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in reply to European Commission

we too, hence we're asking you, dear Commission, not to weaken our privacy and digital rights at the whim of American AI companies.

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in reply to Dmitry Tantsur

We hear you, @creepy_owlet!
That’s why we created the world’s first ever legal framework on AI, which addresses the risks of AI, and bans unethical practices like:
🔹harmful AI-based manipulation and deception
🔹social scoring
🔹untargeted scraping of the internet or CCTV material to create or expand facial recognition databases
🔹emotion recognition in workplaces and education institutions
🔹biometric categorisation to deduce certain protected characteristics
Learn more: link.europa.eu/g8tQmH
in reply to European Commission

thank you for taking time to respond!

I'm aware of these efforts and find them exceptionally valuable (and yes, we are the first!). I'm worried about the USA and its Big Tech trying to blackmail you (and us all) into weakening the protections for their profits by using tariffs and other threats.

I think I'll voice a popular opinion on Fediverse if I say that we got your back and we urge you not to surrender to their demands.

in reply to European Commission

well, no surveillance violating my basic rights is on the list too. So is #TaxTheRich, ditching fossil fuels and war-ending support for Ukraine. Who should I mail that list to? Santa or EU?
in reply to European Commission

all I want for Christmas is an EC funding instrument for #openscience like the Dutch @OpenScienceNL

Despite all the points of improvements, it has been a great success that just begs for the EU equivalent

You cannot have better alternatives to addictive algorithms with a solid, independent foundation. So, fund it!

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in reply to European Commission

Except for that one platform that exploits musicians, pays them 0.013 cents per stream as referenced in a fun Eurovision song, now plans to replace them with AI slop and donated millions to the fash Americans whose stated goal is to destroy the EU?

I love you, but why are you like this, lol?

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in reply to European Commission

Well, a nice xmas present would be an EU Commission which works for the citizens of Europe and Europe and shows having a spine. An EU commission that doesn't work for Big Money, not for the fossil fuels lobby, not for the meat lobby.
Also which accepts that Trump is no longer an ally, but is out to break us.

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in reply to European Commission

how about getting off of the techbro platforms then? or is it just empty words again?
in reply to European Commission

Reading your ProtectEU plan, I think you are not differ from meta, tiktok or others...
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in reply to European Commission

these algorithms should be opened up so that they can be studied and learned from.

By studying them it's much easier to understand whats under and how to make policy/law framework around these kinds of algorithms. When fully restricting something, how do u know they just go around and its again the same problem

Other things that you should say people before..:
- chat control
- authoritian ruling
- AI

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in reply to European Commission

Happy holidays to you too - please get off X
and perhaps start your own in the EU fedied server
in reply to Priscilla Haring-Kuipers

@priscillaharing
Yes to getting off X 👍

But also to be fair they are already on their own Fedi server ( ec.social-network.europa.eu/ex… ). Or do you mean start their own public server?

in reply to FediThing

@FediThing I don't think I am very clear on the distinction here
Which one means they are running a server that is on their own hardware? Or do they both mean that but one isn't open to others?
I would be happy with "one your own hardware" and even more happy with "open to others"
in reply to Priscilla Haring-Kuipers

@priscillaharing Their Fediverse address shows the server they're on and it uses the EU's official domain europa.eu, so it proves they are running their own server. It might be on their own hardware or it might be a hosting service, but either way it's under their control and ownership 🙂
in reply to FediThing

@FediThing @priscillaharing

> Their Fediverse address shows the server they're on and it uses the EU's official domain europa.eu, so it proves they are running their own server.

That's just wrong. If you're unfamiliar with the concept of DNS, it just means they own the DOMAIN. Nothing else.

> It might be on their own hardware or it might be a hosting service, but either way it's under their control and ownership 🙂

Wrong again. If you look the IP up, it will solve to a fastly IP.

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in reply to 7heo

@FediThing @priscillaharing

And while fastly is likely to be used "only as a CDN" (read: to prevent DDoS and improve latency), it is nonetheless an american owned company, controlling ALL the traffic that goes in and out the server.

Now this does not mean they don't control their actual server, but it also absolutely doesn't mean they do.

And, to top it off, in regular EU style, they preach but don't do: they could absolutely use a European CDN.

Unless they are already US owned...

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in reply to 7heo

@FediThing @priscillaharing

Oh and I forgot to mention:

For such a CDN to work, fastly *MUST* have cleartext access to ALL the content, by stripping the TLS encryption at their edge.

So, yeah, no, in no way, shape, or form, does the EU own their server.

They own the domain, they might own the machine, but as it stands, they are otherwise to be considered a US entity.

