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LAPD Eyes ‘GeoSpy’, an AI Tool That Can Geolocate Photos in Seconds

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LAPD Eyes ‘GeoSpy’, an AI Tool That Can Geolocate Photos in Seconds

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The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) has shown interest in using GeoSpy, a powerful AI tool that can pinpoint the location of photos based on features such as the soil, architecture, and other identifying features, according to emails obtained by 404 Media. The news also comes as GeoSpy’s founder shared a video showing how the tool can be used in relation to undocumented immigrants in sanctuary cities, and specifically Los Angeles.
The emails provide the first named case of a law enforcement agency showing clear interest in the tool. GeoSpy can also let law enforcement determine what home or building, down to the specific address, a photo came from, in some cases including photos taken inside with no windows or view of the street.
“Let’s start with one seat/license (me),” an October 2024 email from an LAPD official to Graylark Technologies, the company behind GeoSpy, reads. The LAPD official is from the agency’s Robbery-Homicide division, according to the email. 404 Media obtained the emails through a public records request with the LAPD.
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LAPD Eyes ‘GeoSpy’, an AI Tool That Can Geolocate Photos in Seconds
Emails obtained by 404 Media show the LAPD was interested in GeoSpy, an AI tool that can quickly figure out where a photo was taken.
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Snot Flickerman

in reply to ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆ • 1 mese fa • •

AI this, AI that, why not just hire that geoguessr guy?

What's up with this straight up pro-china and pro-russia stuff on Lemmy lately?

It's not even praising the people of China and Russia, but rather their gov directly.

Obviously the states have problems, and the EU to a lesser degree, but they at least have some human rights.

Is this some kind of organized disinformation campaign?

#asklemmy

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lmfao hooman rights is when you do genocide and jail people protesting it

Unionized Workers At Arkane, A Microsoft-Owned Studio, Demand That Microsoft Divest From Israel’s ‘Sinister Project For Gaza’ - Aftermath

"We think that Microsoft has no place being accomplice of a genocide"

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Unionized Workers At Arkane, A Microsoft-Owned Studio, Demand That Microsoft Divest From Israel’s ‘Sinister Project For Gaza’ - Aftermath

"We think that Microsoft has no place being accomplice of a genocide"

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Unionized Workers At Arkane, A Microsoft-Owned Studio, Demand That Microsoft Divest From Israel’s ‘Sinister Project For Gaza’ - Aftermath

"We think that Microsoft has no place being accomplice of a genocide"

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Crackhappy

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It's been 30 years, but I still read it as "Un Ionized". Damn you Mr. Johnson, my high school chemistry teacher!

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7355608

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As much as I want this to build into something that causes sought after divestment. The cynic that I am expects that some bean counter is going to report that Genocide is more profitable.

I also fully expect those employees that bravely stood up for this cause will find themselves laid-off in the coming weeks for completely unrelated reasons.

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Headaches with signal propagation when piping in a Docker container

Recently at work I've been thrown into running some Python scripts in a Docker container (all previous Docker-experience is limited to pulling images from container registries to host some stuff at home). It's a fairly simple script, but I want to do two things simultaneously that I have so far been unable to accomplish: redirecting some prints to a file while also allowing the script to run a cleanup process when it gets a SIGTERM. I'm posting this here because I think this is mainly signal handling thing in Linux, but maybe it's more Docker specific (or even Docker Swarm)?

I'm not on my work computer now, but the entrypoint in the Dockerfile is basically something like this:

ENTRYPOINT ['/bin/bash', '-c', 'python', 'my_script.py', '|', 'tee', 'some_file.txt']

Once I started piping, the signal handling in my script stopped working when the containers were shut down. If I understood it correctly it's because tee becomes the main process (or at least the main child of the main process which is bash?) and Python is deferred to the background and thus never gets the signal to terminate gracefully. But surely there must be some elegant way to make sure it also gets it?

And yes, I understand I can rewrite my script to handle this directly, and that is my plan for work tomorrow, but I want to understand this better to broaden my Linux-knowledge. But my head was spinning after reading up on this (I got lost at trap), and I was hoping someone here had a succinct explanation on what is going on under the hood here?

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frongt

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Modify the python script to include the new behavior.

I've never created a custom docker container, but I'm pretty sure you should make the entry point python itself, too.

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cyberwolfie

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But I don't actually know what the new behavior is. I think it is that it never receives a termination signal, and is then just killed instead, and if that is the case, how can I modify it do catch that?

What I intend to do tomorrow is to rewrite all the output (which I had hoped to avoid having to do for this) to write directly to a log file instead of trying to capture the print statements for this initially "only-meant-for-me" piece of code. That way I won't have to do anything but run the Python script and it should receive the termination signal as intended. But as I said, I would still like to understand what is going on.

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frongt

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Yeah, I mean writing to a file. Do that in python, don't wrap a script with more script.

You're probably right about the process handling being the cause, but I wouldn't worry about that and just do it right the first time.

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bigredgiraffe

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I think you already decided what I would have recommended (just write to a log file in your python script) but I wanted to hopefully help with the rest of the question hah.

So the first thing to remember is that a pipe (|) in Linux is a unidirectional data channel that passes stdout from the left command the right command’s stdin and this is its only function. Also notable is that exit status of a pipeline is the exit status of the last command in the pipeline (unless the pipefail option is enabled but this isn’t the behavior you wanted either), this is what is available in $? as well immediately after the pipe exits in a script, problem with that is that tee can exit successfully while the previous command failed because it did its job redirecting output.

To get the behavior you are after you would probably need to write a script that does the signal handling or it might work if you use exec to wrap your python+tee command in your dockerfile because then the bash process will get replaced by python or tee, I’m not sure which or how tee will interact with exec without testing though.

Anyway, hope that helps, here are the docs on pipe which are worth a read. In fact when double checking something just now, I learned I can do |& today instead of 2>&1 | which is neat hah!

Edit: I forgot to mention, signal handing in docker is a whole other animal so depending on how you are specifically running it the behavior and signals might not be what is expected or the same as running the commands outside of docker.

Great article about it: medium.com/@gchudnov/trapping-…

Repost if you can’t read it on medium: cloudbees.com/blog/trapping-si…

Trapping signals in Docker containers

Trapping signals in Docker containers Have you ever stopped a Docker container? There are essentially two commands: `docker stop` and `docker kill` that can be used to stop it. Behind the scenes …

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Jumuta

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isn't the argument after bash -c supposed to be one string of the command to be run?

e.g.
bash -c "echo hello"

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cyberwolfie

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Oh yeah, then that is how it really is. The script runs fine, the output is correctly piped, but it is just the signal handling that doesn't work.

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Archaeologists Uncover Majestic Eastern Baths in Ancient Roman Ilici

After nearly a decade of meticulous research, the archaeological team from the University of Alicante (UA) has

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Russia has withstood sanctions – Maduro

Venezuelan leader has denounced Western policies of economic blockade and forced restrictions

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The most utilitarian vehicle

Captions cannot make this image any justice

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Remember_the_tooth

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What make and model is it?

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ChaoticNeutralCzech

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GAZ 452

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eldavi

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are you sure it's not a gaz floaty boy? lol

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Remember_the_tooth

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No, that's a common misconception. It's a gaz water bro. You can tell by the chines on the hull.

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Remember_the_tooth

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Thanks!

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temmink

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UAZ-452/УАЗ-452 (via reverse image search)

First generation of Russian off-road military minibus by «UAZ».

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Remember_the_tooth

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Thanks! I forgot we can do that. I'll try not to ask people to search things for me when I have the tools.

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Saleh

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I remember in Battlefield 3 the Gaz jeep could swim, but only one map actually had the jeep amd water.

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Remember ChInA EvIL

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Lumidaub

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Been a while since I heard anyone call China "~~our~~ the biggest threat". Come to think of it, I don't remember ever hearing that.

Edit: the, not our. Makes no ultimate difference.

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freagle

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What are you talking about?

fbi.gov/investigate/counterint…

pewresearch.org/short-reads/20…

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_…

thedefensepost.com/2025/03/26/…

voanews.com/a/vice-presidentia…

Vice presidential nominee Vance calls China 'biggest threat to our country'

In his short time in US Senate, Vance has been a hawk on China

^{Lin Yang (Voice of America (VOA News))}

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Cowbee [he/they]

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I hear it all the time from the US gov and from liberals.

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StinkyFingerItchyBum

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A repost again. Let's see if this comment gets deleted like last time. The irony of censoring a comment on free speech is lost on bigots, but still funny.

China: Democracy and Free Speech are our greatest threat.

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freagle

in reply to StinkyFingerItchyBum • 1 mese fa • •

Democracy: China is constantly evolving it's democratic mechanisms, currently referred to as whole process democracy. In the West you can change the party but not the policies. In China you can change the policies but not the party.

Free Speech: defending the KKK with arguments for free speech is not the high minded position you think it is. Free speech includes fascism, cultism, chauvinism, and neoliberalism. Working against those things is a perennial obligation of any liberatory movement.

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Cowbee [he/they]

in reply to StinkyFingerItchyBum • 1 mese fa • •

I'll repost my response, then:

The opposite is true, actually.

According to the most recent report (2024), people in China have overwhelmingly positive views of their political system. 92% of people say that democracy is important to them, 79% say that their country is democratic, 91% say that the government serves the interests of most people (rather than a small group), and 85% say all people have equal rights before the law. Furthermore, China outperforms the US and most European countries on these indicators – in fact, it has some of the strongest results in the world. The figure below compares China’s results to those from the US, France and Britain. These results may help explain the high levels of satisfaction with government reported by the Ash Center.

Studies show strong public support for China’s political system

Conventional narratives in the West hold that the government in China lacks popular legitimacy and only retains power through coercion.

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ssillyssadass

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China: political dissidents are our biggest threat

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freagle

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China doesn't spend that much time on political dissidents in comparison to the US. The US has been chasing Assange and Snowden for decades now, they have Manning in prison probably for life, they had Peltier in prison until he was basically at deaths door. And they constantly renew and redouble their efforts to attack these dissidents. Meanwhile in China they spend way more effort on reducing the number of billionaires than they do reducing the number of political dissidents.

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Cowbee [he/they]

in reply to ssillyssadass • 1 mese fa • •

Not really, billionaires are kept in check. Corruption was a big issue in the 2000s, but the majority of the opportunists were already purged. At the same time, the PRC has dedicated a huge portion of its economy to electrification and green energy, as well as combatting desertification.

China is also quite democratic, which is why it takes climate change seriously:

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MyBrainHurts

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China: Democracy, incorrect thought, Taiwan and Uyghurs are our biggest threats.

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freagle

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Incorrect Thought: yes defending the KKK with arguments for free speech is not the high minded position you think it is. Incorrect Thought includes fascism, cultism, chauvinism, and neoliberalism. Working against those things is a perennial obligation of any liberatory movement.

Taiwan: China does not see Taiwan as a threat at all. They see the US and UK as a threat and they see Taiwan as a vulnerability. Not the least of which because the US has openly published strategy documents detailing the Pacific Kill Chain which projects lethal nuclear force at China and it uses Taiwan as the key component of that kill chain.

