Menstrual tracking app data is a ‘gold mine’ for advertisers that risks women’s safety
Cambridge researchers urge public health bodies like the NHS to provide trustworthy, research-driven alternatives to platforms driven by profit.Women deserve better than to have their menstrual tracking data treated as consumer data - Prof Gina Neff
Smartphone apps that track menstrual cycles are a “gold mine” for consumer profiling, collecting information on everything from exercise, diet and medication to sexual preferences, hormone levels and contraception use.
This is according to a new report from the University of Cambridge’s Minderoo Centre for Technology and Democracy, which argues that the financial worth of this data is “vastly underestimated” by users who supply profit-driven companies with highly intimate details in a market lacking in regulation.
The report’s authors caution that cycle tracking app (CTA) data in the wrong hands could result in risks to job prospects, workplace monitoring, health insurance discrimination and cyberstalking – and limit access to abortion.
They call for better governance of the booming ‘femtech’ industry to protect users when their data is sold at scale, arguing that apps must provide clear consent options rather than all-or-nothing data collection, and urge public health bodies to launch alternatives to commercial CTAs.
The High Stakes of Tracking Menstruation
In this report we map the existing and future harms of tracking menstrual cycles by Femtech companies and suggest ways to mitigate the risks to individuals and society.MCTD Cambridge (mctd.ac.uk)
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Buffalox
in reply to Pro • • •For christ sake, is there no open source option for such a simple task?
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2 people here could point to drip within 15 minutes of my post, and a third to the fact there are options on F-droid. So why the fuck don't women just use that?
Well i guess the ones with harmful advertising have better graphics or somemeting. Or the fact they allow advertising makes them more visible on google play. And you probably can't even get drip on iPhones.
meme_historian
in reply to Buffalox • • •There is!
It's called drip and is a project started by a berlin-based feminist collective iirc.
dripapp.org/
Free, open-source, local data only
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in reply to Buffalox • • •drip. menstrual cycle and fertility tracking | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository
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in reply to warm • • •People don't give a shit, and prefer to stay uninformed. Maybe more Darwin awards are necessary?
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Maybe that was out of line, but I'm just so fucking tired of people who choose to be ignorant.
LandedGentry
in reply to Buffalox • • •Everybody’s a bad ass talking about Darwin awards when that’s something they understand, but suddenly you will expect sympathy when it’s something you don’t. Maybe try havinga little more empathy for the people of the world who are not as aware of how bad privacy has gotten. Believe it or not, we are of a minority perspective. A very small one at that.
I’m more inclined to believe it’s partially a failure on our part to educate people, but mostly the issue is that it’s not a fair fight. You are expecting the average person to successfully overcome the resources and influence of sometimes decades old, billion dollar, multinational companies and governments. But I guess it’s a lot easier to just call everybody who doesn’t take this as seriously as we do a dumbass. Certainly allowed you to wipe your hands of it and act smug that’s for sure.
Buffalox
in reply to LandedGentry • • •LandedGentry
in reply to Buffalox • • •Not knowing how to install F Droid/to look for open source projects for sensitive data is not the same as voting for Trump or supporting Russia over Ukraine. The latter are taking bad information/prejudices and acting on them. The other people simply are not aware of the issue, or how serious of an issue personal privacy has become more broadly. Comparing them to MAGA and calling them stupid is not going to help them.
I bet if I looked at your smart phone or computer I would see plenty of services you use that compromise your privacy. Should I call you an ignorant hypocrite and berate you as well?
Buffalox
in reply to LandedGentry • • •I bet you won't.
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This is about advertising, and I have zero advertising on both my phone and desktop computer.
But thanks for downvoting my response based on actual knowledge of my own systems. While up-voting an idiotic completely unsubstantiated claim.
People here a weird sometimes!?
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freeman
in reply to warm • • •To be honest, the backing up is not trivial for most.
Even for me, while the technical aspect is no problem, the mental burden of thinking to do the backup and then the few minutes it takes to do the backup. Not a problem for a local only FOSS app but its quite a task to keep track of 10+ apps with different backup/export options, backup-passwords and so on.
I use a ToDo-App with recurring tasks but still
Skvlp
in reply to Buffalox • • •Drip looks to be available on Google Play, App Store and F-Droid.
