US warns ICC member states to drop proceedings against Israel
The warning was direct, blunt and left no room for doubt. "We expect all ICC actions against the United States and our ally Israel – that is, all investigations and all arrest warrants – to be terminated," said Reed Rubinstein, legal adviser at the US State Department, before delegates of the 125 member states of the International Criminal Court (ICC) on Tuesday, July 8, at a meeting at United Nations headquarters in New York from July 7 to 9.
If the ICC arrest warrants for crimes against humanity and war crimes issued against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former defense minister Yoav Gallant on November 21, 2024, as well as ongoing investigations into crimes committed in the Gaza Strip and the settlement of Palestinian territory, are not dropped, "all options remain on the table," he declared.
US warns ICC member states to drop proceedings against Israel
Washington has threatened the International Criminal Court with further reprisals if it maintains arrest warrants against Benjamin Netanyahu and former Israeli defense minister Yoav Gallant.Stéphanie Maupas (Le Monde)
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in reply to Diddlydee • • •And the UK and Germany. Two of the supporters in the EU.
Germany has disgusted me, they spent so long trying to make amends they elected a race to superiority. Spineless hypocrites.
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in reply to Squizzy • • •Did they really though? They worked to appease their guilt but never really dealt with the underlying reasons it happened in the first place.
Most of those that did the dirty work during ww2 just went home after and carried on.
Same with the British. Most people have no idea about how or why all the shit in the middle east started or why it continues.
rottingleaf
in reply to Tangentism • • •Yes, about the British and the French - these are countries that still fought small undeclared colonial wars after USSR ceased to exist.
They still fucking do.
Jordan is still not very different from a UK puppet regime.
Also why the West loves Arab monarchies so much - because they don't change anything in inconvenient directions. They sell oil, buy weapons, build nice shit. But their countries are not just staying on one place in terms of democracy, enlightenment and human rights - they are further into medieval shit than they were after liberation from the Ottomans. Then they were sort of "naturally", traditionally tribal and medieval. Not much different from many parts of the world. But since then those puppet monarchies, installed by empires, have been changing their societies in the opposite direction. The West not just supports Muslim religious movements against Leftist movements, the West supports Muslim monarchist and fundamentalist creme-de-la-creme (not) basically Nazi movements like our recent time's ISIS against Muslim republican and Leftist movements. So some Muslim and socialist mojaheds, like those US supported in Afghanistan, are not good enough when guys like HTS are available. Even Egypt's ikhvans, with their democratic component, are not good enough. Only Salafi beheaders in black with their nasheeds.
Germany - at some point their society realized firmly that there are mistakes in the past to be worked through. Unfortunately that was somewhere in the 90s, and in the middle of that process they for whatever reason abruptly decided that they have understood enough and are now a morality specialist nation. Which is why a German often feels entitled to express their opinions on the Holocaust as if their nation were participating in the victim role.
In some sense USSR was a huge spoiler. It took upon itself a lot of hopes of this world, despite Stalin and repressions, and then Brezhnev happened - just covering every budget inefficiency by selling natural resources to the supposed enemy, covering every pipeline hole by buying technology of the supposed enemy, resolving every deadlock between interested local producers by cloning technology of the supposed enemy, and so on. Then after 10 years or so the whole Soviet society and even more its elite were confident in Soviet system's inferiority, and it couldn't end any other way than it did from that point.
rottingleaf
in reply to Squizzy • • •Unless a member of that race is against Israel, then you'll get sometimes the nicest kinds of things like "or, so then it was all right for you?" from them - that being about Holocaust.
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in reply to reagansrottencorpse • • •"U.S. President George Bush today signed into law the American Servicemembers Protection Act of 2002, which is intended to intimidate countries that ratify the treaty for the International Criminal Court (ICC). The new law authorizes the use of military force to liberate any American or citizen of a U.S.-allied country being held by the court, which is located in The Hague. This provision, dubbed the "Hague invasion clause," has caused a strong reaction from U.S. allies around the world, particularly in the Netherlands.
In addition, the law provides for the withdrawal of U.S. military assistance from countries ratifying the ICC treaty, and restricts U.S. participation in United Nations peacekeeping unless the United States obtains immunity from prosecution. At the same time, these provisions can be waived by the president on "national interest" grounds. "
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U.S.: 'Hague Invasion Act' Becomes Law
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Yep well considering the US leadership is basically following 1930s Germany as a guide.
