What is your most useful Linux app which others might not know about (please don't just give the name but a link and why it is good for you) ?
Why software do you use in your day-to-day computing which might not be well-known?
For me, there are ~~two~~ three things for personal information management:
- for shopping receipts, notes and such, I write them down using vim on a small Gemini PDA with a keyboard. I transfer them via scp to a Raspberry Pi home server on from there to my main PC. Because it runs on Sailfish OS, it also runs calendar (via CalDav) and mail nicely - and without any FAANG server.
- for things like manuals and stuff that is needed every few months ("what was just the number of our gas meter?" "what is the process to clean the dishwasher?") , I have a Gollum Wiki which I have running on my Laptop and the home Raspi server. This is a very simple web wiki which supports several markup languages (like Markdown, MediaWiki, reStructuredText, and Creole), and stores them via git. For me, it is perfect to organize personal information around the home.
- for work, I use Zim wiki. It is very nice for collecting and organizing snippets of information.
- oh, and I love Inkscape(a powerful vector drawing program), Xournal (a program you can write with a tablet on and annotate PDFs), and Shotwell (a simple photo manager). The great thing about Shotwell is that it supports nicely to filter your photos by quality - and doing that again and again with a critical eye makes you a better photographer.
Liberals right now...
Cross-posted from "Liberals right now..." by @return2ozma@lemmy.world in !politicalmemes@lemmy.world
Capitalism is violence.
Having billionaires while people starve is violence.
Denying healthcare while spending billions on military is violence.
Supplying weapons or finances to states commiting genocide is violence.
Right now, if you are passive, you are complicit in immense amounts of violence.
Somehow this is lost on liberals. (Or alternatively they believe the once every 4 years elite propaganda contest [elections] or strongly worded petitions are the only effective ways of dissent).
If You're Going to Protest, Watch This!
- YouTube
Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.www.youtube.com
Finland to fine parents if their underage child drives an e-scooter
Finland to fine parents if their underage child drives an e-scooter
Changes to the laws around the use of electric scooters, including the introduction of a minimum age limit, will come into force next Tuesday, 17 June.Yle News
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Finland to fine parents if their underage child drives an e-scooter
Finland to fine parents if their underage child drives an e-scooter
Changes to the laws around the use of electric scooters, including the introduction of a minimum age limit, will come into force next Tuesday, 17 June.Yle News
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Bill Atkinson, visionary engineer behind the Apple Macintosh operating system, dies at 74
Bill Atkinson, visionary engineer behind the Apple Macintosh operating system, dies at 74
Bill Atkinson, the computer engineer at Apple who played a critical role in the development of the Macintosh operating system in 1984 and the ubiquity of the desktop metaphor of files and folders in personal computing, died on June 5 at the age of 74…World Socialist Web Site
Bill Atkinson, visionary engineer behind the Apple Macintosh operating system, dies at 74
Bill Atkinson, visionary engineer behind the Apple Macintosh operating system, dies at 74
Bill Atkinson, the computer engineer at Apple who played a critical role in the development of the Macintosh operating system in 1984 and the ubiquity of the desktop metaphor of files and folders in personal computing, died on June 5 at the age of 74…World Socialist Web Site
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Ireland moves to ban Israeli imports, as university severs ties with Israel
Ireland moves to ban Israeli imports, as university severs ties with Israel
Ireland has made moves to become the first European Union country to ban trade with Israeli-occupied territories, while its prestigious university Trinity College has cut all ties with Israel.RFI
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Ireland moves to ban Israeli imports, as university severs ties with Israel
Ireland moves to ban Israeli imports, as university severs ties with Israel
Ireland has made moves to become the first European Union country to ban trade with Israeli-occupied territories, while its prestigious university Trinity College has cut all ties with Israel.RFI
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Hong Kong workers strike against the algorithmic exploitation of Keeta, a food delivery platform
Hong Kong workers strike against the algorithmic exploitation of Keeta, a food delivery platform
The crackdown on pro-democracy labour unions, combined with the decline of the restaurant industry in recent years, has left food delivery workers in a weak position when bargaining with platform operators.Global Voices
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Hong Kong workers strike against the algorithmic exploitation of Keeta, a food delivery platform
Hong Kong workers strike against the algorithmic exploitation of Keeta, a food delivery platform
The crackdown on pro-democracy labour unions, combined with the decline of the restaurant industry in recent years, has left food delivery workers in a weak position when bargaining with platform operators.Global Voices
Refresher On The Rules For Discussing Israeli Wars
Refresher On The Rules For Discussing Israeli Wars
Rule 4: Israel has a right to defend itself, but nobody else does.Caitlin Johnstone
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Challenge someone to a game of chess using toots!
GitHub - stephank/castling.club: Challenge someone to a game of chess using toots!
Challenge someone to a game of chess using toots! Contribute to stephank/castling.club development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
L’AI di Google ammazzerà i quotidiani?
crosspostato da: poliverso.org/objects/0477a01e…
L’AI di Google ammazzerà i quotidiani?
L'articolo proviene da #StartMag e viene ricondiviso sulla comunità Lemmy @informatica
Il New York Times ha visto crollare negli ultimi tre anni la sua quota di traffico proveniente dalla ricerca organica verso i siti desktop e mobile del giornale dal 44% al 36,5% registrato nell'aprile 2025: tutta colpa, dice il Wall Street
L'AI di Google ammazzerà i quotidiani? - Startmag
L'Ai sta stravolgendo le ricerche su Internet penalizzando soprattutto i quotidiani che ora stringono alleanze con le software houseCarlo Terzano (Startmag)
L’AI di Google ammazzerà i quotidiani?
L'articolo proviene da #StartMag e viene ricondiviso sulla comunità Lemmy @Informatica (Italy e non Italy 😁)
Il New York Times ha visto crollare negli ultimi tre anni la sua quota di traffico proveniente dalla ricerca organica verso i siti desktop e mobile del giornale dal 44% al 36,5% registrato nell'aprile 2025: tutta colpa, dice il Wall Street
In fondo, i giornali devono essere leggibili, gratuitamente o a pagamento, e nessuno vorrebbe mai sottoscrivere un abbonamento per fruire di una schermata protetta, non copiabile o magari illeggibile come un captcha 😅
xAI Data Center Emits Plumes of Pollution, New Video Shows
A massive data center at xAI’s controversial site in Memphis, Tennessee is emitting huge plumes of pollution, according to footage recorded by an environmental watchdog group.
xAI data centre emits plumes of pollution, new video shows - DeSmog
A massive data centre at xAI’s controversial site in Memphis, Tennessee is emitting huge plumes of pollution, according to an environmental watchdog group.Nick Cunningham (DeSmog)
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xAI Data Center Emits Plumes of Pollution, New Video Shows
A massive data center at xAI’s controversial site in Memphis, Tennessee is emitting huge plumes of pollution, according to footage recorded by an environmental watchdog group.
xAI data centre emits plumes of pollution, new video shows - DeSmog
A massive data centre at xAI’s controversial site in Memphis, Tennessee is emitting huge plumes of pollution, according to an environmental watchdog group.Nick Cunningham (DeSmog)
Seeking a core dev for Arcadia
As some of you may know, a new bittorrent tracker/site platform built with Rust/VueJS is in the works. Here is the announcement and a progress report.
When this started, my motivation was high and things went fast. I'm still very motivated to bring arcadia to a production-ready level, but I need at least 1 other "core" dev to work with me. Since this is a community project, I'm not expecting instant replies, daily commits, etc. But a buddy to share the pain and the fun with 😀 we are humans after all, social beings! Some people already made very nice contributions (and I thank you all again!), but it's not the same as having someone who knows the codebase well, can take informed decisions, etc.
So if you are (or know someone who might be) interested in building what could be the next big thing in the torrenting realm, please dm me here or on discord (@FrenchGithubUser) and let's chat! I will happily give more details and assistance for whatever is needed! Also feel free to post on your private tracker forums/irc to let other know about arcadia! I believe that coding with others is paramount for projects of this size!
Quick links:
As a reminder, arcadia is a programming project, aiming at bringing a tool to the community. We are not going to host you typical private tracker (although some might). However, I recently rolled out a demo site for the ones interested in testing/developing arcadia. If you are interested, join the discord server.
GitHub - Arcadia-Solutions/arcadia: Content-agnostic torrent site & tracker framework
Content-agnostic torrent site & tracker framework. Contribute to Arcadia-Solutions/arcadia development by creating an account on GitHub.GitHub
Al Museo Ugonia di Brisighella (Ra) fino al 14 settembre la mostra “Connessioni 2”
Una nuova mostra collettiva sarà esposta a partire da questo sabato e per tutta l’estate al Museo Ugonia: “Connessioni 2” non è solo il titolo dell’esposizione, ma anche la rappresentazione dell’intenzione che i quattro artisti mettono in queste opere. Le suggestioni contenute in questi dipinti lasciano spazio a visioni e forme evocative, in un racconto corale figurativo dove gli oggetti quotidiani costituiscono un varco verso nuove e inesplorate dimensioni. Gli artisti – Antonio Bertoni, Filippo Maestroni, Luca Casadio e Martino Neri – portano i visitatori in un viaggio di “metamorfosi pittoriche”, come le descrive nel suo testo critico Tommaso Ortolani. “Ogni forma, ogni luce, ogni ombra si trasforma sotto lo sguardo e nel dialogo silenzioso tra le tele – continua Ortolani – In un tempo che ha spesso rimosso la pittura figurativa come lingua del presente, questa mostra ne rivendica invece la vitalità e la necessità.”
L’inaugurazione si terrà al Museo sabato 14 giugno alle 18.00, alla presenza degli artisti e delle autorità locali. La mostra sarà visitabile fino al 14 settembre, durante gli orari di apertura del Museo Ugonia: tutti i festivi e prefestivi, ore 10-12 e 16-19.
Al Museo Ugonia di Brisighella (Ra) fino al 14 settembre la mostra “Connessioni 2” - ViaggieMiraggi
Una nuova mostra collettiva sarà esposta a partire da questo sabato e per tutta l’estate al Museo Ugonia: “Connessioni 2” non è solo il titolo dell’esposizione, ma anche la rappresentazione dell’intenzione che i quattro artisti mettono in queste oper…Redazione (ViaggieMiraggi)
A Musician’s Brain Matter Is Still Making Music—Three Years After His Death
A Musician’s Brain Matter Is Still Making Music—Three Years After His Death
In collaboration with the artist, the installation examines the ideas of creativity and the moral quandary of extending someone’s life beyond their biological death.Darren Orf (Popular Mechanics)
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But brain matter can create electric impulses. A similar developement was to connect brain cells with chips.
technologyreview.com/2023/12/1…
Human brain cells hooked up to a chip can do speech recognition
Clusters of brain cells grown in the lab have shown potential as a new type of hybrid bio-computer.Abdullahi Tsanni, SM ’23 (MIT Technology Review)
This wasn't "his brain matter", these were "neuronal organoids" (clumps of neurons) grown from harvesting white blood cells and turning those into stem cells. Then the clumps were networked together with a literal wire to conduct signals between them, for timing.
Usually in organoids networks the wire delivers either regular, repeating inputs ("clean" pulses) as a reward for succeeding a task, or a random signal ("noise") for failure; this is how they're "trained" to play Pong for example:
In more advanced closed-loop setups, organoid cultures are embedded within simulated environments that allow them to “interact” in a game-like world. By using high-density multielectrode arrays (MEAs) to deliver patterns of electrical signals, researchers can create closed-loop feedback systems that enable organoids to process and respond to certain inputs (Kagan et al. [2022]). For instance, in one experiment, monolayer neuronal cultures were given sparse sensory feedback about the consequences of their actions within a simulated game. The organoids displayed short-term memory by organizing themselves in goal-directed ways, effectively learning to complete simple behavioural tasks. This capability, made possible by reinforcement learning, allows organoids to adapt based on feedback, akin to how a human brain might learn from trial and error.
(cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896…)
These same methods are being used to train organoids as Machine Learning compute substrates, because they're much more efficient than silicon: aapsopen.springeropen.com/arti…
As disinformation and hate thrive online, YouTube quietly changed how it moderates content
YouTube, the world's largest video platform, appears to have changed its moderation policies to allow more content that violates its own rules to remain online.
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As disinformation and hate thrive online, YouTube quietly changed how it moderates content
YouTube, the world's largest video platform, appears to have changed its moderation policies to allow more content that violates its own rules to remain online.
Is Google about to destroy the web?
Google says a new AI tool on its search engine will rejuvenate the internet. Others predict an apocalypse for websites. One thing is clear: the current chapter of online history is careening towards its end. Welcome to the "machine web".The web is built on a simple bargain – websites let search engines like Google slurp up their content, free of charge, and Google Search sends people to websites in exchange, where they buy things and look at adverts. That's how most sites make money.
An estimated 68% of internet activity starts on search engines and about 90% of searches happen on Google. If the internet is a garden, Google is the Sun that lets the flowers grow.
This arrangement held strong for decades, but a seemingly minor change has some convinced that the system is crumbling. You'll soon see a new AI tool on Google Search. You may find it very useful. But if critics' predictions come true, it will also have seismic consequences for the internet. They paint a picture where quality information could grow scarcer online and large numbers of people might lose their jobs. Optimists say instead this could improve the web's business model and expand opportunities to find great content. But, for better or worse, your digital experiences may never be the same again.
On 20 May 2025, Google's chief executive Sundar Pichai walked on stage at the company's annual developer conference. It's been a year since the launch of AI Overviews, the AI-generated responses you've probably seen at the top of Google Search results. Now, Pichai said, Google is going further. "For those who want an end-to-end AI Search experience, we are introducing an all-new AI Mode," he said. "It's a total reimagining of Search."
You might be sceptical after years of AI hype, but this, for once, is the real deal.
Is Google about to destroy the web?
Google says adding more AI to its search engine will rejuvenate the internet. Others predict an apocalypse for websites. One thing is clear: this era of online history is closing.Thomas Germain (BBC)
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Is Google about to destroy the web?
Google says a new AI tool on its search engine will rejuvenate the internet. Others predict an apocalypse for websites. One thing is clear: the current chapter of online history is careening towards its end. Welcome to the "machine web".The web is built on a simple bargain – websites let search engines like Google slurp up their content, free of charge, and Google Search sends people to websites in exchange, where they buy things and look at adverts. That's how most sites make money.
An estimated 68% of internet activity starts on search engines and about 90% of searches happen on Google. If the internet is a garden, Google is the Sun that lets the flowers grow.
This arrangement held strong for decades, but a seemingly minor change has some convinced that the system is crumbling. You'll soon see a new AI tool on Google Search. You may find it very useful. But if critics' predictions come true, it will also have seismic consequences for the internet. They paint a picture where quality information could grow scarcer online and large numbers of people might lose their jobs. Optimists say instead this could improve the web's business model and expand opportunities to find great content. But, for better or worse, your digital experiences may never be the same again.
On 20 May 2025, Google's chief executive Sundar Pichai walked on stage at the company's annual developer conference. It's been a year since the launch of AI Overviews, the AI-generated responses you've probably seen at the top of Google Search results. Now, Pichai said, Google is going further. "For those who want an end-to-end AI Search experience, we are introducing an all-new AI Mode," he said. "It's a total reimagining of Search."
You might be sceptical after years of AI hype, but this, for once, is the real deal.
Is Google about to destroy the web?
Google says adding more AI to its search engine will rejuvenate the internet. Others predict an apocalypse for websites. One thing is clear: this era of online history is closing.Thomas Germain (BBC)
Why is data congregation so hard on Mastodon?
This applies to any of the microblogging software. Akkoma, IceShrimp, etc. I go to any Lemmy instance, big or small, and the up/downvote data and replies are basically all the same. The same goes for Peertube, and most services that aren't Mastodon and the gang. Why is this? Is it because of older design? Unexpected issues cropping up with scale? It seems to be such a big struggle over there, but for everyone else, it's whatevs.
I would love to permanently reside on a smaller Mastodon instance or host my own, but I often find that many posts are unavailable and a lot of replies I want to reply to don't exist. It is an incredibly frustrating experience.
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mutamento di pelle ottiaco di modo serpencel
A causa di quella che sto adesso subendo io, mi è tornata in mente l’esistenza della muta come concetto. Ci sono purtroppo poche mute (da non confondere quindi con le multe, che sono tante), ma tutte di diverse categorie… C’è la muta umana normale, per cui ogni giorno perdiamo nell’aria quantità allucinanti di cellule morte […]
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mutamento di pelle ottiaco di modo serpencel
A causa di quella che sto adesso subendo io, mi è tornata in mente l’esistenza della muta come concetto. Ci sono purtroppo poche mute (da non confondere quindi con le multe, che sono tante), ma tutte di diverse categorie… C’è la muta umana normale, per cui ogni giorno perdiamo nell’aria quantità allucinanti di cellule morte di epidermide — che fa assolutamente schifo, perché queste finiscono in giro per casa a contribuire alla formazione della classica polvere, costringendo a spolverare e quindi faticare senza che da questo lavoro scaturisca alcun prodotto — c’è quella dei serpenti, che è elegante perché c’è proprio la pellicola vecchia consumata che si stacca per essere sostituita con la nuova già perfettamente applicata, che poi a sua volta sarà cambiata…
…E infine poi, appunto, c’è la muta arsa viva, che io sto subendo solo adesso dopo il famoso incidentino. Se fosse vetro su di un display, questa cosa si chiamerebbe spacc, quindi il livello in questione è alto pregio. A pensarci è buono anche per il semplice fatto che fa molto femcel, rappresentando sostanzialmente in modo immediatamente visibile la disgregazione continua della mia anima, e focalizzando la generale permanente imperfezione del mio corpo su di un particolare punto oggettivamente percepibile. È in ogni caso simpatica però, perché è una via di mezzo tra le altre mute di cui sopra… e infatti fa schifo comunque, perché i compromessi sono sempre un po’ così. Ma purtroppo, se un giorno sono gatto e l’altro ragno, questo è il massimo a cui posso aspirare…
Mahmoud Khalil: US judge denies release of detained Palestinian activist
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Mahmoud Khalil: US judge denies release of detained Palestinian activist
Setback for former student held since March as lawyers condemn government’s ‘cruel, transparent delay tactics’Sam Levin (The Guardian)
Kennedy’s HHS Sent Congress ‘Junk Science’ To Defend Vaccine Changes, Experts Say
Kennedy’s HHS Sent Congress ‘Junk Science’ To Defend Vaccine Changes, Experts Say - KFF Health News
A look inside the Department of Health and Human Services document citing vaccine misinformation that could influence congressional perceptions.KFF Health News
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A new way to help some college students: Zero percent, no-fee loans
A new way to help some college students: Zero percent, no-fee loans
The pay-it-forward approach to covering the cost of college stretches the return on financial aid and can help fill shortages of workers in critical industries.Jon Marcus (The Hechinger Report)
Stretham nature reserve marks 30 years with lapwing number boost
A wetland habitat which was "almost exclusively a birder reserve" until the Covid-19 pandemic is marking its 30th anniversary.
Kingfishers Bridge, a 300-acre (121-hectare) reserve between Wicken and Stretham, Cambridgeshire, went from having 2,000 visitors a year to 21,000 in 2023.
The dog-friendly reserve now has a car park, cafe, visitor centre and shop, as well as offering regular visitor tours of its rare habitats.
Stretham nature reserve marks 30 years with lapwing number boost
The farm is transformed into a home for 210 different bird species after becoming a reserve.Katy Prickett (BBC News)
Pichetto Fratin: «L’Italia nell’Alleanza per il nucleare dal prossimo mese »
Pichetto Fratin: «L’Italia nell’Alleanza per il nucleare dal prossimo mese»
A chiudere la terza e ultima giornata di “Pianeta 2030”-il Festival è stato il ministro dell’Ambiente e della Sicurezza energetica in dialogo con Daniele Manca.Maria Elena Viggiano (Corriere della Sera)
Harvard releases Institutional Books 1.0, a dataset for AI researchers with 242B tokens, from 394M scanned pages and 983K public domain books in 254 languages
Institutional Books | Institutional Data Initiative
Institutional Books 1.0 is our first release of public domain books. This set was originally digitized through Harvard Library’s participation in the Google Books project..www.institutionaldatainitiative.org
Beirut – The Rip Tide (2011)
The Rip Tide è il terzo album in studio delgruppo indie folk statunitense Beirut, pubblicato il 30 agosto 2011.
L'album ha debuttato al numero 88 della Billboard 200, e ha raggiunto il picco al numero 80 un mese dopo. L'album ha venduto 93.000 copie negli Stati Uniti ad agosto 2015. L'album ha ricevuto per lo più recensioni positive... Leggi e aascolta...
Beirut – The Rip Tide (2011)
The Rip Tide è il terzo album in studio delgruppo indie folk statunitense Beirut, pubblicato il 30 agosto 2011. L'album ha debuttato al numero 88 della Billboard 200, e ha raggiunto il picco al numero 80 un mese dopo. L'album ha venduto 93.000 copie negli Stati Uniti ad agosto 2015. L'album ha ricevuto per lo più recensioni positive. Zach Condon dei Beirut decise di scrivere l'album dopo un tour difficile in Brasile, dove subì una perforazione al timpano e fu coinvolto in un'invasione di palco. A differenza dei precedenti album dei Beirut, The Rip Tide rifletteva maggiormente su luoghi più vicini a casa; ad esempio, la canzone “Santa Fe” era un omaggio alla città natale di Condon. Condon rifletté su questo, dicendo: “La cosa del vagabondo – quella era una fantasia adolescenziale che ho vissuto in grande stile. La musica, per me, era evasione. E ora sto facendo tutto l'opposto [di ciò] nella mia vita. Sono sposato. Ho una casa. Ho un cane. Quindi sembrava ridicolo, la narrazione di ciò che avrebbe dovuto essere la mia carriera, rispetto a ciò che stavo effettivamente cercando di realizzare nella mia vita.” Influenzato dalla registrazione di For Emma, Forever Ago, Condon scrisse The Rip Tide mentre trascorreva sei mesi in isolamento in una baita invernale a Bethel, New York. A differenza dei precedenti album dei Beirut, la musica fu registrata da una band che suonava insieme invece di registrare singole tracce una alla volta. Tuttavia, i testi furono aggiunti da Condon solo dopo che tutta la musica era stata registrata.
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There’s a good reason they’re not gonna pick that fight with North Korea.
Hopefully you mean the fact that China would not allow it which is also why North Korea exists in the first place. Because it absolutely isn't North Korea's nuclear capability.
Israel went a little overkill if they were just trying to give a warning shot to Iran to pressure negotiations. They wiped out multiple levels of leadership, nuclear sites, missile sites. This is not a warning, it's the opening salvo of a full on existential total war.
Trump knows there's no "deal". It's bullshit. Holden Bloodfeast's quest is the quest of all DC. This is a project decades in the making. Syria was destroyed for this. Get the correct perspective. This isn't about Trump or "deals" this is about the imperialist project to destroy all opposition to the entity.
They wiped out multiple levels of leadership, nuclear sites, missile sites. This is not a warning, it’s the opening salvo of a full on existential total war.
Yes to military leadership - at least two high-ranking military leaders are known to have been killed in this strike so far and probably more will be announced soon - and maybe to the missile sites. But not so much to the nuclear sites: experts say damage there is limited.
Damage to Iran’s nuclear sites so far appears limited, experts say
Satellite imagery does not yet show significant damage to Iran's nuclear infrastructure, they say. Read more at straitstimes.com.The Straits Times
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The Great Reset: The far right’s detailed plan to dismantle the EU
The Great Reset: The far right’s detailed plan to dismantle the EU
An initiative by Hungarian and Polish think tanks has secured the support of Spain’s Vox and other populist forces for a detailed program to liquidate the European institutionsÁngel Munárriz (Ediciones EL PAÍS S.L.)
