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The moderation policy changes at Meta are deeply troubling and should be a concern to anyone with a conscience. While the fediverse is a decentralized platform where different service providers have different moderation policies, at mastodon.social, hate speech is prohibited, and we will take action on any Threads account found violating our policies. I would strongly urge anyone with a Threads account to reconsider their alignment with the new direction at Meta and move to Mastodon instead.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

And everyone who isn't concerned, please stay exactly where you are.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

the clue is "anyone with a conscience." That leaves out the tech industry, Republicans, and evangelicals
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

serious (and sincere!) question: do you have the actual manpower/means to deal with potentially thousands of reports in the coming weeks?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

there's the proverb about being in bed with an elephant. It doesn't work well since a Mastodon is a lot like an elephant. Anyway, fediverse integration with Meta and other large evil corporations is looking like a worse and worse idea. Meta is a very large elephant to sleep next to.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

would be so great if Threads would allow people to shift to a Mastodon instance and migrate their follows and followers as they do.
in reply to David August

@davidaugust Yes. Sadly the interoperability on Threads' side is still lacking in this aspect, and they cannot move accounts between servers like Mastodon users can. However, at least those who migrate can re-follow their Threads contacts manually to help them make the transition to Mastodon. Maintaining interoperability from our side is important to enable this.

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

agreed, and thank you for that. The portability of social graphs is a wonderful thing that can help drive good things in many ways.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

That is a good point, which makes any decision to defederate from Threads more difficult I guess, we need to help not hinder transition to fedi.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

It got me to delete my Threads and Instagram accounts yesterday, even though I was mainly using them as placeholders at this point. My Facebook account has been deleted for many years.

Mastodonโ€ฆthis is the way!

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in reply to flo

@fasnix
I've had a Pixelfed account for a while and I think it's very good for sharing and engaging with other people's images. However, the addicting feature for Instagram is Reels. It's literal brain rot. So I'm happy to have it out of my life. I suppose Loops will try to be a less addicting version of Reels, but I'm good with just using Mastodon and using the rest of my free time for better things.
@flo
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Eugen, sorry, but, if now Threads has stated they will not comply with any common moderation policies, do you still think .social should federate with them?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I am blocking threads after Biden steps down. I will miss Obamas posts and thatโ€™s it but I have no need to keep a link with that shit.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Agreed that Meta's changes are troubling and concerning. So I would strongly urge you and any instance admin exposing their users to the harassment there to reconsider their alignment with Threads and defederate now .

That's expecially for you and mastodon.social. Think about the message that you're sending: "Instead of proactively protecting people on this instance, we'll wait for you to be harassed and then take action on individual harassers. And, we'll make that the default for new Mastodon users!"

There's a huge opportunity for Mastodon here if you take a courageous position. So please do!

@Gargron

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in reply to The Nexus of Privacy

@thenexusofprivacy fuck yeah, Nexus! Eugen, you should have never trusted Meta, there's still time to cut ties with them before things get too bad to mitigate: DEFEDERATE!
in reply to Eugen Rochko

The changes to the wording of the #moderation policies #Facebook and #Threads are deeply concerning to hear about, however, they feel more like they are openly admitting what has always been the case than any substantive change. The company has always had an internal policy, like most other corporate social networks, to allow #HateSpeech and other #misinformation to proliferate, as these drive the engagement metrics that drive revenue, on top of often aligning with the values of leadership.

At #TechHub, our policy has, so far, been a "wait and see" approach. We have not blocked Threads yet, but if the time comes when they do finally federate, if ever, we are committed to the plan of taking server level action should their lack of moderation become too much of a problem for us.

Either way, this only underlines the need to bring more people into the #Fediverse network, and away from the large corporate #SocialNetworking services.

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in reply to Raccoon๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ

@Raccoon Glad to hear #TechHub is taking a wait and see approach. I think we have a much better chance to the #Fediverse growing if there isn't a wall between the Fediverse and where most users (of a wide variety of reasonable ideological stripes) happen to reside right now. Thank you.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Eugen, the OWNER OF THREADS and the entire platform guidelines violate "our policies". It's not about a single account.

Do they still meet the federation requirements? .online and .social already don't federate with many instances that explicitly allow and/or even target certain audiences and content.

