Stiamo avendo diversi rallentamenti: ci dispiace per il disguido
I will be opting my account out of the #Bluesky bridge next week. If you follow me from Bluesky (I think there are about 3.9K of you) and want to continue seeing my posts you will need to get an account on the fediverse. Cheers.
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Giacinto Boccia
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •David Schlaepfer
in reply to Giacinto Boccia • • •Ben Todd
in reply to Giacinto Boccia • • •@g_boccia
ICE now have an account on Bluesky.
@Gargron
Phoenix Paulina Schmid
in reply to Giacinto Boccia • • •RE: mstdn.social/@Grutjes/11590768β¦
@g_boccia @Gargron Yes, this:
Grutjes
2026-01-17 00:49:19
ABT554
in reply to Giacinto Boccia • • •@g_boccia
I assume it's in response to hosting and verifying the US' ICE as well as extending an invitation for Trump to join
@Gargron
Splinux
in reply to ABT554 • • •Giacinto Boccia
in reply to Splinux • • •A platform *inviting* Trump and not flagging ICE as a terrorist organisation? Yes, definitely.
Does it mean that I, for one, will leave such platforms? No, though this is now my main account; but it definitely is a problem.
Splinux
in reply to Giacinto Boccia • • •Iago
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •or just check you out through the web or add you to their RSS reader!
I love that the majority of the fediverse activity is readable without login-in. And even then I wouldn't need an account on a specific server.
I hate it when someone sends me a twitter link and it is not visible, as I don't have an account there (well, nitter exists, but you get what I mean).
Anuj Ahooja
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Scott Jenson
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •Anuj Ahooja
in reply to Scott Jenson • • •I'm not sure I'm following - if an account you didn't like joined the Fedi, would you not block them instead of leaving the Fedi altogether?
@Gargron
Dave Clark
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •Blocking the account doesn't show an admin that they're allowing hate speech.
Anuj Ahooja
in reply to Dave Clark • • •This isn't a single node, this would be blocking a complete network. I'm not on a Bsky PDS, and I often use non-Bsky apps and AppViews, like many others on the network (Blacksky, Northsky, Selfhosted.Social etc.).
This would be bigger than blocking a node, it would be that, then any other node that doesn't also have it blocked, then any user that may visit the node every once in a while.
@scottjenson @Gargron
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Dave Clark
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •Lutin Discret
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •Andrew
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •if a server on the Fediverse allows Nazis, itβs a Nazi bar and the whole server should be blocked. Same concept here. Bluesky welcomed ICE with open arms, therefore itβs a Nazi bar.
As a platform, Bluesky has shown its true colors - itβs just Twitter with a different name.
Anuj Ahooja
in reply to Andrew • • •Bridgy Fed bridges the entire ATProto network, not just users on the Bluesky stack.
@scottjenson @Gargron
Andrew
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •Anuj Ahooja
in reply to Andrew • • •We'll have to agree to disagree here.
@scottjenson @Gargron
Wachoperro
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •You are right, the sky is purple, the nazis stopped existing after the war, and "agreeing to disagree" makes your worldview true, whatever truth means to you π
@piepants @scottjenson @Gargron
Scott Jenson
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •This is the same argument Twitter made. You are "too big to fail". This limits your ethical choices, preventing you from being more restrictive.
This is exactly why the fedaverse holds its instances to such high standards because when one does not take a stand like this, the entire server is blocked
Anuj Ahooja
in reply to Scott Jenson • • •There's no too-big-to-fail in what I said above. I'm saying we don't just bridge Bluesky users, we bridge everyone on the entire network, including folks on single-user PDSes (me!), Blacksky users (you can see my bridged Mastodon profile there as well), and a countless number of shared PDSs (see selfhosted.social).
The number of users on non-Bsky PDSes is growing by the day: blue.mackuba.eu/directory/pdseβ¦
@piepants @Gargron
Bluesky handle directory β PDSes
blue.mackuba.euScott Jenson
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •Anuj Ahooja
in reply to Scott Jenson • • •What I referenced above is not Bluesky growing, it's the ATProto network growing *outside* of Bluesky. And, as stated above, there are managed ATProto blocklists that make it just as easy as the blocklists on the Fediverse, and they can be applied to a Bridgy Fed account.
@piepants @Gargron
Scott Jenson
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •Anuj Ahooja
in reply to Scott Jenson • • •I know! This is more for me (us) to understand what tools we aren't providing or aren't sharing well enough.
@jdp23 gave us great advice on improving moderation for Bridgy Fed users, which directly informed our work on a series of blocking features. We want to know when we aren't serving the community the way they need, so we can see if there's something we need to build.