The original members. The far right doesn't want to associate with "those" other countries, but they love feeling elite, what's better than remaking it with just the richest countries?
It will then evolve naturally just like it already did.
Nazione Indiana: i 12 ebook selezionati nel concorso per onorare l’ottantesimo anniversario della Liberazione italiana dal nazifascismo
gli EBOOK di NI: i racconti di STAFFETTA PARTIGIANA
di Redazione Abbiamo deciso di raccogliere in un EBOOK i 12 racconti selzionati del concorso STAFFETTA PARTIGIANA , per celebrare l’avvenimento e per rendere più fruibili tutti i materiali. D…NAZIONE INDIANA
Iran penetrates Israel with drones after five waves of missile strikes pummel occupied territories
Iran penetrates Israel with drones after five waves of missile strikes pummel occupied territories
TEHRAN - Iran’s Army confirmed that several Arash kamikaze drones successfully penetrated the occupied territories and struck their targets, following at least five rounds of ballistic missile attacks that rained down on Israeli sites across occupied…Tehran Times
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AI adoption stalls as inferencing costs confound cloud users
Enterprise AI adoption stalls as inferencing costs confound cloud customers
: Please insert another million dollars to continueDan Robinson (The Register)
Must fight temptation to buy an overpriced raspberry pi
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Yeah, my pi sips energy very sparingly. Even an old laptop is going to be drawing more just to power itself, never mind what I run on it.
That said, pis are a poor value proposition nowadays and there are better options for the same use case
What are the better options?
Pis have great software support so for GPIO experimentation it's so useful.
There is quite a range of devices out there now with varying capabilites. Things like the Onion Omega2+, Oranage Pi, and more.
Raspberry Pi also remains good. While the Pi5 is expensive and more powerful - raspberry pi also makes the Pi Zero boards which are cheaper less capable boards which are closer to what the original raspberry Pi was but newer hardware.
I'd say the Pi5 is a heading more towards a full PC like device (hence the comparisons to cost and capability minipcs pepple are making in thia thread). But there remain plenty of lower spec machines out there now similar to the original cheap Raspberry Pi concept. And we've had high inflation recently - to some extent the cost perception avtually reflects money being worth less than it was and buying less for $10 or $20.
Not the person you're asking but personally I use Jetson nano for some work stuff (and when I upgrade the "old" one is mine), odroid I've used for some misc creations and testing, and I'm personally looking forward to trying the radxa x4 as an htpc.
What I am really excited about right now is tossing my recently acquired spare jetson nano on a drone, right now I'm setting it up to walk around with it and test CV before it gets mounted up on the drone.
Not super familiar with the gpio side of things, and I also haven't dug that deep into the space lately since I already own my rpi and it works for me so take all this with a pinch of salt, but I found some options that seem reasonable
- Libre Computer Le Potato
- Orange Pi Zero 2
- Radxa Zero
- NanoPi R2S
- Banana Pi M2 Zero
It's been a while but I remember Orange Pi having terrible support? I haven't heard of the others.
Whereas the RPi has the amazing compute module if you need it too.
Sometimes paying more is better.
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If you have the lid closed, you're looking at 3 to 15 watts to have a laptop running in the background doing some basic server shit.
Maybe a little more under high load, but those are going to be intermittent and not constant.
I'm just saying it's not that much more electricity usage, and the recycling more than offsets the CO2.
If you have the lid closed, you’re looking at 3 to 15 watts to have a laptop running in the background doing some basic server shit.
Not all laptops make effective use of power with the lid closed, sadly. Not saying this as a correction, but for others to know that they need to make sure these settings are available in the bios of the system they are buying.
And you are often paying 140-200 for a pi nowadays to make it have the same usability as a laptop (pi, power supply, sata hat, data drive because SD cards simply fail after a while under server IO) while you can get cheap used laptops for 0-100.
So unless you are running it for more than half a decade (which rarely happens with selfhosters for a main server), you are probably spending more in total on the pi.
I think SD card failure rates are way overblown if you're buying from reputable manufacturers (Sandisk, Samsung). I'm sure they do occasionally fail, but I've never experienced one.
You're right, for really intensive tasks the costs can climb, but I see people asking for ideas for what to do with a junk laptop and the top suggestion is always something like pi-hole or a bookmark manager that could run on a potato.
Like with most things in life, it depends.
I used to think so too, but my pi-hole just died the other week after four years of uptime. Couldn't work it out, finally pulled the SD card out to reinstall the OS and found my laptop wouldn't recognise it.
Made me glad I don't run my mailserver on a Pi anymore!
Laptops are not generally designed to run like that with a closed lid. Heat dissipation is designed around the idea the laptop is open and some of it is through the keyboard surface. The lid closed would change that.
Systems can of course be setup to power off the display but for server/service uses open laptops may not be efficient space wise.
Having said that if the scenario is low power use the heat dissipation may not be a major issue. But if there is an unremovable battery i'd still be concerned about heat dissipation with the lid closed and even just the battery itself regardless of heat dissipiation.
Not quite. Unless the system has pretty advanced power management and is using very recent technology with high density, it's unlikely that an x64 chipset will use less power than a comparably powered arm64 chipset. Not just the processor, but the smaller board is actually a power saver and allows it to generate less heat meaning both less power wasted and dissipated as heat as well as less power needed for fans to properly dissipate the heat. I've never seen a laptop use 3W at idle when considering the whole device, maybe just the CPU, but not if you include the rest of the components like RAM and disks and power supply. And especially true in a laptop that is old enough that it's being recycled. Heck, the power supply and charger alone might be using 3W at idle with full battery.
With a raspberry pi 4, the typical power usage for the 2GB RAM model is 5W under load for the whole device and about half that for idle. Add a couple of watts for the extra memory and wider bus on the 8GB model and other things can add to that, but that's mostly accurate. The pi 5 is a little more and the 3 is a little less. Of course, the efficiency of the laptop at full load might end up being better than a comparable number of raspberry pis it would take to do the same amount if work, but comparing a single pi or any other reputable arm-based, single board computer to a single laptop at idle is always going to be that way.
Battery charging circuits don't operate continuously when the device is charged. Pi also still needs a PSU, typically a phone charger, and for a server application would need an SSD or HDD in most cases. SD cards have lower performance, write endurance, and capacity after all. A single raspberry pi couldn't match even a somewhat old laptop in performance. In terms of actual efficiency (performance per watt) Pis don't do that well as they are using cheap processors made using old core designs and even older process nodes. Even the latest Pi 5 uses a 16nm process node with a core design from 2018. A 10 year old laptop might have 14nm process node which would be better. This means that a laptop would have more performance, so even if it had more power consumption at peak it could still end up with significantly better performance per watt, and that extra performance allows it to idle more often as it spends less time processing requests.
Of course the ultimate in performance per watt is always going to be a modern high power server or an Apple Silicon device. Mini PCs can also do well for home use, and are much lower power so better suited to less demanding usage, and have the best performance per watt for consumer devices. The M4 Mac Mini for example is pretty much best in class in performance per watt, and low power consumption at the same time.
Battery circuits come on enough to be a load that needs to be considered and will show up if you measure load on the device vs load consumed by the components connected to the power supply. In terms of low power devices, it is significant, though not the primary concern. But compared to the pi PSU, the charger not to mention the battery and internal PSU of a laptop, consume way more power and produce way more heat.
All of the rest assumes needing always on, heavy load processing which isn't what the post I replied to was talking about. I was specifically replying to idle power load. And in my case, even with a bunch of self hosted applications, most of the time my servers are idling. If I was running a virtualization farm or something that was always under heavy load, then yes, as I mentioned, a single board server isn't ideal.
As for disks, I don't use SSDs on my pis except one that actually does a lot of local data processing. Everything else runs in memory and stores persistent data on my NAS, including logging. Virtual memory/swap is disabled on all and things that need temporary storage/cache of small amounts of data is cached on RAM disks where applications can't be configured to not use disk caching. The only need for the SD card is for boot and some minimal IO needed for local OS operation. I have a Raspberry Pi 3 B i got about 8 or 9 years or so ago with the same SD card in it.
They aren't what I use as a database server, obviously, but they are extremely low power compared to what an old laptop would need and work great for things like pihole, and other network applications as well as being a part if my home kubernetes cluster and run the majority of the cluster's processes on demand.
Another machine I use , is with a i7 4770 with 16GB for Proxmox, 7-20w , peak is much higher but rarely used , only on boot and vm startup.
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Haven't heard of kjiji, I'll have to check it out.
It's essentially Craigslist, but in Canada.
Craigslist doesn't really have a user base here.
'Gaming laptop, only used occasionally. Been sitting around for a while because my kid's got a new hobby. £1,200 no offers. I know what I've got'
The pictured laptop has a Centrino sticker on it and looks like it's been used to dig a garden
We have bins around our city for people to drop electronics off for recycling. I’ve taken a few laptops from there. You’re not supposed to, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
One I gave to my buddy who needed something just for emails and web browsing and whatnot, one is running a server, and a couple more went back in to the bin because they were actually broken, but I took the hard drives for the server machine. I have one on a self ready in case the server machine dies so I haven’t gone looking for any new ones in a while.
raspberries were viable while those were cheap. I think I got a 3b (plus?) in pre-deficit years for like $25 second-hand AND I got some shitty case AND a microSD card AND it could run off of a somewhat normal USB phone charger. so using those instead of a 10 year old decommissioned desktop was an awesome value proposition.
nowadays, those devices are encroaching on trip-digits territory and the power adapter is like $30. the computing power you can buy for a third of that designates raspberries exclusively for niche use cases where footprint and power consumption are primary considerations.
not to mention fake Jason Statham just rubs me the wrong way, like all them "visionaries". he makes this sound like he's the head of Feed Africa or something, on a noble mission to save humanity and whatnot.
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I think 5W probably can't be achieved, maybe with chromebook-like hardware, but I guess GPIO could be solved with a USB accessory
in my opinion the bigger problem is the fire hazard of an unsupervised charger. I have seen enough that runs super hot, and even if it doesn't, I just can't trust them.
I'm in an apartment building, so I just browse the one here whenever I take the trash out. I don't think anyone has noticed, or they've elected to mind their own business if they have.
There's so much stuff that could still be used that it honestly isn't funny, and that's just in my own bin. How much more is being wasted across the country? But at least it's in the recycling and not the trash, so that's something, I guess.
Pretty sure you are sol with the 5w though 😊
Mini PC with N200 and NVMe SSD uses around 7W when idling.
For a minimally higher power consumption you can have up to 32 GB of memory, more powerful CPU, and decent GPU for video transcoding purposes.
Here too. Free 2012 Mac Mini that's been servering away for a couple of years already 24/7 on UPS power. Gets a deserved smile every time I look at it 😀
I'm looking at replacing my 2018 desktop machine (a Thinkcentre Tiny) soon with one of the new AMD 395 mini-pcs. When that happens, the Mac Mini will be retired...
I do SMB support, so I have a pretty good idea of what people tend to do.
I haven't seen a PS brick catch fire (possible, OFC, but extremely rare in my opinion) i have seen a PC PSU catch fire, and because of the fan, it's fucking scsry, like a jet with the afterburner.
I would assume that landfill laptop manufacturers are trying to minimize costs even harder on the charger.
but what timeframe do you mean with "anymore"? laptops made in this decade, or the last 10 years, or something else? there's plenty of old laptops that fitinto OPs category.
I have heard less about phone chargers failing catastrophically. They also handle much less power (except the fancy ones), and I haven't seen a hot phone charger adapter yet, but plenty laptop chargers of which some were just very warm, and some so hot just on its outsides that it was uncomfortable to hold it in hand.
this is why I'm more worried about laptop chargers
This is, in my mind, one of the benefits of laptops over micro computers: integrated UPS. Even an old, degraded battery will probably get you a couple of hours with the screen off.