The exact reason the ICC was formed. Yeah objections are to be expected.
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •No; "threatens". Get it right, news headline writers! It's not a warning but a threat.
It's like how most Canadians view America as a threat and not a warning (oh, wait. Maybe we do see it as a warning too, as we have our own soulless charlatan oilman scumbag politicians).
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in reply to StarryPhoenix97 • • •BRICS is making headway with that.
The US empire is already in decline. What it's allies need to work out is when to jump ship
rottingleaf
in reply to Tangentism • • •BRICS has the downside of including Russia.
It might not seem that way, but Russia is actually the shittiest of USA's minions. Its "independent" actions like war with Ukraine are no more independent in fact than those of Saudis.
It's definitely aligned with the stinkier part of USA's elites, but somehow had good enough relationship with all of them.
Maybe reforming UN as a candidate for some actual world confederation would be a better idea.
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in reply to Sodium_nitride • • •Can someone on lemmygrad post a reminder that many instances have defederated from you and can therefore not see your comments. I keep seeing you peeps replying to people that will never see your comments.
lemmy.world is one of them. Rottingleaf is not going to see your comment, it doesn't show up on lemmy.world
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in reply to StarryPhoenix97 • • •EUR is honestly a better reserve currency, more stable already.
About divesting from dollars - I dunno how hard this is. Probably would be better for the US to provoke it to signal that time is nigh. Because otherwise this can only happen very slowly.
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in reply to rottingleaf • • •Funny you should mention that. I was reading some discussion that several countries' central banks are buying up gold. There was also one guy speculating that they might make some sort of gold-backed currency for international trade.
Time is a circle, etc.
rottingleaf
in reply to emergencyfood • • •This is also funny in the sense that one of explanations of Bitcoin is "digital gold" - that world economies and societies went in a wrong direction once they stopped being gold-backed, except gold and everything RL is controlled by governments, while Bitcoin is a subject to freedom of speech and whatever.
An already archaic viewpoint TBH, that many even western governments respect freedom of anything and human rights. And in another sense too archaic - the idea that a currency being gold-backed is something valuable was kinda libertarian around year 2007.
Which is also an answer to people saying that Bitcoin is not backed by anything (like country's economy in this sense and not technical ability to exchange it for gold), it's the main cryptocurrency, and it seems to work well enough despite high volatility.
This won't be a circle though. Today they really like their control and surveillance. A gold-backed currency is where anyone owning N of M can exchange them to gold with which an M is guaranteed by a rate that doesn't change, load that gold into bags, carry it to another country, go to a bank and exchange that gold to its currency. Perhaps declaring that they are carrying that gold at customs.
Gold-backed for governments - we-ell, maybe in some way.
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in reply to EndlessNightmare • • •I think this is, in large part, one of the reasons many of these authoritarian types get out of control.
On some level they know whether or not they consider their actions to be illegal that other people will. At some point they anticipate blowback and a lot of their flailing overreach stems directly from trying to get out ahead of any consequences that may come their way.
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in reply to EndlessNightmare • • •So? The previous administration had the same policy on Israel, as do both parties currently.
EndlessNightmare
in reply to BrainInABox • • •The American public used to broadly support Israel. That support has plummeted in the last 2 years, particularly among younger Americans. As they age into a more prominent voting demographic, this changes the types of platforms that politicians run, and win on.
I want to point out that the shift in opinion is more a generational one than left/right one, even though there is a notable difference between the parties.
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in reply to EndlessNightmare • • •Nah, the more time passes, the less incentive there is for many people to pursue justice when there are newer things on their plates.
Same as modern Web's "attention economy".
But frankly in classical cultures they knew that too, catch the moment, now or never.
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in reply to EndlessNightmare • • •No US president has ever faced a war crimes tribunal, despite every one of them killing large numbers of civilians.
Nor will they face one, until like nazi germany, the US is overthrown and its leaders are made to account for its crimes.
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •That being dicks offered to him
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in reply to Fleur_ • • •I know, it's super hard to tell from a moral point of view.
I always thought that Killeen civilians was a war crime but obviously it's more complicated than that. Fortunately the US is here to explain things in a calm and coherent manner.
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