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

so that means that for the moment you continue federating threads at the instance level? Is this subject to ongoing scrutiny in regards to metas behavior?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

If Meta is more free for hate speech now why are they moving to Mastodon?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

So the responsibility for moderating federated Threads posts/accounts passes to the (often unpaid, volunteer) moderators of instances that federate with them.

Shrewd move by Meta, then. ๐Ÿ™„

Any other instance with the lack of moderation that Threads has - and will have to a much, much larger extent after this change of policy - would have been defederated by the majority of other instances long ago.

With its open signups and federation with Threads, it seems likely that more and more instances will defederate from mastodon.social as time goes on.

That would be a great shame unless, of course, there are plans to sell it to Meta in due course.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

I find negativity generally annoying and counterproductive, which is why I love platforms or apps that allow *me* to decide what to filter out. (I have numerous filters set up in Ivory because while I appreciate someoneโ€™s creativity and many things they share, I absolutely do not want to hear their political opinions, regardless of their โ€œside.โ€) So while I understand your perspective here, I also wonder who determines what constitutes speech that is not allowed in any given category.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

individual account blocking is fine and all, but does mastodon.social not have a policy to block entire servers, if their moderation policy (or practices based on observed evidence) systemically support those problematic accounts?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@tom

i wish most admins on fedi would make a strong distinction between any speech (hate, misinfo etc) and unwanted tagging. as part of the open web, people can post whatever they want on their blog. the problem arises when we force people to see stuff they don't want to. the fedi avoids most of this by not having algos or ads. mods should be harsh on bothering others & fediblocking servers that don't police abusive accounts is also appropriate imo. but threads can't even tag us yet.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

Who decides what hate speech is anyways?
Meta goes from one extreme to another. I have seen posts about the war in Gaza being deleted by these so called 'moderators'.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

What would need to happen to reach the decision of fully defederating and blockinh threads? Deeply concerned might be just not enough at this point.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I do like the community notes feature on Twitter. Iโ€™m not suggesting that it replace moderation, but it is a useful feature.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

how can you possibly moderate all of Threads for all of mastodon.social under this new Meta policy? You and other admins have a small window of opportunity to respond meaningfully to that voice of conscience. Please show some good leadership and defederate from Threads.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

That's why I'm here. As parent of a trans young person I'm genuinely scared about the consequences of faceplants changes. They were bad enough already.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

We really tried and gave them very much the benefit of the doubt to begin with

Unfortunately they threw it all away with that one change so all we can do now is act I guess

in reply to stuxโšก

@stux Much as I didn't want to see Threads preemptively blocked and as I enjoy following a handful of federated Threads accounts, I have no problem with blocking the domain following this latest.
in reply to stuxโšก

@stux
I've been curious as to whether admins pay attention to how many of their individual accounts have blocked [a given domain]...?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I appreciate the approach, though. Thereโ€™s still accounts (especially government ones) that I follow that I would hate to lose but Iโ€™m glad the team on mastodon.social is going to be moderating actively.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

applied to the real world, this means users with accounts on mastodon.social are not allowed to use hate speech. Users on threads are, explicitly. Their admin has said there are almost no rules at all. This entire instance is now at risk of the bullying and harassment that drove me away from fb and Twitter years ago, and you're explicitly allowing it, possibly even approving it
in reply to Eugen Rochko

as a Queer person, Meta is no longer safe for me - it hasnโ€™t been for a while, but things now explicitly against my community.
It would really send a message to defederate Threads.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I say this with respect, but this is what happens when you trust Mark Zuckerberg. This pattern has repeated itself over and over and over. It's not like you weren't warned.

I hope you are seriously reconsidering Mastodon's cooperation with Threads.