No fucking wonder they are acting against our interests... Just check dump's agenda wrt the EU, if you're still confused. 🙃

in reply to 7heo

@7heo ec.social-network.europa.eu/pr… claims claims «All personal data in electronic format [...] are either on the servers of the European Commission [...], or of its contractors», which is slightly unhelpful. They do not explicitly state that personal data is transferred outside the EU/EAA but they do mention two USA companies to which they transfer data about fediverse users, Platinum Equity and Emplifi.

Note that MastodonSocial also transfer personal data of all users to the USA with Fastly.

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in reply to Nemo_bis 🌈

@nemobis

Its contractors just have to be anyone with a presence in the EU, and a policy wrt GDPR.

That can be AWS, GCP, Azure, Oracle, Fastly, cloudfront, and many others.

I'm a "little bit" disgruntled by the behavior of the EU in general.

They clearly do *not* have our best interests at heart anymore. It just seems that they are trying very hard to muddy the waters so that it doesn't get too obvious that they are acting against our interest, before it is too late... 😐

in reply to 7heo

I think we are talking at cross purposes?

On the Fediverse, the word "server" just means instance. It doesn't necessarily mean a particular piece of hardware. (For example see masto.host )

If you are running your own Fediverse instance, that means the same thing as running your own Fediverse server even if you're not actually running your own hardware server.

People who run their own instance can move their instance to other hosting options if they want to. The instance database contains the keys to keep their connections to other Fedi instances, and it can be transferred elsewhere.

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in reply to FediThing

If there is a problem on their current hosting, they can transfer their instance to a different hosting (including their own hardware if preferred) by pointing their domain name to the new host. Their instance is under their control and they can do whatever they want with it.

I've transferred Fedi instances between hosts and all you need is domain ownership plus a copy of the database.

It's this ability to switch hosting without losing the instance's social graphs that means the instance belongs to you.

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in reply to European Commission

Once again I had to double check that this is not a parody account 😒
in reply to European Commission

tell that to all the politicians still happily posting on X (née Twitter)...
in reply to European Commission

Hey EU Commission! Can you throw some of our tax euros at #Fediverse open source development projects?

Our combined GDP is more than 21 trillion euros. I’m pretty sure @Framasoft @Mastodon @IceCubesApp @ivory @Tusky etcetera could use a small amount of that?

We’ve got the products you want right here. Just support the people building them!!

#eu #tax #opensource #support

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in reply to European Commission

really? Then maybe stop posting on Twitter and Facebook.
Also links to mastodon instead of American big tech.
in reply to European Commission

No, we want people before algorithms through open source and decentralization. You want to put a proprietary ai scanning algorithm in everyone's phone. Stop posting that crap. Just because Elon Musk's platform of nazis attacks you, doesn't make you our friend. We hate you both because you are both authoritarian, just in different ways.
in reply to European Commission

...then, regulate it and make it happen?

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in reply to David Revoy

@davidrevoy well it seems that they prefer to lower encryption and check for chat messages 🤷
in reply to David Revoy

@davidrevoy Well start building THAT then! Unlike Chat Control, this one is an Actually Good Idea!
in reply to David Revoy

@davidrevoy Problem: they don't want to, as they want to control the algorithms themselves.

Twitter is actually better off not being in the EU. I'm not from there, nor live there (I'm American), and yet, something seemed off about that wish from the EU.

in reply to European Commission

Yeah please go ahead and stop linking to those in your profiles, and get the govs in EU to do the same
in reply to European Commission

If that were true, you'd leave twtr/x, linkedin, instagram, etc., and maintain your online social presence here, on the algorithm-free fediverse.
in reply to European Commission

Really?

Then how about linking to your Mastodon account from your home page?

And deleting the pro-AI social media accounts, such as X/Twitter?

I mean, that latter one is an American-based AI platform owned by someone openly hostile to the EU...

in reply to European Commission

Except that this is what we want but the EU Commission doesn't want. People before algorithms doesn't pair well with chat control. Fairy tales about child trafficking but all we see is the exact opposite. As far as I am aware, I am not in the Epstein files, neither is any average citizen. We are seeing the collapse of the EU, member states are not even united on their policies.

The EU has failed to deliver on its claims after the US has abandoned it. Good luck fighting scary Russia without any US support. You chose the wrong "ally" and the wrong "enemy". We will not see you on the front lines.

in reply to European Commission

AND NO
"CHAT CONTROL", NO "PROTECTEU", AND NO NEXT BULLSHIT NAME YOU'LL CALL IT NEXT TIME.
in reply to European Commission

how about the EU investing in public infrastructure as the "digital town square" - the fediverse exists and is OSS. Fund it, run public instances and pay moderators and include healthy usage of it in the school curriculum.

