--- Ugh. Quite disgusted to discover there is a Fediverse instance doing propaganda for ☢️ nuclear power, and that they do the same tired old thing they always do: A) claim all the other ways of generating power are dirty too B) don't mention how outrageously expensive it is to build, run, clean up after C) don't mention how it can be used by invading forces or domestic terrorists - like Zaporizhzhia
...and so much more disinformation.
Pls join me in blocking the instance @greennuclear.online ---
I just want to add that, to my knowledge, when pro-nuclear people claim all the other ways of generating power are dirty too, they are right. I guess solar, wind and hydro aren't as much damaging, but they are, currently very much: gerrymcgovern.com/new-thinking…
Every thing we do - eating, breeding, exhaling CO2, is "dirty", but nuclear is so many orders of magnitude "dirtier" than pretty much everything other than coal.
Wind turbine blades are now being made of recyclable material, and there is an ongoing process to make every component of photovoltaic panels recyclable too. Hydro is less easy to characterise, as it can be done sensitively, or stupidly.
Using pumped hydro for longterm storage is superb!
Funny how recycling is always an ongoing process, never planned from the beginning ... Oh, we're dumping these multitude of wind turbine blades and solar panels, but don't worry we're working on a solution.
Every gigawatt of wind power causes about 600,000 tons of rare earth toxic mining waste, much of it radioactive.
Wind and solar are just the latest tech fantasy that require hugely areas of the earth to become Green Sacrifice Zones.
@gerrymcgovern I had the interesting experience of visiting the first modern wind turbine in Denmark around 1980, at an experimental college in Denmark called Tvind. It was huge, had only two blades, and the students had made it as part of their physics studies. It was done completely by discovery, trial and error. Making the blades that large, and yet keeping them lightweight was a difficult problem for them to solve. /1
@gerrymcgovern Fibreglass reinforced boats were becoming popular at that time, making pleasure craft more affordable, lighter and easier to build than traditional wooden boats. I guess it was a no-brainer for them to adapt this technology for building the blades. It is a great shame that it is such a difficult material to recycle - the upside was that the experiment at Tvind launched the Danish wind turbine industry, laying the foundations for the wind power we have today. /2
@gerrymcgovern Science moves forward through increment and iteration. The Danes are very eco-conscious and have been making refinements to the materials they use the whole time.
One can ask, Would this industry have managed to establish itself and succeed if there had been an absolute stipulation on 100% recyclability from the beginning, with only the material sciences available 40 years ago?
Unfortunately, the very foundations of the Scientific Revolution have demanded the destruction of Nature, as Carolyn Merchant pointed out in her profound book, The Death of Nature. The environment nearly always comes last, and is seen as a resource to be exploited. It's why we are where we are, on the verge of collapse, and wind and solar merely accelerate us forward because they simply add to the poisons and pollution.
@gerrymcgovern @gubi your argument falls down, as wind and solar are LESS polluting than the alternatives. The promises from the nuclear industry haven't changed much, except that, whereas we were promised energy by now so cheap that it wouldn't be measured (I recall that in the 70s), it is the most expensive form.
@UkeleleEric @gerrymcgovern I agree with all your REN reasoning, but I am still dubious in blocking that pro-nuke instance, as a scientific attitude would rather welcome the comparison between pronuclear claims and actual data about the better performance of renewables. Furthermore, some countries like France are tied to tens of nuke plants and that instance could provide info on how they suggest to deal with them.
@gubi I only came to know of that instance because they jumped in to attack me with their "We Know Best, We Are the Tough Guys" attitude.
They are not interested in discussions or exchanging knowledge, Carlo. They are an aggressive propaganda unit for the nuclear industry. They will waste your time forcing you to debunk increasingly ridiculous claims they pull out of thin air. Any interaction with them gives them a platform for their disinformation.
@UkeleleEric First off, it's not enough to be "less polluting" because we have so vastly polluted our environment. Secondly, we literally do not know the total environmental harms of these new technologies. We never do the proper research of harms of new tech--only 50 years later to we find out.
We're having the wrong debate, but it's the debate Big Oil and Big Tech want us to have. About the technology. We must talk about the culture and how to reduce energy.
I agree about the conversation being deliberately dragged away from degrowth by Big Tech and Big Oil via assorted insidious means.
But I think we're currently in this midst of unstoppable biosphere and climate collapse, the latter of which we know is now accelerating. Had we as a species one iota of sense we would be treating this as the worst case scenario extinction level event that it actually is. Which is to say, I think implementing radical degrowth and using the least polluting energy sort is worthwhile, it won't make a difference to our collective fate, which has for some time been sealed.
