@bhaug So what about what? Their own denial? Their flimsy proof that they can't possibly bahve any backdoor in their server code because their client code is open source?
On the + sie they publish their whole client code in GitHub (for what that's worth). I am not an #ITsec expert and cannot judge if there are still backdoors possible.
This Otis guy is a murky figure, parts of his story don't make sense as apparently HE was asked by the criminals to use the service first.
It's easy to damage reputations in this domain, so what's a bit surprising is that Tutanota did not sue Ortis for these extremely damaging statements to wash themselves clean (his claims would have undergone scrutiny in a court trial then).
@mini_george "#Proton is incorporated and headquartered in Switzerland, meaning your data is protected by some of the world's strictest privacy laws." This CEO shouldn't even comment on USpol proton.me/mail @jonah
Proton Mail is the world’s largest secure email service with over 100 million users. Available on Web, iOS, Android, and desktop. Protected by Swiss privacy law.
I hope you do know that a significant chunk of your userbase in this network values both privacy and resisting authoritarian powers (who absolutely do not value the former) and your stances here are severely lacking on the latter.
@protonprivacy I have one question: at what cost? Human rights, gay rights, women's rights, trans rights, immigrant rights, and so much more.
The GOP *is* the party of billionaires (look at donors, Project 2025, etc). The fact that a stopped clock might give the right time is mostly irrelevant if that same clock pushes for all other clocks to stop as well (I know, bad analogy, but work with me here).
That doesn't mean I like Dems - they're feckless *b/c* they are rolling over to Trump.
@protonprivacy Proton customer here and MSP. I'll be migrating my accounts and will be advising my clients to take their business elsewhere. I will not host with a company who decides to publicly snuggle up to these fascist fucks without any legal compulsion to do so.
@protonprivacy @jonah Obviously American politicians including JD Vance and Chuck Schumer both are hacks for the billionaire class, so claiming Vance and other Conservatives are acting in good faith is so so so obviously very silly, these people will throw your digital rights advocacy under the bus the moment it suits them. Everyone sees your face when you do this.
@protonprivacy if im being honest i dont think either party is very likely to tackle big tech abuses, if republicans wanted to tackle big tech abuses they would have done it already 4 years ago
first off, this seems largely BS. Trump and co’s first priorities are to drive out department heads that were cracking down on tech. But secondly, to blame corporate Dems (who are bad) for your embracing an authoritarian fascist regime is not the brave look you’re suggesting. I will also be looking for a new email service.
@protonprivacy Thanks for letting me know your feelings about a party spouting genocidal bigotry and actively calling for the ouster of progressives and leftists, if not their outright murder.
@protonprivacy Are you also planning on dropping the Republican party if it looks like "money wins & constituents lost" in the end, under your new plan?
@protonprivacy Right. Let's trust the orange idiot who did the following: - called nazis "very fine people" - wanted to nuke a hurricane - drew on a weather map instead of admitting he was wrong about something innocuous - stared directly at an eclipse - routinely ripped up documents that needed to be preserved - cozied up to the very people Proton is supposed to protect against - allowed Covid to rampage through the country - incited a terrorist attack on the US Capitol
Proton Visionary customer since many years here. This isn't going to fly. Just as I closed down my Kagi subscription since they're sending money to Russia I have no problems closing down my Visionary subscription if you publicly chose to support fascism.
@protonprivacy I'm surprised that you chose to die on this hill.
Trump paying lip-service to something you agree on is definitely not a good reason to throw your support behind him. The guy is famously a con-man, and putting aside his words (which are inconsistent at best), his demonstrated actions and values are not something to be supported.
@protonprivacy Trump campaign has been funded by all the big tech (Apple, Meta, etc…) are you serious??? If you’re going that way I don’t want my money to go in the same direction so I’ll have to look for Proton alternatives
@protonprivacy Trump has surrounded himself by Tech oligarchs. Why would you believe this? Also why should I stay an unlimited member if you’re going to spout this crap
@protonprivacy Republicans as in racist, sexist, homophobic pro-lifers, anti-immigrants, anti-LGBTQ? Good to see my yearly subscription pays salaries of right-wingers, will be considering my options for the next year.
@protonprivacy you know you can hate the Democrats without supporting fascists right? Like they can both be bad? Just because Democrats are owned by money doesn't mean Republicans are good for the world at all--or that they aren't also owned by money. Wake up, we live in a capitalist society, ALL politicians are a part of that system. And the ones you're supporting want a lot of your userbase dead.
Look. While I disagree, I do get that you feel like you have to defend privacy by lobbying against U.S. Big Tech, too, and thus become active in U.S. politics to some degree. But please be aware of your roots (scientific community) and probably the majority of your paying customers (progressive, open-minded folks), and how it makes you look openly positioning yourself behind the upcoming U.S. president, right next his sycophants such as X and Meta.