Uyghurs: Uyghurs aren't a threat, Uyghur terrorists trained by the US as part of their never ending program of training terrorists and radicalizing people - that's the threat. Uyghurs in China who are not connected to the terrorist trainings are for the most part completely unaffected by China's de-escalation program. And China's de-escalation program has worked incredibly well when you look at the raw numbers of terrorist attacks Xinjiang over the last decade.

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Cowbee [he/they]

in reply to MyBrainHurts • 1 mese fa • •

Chinese citizens both think democracy is important at higher rates than the west, and believes their country to be democratic and represent their interests fairly at much higher rates than the west:

Taiwan isn't a threat to the PRC, and neither is Xinjiang nor the Uyghurs living there and elsewhere.

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Havald

in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • 1 mese fa • •

And in this one by the European union they rank themselves lower or equal to western countries. As well as ranking low on things like freedom of speech and separation of power.

Perceived democracy survey by the EU 2025

One survey, be it from the EU or Harvard doesn't really prove anything. If you want to convince people then you should find a meta analysis.

Democracy Perception Index 2025 | Capacity4dev

💻📄 In an era of rising political polarization, geopolitical instability, and declining trust in democratic institutions, the Democracy Perception Index 2025 offers the largest global study on how citizens perceive democracy in practice.

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Cowbee [he/they]

in reply to Havald • 1 mese fa • •

That survey acknowledges that different countries see democracy differently, both in what it is and what the purpose of democracy is. The EU, for example, says it's about "protecting individual rights and freedoms," while China says it's about "improving living standards and well-being."

The kicker is that they specifically ask questions surrounding how well a country abides by liberal, capitalist democracy while not asking how well a country abides by socialist democracy! As you admit, they focus on concepts like "separation of powers," or "freedom of the private press," or "political pluralism," as well as "peaceful transition of power." This fundamentally is meant to disqualify socialist concepts of democracy, focused on cooperation, cohesion, social unity, rule by the common people, and limiting of the powers of the wealthy over society.

Ultimately, both polls are accurate. What's dishonest is the EU poll framing democracy purely in a liberal manner. It isn't a survey about democracy, it's a survey about how well a country abides by Eurocentric, liberal democracy. This isn't an example of polls conflicting each other, when polled in a manner that reflects how well society represents the interests of the common person, the poll I cited is a much better reflection.

You may need to work on your media literacy.

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Havald

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freedom of the private press

I apologise but my media literacy is so bad I can't find where press is even mentioned in the document. The closest I could find is freedom of speech but those are two different things.

As you admit, they focus on concepts like "separation of powers," or "freedom of the private press," or "political pluralism," as well as "peaceful transition of power." This fundamentally is meant to disqualify socialist concepts of democracy, focused on cooperation, cohesion, social unity, rule by the common people, and limiting of the powers of the wealthy over society.

How do those "fundamentally disqualify" democracies that focus on "cooperation, cohesion, social unity, rule by the common people and limiting the powers of the wealthy over society"?

I would have thought that separation of powers makes it easier to limit the power of the wealthy. Does that concept impede cohesion, cooperation, social unity or rule by the common people in any way? How can the common people have any chance to rule if you don't have courts that make sure the law is upheld by the powerful?

In my very limited worldview political pluralism plays a pivotal role in establishing a functioning socialist democracy. Yes, having many differing opinions on any given topic slows the decision making process down. However, how can you expect the marginalized to be represented in any way if you don't have a party representing them? But I guess if you educate your people properly then even in a population of 1.4 billion people everyone's political opinions can be represented by a single party.

As for peaceful transition of power, how is that bad exactly?

Since we're cherry picking questions here, how do "government transparency", " freedom of speech" or "rule of law" prohibit the rule of the common people? I would think that they only help strengthen the common people? How are they at odds with any of the other socialist concepts you mentioned?

Please excuse my stupid questions, as you mentioned, my media literacy is terrible so I don't even understand these really basic concepts.

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Cowbee [he/they]

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In the section on how democratic a country is, it says "freedom of the press," which is taken to mean freedom of the private press as that's what isn't very high in China.

As for why things like allowing the private press to way whatever they want even as they are funded by the wealthy, political pluralism, etc, the concept of a state that changes hands constantly or is fractured and led by factions is more of a liberal thing. Socialist countries tend to have one major party and perhaps a few other special interest parties, because the goal is unity and cohesion.

That doesn't mean there's no room for discussion either, in fact that becomes far more important because it doesn't become a party v party issue but one that anyone can give their input on. Same with separation of powers, there is room for specialization, but the idea that government needs to be hostile to itself to function is more liberal.

"Peaceful transition of power" in the context of the PRC means the bourgeoisie can succeed in ousting the CPC, in a country where class struggle is definitely very alive you have to limit that.

Gov transparency isn't the worst metric, but it also isn't what makes something democratic. Freedom of speech in the context of a socialist country that still has a capitalist class means freedom for the bourgeoisie to mouth off and destabilize the system, so in practice it's typically billionaires like Jack Ma that are oppressed. Rule of Law isn't bad, but it has little to do with democracy.

All in all, all of these are things Europeans describe democracy as, but the very word means "rule by the people," meaning different countries have different views on what that looks like. The questionaire seems to benefit one where the press is freely dominated by billionaires, where there is endless squabbling in government between parties vying for power, etc while not allowing democratic one party states to be seen as democratic even if the people believe it to represent their interests.

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zjti8eit

in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • 1 mese fa • •

But that's none of those things are democracy. Democracy is rule by the majority. Whether you get individual rights, social protection, or something else is all dependent on who makes up that majority.

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Cowbee [he/they]

in reply to zjti8eit • 1 mese fa • •

Sure, the PRC has rule by the majority. It's definitionally democratic. The EU poll specifically tested for liberal models of democracy designed to give more freedom for capitalists and work against social cohesion.

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vatlark

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Super interesting survey, thanks for sharing.

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Shady_Shiroe

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I still don't like the social credit thing, but I at the same time I wouldnt mind moving to Sweden from the US if I had the chance

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Cowbee [he/they]

in reply to Shady_Shiroe • 1 mese fa • •

The social credit system is really overblown, it isn't extensive and it's more for businesses to prevent tax evasion and whatnot.

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freagle

in reply to Shady_Shiroe • 1 mese fa • •

You don't even understand the social credit thing. You have no idea what it is, how much of it is real versus propaganda, and how it differs from the credit score system in the US.

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NotMushroomForDebate

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Just FYI, .world users can't see replies from lemmygrad accounts.

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freagle

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Oh ...

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mathemachristian[he]

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Sweden also has the credit score thing

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Shady_Shiroe

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Oh wow I wasn't aware, I have only been to Sweden and Finland for a day each on a Cruise trip my friends dragged me on

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GissaMittJobb

in reply to Shady_Shiroe • 4 settimane fa • •

To clarify - Sweden has a lesser variant of the U.S credit score system, but it differs in some important ways. For example, you don't have to get a credit card to 'build credit' - you are assumed to be in good standing unless you have unusual ratios of debt and so on.

Sweden does not have a social credit score system.

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mathemachristian[he]

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yeah, but swedens credit score is still worse than chinas social score system

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Jonas

in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • 1 mese fa • •

dont you think thats a result of the Chinese propaganda-machine?

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Cowbee [he/they]

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No, I don't. China doesn't have a more effective propaganda machine than western countries.

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freagle

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Do you really think you could propagandize a billion people with 55 distinct and recognized cultural groups speaking different languages after having nearly every single communication appartus totally destroyed in a civil war 75 years ago while England and the US, who have uninterrupted propaganda operations that go back centuries have been deploying their empire's propaganda against China since the Opium Wars?

No. Absolutely not. You imagine that China has deep propaganda control over a billion lemmings because your propaganda system is so strong it's convinced you of something so ridiculous.

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Jonas

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how did you escape the matrix?

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freagle

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A lot of reading, listening, arguing with people I disagreed with, forcing myself to contend with discomfort, to reexamine my beliefs, trying to disprove what others were saying or writing, and lots and lots of time.

I was already a relatively well-read kid by the time I hit college, and I had some counter cultura approaches to political beliefs (like taking care of people being more important than raw profit), but I was fully invested in the American project and had a ton of unexamined racism, mysoginy, classism, and cultural appropriation that I just replicated without question.

I studied philosophy and my particular path through that degree forced me to develop not only the ability but the respect for the process of arguing something from multiple perspectives equally well (or aspiring to that as best we can). So by the end of college I was committed to taking up the best version of anything I disagreed with so I could understand it better but also to boost my ego so I could defeat it more soundly.

But "no go" zones always bothered me. For example, we studied the classic skeptics Descartes and Hume, but never responded to them once. We simply examined how their skepticism led to the impossibility of knowledge and then just never solved it. Worse, whenever someone used an argument that was sufficiently skeptical, it was met with "well that just leads to solipsism". That bothers me as it's not a refutation. What bothered me more was the position that if anyone used arguments from solipsism that we could just dismiss them as bad faith and ignore what they had to say.

That particular aspect of my path built this sort of vigiliance for these "no go" zones of thought and I saw them popping up all over the place. If a Republican said something, some people would immediately dismiss it without examining it at all, and the same would be true for different people if a Democrat said something. The same was true if a Chinese or Russian report made a claim. The same was true about satanists, communists, addicts, and many others.

These were far more numerous than people arguing strong skepticism. And the positions being discussed didn't threaten all possible knowledge or the existence of reality, but they did threaten deeply held personal beliefs.

So, overtime, when I witnessed someone else saying "well, that's pro-China so it can't be trusted at all", I slowly started to examine these things. And then I found myself saying the same thing - "oh you're a communist, you can't be trusted with anything you say".

That's when I realized I had some built-in problems. And it was about that time I started to question my long held beliefs that I wasn't racist, that I wasn't sexist, that I wasn't mysoginst. And that was really hard. It took years of stop and start, years of resisting the evidence, years of not paying attention because it made me uncomfortable.

But eventually 2020 happened, I was forced to slow down, I had far fewer social connections reinforcing my behavior and beliefs, and the national discourse at the time gave me huge opportunities to "argue it from the other side" and examine what was really going on. And that was a hell of a ride. Anger, depression, rage, resentment, just everything came up. But my commitment to earnest engagement with ideas and reality and facts and history forced me through the process.

There were distinct periods where (1) I believed the USA was the greatest country in the world and also I and most of the people I knew were not racist, mysoginst, and white supremacist, and then (2) the USA was the greatest country in the world with some problems and I can see how I have unconscious racism but I can fix that and I'm not mysoginst or white supremacist and most of the people I know are not either, and then (3) the USA is a pretty bad actor but at least it's better than Russia, China, DPRK, Cuba, Iran, etc and racism is actually a system not a personal moral failing and while I can work against it I have been raised in this way and also wow ok I realize now that mysoginy is insidious and embedded in so many of my ways of relating to the world but I can work on that and then (4) oh wow the US is the evil empire and racism and mysoginy and white supremacy are actually these massive historical processes that I haven't even begun to wrestle with and I actually can't really say anything about them until I really dig in and am willing to be wrong in ways that makes me sick to my stomach....

And my process is still ongoing now, but, this is maybe a long winded story about how I escaped the matrix.

