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How is Tumblr’s Fediverse integration coming along?

They’re testing “all the protocols” including ActivityPub, Bluesky, and Nostr.

One of their fears is that Tumblr will overwhelm any protocol it opts to use.

https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/04/this-week-in-apps-jack-dorsey-backed-bluesky-social-apps-teen-protections-twitter-clients-get-help/

@fediversenews

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in reply to Chris Trottier

Tumblr apparently gets about 9.7 million posts per day, so this doesn't strike me as unreasonable.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230201011442/https://www.tumblr.com/press

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in reply to Infrapink (he/his/him)

@Infrapink That means they’d be generating 1/4 of Fediverse content should they join.

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in reply to Chris Trottier

@Infrapink wouldn’t that mean that instances would face a 25% increase in usage? That would be pretty substantial for smaller servers to have to absorb. 

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in reply to Chris Trottier

@Archnemysis@Infrapink it would presumably be even more of an impact not just because of size but also because of the medium Tumblr deals in is not just text AND a few very popular accounts could have broader reaching impacts on federation. I want them to do it but I am glad they are being thoughtful about it.

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in reply to Archnemysis

I'm very late to this, but I don't think that would actually be a problem for small instances (like mine) because of the way federation works.

Your instance doesn't federate all activities on the whole fediverse, it doesn't even federate the activities on whole instances (unless you use relays). Fedi only federates the activities from the actors you follow and the activities that directly interact with yours. Everyone else's activities are not federated so they don't really have an impact on your instance's load, making the number of users on a different instance generally pretty irrelevant.

The only actual reason you might perceive an increase on load is that since there are more people on the network, you might get some more followers, but since we're talking about just one instance being added, if my understanding of the protocol is correct, this wouldn't be a big problem since your instance only has to make one call to tumblr's inbox indicating what actors your activity is to be delivered to ​:nkoHappy:
in reply to Chris Trottier

this seems completely and totally reasonable. This isn’t something you just turn on without testing it significantly and ideally without talking to other stakeholders.

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in reply to Chris Trottier

I feel like the best way to handle this is to have this opt-in per blog. That way it blunts the blow of having the floodgates opened all at once, and allows some people to protect themselves against bad actors from certain instances.

ActivityPub seems like a no-brainer. Nostr is Cryptoland (which I don't imagine the Tumblr community likes either) and Bluesky/ATProto is centrally-controlled.

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in reply to Blake Leonard

hey why does an unlisted post that doesn't ping the news group get boosted too? I intentionally opted out of that
in reply to Blake Leonard

@blake By replying to @fediversenews, you are participating in the group. That is, you’re sharing your post to what’s considered a group actor.

See also:

https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/feps/fep-1b12.md

Mastodon doesn’t officially support groups, but Friendica does. However, Mastodon interprets group sharing as boosts.

Remember: while Mastodon is part of the Fediverse, it is not the Fediverse.

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in reply to Puzzled2 🇨🇦 🇺🇦

@Puzzled2@blake The most important thing you need to know is that how you use the Fediverse is neither uniform nor universal.

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in reply to Puzzled2 🇨🇦 🇺🇦

@Puzzled2@blake The group doesn’t behave like Mastodon, because it isn’t Mastodon. It’s Friendica.

You can post to this group by mentioning the group name. Your post will also be part of the group if you simply reply to a post in the group.

Think of it like a Facebook group. But you’re looking at it through Twitter.
in reply to Blake Leonard

If you block the group actor, it won't be able to boost your posts, but in that case, many people will also miss your reply
in reply to Blake Leonard

@Blake Leonard @Chris Trottier Is it part of an existing thread?

It's important to know a few things. First, #Friendica isn't a brand-new group attachment to #Mastodon, it's a wholly separate social network project and six years older than Mastodon (2010 vs 2016).

Second, Friendica doesn't use #ActivityPub internally. ActivityPub is an add-on that was developed years after Friendica's initial release.

Third, therefore, Friendica doesn't know what "unlisted" is. "Unlisted" is an ActivityPub invention and not included in Friendica's internal protocol.

Fourth, Mastodon threads are series of posts. Friendica threads are like a blog post plus comments. This model doesn't support changing access rights (e.g. from public to unlisted if Friendica knew unlisted) in the middle of a thread.

Fifth, this also means that if you reply to a post that's somewhere in a Friendica thread, your reply will be pulled into the thread, no matter how, even without mentioning the group.
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

@jupiter_rowland So if I don't want to participate in the group, I shouldn't reply to any of these threads. Got it.
in reply to Jupiter Rowland

@jupiter_rowland However, if you visit @fediversenews from the Mastodon web interface, Mastodon identifies it as a group.

FEP is extending Friendica groups (and similar group actors) into ActivityPub itself.

https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/feps/fep-1b12.md

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in reply to Chris Trottier

I feel like Tumblr's adoption of ActivityPub has the potential to be another inflection point for the Fediverse and a major comeback for Tumblr itself. I am optimistic.

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in reply to Chris Trottier

Assuming they have more competence than #AndrewTorba, they will be fine.

And since #Gab's 2-3 million users flooded the #Fediverse before I'd say we're better equipped now to handle an influx of traffic