@Shivviness I agree with you, collapse is coming. And I think we need to protect as much of wild nature and Indigenous people (because they have the wisdom to know how to start over) as we can. Instead, by promoting these "green" metals we are doing the exact opposite because where most of them are found is among wild nature and Indigenous people.
“You can’t restore the Earth by destroying it,” Sami Nils Utsi says.
@gerrymcgovern @UkeleleEric @LaChasseuse@mastodon.scot @jones @gubi I don't see Big Oil supporting the development of renewables, do you? What I see is Big Oil financing fascism everywhere to kill renewables. (I mean the Nationalists far right in France for instance, should be 100% renewable as it would make the nation independent and sovereign, instead they are going all in on fossil fuels.) And everything has been said about how bad solar panels and wind energy are. I get the need for degrowth though.
@michaele According to energy historian Jean-Baptiste Fressoz, who wrote the book More and More and More, the idea for an ‘ energy transition’ was “originally itself promoted by energy companies, not as a genuine plan, but as a means to put off any meaningful change.” There are games within games, wheels within wheels. As Fressoz points out, there is no energy transition, never was, never will be. As we fight over what's the best tech, our environment collapses.
@gerrymcgovern Yes, I know what Fressoz wrote and I was quite shaken by it. Yet, recent data is actually indicating something different. There has been such an acceleration in solar power in particular that there is a tipping over. Further china inovation in solar panels also mean that less and less ressources are needed, so that when I recylcle my three years old panels I'll be able to have three times as many. the point is that there will be a plateau in extraction as recycling will take over
@michaele I'd love to share your optimism but I've been hearing this recycling story for so long and it never pans out
Have you heard of Tom Murphy; absolutely brilliant thinker. When I asked Tom about the fossil fuels versus “renewable” energy debate, his response was simple: “In a sense, to me, the question is similar to: which is worse—death by decapitation or bullet through the head? What we do with the energy in either form is leading to a sixth mass extinction.” dothemath.ucsd.edu/2024/08/mm-…
@gerrymcgovern Perhaps I am being overly optimistic, but articles and interviews from the FT, The New Yorker, Tech Wont Save Us through different approaches seem to point to something happening. which also go some ways to explain Trump frenzied furry against renewables.
@gerrymcgovern It has been pointed out that most ocean going freight vessels are moving fossil fuel around the globe. Ceasing to use 90% of fossil fuel (some is needed for non-combustive use, such as making synthetic textiles, cosmetics, cleaning products, medical uses) would lead to a huge drop in the number of diesel-burning ships travelling the oceans (in addition to a drop in emissions from heating buildings and running ICE vehicles). Also, no more oil spills!
Right now, there is an oil, gas and coal boom. There has never been an energy transition in history and there never will be. I'd advise reading this book: More and More and More, Jean-Baptiste Fressoz, Penguin, 2025 penguin.co.uk/books/464145/mor…
We're getting more oil, gas, coal, hydro, nuclear, wind and solar because we live in a Growth Death Cult.
It has become habitual to think of our relationship with energy as one of transition: with wood superseded by coal, coal by oil, oil by nuclear and then at some future point all replaced by green sources.
@gerrymcgovern @gubi For Australia to make any timely progress toward net zero we'd have to first get rid of the career politicians and replace them with people who have no obligation to Big Money, who see climate change mitigation as more important than their personal popularity. People capable of saying "No!"
@gerrymcgovern @gubi no, they aren't a fantasy. We need to work harder on living more sustainably in the first place, but, green infrastructure is many times better than nuclear, even ignoring the worst thing about nuclear, which is the cost and security issues of dealing with the waste for GENERATIONS.
> Every thing we do - eating, breeding, exhaling CO2, is "dirty", but nuclear is so many orders of magnitude "dirtier" than pretty much everything other than coal.
I agree.
> Wind turbine blades are now being made of recyclable material, and there is an ongoing process to make every component of photovoltaic panels recyclable too. Hydro is less easy to characterise, as it can be done sensitively, or stupidly.
Sadly, you are right, not about "hiding a different worldview" whose endorsers have lots of money and lots of possibilities to express, and that instance is not hidden from mastodon.help, it's just marked as noxious, so one can easily get it as a result by unchecking "exclude noxious instances"; just because mastodon.help policy, for now, states we will mark as noxious only those instances where fascist, racist, sexist, ableist or sovereignist contents are accepted (are you against "hiding" these too?). Anyway, since i've been the only one managing mastodon.help for some years, now, i won't unmark it, i will keep it marked as "noxious" and just add to our policy that we will mark as noxious also those instances that accept "pro-nuclear" content. Not now, though, because i need to take a nap.