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mathemachristian[he]

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I should think western propaganda is more effective and yet look at how unhappy eperyone is. You cant just propagandize people into a feeling of happiness.

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Omnipitaph

in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • 1 mese fa • •

I'mma be honest, if I was living in a country where it was common knowledge that slandering the government in anyway got you disappeared, I'd rate them highly on any study put in front of me :/

I know I'm going to have comments telling me I don't know what I'm talking about, and that's ok. I've enough friends in China, and from China, who have talked about this kind of thing to understand that this graph could represent the feelings of the people, but likely doesn't.

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Cowbee [he/they]

in reply to Omnipitaph • 1 mese fa • •

You don't get "disappeared" for "slandering the government in any way." That's a very western framing of cracking down on capitalists that get out of line and try to undermine the socialist government. You have your anecdotal evidence, I also speak with Chinese citizens, and they more often than not do agree with the graph.

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Reality_Suit

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China is building the worlds largest dam that is going to cut off a huge amount of water to India.

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freagle

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The US has done this pretty deliberately as part of their genocide of the indigenous peoples. China and India are in peer conversations as sovereigns and negotiating their differences as equals.

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the_q

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The World: the people in power are our biggest threat

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Cowbee [he/they]

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Depends on where you are, some governments are better than others, and the people are in power.

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Deifyed

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If China is so great, why the constant need for propaganda?

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Cowbee [he/they]

in reply to Deifyed • 1 mese fa • •

If China is so bad, why the constant need for propaganda?

Ultimately, all media pushing a narrative is propaganda. Propaganda isn't bad in and of itself, it can be used to push good messaging and good information. The reason why there's strong pushes for pro-China sentiment from the left is because right now, in the west, the majority sentiment is anti-PRC based on US State Department narratives.

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Deifyed

in reply to Cowbee [he/they] • 1 mese fa • •

I see way more "China is good"-propaganda than any other nation or group of nations

Edit: they are also quick to downvote, delete my comment or ban me when I write things like this

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Cowbee [he/they]

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Depends on the space you're in.

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freagle

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Have you ever seen a super cut on YouTube of 50 US news stations literally repeating the exact same line over and over and over again?

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CityPop

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China: These islands belonging to our peaceful small neighbors are our biggest threat.

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brucethemoose

in reply to bubblybubbles • 4 settimane fa • •

Do people in China really think this?

Turn on Fox News, or Left comedy shows. Or major influencers.

The Americans biggest threat is… Americans. Specifically the other side. I haven’t heard mega conservative or mega liberal family, or anyone, even utter the word “China” in a while. Honestly the only place I see it now is finance news, and they are just jawboning to move stocks anyway.

Trump and senators do say it sometimes I guess, but TBH it’s mostly on deaf or bored ears.

Can’t speak for the UK, but I imagine they are starting to look across the pond with worry.

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Except the anchor that is America will keep fossil fuels going forever.

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Devolution

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Oh come on! Cheetolini knows best that fossil fuels are the future. All this woke green energy talk.

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Gaming on Linux hasn't been great so far...

tl;dw their performance numbers don't match up to what we've seen in the past. Some pretty significant decreases in performance over Windows. I think there's clearly some sort of configuration error there. They also ran into the old dual-boot problem where Windows overwrites the Linux partition.

In my opinion this is lazy and irresponsible reporting. I don't at all mean to discount his experience, they are legitimate concerns, and it's fine to show the struggles of using Linux, but it's very clear he (admittedly) doesn't know what he's doing, and they need to consult an expert (or even a casual user) to figure out what the problem is before reporting. He said in the last video that Bazzite reached out to him to let them know if he has any problems so they could help but he obviously did not do that. As is, it just makes Linux/Bazzite look bad.

I hope he follows up with another video discussing the solutions.

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TabbsTheBat

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¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯ average non-linux tech youtuber video. Something goes wrong on windows = user error, something goes bad on linux = OS fault

They also ran into the old dual-boot problem where Windows overwrites the Linux partition.

This one kinda makes me laugh tho. Other than work I don't know why people would put up with that level of bullshitery from an OS

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Cenzorrll

in reply to TabbsTheBat • 1 mese fa • •

The fact that M$ forced uefi on everyone then couldn't implement it properly on their own and does this fuckery instead, should make it very clear the quality of the rest of their work.

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JcbAzPx

in reply to Cenzorrll • 1 mese fa • •

It's not like it was an accident or that they didn't know what they were doing. This is working as intended as far as they're concerned.

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Ep1cFac3pa1m

in reply to TabbsTheBat • 1 mese fa • •

That’s why I put my Windows install and my Linux install on separate drives. I understand that not everyone has two drives to do this, but to anyone who does, it can save some headaches.

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lightnsfw

in reply to Ep1cFac3pa1m • 1 mese fa • •

I did that and windows still somehow fucked up my secure boot enrollment for Bazzite when I did an update.

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Ep1cFac3pa1m

in reply to lightnsfw • 1 mese fa • •

I don’t have secure boot set up, and I’m afraid to enable it. I’m not sure what it will do to both OSes…

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lightnsfw

in reply to Ep1cFac3pa1m • 1 mese fa • •

I turned it off after that because no matter what I tried I couldn't get my Bazzite install to boot and I ended up having to start over. It did work fine up until then, just had to enroll Bazzite which they had instructions for on their site. Not sure it's worth it to have it on though when things like that can happen, if I'd been able to fix it I probably would have kept it.

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Ep1cFac3pa1m

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I never really even thought about it until I tried to play the BF6 beta and it told me to fuck off. I’m not crazy about kernel level anti-cheat anyway, so it might just be my excuse to keep my money instead of giving it to EA.

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poVoq

in reply to Ulrich • 1 mese fa • •

Their critic seem fair? Sure the benchmarks are a bit unfortunate for Linux because all except Cyberpunk 2077 are games not very popular and not optimized well in Proton, but they don't seem to have selected them specifically to make Linux look bad.

And the boot error... well yes those things sometimes happen, especially when you dual boot and are a Linux noob 🤷

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Ulrich

in reply to poVoq • 1 mese fa • •

I didn't suggest that it was unfair. I said it was lazy and irresponsible.

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JillyB

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How? The point is to show the average windows gamer what the experience might be like to switch to Linux. They did that.

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Ulrich

in reply to JillyB • 1 mese fa • •

Again, please read the OP.

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DreamButt

in reply to Ulrich • 1 mese fa • •

I think part of the issue is people don't remember all of the little tricks they've learned over the years getting windows to work for them. So when they find Linux and have to learn a whole bag of them it feels like it's not worth it compared to something that "just works" (in their mind anyway)

Duel booting definitely isn't a viable strategy for most people imho. The best situation would be seeing crappy everyday laptops sold in bestbuy or whatever with either windows or some gaming configured Linux. People shouldn't have to think about the OS as much as possible

Prebuilts and preconfigured systems are where most people live. It's also often where most gamers start before diving into something more sophisticated for the sake of things like performance

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Mactan

in reply to DreamButt • 1 mese fa • •

"all the little tricks" so damn true. meet a lot of first timers that dispense with any preconceptions and won't even right click files to see what options are available

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esteemedtogami

in reply to Ulrich • 1 mese fa • •

This is a shame to see. I haven't watched Jay recently because I feel like his content has kind of gone the Linus route of being more entertainment focused vs a channel like GN where they have very strict and regimented testing methodology. Even as entertainment though, I think this needelessly smears Bazzite. His experience is valid, but the conclusion being "the OS's fault" or "Linux not being there yet" is kinda harmful. Yes, kernal level anti-cheat is a huge problem. But as a lifelong Windows user who myself converted last year and has not had to go back because all the games I want to play work, my experience has been that my games run better through Proton than they do natively on Windows. I hope there's a followup at some point soon where he tries again with a fresh install on its own drive. Even if the reporting isn't scientific (it doesn't have to be), I would expect his experience to be better.

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the_q

in reply to Ulrich • 1 mese fa • •

It's so weird that people with a huge platform can't seem to get Linux right, but tons of us Joe Schmos have no problems.

geneva_convenience doesn't like this.

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LoreSoong

in reply to the_q • 1 mese fa • •

I think people just don't remember how long it took them to "learn" windows. they were forced to because there was no viable alternative. also Im sure these tech tubers don't enjoy feeling stupid in front of their audience. I would not be surprised if comments like this are huge jabs to the ego of someone like linus or jay.

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hobowillie

in reply to Ulrich • 1 mese fa • •

A few months ago, I switched from gaming on Windows to full time gaming on Linux. I have the same hardware for both but my Linux gaming experience is much jankier than it was on Windows. I have more available resources (Mint is much leaner than 11, even with cutting out Windows bloat), but games have odd hang ups and crashes that never happened before my switch.

Discord also works poorer in Linux, so I have to mess with that during gaming sessions as well. It worked much better after I removed the version I installed through snap but now I have to manually download and install an update every time it wants an update, which is frequently. Discord definitely worked better on Windows.

Also, my buddy and I built identical gaming computers at the same time and he stayed on Windows. My computer will crash or stutter on lower settings in games while his doesn't at the default detected settings, which are usually higher since I had to back mine off to ward off the issues.

That all said, it feels like I am gaming on XP in 2003-4. Games mostly work but GPU (NVIDIA) drivers are a pain in the ass and I occasionally have to do some troubleshooting to get things to work and and deal with crashes that I did not have before the switch.

I think the switch is for the best overall but I won't pretend like Linux gaming is equal (or better) to gaming on Windows. I am learning a ton about Linux but overall, out of the box, I miss Windows features and accessories and Linux needs a lot more configuration to do the same things. And even then, it is still not at the same quality for quite a few features.

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msmc101

in reply to hobowillie • 1 mese fa • •

GPU (NVIDIA) drivers are a pain

hmmmm i wonder what the issue could be

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Demdaru

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Doesn't matter for everyday Joe ^^ Linux ain't just workin -> it just ain't worth it

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LoreSoong

in reply to msmc101 • 1 mese fa • •

Nvidia gpus are in a huge amount of PCs out there right now. many users are going to make the switch to linux not knowing about the closed source drivers. yes its obviously Nvidias fault but dont be so brazenly "WELL DUH" when most people arent going to buy a new GPU just to test out an different OS. or even think to buy from a particular company due to business practices that only affect people on linux.

that being said im currently on a Nvidia GPU and for the most part Im having minimal issues. If @hobowillie needs some help I will gladly offer my limited knowledge but I understand if you've given up on Linux for the foreseeable future.

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hobowillie

in reply to LoreSoong • 4 settimane fa • •

My issues are also fairly minimal. I do have crashes and stutters I did not have before switching to Linux, but they have been manageable and (mostly) isolated events.

I had issues with Warhammer 40,000: Darktide the most but the issues seem to have mostly subsided and I don't play that game all that much, anyhow. It was the one I had to really knock back settings and turn things off that were on by default to make it work reliably.

I had the most trouble with Dune: Awakening but that is a Funcom game and people were reporting similar issues on Windows to what I was having. But notably, my friend with the exact same hardware was not experiencing those issues. But we synced our settings and seem to have similar performance now that Funcom has released a handful of patches and hotfixes for the game.

