stark reversal of the trend towards empathy and compassion (Pre 2010) back to full mask off racism and corruption (post 2010).

"Something" Happened in America during the 2010's that drove a distinct increase in the amount of public support for racism and bigotry.

Now I am leaving this conversation, because it has become far more combative and emotional then I am comfortable with.

I genuinely hope you have a good day.

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BrainInABox

in reply to TheLunatickle • 2 settimane fa • •

the trend towards empathy and compassion (Pre 2010)

You mean the fucking Bush administration?

"Something” Happened in America during the 2010’s that drove a distinct increase in the amount of public support for racism and bigotry.

The irony of blaming foreigners for making you bigoted and racist.

it has become far more combative and emotional then I am comfortable with.

What, you wanted to spew Nazi tier racism without pushback?

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m532

in reply to TheLunatickle • 2 settimane fa • •

"Iz da ~~jooz~~ ruzzianz fault. Da innocent arianz got corrupted by ~~immigrantz~~ foreignerz"

Lying western oligarchies.

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BrainInABox

in reply to TheLunatickle • 2 settimane fa • •

Literally Nazi conspiracy theories

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BrainInABox

in reply to TheLunatickle • 2 settimane fa • •

Amazing how Nazi Judeo-Bolshevick conspiracy theory is now just mainstream dogma among Western liberals

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jankforlife

in reply to testfactor • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

NATO is a imperialist org. There nothing "fair" about it this is yet another US empire attempt to intimidate and control

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subversive_dev

in reply to testfactor • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

Hello 'worlder, welcome to the side of the fediverse outside of the NATO media bubble.

If you want to know the truth, I will lay down a trail. If you literally respond to this by calling me a Russian troll then you are a joke. If the Russians could actually do informational warfare as well as the West none of us would be having this conversation.

The 2014 coup was orchestrated by the United States and brought a radical Nazi faction called the Banderites into power in Ukraine.

The Banderites spent the next 7 years conducting a genocidal campaign in the Donbass against ethnolinguistic Russians.

Over those 7 years the West sabotaged and undermined three separate peace agreements, known as Minsk one and two and Istanbul. These facts have even been documented in the western press. Look up Angela Merkel conceding that the only point of the Minsk agreements was to stall and rearm the Ukrainians, and look up how Boris Johnson sabotaged the Istanbul agreement.

Now that that history is out of the way we can talk about the present day. The Russians are completely dominant on the battlefield. The Ukrainian military is in an advanced stage of collapse. Despite this, the Ukrainians and Europeans are continuing to sabotage peace talks by making completely absurd demands (as the party that is LOSING BADLY). The reason this is happening is because the point of the war from the beginning was to weaken Russia. Unfortunately for them this might be the greatest backfire in human history. They are extremely unable to cope with this, hence the hysteria and nonsense.

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hornedfiend

in reply to jankforlife • 2 settimane fa • •

Context:

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RT - Breaking News, Russia News, World News and Video

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HiddenLayer555

in reply to hornedfiend • 2 settimane fa • •

"Censorship is good, actually"

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Hadriscus

in reply to jankforlife • 2 settimane fa • •

About time..... RN (ex-FN) has been peddling hate for over a decade with russian funds. Many of my countrypeople have ceded ground to fascist ideology because of that money. I hear it in the news... in the streets... my own neighbours have started losing their legendary empathy. Having principles is great but we have to defend ourselves at some point. Russia is doing real damage to the minds through their local proxies

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10:40 how to learn.

GitHub - dylanaraps/pure-sh-bible: 📖 A collection of pure POSIX sh alternatives to external processes.

📖 A collection of pure POSIX sh alternatives to external processes. - dylanaraps/pure-sh-bible

^GitHub

#linux

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chasteinsect
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Why use a terminal pdf viewer?

I've been using Firefox to view PDFs and it works fine. Recently though I wanted to try something more minimal with vim keybindings. Found two options: Zathura and tdf (terminal pdf viewer).

What I'm curious about is why someone would choose a TUI pdf viewer over a regular one (like Zathura). What are the actual advantages people find in practice. tdf mentions being fast but I wonder if that's something you'd actually notice day to day?

