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in reply to Jrockwar • • •Wat.. that's not how that works. Quartz watches can be digital or analog but what matters is whether it has a digital display or analog hands.
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in reply to amotio • • •Knowing a clock is more than just telling time.
When you're walking with your homies you gotta be able to call out "gyat 3 o'clock" , so your fellow bros know where to look.
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in reply to amotio • • •With an analogue watch face I can work out the time, blurred lines can be seen.
Cant read blurred numbers.
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in reply to amotio • • •It's not better, it's just different, your comparison is flawed.
Personally, I prefer analog watches for most cases, because it's much easier for me to do calculations visually. To add 6 to 7/19 on a digital clock I need to turn on my math brain (19+6=25, 25>24 => 25-24=1), but on an analog watch I can just visually read the number opposite of 7.
And that's just one example, there are other cases, besides just being easier to read at a glance. I've used both digital and analog watches since birth, but analog watches are marginally better for daily use, where to the second precision isn't necessary.
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in reply to loaExMachina • • •Honestly, how often do you read analog clocks?
I mean, I learned it as a child, but it's been probably months since I actually had the need to read an analog clock, and I'm just not used to it anymore. I have to think about it, 20 years ago it was just my spine doing the thinking and it felt effortless.
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in reply to leisesprecher • • •A lot, since I have an analog wristwatch and a wall clock. There were also analog clocks in several of the exam rooms where I last had exams.
I guess many people don't use them regularly, but regardless, the simple fact that they still exist is enough to be worth learning about them. Not everything you learn at school is meant to be used every single day.
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in reply to ramble81 • • •So what? I don't.
I don't have a smart watch and hardly anybody I know actually owns some analog clock?
Take a look around you. Where are any analog clocks? Church towers, train stations, old people. That's pretty much it. Your smartwatch is a choice. You could just as well use a digital watch face. There is literally no benefit in that case - except your personal preference.
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in reply to ramble81 • • •It's called rhetorical question.
I'd argue that you are a very small minority. Most people under 50 probably barely have any analog clocks around.
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in reply to leisesprecher • • •Every home/apt of every under 40 year old person I have ever been in has had at least one analog clock. And most have had several.
Also, grandfather clocks are a thing. And they're gorgeous.
Extremely anti-social to act like digital clocks are better - similar to acting like social media and Facetime calls are in any way superior to irl face-to-face interaction - as our current loneliness epidemic demonstrates
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in reply to The Dark Lord ☑️ • • •How so?
I genuinely don't understand the clock-face-reading-is-a-useless-skill opinion so both seem equally important to me.
The Dark Lord ☑️
in reply to WalnutLum • • •Fair enough. Most people don’t encounter analog clocks anymore. And many of us have smart watches or phones where we check the time. Since I have a non-analog watch, I don’t find I ever look at analog clocks anymore. If it’s in a room, I just don’t notice it. Growing up, it was important to know, but now I just never have a use for it. Learning is important, but there are so many more interesting and useful things to learn.
You could also make an argument about automatic or manual cars. Sure, we could teach our kids how to drive manual, but why? Most cars are automatic. If they want to have a manual car, they can learn. Otherwise it’s just a useless skill.
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in reply to The Dark Lord ☑️ • • •Yea that's kind of what I was thinking when I said eventually handwriting will go the same way.
If people never encounter it and do all their writing on keyboards, it'll eventually be a useless skill as well.
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in reply to WalnutLum • • •MutilationWave
in reply to The Dark Lord ☑️ • • •Someone else made a comment and I think it's great so imma plagiarize it-
If kids are taught to read an analog clock early, which isn't very hard to learn, they are getting a leg up on fractions, percentages, and geometry.
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in reply to MutilationWave • • •I don't actually believe this is true.
It rather, I imagine that they could get an even greater leg up if that time was spent teaching something else
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in reply to loaExMachina • • •Yes.
But they don't need to know it. So they stopped teaching it.
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in reply to Arun Shah™ • • •Schools are removing analogue clocks from exam halls as teenagers 'cannot tell the time'
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in reply to FireRetardant • • •You on the other perform excellent in being abrasive, despite social pressure not to be an asshole.
10/10 no notes.