@protonprivacy Just what in the motherfucking shit makes you think any part of Trump’s cabinet is going to be anti-big tech when Musk has purchased a fat tent that he just pitched right inside Trump’s ear, Bezos is leveraging an entire newspaper to spread Trump’s propaganda, and Zuckerberg is turning the largest social network into an algorithm that feeds everyone pro-Trump news?
@protonprivacy I'm really glad I switched from your VPN when I did, I just regret ever giving you money. Enjoy getting back stabbed by conservatives as soon as you're not useful for them, good luck having your face eaten by leopards
@protonprivacy Really? This requires a very narrow view of what the Trump-Reps are, how they operate and to ignore that they just see antitrust as an instrument of revenge, not idealism. As a Swiss, CERN-related company, you have more to lose than to win with Trump/Musk. 😬
I will check that alignment with Proton in 🇨🇭 tomorrow. I hope our company doesn‘t need to cancel its corporate subscription with Proton because of hate-supporting tendencies …
@protonprivacy The party of Thiel & Musk & a party leader literally offering political patronage in exchange for donations is going to restrain big business? 🤨 They're the poster boys of regulatory capture. @jonah
@protonprivacy What the f*ck is this? You're the corporation sucking on Donald's toes right as the Republicans deliberaly show just how much of a radical fascist they're willing to put in power. Privacy isn't just about big tech and you're delusional if you think Republicans will fight Big Tech. Oh and fascism has always destroyed privacy. Your justification is BS.
Wave goodbye to my money as well as my recommendation of @protonprivacy to friends and colleagues, dipshit CEO
@protonprivacy I can't believe this utter bollocks is being spouted by a company that allegedly supports privacy and personal choice.
The GOP is currently run totally for the benefit of billionaire fascists with the support of working class fascists who hate everyone who isn't exactly like them.
The President elect is a federal criminal bent on overthrowing the US constitution.
Looks like Proton is done as a serious choice for anything really 😕🤦♂️
@protonprivacy This is not a flavour I want from my non-US based privacy services provider.
What's this kind of US partisan speak doing coming from a Swiss company? Complicity with political oligarchies - whether in France, Russia, the US, wherever - is exactly what you're supposed not to be for.
Can't believe you were given the option to make a credible denial but instead doubled down.
@protonprivacy Do you hope to achieve more by praising power? You used to criticize Big Tech for their abusive practices, plain and simple and provide an alternative. I am disappointed by you praising a political party for POTENTIAL FUTURE ACTS, which you have no way of knowing for sure if they will happen. I do like your product, but this statement is opposed to the reason I started using Protonmail in the first place. How unfortunate.
@protonprivacy "And Mussolini made the trains run on time." I strongly support Proton's work to build some of the most securely private products out there, but making a statement like this (summary: "the Dems didn't do what we wanted so instead we're endorsing the incoming authoritarian regime") is not only enforcing a false binary, it's acting OPPOSITE of privacy interests. The people who MOST NEED Proton-like tools will be (ARE) the first victims under the new American fascism.
Edit: oh… Naughty, naughty, Proton to delete your response to @jonah's post @ mastodon.neat.computer/@jonah/… without an explanation or rectification. The Internet doesn't forget…
@protonprivacy Oh dear. That statement is so politically uneducated it is frankly cringe… As if a government with counting Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk and supported by Peter Thiel was not corporate captured and was ever going to tackle big tech.
@protonprivacy no no no it's a fight between one faction of the elite against another. Trump or reps are absolutely not protecting anyone. let's see anti trust against musk elon and bezos shall we?
@protonprivacy You can't be so naive. I have Proton Unlimited until December 2026 and deeply regret my renewal a month ago. If I could, I would cancel it today.
@protonprivacy Republicans are more likely to tackle Big Tech? Elon Musk is litterally going to be a member of the USA Government in a few days and he is actively trying to buy Congress. I’m sorry, but you really need a reality check.
@protonprivacy Whoever runs this account. Genuinely, deeply and from the very bottom of my heart: go fuck yourself.
You're supporting a guy treating to invade half of his allies, deport naturalised American citizens, take away gay rights and women rights, set up a modern gestapo, crash the economy with tarrifs, and disassemble basically every useful government agency.
Also trump is in bed with Elon Musk, Zuckerberg, and Bezos. You must be actually genuinely fucking stupid.
@protonprivacy Dems being crap does not make the Republicans the good guys. Sorry it’s not that simple but yall are setting your following on fire with these simplistic takes.
Did you notice which big tech businesses are funding this inauguration? FB, Amazon, etc. it’s clear as day.