Also I remember seeing screenshots where PDFs looked transparent or matched the terminal colors. Is that actually a feature of some of these viewers ? Maybe someone uses one here?

Tdf seems relatively popular with 1.4k github stars.

GitHub - itsjunetime/tdf: A tui-based PDF viewer

A tui-based PDF viewer. Contribute to itsjunetime/tdf development by creating an account on GitHub.

^GitHub

#linux

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kittenroar

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Huh, I mostly use apvlv and mupdf. They are command line binaries but they have a gui; I don't really see a point in looking at a PDF with something other than a gui.

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New to Linux Advice

Ive not had a PC or gaming PC in 15 years. I want to get back into it now.

Im fairly against windows. I'd like to try a Linux system and thought this would be a fun way to get into Linux.

Ive been looking at some black friday sales here Newegg sales

Its been so long since ive looked at PC specs I feel like im completely new. Ive read that an AMD GPU can be easier for Linux so I started there.

So Ive got two questions!

What are some must have specs in you opinion to run most modern games, and would you have a #1 recommend for a prebuilt to get started with?

What disto is best for a total newbie who wants to use it for gaming and eventually transition for anything/everything else?

#linux_gaming

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N.E.P.T.R

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Even after using PopOS I dont understand the hype. It is Ubuntu-based, meaning that its packages are stale and often quite out of date, which isn't something I would recommend for a gaming distro.

Better to pick one of the following, which are gaming focused, user friendly, and have up-to-date packages for {Mesa, Vulkan, Wine, Kernel, etc}:
- PikaOS
- Bazzite
- Nobara

Edit:
My reason for saying that up-to-date packages are paramount is because a newer kernel supports more features, better performance, new hardware support, less bugs, and the same is true for packages that effect gaming. Desktop environments get better quickly through updates and bug fixes that effect gaming may take a year of more to reach pepetually out of date distros like Ubuntu. It is generally quite important, but less important if you use Steam Flatpak because it is slightly sandboxes.

Bazzite - The operating system for the next generation of gamers

Bazzite makes gaming and everyday use smoother and simpler across desktop PCs, handhelds, tablets, and home theater PCs.

^bazzite.gg

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HaraVier

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Regarding Pop!_OS, (at least historically) it was the easiest distro for Nvidia users. Add to that some neat stuff like a Recovery Partition^[Btw, if you happen to know any other distro that offers something similar, then I'd love to hear about it.] and I can understand where (at least initially) the hype was (IMO justifiably) coming from. Unfortunately, erupting COSMIC DE from the ground hasn't done Pop!_OS well for upkeeping its good name and reputation. I suppose they're lucky that Linux users are seriously delayed when it comes to adjusting their recommendations. (Like how a chunk of peeps continued to proselytize for Manjaro till last year or so.)

Recovery Partition

Here is how to use the recovery partition to repair, refresh or reinstall your operating system.

^{System76 Support}

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Trump, After Call With China’s Xi, Told Tokyo to Lower the Volume on Taiwan

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PolandIsAStateOfMind

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Totally sovereign country they have there

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Proof Xi knows JDPON Don's activation phrase

Thorned_Rose via Linux

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I just wanted to compare FOSS Linux budgeting software

Instead YouTube gives me literally nothing but AI spam. :/

I scrolled down a bit more and got this:
i.postimg.cc/fJcPhG45/Screensh…

Scrolled down some more and this:
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I kept scrolling until I ran out of relevant results. Not a single video was legit. I don't think I've ever seen so much AI slop in one search term and by the gods there is a lot of crap on YouTube.

Anyone have a good comparison video? I'm just wanting a decent comparison of Actual, Firefly III and possibly HomeBank. Feel free to also give me your 2 cents on whatever you use 😀

#linux

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iAmTheTot

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I don't have a video for you but I've been using Actual for over a year and really like it. I recommend it. Caveat, I very actively interact with my budget (inputting things manually) and cannot speak for it's account linking features.

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_spiffy

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We just switched from YNAB to actual and my wife really likes it. I host it locally with tailscale so she can access it from her phone anywhere.

