Israelis assault Arab knesset member Ayman Odeh, attack his car, chant ‘Death to Arabs’
Right-wing demonstrators on Saturday assaulted Arab lawmaker Ayman Odeh and attacked his car as he traveled to an anti-war protest in Nes Ziona, days after the Knesset failed to approve a motion to expel him from the legislature over controversial comments he made on the conflict with Hamas in Gaza.
Demonstrators could be heard repeatedly cursing Odeh and chanting “death to Arabs” in a video filmed from inside the vehicle.
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Russia’s war against Ukraine
Ukraine’s Oleksandr Usyk and his team celebrate defeating Britain’s Daniel Dubois in their undisputed world heavyweight boxing title bout at Wembley Stadium in London on July 19, 2025. (Adrian Dennis / AFP via Getty Images)
Fire, flight diversions reported near Moscow as Ukraine launches drone attack on Russia’s capital. A fire broke out in Moscow Oblast overnight on July 20 as Ukraine reportedly launched a drone attack targeting the Russian capital, local Telegram channels reported.
Ukrainian hackers wipe databases at Russia’s Gazprom in major cyberattack, intelligence source says. The cyberattack allegedly destroyed large volumes of data and installed custom software designed to further damage the company’s information systems.
Ukraine proposes peace talks with Russia next week, Zelensky says. President Volodymyr Zelensky announced on July 19 that Ukraine has proposed new peace talks with Russia for next week, with National Security Council Secretary Rustem Umerov extending the offer and signaling readiness for high-level discussions.
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Ukraine considers easing travel ban for men ages 18-24, parliament speaker says. Ukrainian lawmakers are considering whether to allow men ages 18 to 24 to travel abroad, a move that would ease current wartime restrictions, Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada Ruslan Stefanchuk said on July 19.
Ukraine moves to reclaim Ukrainian names for foreign places in official use. A new initiative will examine how the Ukrainian language describes foreign locations while at home, with the aim of standardizing and promoting a Ukrainian spelling, said Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha.
Russia aims to launch 2,000 drones towards Ukraine at once, German general says. The staggering figure described by German Major General Christian Freuding, who heads the Ukraine task force at the German Defense Ministry, comes as Russia continues to expand its drone production.
Human cost of Russia’s war
1 killed, 6 injured in Russian drone attack on Odesa. At least one person was killed and three were injured as a fire engulfed a residential building amid a Russian drone attack on Odesa overnight on July 19.
Ukrainian city of Pavlohrad suffers ‘hellish night and morning’ of Russian strikes. Pavlohrad, a city in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast that has become a key humanitarian aid hub for those evacuating the front lines, suffered one of its most severe attacks of the war, Governor Serhii Lysak said on July 19.
24 hours inside Pokrovsk as Russia closes in on key Ukrainian city
International response
‘Russia is weaponizing deportation’ — Ukraine evacuates 43 deportees from Russia-Georgia border. Instead of being brought to the Ukrainian border, 56 Ukrainian deportees were taken to a basement facility in Georgia where they were being held in a transit zone, aid group Volunteers Tbilisi reported.
In other news
Ukrainian boxer Usyk defeats Dubois, retains world heavyweight championship. Oleksandr Usyk retained his heavyweight title and preserved his unbeaten record with a commanding fifth-round knockout of Daniel Dubois on July 19 at Wembley Stadium.
Zelensky unveils new composition of Ukraine’s Security Council. President Volodymyr Zelensky on July 19 announced the updated composition of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, following the country’s latest government reshuffle. While most members remain the same, one notable change is the appointment of Rustem Umerov as the council’s new secretary.
Ukraine’s defense, digital ministries coordinate to scale drone solutions. Newly appointed Defense Minister Denys Shmyhal met with Digital Transformation Minister Mykhailo Fedorov on July 19 to discuss scaling up battlefield technologies, with a focus on interceptor drones and anti-Shahed systems.
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AOC Is A Genocidal Con Artist
Coming under fire from the left for the glaring contradiction of providing military assistance to a state that is perpetrating an active genocide, AOC issued a statement claiming her vote was about protecting civilians. AOC’s statement is absolute crap. The Iron Dome is not used for defending, it’s used to facilitate constant attacks. In an article for Jewish Currents titled “Iron Dome Is Not a Defensive System,” Dylan Saba explains:
“‘In theory, a weapon like Iron Dome could be used only defensively. But in practice it doesn’t work that way,’ analyst Nathan Thrall told Jewish Currents. ‘Iron Dome facilitates greater Israeli offensive measures, because it lowers the perceived cost to Israel of escalating or extending or initiating attacks.’ In other words, while the Iron Dome may prevent the deaths of Israeli non-combatants, it has made it easier for Israel to engage in deadly operations that take Palestinian lives.”
The Iron Dome isn’t for protecting civilians, it’s for protecting the Israeli regime from deterrence. We see this in the comfort the regime displays in waging constant military violence on its neighbors knowing they can’t retaliate. That’s why Israel cut a ceasefire deal with Iran so fast.
Iran’s advanced missiles can’t be reliably stopped by the Iron Dome, so Iran was able to smash Israel and force it to cease its unprovoked aggressions. If Israel had had a missile defense system which could casually swat those missiles out of the sky at a high rate of success, Israel would still be bombing Iran today, and would continue doing so until Tehran looked like Gaza. Israel’s war-horny population would have supported this, because they’d have no skin in the game.
