Fediverse is like email
It would be nice with a search engine made with decentralization in mind.
Like the internet is decentralized but the good search engines are at centralised companies like Google etc.
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It would be nice with a search engine made with decentralization in mind.
Like the internet is decentralized but the good search engines are at centralised companies like Google etc.
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Is it really that good? I think I tried it some years ago and it wasn't really a satisfying experience.
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I was thinking the decentralized design makes it more difficult to find stuff but I can also see the issue of potential trolling or spam bots. Or exposure to the public web when you don't want to.
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in reply to Anders Rytter Hansen • • •Or exposure to harassment, including offline. Or context collapse. Or…
In the end, adding search would change the space dramatically, especially any privacy-related expectations. And there are about 2mln people who are using fedi with current set of expectations. There are hundreds of thousands who had been using it with this set of expectations for years. Waltzing in and bulldozing these expectations is just not a good idea.
So yeah, don't do search on fedi unless you do some deep research about consent.
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I meant a search engine for Fediverse 😀
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I didn't think about that issue.
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Unknown parent • • •I don't have to defend my right to decide how stuff I put out there can be used. Whoever wants to scrape my toots has to explain why they want to do so, and get my consent first.
And "well it's publicly available so it's fair game" is not enough of an argument. Just as "she was wearing a short skirt" is not consent to sexual advances.
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Unknown parent • • •I think search engines indexing plain old websites (blogs etc) are an importantly different case.
The nature of the medium in blogs/news websites/etc is way more public and way less intimate (in general…) than social media. Social media blur the line between private and public conversations, for better or worse.
Social media is like having a conversation in a public cafe; websites/blogs is more like publishing a newspaper or standing on the corner of a street shouting your message at strangers.
Making a public archive of newspapers or recording a person shouting at strangers is one thing. Recording semi-private conversations in a cafe is a whole different thing. Does that make sense?
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in reply to anova (she/they/it) • • •I am one of those technology educators, and today I would still warn people that "Internet does not forget", and that they need to be careful what they put out there.
That doesn't mean we should not demand explanation from people who make it so, and that we should not demand them to ask for consent and respect our refusal to give it. I really appreciate how fedi culturally puts this front-and-center. I hope it continues to do so, and that this way of thinking spreads farther!
I agree that consent should not be a controversial topic. Regardless of how much it inconveniences techbros trying to "disrupt" yet another area of human endeavor.
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in reply to XpeeN • • •Yeah I saw that. Great tool.
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