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in reply to FireRetardant • • •You're right it's good to prepare young people for challenges. Still, that should mean challenges that would come up anyways, not artificially making things more difficult.
It's good to know how to read an analog clock, just like it's good to be able to read cursive. But both of them are outdated and aren't inherently required in day to day life. Inserting them into a testing situation that's meant to test something else is creating an unnecessary challenge.
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in reply to FireRetardant • • •Except, a pressure gage reads the number it's pointing at. Not 1 hand means the number it's pointing at and the other means 5 times the most recent digit passed plus 1 for each tick mark.
I'd wager that most people would never even see a pressure gage with two hands. Dual-indicating double-bourdon tube differential pressure gages are quite rare in the real world. Usually for that kind of application you'd go digital.
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in reply to ddh • • •Sometimes they have it written on the clockface. I don't think that's a general rule though.
In the same way there are digital clocks that can be wrong too though.
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in reply to Machefi • • •Kids cant ask the teacher for the time?
At my school, because the clock was always between 2 and 10 minutes wrong, the students(mostly me) would just raise their hands and ask how much time they have left
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in reply to ᗪᗩᗰᑎ • • •I wrote the reply before reading the article so i didnt think of digital clocks being the alternative(i also never seen a digital clock in real life excluding smart devices)
Also, i was referencing the part of the comment that said that kids were misreading the time(do kids rely on analog clocks that may be wrong during tests?) , not saying that the problem shouldnt be fixed
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Unknown parent • • •Wristwatches are just jewelry at this point tbh. They've been rendered completely redundant by cell phones. The only people under 60 who wear them are doing so as a fashion statement.
I'm sure a lot of wristwatch stans will downvote me but I don't care I'm still right
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in reply to TheSlad • • •Ever since college I've always worn a cheap watch on my wrist least for the same reason my grandpa stopped keeping a pocket watch: its more convenient to check on your wrist for the time than your pocket.
Granted we're getting way off topic here since except for a few years its ways been a digital watch. Asserting analog watches are more numerous in models when digital watches are more numerous in sales, therefore reading an analog clock is a useful skill is odd to me. When I was wearing an analog watch for my allergies it was a flieger because the mental tax of making the hands turn into a singular time was a frustration.
I learned, though, from this that how you present time changes how you perceive time. Kids who grow up with digital representations of time consider "the current moment" in a much narrower and instantaneous scope than people who grew up thinking of time as being a spectrum on a dial
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in reply to unexposedhazard • • •"Ususally more precise" > This depends on how precisely it is set, not on the display. Unless it's a connected watch, but then it's much more expensive and less energy efficient.
"1.1 translatable into written text" > Both are, you're reading the same number
"Uses the superior 24h system" > Adding 12 to a number isn't complicated. And with habit, most people who use analog watches and the 24h system know which position of the needle means what number in 24h format without doing the math. Some clocks don't even have digits. Unless you've been sedated and woke up in a room without windows, you'll know which side of 12 you're on. And otherwise, you've got more pressing issues.
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in reply to Arun Shah™ • • •Sounds like divisive bullshit.
After all the millennial horseshit we had to hear in the 2010's and we're just gonna turn around and do the same shit, huh?
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in reply to Rooskie91 • • •I'm not gonna do that, fuck that. I do hope this much screen time is ok for kids, even as a young programmer I didn't have an iPad everywhere. Nobody seems concerned about their privacy, but guess what: neither did my millennial peers.
I think everything will be ok with alpha and Z. Let's not repeat our the mistakes of our parents.
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in reply to RubberElectrons • • •I think it's important to not give certain things the benefit of the doubt. This clock stuff is just plain stupid to get bent out of shape about, but the other two are serious concerns.
This is just anecdotal, but I was a late 90's kid that had as much screen time as I wanted growing up. I played an absurd amount of videogames, and had to be dragged outside by my siblings or I could comfortably stay indoors in front of a game or the internet for hours on end. I spent most of my early years (age 3 to age 15) in front of a screen. Yet, I did just fine in school, got a degree, and now work as a software engineer. I fell in love with my highschool sweetheart, and after waiting until I had my degree, we got married at 23, almost 10 years after we started dating. It felt like my obsessive amounts of screen time as a kid didn't have any negative side effects to my life as a whole (outside of being a quiet and reserved person, and some could argue that that's not a negative) and led me down a successful career path.