@77nn The justification would be that they are spreading disinformation, ie, things that are well-known to be untrue - and to my mind, purposely leaving out key pieces of information is equally mendacious.
I will not be dragged into a discussion on information vs misinformation and who holds each. It looks like each side of this topic has their own valid sources, facts and legitimate opinions, differently from anti-vaxxer or chemtrailers and other conspiration theorists. It is not so clear where misinformation stands, and in my neutral stance over the two, I still can see the possibility of coexistence of different energy technologies, with possible mitigations for legitimate fears and criticism.
I feel there's more potential in coexistence than in segregation.
I think we should just turn off all the polluting power plants and all the polluting infrastructure, like this, bu.noblogs.org/the-necessary-s… (and then, obviously, we should not build new ones).
What do you mean by "polluting"? Releasing chemicals in the environment in order to produce anything (i.e. transform one energy into another), including production processes to build the necessary technologies? Find me anything that doesn't pollute then. Even the blacksmith or the woodworker are polluting, just to say. If you mean "pollute less" then one should be careful to set the threshold, as many things could be excluded that one would never think of.
@77nn > If you mean "pollute less" then one should be careful to set the threshold, as many things could be excluded that one would never think of.
I agree, and i would advocate to set that threshold according to an "ecosustainability" index, with a democratic process that would be open to all the municipalities, after we did this, bu.noblogs.org/the-necessary-s… - for now, it's totally clear that we should at the very least turn off the fossil fuels burning power plants and infrastructures, and nuclear power plants too (huge costs/little output aside, failure or bombing risks of nuclear power plants aside, the radioactive waste problem has no real solution now) - instead, they are growing: many big tech companies are extending their data centers, mostly due to the "AI" crazeness, building new nuclear plants, and burning fossil fuels is increasing too: GHG emissions are still increasing.
@77nn There are actually scientifically confirmed facts - vs outright lies, carefully pruned half-truths and the wilful omission of important facts because they don't suit the argument.
The nuclear fanboys are *exact* parallels to the antivaxxers.
I suppose you feel there's "more potential" in the coexistence of poisonous foods with healthy ones too?
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Jones
in reply to Jones • • •Jones
in reply to Jones • • •I've just marked it as noxious on mastodon.help, mastodon.help/instances?id=126… 😀
I can't do more now.
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I just want to add that, to my knowledge, when pro-nuclear people claim all the other ways of generating power are dirty too, they are right. I guess solar, wind and hydro aren't as much damaging, but they are, currently very much: gerrymcgovern.com/new-thinking…
cc: @gerrymcgovern
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gerrymcgovern.comLilly Hunter
in reply to Jones • • •Every thing we do - eating, breeding, exhaling CO2, is "dirty", but nuclear is so many orders of magnitude "dirtier" than pretty much everything other than coal.
Wind turbine blades are now being made of recyclable material, and there is an ongoing process to make every component of photovoltaic panels recyclable too. Hydro is less easy to characterise, as it can be done sensitively, or stupidly.
Using pumped hydro for longterm storage is superb!
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Gerry McGovern
in reply to Lilly Hunter • • •Funny how recycling is always an ongoing process, never planned from the beginning ... Oh, we're dumping these multitude of wind turbine blades and solar panels, but don't worry we're working on a solution.
Every gigawatt of wind power causes about 600,000 tons of rare earth toxic mining waste, much of it radioactive.
Wind and solar are just the latest tech fantasy that require hugely areas of the earth to become Green Sacrifice Zones.
@jones @gubi
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Lilly Hunter
in reply to Gerry McGovern • • •@gerrymcgovern I had the interesting experience of visiting the first modern wind turbine in Denmark around 1980, at an experimental college in Denmark called Tvind. It was huge, had only two blades, and the students had made it as part of their physics studies. It was done completely by discovery, trial and error.
Making the blades that large, and yet keeping them lightweight was a difficult problem for them to solve. /1
@jones @gubi
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Lilly Hunter
in reply to Lilly Hunter • • •@gerrymcgovern Fibreglass reinforced boats were becoming popular at that time, making pleasure craft more affordable, lighter and easier to build than traditional wooden boats.
I guess it was a no-brainer for them to adapt this technology for building the blades.
It is a great shame that it is such a difficult material to recycle - the upside was that the experiment at Tvind launched the Danish wind turbine industry, laying the foundations for the wind power we have today.
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@jones @gubi
Lilly Hunter
in reply to Lilly Hunter • • •@gerrymcgovern Science moves forward through increment and iteration. The Danes are very eco-conscious and have been making refinements to the materials they use the whole time.