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

@Gargron if hate speech is so prohibited on fedi, i should be able to report it when i click on 'report this post'
rather than having to find another way to specify that it is a violation.

please, make this place safer before patting yourselves on the back for being the better platform

in reply to Eugen Rochko

they're less moderation policy changes and more a new blueprint for who to harass and exactly how to do it
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Anyone with a conscience should have been deeply troubled by Facebook at least 5 years ago.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

please just block threads.net. a message needs to be sent these Meta policies arenโ€™t acceptable.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Sounds like you will be doing their moderation. Iโ€™m not sure that is a good idea. ๐Ÿฅด
in reply to Fubaroque

@fubaroque At present we receive very few reports about Threads accounts. 68 in total since its launch. For comparison, we handle about 4.4K reports every month.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Indeed, but something is going to change at Threads as you very well know. ๐Ÿคฃ #wellseehowthisdevelops
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@fubaroque don't you think that might be partly due to pre-selection? It doesn't quite matter if you allow them access to the most vulnerable who don't understand all this stuff to moderate their own experience. But people that are predisposed to be hurt by threads and know how to protect themselves will have blocked threads already on their account. This doesn't mean your users aren't hurt more by it, but those people might not report their abuse for one reason or the other. I don't think there's a valid excuse to federate with an instance whose policy is "you can use slurs to gender minorities or gay people". You've defederated for less, I know you have. You've agreed to the server covenant, that states you agree this is a defederatable act. Please just look at this rationally, you've talked a big game about wanting to improve moderation, this is your chance to prove it and protect the fedi from more fragmentation. This is going to hurt us all if you don't.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Iโ€™ve already been kicked off of Facebook and some other ones so Iโ€™ve given up on the idea of free speech because itโ€™s only free speech if youโ€™re spouting the party line
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I left mastodon.social because you chose to cooperate with Meta from the beginning despite clear evidence they are not trustworthy - and you continue to federate with them despite clear evidence they are not trustworthy.

I appreciate the work you have done on behalf of the fediverse and wish you would be more discerning in who you partner with.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

How much harassment from Threads users will be tolerated before the instance is blocked? Do you have a cutoff?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Sorry, I don't understand. So .social is blocking Threads?

That will be great!

in reply to Eugen Rochko

I agree, I imagine we might see a spike in sign ups on the #Fediverse in the coming weeks and days
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I'm was all for open social media but do feel that the Threads federation experiment is now clearly over.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

It's great. The world needs more freedom and diversity of opinions and less of echo chambers, gatekeeping and censorship.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

been trying to get my friends to join here, no chance sadly...somehow they feel like it's too complicated or don't want yet another account...I do like it here on Mastodon very much, though.
I've even recently moved from mastodon.online to social to be better able to invite friends...but it is to no avail yet....
in reply to Eugen Rochko

So
Unfederating your instance from meta when ?
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

I've already added threads.net to my Mastodon server's Block List and Suspend list. Not interested in seeing any content or accounts from threads.net. My wording & terms might not be accurate but its 100% blocked on my server.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

if a mastodon server announced those policies, wouldn't you just defederate from them?
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

now would be the perfect time for Mastodon to prioritise features that marginalised communities have been asking for, around better privacy controls, retooting, etc.

I would love to see loud, affirmative commitment and action on these things from the Mastodon team

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

Bye Bye Threads โ€œitโ€™s been good to know yuh
This dusty old dust is a-gettin' my home
And I've got to be driftin' alongโ€ - Woody Guthrie
in reply to Eugen Rochko

never had threads, or TikTok โ€” this is why I wait before bandwagoning
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Free speech is not troubling. We're adults. We can think for ourselves and don't need nannies policing our content for anything that doesn't line up with an accepted narrative. Community notes is far from perfect but handing fact checking to the community is the only way you can promote both freedom AND the truth.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

We are now two generations into 'reality tv', which set the ball in motion to conflate scripted conflict as reality which, in conjunction with religious fundamentalism, has fueled the ability of the conservative extreme to bend reality.

This is how deep fascism is nursed. What a waste, what a waste.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

My instance is just me but I banned Threads immediately.

Meta's new policy of explicitly calling out gay/trans people as OK to insult is worse than even "free speech absolutism". It's the most extreme content policy I've ever read.

#politics

in reply to Eugen Rochko

I blocked Threads as soon as it arrived. Meta has always been pretty toxic.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Honestly? I'm not surprised by Meta's decision to follow Twitter's path. That's why I'm now making the move to pixelfed over instagram(I never really liked instagram anyway)
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Or CherryPick or Misskey.