However, I don't think kids these days have the luxury of doing that anymore. The content put in front of me as a kid was games made by teams that were passionate about the thing they were working on. Forums and early YouTube videos were created by some no name person with the hope of sharing something they openly cared about. Social Media didn't exist yet and once it did, I never really got into it.
The content put in front of children these days is one of three or so things:
1. Mindless dribble. (looking at you, Youtube Kids)
2. Rushed, broken games made barely finished enough to get people to buy them just to make a quick buck, and the ones that are finished are so heavily tied into marketing it's like the game is basically one big ad. (looking at you, Fortnite and Rocket League)
3. Content made with the express purpose to either gain influencer status, or to use that influencer status to market something, primarily to children who are especially vulnerable to the scummy marketing practices they are using.
Obviously there are exceptions to these everywhere, but I'm talking about the things that are actively being shoved down kids' throats. It's not that I think that the content I consumed was better than what I see kids consuming now, but I think that the motivations behind the content can just as easily influence children as much as the content itself. I think that in a lot of ways, this kind of content is actively degrading kids' brains, and from my experience, it's not the screen time, it's what's being shown on screen that's the issue.
Thankfully I'm tech savvy enough that I can make the internet for my children what it was for me as a kid, without all the marketing and money making schemes that pass as content these days, but a lot of people just toss a tablet in front of their kids and call it parenting.
I was going to rant about privacy as well, but this is getting way too long. Just know that I think digital privacy is really important, and think that we've paid the price for not considering it earlier, and there are ways we can save our kids from the same fate.
Sorry, I tend to write way too much on topics I care about, thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
tl;dr - The clock thing is stupid, but please approach the constant exposure to the modern day internet and the digital privacy topics with a bit more scrutiny.
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in reply to Unforeseen • • •Sync process? The other comment was talking about the old receivers for the atomic clocks on SW/MW frequencies. It was a one way thing.
Now in theory if a receiver also had GPS they could account for the distance. But, then they'd get far more accurate time from the GPS receiver so..
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in reply to TheSlad • • •Watches are just more convenient. You don't need to carry a phone everywhere and with texts and calls showing on the watch you don't need to find your phone to check.
I use my watch with alarms/ timers to know when I need to clock out or in from lunch etc while I mostly leave my phone at my desk while at work so if I'm walking around the building I still get my alerts through my watch
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in reply to 2ugly2live • • •You could say it's Same with a digital clock but an analog clock is always the same with circle and 2 hands while I don't know what characters people are trying to do with cursive.
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in reply to LesserAbe • • •Yeah I am way out of practice in my cursive. I can still read it but it wouldn't come naturally. Cursive was pounded into my head at a young age. Teachers saying we would used it every day in our lives. That was probably true for them but it was certainly not true for me.
The only time I ever use cursive is signing my name. The only time I read cursive is a letter from my grandparents once they pass that would basically be the end of my cursive reading.
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in reply to Arun Shah™ • • •1 if u dont kids how to do a thing they dont learn
2 and more importantly; finally, analog clocks have no place in our wold and every last one should be in trash they serve literally no purpose, i have always hated them and i will delight in their death.
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in reply to Iampossiblyatwork • • •curbstickle
in reply to TheSlad • • •For office attire or going out, sure.
If you're doing repair work, running lines, etc, a watch is the choice. Your hands are busy, so a watch is what you need (Except for specific trades where you don't want to risk it getting caught in machinery).
I can say with 100% certainty that I know large swaths of folks in their 20's and 30's who regularly wear watches. Some smart, some digital, some analog.
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in reply to Arun Shah™ • • •I've worked in 2 different schools in the IT department and 4 others as a volunteer lecturer (I got a name tag that said Technology Evangelist) I found that putting an analog clock on the screen saver of computers in the classroom was more likely to result in the clock actually being on time.
Too many clocks in classrooms are very old or even battery powered but neglected.
I don't think kids are dumb just they aren't getting a world that is properly maintained by competent people that care about their work and are adequately resourced to do the whole job.