@protonprivacy corporate capture of Dems is real, but not absolute. Biden administration did serious antitrust work. I heard JD Vance's remarks on Big Tech pre-election, but I'll take Trump seriously on antitrust when he starts challenging the Musk empire. Right now it reads like he's just swaying Big Tech's policies in his policy options' favour, and succeeding. Your core business is trust and privacy, you're not doing a good job defending it here.
@protonprivacy The most important value we have to fight for, is democracy itself.
I don't know about the Democrats, but Donald #Trump has shown that he does not care about the people, the constitution or democracy. And I'm not sure he will ever leave the white house. He's only allowed to have 2 elections? "Fake news"! He wasn't elected as President for life? "Fake news"! He's not King of the United States of Trump? "Fake news"!!!
@protonprivacy I hope whoever came up with this lunacy of "since Party A wasn't helping, we'll go support Party B who is actively hurting us instead" has already been sacked for cause and frogmarched out the door.
Congratulations, you're famous now for all the wrong reasons.
Have you lost your minds? Republicans ARE big tech: -Musk is practically the president elect -Peter Thiel just wrote an insane pro-Trump editorial in the Financial Times -Zuckerberg is throwing Trump a party -Bezos killed the editorial endorsing Harris -Andreessen Horowitz (biggest VCs in silicon valley) back Trump -Trump's FCC killed net neutrality -Tim Cook donated $1 million to Trump's inauguration (he didn't to Biden's)
etc etc
But I think you knew all this and you're just trying to make excuses for supporting a vile inhumane piece of excrement whose main source of support is bigotry against minorities.
@protonprivacy Yes, I'm sure the administration that received a 1 million dollar tribute from every single big tech company will rush to reign them in. Republicans famously love to regulate businesses if they harm consumers - except for in every case ever. Statements like this make me wonder if this tech bro is so far up his own ass that he believes this, or if he thinks that everyone else is so stupid that we will believe it.
All these SAME big tech guys (except Thiel) were all in for Obama and Biden before they were all in for Trump. They're not Republicans nor are they Democrats. They're greedy opportunists, exploiters, and extortionists. They're grifters, like Trump himself. They follow the money and power. The criticism of the current state of the democratic party leadership right now is solid. I have never and WILL NEVER support or vote for a Republican, I'm definitely...
@protonprivacy I hope whoever came up with this lunacy of "since Party A wasn't helping, we'll go support Party B who is actively hurting us instead" has already been sacked for cause and frogmarched out the door.
Congratulations, you're famous now for all the wrong reasons.
@protonprivacy Corporate Dems aren't actively agitating for concentration camps where they will send the unwanted immigrants, disabled, poor, queer, trans, dissenters, etc. while ending net neutrality, privacy and civil rights online.
You've knowingly chosen Nazis over bureaucrats and you're attempting to justify the unjustifiable. You've intentionally chosen evil and it's unforgivable.
@protonprivacy Best of luck processing all the refund requests. Probably not the greatest idea to piss off your customer base by sucking up to a fascist.
@protonprivacy With all of the big tech behind Republicans?
Should I remind you that Big Tech will get into or close to the next US administration, which also plans to hurt vulnerable people and groups? That Musk, the owner of X, is basically the main advisor to President-Elect Trump?
@protonprivacy "At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance."
I don't think that this anecdote particularly bolsters your case that the Republicans have a significantly stronger appetite for antitrust legislation.
@protonprivacy I see a parallel in this argument with the Dems' policy weaknesses on Gaza which arguably cost them the White House in 2024.
Because Dems weren't tough enough on Israel, progressive voters abandoned Harris and helped Trump win. But Trump and the Reps will be even less tough on Israel, virtually ensuring greater peril for the Gazans in the future.
@protonprivacy I appreciate that JD Vance was the only one who showed up to the invitation, but his doing one (ostensibly) positive thing in the midst of a ton of negative ones doesn’t make him, or the party he’s part of, worthy of ANY praise.
Weird and sincerely concerning that the head of a company that isn’t even based in the States (and for good reason) is praising what is widely identified as its incoming fascist party, one loaded to the rafters with billionaires working fervently to roll back the rights of those little guys you somehow think they’re defending.
I’ve sung Proton’s praise for the years I’ve been using it as my primary email source — and have been trying to get my family there, too — but I can’t and won’t continue to support it after this.
@protonprivacy as a #proton client, I was disappointed to read about their CEO, but even more to read the official account being used to justify his words even though they seem quite opposed to the values the company claims to favour. Will need to think about alternatives and reconsider my choices.
@protonprivacy How do you get the idea sucking MAGA just because the democrats aren’t progressive? You want progressive and go right wing? makes sense right 🤡 how about speaking up against anyone about big tech?