AOC Is A Genocidal Con Artist
Listen to a reading of this article (reading by Tim Foley):Caitlin Johnstone (Caitlin’s Newsletter)
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No double standards: India slams EU sanctions targeting Gujarat refinery
The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) rejected the EU's unilateral move, reaffirming that India does not recognise sanctions imposed outside the United Nations framework.the sanctions target Nayara Energy’s 20-million-tonne-per-year refinery in Gujarat’s Vadinar, where Russian energy firm Rosneft holds a 49.13 per cent stake.
No double standards: India slams EU sanctions targeting Gujarat refinery
India condemned the quotunilateral sanctionsquot by the European Union targeting a oil refinery in Gujarat and urged the EU to avoid quotdouble standardsquot in energy tradeIndia Today World Desk (India Today)
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UK Labour Party suspends MPs over austerity bill rebellion
British Prime Minister Keir Starmer is once again responding to internal opposition within the Labour Party with force, echoing the tactics his government has used to try to suppress Palestine solidarity groups across the UK. After dozens of MPs rebelled against a draconian welfare bill that would have devastated the lives of thousands of disabled people (the bill’s gutted version still entails significant cuts to welfare), Starmer responded by suspending four of them: Rachael Maskell, Brian Leishman, Chris Hinchcliff, and Neil Duncan-Jordan. He then took things a step further by re-suspending veteran Labour MP Diane Abbott.
Abbott had previously been suspended over trumped-up allegations of racism following comments made in an interview, allegations that are hard to reconcile with her decades-long record of fighting racism and discrimination in her constituency. She was eventually allowed to run on the Labour ticket just ahead of the 2024 general election, but has remained a vocal critic of the Starmer cabinet’s austerity agenda and its enthusiastic turn toward militarization. Reacting to her latest suspension, Abbott remarked that the Labour leadership obviously wants her out – as it did many other progressive members when 2024 election tickets were being drafted, one might add.
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2025/07/18/uk-labour-party-suspends-mps-over-austerity-bill-rebellion/
Andrew Cuomo says he ‘will move to Florida’ if Zohran Mamdani becomes NYC mayor
Former Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday he’ll pack his bags and flee to Florida if he loses the NYC mayoral race to socialist Zohran Mamdani.
“It’s all or nothing. We either win or even I will move to Florida. God forbid!” Cuomo told business leaders and other honchos at a Hamptons breakfast hosted by supermarket mogul John Catsimatidis.
Exclusive | Andrew Cuomo says he 'will move to Florida' if Zohran Mamdani becomes NYC mayor
Former Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday he’ll pack and bags and flee south to Florida if he loses the NYC mayoral race to socialist Zohran Mamdani.Carl Campanile (New York Post)
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Andrew Cuomo says he ‘will move to Florida’ if Zohran Mamdani becomes NYC mayor
Former Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday he’ll pack his bags and flee to Florida if he loses the NYC mayoral race to socialist Zohran Mamdani.
“It’s all or nothing. We either win or even I will move to Florida. God forbid!” Cuomo told business leaders and other honchos at a Hamptons breakfast hosted by supermarket mogul John Catsimatidis.
Exclusive | Andrew Cuomo says he 'will move to Florida' if Zohran Mamdani becomes NYC mayor
Former Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday he’ll pack and bags and flee south to Florida if he loses the NYC mayoral race to socialist Zohran Mamdani.Carl Campanile (New York Post)
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Fediverse, ActivityPub and the Ethics
Musing out loud some casaul philosophical reflection on fedi and tech ethics, related to this toot:
In our FOSS movement and the social impact movements that favor the fediverse we value a set of principles we think are essential to improve all the things that need fixing, in order to move to a better world.
Fediverse as no other other online space can be considered a "humane technology field lab". People care about the features of their app, and the impact it has on fedizens that use it. This focus on the human side, ethics, and externalities is highly laudible and much needed to become the norm everywhere. The only future of mankind is the one where we find equilibrium of our exploitation with what our planet can provide. Holistic sustainability.
But do we take all the externalities into account fairly? Or are we fooling ourselves that app-centric humane tech focus is enough. We aren't able to collaborate at scale in our grassroots environment, as Big Industry™ under hypercapitalism is able to do. Yet we do work in public and give all our innovation away, also to the bad actors. Is that responsible? Are we really creating "humane technology" then?
Are we able to control what we create, as we introduce it into society in real-time?
Will our work remains commons based, for the people by the people? Or won't we be able to avoid corporate capture of our tech followed by 'business as usual'? Maybe the way we work together now is the best we can muster. But who is pondering if that is the case, and looking into better ways to work ethical and responsible in large-scale grassroots commons that keep sustainable technology ecosystems afloat?
Due to a bug in the #Discourse #ActivityPub plugin the image is included twice and with the wrong alt-text (the one that auto-generated on image upload).
