Am I misunderstanding the scale of the potential problem?
Like, Facebook can set up their own instance, and then.....? I know that they want money and data (to sell for money), but does making their own instance give them access to data on other instances that isn't already public? Is the concern that a huge Facebook instance sucks up all the oxygen and new users who'd otherwise go elsewhere?
@TranshumanBlues Think about what Google did to email. SMTP is an open protocol like ActivityPub. Now think about what Google did to XMPP, also an open protocol. I bet your answer is "I don't know anything about SMTP or XMPP" and that's the problem, big companies "adopt the protocol" then after getting all the users onboard, they deprecate the open protocol using private APIs instead.
@gemlog @Andres @TranshumanBlues This thread https://mstdn.social/@BeerFox/110597321714642307 discusses some of the problems people have been having with gmail rejecting email due to inconsistent treatment of security features. I run my own email server too and had to scramble to update one of these just a few months ago to avoid getting into a permanent ban list. Just a few weeks ago, Google CalDAV changed login requirements.
I am also considering DecSync CC https://f-droid.org/packages/org.decsync.cc/so I can do things asynchronously with a lighter weight CalDAV server that is not exposed to the internet, but am not sure that's the way to go yet.
@comradeferret@TranshumanBlues Well, imo the main issue would be about how a dominant player could impose their rules, their extension to the protocol, or become the only player with enough manpower to keep up with complex spec (spec they would push/lobby). A bit like the situation of dominance of email by gmail, Internet navigation by Chrome, word processors by Microsoft, etc... They know how to ruin something to their advantage for buisness, imo...
Afaik the metrics are provided by the server you are using to access a post. And what a server can see depends on which instances it federates with. So accessing the post via different servers often results in different metrics being displayed.
Here is the same post viewed via the servers of your respective instances.
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in reply to David Revoy • • •Am I misunderstanding the scale of the potential problem?
Like, Facebook can set up their own instance, and then.....? I know that they want money and data (to sell for money), but does making their own instance give them access to data on other instances that isn't already public? Is the concern that a huge Facebook instance sucks up all the oxygen and new users who'd otherwise go elsewhere?
I feel like the naive noob in the room.
Andres Jalinton
in reply to Alyssa Voronin • • •Think about what Google did to email. SMTP is an open protocol like ActivityPub.
Now think about what Google did to XMPP, also an open protocol.
I bet your answer is "I don't know anything about SMTP or XMPP" and that's the problem, big companies "adopt the protocol" then after getting all the users onboard, they deprecate the open protocol using private APIs instead.
Kermode
in reply to Andres Jalinton • • •And I still have my own email. Two domains.
You can stick handle around the bastards.
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Mark Crocker
in reply to Kermode • • •@gemlog @Andres @TranshumanBlues
This thread https://mstdn.social/@BeerFox/110597321714642307 discusses some of the problems people have been having with gmail rejecting email due to inconsistent treatment of security features. I run my own email server too and had to scramble to update one of these just a few months ago to avoid getting into a permanent ban list. Just a few weeks ago, Google CalDAV changed login requirements.
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Paolo Redaelli
in reply to Mark Crocker • • •I can't speak for email but I warmly suggest you to move your contacts to a self hosted #Nextcloud or any other #caldav and #carddav server. See https://alternativeto.net/browse/search/?q=Carddav%20server
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Mark Crocker
in reply to Paolo Redaelli • • •@paoloredaelli@gemlog@Andres@TranshumanBlues moving to self hosted CalDAV has always been part of my plan. #DavX5 has only been a stop-gap till I get some other solution in place.
I am also considering DecSync CC https://f-droid.org/packages/org.decsync.cc/so I can do things asynchronously with a lighter weight CalDAV server that is not exposed to the internet, but am not sure that's the way to go yet.
Paolo Redaelli
in reply to Mark Crocker • • •Actually I use only #davx5 to interact with my #nextcloud #caldav and #carddav data…
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Afaik the metrics are provided by the server you are using to access a post. And what a server can see depends on which instances it federates with. So accessing the post via different servers often results in different metrics being displayed.
Here is the same post viewed via the servers of your respective instances.
https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/110583258129951932
https://mastodon.green/https://@davidrevoy/110583258129951932
(I get different statistics when I check out the post via my instance's server.)
David Revoy
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