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in reply to AFaithfulNihilist • • •During my final exams that lasted from may to July they didn’t even bother to set the analog clock to the right hour…
Even for our baccalaureate
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in reply to AngryCommieKender • • •The problem is unless you really use the skill a lot you're not really gonna learn it from school. I had to teach myself how to read analog clocks in highschool cause even though I'm pretty sure I learned it in elementary school I grew up with computers and eventually smart phones so I never had to use it.
Edit: Also for context I was born in 2001
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in reply to Arun Shah™ • • •"Roman numerals to be phased out"
.. Damn gen WW1
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in reply to Arun Shah™ • • •Kids these days do absolutely still know how to read analog clocks.
Besides, they probably shouldn't put effort into that. Those things are close to useless nowadays. It's mostly a case of schools being conservative... but then, it's not that much of an effort, so there are more important things to care about.
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in reply to marcos • • •Actually, a lot don't. I mean, like, at least fifty percent. You would be surprised. I don't think it's schools being conservative so much as it didn't occur to teachers and staff that analogue clocks are frankly obsolete (I still like them). I didn't read this article, but it sounds like that's being corrected.
Anyways, I really respect your attitude that it's not worth getting bent out of shape or spending a lot of time on, I think you're right. A lot of people get precious about it or, worse, make fun of kids like they're stupid because they haven't wasted their time learning to read, essentially, a sundial.
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in reply to marcos • • •I do know how to read an analog clock, but I dont read it subconciously, because my brain works on digital time, so I will have to look at it and then figure out what that time is if it were on a digital clock.
So if I see an analog clock I would rather look at my phone because that is just quicker than doing the conversion.
If you want to know more, look at the video Technology Connections (2?) did about it.
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in reply to TwistedTurtle • • •Well, I don't exactly disagree... but one of those things is completely different from the others.
I would agree more if we were talking literally about "how an analog clock works" instead of the convention to reading them. But it would still be a niche knowledge that you can take from Wikipedia if it ever becomes relevant to you.
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in reply to Arun Shah™ • • •Real talk, is there some benefit to an analog clock that would prevent them from all being replaced by digital ones? Being able to know exactly the time in a moment's glance seems better to me.
They're certainly not better looking than a digital one, considering most of the ones used in schools are just the cheapest and most basic version they can get.
Power requirements maybe? Longevity?
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in reply to AngryCommieKender • • •So what are the purposes? Nobody uses analog clocks anymore so afaict:
What am I missing? 😛
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in reply to PeriodicallyPedantic • • •Clockwise, counter clockwise. Classic time shorthand (IE, half past ten, quarter to eleven). Time estimations (easy to see a half minute on a analog clock, digital just goes from 2:00 to 2:01)
I think analog clock displays are more elegant, and are overall nicer than digital. Personal preference though.
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in reply to Bytemeister • • •I'm not saying nobody should learn it, I'm saying it's not a great use of school resources. If you appreciate the aesthetic or functionality, then by all means go out and learn it. I personally like them, but I think that it should remain out of the curriculum for purely practical reasons.
I still don't really see any useful skills that learning an analog clock teaches you, besides how to read an analog clock, which isn't useful because analog clocks are so rare IRL.\
The handful of useful skills they assist teaching isn't worth it because there are better ways to teach those things. The clock isn't so good at teaching all those things that it's worth using the clock instead.
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in reply to AngryCommieKender • • •I feel called out. I was in high-school Calculus (11th grade) before I "truly" understood fractions. Like, I honestly somehow managed to make it to Calculus without knowing how to add and subtract fractions without a calculator. Thought I was dumb in math until 9th grade algebra, and didn't start becoming a bit of a math nerd until Calculus
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in reply to Halosheep • • •That seems more like a pro for analogue to me. It's much easier with an analogue clock since you get a visual presentation of time. Whenever someone tells me a time, I have to first imagine an analogue clock to understand what that time means.
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in reply to Halosheep • • •Genuine question, how precise do you need the time to be? Maybe you actually need precise readings for something. I figured that "on the 5 min marker", "slightly before/behind the 5 min marker" and "in the middle of two 5 min markers" is precise enough for me. And I see a hand at these positions faster than reading numbers.
I think for precise readings (eg. entering the time I start working), the speed is the same for me, but obviously I didn't test this.