I do have issues where, when powering on my computer, it will have one of my 2 monitors (usually the primary one) just flashing red, green, and blue in order on the screen until I restart it. Sometimes the screen comes up completely distorted. But my other monitor is fine and I just restart the computer and it's fine. If you have any ideas for that, I'd love to hear them. It happens maybe 1 in 10 start ups and only really inconveniences me for like 30s but it'd be nice to know why it's doing that. It seems to happen more right after driver updates.

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LoreSoong

in reply to hobowillie • 4 settimane fa • •

The only thing i can think of that would cause youre monitor issue would be not having nvidia-drm enabled in the kernel params. The stutters and what not, might just be the games themselves and their compatibility with the version of proton you use. I highly recommend testing It with proton-ge if you havent before. In my experience ge(Glorious Eggroll) has the best compatibility with newer titles beyond that you can try the proton-experimental. Contrary to its name the experiemntal branch is fairly stable and fixes alot of games.

For info on getting a specific game running well or checking compatibility before you buy protondb.com is great! users upload their steam launch options for the specific game to enhance or stabilize their experience.

If youre using grub and you dont like using the the terminal or file explorer there is a gui software called grub-customizer that I use to quickly theme and edit kernel params
Note:(Its not exactly smart to use software like this because it essentially has the full control of the pc. Even if its not malicious its still not recomended because it can break things but with proper back ups etc I think its worth it)

Best of luck man! feel free to reach out again for any thing else or more indepth help.

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copygirl

in reply to hobowillie • 1 mese fa • •

Discord also works poorer in Linux

Certainly not Linux' fault if developers write shitty Electron apps and then put a bunch of OS-specific stuff in it.

Also, try Vesktop? I like that I can customize my experience a little more with the plugins.

Snap

All my homies hate Snap.

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hobowillie

in reply to copygirl • 4 settimane fa • •

I didn't say it was any fault of Linux that Discord doesn't work as well. Just that it's a fact that it doesn't work as well, regardless of the reason. It has issues in Windows, too.

I'd never heard of Vesktop. I read up on it a bit and I might swap over to it today if I have some time to work on it.

I was trying out different installation types and Discord was my only foray into Snap. Probably not using it again. haha

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jmankman

in reply to hobowillie • 1 mese fa • •

Discord being worse on Linux is entirely Discord's fault, there has been a thread on their forums for literal years asking for proper support. Just use Vesktop, use it on Windows and Linux, it's a direct upgrade.

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hobowillie

in reply to jmankman • 4 settimane fa • •

I'll check out Vesktop. Will it stream my games/desktop (I use this sporadically depending on with group of friends I'm gaming with) just fine to people using Discord? Can I still use it for quests (very rarely do I do this but the occasional game pops up on there)?

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9488fcea02a9

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Lazy reporting...

Then why post here and get clicks for their shitty youtube channel?

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copygirl

in reply to 9488fcea02a9 • 1 mese fa • •

Haven't watched the video, but I think just the conversation this created ended up being interesting to me. A handful of extra views won't do any harm.

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Ulrich

in reply to 9488fcea02a9 • 1 mese fa • •

Because it's important to know what's being told to his very large audience. If you don't want to watch it, I provided a tl;dw in the OP.

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Redredme

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What I think:

If i install Windows, latest drivers and steam I am set. No need to know what i am doing, no need to consult an expert. Just: Next, next finish, yes yes, sure, here is the soul of my first born, next yes, sure. Fuck off with that edge update. Yes next end.

The moment bootloaders etc can break, whatever the cause, is the moment you lose 60% of your users.

The moment you need to consult an expert to game you lose another 20%.

That's what he's doing. He is not catering or talking to you, the experienced Linux user, he's talking to your nephew who just finished building his first game pc. He's saying: You little guy... don't bother just yet. Get acquainted with everything and then try this.

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Droechai

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Last time I helped my mother with her laptop Windows had ruined her updater and it took me ages to sort out. Win11 is not a user friendly OS out of the box, with horrible experience searching for fixes. On the other hand Linux has a ton of friendly people ready to help or who posts guides (with datestamps!)

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Nemoder

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But what are the odds of having these issues? It's a bit disingenuous to tell a large audience that this is what they can expect if the reality is the problems may only effect one in a thousand.

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msmc101

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reminds of the linus incident. non linux youtubers need to stop making sweeping claims about linux after they fuck it up

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geneva_convenience

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The Linus incident of Linus showing how bad the Linux experience can be?

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LoreSoong

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I find it very interesting that as a windows user, for years learning the OS was this collaborative effort for me and the community at large. Wed google everything, find obscure forums with equally obscure sollutions, and then eventually youtube tutorials. It was always a community educatiing themselves further in infinite directions.

Why does it seem like people dont want this with linux? I get that it might be too slow for some people and they just need something to "work". I see so many people on various comment sections saying "yeah i tried it had issues and switched back" basically the same experience that the video portrayed. Why was that same person able to suffer through windows for 25+years but this is just "too much".

I personally feel that most of the linux community has been a breath of fresh air. I feel stupid sure, but at the same time its rewarding to communicate with others and find a solution.

Even some people within the linux community feel this way, telling users to simply read the man page or the official forums to find solutions rather than teach them to use the man pages and arch wiki for example. Its honestly baffling to me on both ends.

Open question to all: what is your level of profiency? How do you learn about linux? Do you think there is a problem or is it a loud minority of users?

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lightnsfw

in reply to LoreSoong • 1 mese fa • •

For me the problem is with Linux I typically have to go a lot "deeper" to solve issues I have and those issues come up more often. Yes there is documentation available but it isn't always use friendly and I tend to have to spend more time deciphering it than I would for a Windows issue where I can usually find the exact steps I need to take with a quick search (or often just poking around in menus).

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LoreSoong

in reply to lightnsfw • 1 mese fa • •

I see what you are saying, but thats where the collaborative effort comes in. The only reason you are able to get to a solution so efficeintly with windows is because the base level users of windows are more educated in their OS. There is 25+ years of effort from millions of base level or above users. The fact that windows hasnt changed very much since 98 helps alot too, The solutions from all those years ago generally still apply.

Edit: also those solutions are noticed by microsoft and often get implemented directly into the OS.

All that is to say we need YOU, and users like you, to recreate the educational enviorments that seem so second nature to us with windows.

Its a very positive feedback loop we make a forum post "hey I have this issue" and either someone would allready have a solution or youd figure it out with help from the community and update the post with your workaround or fix, etc. This still exists obviously but I feel like we dont appreciate enough how many years of this had to happen before we got to the point we are now with windows.

I can understand not feeling like you have the free time for all of this effort. but to me the only reason we feel that way is because we still have windows as a fallback that works. Where as we didnt see linux or mac os as a viable alternative back then.

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nickwitha_k (he/him)

in reply to LoreSoong • 1 mese fa • •

Open question to all: what is your level of profiency?

I'd say that I'm pretty proficient. I haven't done LFS yet but haven't really spent more than a few mins with windows except for a handful of times for about 15 years. The one time that I did so recently was to try to get a PSVR2 to work. That experience was so awful (driver disks for OS install, ADS FUCKING EVERYWHERE THAT CANNOT BE DISABLED, etc) that I quickly gave up and ended up killing the VM. I'd dinner become a hermit in a cave than abide by OS-level ads that can only be partially disabled by mucking around in the registry.

Sorry. A bit off-topic. I just really hate ads. Erm... I've done some basic tutorials on writing drivers for the kernel and have been working on reverse engineering a driver for some AR glasses, though I've not made it too far.

How do you learn about linux?

My initial learning was because I lost my XP serial in college and decided to give Linux a try. From there, a lot of my learning has been through work, which I got due to my teaching myself how to use Linux.

Do you think there is a problem or is it a loud minority of users?

It's both. I'd say that it really is going to vary based upon the sub-community. Unfortunately, there's a lot of toxicity in the gaming community at large, which, in my experience, is reflected in segments of Linux gaming communities. On the other hand, I just last night saw a bunch of people on Lemmy trying to help someone figure out how to get their new GPU to work, which was very much the opposite of toxic.

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LoreSoong

in reply to nickwitha_k (he/him) • 1 mese fa • •

im with you man, FUCK ads, it was a major motivator moving from windows, as well as DRM and system level 0 anti-cheat.

you answered my second question but not in the way I intended, I meant to ask for more of a methodology like, do you just read the man pages? do you refer to AI? are you just full trial and error? does your work provide resources? Im asking because I generally want to see why its such an issue for people to find info, personally I use a mix of selfhosted AI and various forums and wikis. I wouldn't be supprised if some users are learning 100% through chatgpt or a single youtube channel.

Im experiencing much the same with the community it seems to be a 60-40 whether im going to find actual help or have someone just tell me to RTFM and the people who do care are absolutely kind and absurdly helpful. Your observation about the gaming focused linux community being slightly more on the toxic side is probably an apt assessment. and probably skews the initial proportion of 60-40 to the more to the toxic side where as it would otherwise be something like 80-20 helpful and toxic respectively.

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geneva_convenience

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Linux should work out of the box. Besides installing drivers no effort should be required. Especially with stuff like Bazzite which has all gaming stuff preinstalled.

This is a great and much needed video to show an actual user experience.

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MXX53

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All I know is I finally migrated my gaming desktop to Linux 3 years ago as my last hold out system and the only windows machine I’ve had since 2009. I haven’t noticed anything in terms of reduction in performance. Not to mention the ease of use when compared to getting Debian running on my laptop in 2009.

But more importantly to me, when I click shutdown, my machine shuts down within 5 seconds. When I start up I’m not spammed a million times over with ads and bullshit. And when I update and reboot, my updates are done, no more update, reboot, update some more, reboot, etc.

Let’s say Linux performance is worse than windows (has not been my experience), I would take that and not have all the other bullshit.

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Auth

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Its fine reporting IMO. We had so many switching to linux Ws this year it was about time someone had a subpar experience.

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pineapple

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I agree, if anyone did some surface level research they would quickly find out they should buy a second ssd if they want to dual boot Linux.

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Ulu-Mulu-no-die

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they should buy a second ssd if they want to dual boot Linux

It's actually not necessary, I've been dual-booting on the same system drive for years without any issues at all.

The only thing that's strictly necessary in that case is knowing darn well what you're doing.

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Ulrich

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I don't necessarily expect them to research everything, I just expect them to figure out what happened before reporting it to the public.

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Pebble Time 2 Design Reveal

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Pebble Time 2* Design Reveal

It's real and it's magnificent

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FireWire400

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I'm actually glad I ordered the 2 Duo, not at all fond of this new design.

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Death_Equity

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There is a round version, but it isn't in production.

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FireWire400

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I actually like the rectangular design they had before

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Sagan_Wept

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I think it looks sexy, but to each their own. I still don't think I'll upgrade till pebble 3

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AliasVortex

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The blue/ silver is very striking, I'm excited!

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Bradley Martin - Interviewing A Gym Bro In Gaza, the truth about Gaza.

- YouTube

Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.

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China's green energy boom could spell the end of the fossil fuel age

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ABC News provides the latest news and headlines in Australia and around the world.

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Informative & fortunate.