The #ALT4you alt-text is the exact text of my toot at this location:
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(Plus the federation of this caused another nginx "504 Gateway Time-out" on SocialHub forum)
AOC Is A Genocidal Con Artist
Coming under fire from the left for the glaring contradiction of providing military assistance to a state that is perpetrating an active genocide, AOC issued a statement claiming her vote was about protecting civilians. AOC’s statement is absolute crap. The Iron Dome is not used for defending, it’s used to facilitate constant attacks. In an article for Jewish Currents titled “Iron Dome Is Not a Defensive System,” Dylan Saba explains:
“‘In theory, a weapon like Iron Dome could be used only defensively. But in practice it doesn’t work that way,’ analyst Nathan Thrall told Jewish Currents. ‘Iron Dome facilitates greater Israeli offensive measures, because it lowers the perceived cost to Israel of escalating or extending or initiating attacks.’ In other words, while the Iron Dome may prevent the deaths of Israeli non-combatants, it has made it easier for Israel to engage in deadly operations that take Palestinian lives.”
The Iron Dome isn’t for protecting civilians, it’s for protecting the Israeli regime from deterrence. We see this in the comfort the regime displays in waging constant military violence on its neighbors knowing they can’t retaliate. That’s why Israel cut a ceasefire deal with Iran so fast.
Iran’s advanced missiles can’t be reliably stopped by the Iron Dome, so Iran was able to smash Israel and force it to cease its unprovoked aggressions. If Israel had had a missile defense system which could casually swat those missiles out of the sky at a high rate of success, Israel would still be bombing Iran today, and would continue doing so until Tehran looked like Gaza. Israel’s war-horny population would have supported this, because they’d have no skin in the game.
AOC Is A Genocidal Con Artist
Listen to a reading of this article (reading by Tim Foley):Caitlin Johnstone (Caitlin’s Newsletter)
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AOC Is A Genocidal Con Artist
Coming under fire from the left for the glaring contradiction of providing military assistance to a state that is perpetrating an active genocide, AOC issued a statement claiming her vote was about protecting civilians. AOC’s statement is absolute crap. The Iron Dome is not used for defending, it’s used to facilitate constant attacks. In an article for Jewish Currents titled “Iron Dome Is Not a Defensive System,” Dylan Saba explains:
“‘In theory, a weapon like Iron Dome could be used only defensively. But in practice it doesn’t work that way,’ analyst Nathan Thrall told Jewish Currents. ‘Iron Dome facilitates greater Israeli offensive measures, because it lowers the perceived cost to Israel of escalating or extending or initiating attacks.’ In other words, while the Iron Dome may prevent the deaths of Israeli non-combatants, it has made it easier for Israel to engage in deadly operations that take Palestinian lives.”
The Iron Dome isn’t for protecting civilians, it’s for protecting the Israeli regime from deterrence. We see this in the comfort the regime displays in waging constant military violence on its neighbors knowing they can’t retaliate. That’s why Israel cut a ceasefire deal with Iran so fast.
Iran’s advanced missiles can’t be reliably stopped by the Iron Dome, so Iran was able to smash Israel and force it to cease its unprovoked aggressions. If Israel had had a missile defense system which could casually swat those missiles out of the sky at a high rate of success, Israel would still be bombing Iran today, and would continue doing so until Tehran looked like Gaza. Israel’s war-horny population would have supported this, because they’d have no skin in the game.
AOC Is A Genocidal Con Artist
Listen to a reading of this article (reading by Tim Foley):Caitlin Johnstone (Caitlin’s Newsletter)
EXPOSING THE NEW YORK TIMES
The Paper of Zionist Record
Exposing The New York Times: The Paper of Zionist Record
High-ranking Times editors and reporters have material and ideological ties to Israel’s occupation and apartheid. Their journalistic malpractice enables genocide in Gaza.newyorkwarcrimes.com
Ani DiFranco – ¿Which Side Are You On? (2012)
Dopo una pausa di quasi quattro anni (il suo ultimo lavoro "Red Letter Year" è del 2008) dovuti al matrimonio e alla maternità, la quarantunenne Ani DiFranco ritorna con un nuovo disco, il diciannovesimo: ¿Which Side Are You On?.. Leggi e ascolta...
[Video] Linus Tech Tips | I Bought EVERY PlayStation and some of them are Weird
Embark on an epic journey through PlayStation history! See "every PlayStation ever," from the iconic PS1, PS2, and PS3 to the powerful PS4 and PS5. Discover rare variants like the Net Yaroze and PSX, and explore unique accessories. We compare console performance, discuss generational leaps, and recommend the best models for your collection, whether you're a hardcore collector or a casual gamer. See classic games like Parappa the Rapper, God of War, and Motorstorm played on period-accurate displays. Uncover the evolution of controllers, from Dualshock to Dual Sense, and learn which PlayStation is right for YOU!
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Apartheid Reloaded – „Disctrict 9“ (2009)
„Vor 28 Jahren ist ein Raumschiff mit Außerirdischen über Johannesburg gestrandet. Seitdem werden die Aliens in einem slumartigen Flüchtlingslager isoliert – dem District 9.“ – Ein südafrikanischer Science-Fiction-Film, der es in sich hat, uns mal wieder wirklich nachdenklich werden zu lassen. (ZDF, Wh)
Apartheid Reloaded - „Disctrict 9“ (2009)
"Vor 28 Jahren ist ein Raumschiff mit Außerirdischen über Johannesburg gestrandet. Seitdem werden die Aliens in einem slumartigen Flüchtlingslager isoliert - dem District 9.NexxtPress
Microsoft buys more than a billion dollars’ worth of excrement, including human poop, to clean up its AI mess — company will pump waste underground to offset AI carbon emissions
Microsoft buys more than a billion dollars’ worth of excrement, including human poop, to clean up its AI mess — company will pump waste underground to offset AI carbon emissions
It wants to bury poop deep underground to counter all the pollution that its data centers generate.Jowi Morales (Tom's Hardware)
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Is the new 'Superman' really pro-Palestine? – The Forward
James Gunn tackles a fictional international crisis, but doesn't give the Middle Eastern-coded characters much dignity.The Forward
Linux and Secure Boot certificate expiration
Linux and Secure Boot certificate expiration
Linux users who have Secure Boot enabled on their systems knowingly or unknowingly rely on a ke [...]LWN.net
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There is even a whole section in Wikipedia on issues and criticism with secure boot:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFI#S…
Some people argue that one can work around such locking down of PC hardware. Do this or that to avoid issues with substantial tinkering.