@protonprivacy Proton, are you serious?? That's siding with fascists. Yes, Dem's need to oust the corporate assholes, but literally siding with fascists who want to kill people like me isn't a smart move. I won't be recommending your products to anyone.
There's ways to fight for anti-trust and for privacy without siding with fascists. Thanks.
@protonprivacy Watching what was a well-respected institution like Proton beclown itself in this way is revolting.
Coming onto Mastodon of all places to vomit your rationalizations for supporting a neofascist MAGA movement is a breathtakingly bad decision, especially for an organization that depends so much on its reputation and trust. The last Trump administration tried to abuse the All Writs Act to compel backdoors in technology like yours. They are promising to persecute immigrants, minorities, women of childbearing age, and the LGBT community; the kind of people for whom private communications is literally a life-or-death matter. To align yourself with an explicitly malign incoming Trump administration with a well-established history of abusive pro-surveillance measures is to make yourself untrustworthy in the eyes of the people that need you the most.
I don't know who is operating this social media account, or what possessed you to post this nonsense. Your literal job is to try to build and maintain a positive reputation among your potential customer base, and yet you use your time to shred that reputation in an act of performative self-destruction. You should back away from the keyboard, take a walk, and self-reflect.
Or you could just keep posting through it, as you seem to be doing here.
@protonprivacy "The reality is that the 'Leopards Eating People's Faces Party' remains more likely to tackle face-eating crimes". Are you for real? If this is the mind behind Proton, I'd better drop the product immediately. @jonah
@protonprivacy ridiculous. both parties bow to big corporate whenever they get the chance. the realistic, emancipatory perspective is fighting both, not bootlicking
@protonprivacy nothing you've said indicates that republicans are actually going to do anything you want them to do. this is ridiculous and embarrassing. the rest of us minorities who use your tools to be safe have been fucked over by democrats for decades without running to the overtly worse option of republicans.
@BroBot90001 @Infoseepage I recommend @Tutanota. I’ve been with them for over a year and have only good things to say. Even the free version comes with tons of features, including sending encrypted emails to non-users (the process was easy for both parties when I used it).
There are extra features with the paid version but I’ve never used them, so I can’t speak to it, but I don’t see why they wouldn’t work as great.
@Infoseepage @protonprivacy Any recommendations on alternatives? Got things currently set up with proton but will gladly drop it and move away from this kinda of duck headed fascist enabling.
@kevin There is literally no way Trump intends to go after Big Tech in any way that doesn’t directly benefit him. He’s not going to suddenly demand his oligarch buddies give up these platforms. Believing the Republicans on this is like trusting a wolf to oversee your sheep.
Yup. That's why big tech are kissing Trump's ring, they know this is the only thing Trump actually cares about.
Trump doesn't care about anything except people praising him and giving him money and power. There is never going to be a priniciple that Trump stands for, because he has no principles at all except his own self-gratification.
As a Mastodon/fediverse supporter it bums me out that this was posted to Reddit, and Andy Yen framed this as “a Tweet from my personal account from last year suddenly got resurfaced on BlueSky,” but anyways here’s his final reply for anyone interested:
sb arms & legs
in reply to Jonah Aragon • • •Oh nooo 🙁
I've heard good things about #tutaMail. It appears to be #openSource.
I do seem to remember possibly hearing something similar to what's happening now to proton happening to them though... I'm digging around for it.
*edit: oh right... It's a #honeypot set up (at least in part) by my government:
torontosun.com/news/national/e…
Additionally, it was never actually open source, either.
Accused RCMP leaker tells of clandestine operation, moles inside law enforcement
Canadian Press (Toronto Sun)B.
in reply to sb arms & legs • • •tuta.com/blog/tutanota-not-a-h…
Tuta Is An Independent Company And Not Linked To Secret Services | Tuta
Tutasb arms & legs
in reply to B. • • •@bhaug
So what about what? Their own denial? Their flimsy proof that they can't possibly bahve any backdoor in their server code because their client code is open source?
Please. Give me a break.
B.
in reply to sb arms & legs • • •@sb
#Tutanota #honeypot?
On the + sie they publish their whole client code in GitHub (for what that's worth). I am not an #ITsec expert and cannot judge if there are still backdoors possible.
This Otis guy is a murky figure, parts of his story don't make sense as apparently HE was asked by the criminals to use the service first.
It's easy to damage reputations in this domain, so what's a bit surprising is that Tutanota did not sue Ortis for these extremely damaging statements to wash themselves clean (his claims would have undergone scrutiny in a court trial then).
(Dear @Tutanota team, why didn't you?
