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We've heard your feedback on the Terms of Service updates for mastodon.social and mastodon.online, and we're pausing the implementation date (previously announced to users via email as 1st July 2025) so we can take further advice and make improvements.

It may take us a moment to consult with the right people, so please bear with us while we do so. As always, we appreciate your patience and support.

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déjà agréablement surpris par la synthèse faite par email ^^ c'est rare de voir des Conditions d'Utilisation aller se bonifier en faveur de l'utilisateur 😃
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mastodon - Collegamento all'originale
@PrivacyMatters
I would take @neil up on his offer of help/insights .. he’s one of the best.
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@Privacymatters @neil I agree, and I have made a note of the kind offer made here and on GitHub! Thank you Neil (and others!)
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People are scared of conceding perpetual licenses because of misuse at other companies. I don't believe your phrasing in the ToS was bad though.
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Hey @mcc, did you see this? ⬆️👏

Thanks for making noise about it!

@mcc
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Can anyone summarize the conversation in abuot 4-5 lines of plain English? What were the problems with the new TOS?
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And what exactly upset people? The age limit, or the fact that you banned web scraping for LLM? Both things are fine with me.
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my hot take is that while I wouldn’t trust a binding arbitration clause with a large corporation, I trust Mastodon and I don’t think they would ever abuse it. I think it’s more of a defense against detrimental lawsuits from big tech rivals. That being said, I think there must be a better way to implement this to keep good standing with users since some were turned off by it.
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Awesome, thanks for listening to our concerns and feedback.

Trust is important, this is how you keep ours.

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Thank you for taking these concerns seriously.

But rather than just focusing on the TOS verbiage, you should also scrutinize the people involved in creating them, as their values do not seem aligned with the community’s.

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Appreciate your willingness to listen to feedback and adjust
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thank you. Honestly, showing that you are listening is what makes Mastodon good.
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Not going to put any (more) effort into this except to point out that the Issue on Github is now closed to further comment, thus:

"I'm going to close this issue at this
point - there is a lot of feedback we've
gathered from it, and we will be
consulting with those offering support
as we're able to. Thank you."

"ha!

Wow, this is not the first time that Mastodon / Gargron / his proxy-of-the-moment has shut down a convo on Github that I've seen

Not going to bother trying to find them, but the general template runs something like:

"I've / we've read this thread. Your opinions have been received. We're going to go ahead and do what we had previously decided, out-of-band and without public participation, because this is our software and we're going to do what we want to with it."

Don't anyone forget who actually owns Mastodon dot * gGmbH software, people, all the lawyer-speak smokescreen about "non-profit" notwithstanding"

Here: github.com/mastodon/mastodon/i…

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Wait, what were these terms gonna do? I'm not on any of the mastodon owned instances, but i'm just curious.
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did anyone mention that you've sent "updates to our terms of service" message 3 times at 3 hours intervals?

or perhaps only i was treated in a special way... 💀

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Twitter: We heard users complain about changes to our ToS. We are therefore moving up the change date and taking away your blue checkmarks.

Facebook: We heard users complain about changes to our ToS. We are therefore making changes retroactive to your tenth birthday and adding all your exes to your friends list. This cannot be undone.

Mastodon: We heard users complain about changes to our ToS. We are therefore pausing changes while we re-think this.

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Good on you for listening to the plebs. Next steps should be talking to people STEEPED in libre software, open culture, etm like @richardfontana @bkuhn @pluralistic et all could be immensely helpful in this process. I wouldn't leave this up to the same ilk that the corporate social media companies use.
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you should get rid of the permanent arbitration clause, and add a grandfather clause for people who already joined who are still under the new age limit. also, maybe stop banning people for simply being a palestinian from gaza, that’s racist.
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Since many answers are asking what was the problem, here is a thread explaining it (it has to do with a "binding arbitration waver"):
(Quoting @pluralistic)
mamot.fr/@pluralistic/11470688…


ETA: GOOD NEWS!

mastodon.social/@Mastodon/1147…

In reading an important discussion of the IP assignment in the new Mastodon.social ToS:

github.com/mastodon/mastodon/i…

I was GOBSMACKED to discover the new ToS has a "binding arbitration waiver," which takes away your right to sue, no matter how badly the service abuses you.

These are profoundly unethical, terrible clauses. They should never, ever appear in "adhesion contracts" (that is, contracts that you merely click through, rather than negotiating.)


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as an artist I'm happy to see that mass llm wouldn't be scrapped, I'm trying to make sense of the contention
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Wait what is the problem with the ToS updates?… 🤔 I would have thought that most people here would be happy with a "no LLM scraping" change?…
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in reply to Kuba Suder • @mackuba.eu on 🦋

@mackuba tldr from the github convo is (a) license should not be irrevocable and (b) arbitration clause should be removed.

github.com/mastodon/mastodon/i…

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This platform is amazing; just another day I am glad I switched to Mastodon.
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Good on you for listening! Take all the time you need to get things right.
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We learned with all the fakes not to reply to email links
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Forced arbitration you say? Sounds like fun with all the lawyers on your dime and not mine
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hi, is email id staff@mastodon.social working? Our team has been trying to reach but no response so far? How we get in touch with the admin of this instance?