I also think looking at the time but still not knowing what time it is a few seconds later happens less on an analog clock.
I don't know how much personal preference influences this though.
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in reply to Halosheep • • •An analog clock is just three sets of loading bars with their ends glued together. You can tell geometrically what proportion of each division of time (day, hour, and minute) are spent and what proportion remains. You don't even need the numbers.
If you need stopwatch-level precision, sure, a digital display is superior. But how often do you need that? Most of what I need clocks for is, "Oh, it's about a quarter to noon, I have a lunch appointment to get to".
It is my personal preference to visually intuit that the clock hands are roughly separating the hour into 3/4 spent and 1/4 remaining and use that to know how much time I have left to the hour, rather than read the symbols "42" on the display and manually do the mental gymnastics of "well that's basically 45, which is three quarters of the way to 60 minutes".
I'll admit this benefit is marginal.
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in reply to Halosheep • • •From a practicality standpoint, a round clockface is easier to create a mechanical drive system for.
You can create a digital mechanical face (see: Flipboard style numerical displays) but they usually require more gears and are more susceptible to wear and tear than the gears of a round clock face.
The simplest designs for mechanical digital displays actually just take 24 hour and 60 minute/second circular displays and hide the other numerals as the clock face spins around. Technically this I suppose counts as both analog and digital?
Example:
As for electronic displays? Nah not much of a reason to use a round display unless again, you have an electric-mechanical drive and want to save on gears and parts.
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in reply to PeriodicallyPedantic • • •I feel like there's a bit of a difficulty difference. One requires basic spacial understanding. The other requires hundreds of hours of practice to become good. Nevertheless, learning both is a good idea for different reasons. Activating your brains via fine hand coordination is a great activity for children.
As a comparison, think about how much writing chinese children have to learn in school. They don't come out as exactly poorly educated, rather vice versa. Then again, the competetiveness in chinese schools is pretty brutal, at least if I can trust what my chinese colleagues have told me.
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Unknown parent • • •The reason is better is because a number on its own doesn't provide any representation whatsoever of the passing of time. It represents the current observed time, but it does nothing to represent graphically how much of the day is left.
The arguably best representation of the passing of time is a 24h analogue watch/clock, even if that has its own set of issues which make it a terrible way of displaying the current time.
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in reply to Arun Shah™ • • •No one knows how to read a sextant any more. The horror!!
Analog clocks are not really essential technology.
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in reply to rotopenguin • • •Steamymoomilk
in reply to Arun Shah™ • • •Who need analog clocks??
Want the time use digital!
Digital is to little use Millitary time?
Millitary time is to small?
Use UNIX TIME
The only thing i really use thats a dial/analog is calipers and micrometers.
Its like veirneer calipers, there just time consuming and inefficient to modern offerings
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Unknown parent • • •Question one for Advanced Algebra
Solve for time.
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in reply to UncleGrandPa • • •Well you can use the clock for giving headings. "that tree at 10". Then you have historical and ornamental clocks which might be nice to read. Like you can not design a digital clock to look as good as an analog one.
But yeah. Probably not many reasons really
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in reply to UncleGrandPa • • •You can certainly make an argument for young kids, i.e. teaching fractions and literally how to count (counting seconds).
Teenagers? No, not really. They'll all have phones or something to tell the time by a certain age and hopefully they know their fractions / how to count. It might as well just be digital at that point.
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in reply to supertrucker • • •These days so would die also. That said, love me a mechanical clock and have a skeleton watch I daily drive.
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in reply to UncleGrandPa • • •Accessibility.
We will never get rid of the analogue clocks from our school, we're an adult education and alternative model highschool qualifications centre.
We primarily teach adults with no to low English, adults and teens with disabilities, and adults and teens refered via corrections services.
There is a significant level of illiteracy within numeracy, and for some of our students, it's not a failing of the education system, it's just a fact of life given their specific circumstances (eg, acquired brain injuries are common among our students)
Some students can learn to tell time on an analogue clock even if they didn't know before.
But even my students who will never in their life be able to fully and independently remember and recall their numbers can tell the time with an analogue clock.