@sb, are there other indications for the honeypot claim? because this single one doesn't completely hold for me.
*thebureau.news/p/alleged-rcmp-…
Alleged RCMP mole researched Brit spy "Kim Philby" while leaking Five Eyes intel to Hezbollah
Sam Cooper (The Bureau)Heliograph
Unknown parent • • •This CEO shouldn't even comment on USpol proton.me/mail @jonah
Proton Mail: Get a private, secure, and encrypted email account | Proton
ProtonTommi 🤯 → 39C3
in reply to Jonah Aragon • • •Weird Socks
Unknown parent • • •@dgodon
Wow. This is a stunning mask off.
I'm getting anything Proton out of my machines right this very moment.
Shine McShine
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy You know, nobody's asking you to 'pick the corporate Dems'. This isn't Sophie's Choice, you don't have to pick sides.
Yet you've decided to side with the fash.
And those who work with fascists are, in fact, fascists.
LiquidParasyte
Unknown parent • • •Weird Socks
Unknown parent • • •S. Grisham
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy So you’re a Russian op.
Bye.
Hache☕
Unknown parent • • •So, to gain favours in the US you sided with openly fascist, racists, misoginists, transphobes, insurrectionists, and conspiracionists.
We, the non US based clients and users of your platform are watching this. And we know which side to pick, and that is never the fascists side.
Congratulations, you broke the trust on your comunity, hope your bussiness feel it in the wallet.
For now, you've lost another client. Bye bye.
Lenko
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy
What a disappointment to read this.
I thought I had found a truly neutral place to migrate my information and now I find it surrendered to the feet of the most stale politics.
ಚಿರಾಗ್ 🌹✊🏾Ⓥ🌱🇵🇸 (he/him)
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy I have one question: at what cost? Human rights, gay rights, women's rights, trans rights, immigrant rights, and so much more.
The GOP *is* the party of billionaires (look at donors, Project 2025, etc). The fact that a stopped clock might give the right time is mostly irrelevant if that same clock pushes for all other clocks to stop as well (I know, bad analogy, but work with me here).
That doesn't mean I like Dems - they're feckless *b/c* they are rolling over to Trump.
1/?
bri
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy glad i already stopped giving you money went you went all in on ai bullshit.
putrid.
Infoseepage
Unknown parent • • •Big Ben
Unknown parent • • •WHOAH what the actual fuck?!?!?!?
mothma
Unknown parent • • •v0idness
Unknown parent • • •Noxy 🐾🏳️🌈
Unknown parent • • •Noxy 🐾🏳️🌈
Unknown parent • • •Demian
Unknown parent • • •But secondly, to blame corporate Dems (who are bad) for your embracing an authoritarian fascist regime is not the brave look you’re suggesting. I will also be looking for a new email service.
Brock
Unknown parent • • •Hey Andy! You seem to have forgotten that Trump's Attorney General William Barr tried to force backdoors in encryption.
arstechnica.com/tech-policy/20…
@protonprivacy why you sucking up to big tech nazis? Why choose to slurp orange nut sack instead of shutting the fuck up?
Tech firms “can and must” put backdoors in encryption, AG Barr says
Kate Cox (Ars Technica)Stephen K 🔑☢️⚛️🇺🇦
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy Thanks for letting me know your feelings about a party spouting genocidal bigotry and actively calling for the ouster of progressives and leftists, if not their outright murder.
Will be cancelling my VPN this evening.
Brad
Unknown parent • • •Draken BlackKnight
Unknown parent • • •Right. Let's trust the orange idiot who did the following:
- called nazis "very fine people"
- wanted to nuke a hurricane
- drew on a weather map instead of admitting he was wrong about something innocuous
- stared directly at an eclipse
- routinely ripped up documents that needed to be preserved
- cozied up to the very people Proton is supposed to protect against
- allowed Covid to rampage through the country
- incited a terrorist attack on the US Capitol
Troed Sångberg
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy
Hi Proton,
Proton Visionary customer since many years here. This isn't going to fly. Just as I closed down my Kagi subscription since they're sending money to Russia I have no problems closing down my Visionary subscription if you publicly chose to support fascism.
Not with my money.
@jonah
Democracy Matters reshared this.
K~
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy
I'm surprised that you chose to die on this hill.
Trump paying lip-service to something you agree on is definitely not a good reason to throw your support behind him. The guy is famously a con-man, and putting aside his words (which are inconsistent at best), his demonstrated actions and values are not something to be supported.
Ivan Enderlin 🦀
Unknown parent • • •Marco van Burgsteden 🍋
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy
Hmm. I was until very recently seriously contemplating moving all private mail to you guys. But I'll browse a bit further thank you.
Bigots.