IME, power consumption is going to be worse overall, for any laptop likely to be in the recycle bin, it's probably double the consumption of an ARM SBC. The integrated UPS and usually decent power conditioning of the power supply saves you more money with a laptop. Plus, keyboard and screen for emergencies - I just generally expect that, over there life of a micro I'm going to have to drag out and plug in a spare keyboard, mouse, and monitor because something in a device, or an upgrade, or BIOS flash, is preventing a boot.
There are a lot of good reasons to use laptops instead of SBCs, if you don't mind the extra power draw and (as she says) don't have size requirements.
No, I didn't. I don't use Pis, I have ODroids. Heck, they may sell batteries for ODroids, too.
For me, it wouldn't have made much difference because I have UPSes around the house serving things like routers, modems, and switches. And I do care about size and energy use. I'm only saying there are advantages to using laptops.
You can get little integrated LCD cases for Pis too, can't you? And maybe even a little fold-out keyboard. Congratulations! You've re-invented the laptop!
Not simple to remove. They can all be taken out.
But the fire risk is a very valid point. All laptops should indicate they should not be left alone when charging. While many do. Setting one up in a unobserved location to run permanently should be batteryless or Lifepo4 adapted. So laptops may not be best suited to this environment. A used thin client or other DC input option may be much easier. Or an old desktop if batts and not wanted.
I had read about it on another thread, which was about using old smartphones as servers (they used Termux).
Those old lithium batteries, although sometimes seemingly healthy, can catch fire any time. Having them connected to the charger 24/7 is only making matters worse.
I wouldn't trust the battery of old devices. I would probably buy a used UPS (without battery) and slap a new battery to it. This would cost more, but it would allow me to also connect other important devices to it - like the router and some lights.
Low power and arm architecture are big differentiators between Pi and laptops.
I totally agree recycle laptops where possible, but they're generally noisier and less energy efficient plus the battery degrades over time and is a fire risk.
They're not necessairly a good fit for always-on server or service type uses comparef to a small board like Raspberry Pi. But a cheap or free second hand laptop is definitely good for tweaking, testing and trying our projects.
Laptops and gaming laptops deserve way more respect than they get.
I think a lot of people are miserable because so much of their life is tied to a desktop.
reasons to use raspberry pi: energy consumption, reliability, noise, software support, performance, an ethernet port/a way faster ethernet port, availability, faster pcie/storage, io
reasons to use laptop ewaste: saving 30 usd once
Right? I made the realization a while ago that refurbished mini PCs are a way better fit for most of my homelab needs.
Sure, if power consumption is your #1 priority then you'd want some ARM solution. But for my use cases, I've found myself fighting with software support and the relatively low computational power of even the newer RPis.
Also, T-series Intel chips (the low power ones) have pretty good idle power consumption and don't spin up the fan too much given their lower power. And a lot of uses cases require sticking a fan and heat sinks on an RPi so you lose the quietness benefit.
Also also, you (still?) need proprietary blobs to use a bunch of the hardware on RPis. You can go full open source on a regular old PC.
Add use of gpio to reasons to use pie.
While gpio adaptors are available for pc. The software architecture is not as well rounded and documented.
So for any complex hardware project development. Gpio based SBCs are often essential.
So space, low power and gpio development.
Otherwise yep old laptop or even desktop can be cheaper and more able.
But overall. The wide software support and documentation for hardware connectivity is a bloody good reason to keep pie supported.
I'm setting 2 up to control the hot water and solar dump system on my shared little boat. As I want to link 12v Lifepo4 batt charging with the solar dump and visually impaired control for AC and diesel heating of the water.
Pies really are the best option to play with. While low power and easy to design a unique low vision interface.
Also UK boat safty. Is issuing warning about permanently connected li ion batts on boats. So it is likely setting up a laptop to manage this while not on the boat. Will be banned in the near future.
Only an issue for UK boating but worth considering the risks of leaving laptops to run when not observed.
Yep that can work. But ignores all the well documented and supported development community comments I pointed to while also indicating other options exist.
As for.
Turning some switches on and off while monitoring input values doesn’t sound very computationally intensive.
You realise IO wise that describes your keyboard and mouse interaction on the most powerful gaming PCs.
It's what you do with the results that matters.
GPIO supports a fair bit more then the on and off input and output. It's slow compared to other systems. But has multiple serial protocols of differing types. Simple GUI displays can also be run via gpio connections. Low Res Lidar devices are available connected via the spi connections with all the data processed on that host PC.
So no gpio use can require all levels of processing power post connection. It is after all designed for experimentation and prototyping.
For my project. You clost to correct. I just use a simple GUI displays with xorg. So a pie 0 is plenty. And way lower power then the other options. It links to a pwm controller to power 2 12v 200w water tank heaters a relay for a 750w AC heater. Bluetooth connection to a BMS and solar MPPT. While operating multiple temp sensors measuring at different levels. And warning of legionaries risk. If the tank has not been over 65c in 14 days (actually 10 days but I'm over careful given the health status of my brother and I).
So much less then the tiny Pie 0 would not be able to cope but mainly due to the need for the vision impaired interface. Speaking functions dose not take much. But doing so without being unusably slow is about the limit of a pie 0.
ATM the boat is being rebuilt inside. Replacing everything.
So the system is in bits. Hidden in the engine bay.
I have old pics of the boat before we regilt all the electrics etc. if it's the shape etc your interested in.
If your a Brit who knows the canals. Think small sprinter but with a flat hull. It's not actually a springer but same steel standards etc.
I mostly agree, and did the same with my second gen lab build - instead of shiny new NUCs like I had used round 1, I bought old off lease Dell Xeon boxes. SO MANY PROS -
* Got them up to 14c/28t each
* They can take GPUs and actually do heavy transcoding/ML work
* They can take up to like, 128GB of memory, which is GREAT when they're all hypervisors
The downsides can't be denied though -
* Even without the GPUs and beefed up CPUs, they are power hogs - the CPU alone uses more than an ENTIRE NUC
* They run HOT
* They run LOUD
The same holds true for off-lease SFF stuff, Lenovo and the likes ...
So while reuse/repurpose is absolutely of the utmost importance, no question - when it comes to technology and how quickly it advances and miniaturizes, a thorough and logical pros/cons list is often required.
I'd add another option though - if you do need what a Pi brings to the table - do you really need a shiny new Pi 5? Is it possible a used Pi 3 or Pi 4 would do the trick, and check the reuse box?
I dislike posts like this. Technology moves quickly. PIs are great for hobby electronics where you need a little computer. Want a cheap computer to run a few things 24/7 and know what you're doing? Pi it is. You don't need to run containers on a pi because you have the skills to install the dependencies manually. They cost pennies to run 24/7.
I think of pis as beefed-up calculators. I have made lots of money using a pi zero running code I needed to run 24/7. Code I developed myself.
Having an old laptop with outdated parts taking up lots of space, weighing a lot, and having components like fans, keyboard, and mousepad most-likely soon dying and needing replacing is an additional concern you don't want.
Someone below saying use an old laptop if you're living with parents and don't pay the electricity bill is a bit lame. Do your part for the world. Someone will be paying for it.
Ultimately, use what you want but if you're just starting with servers, use a virtual machine on your computer and log in to it. You can dick about with it as much as you want, and reset back to a working state in seconds.
I think this really depends on the model they're eyeballing because the Pi5 is frankly ridiculous for the price and has absurd power requirements (5V5A USB?). I wouldn't recommend one of these unless you have a specific need like a certain hat or the GPIO pins. You can get a Dell micro Optiplex for less money and have a full fledged i5 or i7 processor with similar power usage.
Plus the RPi Foundation exposed themselves as the greedy bastards they are during COVID which is yet another reason to turn your back on them.
For something like a Pi Zero, maybe go for it, but there are similar devices out there from other companies too.
You can get a Dell micro Optiplex for less money and have a full fledged i5 or i7 processor with similar power usage.
Absolutely, I've got a cluster of mini PCs with 7th/8th gen T sku i7s, plus an Optiplex SFF running a standard i7-7700, and everything together draws less than 100W on average.
I picked up a used 2018 Fujitsu office PC with an i5-7500 for $60 (from a physical recycle shop, with a 14 day warranty) and it draws 15W idle. Way better value than a Pi (once you've added case, cooling, PSU etc) for running home server stuff.
A Pi still kills for "Arduino plus plus" use cases where you need the size, GPIO or can optimize the heck out of power usage on a battery.
Yeah, theres a lot of old old laptops which make no sense to run. But there's a growing crop of more recent used devices that are only being sold off because they don't support Windows 11, and the power efficiency story changes there. The OOP mentions "8.1 lappies"; my main laptop has a 15W 8th gen which is only in the last year starting to feel less appropriate for desktop use. (And honestly, a RAM and storage bump will probably get me another couple years.)
For environmental concerns, youve got to tax new devices with manufacturing costs as well.
100% agree about VMs though.
Laptops don't even use that much power. You guys are really not into home labbing or as good with tech as you think you are lol. Lots of people run older real servers and desktops as home servers. They use way more power than laptops. Raspberry Pis sound good but use progressively more power in each generation, and still struggle to compete with mini PCs and even older laptops in performance. They also never had good performance per watt. In performance per watt basically nothing beats a Mac Mini, though other mini PCs are also good. Laptops aren't bad in energy efficiency either. They are literally designed to run on battery so have as little idle draw as possible. They would be comparable to a mini PC if you turn off the display.
Edit: Modern RPis apparently use 25W, which is firmly in the territory of what a laptop would use when not running the screen or charging the battery.
Pi's are ARM-based, which still to this day limits the scope of their applicability.
Also, you should absolutely inspect a laptop before buying. Many, if not most, of old laptops will run just fine for the next few years.
Pi’s are ARM-based, which still to this day limits the scope of their applicability.
Untrue.
Also, you should absolutely inspect a laptop before buying. Many, if not most, of old laptops will run just fine for the next few years.
Until the battery needs replacing, costing more than a pi, one key on the keyboard dies, etc.
Untrue
Which part?
Until the battery needs replacing, costing more than a pi, one key on the keyboard dies, etc.
Do you need any of that? You can remove the battery and keep it plugged, and use it as a server to which you connect over SSH, with an added benefit of having local access if you actually need it.
Power consumption is a massive reason to really not do that. Its cheap for a reason, its takes a shitload of power to be shit and you will pay more in energy than you save in hardware unless its only powered on for short periods of time - a server typically isn't.
This is actually something that applies to cheap products too. Was in Asda a little while ago and saw 2 LED bulbs with the same lumen rating. Cheaper one used 3w more and you only saved £1. Running it for 8 hours a day for a year would cost double that saving in electricity. For a server you are looking at almost £2 per watt each year. Does that ewaste look so good to you now?
Some things are absolutely worth getting second hand, but you really should be careful considering the power cost as well.
Quick edit: If you don't need it running 24/7, consider something like AWS too. I love selfhosting but if its not running much it might be cheaper to not bother buying hardware.
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There's lots of ways to make existing hardware more efficient at the cost of performance. Under-volting the CPU and RAM (or just putting them in "efficiency" mode) can probably save more electricity than you lose in generational improvements. Considering how much more powerful PCs are compared to SBCs, you'd probably still have better performance than an SBC. Also, a more powerful CPU that takes double the power but as a result can idle for more than 50% of the time would be more efficient than a less powerful CPU never idling.
There's a lot of other variables (like idle power draw, efficiency at various power levels, idle latency, etc), but in general I think your statement would be inaccurate at least 60% of the time.
Bro please. I understand you can host very small stuff on less powerful Pis. I used to host some stuff on a Raspberry Pi model b myself. Stop tooting your own horn. You couldn't however host all the stuff I use or even most home labbers use on a Pi zero with modern software. I doubt it could run Jellyfin, an *arr stack, ollama, nextcloud, etc all at the same time. Probably you would also have to drop using containers which would be less secure and easy to deploy.