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Cancer scientist Feng Gensheng leaves US for China as Trump cuts funding

Feng, whose work focuses on liver cancer and immunotherapy, will lead research institute at Shenzhen Bay Laboratory after 40 years abroad.

^{Shi Huang (South China Morning Post)}

#Worldnews

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Are these two rar files malware? (virustotal results)

Does anyone know if these two files are considered malware?
I see a lot of things in the behavior tab that seem suspicious (but then again, I have no idea, and am relatively new/dumb).

Here are the images of the virustotal results I am referring to:

Also, I did see there was an noticeable slowness to my pc after I extracted the rar files (I was in a VM).

Thank you.

#piracy

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frongt

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Unlikely for the rar file itself. The exe seems a little suspicious, so I would scan that file individually. Hard to say without unpacking and examining it.

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Yourname942

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Should I have scanned the extracted folders rather than the rar file itself? (even though it shows network communications and mitre signatures?)

I ran an antivirus outside the VM and nothing was detected luckily. (I had already extracted the rar files, but just scanned the rar itself)

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MangoPenguin

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No it's fine, clearly it did extract the rar file and run everything.

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frongt

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Yes, scan the potential malware directly (exe, dll files). Not all scanners support extracting archives.

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Treasure

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TLDR: I can't say for 100% sure, but there are multiple reasons to believe that this is malware.

Long version: I'm seeing multiple suspicious things here.

The IPs being connected to are part of some hoster and have some abuse reports: abuseipdb.com/check-block/217.…
The domain being resolved is qcloud[.]com, which belongs to Tencent Cloud and definitely not Microsoft.
Other domains in memory like counter-strike[.]com[.]ua are very new and definitely sound fishy.
A standalone version of 7zip is being run and extracts the created rar file with the password "infected". Real alarm bells here.
A lot of the registry actions look like anti-debugging, which does not sound like something an Illustrator Plugin would do.

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MangoPenguin

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There are some suspicious things going on like the qcloud and counter-strike domains, as well as the 7zip extract being run.

I would probably get rid of it.

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Yourname942

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I installed 7zip if that made it appear (not sure if it is the case though) Yeah I may have to just pay for subscriptions with money I can't afford :S

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MangoPenguin

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I suppose you can probably do most things without the plugins too, just more time intensive

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CrackedLinuxISO

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Malware or not, remember to update WinRAR

arstechnica.com/security/2025/…

High-severity WinRAR 0-day exploited for weeks by 2 groups

Exploits allow for persistent backdooring when targets open booby-trapped archive.

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What people think the USA is vs. what it actually is

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Look somebody had to stop Japan from starting up unit 731 and The Rape of Nanjing again.

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Yeah, those were the Red Army and Chinese communists.

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Kiev downplays Putin-Trump summit

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White House to host UFC fight night on 4 July

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Dont fumble to gamble

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A corporate recruiter in Toronto who spent 3 weeks convinced by ChatGPT that he was essentially Tony Stark from Iron Man, agreed to share his transcript after breaking free of the delusion.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/08/technology/ai-chatbots-delusions-chatgpt.html

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The OneXPlayer Super X has been officially teased. Sticking with a similar design to the other X-series devices, it's a convertible gaming handheld but with the AMD Ryzen AI Max+ 395, which brings the powerful Radeon 8060S iGPU.

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Are distros really different or is it more about preference?

I've been working and testing to switch my main PC (used for work like audio recording, music, and general multimedia) and have been playing with Ubuntu Studio on my laptop. Loving it so far but I keep seeing people talk about CachyOS, Bazzite, or the new Debian Trixie.

I'm having trouble finding what's really different about all these distros aside from how they look or slight changes in how they do things (I know Ubuntu Studio has a low latency kernel which seems important for what I need to do). Is there a big difference? Like, if I go with Ubuntu Studio am I gonna end up wiping everything and installing CachyOS or Bazzite or something in a month because it's better? Or are all these distros basically the same thing with a different look and feel and as long as I choose one that gets regular updates, it doesn't matter fundamentally?

I'm trying to grasp the Linux concept but being a Windows user my whole life I'm struggling to 'get it'. Instead of trying to understand in the contex of Windows or Mac, is a better comparison Apple/Android? Like iPhones would be similar to both Mac and Windows (you don't get to choose much) and Android would be Linux (I know it's built on it haha) and it's really just a bunch of different options to do the same thing?

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Kongar

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I’ve said it here before and I’ll continue to say it. All the Linux nerds (myself included) have strong opinions when it comes to distros or x vs Wayland, or flatpak vs repositories, blah blah blah.

But in the end - none of it matters. You could randomly eliminate all options except for one distro - and we’d happily pick that over windows. The trick is that you could make any distro like any other - it’s just that the distro did all the work for you. So pick the one that matches how you want to use your pc.

Maybe the only thing that’s not changeable is the philosophy behind the distro. Debian - older stuff for stability. Arch - bleeding edge rolling release. Fedora somewhere in the middle. You get the idea.

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tyler

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For me it mattered. The majority of distros I tested have had audio or graphical issues (or both). Only bazzite and cachyos have worked straight out of the box.

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relaymoth

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For me, Bluefin as been the only flawless distro.

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tyler

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Yeah and that’s the problem. It does matter which distro and as a result the experience for a noob is horrendous.

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edel

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"Debian - older stuff for stability. Arch - bleeding edge rolling release. Fedora somewhere in the middle." Very true. I would add that then there are a bunch of others that fill the gaps in between. For instance, Ubuntu makes Debian easier and Mint makes Ubuntu more open and TuxedoOS makes Debian/Ubuntu far more up-to-date. Then, CachyOS makes Arch more easy and gamable while Manjaro tries to make Arch more stable. Fedora is a perfect blend but those those that have a beef against Redhat/IBM (USA), OpenSUSE is a perfect blend too of the philosophies of Debian and Arch.

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seralth

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Arch is also just becoming the standard gaming option.

A lot of gaming communities that are migrating over are flowing to the aur for their community tools.

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mnemonicmonkeys

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A lot of gaming communities that are migrating over are flowing to the aur for their community tools.

Wasn't there malware found in the AUR just last week?

For Linux newbs, AUR is the Arch User Repository where anyone can post packages and scripts. It's highly recommended to NOT trust anything on there due to the risk of malware. If you don't use Arch and stick to your distro's application manager you don't have to worry about it

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sic_semper_tyrannis

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I think Fedora KDE is very refined but I stick to Ubuntu bases as there are some little known programs that I use that only have .deb packages unfortunately

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LeFantome

in reply to sic_semper_tyrannis • 1 mese fa • •

Have you heard of Distrobox?

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sic_semper_tyrannis

in reply to LeFantome • 4 settimane fa • •

I've heard the name but don't know what it is. Some program to run other distros packages?

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tyler

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Replying cause I want to know too

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sic_semper_tyrannis

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It appears to be a way of running containers in the terminal with the specific intent to have a certain distro image installed, run a program, and give it permission to interact with your system's home directory with an easy to launch icon.
It looks pretty darn handy, I'm going to give it a try this weekend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiDt4O6UPRw

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MyNameIsRichard

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

Some are very different to each other, Arch and Debian where the former is at the bleeding edge of software and the later is the most conservative distro out there. Some are very similar, Ubuntu and Kubuntu where they are the same distro with a different desktop environment and default software.

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Mark

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Distros within the same "family" (e.g. Debian, Ubuntu, Mint) are mostly the same with only small differences between them, while the different families have wildly different approaches to various things.

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floo

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It has been my experience that there is no “best distro“. It’s just a matter of which distro is best for you. there are distros geared for beginners, distros geared for media professionals, distros aimed at software developers,… And it all takes the experience of trying it out to see what works best for you in particular.

While all distro’s have the same underlying components, so to speak, different distro’s, are typically developed with different use cases in mind.

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The main difference has traditionally been the package manager and update schedule, though a distro might offer several options for the second one.

Relatively recently we got another differentiating feature with immutable distros, where updates don't happen with a package manager but often by downloading or building a complete new image with the newer versions.

Other than that distros mainly set the defaults for you, but you can always change that to work or look like another distro with enough effort.

Basically, don't worry about it and use what works for you

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just_another_person

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

Ignore anyone claiming there is some massive performance difference between any distros. That's some misinformed bullshit.

The main things you need to understand are the layers:

1) Kernel
2) Libraries
3) Package Manager
4) UserSpace

The Kernel layer will be largely transparent for you as a beginner. If you want bleeding edge stuff, install a "Rolling Release" distro that updates this layer much more frequently than "LTS (long term support)" releases will, as their function is to remain stable for longer periods of time.

Libraries will also be transparent to you as a new user, and even as experts, we rarely need to mess with this layer unless building something specific, which you will not need to worry about. Do not let the Chaff start talking some bullshit about how you to prefer this or that in distros blah blah ...you're a new user. Ignore that noise.

Package Manager: something to consider as you will be interacting with this. RPM, Apt/Deb and pacman are the big three, and all are very mature and stable. They all perform similar basic functions, just in different ways. You'll have a preference in time, but any of them work well. It's not a huge thing you need to worry about, but you'll surely like one over another in time.

UserSpace: where all the fun stuff is. Stick with a distro that has a large community. The biggest choice in how you will interact with your machine as a desktop user is here in that you want to choose a Desktop Environment, or DE. Gnome and KDE are the big two in this arena, but there are many: Xfce, Cinnamon, Mate...etc. Id suggest starting with Gnome if you like a clean MacOS type interface, or KDE if you really like the more verbose sort of Windows experience. Both are fine choices, and you won't have problems with either. Again, ignore everyone telling you one is better than the other...they are not. It's a preference. Try them both, and go with one. You can easily swap later if you want, no big deal.

Lastly: don't go off and use Bl00pyGameRzX or whatever random distro the loudest asshole in a thread is telling you to use. Again, you're a new user, you need simple, stable, and a huge community to reference if you have issues.

I suggest Fedora for new users now after Ubuntu shat the bed and soiled their crown. After getting comfortable with things, maybe look into what the difference is between Fedora and Cachy, and if that's of any use to you. If not, whatever, just keep using what you like. Distro hopping is for aimless people who don't know what they're looking for, or how to identify. Use what YOU like, and keep using it as long as you like it. Ignore the hype machine telling you otherwise. That's the point.

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Mordikan

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One correction to this:

The Arch package manager is Pacman, not AUR. AUR is the Arch User Repository and is definitely not stable 😀

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just_another_person

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Whoops, was in a flow. Good catch.

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caseyweederman

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...kinda wanna try Bl00pyGameRzX now

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NewNewAugustEast

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Ubuntu has always been that bad though. Always.

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just_another_person

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Not at all. It was fine for new users. It was the mostly popular distribution for years for a reason.

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NewNewAugustEast

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Because people recommended it.

There were better options. It crashed or broke all the time. Still does.

It would never be a recommendation for new users from me. I tried every version since 4, so I am not new to its shittyness.

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just_another_person

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Ran thousands of servers on it for years without a hiccup. No idea what you were doing wrong there, but that's not my experience.

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NewNewAugustEast

in reply to just_another_person • 1 mese fa • •

I suppose I should have clarified: Ubuntu desktop. I don't really have a problem with Ubuntu server, although why bother when you can just use Debian. Did you choose it for the newer packages?