Ruled by thieves
Unknown parent • • •Armeris 🔻🇵🇸 ⁂
Unknown parent • • •Michael Santaly
Unknown parent • • •Security Writer
Unknown parent • • •Aenea
Unknown parent • • •gato_garden🏴🏴☠️
Unknown parent • • •Morgan ⚧️
Unknown parent • • •Sensitive content
Flam
Unknown parent • • •But please be aware of your roots (scientific community) and probably the majority of your paying customers (progressive, open-minded folks), and how it makes you look openly positioning yourself behind the upcoming U.S. president, right next his sycophants such as X and Meta.
Big Ben
Unknown parent • • •Democracy Matters
Unknown parent • • •Thanks for the #Disinformation
Freyja 🕯️🕯
Unknown parent • • •I'm pretty happy that I didn't subscribe to your services by being too lazy.
Author Andrew Massie 🏴
Unknown parent • • •Elosha
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy Really? This requires a very narrow view of what the Trump-Reps are, how they operate and to ignore that they just see antitrust as an instrument of revenge, not idealism. As a Swiss, CERN-related company, you have more to lose than to win with Trump/Musk. 😬
I will check that alignment with Proton in 🇨🇭 tomorrow. I hope our company doesn‘t need to cancel its corporate subscription with Proton because of hate-supporting tendencies …
Antonio Picornell 🏳️🌈
Unknown parent • • •reading with a dog at my feet
Unknown parent • • •@jonah
Mlékař Dan 🦣
Unknown parent • • •Tungsten_carbide 🍉
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy What the f*ck is this? You're the corporation sucking on Donald's toes right as the Republicans deliberaly show just how much of a radical fascist they're willing to put in power. Privacy isn't just about big tech and you're delusional if you think Republicans will fight Big Tech. Oh and fascism has always destroyed privacy. Your justification is BS.
Wave goodbye to my money as well as my recommendation of @protonprivacy to friends and colleagues, dipshit CEO
Simon Zerafa (Status: 😷🧑⚕️🌈)
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy
I can't believe this utter bollocks is being spouted by a company that allegedly supports privacy and personal choice.
The GOP is currently run totally for the benefit of billionaire fascists with the support of working class fascists who hate everyone who isn't exactly like them.
The President elect is a federal criminal bent on overthrowing the US constitution.
Looks like Proton is done as a serious choice for anything really 😕🤦♂️
Ida loves Earth
Unknown parent • • •WHAT??!!!
Moe Lassus
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy Fucking hell
@protonprivacy have you never heard the saying, “if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging”?
Stop digging!
13 barn owls in a trenchcoat
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy This is not a flavour I want from my non-US based privacy services provider.
What's this kind of US partisan speak doing coming from a Swiss company? Complicity with political oligarchies - whether in France, Russia, the US, wherever - is exactly what you're supposed not to be for.
Can't believe you were given the option to make a credible denial but instead doubled down.
10/10 for honesty I suppose.
Jose
Unknown parent • • •TuringOracle
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Unknown parent • • •Fabian Egli
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Unknown parent • • •Brian C. Stearns
Unknown parent • • •Will Phoenix
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy You didnt have to even support them but now between this and a few other things including terrible service.
Time to migrate my secure email and VPN needs to somewhere else.
I will not support a company that supports fascism
find me: @pumiquxt@sfba.social
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy
congratulations. Yee's post had me considering leaving you. this just clinched it
FWIW, you have legit concerns about corp dems, but aliging with the fascist party betrays you
ziproot
Unknown parent • • •SoydelBierzo ⁂
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy hi, Proton Duo customer here.
Was my money finished on Trump nazi hands????
I think I'll move to another service not tied with nazi racists
Nanny Frog
Unknown parent • • •Ret
Unknown parent • • •Augier (fr & en) 🇵🇸🇺🇦☭🏴
Unknown parent • • •Edit: oh… Naughty, naughty, Proton to delete your response to @jonah's post @ mastodon.neat.computer/@jonah/… without an explanation or rectification. The Internet doesn't forget…
@protonprivacy Oh dear. That statement is so politically uneducated it is frankly cringe… As if a government with counting Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk and supported by Peter Thiel was not corporate captured and was ever going to tackle big tech.
WTF is going on in your head, people?
Jonah Aragon
2024-12-24 02:50:46
Didier Raboud
Unknown parent • • •Lukas 🥔
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Unknown parent • • •Oiseau Rouge
Unknown parent • • •your userbase values privacy AND antifascism, just sayin’ 😒
It’s like a Zuckerberg tier attitude
Renaud
Unknown parent • • •Antonio Páez 🇲🇽🇨🇦
Unknown parent • • •Are you drunk?