What's the performance per watt of a Pi Zero anyway? I am sure it's low power draw but I doubt it's actually efficient.
See here's the thing. Why would anyone want to host ALL the stuff on one pi? That is not what they were designed for. Ollama on a pi? Are you out of your mind? I'd run the biggest model I can on a modern gpu not some crappy old computer or pi....Right tool, right job. And why is dropping containers "less secure"? Do you mean "less cool"? Less easy to deploy? But you're not deploying it, you're installing it. You sound like a complete newb which is fine, but just take a step back from things and get some more experience. A pi is a tool for a purpose, not the end all. Using an old laptop is not going to save the world and arguing that it's just better than a pi (or similar alternative) is just dumb. Use a laptop for all I care, I'm not the boss of you.
As for an arr stack, I'm really disappointed with the software and don't use it and those who do have way too much time to set it up, and then make use of it!
Aren't laptops typically very energy efficient? Low consumption converts to high battery life, which is a priority for laptop hardware.
Some of them consume less than 10W.
Are you living on a space station? What is this shitload of power? A whole 60 watts? Are you rationing AA batteries to run your household?
What is it with the bullshit fanciful rationalizations people come up with to consume consume consume?
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Are you living on a space station? What is this shitload of power?
Some of us live off-grid and make every Watt-hour we consume. So it may be that one man's fanciful bullshit is another man's daily life. For context, this is my 2,461st day offgrid.
A whole 60 watts?
Over the last 30 days I've averaged 2.01kWh/day, or an average constant consumption of 84w. All in. And that's on the high end for folks in similar use cases. In this scenario adding in another 60w would be significant (ie, impossible for my rig during winter months).
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60w is like £120 a year, these costs add up to the point that low spec servers pretty much always cost more in energy than hardware. Of course it also depends on where you live and your energy rates.
You could buy a 20 year old server that is going to use 800w, or you could buy a mini PC that is probably more powerful and uses like 10-20w.
Then again, I used to live somewhere that energy was included in the rent so short of starting a bitcoin farm usage wouldn't really get noticed too much. In that case it would make sense to just go cheap hardware.
I'm glad I don't have these addictions people seem to have. "I need a computer to measure how much water my toilet uses!" "I need a computer in my refrigerator!" etc
We've passed the useful stage of computing, we are now in the "personal issues" phase.
This is generally not true. If you are using your laptop as a home server chances are it's going to be idling 99% of the time and laptops are generally pretty good in terms of idle power draw if you manage to disable the screen (or just disconnect it, take it off and find a way to repurpose it)
And in terms of environmental impact saving a laptop from landfill is definitely better since the majority of a computers impact is from the co2 emmissions from the manufacturing process. And this isn't taking into account the likely ethical considerations such as supporting terrible mining practices for resources like cobalt.
At $0.30/kwh (a very high price for electricity) you would save 5 dollars per year on electricity.
This laptop trades blows with the rasperry pi and costs half the price (55$ aud vs over 200$ aud for a brand new pi 5)
Even this second hand one costs 110$ aud which is twice the cost. With that cost of electricity it would take 11 years in order to break even.
And that's only if you consider monetary cost and not environmental cost.
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Power consumption is a massive reason to really not do that. Its cheap for a reason, its takes a shitload of power to be shit and you will pay more in energy than you save in hardware unless its only powered on for short periods of time
Ewaste computers actually tend to be on par if not better than an RPi in power consumption these days. It might feel like a RPi should be more efficient given the size and USB power connector, but modern Pis consume a solid 10-20w while in use which is more or similar to most miniPCs (they idle at single digit watts now and can "race to sleep" more effectively than a Pi) while costing about the same and the Pi is far less upgradeable
A good "rule of thumb" to remember: if your electricity rates average (somewhere near) $0.11/kWh you can take the average power draw of a device in watts and that is equal to what it will cost to run that device 24-7 for 365 days.
So, if that cheap PC draws 50W more than an alternate solution, it's costing you $50 more per year to use it.
Some tasks are beyond any RasPi, but it's well worth evaluating if something like an N100 fanless mini-PC can handle it instead of loading up some Core i7 rig that's going to cost more to run in the first year than the N100 costs to buy.
And then you see people have steam decks that just sit there, unused, gathering dust.... fuck.
Consider buying used hardware from an office. Lots of places sell used gear for dirt cheap. A used office desktop with a used GPU from the last 3 years or so would be a massive upgrade without spending much.
Steam Deck is still a good deal for what it is though, but I wouldn't use it as a primary workstation.
Laptop for this purpose, you have to slightly over build your solar but can be nice to have a mouse and keyboard attached and monitor, ssh works. Still have an hp laptop with a core i5 2nd gen sitting out in my greenhouse, is a little more power hungry but not terrible on idle, and is nice to be able to configure changes to watering without going back inside or wrecking the zen by bringing phone.
but, fwiw: I mostly use RPi for my purposes, up to RPi4; RPi 5 I think missed the mark, with its active cooling requirement and power use. (and price...) the only use case where an i86 alternative is justified is my jellyfin setup (where realtime transcoding is needed).
As a Pi Hole, the Pi 5 doesn't require active cooling.
Now, I am running a separate Pi 5 with a HAILO 8 for Frigate monitoring of a bunch of video streams, and it does need a little air movement, so I built a box with a 200mm fan pulling through a filter and I just threw all my Pis in there along with the Frigate rig so they stay nice and cool... I'm thinking that I should probably switch Frigate over to a Pi 4 for the h.264 hardware decoder, but the 5 is working fine for my needs and endless tweaking gets boring...
It's impressive what a gentle breeze will do - if you can get a fan on your cabinet it will help a lot.
I filter my air and positive pressure the cabinet so the dust doesn't build up (as fast).
Hostname: pihole
CPU: 0.2% on 4 cores running 318 processes (0.3% used by FTL)
RAM: 25.9% of 2.0 GB is used (7.4% used by FTL)
Swap: 35.9% of 512.0 MB is used
Kernel: Linux pihole 6.12.25+rpt-rpi-2712 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 1:6.12.25-1+rpt1 (2025-04-30) aarch64
Uptime: a month (running since Sunday, May 18th 2025, 17:54:59
For me it's not about the bandwidth, it's about the lag and reliability. I have had strong WiFi connections flake out a lot more than wired connections.
Also, I just prefer to not have 100+ WiFi devices kicking around my network when more than half of them could be wired, or on another protocol like Zigbee.
Also, Raspberry Pi first got popular because of the size and cost. Now it's popular because it's popular. Not hating on them, I think they're cool, but they're not cheap any more. Especially with the scalping.
Getting x86_64 based systems is going to mean much less headache. Unless you truly truly need the size I wouldn't consider getting a Pi or other SBC. Just go to literally any used marketplace (Facebook, Craigslist, etc) and get anything.
but they're not cheap any more
People say this, but they really are still cheap.
The original Raspberry Pi Model B launched for £22 in 2012. The entry level Raspberry Pi 5 is £46, but adjusted for inflation that's only £32 in 2012 money. So only £10 more expensive in real terms.
Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W is only £14.40, which is only £10 in 2012 money. Compare this to the original Raspberry Pi Model A, which launched for £16.
People look at the headline cost of the high end RPi 5s (£115 for the 16GB model, £76 for the 8GB), but fail to recognise that there was nothing comparable to these in the Raspberry Pi lineup before, and these are not the only models in the Raspberry Pi lineup now.
Sure, but the specs aren't directly comparable.
They also still manufacture the RPi 4, which starts at £33- which is £23 in 2012 money.
Inflation adjustment doesn't really tell the whole story though, it's not like salaries have gone up by the same amount. Regardless, I don't like dealing with the Zero unless I specifically need something that tiny. It's just too annoying. Don't get me wrong! They're cool! I'm just saying unless I really need a Pi Zero I wouldn't wanna work with one. I'd rather work with x86_64 than Arm. Like even just getting Java working was really tricky on Zero. Much like a microcontroller has limitations for what you can run on them but they have other benefits, Zeros aren't really general purpose.
So yeah, dirt cheap used laptop for general purpose server beats out dirt cheap Pi in my book.
There was the supply shortage price spike, they really were stupid expensive then if you supported the hoarder/scalpers.
Since that has cleared... most of the Pi price increases (in inflation adjusted dollars) can be attributed to improved features like more RAM, or people acknowledging that having a good dedicated $20 power supply is preferable to dealing with the flakiness of that old phone charger you found under the bed.
I had the accounting self hosted web app on it until I was too lazy for accounting and now I am in so called hot water and must make bunch of shit up using mathematical apparatus
But it worked really well for a year or so
Alternative. Cheap android box and coreelec.
You can have them for about 20 bucks. Have minimal power consumption. And small power factor. They also have ARM architecture.
They are good for low power applications.
Anker recalls over a million power banks due to fire and burn hazards
Anker recalls over a million power banks due to fire and burn hazards
Anker has recalled its PowerCore 10000 power bank (model A1263) due to the risk of fire and burns.Steve Dent (Engadget)
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HelloRoot
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •XPipe - Your entire server infrastructure at your fingertips
xpipe.ioIntempesta
in reply to HelloRoot • • •WebDAV
rclone.orgHelloRoot
in reply to Intempesta • • •Can rclone mount it transparently? I thought it is more like a one time copy / sync.
What I mean by that is that the remote storage should look like a normal directory to the rest of the system and any reads and writes should go over the network directly to the remote without occupying local disk space.
Also it seems to me that you have to write your credentials to the rclone config file, which I explicitly don't want.
projectmoon
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in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Every day?
rio -e 'tmux attach -t#'
). Because terminals crash, because it survives session restarts, because it lets me log in remotely and continue what I started in my desktop, and because it works over ssh and having a consistent multiplexer environment across machines is nice. I used sceen for years before discovering tmux, and have tried almost every other terminal multiplexer; and none add any significant value for me over tmux.I'm currently using Rio as my terminal. It has bugs, but it's actively developed and regularly releases will fix one more thing. It has both ligature and sixel support, and it's wildly fast and far, far less memory intensive than either kitty or ghostty, which are both pretty fat. I am not including it in "the list" because some remaining bugs are pretty big, like randomly crashing when it gets resized or sees some sequence of asci escape codes. It's not much of an issue because I run everything in tmux, and it crashes less with every release, but I hesitate to recommend it until it's more stable.
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in reply to 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍 • • •𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •That's one I don't remember, but I probably wouldn't have: the config file is in Lisp. Not only is Lisp something I never use anymore, which gives it a high cognitive load, but I don't particularly care for Lisp-like syntax.
I'm certain there are several less common WMs that I haven't tried. It'd probably be almost impossible to try every WM every written for X; it seems to be a common hobby project for folks interested in the X protocol.
I did say "almost every", but perhaps even that was exaggeration. I do think I've tried the majority, though.
My differentiator for hlwm, the killer feature, shared by only two other projects that I'm aware of, is that hlwm has no configuration file. All configuration is performed through client commands. Every command interaction that can be performed by a user input - and much that can't - can also be performed on the CLI. All (?) windowing events can also be monitored on the command line, and therefore scripted. The other two WMs that share at least some of these features are bspwm and river.
JamonBear
in reply to 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍 • • •pemptago
in reply to 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍 • • •+1 for helix. I was new to linux and TUI editors. The vim tutor was a good intro to the concept of modal editors, but needed lsp and syntax highlighting. At the time I struggled a lot with configs, so neovim was out. Helix is just a fantastic, batteries included experience. Approachable for beginners, but feature rich for novices.
Edit: typo, grammer
Jeena
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Right now jeena.github.io/recoder/ which I just released and here is why (copied from the website):
🎬 Why Recoder?
I used to edit family videos in Kdenlive without a problem — it handled footage from all our devices without complaining. But then I switched to DaVinci Resolve, and suddenly nothing worked right. My Sony Alpha 7C, my Galaxy S24, and my wife's iPhone all produced files that Resolve couldn’t handle without transcoding.