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Supreme Court Conservatives Reinstate Texas’ Gerrymandered House Maps

The Supreme Court, in a 6-3 order, has put on hold a lower court ruling that blocked Texas’ aggressive gerrymander, a maneuver the state legislature had carried…

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Just to be safe

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Jeffrey Epstein Aided Alan Dershowitz’s Attack on Mearsheimer and Walt’s “Israel Lobby”

The behind-the-scenes campaign of subversion ironically affirmed the key tenets of the Walt and Mearsheimer paper. In other words, wealthy and well-connected men were deploying their financial resources and connections in order to undercut a paper claiming that wealthy and well-connected men were using their wealth and financial resources for the benefit of the state of Israel and against the interests of the United States.

Jeffrey Epstein Aided Alan Dershowitz’s Attack on Mearsheimer and Walt’s “Israel Lobby”

Epstein and Alan Dershowitz collaborated on smear campaigns against Mearsheimer, Walt, and an underage assault victim making allegations against Epstein—in the same week.

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Math is Hard

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wolfinthewoods

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50% of the time I pass everytime

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nastyyboi

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You mathn't.

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VICTORY: Kenyan Court Rules “Sharing Seeds is Not a Crime” in Landmark Verdict for Food Sovereignty

HISTORIC VICTORY: Kenyan Court Rules “Sharing Seeds is Not a Crime” in Landmark Verdict for Food Sovereignty - Greenpeace Africa

This judgment establishes powerful legal precedent globally, affirming that the ancient right of farmers to save and share seeds supersedes commercial interests, reshaping the legal balance of power between communities and agribusiness worldwide.

^{Greenpeace Africa}

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sodium_nitride [she/her, any]

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Goated ruling. I have nothing negative to say about it which is rare for news these days.

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Regime change incoming....

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Linux usage hits an all-time high in Steam Hardware Survey—and AMD processors continue their march against Intel

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/linux-usage-hits-an-all-time-high-in-steam-hardware-survey-and-amd-processors-continue-their-march-against-intel

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"EndeavourOS 0.07%"

Let's goooo! There are dozens of us!!

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boomzilla

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Recently tried CachyOS on my HTPC. Couldn't get Sunshine to run. It looked beautiful though and the docs seemed really in-depth. Endeavour (thanks to Arch, I know) is just so stable and fast. Just the right amount of pre-installed stuff like reflector, yay, the firewall-config app for firewalld with sane defaults, nice BTRFS subvolume layout, correct NVidia drivers. Would be nice to have Limine (for BTRFS snapshots) as an option besides SystemD boot and Grub in Calamares but I installed it in addition to SystemD boot. Gaming works tremendously good. Everything else too.

I really can't recall the last time an update went wrong. On both of my machines (one Intel, one AMD, both NVidia).

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LievitoPadre

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You need to install CUDA first, if you have a Nvidia card.
Limine is already an option when you install the os.

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boomzilla

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Thanks. Seems you're correct and Sunshine profits from CUDA when using this NVFBC but it doesn't seem to explicitly depend on it to run. I tried it pretty soon after installing EOS and can't imagine having installed CUDA so early. Last time I explicitly did it was for Ollama.

I just looked on that EOS machine on which Sunshine worked right from the start and no CUDA package is installed but nevertheless nvidia-smi shows CUDA Version 13. This seems to be because the nvidia driver brings the CUDA runtime with it which differs from the big CUDA toolkit. I'll try CachyOS again when I eventually buy an AMD GPU.

I think you meant Cachy when you pointed out Limine is an option while doing automatic partitioning. And yes this worked very good. I meant that Endeavour doesn't offer it at that point in install.

Have a nice week.

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LievitoPadre

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You're welcome.
I knew about CUDA because I hit my head with it with manjaro. However, I vaguely remember that when I tried in Cachy, it asked for the dependency as well. I think I tried to install with octopi tool though.

Yes I meant Cachy for limine, I didn't know Endeavour didn't do it too.

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youmaynotknow

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I'm not much of a gamer, not because I don't like to game, but because I'm old and have little time for it. That has made Fedora Workstation my preferred desktop/laptop OS for the last 6 years or so. Maybe that's the reason why I just can't understand why people keep putting up with Microsoft's bullshit.