O Paulo 🏴
Unknown parent • • •Simplicator
Unknown parent • • •Sylvhem
Unknown parent • • •Sensitive content
I’m sorry, but you really need a reality check.
Alex
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy
Whoever runs this account. Genuinely, deeply and from the very bottom of my heart: go fuck yourself.
You're supporting a guy treating to invade half of his allies, deport naturalised American citizens, take away gay rights and women rights, set up a modern gestapo, crash the economy with tarrifs, and disassemble basically every useful government agency.
Also trump is in bed with Elon Musk, Zuckerberg, and Bezos. You must be actually genuinely fucking stupid.
Ypanocayo
Unknown parent • • •Ruth [☕️ 👩🏻💻📚✍🏻🧵🪡🍵]
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy Dems being crap does not make the Republicans the good guys. Sorry it’s not that simple but yall are setting your following on fire with these simplistic takes.
Did you notice which big tech businesses are funding this inauguration? FB, Amazon, etc. it’s clear as day.
Martin Pigeon
Unknown parent • • •Felix
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy The most important value we have to fight for, is democracy itself.
I don't know about the Democrats, but Donald #Trump has shown that he does not care about the people, the constitution or democracy. And I'm not sure he will ever leave the white house. He's only allowed to have 2 elections? "Fake news"! He wasn't elected as President for life? "Fake news"! He's not King of the United States of Trump? "Fake news"!!!
I won't use any proton services anymore.
Parleur
Unknown parent • • •@jonah
Eholienne
Unknown parent • • •good luck with that
Big Ben
Unknown parent • • •Jonathan Koomey
Unknown parent • • •Ahahahahahahahajahah!
Trebach
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy I hope whoever came up with this lunacy of "since Party A wasn't helping, we'll go support Party B who is actively hurting us instead" has already been sacked for cause and frogmarched out the door.
Congratulations, you're famous now for all the wrong reasons.
@jonah
FediThing
Unknown parent • • •Have you lost your minds? Republicans ARE big tech:
-Musk is practically the president elect
-Peter Thiel just wrote an insane pro-Trump editorial in the Financial Times
-Zuckerberg is throwing Trump a party
-Bezos killed the editorial endorsing Harris
-Andreessen Horowitz (biggest VCs in silicon valley) back Trump
-Trump's FCC killed net neutrality
-Tim Cook donated $1 million to Trump's inauguration (he didn't to Biden's)
etc etc
But I think you knew all this and you're just trying to make excuses for supporting a vile inhumane piece of excrement whose main source of support is bigotry against minorities.
find me: @pumiquxt@sfba.social
Unknown parent • • •buh-bye
RightSprung will not comply
Unknown parent • • •Going full fash. Good to know.
Equinox
Unknown parent • • •drew batchelor
Unknown parent • • •philjreese
in reply to FediThing • • •@FediThing
@protonprivacy @jonah
All these SAME big tech guys (except Thiel) were all in for Obama and Biden before they were all in for Trump. They're not Republicans nor are they Democrats. They're greedy opportunists, exploiters, and extortionists. They're grifters, like Trump himself. They follow the money and power. The criticism of the current state of the democratic party leadership right now is solid. I have never and WILL NEVER support or vote for a Republican, I'm definitely...
stux⚡
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy
Everything for business right?
Really shameful how fast Proton threw away any standard it had left. There's no excuse
@jonah
draeath
Unknown parent • • •hackermatic
Unknown parent • • •Trebach
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy I hope whoever came up with this lunacy of "since Party A wasn't helping, we'll go support Party B who is actively hurting us instead" has already been sacked for cause and frogmarched out the door.
Congratulations, you're famous now for all the wrong reasons.
@jonah
Urzl
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy Corporate Dems aren't actively agitating for concentration camps where they will send the unwanted immigrants, disabled, poor, queer, trans, dissenters, etc. while ending net neutrality, privacy and civil rights online.
You've knowingly chosen Nazis over bureaucrats and you're attempting to justify the unjustifiable. You've intentionally chosen evil and it's unforgivable.
Büügman
Unknown parent • • •keith
Unknown parent • • •fuck. i was weaning myself off gmail and onto proton then this tech-bro nonsense rolls through my feed.
Phoenix Paulina Schmid
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy With all of the big tech behind Republicans?
Should I remind you that Big Tech will get into or close to the next US administration, which also plans to hurt vulnerable people and groups?
That Musk, the owner of X, is basically the main advisor to President-Elect Trump?
Basil
Unknown parent • • •A Slightly Orange Cat
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy "At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance."
I don't think that this anecdote particularly bolsters your case that the Republicans have a significantly stronger appetite for antitrust legislation.