😤 Too Much Fuss, Too Many Steps
Every time I wanted to edit, I had to hunt down the right ffmpeg settings and manually run them on each video — a frustrating and repetitive task.
My typical workflow is simple: I create one folder per event on an external HDD and drop in videos from all our cameras. A script renames the files based on the date and time so I can easily sort them. But for Resolve, everything has to be transcoded to DNxHD — which only supports resolutions like 1920×1080 and 1280×720.
🔄 Vertical Videos? Extra Pain
That also meant vertical videos couldn’t work. So now, I rotate them during transcoding to preserve resolution and rotate them back in Resolve during editing.
✨ Enter Recoder
I built Recoder to automate this annoying step — so I could spend more time editing memories and less time fiddling with command-line tools.
Recoder — Batch Video Transcoding
jeena.github.ioSkavarSharraddas
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •GNU parallel, to run commands on all cores, and for its filename pattern substitution.
For example:
ls *.flac | parallel ffmpeg -i {} {.}.mp3
encodes a directory of FLAC files to MP3.parallel -a <(ls *.flac) -a <(ls *.mp3) --xapply copytags {1} {2}
then copies each FLAC file's metadata to the corresponding MP3 file (which ffmpeg already does, just to illustrate the--xapply
option).edit:
copytags
is github.com/DarwinAwardWinner/c… if that's useful for anyone.GitHub - DarwinAwardWinner/copytags
GitHubJamonBear
in reply to SkavarSharraddas • • •Parallel is great!
Alternatively your second command can be written as:
parallel "copytags {1} {2}" ::: *.flac :::+ *.mp3
.Also it is nice to exec commands on multiple devices.
Auster
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •KDE's Dolphin + Konsole's integration to Dolphin is great for seamlessly managing files with an UI and terminal hybrid.
Though closed source (overly dramatic music plays), the text editor Sublime Text works great, and at least with major version 3 (last I checked it was in version 4), it can be converted to AppImage without major issues (at worst, paths with spaces have issues).
Firejail is great for starting specific programs offline.
Newsboat is the best RSS feed reader I could find for Linux, specifically due to, with its inbuilt macros, I can set it up to open in new tabs several posts from a comically large amount of feeds.
Dolphin
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in reply to Auster • • •kurcatovium
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in reply to kurcatovium • • •Auster
in reply to Libra00 • • •You press F4 and a window within Dolphin comes up, already "cd-ed" to the current directory, the terminal working as Linux's default bash terminal:
media.ani.social/01/97/74/79/4…
Seems like a simple thing? Indeed. But it's a small detail that saves a lot of time in the long run for helping with the workflow. No need to switch back and forth between two different windows.
Everyday0764
in reply to Auster • • •is very handy when you need do do something in the terminal and you need immediate feedback.
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skrlet13
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Not Linux exclusive, but freefilesync.org/ and goaccess.io/ my beloved
Easy file sync and easy log checking
FreeFileSync
FreeFileSync.orgkaki
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Qalculate! - the ultimate desktop calculator
qalculate.github.ioNebulaNymph
in reply to kaki • • •GitHub - Qalculate/libqalculate: Qalculate! library and CLI
GitHubutopiah
in reply to NebulaNymph • • •bc
then?NebulaNymph
in reply to utopiah • • •thingsiplay
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •FreeTube, a desktop client to watch YouTube videos, without an account. Why not use a browser without an account? Well, it has a watch history, favorites and subscriptions as if you had an account - but its all "offline" account, without Google involved (besides watching their video). So it manages an account with subscriptions, without YouTube account. Plus it integrates an ad blocker and SponsorBlock, and has a few more features on its sleeve.
kdotool, a xdotool like program for KDE on Wayland. Just learned about it when setting up another application. But I will use it for independently too.
There are more, but this is what came to my mind right now.
GitHub - jinliu/kdotool: xdotool-like for KDE Wayland
GitHubklu9
in reply to thingsiplay • • •Upvoted for FreeTube.
What do you use to send YouTube links to FreeTube? Personally I'm using LibRedirect libredirect.github.io/
LibRedirect - Privacy-friendly Redirector
libredirect.github.iothingsiplay
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in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Geode-Gem
geode.kawateam.devklu9
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •KDE Connect
- kdeconnect.kde.org/
I've used it a lot just to control audio or video playing on my computer from my phone. (Sometimes when I'm sat at my computer with multiple windows and workspaces open, I even find it easier just to hit my phone's lockscreen to pause the music.)
I'm starting to use some of its other features, too. E.g. copying & pasting and sharing files between phone and computer.
There's more too I need to explore.
- community.kde.org/KDEConnect
(Unfortunately, sometimes I get a 'device unreachable' error when both devices clearly have a working connection to the same router.)
KDE Connect
KDE Connectfossilesque
in reply to klu9 • • •Showroom7561
in reply to klu9 • • •localhost443
in reply to klu9 • • •It's the best.
Being able to communicate with apple users who are still clinging on to sms with a keyboard is great. I detest typing on touchscreens.
Bluefruit
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Localsend is rad, super useful: localsend.org/
Send any file across different devices over the network. FOSS and fast. Highly recommend.
LocalSend: Share files to nearby devices
localsend.orgiturnedintoanewt
in reply to Bluefruit • • •Drew
in reply to iturnedintoanewt • • •aubertlone
in reply to Drew • • •KDE Connect also works on Mac & Windows.
Definitely should use whatever software you're comfortable with.
But I seriously cannot recommend KDE Connect highly enough. It's a great piece of software
kurcatovium
in reply to iturnedintoanewt • • •Bluefruit
in reply to iturnedintoanewt • • •Luca
in reply to Bluefruit • • •GitHub - nozwock/packet: Quick Share client for Linux
GitHubz3rOR0ne
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Espanso - A Privacy-first, Cross-platform Text Expander
espanso.orgfossilesque
in reply to z3rOR0ne • • •med
in reply to z3rOR0ne • • •I used eapanso for a few years, but kept running in to issues with it spawning hundreds of versions of itself.
I really miss it though. Would you say it has matured?
z3rOR0ne
in reply to med • • •I've used espanso for about 4, maybe 5 years and haven't encountered this issue. I even have to compile it myself because it's daemon mode uses systemd on Linux and I dont run a distro that uses systemd and had to modify the source code slightly. I do run it in managed mode, essentially invoking it from a startup script when my window manager starts up.
Long story short, what you encountered might have been related to how it integrates with the init system and you might try and run it directly from a startup script. Simple test is to just try and install the latest version and see if you have the same issue.
med
in reply to z3rOR0ne • • •Thanks for the feedback - It was a systemd issue. Something caused it to continue generating slices for espanso until the machine locked up - probably spawned with each terminal. It happened on out of date fedora install 36 (when 41 was out) with gnome on it.
Since then I've moved to a window manager for all my machines and would likely invoke it the same way - perhaps now it's time to revisit!
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in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •sshuttle
github.com/sshuttle/sshuttle
need it all the time, super minimal, easy to usw
GitHub - sshuttle/sshuttle: Transparent proxy server that works as a poor man's VPN. Forwards over ssh. Doesn't require admin. Works with Linux and MacOS. Supports DNS tunneling.
GitHubfossilesque
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Aside from ones listed here:
System Tools
Productivity Tools
Media & Entertainment
Happy to list out the self hosted stuff too if there is interest.
GitHub - winapps-org/winapps: Run Windows apps such as Microsoft Office/Adobe in Linux (Ubuntu/Fedora) and GNOME/KDE as if they were a part of the native OS, including Nautilus integration. Hard fork of github.com/Fmstrat/winapps/
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in reply to fossilesque • • •fossilesque
in reply to GFGJewbacca • • •Media & Content Management
Productivity, Documents & Task Management
Good Deeds
FreshRSS, a free, self-hostable feeds aggregator
freshrss.orgGFGJewbacca
in reply to fossilesque • • •Home | Immich
immich.appKangy
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in reply to RmDebArc_5 • • •HaraldvonBlauzahn
in reply to GFGJewbacca • • •You could give a try to running a gemini server like agate. It is text + file serving protocol similar to gopher.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini…
geminiprotocol.net/docs/faq.gm…
github.com/kr1sp1n/awesome-gem…
It is really good for organizing and distributing text, media and files like with gopher. And I think due to its simplicity, it is perfect for using it in a home or lab network.
GitHub - kr1sp1n/awesome-gemini: A collection of awesome things regarding the gemini protocol ecosystem.
GitHubmadjo
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •HaraldvonBlauzahn
in reply to madjo • • •Gemini is kinda a modernized version to the old Gopher protocol. Its purpose is to share hyper-linked text documents and files over a network - in the simplest way possible. It uses a simple markup language to create text documents with links, headings etc.
Here is a FAQ
Main differences with similar technologies are:
Practically, for example, I use it to share vacation photos with family.
Two more use cases that come first to my mind:
TCP/IP application layer protocol
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)☂️-
in reply to fossilesque • • •Gelik
in reply to fossilesque • • •Thanks, upvoting for those two.
fmstrat
in reply to fossilesque • • •I invented WinApps. nowsci.com/winapps
I had a conversation started with the org fr their takeover and they just dropped off. If anyone from there is reading this, please reach out.
fossilesque
in reply to fmstrat • • •iturnedintoanewt
in reply to fmstrat • • •Thanks... I had no idea this existed. I can now connect to the work remote desktop software with a single window perfectly integrated. This is incredibly helpful. Moreover I can now say I'm using Winapps in order to run Windows App. I guess now they can rename the remote desktop app again to Winapp to go full circle. Or maybe Winamp, just to confuse people. Or just App, to make it impossible to ever troubleshoot.
EDIT: At any rate, this works really beautifully. It's a bit of a PITA to set up if you're having the VM via virt-manager but hell if it's not as smooth as native.
corsicanguppy
in reply to fossilesque • • •As someone who worked build/rel before working OS security: if you're intentionally breaking Single Source of Truth for software state management, then you're in for a bad time. This can only delay the inevitable, but the technical debt comes at a high credit cost on top.
Building an RPM is SO trivial to do, even without some LLM feeding it to you; and maintaining an existing one or rebuilding it to suit another distro or version even more trivial. Save your sanity and avoid out-of-band 'package' managers!
harsh3466
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •For me it's Perl's rename, which of course cones in a variety of package names depending on the distro you use. In trying to find a link, I landed on this stack exchange answer that gives a great overview of how the tool works and the different packages available on different distros.
I have to bulk rename files every day, and using regex and the other features of Perl's rename makes it so much easier to do.
misterbzr
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Ed Along with rlwrap it gives me a very fast and powerful workflow.
Rlwrap It wraps around a program and gives it the ability to make use ofthe readline lib.
Screen I use it when I boot without X. Gives a very fast workflow, being able to switch between programs.
Mpv Multimedia powerhouse. Even works (pretty) well without X, with a framebuffer.
Ecasound Cli daw. Have several scripts to make a recording on the fly or to be able to jam.
GitHub - hanslub42/rlwrap: A readline wrapper
GitHubHaraldvonBlauzahn
in reply to misterbzr • • •ed (which is the more frugal, older brother of vi/vim) might indeed be a bit under-hyped. Which advantages does it have for you?
Funny thing a while ago I had a small side-project for a data collection task in my PDA - a kind of minimal database to record daily stuff. So, a PDA has limited screen space and typing speed, and I tried to make the UI with as little typing as possible. And then it dawned to me that I was essentially replicating ed's interface!
misterbzr
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •I primarily edit groff-, shell- and (small) c-files.
I like it to simply search a line make the edit and move on.
All my groff and c projects have makefiles, with 'm' being an alias for 'make'. So a simple 'w' and '!m' will do.
I use 'z' a lot to view portions of the file.
If I need to transfer a part of a file to another file I simly write that part to a temporary file and import it.
There are some situations when I open vi instead. Primarily when I have to escape a lot of characters to make the edit.
HaraldvonBlauzahn
in reply to misterbzr • • •Fun thing by the way, one can use Emacs without X, and then it is like screen - only with an editing window at the outermost shell.