One can ask, Would this industry have managed to establish itself and succeed if there had been an absolute stipulation on 100% recyclability from the beginning, with only the material sciences available 40 years ago?
I think we are getting better at it now though!
@jones @gubi
Gerry McGovern
in reply to Lilly Hunter • • •Unfortunately, the very foundations of the Scientific Revolution have demanded the destruction of Nature, as Carolyn Merchant pointed out in her profound book, The Death of Nature. The environment nearly always comes last, and is seen as a resource to be exploited. It's why we are where we are, on the verge of collapse, and wind and solar merely accelerate us forward because they simply add to the poisons and pollution.
@jones @gubi
UkeleleEric
in reply to Gerry McGovern • • •Carlo Gubitosa
in reply to UkeleleEric • • •Lilly Hunter
in reply to Carlo Gubitosa • • •@gubi I only came to know of that instance because they jumped in to attack me with their "We Know Best, We Are the Tough Guys" attitude.
They are not interested in discussions or exchanging knowledge, Carlo. They are an aggressive propaganda unit for the nuclear industry. They will waste your time forcing you to debunk increasingly ridiculous claims they pull out of thin air. Any interaction with them gives them a platform for their disinformation.
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Gerry McGovern
in reply to Carlo Gubitosa • • •@gubi @UkeleleEric
Here's a few good links I found on nuclear:
thetyee.ca/Analysis/2025/09/22…
cleantechnica.com/2025/09/10/s…
blog.ucsusa.org/edwin-lyman/fi…
nature.com/articles/d41586-024…
chemistryworld.com/news/the-ne…
The next generation of nuclear reactors will produce even more radioactive waste
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Gerry McGovern
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First off, it's not enough to be "less polluting" because we have so vastly polluted our environment. Secondly, we literally do not know the total environmental harms of these new technologies. We never do the proper research of harms of new tech--only 50 years later to we find out.
We're having the wrong debate, but it's the debate Big Oil and Big Tech want us to have. About the technology. We must talk about the culture and how to reduce energy.
@LaChasseuse @jones @gubi
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in reply to Gerry McGovern • • •@gerrymcgovern @UkeleleEric @gubi
I agree about the conversation being deliberately dragged away from degrowth by Big Tech and Big Oil via assorted insidious means.
But I think we're currently in this midst of unstoppable biosphere and climate collapse, the latter of which we know is now accelerating. Had we as a species one iota of sense we would be treating this as the worst case scenario extinction level event that it actually is. Which is to say, I think implementing radical degrowth and using the least polluting energy sort is worthwhile, it won't make a difference to our collective fate, which has for some time been sealed.
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I agree with you, collapse is coming. And I think we need to protect as much of wild nature and Indigenous people (because they have the wisdom to know how to start over) as we can. Instead, by promoting these "green" metals we are doing the exact opposite because where most of them are found is among wild nature and Indigenous people.
“You can’t restore the Earth by destroying it,” Sami Nils Utsi says.
@UkeleleEric @LaChasseuse @jones @gubi
Michaele Cutaya
in reply to Gerry McGovern • • •I don't see Big Oil supporting the development of renewables, do you? What I see is Big Oil financing fascism everywhere to kill renewables. (I mean the Nationalists far right in France for instance, should be 100% renewable as it would make the nation independent and sovereign, instead they are going all in on fossil fuels.) And everything has been said about how bad solar panels and wind energy are. I get the need for degrowth though.
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According to energy historian Jean-Baptiste Fressoz, who wrote the book More and More and More, the idea for an ‘ energy transition’ was “originally itself promoted by energy companies, not as a genuine plan, but as a means to put off any meaningful change.” There are games within games, wheels within wheels. As Fressoz points out, there is no energy transition, never was, never will be. As we fight over what's the best tech, our environment collapses.
@UkeleleEric @jones @gubi
Michaele Cutaya
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Gerry McGovern
in reply to Michaele Cutaya • • •@michaele I'd love to share your optimism but I've been hearing this recycling story for so long and it never pans out
Have you heard of Tom Murphy; absolutely brilliant thinker. When I asked Tom about the fossil fuels versus “renewable” energy debate, his response was simple: “In a sense, to me, the question is similar to: which is worse—death by decapitation or bullet through the head? What we do with the energy in either form is leading to a sixth mass extinction.”
dothemath.ucsd.edu/2024/08/mm-…
MM #11: Renewable Salvation? | Do the Math
dothemath.ucsd.eduMichaele Cutaya
in reply to Michaele Cutaya • • •Lilly Hunter
in reply to Gerry McGovern • • •@gerrymcgovern It has been pointed out that most ocean going freight vessels are moving fossil fuel around the globe. Ceasing to use 90% of fossil fuel (some is needed for non-combustive use, such as making synthetic textiles, cosmetics, cleaning products, medical uses) would lead to a huge drop in the number of diesel-burning ships travelling the oceans (in addition to a drop in emissions from heating buildings and running ICE vehicles).