It probably has a lot to do with informing people.
riquisimo
in reply to Buffalox • • •Local storage only, f-droid.
Botzo
in reply to Buffalox • • •Besides drip, Euki (github) is another option on both the play store and iOS.
Note that both of these options are maintained by tiny teams with limited resources.
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in reply to Botzo • • •If the apps work as intended, it doesn't really matter.
Hadriscus
in reply to Botzo • • •LandedGentry
in reply to Buffalox • • •I get what you’re trying to say, but this is basically just roundabout victim blaming. Women shouldn’t have to worry about whether or not someone is going to weaponize data on their menstrual cycle against them. Yes it is good to lock your door at night, but ultimately you don’t blame somebody for getting robbed just because they didn't lock it. You blame the thief.
Not everybody is as aware of privacy issues as the rest of us. We have to help them, not berate them.
Buffalox
in reply to LandedGentry • • •I'm just so fucking tired of how ignorant people choose to be.
Zak
in reply to Buffalox • • •They probably don't know about it. If I search "period tracker" on Google Play, Drip is in about 40th place in the results. That's several screens down, past a bunch of search suggestions, and the parts where it's open source, on-device, and optionally encrypted aren't clear until I tap on it and read the description.
There's some irony in a comment dealing with people making decisions that are against their interests because they're insufficiently informed speculating incorrectly about something like this when it's easy to check. Drip is, in fact available for iPhone.
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in reply to Zak • • •Zak
in reply to Blackmist • • •I'm not sure what the best answer to that is. I don't think it's forcing Google to improve its search results.
I want it to be the average person gaining a baseline level of computer and media literacy such that they seek out and find apps that cannot send sensitive data to third parties without the user's clear intent, but I don't think we'll ever get there.
Blackmist
in reply to Zak • • •u/lukmly013 💾 (lemmy.sdf.org)
in reply to Zak • • •It is improving search result, with filters. Ads, tracking, data deletion possibility, in-app purchases, license, etc...
At least some of these are already tracked.
Buffalox
in reply to Zak • • •Nima
in reply to Buffalox • • •erm, I do use Drip actually. i have used it for over a year now as I didn't want trackers knowing my cycle.
women do use drip. we just don't advertise it, usually.
i have also recommended it to friends who were looking for a more simple app than these google play store ones.
Ulrich
in reply to Buffalox • • •ace_of_based
in reply to Buffalox • • •i'd like to point out that it shouldn't be on women (or anyone) to be on constant guard against attacks on their privacy.
yes, it is the state of the world, but the attitude of your comment is victim blaming.
let's not forget that while we on Lemmy may be aware of the danger of mass surveillance tech, we're not the majority.
snowden told us years ago how fucked everything is, and surveillance has only grown since then. let's not forget that it is not normal that corpo data-mining is the norm (along with included de-facto warrantless surveillance). Even though we all should be better, nobody should have to be as careful as we are.
hell, let's be real. As long as we use a smartphone, we're not being careful enough either.
Buffalox
in reply to ace_of_based • • •But still walking alone into a dark alley at night in a questionable neighborhood is not the smartest thing if you don't want to be assaulted.
ace_of_based
in reply to Buffalox • • •you don't have to apologize, that's not my point. in fact i want you to quietly think about how what you said before, and just now might be wrong til it hits home for you.
i know it seems like im baiting an answer. its the net, arguing is fun, nothing's stopping you from replying, but I'm being straight with you. stop victim blaming. you're not stupid, im not saying you are. *please, stop. it only helps the oppressor, and we're all getting stomped by that boot.
i want you to know im not tryina bust your chops specifically. sure, i picked your comment to reply to, but it's nothing personal.
I'm also speaking broadly to the room, reminding everybody what we already know; that how we look at pervasive surveillance n how we got to live under it is absolutely broken.
GreatAlbatross
in reply to Buffalox • • •meneervana
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in reply to Buffalox • • •over_clox
in reply to Pro • • •I happen to be a penis owner.
So what would happen if I were to install and use such a monthly tracker app and pretend I've been having regular monthlies for a while, then suddenly I miss a couple periods, then suddenly start having periods again?
Would the cops come beating my door down claiming I had an abortion? 🤔
Fuck this dystopian mass surveillance shit!