I tell my students "we will take lunch at 12pm, so if you look at the clock and the arms look like this /imitates a clock/ we will go to lunch"
And now I avoid 40 questions of "when's lunch?" because you don't need to tell time to see time with an analogue clock, they can physically watch the hands move, getting closer to the shape they recognise as lunch time.
And my other students can just read the time, from the clock, and not feel infantalised by having a disability friendly task clock like they've done at other centres I work at - they've had a digital clock for students who can tell time, and a task clock as the accessible clock. But a well designed face on an analogue clock can do both.
I myself have time blindness due to a neurological/CRD issue, so analogue clocks, and analogue timers are an accessibility tool for me as well, as the teacher.
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Unknown parent • • •Depends for me. In my casual day to day I don't but when I had a lot of appointments to meet I find it quicker to check the time on my wrist than bu fumbling for my smartphone in my pocket, something that is probably even more true for women if they store their phone in a small bag due to lack of pockets.
Also, sometimes I like leaving my phone at home because I have unfortunately developed the tendency to give it a short glance whenever I have downtime. If I still need to know the time I can still wear a wristwatch.
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in reply to Kalysta • • •Feels like we have a limited amount of time to teach kids and we have more important things to teach them during that time
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It'd be nice if all the fuckin edgelords downvoting had the courage to say what they'd like to remove from the curriculum to make room for fuckin analog clock lessons.
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in reply to TheSlad • • •I use my wristwatch all the time to take dogs’ pulses.
Having a cell phone next to a grumpy dog is asking for a broken cell phone. I’m sure people in other fields need wristwatches as well.
Just because you don’t use them don’t mean they’re not useful.
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in reply to PeriodicallyPedantic • • •No, screw that whataboutism. When I went to school, I learned so much information that is virtually useless to most people, and not nearly enough skills and knowledge that would actually be helpful in daily life. I would like to see the situation improve for future generations.
Analogue clocks are everywhere and being able to read them is still important. Besides, if schools aren't even capable of teaching something so simple to students, I think that calls into question their ability to teach far more complex things.
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in reply to bitMasque • • •Perhaps the fact that we pay them like 30 grand a year is a factor?
That's how much my one bedroom apartment costs 😂 there's no money left over for food or loans or electricity or gas
Financial stress has been proven to make you dumber
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in reply to ThatWeirdGuy1001 • • •I'm not screaming about the young people; I was "the young people" not that long ago. Not everyone who criticizes education is an out of touch boomer resisting every societal change.
Actually, analogue clocks have been obsoleted in almost every way by digital clocks for at least half a century, as digital wristwatches first hit the market in the 1970s. And yet, analogue clocks are still found everywhere. Classes, stores, train stations, homes, offices, not to mention the majority of wristwatches, still mostly use analogue clocks. In fact, excluding screens, I wouldn't be surprised if most people came across more analogue clocks than digital clocks on a daily basis. They're technologically obsolete, but haven't fallen out of use.
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in reply to bitMasque • • •I have to have an analog clock within sight in the morning. When I first wake up I'm too tired and bleary eyed to think about numbers but I know what angle the minute hand will be at when I have leave to catch the bus to work. When you're familiar with an analog clock it's far more user friendly than looking at some numbers and have to do some math. Sure it's simple math, but first thing in the morning, I'd rather just glance at the minute hand and when I see the angle I just know.
So I don't think it's not going away despite it being obsolete, it's not going away because it's more user friendly. Sure there's a learning curve, but once you've gotten the hang of it, it's a more efficient way for a human to get a sense of time, which in many cases is more important than having a numerical representation of time.
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in reply to bitMasque • • •How is that whataboutism?
It's not that schools have become unable to teach kids to read analog clocks or kids have become unable to learn it. It's not that they can't it's that they don't
But speaking of whataboutism, your argument is literally "well what about all the useless stuff that I learned in school???" \
How about they stop teaching useless stuff, and the first things they can throw out are cursive and analog clocks.
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in reply to Arun Shah™ • • •It floors me just how many people in this thread feel like analog clock reading is a useless/outdated skill.
But I'm of the opinion that there's no such thing as a truly outdated and useless skill, so I'm not sure I have the capability to empathize with those people...
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in reply to WalnutLum • • •I perceive remaining time much better with an analogue clock. It's also why I perceive time in fractions. I think it's the superior clock, and people should probably learn to fucking read one since they're everywhere.