Also, no more oil spills!
@jones @gubi
Gerry McGovern
in reply to Lilly Hunter • • •Right now, there is an oil, gas and coal boom. There has never been an energy transition in history and there never will be. I'd advise reading this book:
More and More and More, Jean-Baptiste Fressoz, Penguin, 2025
penguin.co.uk/books/464145/mor…
We're getting more oil, gas, coal, hydro, nuclear, wind and solar because we live in a Growth Death Cult.
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ChookMother 🇦🇺🦘
in reply to Gerry McGovern • • •@gerrymcgovern @gubi For Australia to make any timely progress toward net zero we'd have to first get rid of the career politicians and replace them with people who have no obligation to Big Money, who see climate change mitigation as more important than their personal popularity. People capable of saying "No!"
#auspol #climate #renewables
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LillyLyle/Count Melancholia
in reply to UkeleleEric • • •@UkeleleEric We must try harder to be better Ancestors. Not leave a pile of pollution and problems after us.
@gerrymcgovern @LaChasseuse @jones @gubi
Jones
in reply to Lilly Hunter • • •@gubi @gerrymcgovern
> Every thing we do - eating, breeding, exhaling CO2, is "dirty", but nuclear is so many orders of magnitude "dirtier" than pretty much everything other than coal.
I agree.
> Wind turbine blades are now being made of recyclable material, and there is an ongoing process to make every component of photovoltaic panels recyclable too. Hydro is less easy to characterise, as it can be done sensitively, or stupidly.
Ok, but the current reality is this...
gerrymcgovern.com/solar-is-che…
gerrymcgovern.com/solar-power-…
gerrymcgovern.com/wind-turbine…
gerrymcgovern.com/fake-renewab…
(and read the others as well, if you care).
> Using pumped hydro for longterm storage is superb!
I don't know. Seemed a great idea to me too, but i don't know its environmental impact.
Solar is cheap for a reason
Gerry McGovernTiTiNoNero
in reply to Jones • • •Why should you? Are they inciting violence, hate-speech, homo/trans-fobic or nazi ideas?
Seeing the world differently doesn't give you any "moral superiority", so why hiding a different worldview?
Jones
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Lilly Hunter
in reply to TiTiNoNero • • •@77nn The justification would be that they are spreading disinformation, ie, things that are well-known to be untrue - and to my mind, purposely leaving out key pieces of information is equally mendacious.
Compare vaccine misinformation?
@jones
TiTiNoNero
in reply to Lilly Hunter • • •I will not be dragged into a discussion on information vs misinformation and who holds each. It looks like each side of this topic has their own valid sources, facts and legitimate opinions, differently from anti-vaxxer or chemtrailers and other conspiration theorists. It is not so clear where misinformation stands, and in my neutral stance over the two, I still can see the possibility of coexistence of different energy technologies, with possible mitigations for legitimate fears and criticism.
I feel there's more potential in coexistence than in segregation.
Jones
in reply to TiTiNoNero • • •The necessary socialist International – bu
bu.noblogs.orgTiTiNoNero
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in reply to TiTiNoNero • • •@77nn
> If you mean "pollute less" then one should be careful to set the threshold, as many things could be excluded that one would never think of.
I agree, and i would advocate to set that threshold according to an "ecosustainability" index, with a democratic process that would be open to all the municipalities, after we did this, bu.noblogs.org/the-necessary-s… - for now, it's totally clear that we should at the very least turn off the fossil fuels burning power plants and infrastructures, and nuclear power plants too (huge costs/little output aside, failure or bombing risks of nuclear power plants aside, the radioactive waste problem has no real solution now) - instead, they are growing: many big tech companies are extending their data centers, mostly due to the "AI" crazeness, building new nuclear plants, and burning fossil fuels is increasing too: GHG emissions are still increasing.
The necessary socialist International – bu
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Lilly Hunter
in reply to TiTiNoNero • • •@77nn
There are actually scientifically confirmed facts - vs outright lies, carefully pruned half-truths and the wilful omission of important facts because they don't suit the argument.
The nuclear fanboys are *exact* parallels to the antivaxxers.
I suppose you feel there's "more potential" in the coexistence of poisonous foods with healthy ones too?
...all in the name of "bothsidesism", of course.
<rolls eyes>
@jones