Israel enforcing Gaza evacuations with grenade-firing drones
Soldiers most commonly use EVO drones, produced by the Chinese company Autel, which are primarily intended for photography and cost around NIS 10,000 (approximately $3,000) on Amazon. However, with a military-issued attachment known internally as an “iron ball,” a hand grenade can be affixed to the drone and dropped with the push of a button to detonate on the ground. Today, the majority of Israeli military companies in Gaza use these drones.
In the reports, all Palestinians killed were listed as “terrorists.” However, S. testified that aside from one person found with a knife and a single encounter with armed fighters, the scores of others killed — an average of one per day in his battalion’s combat zone — were unarmed. According to him, the drone strikes were carried out with the intent to kill, despite the majority of victims being located at such a distance from the soldiers that they could not have posed any threat.
Indeed, commercial drones converted into weapons have become common on modern battlefields because they offer a low-cost, accessible alternative to traditional airstrikes. Both Ukraine and Russia have used Chinese-made DJI drones in the current war in eastern Europe, outfitted with 3D-printed mounts to carry grenades and other explosives. In May, after China discovered that Ukraine was using commercial drones for military purposes, it banned their sale to the country, according to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
Edit: After a user pointed out that China does not deliver to Israel I virtually colonized Palestine and confirmed that there are indeed no deliveries to Israel on both Aliexpress and Amazon.
Israel enforcing Gaza evacuations with grenade-firing drones
Israeli soldiers tell +972 they deliberately target Palestinian civilians with drone strikes so others will ‘learn’ not to return.Ben Reiff (+972 Magazine)
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •geneva_convenience doesn't like this.
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in reply to ZeroHora • • •No they have banned them for far longer.
Until China stops selling weapons to the IDF I will put China on blast for being complicit in genocide.
ZeroHora
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Far longer since then?
Edit: You right, I read it wrong, they are limiting since 2024.
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in reply to ZeroHora • • •RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •商务部 海关总署 国家国防科工局 中央军委装备发展部公告2023年第28号 关于对部分无人机实施临时出口管制的公告
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •don't like this
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geneva_convenience
in reply to Flyberius [comrade/them] • • •In this case they are weapons and China knows that they are being used as weapons to Genocide Palestinians.
China has banned export of commercial drones to Ukraine and Russia because they were being used as weapons.
China is directly complicit in the genocide in Gaza.
RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •You keep saying this, and I don't understand why I'm the only one who sees this framing as bullshit. There are no targeted drone export bans; there are export restrictions on the entire drone industry in China.
This means that these export restrictions impact Israel as well.
商务部 海关总署 中央军委装备发展部公告2024年第31号 关于优化调整无人机出口管制措施的公告
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in reply to RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them] • • •RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Which Chinese drones can they get from Amazon? I just replied to you in another comment and showed that the AUTEL brand drones can't be shipped to Israel via Amazon, and they have a statement on their website making it clear they will not ship them. hexbear.net/comment/6319426
DJI doesn't appear to ship to Israel either and also has a statement on their website from 2022 about the use of their drones for military operations.
Oh, I'm sorry! Did I provide you evidence that there are no targeted bans on drones? Why do you think Ukraine can't "buy drones from China" (again, a process you haven't even explained)? Is it because they have no functioning economy and no semblance of an operating country because their territory is currently and actively being besieged? Is UPS supposed to roll up on the battle field and drop off a stack of DJI drones from a recently obliterated Amazon Warehouse directly to the Azov Battalion?
We live in a globalized capitalist economy; you could buy DJI drones right now and contact Zelenskyy directly and have them shipped to his doorstep tomorrow if you so wished.
DJI Statement On Military Use Of Drones
DJI NEWSgeneva_convenience
2025-07-10 15:07:59
queermunist she/her
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •This is a consequence of not cutting off trade with Israel. These are commercial drones from independent sellers that Israel is converting to military use (so it's not like China is selling them weapons) but China could stop this.
China has been reducing trade with Israel since this phase of the genocide began, but it has been a slow process. I suspect that China is worried about Western retaliation, which doesn't really excuse trading with Israel but does help to explain it.
geneva_convenience
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •That's complete nonsense. China is most definitely in a position to stop this, similar to how they stopped drone export to Russia and Ukraine.
You are not allowed to make this argument if China has not even put Israel on the drone export blacklist. Smuggled goods are one thing. But China fully condones this. And they ship them directly to Israel.
queermunist she/her
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •I know? I literally said "China could stop this."
That doesn't tell us why they haven't, though. The only thing that makes sense is their usual abundance (or excess) of caution. Any actions taken against Israel will be seen as an attack by the West, even something like a drone blacklist, and they're keen to avoid direct confrontation with the West as long as possible.