I also think it's kind of insane that we're not at least learning how to read cursive in schools anymore. There are countless documents written in English that English speakers will not be able to properly decipher.
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in reply to WalnutLum • • •It's not useless.
It's just less useful that other things that should be taught in school. There is only so much time in a school year, and it shouldn't replace those more useful things in the curriculum.
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in reply to WalnutLum • • •As a person who prefers analog clocks I disagree
What benefit does analog bring over digital other than nostalgia?
Once is objectively faster to read granularly, by the minute
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in reply to 4lan • • •For the usability of the clock, likely nothing.
I did mention In another comment that there are a number of advantages a round clockface provides to the creation of the clock, however.
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in reply to TheSlad • • •I'm a watch nerd with a collection of mechanical watches and I'm not going to downvote you because you're right. I wear them because I like them even though I know they are anachronistic. I can't remember the last time I interacted with somebody significantly younger than me who was wearing a watch, and as I said, I'm a watch nerd, someone's watch is one of the first things I notice about them.
I will say that they are occasionally more convenient than other places I could check the time but I've built my life in such a way that I very rarely have to care about what time it is and I go weeks at a time without checking the time, just wearing them because I'm fascinated by tiny gears and springs doing their business and I like the feeling of it on my wrist.
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in reply to Arun Shah™ • • •Analog clocks are kind of annoying tbh. Sometimes you need that little extra energy you have to spend on wondering whether it is 11:37 or 11:38 already by carefully visually bisecting the circle section between 7 and 8.
Millimetres of white space keep you wondering about the nature of analogue vs digital, discrete vs continuous and measurement uncertainty while you have better things to do but cannot just give up on OCDing whether it is exactly 11:37:30 already or maybe it is 11:37:35? And boom in these seconds you were wondering it is already pointless because it is the past and now it is time to wonder if it is 11:38:15 or 11:38:30
Whereas for digital it is just:
oh it is 11:11 on 11.11.11, how cool, life’s good
Thus it is my opinion that analogue clocks are virgins whereas digital are chads
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in reply to Emmie • • •There's a huge difference between "most clocks" and "most clocks I've seen" - especially if your clock experience is restricted to schools.
Do you see a lot of schools? Do you know whether the schools you've been to all use the same supplier? How broad is your school clock experience? How many clocks do you think you've seen, ever?
Most clocks I've seen recently (I can recall exactly 1) have seconds hands. Regardless though I'm not suggesting "most clocks" have seconds hands...I'm just making a quip about how traditional, analogue, clocks have seconds hands to deal with the exact problems noted.
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in reply to el_abuelo • • •And yet in schools they don’t have seconds. Never had
I still have ptsd thanks to that. Can you imagine? No seconds?
This is pure torture that should be forbidden by Geneva convention. So uncivilised
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in reply to Emmie • • •I cannot fathom such deep despair for I only live in a world of seconds.
God speed my simple friend. God speed.
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in reply to Emmie • • •I love having an analog clock. It makes it feel like you have more time compared to a digital clock, making me more relaxed. For example, if the time is 12:34 PM, my subconscious will think, "Ahh, shit, 26 more minutes before 1 PM." But with an analog clock, I read it as around half an hour before 1 PM. The visual representation also helps, like seeing that there is a distance that the hands need to travel to reach a certain time.
All in all, I very much prefer having analog clocks vs digital when given the chance.
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in reply to Pilferjinx • • •There is some truth to that, but this doesn't seem like the thing to focus on, if that's the goal. Surely there is a better subject to fulfill those needs.
Like... If we all forgot how to keep time, and we had to invent a new system of time keeping... Surely we could do better than what we have now.
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in reply to PeriodicallyPedantic • • •You sound like someone who doesn't know how to read an analoge clock.
I bet you could figure it out if you looked it up. And you would be better for it ❤️
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in reply to ziggurat • • •You sound like one of those edgelords who acts like grumpy old men who cry at young people for doing things differently.
I bet you could stop talking and everyone would like you better ♥️
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in reply to DNOS • • •Analog clocks are a better representation of how we think of time than a digital clock.
If someone looks and immediately afterwards someone asks them for the time, they will look at their watch again. The number isn't really what matters, it's "how long until X will happen" that matters more.