@piepants @Gargron
Scott Jenson
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •Anuj Ahooja
in reply to Scott Jenson • • •There will be things you can do soon, stay tuned π
@jdp23 @piepants @Gargron
Scott Jenson
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •Magnus Ahltorp
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •Louise Auerhahn π³οΈβπ
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •Jon
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •One thing you could do is automatically subscribe bridging accounts to a blocklist that in includes ICE -- and DHS, and federal goverrnment agencies and administration issues. You could also block their posts from being bridged here. This isn't a general solution but would address an immediate high-priority issue while you work on other stuff.
(Going in the other direction, you could -- and IMHO should -- do the same for instances on the IFTAS DNI blocklist. But right now i'd say ICE is the higher priority in most people's minds.)
No matter what you do though a lot of people and instances are going to want to block Bluesky and unless and until there's a way to that without blocking Blacksky and Northsky the only solution is to not to bridge.
@quillmatiq @scottjenson @piepants @Gargron
Janne Moren
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •Legit_Spaghetti
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •Why on Earth should anyone support a protocol built by a company that's actively supporting Nazis?
AtProtocol is radioactive.
Phoenix Paulina Schmid
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •RE: mastodon.social/@_elena/115909β¦
@quillmatiq @scottjenson @Gargron Maybe this post explains it somewhat better.
Elena Rossini
2026-01-17 07:58:34
Anuj Ahooja
in reply to Phoenix Paulina Schmid • • •Public blocks are a fair fear; if that's the case, then I get it.
@scottjenson @Gargron
Phoenix Paulina Schmid
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •RE: social.growyourown.services/@Fβ¦
@quillmatiq Besides the public blocks is also this:
Fedi.Tips
2026-01-17 01:21:13
Ilka π
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •smeg
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •@quillmatiq Embrace, Extend, Extinguish is reason enough.
I want a fediverse, and Bluesky ultimately doesn't.
Frdl
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •Anuj Ahooja
in reply to Frdl • • •I've made many great friends on ATProto, just as I have on the Fediverse, but we all have different experiences.
@Gargron
zotheca
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •Currently, Blacksky is the only one with an AppView/Application that is independent of Bluesky.
As far as I know, Northskysocial does not yet have an open offer, and no one knows whether Eurosky will really launch in January, or to what extent they are truly independent of Bluesky.
If this independence is not achieved, there is no reason to use Eurosky; in that case, a Eurosky label offer would suffice for moderation.
The problem with ICE is that it is not an authority operating under US law. Its "officials" have frequently been arrested by police authorities in individual states for acting unlawfully. Other methods are also not covered by US law. In this respect, Bluesky could clearly have suspended an account here for violating applicable law.
@frdl @Gargron
Luca Sironi
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •@quillmatiq
I think this is exactly what ICE wanted to achieve, more than data harvesting on social networks.
It's an act of trolling, in order to damage connections on the open web, and filling #fediverse with performative and virtue signaling actions.
informapirata β
in reply to Anuj Ahooja • • •@quillmatiq Not everyone finds it bearable that Bluesky has decided to let in and verify a fascist, murderous, and terrorist-oriented government organization. And I can even pretend not to see it (=block it), but there is
At the moment I will not follow @Gargron 's example, but I admire his gesture and I am considering doing the same.
Jan Wildeboer π·
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Carlos SolΓs
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Solitha
in reply to Carlos SolΓs • • •Eugen Rochko
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Solitha
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •True, but he only asked if you still had a say. I imagine you do still have some influence.
@csolisr
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cognitively accessible math
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Aurora π
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •David B. Himself
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I think it's a mistake. You, of all people, can bring people here. But they need to be able to hear/read you for that.
Ilka π
in reply to David B. Himself • • •David B. Himself
in reply to Ilka π • • •@Ilka4You You don't really know much about Bluesky, do you?
@Gargron
Ilka π
in reply to David B. Himself • • •P_______X
in reply to Ilka π • • •Roni Rolle Laukkarinen
in reply to P_______X • • •@P__X @Ilka4You @DavidBHimself Some say you can host the whole thing on a Raspberry Pi, but I doubt it. I haven't seen many people endorsing or encouraging self-hosting for Bluesky. And really, what's the point if 99% of users are on Bluesky's main servers or using their relay?
fed.brid.gy/r/bsky.app/profileβ¦
#Bluesky #ATProto
Ducky π¦
2026-01-17 20:44:27
P_______X
in reply to Roni Rolle Laukkarinen • • •Roni Rolle Laukkarinen reshared this.
zotheca
in reply to David B. Himself • • •@DavidBHimself
With this argument, people stay on X.
@Gargron
David B. Himself
in reply to zotheca • • •Oh yeah, because Bluesky and X are comparable!
Also, the whole point of the bridge is to not have to be on the other platform and still be visible there.
@Gargron
Luca Sironi
in reply to David B. Himself • • •With the bridge we have this wonderful occasion to constantly remind people there, that we are a healthier network, that multiple indipendent servers exist, that some of their favourite accounts are from Fediverse, that everybody could join everywhere, that posts could have more than 300 characters π
I can't imagine a better advertising for Fediverse than effectively showing it
@quillmatiq
David B. Himself
in reply to Luca Sironi • • •What you said.