And also, one can have the same space efficiency in text mode within X: Using the ratpoison or Stumpwm window managers.
misterbzr
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •I simply never tried emacs. No special reason for it.
Moved from Kate to Vim to Vi to Ed. And kept using the last two from then on.
Maybe I'll take a look at it someday.
confusedwiseman
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Logseq for notes and task tracking. It’s an open source alternative to obsidian. Life saver for tracking stuff at work.
logseq.com/
A privacy-first, open-source knowledge base
logseqserenissi
in reply to confusedwiseman • • •SplashJackson
in reply to serenissi • • •deadcatbounce
in reply to serenissi • • •I started on Logseq, because I'm a contributing open source advocate. I fully intended to stay with Logseq.
However, it seems to indent everything in the markdown including headings, bullet points and so on. When one loads a document into a markdown editor, one ends up removing all these indents before the document becomes 'valid'. They've made some other unusual design choices that mean the markdown doesn't read very well in plain text. I used Logseq for a year.
There's also a difficulty for me with getting help. For some reason Logseq help community seems to be based around the Discuss (sp?). It's not easy to read because the lines are very short as it's a messaging platform. The community is very very active though.
I eventually got frustrated with trying to debug my Markdown outside Logseq, and went looking for another vehicle.
Rather distressed, I installed Obsidian. It's been designed with a more logical approach. To link to a heading in another document, the document is linked in a Wiki-like way (if you've chosen that format) with the heading separated by a hash symbol; in Logseq you get an unintelligible UUID plus all that indenting.
There's a lot of help within the Obsidian community but some of it is locked down in medium paid-for content. However, the hundreds of Obsidian YouTube channels and videos, obsidianrocks and obsidian.md sites are very well authored. AI searches augment the rest, TBF I don't really use Google proxies anymore.
Even though I'm a personal user, it's worth it to me to buy a commercial licence to show my appreciation for the work that the two(?) developers have put in.
The plugins use the published API and are all (?) open source AFAICT.
Most of the issues I have with Obsidian are just related to my workflow. I think that there are probably plugins that will solve them.
I don't expect to be looking for another note-taking app anytime soon and it's been over a year since I started with Obsidian. Understanding templates opened my world up enormously. I haven't started data-mining in any meaningful sense yet.
Just my tuppence.
kurcatovium
in reply to confusedwiseman • • •I tried logseq to manage my notes at work and it just didn't click with me.
I ended up using QOwnNotes qownnotes.org/ which might be not as polished, but it is very easy to start with. I don't need nor want cloud/sync, and since this ones notes are plain .md files in a folder, it's easy to back up (or edit) externally when needed. I like it for what it does.
QOwnNotes
QOwnNotesconfusedwiseman
in reply to kurcatovium • • •Glad you found one that worked for you.
As far as I’m aware, Logseq also just uses .md files. I back those up regularly and I do use the cloud sync. The cloud sync lets me alternate use between my computer and my tablet for work. I could use just one device, but this was a significant advantage for me.
I also keep a separate log for personal work which I can add to via special shortcuts from my phone.
pemptago
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Great topic. I'm going to have to investigate some of these suggestions later.
Since my first pick, helix, was already mentioned here and i commented on it, I'll add gitui. Git can be very overwhelming for me. Gitui arranges frequently used git commands in a sensible, visual layout and makes it easy for me to understand and interact with git.
GitHub - gitui-org/gitui: Blazing 💥 fast terminal-ui for git written in rust 🦀
GitHubHaraldvonBlauzahn
in reply to pemptago • • •Introduction - Steve's Jujutsu Tutorial
steveklabnik.github.iopemptago
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •/home/pineapplelover
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •arsCynic
in reply to /home/pineapplelover • • •You mean Qalculate, right? If so, I agree.
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✍︎ arscyni.cc: modernity ∝ nature.
arsCynic: modernity ∝ nature | Angelino Desmet
www.arscyni.ccMatth78
in reply to arsCynic • • •But seriously, compared to qalculate I prefer SpeedCrunch UI.
SpeedCrunch
heldercorreia.bitbucket.io/home/pineapplelover
in reply to arsCynic • • •qalc
in the terminal.utopiah
in reply to /home/pineapplelover • • •bc
?phantomwise
in reply to /home/pineapplelover • • •GitHub - svenstaro/rofi-calc: 🖩 Do live calculations in rofi!
GitHubDragonofKnowledge
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Pinta is the main one that comes to mind. I don't use it every day, far from it, and that's a part of why I love it. On the rare occasion that I have to do some image editing, I load up Gimp and then proceed to fight against it for at least a whole day to make it do the simplest of things before finally ragequitting. Then I load up Pinta and actually get the task done in either minutes or hours at most.
It's like old school MS Paint, but better. Simple, intuitive, no huge learning curve, just enough features to get my nonprofessional tasks done. It should be a distro default.
Pinta: Painting Made Simple
PintaMachineFab812
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •digiKam
digiKamCricket [he/him]
in reply to MachineFab812 • • •MachineFab812
in reply to Cricket [he/him] • • •Cricket [he/him]
in reply to MachineFab812 • • •Hanrahan
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Sorry to thread jack. One little app I miss from Windows is a simple screengrab annotator? Wondering if people have anything to recommend.
Eg to circle some on screen text, add an arrow and maybe add some of my own text.
I cant get my Loigtech KB to screen grab, so I just use the Screengrab app in Mint, which is fine but zero annotation abilities.
I have tried Flameshot but it is a shitshow and doesn't work properly and is unstable (for me) and doesn't allow me to put it in the clipboard and paste in say Signal.
PenguinCoder
in reply to Hanrahan • • •IrritableOcelot
in reply to PenguinCoder • • •ace_garp
in reply to Hanrahan • • •Greenshot GPL3
...but also Linux.
ace_garp
in reply to ace_garp • • •Thought you meant 'app for Windows'.
Like mentioned here, I usually tap PrintScreen and then annotate elsewhere, usually in Gimp.
dubyakay
in reply to Hanrahan • • •HaraldvonBlauzahn
in reply to Hanrahan • • •BillyCrystalMeth
in reply to Hanrahan • • •GitHub - ksnip/ksnip: ksnip the cross-platform screenshot and annotation tool
GitHubklu9
in reply to BillyCrystalMeth • • •hexagonwin
in reply to Hanrahan • • •kurcatovium
in reply to Hanrahan • • •I use what's built in KDE - Spectacle: github.com/KDE/spectacle
Does everything I need.
GitHub - KDE/spectacle: Screenshot capture utility
GitHubScrath
in reply to Hanrahan • • •Drunk & Root
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •HaraldvonBlauzahn
in reply to Drunk & Root • • •TerHu
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Drunk & Root
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Everyday0764
in reply to Drunk & Root • • •if you need to set an mx master, the logiops is the way.
github.com/PixlOne/logiops
i had it integrated with my tilimg wm and it was damm fast to do stuff.
you can configure gestures for both the thumb button ans the dpi button.
also you can can configure touch of the horizontal scroll wheel.
GitHub - PixlOne/logiops: An unofficial userspace driver for HID++ Logitech devices
GitHubDrunk & Root
in reply to Everyday0764 • • •DonutsRMeh
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Man, I have so many apps, but here are a couple that I install first thing on a new install:
Timeshift is possibly at the top of the list.
Then Deja Dup.
Stacer
Strawberry
Open TV
GitHub - linuxmint/timeshift: System restore tool for Linux. Creates filesystem snapshots using rsync+hardlinks, or BTRFS snapshots. Supports scheduled snapshots, multiple backup levels, and exclude filters. Snapshots can be restored while system is runni
GitHubHaraldvonBlauzahn
in reply to DonutsRMeh • • •kurcatovium
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •DonutsRMeh
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Libra00
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •UpNote. I use it like a combination of the gollum wiki described by OP, but I just put everything in there. I have watch and reading lists for things I want to check out, writing projects, notes for TTRPG games, I keep extensive notes on healthcare-related stuff, and so on. I like UpNote because it's lightweight, has windows, linux, and android apps, and because it has a one-time $25 lifetime membership that does free syncing forever instead of a monthly subscription like most other things seem to. I've tried OneNote, Evernote, Obsidian, Joplin, AnyType, and a bunch of others and didn't like them for various reasons, but UpNote is both pretty small and also has a pretty full-featured editor that can do rich text, all kinds of formatting, media files, etc.
The only thing I've run into that UpNote wasn't ideal for is I started writing a novel a couple months ago and managing the structure and notes and all that got a little unwieldy so I picked up Scrivener. Still wish they had an updated linux client or there was some good, complete, feature-rich linux-native equivalent, but it runs pretty good under wine, so.
Best Notes App - Write and Organize with UpNote
getupnote.comHaraldvonBlauzahn
in reply to Libra00 • • •Well, my main reason to use Zim Wiki and Gollum is that all the information stays on my computers -no sync service is needed, I sync via git + ssh to a Raspberry Pi that runs in my home. And this is a critical requirement for me since as a result of many experiences, my trust in commercial companies that collect data to respect data privacy has reached zero.
The differences between Zim and Gollum are gradual: Zim is tailored as a Desktop Wiki, so each page is already in editing mode which is slightly quicker, while Gollum is more like a classical server-based wiki, which is normally accessed over the browser (but by default, without user authentication). The difference is a bit blurry since both just modify a git repo, and Gollum can be run in localhost, so it is good for capturing changes on a laptop while on the road, and syncing them later. A further difference is that Zim is a but better for the "quick but not (yet) organized" style of work, while Gollum is better for a designed and maintained structure.
Both can capture media files and support different kinds of markup, while always storing in plain text. Gollum can also handle well things like PDFs which are displayed in the browser, and supports syntax highlighthing in many programming langages, which makes it nice for programming projects - it is perfect for writing outlines and documentation of software, and I often work by writing documentation first.
Libra00
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Yeah, I have since discovered pCloud as a replacement for OneDrive and that I could just have everything saved to a pCloud directory to auto-sync.. but IMO UpNote is worth the $25 anyway so I don't mind. Also it requires considerably less effort to just install the android app vs setting up some kind of multi-device syncing with pCloud/equivalent and managing that myself. I guess I value convenience over privacy in this one area.
Thanks for the explanation re:gollum/zim, I was curious why you were using 2 different sets of software to accomplish what seemed like the same thing. My notes are definitely more of the 'scribble some shit down and organize it later if I get around to it' variety, but I stopped using zim because I wanted synced notes with multiplatform apps and also it felt a little archaic, and I wasn't really using the real star feature of wikis (cross-linking) anyway, I just wanted something with a traditional tree structure.
Jg1
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •HaraldvonBlauzahn
in reply to Jg1 • • •In that case, the curated list of applications in the Arch wiki could be invaluable for you:
wiki.archlinux.org/title/List_…
Also, if you need something, I've found it often to be a good strategy to sit and write down what you personally need from a software - what are your requirements, and then go and search which available software matches these. The other way around, there are just too many alternatives: Any larger distro has tens of thousands of packages, and you won't have time to try them all.
List of applications - ArchWiki
wiki.archlinux.orgManifish_Destiny
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •I do a fair amount of pentesting and I'm on mobile, so I'll just list software.
Trufflehog & nosey parker (both kinda suck, but there's nothing better)
Subfinder
Nuclei
Credmaster
To name a few.
4atringscooter
in reply to Manifish_Destiny • • •Check out earlybird as an alternative to trufflehog.
github.com/americanexpress/ear…
GitHub - americanexpress/earlybird: EarlyBird is a sensitive data detection tool capable of scanning source code repositories for clear text password violations, PII, outdated cryptography methods, key files and more.
