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Teachable moment on actual network decentralization...

Some ask, what is wrong with platforming and verifying JD Vance? This is a subject upon which different people will have different opinions.

The issue is that in a centralized system the decision is left with the centralized authority. In this case, #Bluesky's Jay Graber. They only option users have is to individually block the account, which as David Fleetwood @reflex explains here is an opt-out decision: retrogaming.social/@reflex/114…

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This is an opt in vs opt out question. On #bluesky you are opted into everything unless you take action to disable it. Vance starts with the largest possible audience by default.

On #Fedi you can choose an instance that will opt you out of things you want nothing to do with by default. Vance has to work to get the reach he would have by default on Bluesky. And that work has to meet the conditions of those he hopes to reach.


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in reply to Mastodon Migration

The beauty of a truly decentralized network is that collective moderation forces align to safeguard the community. An individual instance certainly has the ability to platform anyone. However, when they do so they risk collective action by the network to isolate them and their users. We have seen this multiple times where simply the threat of instance blocking has affected moderation decisions. This is, in effect, a natural organic means of defense for the larger community.

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in reply to Mastodon Migration

Let's take it even further. Imagine an instance wholly embraces platforming the individual, and are subsequently blocked by many other instances. Instance users have the real option of moving somewhere else. Further, other instances that likewise don't object stay connected. The network adapts, and even balkanizes into almost entirely separate sub-networks based on different values. Decentralization replaces unitary authority with collective democratic process.

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in reply to Mastodon Migration

Case in point, isn't Truth Social just a pre-balkanized adaptation of Mastodon?
in reply to Lefty

@Lefty

Kind of. It is more of a fork of Mastodon because it doesn't federate at all.

There are however many instances that host things like graphic pornography that are blocked by most 'mainstream' Fediverse instances. So, a kind of 'dark Fediverse' does exist and is a good example of how the network balkanizes and organically defends against such 'bad' actors.

in reply to Mastodon Migration

I don't like the decision either but "individually blocking the account" isn't the only option. bluesky isn't as bad as made out to be. they have proper composable moderation there. I never individually blocked them but I'll never see JD Vance or anyone following him. I'm subscribed to asukafield which handled it before I was even aware that JD Vance had created a bluesky account
in reply to sanana🏴🏳️‍⚧️

@sanana

This is a good point. The blocklists and composable moderation does provide a means of autoblocking. Never-the-less it is still an opt-in process that requires you to take the affirmative action of moderating your account by joining the blocklist. The default is that the account is not blocked.

in reply to Mastodon Migration

@sanana it would be possible for ATProto platforms like Bluesky to have an opt-in process of more people/orgs hosted their own PDS/infrastructure — then you would have the simplicity of their platforms and also the option of a moderation team that is proactive instead of reactive

Alas, the vast majority is on the equivalent of mastodon.social (but worse)

in reply to Mastodon Migration

that's why I think platforms that leave it upto the user are doing more harm than good especially when it comes to such individuals and their 'conversations'.

as long as the main line is open, the hate will spread, regardless if I block it or not - it shouldn't be available/accessible in the first place.

Fedi Tips does a better job at explaining this below:

social.growyourown.services/@F…


p.s. It isn't enough to say that individuals can just block stuff they don't like.

Fascists don't care about people who block them, they only care about those who don't block them.

Fascists use platforms to try to radicalise anyone who will listen. Fascists spread hateful lies about vulnerable minorities, and if someone believes those lies they may follow the fascist and spread lies too.

I've tried to explain this in a way that hopefully anyone can relate to:

social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/…


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in reply to Karis [moved account- see bio]

Agreed. Love @FediTips explanation. Also feel like the best succinct phrasing comes from @eons in a reply to another thread on this topic today:

"when a hostile actor appears, if your options are "look away or leave" then you're in a nazi bar"

mastodon.gamedev.place/@eons/1…


when an hostile actor appears, if your options are "look away or leave" then you're in a nazi bar

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