But that is not a bug but a feature. Sure, as a technical Linux user you can work around some nastiness. Like working around privacy invasion on Facebook or Linkedin by "adjusting" settings, or "adjust" settings in Wimdows to make it more private and so on. The thing is: working against the platform becomes quickly a losing game, because you don't control the platform - Microsoft does. And it does not help you if you manage to re-gain control of your device after some hours of tinkering if 99.9% of people around you don't have the knowledge and time and store your data, photos, Emails on OneDrive and so on. Freedom is very much a collective thing and software freedom is no exception.
And this does not mean that the thinkering and hacking is in vain - but it is not enough. We need the practical right to control our devices.
Un primo sguardo alle caratteristiche del K3, carro armato all'idrogeno sudcoreano - Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri
Un primo sguardo alle caratteristiche del K3, carro armato all'idrogeno sudcoreano - Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri
Nello scenario di guerra contemporaneo, dove sono le informazioni a farla da padrone, con la possibilità di attaccare da distanze chilometriche mediante l’utilizzo di razzi ed artiglieria, piuttosto che l’impiego di semplici droni radiocomandati, le …Jacopo (Il blog di Jacopo Ranieri)
Amazon Ring Cashes in on Techno-Authoritarianism and Mass Surveillance
Ring founder Jamie Siminoff is back at the helm of the surveillance doorbell company, and with him is the surveillance-first-privacy-last approach that made Ring one of the most maligned tech devices. Not only is the company reintroducing new versions of old features which would allow police to request footage directly from Ring users, it is also introducing a new feature that would allow police to request live-st
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And exactly this behavior ("I have no clue about the thing I will do, but I'll do it anyway without educating myself prior") is what makes everything suck more and more because it always gets adapted to the lowest common denominator.
We're only still alive because people need licenses to drive cars or fly planes.
Yeah sure, government shall intervene. But...i can probably expect more from anyone else.
And no,I didn't imply everyone should be expert at everything. That is beyond impossible, even for fractions of fractions of things.
But. If you wanna drive a car, you're forced to learn a shitton and pay like 2k € to be allowed to do so. One of the reasons is safety for others.
If I had no clue about e.g. doorbells, I would ask a pro I know or search the net or whatever. At least the absolute basics of it. Even setting the pure curiosity aside, just to know what the heck I'm getting at.
Admitted, I might have much more spare time than the regular Jane or Joe, but I'd still do that if I had to work. Just less intensive.
But yes, this mixture of apathy and ignorance is the leading reason why the internet sucks so much nowadays then 30 or even just 20yrs ago.
The majority of absolutely clueless people not knowing how they get fucked and where to draw a line. Sure, to some it's just a tool they don't need to know shit about to use it. No judging. BUT that doesn't change the fact.
That's the thing, you correctly see the difference in available time after work. That difference stacks over time. Having read this or that makes you understand terminology, patterns, builds confidence and over time that marginal extra time I have had has made it possible for me to grok a manual in 15 minutes but my father who hasn't had that time takes 45 minutes from his shorter available time. Then there's all the modifying details around kids or no kids, how much more hours the lower parts of the working class have to do to pay rent today vs earlier and so on and so forth. Everyone really but it's just much worse for the lower sections.
And then there's the problem of availability of products without extensive research. There's few brands owned by few large corpos that spend a lot pushing them left front and center on their digital platforms. That increases significanty the amount of work anyone has to do to avoid surveillance in this case. And as you understand, increasing the amount of work, increases the amount of time, and there's hard cutoffs which lead to the work not being done, which leads to the marketing campaigns succeeding in getting dad to buy a Ring. These people study, research and know well how to get people who seemingly have choices to choose their product 8 out of 10 times. Especially when transacting via their digital platform.
Which is why we're fighting a losing game if we rely on the individual when they're standing against the corporation which acts as a large collective with collective resources aligned to achieve their goals. This is why individualism is profitable and therefore encouraged. Consumers, employees have to also act as a collective which pools their resources like time, expertise to counteract this. E.g. by having people, supported by the normies, digest, analyse and spit out the results in trivial form (when posaible) that also takes very little time for everyone else to grok, so they make the right decision. Example that come to mind is Consumer Reports.
Your arguments are all valid and fine, wouldn't argue with them. BUT understanding the underlying reasons doesn't really change the fact and my point.
I can empathise with speeders, murderers, scammers and whatever. But know why someone does something, or even truly empathizing with it, doesn't change the fact that it's bad.
I could understand a society of murderers and their reasons for murdering. But they'd still destroy their society.