I have tried Endeavour about 4 times over the years, but in trying to 'make it my own' I always end up breaking it badly and come back to Fedora for a stable few months before going on a distro-hop riot all over again. Linux certainly is a lovely drug to be hooked on 😁

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randomaside

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I feel you. Ive been going through this loop over and pver again. Ive landed on the fedora based Universal Blue for this reason. Bluefin for my desktop and bazzite for my gaming PCs. Sometimes you just want your system to be stable and get out of your way and i really appreciate thay about fedora.

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youmaynotknow

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That was the one Distro that appealed to my wife enough for her to allow me to switch her Windows in her work PC. Now she hates to have to go to her windows laptop to do some taxes shit in our country every month because they only allow excel.

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Spice Hoarder

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Doesn't one of the office alternatives do .xlsx? Or at least use the web version of excel?

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youmaynotknow

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Only Office and LibreOffice do, I but the macros used by our tax authority completely break there, so she's left with the excel option alone.

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Spice Hoarder

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Go figure, but the web version of excel should work.

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youmaynotknow

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According to her, it didn't work. I have no idea what macros those are, and in all honesty, I don't care either, as I don't have to do it (I know that's a douche comment, but here we are). As long as I'm not the one hack g to deal with that crap, I'm not even asking. At the end of the day, that's all she uses that laptop for, the rest is either company hosted or self hosted and she can use it all on her phone or tablet when she's out and about or in her PC when I get home the office.

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silt_haddock

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I’ve been putting off switching because of everything I have setup for work, but next week I have a new laptop arriving and I’ll be wiping the pre-installed windows and chucking probably fedora on it.

Once I have that first one done, I’ll be able to start moving all my others. I have a bunch of Hyper-V VMs that I need to migrate which has been the main cause of my hesitation.

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Jankatarch

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Check fan speed volume before and after linux to see how many background AI scrapers were removed lmao.

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Debate on Israeli attacks on Gaza blocked in European Parliament

Left group says 'right, center' blocked debate as bombings continue despite ceasefire - Anadolu Ajansı

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RiverRock

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They definitely totally care about peace and human life though, and are certainly not cynical opportunists doing their best to prolong two different conflicts because there's money to be made

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Ireland: Most crimes last year were committed by repeat offenders, new stats show

Most crimes last year were committed by repeat offenders, new stats show

Re-offending was highest among burglary and trespassing cases, where 87% of detected incidents involved a previous offender.

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Tangentism

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As well as emotional regulation from an early age (would massively reduce male violence)

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Maeve

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That's where universal comprehensive health comes in.

Meow-Misfit via Privacy

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Tumblr or Mastodon? Or is there a third service I should use?

So, I have a profile at Tumblr to archive a specific media's contents. (It's in Portuguese)

I currently use tumblr, but is there some other page I should use to get better privacy? I've been considering Mastodon.

#privacy

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erebion

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Looking at all the issues Matrix has had for years and is still struggling with, I'm not suprised people prefer to use something else. I've been using Matrix since 2017 and I feel like things don't improve much, unfortunately.

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Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ

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Yup. Matrix seems fine as long as you aren't trying to use encryption. If you are, it's been hopelessly broken for... ever.

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Reality Check: EU Council Chat Control Vote is Not a Retreat, But a Green Light for Indiscriminate Mass Surveillance and the End of Right to Communicate Anonymously

Cross posted from: feddit.uk/post/40205739

I'm posting this to hopefully stop the posts that keep appearing, suggesting that progress has been made to defeat chat control.
That's not correct.

The article:

Contrary to headlines suggesting the EU has “backed away” from Chat Control, the negotiating mandate endorsed today by EU ambassadors in a close split vote paves the way for a permanent infrastructure of mass surveillance. Patrick Breyer, digital freedom fighter and expert on the file, warns journalists and the public not to be deceived by the label “voluntary.”

While the Council removed the obligation for scanning, the agreed text creates a toxic legal framework that incentivizes US tech giants to scan private communications indiscriminately, introduces mandatory age checks for all internet users, and threatens to exclude teenagers from digital life.