Chickadeelight
in reply to over_clox • • •That's like 95% of Lemmy.
over_clox
in reply to Chickadeelight • • •I actually own 2 penises, I keep the spare in a jar in case of an emergency.
/s 😂🤣
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in reply to Tower • • •over_clox
in reply to Tower • • •Thank you for the public service announcement, I had no idea this was such a common issue. I should probably keep some emergency testicles around as well..
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Zak
in reply to over_clox • • •I don't think that has happened starting from a period tracking app yet. There was a case involving an unencrypted messaging app used to discuss a criminalized abortion.
WhiteRice
in reply to over_clox • • •Spaniard
in reply to over_clox • • •I keep track of my wife's period.
I use mensinator on fdroid made by two woman.
github.com/EmmaTellblom/Mensin…
She didn't do it, so I had to.
GitHub - EmmaTellblom/Mensinator: Privacy focused period tracking!
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Lka1988
in reply to mariusafa • • •Not everyone uses Android devices.
Edit: do you people not understand context? The person I replied to specifically mentioned F-Droid, which is ANDROID ONLY.
NOT_RICK
in reply to Lka1988 • • •Well on iOS there’s the Apple health app. To my knowledge it stores health data locally. I’ll double check now.
Edit: it does store health data in iCloud by default, but according to Apple its end to end encrypted
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in reply to mariusafa • • •Autonomous User
in reply to Hadriscus • • •Not surprising, 'open source' is a deliberately ambiguous term, engineered to derailed libre software. First, clear up your own understanding, before telling others. Use simple words like control, scam and abuse. See this example. lemmy.world/post/21620691
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ValiantDust
Unknown parent • • •Do people need an app for taking notes? Or a calendar?
Sure, I used to do it on paper for many years. But it's much more convenient to track it on my phone, which I have almost always with me. That way I can check whether I'm likely to be bleeding heavily before making plans with my friends to go swimming that day or on a long hike without access to a toilet.
Also many women don't just track the blood flow but also other data like temperature, cervix and cervical mucus. This helps calculate the most fertile days. It's much easier to let an app do that.
Goodmorningsunshine
in reply to Pro • • •pruneaue [she/they]
in reply to Goodmorningsunshine • • •ValiantDust
in reply to Goodmorningsunshine • • •Drip, the app mentioned several times in this thread, let's you encrypt the locally stored database with a password you have to enter every time you open the app. How is that not safer than a random piece of paper?
It's so exhausting that this thread is full of men telling women what they should and shouldn't do while having very little knowledge about the topic.
Goodmorningsunshine
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in reply to ValiantDust • • •ValiantDust
in reply to Goodmorningsunshine • • •I get that. It shouldn't be necessary to do research just to be sure it's safe. I apologise for my aggressive tone. It must be really scary and exhausting to live somewhere like that. My country is still holding up but seems to be sliding slowly in that direction too.
So do whatever makes you stay safe and feel safe.
Goodmorningsunshine
in reply to ValiantDust • • •Nima
in reply to Goodmorningsunshine • • •it can be tracked safely with an app that only stores local data.
I'm not sure what you're scared of.
Lka1988
in reply to Goodmorningsunshine • • •Convenience wins out 99% of the time. Why carry a pen/paper when one can use the same device they already carry around? Hell, I don't even use pen/paper anymore because my phone handles all that for me.
That said, I did set up some infrastructure at home that I use to store as much of my private data as possible.
ayyy
in reply to Goodmorningsunshine • • •Nima
Unknown parent • • •absolutely. you can also go back to sending hand written mail instead of using email or messaging apps too, but this is 2025 and software exists to help keep track of this.
also apps exist that store local data only.
blitzen
in reply to Pro • • •I legitimately have an idea for an app that solves this problem. Its key feature, besides being open source, would be that people without uteruses could use it too, making any data conceivably collected useless.
I don’t have the skills to make it myself (yet), but if any developer wants to talk I’ll give the idea away. I just want it to be made.
App would be open source, all data local. Perhaps the option to sync to encrypted iCloud or Android equivalent, but certainly not a cloud-based option you need a new login for. All the features currently in these kinds of apps and that make them useful for menstruating people. Now replace “period” with “hair cut”. Non-menstruating people can now use it, earnestly, for tracking when their last hair cut was, making it useful and the data (if it were to be collected somehow) just noise.