And sadly I really see no way for the government (any gov anywhere) to really pull the rudder. Capitalism just won. And, as you already stated, their goals align excellently with the average Joe/Jane having no clue about the stuff that's thrown in their faces and are worked to death so that'll never change.
Yes. 😁
And in capitalism right now there's no obvious way to reverse the trend. That said, if the critical theory of capitalism (and history) holds any water, the victory is very likely to be temporary, followed by mass unrest and significant change. What kind of change is not so clear but we may have a say if we're educated enough and organized, so at least we know who to support when the time comes.
Not today anymore. Social-media and the state-of-stupid of the web inhibit that. The masses don't even know what to protest for or against. And without MASSIVE numbers you'd achieve nothing. Someone just needs to throw enough moneyz at the problem (or pay thousands to flood the net with "I love our overlords because XYZ") until it's gone.
It was hard to topple a king some 100yrs ago, but today? We don't even know our kings anymore. Besides those few media-clown-babies that so desperately crave attention to fill a bottomless void of darkness inside them.
Besides that I would trust a Chinese cloud way more than a murican one (I'm non-US), this really is a lazy excuse. This apathy paired with ignorance or being technically challenged is the main reason dystopian shit like ring even sells at all. Or all those silly "smart" assistants like Alexa.
Phrases like "renewing my subscription" in context of a fucking doorbell itself sounds so absurd to me.
E.g. A raspberry (or the likes) with some run-of-the-mill ip-cam, some wifi-doorbell and AgentDVR would do the same for even less moneyz. And just for you, not the whole world. Wouldn't take more than some hours of setup.
France wants to nuke citizens’ holidays to fund a fantasy war with Russia
France wants to nuke citizens’ holidays to fund a fantasy war with Russia
Macron’s handpicked centrist prime minister has chosen to mess with the one thing that unites the French more than anything: their time offRT
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The real reason is because France is being kicked out of Africa so they have to turn inwards and colonize their own people.
The more African countries free themselves from the shackles of French imperialism, the worse it will get for the average French. Then it would be very easy to sell them the next war for them to needlessly die in.
In China, delivery robots now ride the subway to restock 7-Eleven stores
In China, delivery robots now ride the subway to restock 7-Eleven stores
The project, reportedly the first of its kind in the world, will see robots ride subway trains to deliver goods to more than 100 stores across Shenzhen.He Huifeng (South China Morning Post)
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Japan sets new internet speed world record — 4 million times faster than average US speeds
Japan sets new internet speed record — it's 4 million times faster than average US broadband speeds
A team of scientists in Japan shattered the record for the fastest internet speed by developing new fiber optics.Perri Thaler (Live Science)
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in reply to twinnie • • •I think US customs said it was because he admitted to using drugs in the past and had photos of a paraphernalia on his phone. He said they ignored that stuff and focused on the photo. So it comes down to whether you think one specific customs employee could potentially see something they don’t like and choose to refuse entry for another reason or that customs is being honest and open about the reason his entry was refused and that the people making the announcement fully understand the situation (including the thoughts of the person that examined the photos).
I feel like the latter is unlikely, but I don’t have enough evidence to say either way. I don’t think drug paraphernalia in a photo or admitting past drug use are good reasons to refuse entry either.
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in reply to twinnie • • •None of the documentation or statements by US officials are consistent, and appear to include a bit of lying. So people are leaning towards him being at least partially correct in his accusations.
In short, they saw the picture and then began an extended interview where they made a bunch of false claims, and used made up reasons to deny him. Then later claimed they used more reasonable argument, which also doesn't really hold water.
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in reply to geneva_convenience • • •Donald Trump Fundamentally Misunderstands Putin and Other Tyrants. They Know It All Too Well.
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in reply to RaivoKulli • • •Hasn't stopped liberals from doing orientalism when they call for doing genocide on them
Is it more important what percentage of their population is past the Urals or how 'savage foreign enemy' tropes are being used?
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for the reasons already mentioned but not addressed
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in reply to RaivoKulli • • •just because you came into a conversation in the middle and injected something no one else was saying doesn't mean the thing you injected became the topic of discussion
the world is not your narcissistic fantasy
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in reply to AntiOutsideAktion • • •Lol this was the photo that sparked the discussion
I was just saying that it's a weird one because the article it was replied to talked first of all about Putin who is not Asian
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in reply to Harvey656 • • •That's... Not how it works lol
Closest you can get is calling him "Eurasian" I guess
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in reply to KumaSudosa • • •my eyes blurred with boredom while you were spending half your reply on framing
can you just do me a favor and edit that down and reply again with it? thanks
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in reply to KumaSudosa • • •word mean bad and bad thing get bad word
all bad words correct
only idiot not understand that
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in reply to BrainInABox • • •Are we supposed to pretend nothing is wrong with China?
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Are you reading a different comment thread to me?
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in reply to Rekorse • • •What do you even mean here?
Any decision about censorship is a compromise of some kind between open communication/access to information and the prevention of the spread of content that could be deemed harmful in some way or another.
Maybe I'm just being thick right now but I'm really not sure who are supposed to be the "children". It seems it could just as easily be the CPC for being uncompromising in their censorship of the internet, fascist trolls who say they should have a right to use slurs and disinformation to incite violence, or liberals who are unwilling to accept that a hardline stance needs to be taken to censor the fascists.