“The headlines are misleading: Chat Control is not dead, it is just being privatized,” warns Patrick Breyer. **“What the Council endorsed today is a Trojan Horse. By cementing ‘voluntary’ mass scanning, they are legitimizing the warrantless, error-prone mass surveillance of millions of Europeans by US corporations, while simultaneously killing online anonymity through the backdoor of age verification.”
**
Continue reading here - patrick-breyer.de/en/reality-c…

Reality Check: EU Council Chat Control Vote is Not a Retreat, But a Green Light for Indiscriminate Mass Surveillance and the End of Right to Communicate Anonymously

Contrary to headlines suggesting the EU has "backed away" from Chat Control, the negotiating mandate endorsed today by EU ambassadors in a close split vote paves the way for a permanent infrastructure of mass surveillance.

^{Patrick Breyer}

#privacy

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TropicalDingdong

in reply to Babalugats • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

Who is promoting this and why is it constantly coming back?

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Babalugats

in reply to TropicalDingdong • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

The timeline is here

Currently Denmark pushing it, they hold the EU presidency at the minute. Their minister for justice - Peter Hummelgaard is responsible for the big push and the wording. Specifically trying to pull the wool over the general public.
Ireland are next (they take over in January)
And the minister for justice in Ireland (Jim O'Callaghan) is also in favour of it.

U.N. right to privacy

Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights - Right to privacy in the digital age

U.N. - Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Data privacy: A right to read without being read | United Nations

According to the Dag Hammarskjöld Library, libraries play a vital role as the privacy rights of their users are under increasing threat.

^{United Nations}

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TropicalDingdong

in reply to Babalugats • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

Thank you.

But what groups are advocating for this? There is clearly a significant campaign behind this. It doesn't seem at all grassroots.

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Babalugats

in reply to TropicalDingdong • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

At a guess, I'd imagine big tech companies are lobbying as most of the information that they use comes from data gathering. Using data directly from texts etc. Leaves them open to court cases.

theguardian.com/commentisfree/…

The options are limitless to the politicians regarding money making opportunities pushing x,y and z through once our private correspondence and devices are being scanned.

For example, in years to come insurance companies could refuse to pay out on all sorts of claims using that data.
Doctor may have recommended you walk a mile a day and change your diet.
You don't do it, or just miss a day, your life insurance policy is voided.
Car crash not your fault, no payout because you missed something else etc.

I couldn't begin to to guess the amount of ways that this information could be used, but it's a complete u-turn from what the EU was saying only a few years ago

gdpr.eu/what-is-gdpr/

They still recommend using signal - but only internally.

Which in itself is bizarre.

And exempting themselves from being scanned is just showing what they really think.

What is GDPR, the EU’s new data protection law? - GDPR.eu

What is the GDPR? Europe’s new data privacy and security law includes hundreds of pages’ worth of new requirements for organizations around the world. This GDPR overview will help...

^{Ben Wolford (GDPR.eu)}

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TropicalDingdong

in reply to Babalugats • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

I'm trying to learn more about EU politics, and when something like this won't die after being beat down several times, in the US it's almost always some industry lobbying organization.

And a problem we have globally, is that there isn't an organized counter movement in the opposite direction (that privacy is a human right, that this isn't a path to security, that states need to be restrained and restricted in their tendencies towards authoritarianism).

Without that countermovement, it's almost inevitable something like this will pass as the lobbying organization can long outlive the current generation of activists or politicians who see the problems with something like chat control.

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Babalugats

in reply to TropicalDingdong • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

corporateeurope.org/en/2025/11…

Yes, that's the same with many things. No counter movement.

We will see how transparent it all is

transparency.eu/briefing-lobby…

Briefing: lobby transparency in the EU - Transparency International EU

^{Raphaël Kergueno (Transparency International EU)}

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Batmorous

in reply to Babalugats • 2 settimane fa • •

We have to be the ones that continue building the movement. Plenty of us already are but with each of us active, and getting others active-connected it will help so much. We all can way more in a healthy way get things done. Let's not make it easy for them at all.

Getting people to switch to Matrix, & Stoat for real-time collaboration.

Piefed for overview and more organization by having people doing.

Pixelfed, & Loops by Pixelfed for Live-Streaming Incidents.

Also, to stop them infecting people's minds with their virus

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Babalugats

in reply to Batmorous • 2 settimane fa • •

I agree. A proper counter movement is needed.