Except maybe the "healthier network" part. Technically and philosophically,, definitely.
But in terms of users, a lot of Mastodon users should get down their high horses. Honestly, I don't see a big difference between the typical Mastodon user and the typical Bluesky user, except that the former is probably more technically inclined. (and both shit on the other side without much ground for it pretty much equally).
Clifton Royston
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Bluewing
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Onceoday π©Ίππ
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Rosey
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I put in my notice on that platform.
Sashin
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Mr. Lance E Sloan (IRL) π€
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Laura Flores
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Yozza
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •buzz
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •GoNancyGo
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@martlund π²πΆπΈπͺπ¨π±π
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Maurizio
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Niels Walta
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Eye
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Conny Nasch
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Daniel Quinn
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Luca Sironi
Unknown parent • • •I find the fediverse a better/healthier solution for the simplicity of fully independent self-hosting, for the 9000 servers, for the diversity of already existing open software solutions, from microblogging to photo sharing, podcasting, video, stream.
That opinion being said, and I'm not ranting on it every day, and I'm fine with people disagreeing, what I think was relevant from my post is that I disagree about blocking the bridge, because the bridge show a way for communications.
Of course, I will never suggest a friend, maybe in the US, maybe without US citizenship to join #bs and block ICE account.
And I think ICE/ other USA agencies are just trolling Bluesky, more than having a real use of it.
But IMHO un-bridging, or maybe blocking the bridge without having ever had a bridged account, make absolutely no technical or practical sense.
Luca Sironi
Unknown parent • • •You are switching topic again, so maybe we should end it here.
I'm not saying mastodon, or misskey, or bluesky, or the fediverse, or X, or whatever is perfect.
I use/used multiple stuff in time.
We are commenting @Gargron personal decision to stop having his own posts bridged from mastodon to bluesky/blacksky by unfollowing the bridgyfed bot.
A reach of a whole network of millions of normal people, some of them maybe endangered, burned for a trolling ICE account on the dominant atproto instance
Eugen is free to do whatever he wants with his own account, but being him a public fediverse personality, I don't see the advantage of doing that, maybe someone using bluesky instance can be interested in speaking directly with him.
And apparently I'm not alone into thinking this, as I was replying to @DavidBHimself saying basically the same thing.
Luca Sironi
Unknown parent • • •I answered to *all* your questions in the thread.
Let's list them.
- keeping a bridged presence in bluesky , as today, IS NOT like staying on X.
Enough to say one social network allows it, being blacksky or the bridgyfed, or wafrn, the other no.
I don't discuss why they do, or if they have an evil plan, until they do.
By the way I *do* still have also the X account, because of some of my people not moving away.
Yes, commercial social network are still imprisoning people.
I could close X tomorrow if Peter, Alessandra, Luigi, Carlo, Andrea.. were not prisoners.
- we have not the healthiest network on fediverse because supposed anti-Semites / bad people are accepted in whatever instance you're in. If that's really what happened to you, I'm sorry if you had to leave some of your previous old posts.
BS is not healthiER than fediverse on that matter, though.
The whole conversation started (remember ?) with an ICE account being opened there.
--> I told you which aspect of the fediverse (not of mastodon, not of your instance) I consider, as of now, better suited for my social presence
Do you want me to say that mastodon, the software, lacks on full portability ?
Yes it does, I wish that worked too.
I could change the software tomorrow, if a better one appear.
I know a very strong hubzilla supporter.
Personally I minimize that issue by running my own instance (first with pleroma, now with mastodon, maybe snac in the future) where there are no nazi/anti-Semites and there is no risk I disagree with the moderator, forcing me to leave.
And I keep my account bridged with bridgyfed because quite some people I know, and I like to discuss, went only there π.
I do love to speak with them about other topics, like italian politics, books, movies, personal things, you know, life.
All the best
Janik
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Appreciate your decision! Bluesky is as rotten at the core as X is. It is a social network that can be sold, manipulated and changed at any moment.
Do not trust centralised tech. Trust the Fediverse.
#Bluesky #FuckICE #Fediverse #USPol
haui
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Great decision. Can you remember when I told you that this would be the future? Please remember this. Big tech is not your friend and while i understand the need to grow the fediverse, there are limits to what is acceptable.
Good luck and have a nice sunday. β€οΈ
Anuj Ahooja
Unknown parent • • •I hear you, stay tuned for next week
@scottjenson @piepants @Gargron
GarretSidzaka
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •In solidarity with you and all you have done for us, I've deleted my #Bluesky and #twitter accounts....permanently.
I plan on focusing on #fediverse and other forms of decentralization, as well as personal privacy technology.
You inspire us all!
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