I'm unsure if this is an enlightened centrist take, you saying the CPC (and similar) do what needs to be done or that we need our freedom and the commenter above is the child. Whatever you mean, your comment (at least to me) comes across a bit rude and unconstructive.
Ok your comment successfully ragebaited me so tbh I'm probably the child.
Edit: changed CCP to CPC because that is the technically correct term, even though for some reason most English language outlets use "CCP"
queermunist she/her
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in reply to Grerkol • • •caboose2006
in reply to ☂️- • • •When they find out the extent of the censorship they mind very much. But that's the problem, the censorship is so deep and so good that the vast majority of the Chinese never find out how extensive it is, because it's not just your WeChat, it's ALL MEDIA. The Chinese don't have access to over 90% of the internet, so they never find out what's out there or know what information they're missing.
And you're just trading one dystopian nightmare for another. Saying one is better than the other is like saying having a foot cut off is better than losing a kidney. There is nuance, they're both bad.
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in reply to caboose2006 • • •caboose2006
in reply to ☂️- • • •Buddy, I lived there for years. My sources are the hundreds of Chinese people I spoke to in their native tongue for years. Not the propaganda from my country. True, SOME Chinese people have VPNs. Most do not.
And I think the more poignant question is this. Why do they need a VPN to access the wider internet in the first place?
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in reply to caboose2006 • • •caboose2006
in reply to ☂️- • • •Stop with the pedantic BS. MOST do not use VPNs to get around censorship because MOST do not have a VPN. So again, why do the Chinese need a VPN to access the wider internet?
And there's more to the internet to social media.
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in reply to caboose2006 • • •caboose2006
in reply to ☂️- • • •Not all internet outside of China is Western. I'll give you an example. My wife was a cross cultural communications teacher in China. She had her students pick countries outside of Asia to do a cultural report on. One student picked Poland for whatever reason. The Chinese internet, other than here is Poland on a map, it has this many people, and it's capital is Warsaw, had no other information, Literally nothing else.
So when you ask why they would need access it's because they deserve to be informed about the world around them. There is waayyyyyyy more to the internet than "fascist propaganda".
They also can't access the absolutely braindead remarks you're saying right now. Isn't that a travesty?
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in reply to caboose2006 • • •agamemnonymous
in reply to ☂️- • • •Dude. They literally started the first comment with "I lived in China for 4 years". When you start trying to "um actually" people with years of first-hand experience, it might be time to reflect on your own biases
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in reply to ☂️- • • •"instead" is incorrect. They both do both, albeit to differing degrees.
Also you're quoting yourself, not caboose. How long have you lived in China? They lived in China and spoke to Chinese people in Chinese about their personal experiences with the Chinese information landscape. Where were they hypocritical?
And yeah, lots of Chinese people do [X], if [X] is a thing people do. There's like 2 billion of them. Even the most supportive source you could find said 75% don't use VPNs. Listen to the person with personal experience.
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in reply to agamemnonymous • • •agamemnonymous
in reply to ☂️- • • •Nothing you said have anything to do with hypocrisy. You still haven't quoted them.
I didn't accept the accuracy of that figure, I just noted it as an upper bound. Absolute values aren't particularly useful in this kind of discussion. Any weird and obscure niche interest has millions of fans. What's relevant are proportions. I think numbers are probably much closer to 1:10. In a big country that's a lot of people, but it isn't anywhere near typical. Even 1:4 isn't typical, and that's an unexamined generous figure.
Do they have more personal experience with the US than you do? I only listen to them enough to figure out how they got where they are and how to prevent others from going there, but I've lived in the US for decades so I have my own expertise. How long have you personally lived in China?
Kras Mazov
in reply to agamemnonymous • • •That doesn't mean that person is an expert on China just because they lived there. They could very well be wrong, and in fact they are. You don't have to take my word for it, the Brazilian YouTuber Felipe Durante has lived in China for years, and continues to do so, and he goes in the complete opposite direction than the person saying "I lived there and censorship no one knows anything" in this thread.
Why should I take this random person word instead of the one I can literally see is in China?
IttihadChe
in reply to agamemnonymous • • •Living in China doesn't make you an expert.
Tons of people who hate China live in China as "English teachers" because it's "easy" and stay within their own "expat" bubble.
KimBongUn420
in reply to caboose2006 • • •Have you considered it's actually the other way around?
The problem is the censorship is so deep and so good that the vast majority of westerners never find out how extensive it is, because it’s not just your nazi.world, it’s ALL MEDIA.
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in reply to KimBongUn420 • • •KimBongUn420
in reply to Fredthefishlord • • •If you're implying that there is no substantial amount of censorship in the west you're kidding yourself. e.g. RT/TASS, Genocide in Palestine, Leftists/Communist thought, Removing TikTok is in the talks, etc. come to mind. Not like only one side is locking off their internet.
Also, not wanting western Nazi (social) media platforms is just self defense.
caboose2006
in reply to KimBongUn420 • • •KimBongUn420
in reply to caboose2006 • • •Goes for China too if you use a VPN
I guess you never heard of shadow banning before. That never happens in the west right?
caboose2006
in reply to KimBongUn420 • • •Most Chinese don't have access to a VPN. Do you need a VPN to access that information? The fact that there is an extra step to access the information means that china is more censored by default. There's also the fact that at certain times of year all consumer VPNs are blocked (June 4th is one of those dates, oddly enough)
Yes, I've heard of shadow banning. The censorship in China is still worse. I'm not saying censorship doesn't happen in the west. I am saying it is much more widespread, oppressive, and complete in China. No amount of you crying is going to change that fact.