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just_another_person

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Ubuntu has specific toolchain stacks that make imaging and packaging easier when you're running continuously deployed stacks that change frequently.

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seralth

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General rule of thumb for new users.

Doesn't like to tinker and non gamer. Fedora

Likes to thinker and non gamer endeavour

Doesn't like to tinker and gamer bazzite

Likes to tinker and gamer cachy

Arch at this point is no more unstable or prone to breaking then mint or any other distro barring like Debian. Cachy and endeavour with kde6 basically have solved the arch isn't for new users problem coming from Windows.

So really you just need to ask yourself. Do you want your defaults to include gaming utilities or do you want to have to install them yourself. If your going to game you can save yourself hours as a new user with bazzite or cachy since they come out of the box with a button for "I want to install all the gaming stuff" and your good to go.

If you don't game and just do basic work then you can go with fedora which will provide a great curated experience that basically just leaves you with a standard and reliable work PC.

Or endeavour which will drop you off right at the point of everything works, is reliable and ready for you to start learning. Even if you choose to never fiddle with anything, you still end up with a system that supports the widest possible amount of hardware and has one of the best user manuals of any distro family.

Seriously for as much as people claim you need a big community for refence material. Between cachy and arches wiki, you have a better source of information than any other option. It's absurd how useful it is.

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just_another_person

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Y'all really need to get off the Bazzite thing for new users.

Fedora for gaming is great and has zero issues.

Bazzite is no better than any other distro in this respect EXCEPT that it's immutable, and going to be a NIGHTMARE for somebody not yet familiar with how things work in a Linux system. It's edge cases upon edge cases, and the assumption by people pushing this idiocy is that they'll never need to know how a normal functioning Linux system works if they like it, which is an ignorant supposition.

Stop pushing this narrative to new users, you're just making it harder on them.

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JeremyHuntQW12

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You mean opaque.

And you will definitely find out about libraries if you attempt to install anything.

Some packages will install in your home directory, others, for no apparent reason will spread themselves around the system in the area only available in administration mode. Good luck finding where it all went. The only way I can find is to look at the path in Synaptic, most package managers won't record it.

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just_another_person

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This...I don't understand what this is.

No distro managed by a package manager would be dropping files all over the place as you're suggesting, not would it require you to interact with or even know which libraries you have installed because it's all automatically handled by said package manager.

If you're installing out of band packages, you're talking about a different thing, and that's the package maintainer's fault, not the distro and their maintainers.

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mnemonicmonkeys

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Great comment. Makes me wish that Lemmy allowed comments to be pinned

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bubbalouie

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Grass is greener...Linux is a kernel with tools attached that distributions play with and present as they would as a distribution. Packaging (program management) is different throughout with all the distros loving their 'tool', or, methodology. Some distros present helpful scripts to get a thing done, or, look a way, or, whatever, and some do not.

Windows tells you, here, you can use this or do this and cannot do this or use that. Linux tells you to simply have at it and makes it all available for you to use or not to use. Windows sits you at the kiddie table whereas Linux gives you materials and tools.

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Ŝan

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Þe biggest difference is going to be in þe package manager. And even þen, it can be furþer generalized into rolling vs point releases. Software tends to be þe same, once installed.

Notable differences from þe common selection:

Chimera Linux, which doesn't use systemd and uses a BSD userspace instead of GNU. Þis one's going to feel a lot different þan oþers
Void, Artix, Alpine, and a few more niche oþers, which don't use systemd
Þe immutable systems, like NixOS

Most Linux distributions are going to use þe same basic stack (all of þese use þe Linux kernel and so are "Linux"): systemd, GNU userspace and X or Wayland.

Distributions have some package manager, some default set-up, and selection of themes and desktop backgrounds þat give þem þeir flavor; but beyond þe package manager, init system (and in þe case of systemd, a whole bunch of oþer subsystems), and userspace, it's all superficial and common across distributions and can be swapped or installed on most distributions - often wiþout even a reboot. Þe userspace and init are not impossible to swap out for someþing else, but are generally quite hard (and harder for systemd) to replace, as is þe package manager.

Þe main decision, þen IMHO for new users is to decide wheþer þey want a rolling or point release (or an immutable distribution), and almost always for new users þe answer is "point release" since maintenance is usually lower, giving folks time to get used to Linux before facing þem wiþ some breaking software upgrade. NixOS has a notoriously comparatively high learning curve, as does GUIX; oþer immutable distros maybe not so, but none have yet achieved notoriety, and þe smaller þe community, þe less help you'll find online. Þis usually means some descendent of Redhat or Debian, like Mint, which is why even people who don't use Mint þemselves end up recommending it as a starter.

Chimera Linux

^{Chimera Linux}

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Hemingways_Shotgun

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In terms of how you interact with it day to day, no. And that's because the Distro in that sense matters less than the desktop environment. Since DEs are fundamentally distro agnostic, most distros give a person the option for multiple choices in that regard, so it doesn't really matter if you're using Ubuntu, Arch, Fedora, etc.... what matters from a usage perspective is if you're using KDE, or Gnome, or XFCE, etc...

Under the hood there's a lot of differences in how each one chooses to do things, but I wouldn't call one of them better or worse than any other and for the most part can be ignored.

My advice would be narrow it down to one choice; and that's your package manager. That's really where most of the difference lies. Find the one that you find easiest to use (Apt, Pacman/Pamac, DNF, Zypper) and that's where you land until you're comfortable.

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cRazi_man

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

Noob opinion: they're all the same, you're just choosing from the minor differences in the quirks one has over another and it would be easy enough to work around those if you were motivated to.

The real difference is the DE, how quickly updates are pushed, good GUI on a package manager and if it is immutable or not.

For noobs like me it also helps if it has a lot of users so I can find forum posts about my specific problem. Vetrans keep saying that online documentation is enough, but I wouldn't even know where to start with applying generic instructions to my installation (e.g. how is a wiki going to be able to tell me that my low framerates in Street Fighter 6 are because of split lock protections on my CPU). How would I diagnose the problem to know where to look? This is the major appeal of Debian based systems.

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pogodem0n

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

A Linux distribution is just the Linux kernel distributed with various other pieces of software that make it usable. Often times, there are multiple software projects that aim achieve the same goal by going in different paths. These are packaged together by the distro maintainers who mostly do this out of passion.

Different distros prioritize different aspects of the software they package and they do this in different ways. To make the best choice for you, it is best to try and understand what each distro aims to do. Here are a few examples out my head:
- Debian is a traditional distribution that aims to keep the system stable for a few years. They do backport security patches, but slow rollout of feature updates is a deal-breaker for some people (like me).
- CachyOS (based on Arch Linux) compiles it's packages utilizing newest CPU instructions which may lead to slight performance gain on newer hardware. They also ship some kernel patches optimizing it for gaming use cases.
- Bazzite is based on an atomic/immutable version of Fedora. The aim here is to provide a system that makes it very hard for users to mess it up, using containerization technologies. It also means that installing packages in the traditional way is not very feasible or recommended. You are supposed to install packages without root access and using technologies like flatpak. It also includes some gaming specific kernel patches similar to CachyOS, but not as many.

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NewNewAugustEast

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

Ubuntu is broken, or will be broken. It has been that way since the beginning.

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Jack_Burton

in reply to NewNewAugustEast • 1 mese fa • •

Really? I thought Ubuntu was one of the main distros?

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NewNewAugustEast

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

Sure, but it is just Debian with their crap bolted on.

The last two times I installed Ubuntu somewhat recently, it was broken at the install. I fixed it, but it shouldn't be that way. The hardware was nothing exotic or interesting either.

It has always been troublesome.

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HakunaHafada

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

If you haven't noticed yet, the Linux community gets pretty divisive about distros. For what it's worth, my friend swears by Ubuntu. Personally, I use Linux Mint, which is based on Ubuntu, and my issues are pretty infrequent or troublesome.

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Admetus

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

Ultimately my choice of distro came down to what packages are available under the package managers.

I found a couple of packages only under the AUR so I go Arch.

But what I want from Linux, and what makes it Linux to me is the DE. So I could use Fedora Gnome or EndeavourOS gnome and just go with whichever is best for my use case.

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brucethemoose

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

As you see, there are 1000 different opinions, heh.

My take is it’s about user patterns.

Every distro has different maintenance expectations, different tolerance for bugs and keeping stuff up to date and working. That’s the flavor difference: it’s all the same packages just served to you a different way.

As an example, Arch Linux has an expectation for the user to pay attention to maintenance. Read their excellent wiki. Update frequently, and pay attention to errors and warnings when you do. There is one version of Python, so update your stuff to work with out. The “reward” for being so hands on is stuff getting automatically fixed quickly.

CachyOS is just a preconfigured version of this, with presets and experimental features tailored for gaming. But it’s largely not divergent from the underlying Arch system: you could switch from an arch install to CachyOS packages with zero fuss.

Contrast with Ubuntu. It is meant to be more “hands off” with staged and delayed updates. There are many versions of Python present in the same system, so old stuff works without changes. But the consequence is you may have to live with certain problems you run into, or risk breaking your system trying to fix them.

Fedora is somewhere in between, with the addition of an emphasis on free software. And a consequence of that is, for instance, no first party support for Nvidia. Bazzite builds on top of that by expensively modifying it into a stable platform for gaming, but you’re also dependent on a relatively small group of maintainers.

So I guess one question is how involved with your computer do you want to be?

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chromodynamic

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

The main differences are:

package management (how you install new programs)
release model (fixed vs rolling)
default desktop environments (the GUI / look and feel)

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frongt

in reply to chromodynamic • 1 mese fa • •

Yup. Until you get into stuff like immutable distros, because that's a whole different animal.

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Semperverus

in reply to chromodynamic • 1 mese fa • •

Workflows are different, configuration files can be different, and package names (not just management) can be different.

Additionally, release cadence (how fast you get new stuff, even when considering fixed releases), stability, performance (how were the packages compiled), and custom patches that aren't part of the original code (*shakes fist angrily at Manjaro*)

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seralth

in reply to Semperverus • 1 mese fa • •

If you don't like Manjaro for that then your going to hate steamOS. Lol

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Semperverus

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I don't like how the manjaro team does it specifically. A lot of the time i've seen packages break in Manjaro that work fine in Arch, then Manjaro users come into Arch forums acting like its an Arch problem when it isn't.

Also, their driver install helper causes more problems than it solves, which was especially highlighted in the transition to open source official nvidia drivers. Couldn't install the open source ones for the longest time, and couldn't install the right ones from the repo with pacman directly. Caused some major issues for a friend I was helping.

Helped him switch to proper Arch and all the issues went away.

Valve on the other hand puts extreme effort into maintaining stability. I use it regularly and have zero issues, though I use it as-is out of the box.

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LeFantome

in reply to chromodynamic • 1 mese fa • •

Agreed.

Though if you get off the beaten path, you get things like system supervisor, system compiler, C library, and core utils.

But most Linux distros are systemd, GCC, Glibc, and GNU utils. Which brings us back to your list.

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pyssla

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

I wanted to write a long-ass comment until I remembered the existence of the following excellent guide: lemmy.ml/post/18268622 . Please give it a read 😉.