Big American corporations are heavily lobbying EU council and governments.
Transparency is not working, EU council are rolling back on GDPR, massively eroding our privacy, which is irreversible.

With the likes of Trump in charge the US are not trustworthy with any data. The data that they already take illegally is too much.

The UDHR article 12 is supposed to protect our privacy.

We need a counter movement big enough to scare the politicians when they start bending to the Big-Tech.
They are not in the least bit worried as things stand now.

Peter Hummelgaard (among others) and his arrogance does not seem even a little concerned about his position.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights | United Nations

A milestone document in the history of human rights, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights set out, for the first time, fundamental human rights to be universally protected. It has been translated into over 500 languages.

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Batmorous

in reply to Babalugats • 1 settimana fa • •

Thats why everyone needs to be active with us and get more people moving. The more we do the more we win!! They are already scared that's why they try so hard now.

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ell1e

in reply to Babalugats • 3 settimane fa (Ricevuto 2 settimane fa) • •

I posted this before, but it doesn’t even seem to be voluntary at all, from what I can tell from the draft:

“Upon that notification, the provider shall, in cooperation with the EU Centre pursuant to Article 50(1a), take the necessary measures to effectively contribute to the development of the relevant technologies to mitigate the risk of child sexual abuse identified on their services. […]”

“In order to prevent and combat online child sexual abuse effectively, providers of hosting services and providers of publicly available interpersonal communications services should take all reasonable measures to mitigate the risk of their services being misused for such abuse […]”

These quotes sound mandatory, not voluntary. And let’s look what these technologies referenced are:

“In order to facilitate the providers’ voluntary activities under Regulation (EU) 2021/1232 compliance with the detection obligations, the EU Centre should make available to providers detection technologies […]”

“The EU Centre should provide reliable information on which activities can reasonably be considered to constitute online child sexual abuse, so as to enable the detection […] Therefore, the EU Centre should generate accurate and reliable indicators,[…] These indicators should allow technologies to detect the dissemination of either the same material (known material) or of different new child sexual abuse material (new material), […]”

Oops, it sounds again like mandatory scanning.

Source: cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/…

The new draft seems to pretend better to look less mandatory, but it still looks mandatory to me. Feel free to correct me if somebody can figure out that I’m wrong.

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Samsung Clipboard History

Edit: Samsung Keyboard (in the personal profile) was reinstalled probably after a system update and was the culprit. The issue is now solved. Thank you for your comments.

I have made a work profile using Shelter. I was copy-pasting some stuff in my personal profile while the work profile was disabled. Later, I discovered everything I had copied was showing up in Samsung Keyboard's clipboard history (in the work profile).
Personal profile's Samsung Keyboard was uninstalled via ADB (among some other packages like Google Play Services).
What package could be the culprit?
(I'd love to just install LineageOS on it but there isn't a built for the device yet. I just don't use it for sensitive stuff.)

#privacy

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It turned out to be... Samsung Keyboard in the end, probably reinstalled itself after a system update.

I thought it'd be something like com.samsung.clipboardsaveservice, which was the culprit on my old phone, but it didn't even exist on my new one.

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I'm glad you figured it out!

Samsung is so invasive. I can't wait until I can justify turning þis þing into e-waste.

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it's amazing what a country can do once it stops voting for its effective political duopoly.

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Death of Texas college student Brianna Aguilera ruled suicide: Police

The police chief said her "heart aches" for Brianna Aguilera's parents.

^{Emily Shapiro (ABC News)}

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Signal knows who you’re talking to – Sane Security Guy

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Too bad its creator seems to like Trump mstdn.social/@rysiek/114630877…

I prefer deltachat delta.chat/

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2025-06-05 12:59:43

Hey @simplex is this really your founder? 👀
xcancel.com/epoberezkin
#SimpleX #InfoSec

Evgeny (@epoberezkin)
@SimpleXChat (http://simplex.chat) founder - the 1st chat network without user IDs. Created Ajv #JSON validator used by millions of JS apps.
^Nitter

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If the tech works as it should, that's what I care about the most.

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Grand jury declines to reindict Letitia James | CNN Politics

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