KimBongUn420
in reply to caboose2006 • • •caboose2006
in reply to KimBongUn420 • • •My god you're just as misinformed as everyone else. The only difference is your misinformation is "china good" misinformation. Which is sad, there are a lot of things to point at in china that are legitimate "China good". Like fast, cheap/free and effective healthcare. The best in the world high speed rail. The closest to a meritocratic education system I've seen or heard of. Virtually zero homelessness.
But when it comes to censorship, nah, they're wayyyyy worse. Yeah, the west can be better than china then some things. It's okay buddy, you can be objective you know
KimBongUn420
in reply to caboose2006 • • •Cope. I guess you had a different experience when you were there. I got asked about NATO, Russia/Ukraine, Iran/Israel, US Tariffs and saw it analyzed in CCTV also when revisiting earlier this year. CGTNs quality of analysis is way higher and objective than other (state) media.
What are topics that didn't make it past the censors in your opinion?
I'm not questioning that censorship is happening, it's just happening differently than in western societies. Classifying it as "way worse" is just your subjective experience
Fredthefishlord
in reply to KimBongUn420 • • •I'm saying the censorship is not even close to the same degree. Communists and leftists are not censored. If they were, I wouldn't encounter them in main stream social medias.
Removing tic tok is not censorship lmfao.
If it was only banning the platforms, I would agree.
KimBongUn420
in reply to Fredthefishlord • • •As a lib it definitely seems that way. There may be even too much amirte?
Id argue trying to remove a main stream platform with a flatter algorithm that allows for counter hegemonic content to go viral is a form of censorship, but in that case China blocking Western social Media isn't either
I like how you skipped the censoring of TASS/RT
AntiOutsideAktion
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in reply to AntiOutsideAktion • • •AntiOutsideAktion
in reply to Fredthefishlord • • •Thank you for explaining to everyone that propaganda and censorship are related but not identical terms. I'm sure the time spent reading it was just as valuable as the time spent writing it. And now it's gone.
And while your point is kind of dumb in that it assumes every society is exactly the same and that differences in how they spend money is explainable by scale of the economy, it's extra dumb because by that mechanism you're conceding the main point of contention that the west controls the thought and discourse in its empire more than China does.
Fredthefishlord
in reply to AntiOutsideAktion • • •Literally, no, I'm not conceding that point. Their dollar does not give the same value. There is substantially less control of media and internet in the west as compared to china.
I wouldn't've had to explain it if you knew the difference in the first place
AntiOutsideAktion
in reply to Fredthefishlord • • •"it doesn't count as being controlled by the government because the guy who owns the government controls it directly"
There is no argument that you can make that isn't stupid because you are wrong.
Fredthefishlord
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in reply to AntiOutsideAktion • • •AntiOutsideAktion
in reply to Fredthefishlord • • •Come back to your own comment and read it again. Do you understand why it's a stupid point?
You don't have to suppress smallpox. It's nowhere to be found!
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in reply to Jankatarch • • •comfy
in reply to Jankatarch • • •Why should they? As in, materially, how does society benefit from that? How does the democratic decision-making tool become more useful from it? I consider democracy to be a decision-making process, so I don't care for vague idealistic assertions like "every adult should have the right to vote" unless there's a benefit from it. And allowing an explicitly anti-liberal, anti-democratic, bad-faith opportunist (and fascism is explicitly and openly all of those) to vote is harmful to the democratic process and increases the odds of it making a bad decision.
are you sure ?
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in reply to caboose2006 • • •Seems more like Huxley than Orwell.
They get you with inconvenience instead of brute force.
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in reply to Sandouq_Dyatha • • •Sandouq_Dyatha
in reply to TankovayaDiviziya • • •no, it's a novel, it's a work of fiction, not a piece of theory or history that you can quote, the ending and the world is entirely built by the writer, there's no study it's literally arguments made up by the writer based on no sources or research, anyone can write a dystopian story, I could write a dystopian story and quote it right now, it's not argument, it's stupid.
You know, in my novel of people who quote novels ending up as nazis, you do resemble it a lot.
/\ as valid as using a novel like 1984 or animal farm or whatever else as an argument
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in reply to Sandouq_Dyatha • • •Sandouq_Dyatha
in reply to TankovayaDiviziya • • •TankovayaDiviziya
in reply to Sandouq_Dyatha • • •Yes, anyone right of you is a Nazi.
How original. Pulitzer prize winning.
Sandouq_Dyatha
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in reply to TankovayaDiviziya • • •AntiOutsideAktion
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in reply to TankovayaDiviziya • • •Tattorack
in reply to Sandouq_Dyatha • • •It's not history, but it's certainly theory. The study it's based on is through observations of reality. When comparing something to one of these books, we're testing their observations by comparing them to reality. Incidentally, it gets brought up a lot when an event, occurrence, or vector in society begins to resemble these books too closely.
Your hyperbole of people quoting books all being nazis, on the other hand, is very easily disproven.
AntiOutsideAktion
in reply to Tattorack • • •"this is giving boss baby vibes" except actually trying to make a point out of it
Only the dumbest fucking people pull this shit and you are as fucking stupid as can be measured
Tattorack
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in reply to AntiOutsideAktion • • •AntiOutsideAktion
in reply to Tattorack • • •The question I asked you was to explain the method by which I was making a judgement, which you presumed to know.