Especially in the wake of discussions about prohibiting SoMe for teenagers. Create meaningful alternatives instead of focusing on what not to do 😉

in reply to European Commission

Yup. As a EU citizen, I'd like on the tab as well:

1) People before business.
2) Stand strong to protect our Values, Freedom and Privacy.
3) Strengthen, not dilute GDPR.
4) Regulate, crack down on surveillance capitalism and targeted advertising.
5) Do not implement mass surveillance violating our Basic Rights - we are the People, not Suspects.
6) Do not force GenAI LLM crap & slop on us.
7) Do not yield to U.S. Agent Orange and U.S. TechBro attempts to fuck around w/ EU policies and politics, but stand by and enforce EU law for U.S. actors if they wanna do business here. That's only fair.
8) With regards to this communication channel, please refrain from bullshitting.

Thanks for your attention. Peace, Justice, and Happy Holidays for everyone.

Stay safe 🎄 :europe: ☮️ 🇺🇦

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in reply to European Commission

Do not promote those algorithms by posting on sites that use them, then... Or at least do not make the posts there as your primary social interaction. In the footer of your website, all the "follow us" links are to sites with such addictive algorithms. Why on Earth do you not promote this Mastodon account, which is on a server run by you? It sounds like a nice wish, but your actions are basically a surrender to the addictive algorithms.
in reply to Jan Žegklitz 🇺🇦

Thank you for providing feedback on our website, @zegkljan!
We have taken note, so stay tuned for updates. 😉 🐘
in reply to European Commission

Walk the talk... dear EUCommision, walk the talk...

There is a lot of work to be done, in regulation and in awareness. But also in stimulating open source initiatives and innovation. Embrace it!

in reply to European Commission

nah. that's something you don't want. that's what Europeans want.
in reply to European Commission

A wonderful wish 🎁. And an achievable one: three days to move to the fediverse and leave behind the social media platforms and their addictive algorithms of the past ⏳. Let’s go! 🚀
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in reply to Stefan Wagner

Hello @stefanwagner!
Our Digital Services Act contains provisions that oblige large platforms to give us the option: to view content in a feed designed by an algorithm or in chronological order.
Learn more: link.europa.eu/c69QhP
If you want to know more about how we hold platforms accountable, check out this link, where you can find an overview of all proceedings and requests for information from the large online platforms: link.europa.eu/ngkJPH
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in reply to European Commission

As you're still on X, the logo of which is a sans-serif swastika, I call bullshit.
in reply to European Commission

all of the replies here are gold. Great advice, and generally sincere; itself a feat for a social platform. Will you guys listen though?
in reply to European Commission

The US and Russia have determined the European Union should be destroyed. Social media driven misinformation destroys truth and as a result, democracy.

Why allow US tech baron owned social media in the European Union?

Ban them immediately and strengthen EU digital laws. Now.

in reply to European Commission

is that why you're pursuing the digital omnibus which verifiably weakens consumer protection? Asking for a friend.
in reply to European Commission

We do wish the same!
Therefore I wish from you: have the courage to leave platforms of fascist US-owners and become *independent* from their propaganda-promoting, elections-manipulating platforms. Build up a strong democratic decentralised presence with the EU parliament and politicians on your instance for the people.
It would be a powerful sign for others to follow!
And please please please add a Mastodon button to your websites, don't hide your democracy part of social media!
in reply to European Commission

then please throw as much money as possible at any open source project that is working on the #fediverse or is somehow a part of it like #curl #postgresql #mariadb and all the other ones!
in reply to European Commission

Talking about sending out mixed messages. This is from your own webpage European Commission.

I think you can and must do better than that.

in reply to Bad News Nobody

@dukeboitans FWIW it's on commission.europa.eu/get-invol…
in reply to European Commission

So the point all of these people are trying to make is that we expect YOU to stand up for that. Not santa.
And of course it is a pourly worded advert -I'm not even sure for what-, but you guys really need to stand up for our values a lot more.
in reply to European Commission

consider cutting ties with several social media platforms then.
in reply to European Commission

and an end to genocide complicity? I wonder why that isn’t on your list.
in reply to European Commission

correct and no government surveillance. Not in the form of chat control and not in the form of age verification.
in reply to European Commission

Thousands of people across the EU are already building exactly this - spaces where people come before algorithms.

You and I are both posting on one right now.