I like Mastodon, but there are other platforms with more options.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

Already moved over to Mastodon, along with Bluesky. These are my primaries, and I still use X, but I'm not in support of Meta apps, and anyone buying into Zuckerburg's "free-speech" community note rhetoric, clearly doesn't understand the end game.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

If you're waiting for @Gargron to do the right thing and defederate from Threads, maybe something that you can do personally is to migrate away from mastodon.social โ€” there are better places to be, and if enough people start leaving maybe it will give Eugen the kick in the pants he seems to need.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Tech-bros are not your friend. Those you share your society are your friends.

EVERYTHING you post and do while connected to Meta will be sold and trained on. EVERY scrap of data.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

Or just don't federate with Threads at all. It was always going to end in tears.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

OK, a legitimate question: What is the threshold for Threads accounts being reported until you block and defederate from them?

I'm already seeing some chomping at the bit to start going after marginalized communities again.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

Thatโ€™s a lot of words to say that you still wonโ€™t consider defederating with Meta despite their openly misogynist and LGBT-phobic stance.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

My 12 year's on Twitters ended in January 2023 and I joined Mastodon. My 18 years on Facebook is being replaced by Bluesky. Pixelfed has replaced Instagram. I'm torn about WhatsApp, my last contact with many friends and real world social networks.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

How anyone can say this, watch #Meta behave in the poisonous way it always has, and not advocate blocking #Threads altogether mystifies me.

I mean, if Twitter were federated would that also be ok?

How vile do these corporations have to be before we stand up and say that's enough?

in reply to Eugen Rochko

I wonder how many hate speech posts have to be cross posted before the itโ€™s decided to block the entire service from the server. At some point that could be the rational decision.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Dude, you're not even blocking the guy who introduced that policy.
Those are empty words coming from someone obsessed with growth. Instead of luring more people there, you should close registrations on mastodon.social, which is a liability to the Fediverse already.

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in reply to PaulaToThePeople

@PaulaToThePeople Come on! Be reasonable. Meta will never buy him out if he blocks the Zuck. How else is he gonna buy a mansion next to Notch?
in reply to PaulaToThePeople

@PaulaToThePeople the fact I can block anyone I want means I would rather the provider mind their own business in most cases. I can see in some extreme cases where blocking a whole instance might be needed, but in most cases I'm a big boy and can manage my own blocking.
in reply to hurt138

@hurt138
1. You can't block an instance. Its called blocking, but in fact it's only silencing. If you yourself block an instance, they can still see your posts and doxx you and send death threats in your comments. You just won't see it.

2. This is obviously an extreme case.

3. Sounds like you are privileged and not a frequent victim of harassment. For you moderation might not be so important, but you can't expect that intersectionally-marginalized people block all trolls and harassers (including instances) themselves. Because they'd have to be harassed first to be aware of the people they should block. Thats why moderators exist. To protect.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

I worry that the effort of moderating the rising tide of crap from Threads will become detrimental to this server. Do you have a plan that will result in threads being defederated? What is the threshold, and why is the stated direction from Meta enough to trigger severance?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Your platform banned me, for disagreeing with a trans person. I have no problem with trans people. She was simply illogical. The decision assumed malice. My appeal was ignored. I cannot recommend mastodon.social either.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I fully agree with your statement. However, the fun fact is that according to a survey of the Penn State University, 75% of the Facebook users share articles without even reading them. I suppose they wont't even notice the absence of the fact check links. So the appalling lack of social media literacy is the real bad news.

psu.edu/news/research/story/soโ€ฆ

in reply to Eugen Rochko

I have a threads account but Its largely been abandoned for the last few months as I take a deep look at what those platforms deliver for their end users. Threads always had a way more corporate feel to it and towards the end of my usage of the platform, began to be filled with more AI Slop as meta desperately looked to keep the platform alive. This aligns with their current plans of AI personas on their platforms which I cannot support.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

the outcome of the election impressed upon me that way fewer Americans have a conscience than I estimated. We. Are. Fucked.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Just do what is obvious: defederate. Threads was a mistake from day one. Now you know 100%. Do it and move on.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Will you defederate any of the instances operated by Mastodon gGmbH from Threads?

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

will #threads now also be blocked at mastodon.social ?
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

Good on ya. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Zuch's new changes are totally deeply troubling.

I exclusively now only use Mastodon and Bluesky because of your sensible and progressive policies on hate speech

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