This isn't a justification, just an explanation.
geneva_convenience
in reply to queermunist she/her • • •My bad I think I misread your argument because of " These are commercial drones from independent sellers that Israel is converting to military us" because they are primarily made by Autel. You can even get the drop mechanisms directly from Amazon because Autel drones are so (in)famously used for this.
In this case I do classify drones directly as weapons
RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •You are editorializing the title of the article here, because the title on 972mag is "Israel enforcing Gaza evacuations with grenade-firing drones" or "‘Like a video game’: Israel enforcing Gaza evacuations with grenade-firing drones." It isn't until the byline that China is even mentioned. The bulk of this article isn't about the role Chinese drone makers play here, but the conduct of the IDF.
You've selected some pretty choice paragraphs from this otherwise lengthy article to support this framing. But if you dug deeper into the links provided in the article, you'll find information that provides more context on the claim that "In May, after China discovered that Ukraine was using commercial drones for military purposes, it banned their sale to the country." This is a claim not made by any Chinese official, but, however, by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
But what does the article linked under the words "it banned their sale" say when we follow it?
It's clear that China has not banned Ukraine's access to the drones but instead applied "export control restrictions" on the export of drones and drone technology. According to Newsweek, The New York Times published a report that "confirmed that China's export controls ... had the effect of stopping Ukrainian forces from accessing commercial drones..." However, they do not link to this report from the NYTs. They do, however, provide a link under "export controls."
The article is titled "China Has Hobbled Russia's Drone Industry." So, it would seem that this "export control" measure implemented by China is also impacting Russia and its use of drones. I'm not sure how this "support[s] the Kremlin..." as implied by Newsweek. Let's see what they say:
So it would seem that these export controls have had a similar impact on Russia's ability to use and produce drones. But these are all from 2023, so maybe things have changed? Here is an article from the Financial Times published this year: Chinese drone parts prices double as export controls bite.
Let's go back to the article from 972. What did they say about these drones being used by the IOF in the second paragraph?
It is entirely possible that these drones are being purchased out of a stockpile available from Amazon being held by resellers. That is pure speculation, but not outside the realm of possibility. What is clear, however, is that China has made the export of its drone technology increasingly difficult for all nation-states to import, hampering even its allies' wartime industries. This ultimately does hinder Israel's drone program as well, since China makes up 80% or more of the world drone market.
While we're on the subject of China and Amazon, let's look closer at both parties' economic involvement in the genocide.
In a recent report released by UN human rights expert Francesca Albanese, entitled "From economy of occupation to economy of genocide," there is one Chinese company listed, Bright Food (Group) Co., Ltd.
Amazon, however, is mentioned several times:
Could China be doing more regarding the genocide in Gaza? That I think we can all agree on. However, it seems clear to me that the global drone industry is suffering under these export controls, and short of fully killing the drone market in China, commercial drones are still going to be acquired by all wartime actors, by whatever means necessary. Israel's drone warfare is predominantly supplied by its own national manufacturers and will seek to pivot to other sources as Chinese-made drones become more scarce.
China Has Hobbled Russia's Drone Industry
Ellie Cook (Newsweek)geneva_convenience
in reply to RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them] • • •China is still selling drone motors to Ukraine and Russia that much is true. But making a custom drone is a far heavier task than buying an AUTEL drone and the drop mechanism for it on Amazon
And I've posted about Amazon million times about them already. Not sure what your point is. Did you think I wasn't going to criticize China too? They're directly complicit in genocide by selling drones to Israel which they know will get used by the IDF. This has already been brought to their attention and they have ignored it.
RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Where does the IDF get their drones sourced from? Resellers? Direct partnerships with AUTEL? China has implemented global restrictions on selling drones and drone technology for the use as weapons. You continue to say that "China is selling drones to Israel," but all you've shown is that Israel is acquiring Chinese drones; how they source them is important here, and you have yet to show how they source these drones. If they are sourcing them through third-party resellers internationally, then that's obviously different compared to the claim that they're getting them "from China," which, again, you haven't defined in any capacity. Amazon could be that third-party entity that facilitates getting around these export restrictions, which is why it's relevant. The drones featured in the article you posted are easily acquired from Amazon.
You know, I decided to look at Amazon's Israeli website, and they won't even ship AUTEL drones to Israel.
So the question still stands: how does the IDF get the drones? According to Autel, they have banned the sale of their drones to the entire region. They've made two statements on the matter. Here:
Non-Military Use of Autel Robotics Products Statement
www.autelrobotics.comgeneva_convenience
in reply to RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them] • • •geneva_convenience
in reply to RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them] • • •Not according to the article.
I don't really care about how things are intended and what Chinese law is. I have read enough "international law" and "Geneva conventions" to fully ignore anything written if it contradicts reality.
RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]
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