GitHubfossilesque
in reply to Manifish_Destiny • • •minibyte
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Audacity ® | Free Audio editor, recorder, music making and more!
www.audacityteam.orgbuttnugget
in reply to minibyte • • •minibyte
in reply to buttnugget • • •buttnugget
in reply to minibyte • • •Magiilaro
in reply to minibyte • • •The name of the fork is: Tenacity
tenacityaudio.org/
The developers of the fork have a detailed history explaining why the fork happened:
tenacityaudio.org/docs/_conten…
Their mastodon account
floss.social/@tenacity
Tenacity
tenacityaudio.orgMactan
in reply to buttnugget • • •Elkenders
in reply to minibyte • • •Gelik
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •auto-cpufreq to automatic CPU speed & power optimizer to improve battery life for Laptops.
Syncthing for syncing folders and files directly between your devices.
Also whatever software or driver I loaded to make this HP Thunderbolt Docking Station work with Linux.
GitHub - AdnanHodzic/auto-cpufreq: Automatic CPU speed & power optimizer for Linux
GitHubarsCynic
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •AutoKey automation / word expander tool.
- I reconfigure
ALT + i/j/k/l
to ↑←↓→ globally, and more similar shortcuts.- It expands abbreviations of one's choice like "gCo" to
git commit -m '
- One can assign scripts to abbreviations and hotkeys. E.g., when I press
CTRL + Shift + [
it surrounds the selected text with a tag:I'm likely not even harnessing AutoKey's full capabilities and it's already absolutely indispensable for being a huge time-saver and annoyance reducer.
- -
✍︎ arscyni.cc: modernity ∝ nature.
GitHub - autokey/autokey: AutoKey, a desktop automation utility for Linux and X11.
GitHubsilly goose meekah
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Steam added an excellent screen capture feature to their overlay, but I like being able to capture my screen anytime, not just when playing games with the steam overlay.
gpu-screen-recorder is the perfect tool for this, you set up a command to run at startup and the software records the last X minutes in the background, with barely any hardware utilization. Add a hotkey for another command that saves the recorded clip to a file, and boom, simple and efficient replay recorder. I'm honestly surprised this app wasn't mentioned yet.
gpu-screen-recorder - A shadowplay-like screen recorder for Linux. The fastest screen recorder for Linux.
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Luca
in reply to silly goose meekah • • •tiramichu
in reply to silly goose meekah • • •Reading your comment I got worried about disk writes, so I'm glad this info is on the website:
Sensible design decision, because writing video to your SSD 24/7 wouldn't do anything good for the lifespan of the drive.
silly goose meekah
in reply to tiramichu • • •Nemoder
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •ocenaudio
www.ocenaudio.comkurcatovium
in reply to Nemoder • • •Elkenders
in reply to Nemoder • • •floatingpin
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •units
. It feels much better to use than the calculator that pops up after a Google search.Units - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
www.gnu.orgvaionko
in reply to floatingpin • • •SilverShark
in reply to floatingpin • • •rayhem
in reply to floatingpin • • •units
is really powerful. I worked with the team there to appropriately support Gaussian units since it seems no other tool would—took a bit of retrofitting to support fractional exponents like "grams^1/2", but I have yet to find another tool that handles this even remotely correctly.phantomwise
in reply to floatingpin • • •GitHub - svenstaro/rofi-calc: 🖩 Do live calculations in rofi!
GitHubthevoidzero
in reply to phantomwise • • •I mean the syntax for gnu units is literally the same unit expression used in math. m^2, cm, m/s etc. the ft;in looks weird because it's two units combined.
Your example in it would be
units 30ft mm
, use-t
for terse results that's just the final value.phantomwise
in reply to thevoidzero • • •thevoidzero
in reply to phantomwise • • •phantomwise
in reply to thevoidzero • • •thevoidzero
in reply to floatingpin • • •fodor
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •ohshit604
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •FlappyBubble
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •GitHub - Jacalz/rymdport: Cross-platform application for easy encrypted file, folder, and text sharing between devices.
GitHubUnmapped
in reply to FlappyBubble • • •LocalSend: Share files to nearby devices
localsend.orgFlatfire
in reply to Unmapped • • •FlappyBubble
in reply to Unmapped • • •Piranha Phish
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •gnome-network-displays let's you cast your screen to a wireless display (Miracast) or to a Chromecast device.
It works with KDE no problem and even under Wayland.
It creates a virtual display that can be organized like any other display: unify with another screen or extend the desktop using your DE's default method/UI. And then it uses standard screen sharing conventions to send content to that virtual display.
I don't know what kind of dark arts the developer(s) employed to make this possible, but the end result is simple wireless display in Linux that just works! A MUST for using Linux in a business setting.
GNOME / gnome-network-displays · GitLab
GitLabyoumaynotknow
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •bmancer
in reply to youmaynotknow • • •Any chance you got it working with multiple monitors on kde Wayland? That's seriously my single biggest issue right now
youmaynotknow
in reply to bmancer • • •I honestly haven't tried on KDE, but I can give it a shot this coming weekend and report back. I'm up for a distro hopping round anyway.
But in Gnome, dual screens, it works like a charm, also on Wayland.
bmancer
in reply to youmaynotknow • • •youmaynotknow
in reply to bmancer • • •Gnome has an extension called GSConnect which is their re-implementation of KDE Connect. I have in my tablet and phone, and it's flawless.
But don't change yet, give me until the weekend, I'll spin Fedora with KDE in my laptop, and come back with my experience with FlameShot.
No need to change if that's what you like and it ends up working.
Flameshot does require some tweaking to work anyway, so I'll need check if it's the same in KDE.
thevoidzero
in reply to bmancer • • •Everyday0764
in reply to youmaynotknow • • •youmaynotknow
in reply to Everyday0764 • • •fmstrat
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •GitHub Application Manager (GAM): github.com/fmstrat/gam
It's like
apt
for installing directly from Github releases. A plug, sure, but I still use it regularly for things like FreeCAD, Cura, OrcaSlicer, and so on.GitHub - Fmstrat/gam: GitHub Application Manager
GitHubRedSnt 👓♂️🖥️
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •Boxbuddy makes it incredibly easy to use distrobox, a great way to install software that might not be available for your distro, but is available on another distro, or just a way to keep a piece of software in a stable state (like DaVinci Resolve with davincibox).
If you use a "gaming distro", I'm sure you've seen Input Remapper. It's a neat utility that can create macros for all your peripherals or rebind keys as you like. Want to bind you controller so it works like a mouse? Possible. Want to macro key pressed by using the forward button on your mouse? Possible.
Did you leave Foobar2000 behind when you switched to Linux? Why not give Fooyin a try. It's a relatively new audio player with aspirations of becoming just as configurable as FB2K. For me replaygain is quite important, and while some other FOSS audio players support it, not many has replaygain generation. And Fooyin does. While also being just as easy to set up and use as Foobar. Worth a look.
Install BoxBuddy on Linux | Flathub
Flathubblayd
in reply to RedSnt 👓♂️🖥️ • • •Elkenders
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •phantomwise
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •GNU Stow, definitely. I can't stress enough how wonderful this app has been for my sanity. I use it to manage my dotfiles and personal data.
I made one
dotfiles
folder, which containshome
,etc
andusr
subfolders. I put all my configs in it (dotfiles, themes, custom keyboard layouts, etc) in the relevant subfolders, then with Stow I symlinkdotfiles/home
to/home/username
,dotfiles/etc
to/etc
anddotfiles/usr
to/usr
, and poof symlinks are created for everything in it. That way all my configs are in one folder, I can sync it to my NAS easily, make it a git repo for version control, and even upload it to github. It's amazing 🥰 I also made apersonal
folder which containsDocuments
,Pictures
,Videos
, etc, all symlinked to/home/username/Documents
and such, so I only have one folder to back up for my personal data. Yes I'm very lazy and hate doing backups 😅Rofi (or here for the X11 version) : It's the best app launcher by miles, even if I used a DE I'd still use rofi. But I also use it for a lot of other stuff that it's much less well known for: the run mode for launching scripts and other executables, the ssh mode for ssh, rofi-calc for a very light and fast calculator that understand natural language, rofi-games as a games launcher, rofi-emoji as emoji selector... Rofi is life, rofi is love, rofi is God.
Libation to liberate audiobooks from Audible. There's tons of apps to download and un-DRM your files from various platforms, but most only work on Windows. This one does work on linux 🥳
Lots of self-hosted apps for my media server, but they are all pretty well known (Jellyfin, Audiobookshelf, Komga) except maybe Suwayomi Server for manga (it can sync progress to AniList, and there are plugins to enable downloading from online manga reading sites)
ani-cli for watching anime because I'm a crazy person who grew up with MS-DOS and TUI apps make me happy. Also it's often more convenient than having to check ten different websites to find the one anime you want to watch only to discover that half of them have been taken down.
yt-dlp to download videos from YouTube. I use wrapper scripts to make it more convenient to use because I'm lazy, but it's great.
GitHub - lbonn/rofi: Rofi: A window switcher, run dialog and dmenu replacement - fork with wayland support
GitHubpineapple
in reply to phantomwise • • •chezmoi - chezmoi
www.chezmoi.iophantomwise
in reply to pineapple • • •pineapple
in reply to phantomwise • • •phantomwise
in reply to pineapple • • •CosmicTurtle0
in reply to pineapple • • •I'm a chezmoi user and I'll be honest: as powerful as it is, it's way too clunky to get right. I spend too much time configuring and then am too worried I'll mess it up if I need to add or remove anything.
I'm going to give stow a try to see if it fits my workflow better.
whotookkarl
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •iturnedintoanewt
in reply to whotookkarl • • •petsoi
in reply to iturnedintoanewt • • •like this
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nayminlwin
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •ledger-cli.org/
Plain text double-entry bookkeeping for home finance and budgeting. Pretty sweet, once you get used to it.
ledger, a powerful command-line accounting system - ledger
ledger-cli.orgMatty_r
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •OTPClient
Awesome TOTP app that can import your Aegis Authenticator database, which then you can keep in sync with your phone and desktop.
Super handy.
GitHub - paolostivanin/OTPClient: Highly secure and easy to use OTP client written in C/GTK3 that supports both TOTP and HOTP
GitHubpolle
in reply to Matty_r • • •Matty_r
in reply to polle • • •FireIced
in reply to Matty_r • • •Running a TOTP app on desktop seems like a potential security issue. Get a malware on your desktop and you're fucked
I believe the reason we use mobile devices is that they have better isolation and are generally less vulnerable
Matty_r
in reply to FireIced • • •You can install it via flatpak and use selinux as well if you need. You can also encrypt and password protect the database, which can also be held in your keyring.
As with any app its up to you to decide and mitigate any perceived risks.
funkyB
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •GitHub - sharkdp/bat: A cat(1) clone with wings.
GitHubOlgratin_Magmatoe
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •actualbudget.org/
github.com/actualbudget/actual
It's software for budgeting. You can run it entirely local, or set it up as a server. It stores everything in an SQLite dB, let's you import and export CSV files, and it gives you great options for querying and seeing reports on your financial records.
I've got a handful of accounts, so I set up a small python utility to parse the CSVs my banks give me to something actually sensible and readable for Actual. I do that once a month, add a reconciliation entry here and there, and it's all kept on sync very well.
I have one morbid report titled "money pissed down the landlord drain", and it's far higher than I'd like to be. But it's got close to every penny I've ever spent on that bullshit in one place.
GitHub - actualbudget/actual: A local-first personal finance app
GitHubEveryday0764
in reply to Olgratin_Magmatoe • • •there is also:
github.com/maybe-finance/maybe
looks promising and it SHOULD support bank connection.
GitHub - maybe-finance/maybe: The personal finance app for everyone
GitHubEveryday0764
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •this is more a selfhosted thing but i adore it: github.com/silverbulletmd/silv…
you can write your own Javascript functions (will be lua in the near future) and use them directly in the editor.
GitHub - silverbulletmd/silverbullet: An open source personal productivity platform built on Markdown, turbo charged with the scripting power of Lua
GitHubLime Buzz (fae/she)
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •StrixUralensis
in reply to HaraldvonBlauzahn • • •wiki system used by the GitHub web hosting system
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)HaraldvonBlauzahn
in reply to StrixUralensis • • •