You know you're meeting is at 10:30, you see it's 9:55. You know it's about a half hour until the meeting, and the meeting will happen when that big hand gets to the bottom. The numbers themselves won't do that for you, you have to think 60 minutes in an hour, 60-5 = 5 + 30 = 35 minutes away. When you check the digital clock again you see 10:17, so you have to think 30-17 = 13 minutes until the meeting. But with an analog clock it's like a reusable progress bar (well progress arc to be more accurate). Quick glance and you see how far the minute hand has to go and you're good.
Sure the mental math needed to get a sense of time with a digital clock isn't all that hard. But it is an additional step over the adhoc progress arcs that analog clocks provide.
Digital clocks are fine and all, but are just slightly worse than analog clocks. Just how technology is going I guess, always giving us something that's technically more advanced but worse for humans to interface with.
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in reply to GelatinGeorge • • •1030-955=75. So intuitively, it would be 75 minutes until the meeting. Oh wait... maybe it's not intuitive?
210 degree arc is always going to be 35 minutes. Whether it's the 35 minutes from 9:55 to 10:30 or 9:50 to 10:25 or 3:15 to 3:50 or whatever. Sure you have to get used to the arcs. But once you do, it's a quick glance at the minute hand and seeing how far away it is from the time of the meeting (or whatever the next thing is). Time for a computer is a number, time for a human is how long until a thing is going to happen.
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in reply to Arun Shah™ • • •edit to add: My brother recently told me that he was at the library and his friend's teenage daughter looked at the analog clock and said indignantly "I can't read that!" So apparently it is true that people aren't learning simple skills like this.
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in reply to leadore • • •I personally know how to read an analog watch but I do it so rarely that it takes a bit of time thinking before I figure it out and convert it to 24 hour time. Because I use digital time absolutely everywhere and never analog time.
Hell I even got a digital wrist watch, mostly because it's easier and faster to read for me but also because it's more accurate. I will admit that the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy also played a role in the purchase.
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in reply to leadore • • •But the main reason, It's easier to tell exactly what the time is in seconds when it's digital compared to a fast spinning stick. Not that it really matters, I just like it.
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in reply to Anti-Face Weapon • • •Wait...you think those are intuitive? Fuck no.
Who's going to intuitively know that "long hand pointing at 2" means "10 minutes after the hour"? Also, having the long hand for minutes is super unintuitive when hours are longer than minutes.
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in reply to zarkanian • • •May not be super intuitive, but getting rid of them is intellectually lazy. If you know an hour is 60 minutes, it makes enough sense.
If an hour is 60 minutes, 60/12 is 5 minutes per number on the clock. Long hand is minutes because there are more minutes in a day than hours. Or at least that's how I can rationalize it.
If you can explain an analog clock that quickly, it's just lazy for them to not learn it. It also has cross application to make people more comfortable with mental math and multiples commonly seen in trigonometry.
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in reply to zarkanian • • •Minutes are the smaller time division with 60 possible values so that hand is longer to reach to the tick marks for easier reading of the exact minute.
The hour hand only needs to distinguish between 12 possible values that are more spread out around the perimeter, so it doesn't need to reach very far to tell which hour out of 12 it is.
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in reply to Arun Shah™ • • •OK let's have a lesson for those who find this difficult. First, remember that little kids pick this up quickly and easily, so you can too!
We all know there are 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, and 24 hours in a day, right? and that the day is divided into the a.m. of 12 hours and the p.m. of 12 hours.
So analog clocks show those 12 hours as the numbers 1-12 evenly spaced around the clock face. Now look a little closer and you see it's also divided into 60 marks with a tick mark for each of the 60 seconds/minute or 60 minutes/hour. Hang on, we're almost there!
The little hand points to the HOUR number (1-12). If it's in between two numbers, that means the time is in between those two hours.
The big hand points to the MINUTE tick mark. Notice that the 1-12 numbers coincide with each 5th tick mark so it's easy to count them. Just count by 5's! So if the big hand is between the 3 and the 4, that means the minute of the hour is between 15 and 20, look at which tick mark for the exact minute.
Now, can you figure out how the second hand works? Good! Kindergarten dismissed!
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