Can you answer it, stupid? Or are we going to get another paragraph about how you being snide is supposed to obscure the fact that you can't maintain a coherent thought throughout one of your posts?
Mister five subordinate clauses per sentence.
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in reply to caboose2006 • • •Carl [he/him]
in reply to geneva_convenience • • •It's always projection. Even if they're not literally doing the thing that they accuse their opponent of doing yet, the fact that they're making the accusation reveals their intention.
Ah shit, this means they're gonna do everything they made up about Xinjiang (if they're not doing it already at the alligator place)
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KimBongUn420
in reply to Fredthefishlord • • •SmilingSolaris
in reply to Fredthefishlord • • •Idk man. People typically use it to be racist against Chinese folk. It's not crazy that video game moderation teams would ban a common insult against a race of players.
I also don't know anything, but it sounds like none of us do and we are just speculating
ComfortablyDumb
in reply to SmilingSolaris • • •davel
in reply to ComfortablyDumb • • •No, it started as an adorable meme on Chinese forums:
It then became a racist trope on Western forums.
The title of president is ceremonial, so term limits on it are hardly consequential. The real top position since 1982 has been the General Secretary of the CPC, which is a renewable five year term that has never had term limits. Xi is still very popular with people in China, so it’s no surprise that he won a third term in 2022. Jiang Zemin also won three terms, so there’s nothing unusual about it.
And why wouldn’t Xi be popular?
- Most in China Call Their Nation A Democracy, Most in U.S. Say America Isn't
- Long-term survey reveals Chinese government satisfaction
- Helping 800 Million People Escape Poverty Was Greatest Such Effort in History, Says [UN] Secretary-General, on Seventieth Anniversary of China’s Founding
- China’s Energy Use Per Person Surpasses Europe’s for First Time
- At 54, China’s average retirement age is too low
- China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data
Where you got “fascist” and “dictator” from was a lifetime of Western anti-communist propaganda.
At 54, China’s average retirement age is too low
The Economistsmol_beans
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in reply to PalmTreeIsBestTree • • •Basic Glitch
in reply to SmilingSolaris • • •I feel like the Taiwanese air force wouldn't bother with these unofficial patches if there weren't at least some truth to it.
A punch in the face for Xi caricature: Taiwan air force badge goes viral
comfy
in reply to Basic Glitch • • •I don't see the logic in this sentence. What makes those soldiers a more reliable source than you or me? Taiwanese people read memes too.
Basic Glitch
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in reply to KimBongUn420 • • •😂 so anyway, who is the aggressor?
With Love,
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in reply to nomoretrdsssss • • •🤔 Interesting.
China Military Calls for Efforts to Repair Image after Scandals
Got any hot takes about this army?
Grerkol
in reply to Basic Glitch • • •I don't think many people are gonna have "hot takes" based on a vaguely titled article behind a paywall.
Also "scandals" to do with the Chinese military have little to do with someone saying that Taiwanese military badges don't prove anything about the situation in China.
Basic Glitch
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Least incognito sinophobe
electric_nan
in reply to Basic Glitch • • •IttihadChe
in reply to Basic Glitch • • •Well you are foolish if you really think this proves anything. There is a long history of anti-China movements catering to the west for sympathy, as that's their main backer. Protest signs in English and this are just part of an appeal to the west.
All this proves is that they have heard the same stupid memes you have.
Basic Glitch
in reply to IttihadChe • • •MisterFrog
in reply to Lunar • • •I think the top comment is the real answer on this.
There is censorship in China, as well as in the west. They just operate very differently.
In the west, outside the US, I think it'd be fairly easy to argue there's more censorship in China. (Even with the pretty depressing clamp down on right to protest, and suppressing of anti-israel speech in many forms happening at the moment)
Equally though, people massively overblow what censorship is actually like in China. I'm not gonna get disappeared next time I go to China just for this comment. Or even if I overtly criticised the government on real-name social media.
tl;dr "China bad!" and "China so good!" are both equally annoying positions to find on the internet.
Reality is nuanced, but that doesn't seem to make people happy.
tempest
in reply to MisterFrog • • •mathemachristian[he]
in reply to MisterFrog • • •any source on this because what I'm seeing on xiaohongshu is quite the opposite
FleetwoodLinux
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in reply to MisterFrog • • •MisterFrog
in reply to ballgoat • • •Top comment is about how Chinese censorship is not overt, but behind the scenes to stop your speech from spreading. It's definitely censorship, but no one is going to arrest you for criticising the government online (to a point), they'll just stop you from reaching others with your message.
I'm just saying that there definitely is censorship, just not what some "China Bad" people imagine.
My comment was in opposition to the "China Good" crowd who also pretend like everything bad said about China is not true.
Reality is inbetween, in my opinion. It's a country with good and bad points.
ballgoat
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in reply to ☂️- • • •No, it's a double edged sword, it is.
Again, no. I only have so much room on my phone for corny-ass-mostly-lazy-spoiled-shits; mainly cats.
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in reply to ☂️- • • •Yeah, I'd be fine with it.. but honestly Cats take the hardest advantages from me out of any species I've come across.
I do like them very much, though. I'll consider it.
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