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myrmepropagandist
in reply to myrmepropagandist • • •Here is Anton's video, he's pretty popular for science news, but he only really knows about space.
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in reply to myrmepropagandist • • •For the record... I don't find the idea of ants having some "self recognition" impossible or even unlikely.
What I'm getting hung up on is the idea that ants would pay attention to a mirror. Ants have poor vision, they are tactile creatures.
But maybe they ONLY pay attention if their reflection changes?
Gabriel N
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Matt T.
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in reply to myrmepropagandist • • •I, for one, find it hilarious when people declare themselves to have, "consciousness." It's weird and meaningless and it's the latest meaningless reason for humans to feel special.
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A critique, not having watched yet, is photons are not real ants and if you can't smell the other ant, they're not real or relevant (this, if they fail). Mostly humans are fascinated by things that look but aren't real, I'm not sure that's something to boast about.
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Sorry.
I'll watch in the morning. 💜
timoth‽
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Bringing this one back again:
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Dan Piponi
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Unknown parent • • •How smart could a creature that could *drown* possibly be?
Bryan L. Fordham
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Doing bee things for bee reasons.
Michael Gemar
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It's very contrived how we keep trying to get animals to do "tests" that are centered around things humans care about. People think it's significant to see "yourself" in a mirror.
I suspect that "ant ideas" don't have exactly parallel concepts. That is, I don't know what the test would prove if it worked.
Ants *do* care a lot about having the same pheromone profile as their colony.
Ants do some things we can't. No one likes to sit with that truth.
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myrmepropagandist
in reply to myrmepropagandist • • •If more people would just spend sometime watching ants carefully you'd see them making decisions, being confused, getting frustrated, feeling panicked or scared, and being sleepy.
You'd see them struggle and fight each other over who gets to do a task and then stomp off and walk in circles when they don't win.
There is a lot going on.
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Bryan L. Fordham
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in reply to myrmepropagandist • • •i'm not sure that, even if you can come up with a mirror test that would work with an ant's sensorium, it would be testing conciousness.
i mean, what if ant conciousness rests more at the hive level? testing an individual ant would be unhelpful.
edit: that sounds a bit Experiment Four, but what i mean is, what if one ant is dumb but the colony working together is smarter?
llewelly
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