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pineapple

in reply to pyssla • 1 mese fa • •

That guide is so awesome! Thanks for showing me.

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Dessalines

in reply to pyssla • 4 settimane fa • •

I've stickied that to this community.

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Xatolos

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

It's the difference between Windows 11, Windows 11 Pro, Windows 11 for Enterprise, and Windows Server 2025.

There are differences, but not dramatic differences. Some are just better tuned to certain users than others.

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pineapple

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

I don’t think there is really too much difference either. Mainly the package manager is the main difference I guess. There are a lot of other differences but if you don’t really care about it then it doesn’t really matter.

The desktop environment makes a much bigger difference than the distro.

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Ulu-Mulu-no-die

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

First thing to consider is they all use the same Desktop Environments.

Unlike Windows, in Linux the "graphic" is completely separated from the operating system, any DE can be uses on any distro, so trying different distros that come with the same DE, might make you think there's very little difference (at first look).

Second, almost all distros are derivatives, that contributes to make them feel similar. The original ones are just a bunch: Debian, Red Hat, Slackware, SuSe, Arch, Gentoo, everything else is based either on one of those or on another derivative, if your curious you can have a look at this graph: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lin…
So for example, if you take Ubuntu and Mint, they might look similar because Mint is based on Ubuntu.

If you want to see the real differences, you need to look at the original ones, the core differences are: the way software is packaged and managed, and the "philosophy" behind the way the system is overall administered, maintained and released.

Derivatives add differences to the user experience, they main reason they're created is someone is not completely happy with the way a distro does things and they create one the meets their needs, for example, Debian is improved dramatically on the user experience lately, but many years ago was quite arduous to setup and use for non-experts, so Ubuntu was born.

Now to answer you question

as long as I choose one that gets regular updates, it doesn’t matter fundamentally?

It does matter, tho it's not as much world-changing as some people seem to think (especially when it comes to gaming).

The most important things are support for your hardware and easy of administration/use. Most distros will recognize and setup your hardware out of the box, but some might require tinkering or extra steps. Some distros automate almost everything so the user doesn't need to think about it, others require more knowledge and more manual intervention, you have a much finer control of your system this way at the expense of some user friendliness, it's up to you to decide what you prefer.

Then it comes the Desktop Environment, different DEs do things differently, which one to choose is totally personal preference.

As for software, unless you go after some niche obscure distro, you shouldn't have problems finding it in the distro repositories. For edge cases you can always use Flatpaks or AppImages.

File:Linux Distribution Timeline.svg - Wikipedia

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teawrecks

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

The better comparison is that distros are the operating systems (like "windows", "macos", and "android"), while "linux" is the kernel under the hood that end users likely never interact with (like "NT", "XNU", and..."linux").

A distro represents an intended user experience. If you want a distro that has an intended user experience that is similar to windows, go with Mint or OpenSUSE. If your desired experience is like the SteamDeck, install bazzite (with an AMD GPU ideally). If that's all you care to know, then that's all you need to know; go use your new system how you would any other.

But if you want to dig deeper, yeah, the fact that all the distros are based on linux (and more importantly, are posix compatible) means that a lot of the software is portable across distros. But that doesn't mean your experience on all distros will be the same. Different distros organize their filesystems differently, they might ship with different versions of core utilities based on the stability testing they've done, and they likely offer varying means of installing and managing new packages.

The tl;dr is, go use one distro, and then later try doing the same stuff in a different distro, and inevitably at some point you'll go "oh, this didn't work exactly how I expected because the other distro I'm used to handles this differently". That's the difference.

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Lettuce eat lettuce

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

You're on the right track. Linux technically refers to the kernel, the low-level core of the operating system that everything else interacts with and is built on top of. Distros are just collections of components that have been standardized by some group or company.

Linux Mint is heavily customized Ubuntu with a different DE and all of Connonical's stuff removed. Nobara is a gaming-focused distro built on Fedora with a bunch of kernel modifications and pre-installed software to help games run better. CatchyOS is just Arch but with a really friendly installer that allows less advanced users to still enjoy many of the heavy customizations and cutting-edge software of Arch, etc etc.

Think of it like an engine. You can use the same engine in a bunch of different vehicles. You can also make modifications to the engine itself, but it will still essentially be the same engine.

The #1 rule for new Linux users, especially ones who aren't interested in becoming power users or tinkering with their OS, is if you're happy with your distro, stick with it.

There's no objective "correct" distro. The best distro for you is the distro that works and you feel comfortable with.

Lots of new users become worried that they are missing out on some major improvement in their experience of Linux or feel like they picked the "wrong" distro because some random user dissed it. Don't pay attention to that, if your distro does everything you need it to do and you enjoy using it, there's no reason to go looking for something better.

Now of course, there's nothing wrong with checking out other distros, and if you are somebody who likes to tinker with your setup and doesn't mind risking breaking things sometimes, then by all means, distro hop away. Almost all distros have a "live boot" option, which allows you to test the OS off of a flash drive without having to install it on your computer. It's a great way to quickly get the look and feel for a new distro without having to commit.

And of course, there are tons of Linux YouTubers who do reviews of distros, so you can watch those to also get an idea of the different options out there.

Because of the nature of FOSS and the linux ecosystem, you can make most distros look and feel just like any other, so that's always an option too.

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Jack_Burton

in reply to Lettuce eat lettuce • 1 mese fa • •

This helps a lot, thank you. I've been feeling overwhelmed about making sure I pick the best distro and there's a lot of info bombardment. Additionally, I love this stuff so I know in a couple months there's a good chance I'll want to use another distro and I don't want to wipe everything again haha.

I use my PC for work, freelance audio production, voiceover, music, etc. I've been testing Ubuntu Studio on my laptop and it seems to be going ok so far (learning curve and lack of software aside) but I keep seeing people shoot down Ubuntu. Everyone seems to be talking about Bazzite and CachyOS but honestly I'm getting the impression they don't use Linux for much more than just gaming.

It all feels a little gate-keepy in ways and I got overwhelmed haha. Think I'll just keep chipping away with Ubuntu Studio and see if it'll do the trick for my main PC. Thanks again.

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Lettuce eat lettuce

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

I used Ubuntu Studio many years ago when I was going through an electronica phase lol. It worked fine for me.

Don't sweat it, there will always be the hot new distros on the block. Right now it's Bazzite, CatchyOS, and NixOS, back in the day there was Garuda, Arco Linux, Bunsen, MX Linux, and a ton of others. Some are still around, some are long gone. Doesn't mean they are bad distros, many of them are/were great, but don't choose a distro just because everybody is talking about it.

Plus, as you get more experience with Linux, the differences matter less and less. There are only a handful of package managers, and unless you have some very specific technical requirements, they all do the same thing and work the same way.

"apt install firefox" becomes "yum install firefox", or "pacman -S firefox" it's all pretty much the same under the hood.

And if you use KDE Plasma on different distros, the Discover store works the same across distros, same with any other GUI package installer.

If you keep getting better and get into home lab building or just have several different computers, you might end up using a bunch or distros at the same time on different machines.

Right now across all my physical computers and virtual machines in my home lab, I currently have 9 different distros installed on various machines. Different distros for different purposes.

My general #JustWorks laptops and VMs use Linux Mint, my hardcore gaming rig uses Nobara, my test junker laptops run Debian 13, Void Linux, and Arch for testing random software and messing around. For my Docker containers, I run Debian 12 as the base, for my Minecraft server, Ubuntu Server, my Steam Deck is SteamOS which is just Valve's heavily modified spin of Arch, and my main lab's Type-1 hypervisor is XCP-ng, which is basically Fedora under the hood.

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daggermoon

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

Just pick something with KDE Plasma and you'll be fine. Cachy, Debian, and Bazzite are all good.

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Green Wizard

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

IMO distros are just "how little work do I need to do before I get this to work the way I like?" You can make any distro work practically the same if you want it to.

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j_anthemion

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

IMO, coming from the systems administration side of Linux, the most significant difference was package management and availability.

RedHat and clones were very conservative and focused on services like web, database, etc. With IBM purchasing RHEL, many switched to Ubuntu. Ubuntu is also favored by devs because the packages were more up to date.

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biocoder.ronin

in reply to j_anthemion • 4 settimane fa • •

Hi, request for comment: how do you feel about GNU guix? Is this the future of package management we wanted?

I've used RedHat and Ubuntu and Arch primarily because of the package ecosystem, and security is definitely major concern for most sysadmins (I am not one).

Is guix going to be the future? Thanks

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JamBandFan1996

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

From a new users perspective, a lot of the main ones will probably feel very similar and the main difference you'd notice is stability and compatibility. Don't overwhelm yourself with choices, just choose a easy to use, high user base, well supported distro to start on (Fedora, Ubuntu, Mint) and if you don't like it move to something else later

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Jack_Burton

in reply to JamBandFan1996 • 1 mese fa • •

Appreciate it. I've decided to stick with Ubuntu Studio as long as I can duplicate my workflow before I make the switch. Think I got into my own head and indecision took over haha.

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JTskulk

in reply to Jack_Burton • 1 mese fa • •

These days the things that really differentiate distros are: installer, default desktop environment, packaging, packages.

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Squizzy

in reply to Jack_Burton • 4 settimane fa • •

As someone completely new and stupid it feels like the desktop environment is the only difference I will ever notice. I was just about to move to bazzite and poke around until I realised the example and what I was picturing were just gnome.

At least I know im stupid.

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thedeadwalking4242

in reply to Squizzy • 4 settimane fa • •

There are some major differences starting to stir. I.E atomic distros Nixos and guix. But beyond that it’s all package manager differences. Some less popular OSs will have different init systems but that’s really about it

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Bronstein_Tardigrade

in reply to Jack_Burton • 4 settimane fa • •

Been using Linux for 20+ years, and I've found it is the Desktop Environment that matters the most to me. It is the part with which I have daily contact. I have a PC running Debian, another running Fedora, a laptop with openSUSE, all with the same DE. My wife runs PCLOS with a different DE on her laptop, so I instantly revert to the CL rather than spend time searching for stuff.

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Jason

in reply to Bronstein_Tardigrade • 4 settimane fa • •

I'm in the same boat as OP. I just don't understand why one distro over another. I guess the next questions would be - what made you choose Debian for one PC and Fedora for the other? Do you find that openSUSE works better on a laptop than other distros? If the experience is the same, why not have them all the same distro? Do you just choose a distro on a whim? Roll a dice? Flip a coin?

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Bronstein_Tardigrade

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My Fedora PC was 8 years old so the wife bought me a new box for my birthday. I loaded Debian on a whim and now I'm too lazy to switch to Fedora. The laptop has always been my experimental machine where I try different distros. The wife first started her Linux journey with PCLOS/KDE and sees no reason to switch.

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Wren

in reply to Jack_Burton • 4 settimane fa • •

Really they all work the same as long as they're based on the same OS. I've done a lot of distro hopping and the only real difference I've seen is the desktop environment, package managers(sometimes), and pre-installed applications.

Even then, all of these can be changed. I would suggest picking a distro that best suits your needs by default and then add what you need from there.

I personally have been really happy with Linux Mint.