I even have a name in mind: “hair.cuts” (heavy emphasis on the period in the name.) Idea is that anyone with it on their device has plausible deniability that they are using it for period tracking, but the “period” in the name is an implicit wink so we all know what it’s really being used for.
Spaniard
in reply to blitzen • • •GitHub - EmmaTellblom/Mensinator: Privacy focused period tracking!
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in reply to StenSaksTapir • • •StenSaksTapir
in reply to Autonomous User • • •I don't disagree with that, but the point here was freedom from advertisers and general data privacy, not data portability.
But there is an "export all data" feature in health, though.
Autonomous User
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in reply to Appoxo • • •Yes, probably someone would like to, but they can't.
I don't know anything about health app in particular, but they posted some cool methods for finding highlight photos in your library using what they call "differential privacy" on their research blog.
machinelearning.apple.com/rese…
Learning Iconic Scenes with Differential Privacy
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in reply to Autonomous User • • •Autonomous User
in reply to ayyy • • •Anti-libre software, Apple Health, bans us from proving this and worse, bans us from fixing it. We do not control it. 🚩 Others here have already given a solution.
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in reply to Autonomous User • • •Autonomous User
in reply to ayyy • • •Getting an app like drip, libre software, is not 'extremism'. lmao
drip/LICENSE at master · jfr3000/drip
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in reply to 9tr6gyp3 • • •9tr6gyp3
in reply to Autonomous User • • •Apple already fixed it years ago when they released iOS 12.
support.apple.com/en-us/111755
Can you name a phone that has open source basebands that has a FLOSS license attached to it? Surely if you're arguing against apple, you are not using a phone that has proprietary blobs in the firmware.
About the privacy and security of your health records - Apple Support
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in reply to 9tr6gyp3 • • •Wrong, as shown above, Apple Health fails to include a libre software license text file. We do not control it, anti-libre software.
'Open source' misses the point of libre software.
9tr6gyp3
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in reply to Autonomous User • • •It doesn't move at all. If your hardware is compromised, then it doesn't matter what apps or software you run, right? Its not under your control.
So which phone has libre baseband firmware?
Autonomous User
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in reply to Autonomous User • • •ayyy
in reply to Autonomous User • • •Autonomous User
in reply to ayyy • • •You have failed to tell her. Shows how little you're doing to fix this.
Libre software is not perfect. Fake privacy is bad.
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in reply to cheese_greater • • •Novaling
in reply to ValiantDust • • •Exacty, Drip features tracking for temperature, cervical mucus, the cervix, sex (solo or partner), desire, pain, and mood, along with spotting and your bleeding levels. It's not just about "when will I have my period?" Additionally I love Drip because of the heads-up notif I get from them 3 days before my predicted period date. Also ut's nice to have a computer calculate when my period will be and shows me if any were a little off or earlier than expected.
Plus since it's encrypted and local, law enforcement would have to crack that to find my period data. I could totally imagine law enforcement coming up with a bullshit warrant and breaking into someone's home, and finding a calendar or notebook marked with their period data and being tried for it.
belastend
in reply to Novaling • • •andros_rex
Unknown parent • • •The same could be said of to-do lists, right? But I still like having an app with a checklist, because my phone is always with me and a piece of paper is not.
When I did have periods (thank god for testosterone), I had a really difficult time keeping track of them and they were often very irregular. The app I used helped me pick up patterns and would warn me when I needed to be prepped. My dysphoria cope was pretending that they didn’t happen ever, so it was helpful to have that occasional “hey, pack some pads today” as a notification without constantly checking a calendar.
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in reply to Pro • • •Yes of course but it's marketing data.
Marketing data. We need it for marketing to people so they can spend money.
Don't you understand! Marketing data!!!
docmark
in reply to mechoman444 • • •It's not nefarious! We just wanna send you the right ads when your hormones are in flux and you're vulnerable!
Also we promise we definitely will hand over your menstrual data the second your GOP Governor requests it. /s
If we're gonna be going full cyberpunk I'd better see a lot more fuckin neon over the next few years.
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