A Slightly Orange Cat
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy I see a parallel in this argument with the Dems' policy weaknesses on Gaza which arguably cost them the White House in 2024.
Because Dems weren't tough enough on Israel, progressive voters abandoned Harris and helped Trump win. But Trump and the Reps will be even less tough on Israel, virtually ensuring greater peril for the Gazans in the future.
Likewise, R's will abandon antitrust concerns
Reay
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy I appreciate that JD Vance was the only one who showed up to the invitation, but his doing one (ostensibly) positive thing in the midst of a ton of negative ones doesn’t make him, or the party he’s part of, worthy of ANY praise.
Weird and sincerely concerning that the head of a company that isn’t even based in the States (and for good reason) is praising what is widely identified as its incoming fascist party, one loaded to the rafters with billionaires working fervently to roll back the rights of those little guys you somehow think they’re defending.
I’ve sung Proton’s praise for the years I’ve been using it as my primary email source — and have been trying to get my family there, too — but I can’t and won’t continue to support it after this.
Carlos Cámara
Unknown parent • • •Lars ♾️🌱
Unknown parent • • •The Bird
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy
Proton, are you serious?? That's siding with fascists. Yes, Dem's need to oust the corporate assholes, but literally siding with fascists who want to kill people like me isn't a smart move. I won't be recommending your products to anyone.
There's ways to fight for anti-trust and for privacy without siding with fascists. Thanks.
user8e8f87e
Unknown parent • • •El Duvelle
Unknown parent • • •faraiwe
in reply to Jonah Aragon • • •Dave Wilburn
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy
Watching what was a well-respected institution like Proton beclown itself in this way is revolting.
Coming onto Mastodon of all places to vomit your rationalizations for supporting a neofascist MAGA movement is a breathtakingly bad decision, especially for an organization that depends so much on its reputation and trust. The last Trump administration tried to abuse the All Writs Act to compel backdoors in technology like yours. They are promising to persecute immigrants, minorities, women of childbearing age, and the LGBT community; the kind of people for whom private communications is literally a life-or-death matter. To align yourself with an explicitly malign incoming Trump administration with a well-established history of abusive pro-surveillance measures is to make yourself untrustworthy in the eyes of the people that need you the most.
I don't know who is operating this social media account, or what possessed you to post this nonsense. Your literal job is to try to build and maintain a positive reputation among your potential customer base, and yet you use your time to shred that reputation in an act of performative self-destruction. You should back away from the keyboard, take a walk, and self-reflect.
Or you could just keep posting through it, as you seem to be doing here.
Joris Meys
Unknown parent • • •@protonprivacy HAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA Good one, almost believed you were serious.
fastcompany.com/91257772/trump…
Nicolay Doytchev
Unknown parent • • •We know most Democrats are bought and paid for. Andy's statement implies that Republicans are not.
Bianco Titanio
Unknown parent • • •Are you for real? If this is the mind behind Proton, I'd better drop the product immediately. @jonah
gruenemotte
Unknown parent • • •wander // doe
Unknown parent • • •adingbatponder
in reply to stux⚡ • • •Tuta
Unknown parent • • •Celeste Ryder 🐾 🐀🏳️🌈
Unknown parent • • •@BroBot90001 @Infoseepage I recommend @Tutanota. I’ve been with them for over a year and have only good things to say. Even the free version comes with tons of features, including sending encrypted emails to non-users (the process was easy for both parties when I used it).
There are extra features with the paid version but I’ve never used them, so I can’t speak to it, but I don’t see why they wouldn’t work as great.
Communication is good too!
Brock
in reply to Infoseepage • • •Any recommendations on alternatives?
Got things currently set up with proton but will gladly drop it and move away from this kinda of duck headed fascist enabling.
KDDLB
in reply to Jonah Aragon • • •Why Big Tech deplatforming should be deeply disturbing for everyone, regardless of your politics
Andy Yen (Proton)Jose
in reply to KDDLB • • •FediThing
in reply to Jose • • •@j_s_j @kevin
Yup. That's why big tech are kissing Trump's ring, they know this is the only thing Trump actually cares about.
Trump doesn't care about anything except people praising him and giving him money and power. There is never going to be a priniciple that Trump stands for, because he has no principles at all except his own self-gratification.
Jonah Aragon
in reply to Jonah Aragon • • •As a Mastodon/fediverse supporter it bums me out that this was posted to Reddit, and Andy Yen framed this as “a Tweet from my personal account from last year suddenly got resurfaced on BlueSky,” but anyways here’s his final reply for anyone interested:
reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/s/089Q… #protonmail
Bytebro 🇬🇧 🇺🇦
in reply to Jonah Aragon • • •So basically a complete non-apology.
#toodles @protonprivacy