The Commission has shown leadership by joining the people-not-platforms Fediverse. Please consider reflecting that commitment by adding the Mastodon logo to the "Follow Us" section of your public website.

in reply to Prof. Rachel Thorn 🍉🇺🇦🏳️‍⚧️🏳️

Hello @RachelThornSub!
We really appreciate our engaged Mastodon community! We try our best to read and respond to comments, but we do not always get to them all. Keep the comments coming!
If you have any factual questions about our policies, we recommend you reach out here: link.europa.eu/8RYH9v
in reply to 🕯️Curious Magpie 🕯️

We're working on it, @CuriousMagpie!
Thanks to the Digital Services Act you can already choose how you view content: in a feed designed by an algorithm or in chronological order, helping to avoid addictive content. Learn more: link.europa.eu/c69QhP
in reply to European Commission

The tech for fediverse or free people hosted/European hosted spaces exists. Get off the centralized platforms and start seeing the benefits of a free market freed by an ad free town square. You have the tech, power, resources. Can I wish for you to use them for good?
in reply to European Commission

Ok, living communication is ok, but software algorithm exists, of course for the good between people.
in reply to European Commission

So much virtue signaling.

All I want for Christmas is the EU-Commission not trying to impose mass surveillance upon every citizen.

in reply to European Commission

You. Stop. Using. Them.
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in reply to European Commission

asking politely for no more addictive algorithms is like asking politely for the tobacco industry to go away. Addiction sells in an unregulated market.
in reply to Tom Lowe

Hello @TomL!
That's why we have regulations:

Digital Services Act: link.europa.eu/gbRf9h
Digital Markets Act: link.europa.eu/PgX6P3
Artifical Intelligence Act: link.europa.eu/gTvhRX
Political Advertising Regulation: link.europa.eu/B44p9k
And we are always trying to make our regulations better.
We appreciate your input! If you would like to have an impact beyond commenting on social media, you can give direct feedback on various policy initiatives here: link.europa.eu/DTJVxX

in reply to European Commission

I want the same! social media: yes, but without algorithms.

what can I do to get an initiative in the EU going that tries to control algorithms? In the end, we make the rules, right?

in reply to European Commission

But I see those algorithm and data hungry platforms in ur website 🤕
Mastodon or any fediverse app is not there😢

Many would appreciate mastodon there. Consider that as a request please 😀

in reply to Vivekanandan KS (vivek)

Thank you for your feedback on our website,@vivekanandanks. We have taken note of it, so stay tuned for updates! 😉
in reply to European Commission

I won't add to all the other comments, the idea is clear, and you're the ones in position to make it happen. So just fucking do it?
in reply to European Commission

You don't need a Christmas miracle for that! Just do it, make the right decisions, and ditch the Digital Omnibus!
in reply to European Commission

all I want for Christmas is a European Union United against fascism
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in reply to sonja dolinsek

@sonjdol What the EU is currently providing instead are Chat Control, Data Retention, AI powered mass surveillance and behavioral control, militarism and increasing inequality - tools and conditions that fascists love once they take over (in case they didn't yet).
in reply to European Commission

Let’s add: 1. Technology doesn’t track or trace and is produced fair and regenerative 2. Our data is under EU jurisdiction 3. we banned anti-democratic tech-regimes and stopped paying 200 billion yearly for big tech licences 4. I’m not forced to use AI and we respect and compensate creatives 5. We have public social media, moderated by society. No manipulative or addictive algorithms 6. We have control over money creation with step one: the digital Euro

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in reply to European Commission

so when will the institutions, key figures and politicians of the eu leave X?
in reply to European Commission

then please also withdraw from X and Meta and actively promote the federated Fediverse in Europe. You have a powerful lever, including influence at the level of individual nation states in the EU.
in reply to European Commission

as so many people are saying on this thread, no EU institution should have X or other lock-in social media icons on their websites, you should have Mastodon and other Fediverse icons instead. Having icons on your website is endorsing and promoting a platform and saying "if you want news from us you must join these platforms". It is taking people from a neutral space (a website) and actively pushing them into toxic platforms. See petitions listed on xodus.online/act
in reply to European Commission

Any chance you could show some leadership and stop using and effectively promoting US social media? Open source alternatives exist.
in reply to European Commission

While you're still here, maybe officially closing your accounts on advertising (algorithm) based platforms and putting out the word that there are ActivityPub alternatives?
in reply to European Commission

About the web page footer: I find it odd, since those are algorithm-based U.S. companies and you're the EUROPEAN Commission, that you market X in the footer of your homepage. How about putting your Mastodon icon on your homepage?
in reply to European Commission

Dear Santa, for next year I want all EU officials to stop using X and use a sovereign social network (like an official Fediverse instance) that shares EU values for their official communications. Yesterday, please!