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Debian +openbox is Mighty

This is not a tutorial. This is a way.

Debian +OpenBox is (a) the way. My system is a lenovo p53s laptop; nvidia remains unused because I only play Nexuiz, if I do. Yesterday I had a couple minutes so I downloaded a new trixie netinstaller iso and burn'd it to a usb stick, to which I booted into immediately, for the installing.

You can simply hold the enter key down and proceed through the installer and be magically booted into debian, if you like. Don't do that, though, that's crazy, and, I'm lying. Change these: networking, partitions, software. Networking is no big deal to mess with, or not, I use ethernet, so, I use a static local IP, therefore I don't allow the installer to auto-negotiate anything. Only occasionally do I use wifi, I act accordingly when I need it. Let it auto if you like, it's cool.

Root is allowed, absolutely.

I have a separate /home partition and I like it that way - do the same, smile later when it hits you. I have an nvme drive and I use ext4, with discard and noatime, for the root partition and xfs for /home, with noatime. ANd when the installer gets to (tasksel) the software part of the show, I uncheck everything other than typical system stuff, near the bottom. Do the same.

Installing debian is simple, clean, and fast. Upon rebooting there is nothing but a prompt if you do it this way, which, is the correct way. Let's build-up the sexy real quick.

I log in as root and install sudo and aptitude, which I have not added to kevin, for reasons. Then, still as root, I: visudo, and add my user beneath the existing root user down the file:

me ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL

Then I log out of root and in as me to run the kevin bash script which installs the stuff I need to maintain penultimate level boredom. I run it like: sudo kevin.sh - Here's the guts to kevin, probably with some redundancy:

#!/bin/bash

# check root

[ "$(id -u)" -ne 0 ] && { echo "Must run as root" 1>&2; exit 1; }

# Install packages

echo -e "\e[1mInstalling packages...\e[0m"

[ "$(find /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin -mtime 0 2>/dev/null)" ] || apt-get update

apt-get -y install xorg openbox lxpanel thunar thunar-archive-plugin intel-microcode claws-mail polkitd xinit intel-media-va-driver-non-free va-driver-all

apt-get -y install curl feh bat lsd diodon nvtop unclutter numlockx wget whois mesa-utils mesa-va-drivers mpg123 alsa-utils ffmpeg bc jq libnotify-bin mc lshw lsof ncal ncdu inxi psmisc s-tui sed cpufetch dfc sysstat tar unzip zip x11-xserver-utils htop apt-utils at upower pwgen usbutils vnstat xpdf oxygencursors gpicview jpegoptim libimage-exiftool-perl

apt-get -y install tango-icon-theme keepassxc dbus-x11 lxappearance obsession scrot gvfs-backends arandr menu menu-xdg pnmixer bogofilter bleachbit gifsicle

apt-get -y install geany geany-plugins claws-mail-bogofilter lynx alacritty claws-mail-fancy-plugin claws-mail-pgpmime claws-mail-tools claws-mail-pgpinline claws-mail-vcalendar-plugin

apt-get -y install rsync fastfetch cpufetch cbatticon xscreensaver gpicview xscreensaver-gl xscreensaver-gl-extra fd-find libxml2-utils starship pulseaudio

apt-get -y install meld mintstick ips seahorse tldr mpv net-tools neverputt gnome-characters gparted pkexec xclip gsimplecal

apt-get -y install hwinfo iftop imagemagick acpi lm-sensors python3-pexpect pwgen s-tui sensible-utils catfish iotop pithos

apt-get -y install xdg-user-dirs-gtk xdg-utils xdotool unzip usbutils util-linux vym yelp zenity zip silversearcher-ag galternatives

apt-get -y install planner libreoffice libreoffice-gtk3 xfce4-screenshooter smartmontools gimp obsidian-icon-theme orage gmrun synaptic yad zim bashtop grc duf

I have a smoke as kevin does its thing. I arrive back at the prompt, system installed.

I do more:

sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-file-manager x-file-manager /usr/bin/thunar 210

sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-text-editor x-text-editor /usr/bin/subl 210

sudo update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator x-terminal-emulator /usr/bin/alacritty 210

I might use kitty instead, which is usual

sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata

I have saved stuff:

sudo cp -R .local/share/fonts/* /usr/share/fonts/

sudo cp -R .local/share/themes/* /usr/share/themes/

sudo cp -R .local/share/icons/Dracula/ /usr/share/icons/

curl -s 'https://liquorix.net/install-liquorix.sh' | sudo bash

echo "vm.dirty_background_ratio=20" | sudo tee -a /etc/sysctl.conf

echo "vm.dirty_ratio=60" | sudo tee -a /etc/sysctl.conf

I might change swappiness, too

put the following in /etc/fstab:

tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0

tmpfs /var/spool tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0

tmpfs /var/tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0

tmpfs /var/log tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0

I like the following 3 proggys so:

sublime text:

wget -qO - https://download.sublimetext.com/sublimehq-pub.gpg | sudo tee /etc/apt/keyrings/sublimehq-pub.asc > /dev/null

echo -e 'Types: deb\nURIs: https://download.sublimetext.com//nSuites: apt/stable/\nSigned-By: /etc/apt/keyrings/sublimehq-pub.asc' | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/sublime-text.sources

Then, update and install sublime.

firefox:

wget -q https://packages.mozilla.org/apt/repo-signing-key.gpg -O- | sudo tee /etc/apt/keyrings/packages.mozilla.org.asc > /dev/null

echo "deb [signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/packages.mozilla.org.asc] https://packages.mozilla.org/apt mozilla main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mozilla.list > /dev/null

update, install firefox

phoenix:

echo 'deb https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/celenity/Debian_12/ /' | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/home:celenity.list

wget -O- https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:celenity/Debian_12/Release.key 2>/dev/null | gpg --dearmor | sudo tee /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/home_celenity.gpg > /dev/null

update, install phoenix

I add:

eval "$(starship init bash)"

to root .bashrc, for the pretty.

I install loginfetch from marcov's script, sans physlock:

script is here, unmodified.

I remove the following after installing the sexy: exim*, xdg-desktop-portal, and xdg-desktop-portal-gtk

I modify /etc/default/grub thusly:

GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet mitigations=off"

You may want to leave grub alone.

randomly, when I log into a gui, I: sudo lxappearance and choose to make root apps comply.

I have a wicked: ~/.bashrc and also: ~/.bash_aliases, ~/.bash_functions. My: ~/.config/openbox rc.xml and menu.xml are fully tweaked and wicked, my ~/bin dir is full of handy scripts; I want for nothing. Firefox opens in ~ a second with win+b, which is the slowest app to open. I maintain: starship, kitty, et al. config files. I back stuff up to a usb stick with a handy rsync alias.

This has been my desktop for ~ 20 years - completely reliable and functional top'd with kill-me-now boring.

debian-openbox/script_loginfetch/install.sh at master · leomarcov/debian-openbox

Script to install a full Openbox environment on Debian - leomarcov/debian-openbox

^GitHub

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who fears hackers if you hack yourself

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Shit, and I just finished my quarterly distro-hop run last weekend. Now I have to take this for a spin 🤣🤣

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EnteAuth (and a bunch of other FOSS) take Microsoft's "free" money

cross-posted from: lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/51040952

I'm moving away from using products by big tech and I recently started using EnteAuth for 2FA. Today I got an email from them saying that they received money as part of GitHub's secure open source fund. Maybe I'm just being paranoid but I do not like this at all. Microsoft is not altruistic I don't care what anyone says. There has to be an ulterior motive for this. With even the recent news that github won't be so independent anymore and they're getting folded into the Microsoft umbrella this has me worried. But let's be real github was never independent just look at copilot being forced down everyone's throat. That's why I personally stopped using it.

According to the fund

Throughout this program, each project receives $10,000 USD via GitHub Sponsors (which breaks down to $6,000 USD during the sprint and $2,000 USD at 6- and 12-month security check-ins). Projects are also invited to a new security focused community, and office hours with the GitHub Security Lab, that they can take advantage of during the full 12 months. They also receive security resources to immediately implement in their project and Azure credits for cloud infrastructure.

Those sponsors include

Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, American Express, Chainguard, Datadog, Herodevs, Kraken, Mayfield, Microsoft, Shopify, Stripe, Superbloom, Vercel, Zerodha, 1Password

Projects that are part of this even include nodejs, nvm, log4j, JUnit, and Matplotlib. Taking cybersecurity seriously is great but this just seems like a way to sucker them into their ecosystem to get them dependent on their products. Like I said maybe I'm being paranoid but I wouldn't be surprise when Microsoft suddenly buys these projects and we lose what made them so great.

Securing the supply chain at scale: Starting with 71 important open source projects - The GitHub Blog

Learn how the GitHub Secure Open Source Fund helped 71 open source projects significantly improve their security posture.

^{Kevin Crosby (The GitHub Blog)}

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just_another_person

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You may as well just stop using computers all together, bud 🤣

I don't mean to ruin your world view, but there are no ways to run anything you want to run by focusing on "altruistic companies", however you may subjectively define that.

Look, you're focusing on the wrong thing here. Maybe you didn't know this, but the massive majority of FOSS projects get funded by companies - either for consulting, feature bounties, IC development - and is a main driving force for the ecosystem.

Many in this ecosystem would even tell you that every single project is massively UNDERfunded by said companies, and they should kick in more to help keep these projects secure and in good standing. They make billions and billions of dollars off people's work, and it surely seems they should kick some of that back to the projects.

Whatever Microsoft's involvement is here, it's not going to be changing the direction of any of the projects mentioned. If for some reason something untoward starts happening with any project: boom, fork and new community. It's that simple.

In short, these people getting funding for their work is a good thing. If you take issue with who is providing that money, you're going to be digging a deep, deep hole in your research, and if you're running down the dep chain, you'll find out that all of the things you use have some funding by companies like Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook, IBM, Red Hat, Amazon, Alibaba, Halliburton, Qualcomm...I could keep going on and on.

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WhyJiffie

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but there are no ways to run anything you want to run by focusing on "altruistic companies", however you may subjectively define that.

I think you misunderstood OP. their complaint is not that these projects should search an altruistic donor... but that Microsoft is suspicious in doing this, because arguably they rarely have good intentions.

Whatever Microsoft's involvement is here, it's not going to be changing the direction of any of the projects mentioned.

let's hope so

If for some reason something untoward starts happening with any project: boom, fork and new community. It's that simple.

easier said than done.

In short, these people getting funding for their work is a good thing.

I think OP (and me too) is worried about the terms. like, can these projects abandon github without repercussions? can they start using another code forge in parallel?

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just_another_person

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Uhhh, repercussions like what? They're getting small amounts of money for specific work. Up front. What repurcussions could there be for project moving to Gitlab, for instance?

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WhyJiffie

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Uhhh, repercussions like what?

sudden closure of donated azure services without prior notification and time to move off.

having to pay back some of the money.

the project planning with the promised donations as a given (they don't get all of it upfront, but as they get the most of it it's actually fair) and microsoft either using it as leverage or just carelessly terminating the contract to save money.

in extreme case banning the project from microsoft owned services, including github.

any of that in decreasing order of probability if implementation is different from expected (like not baking in specific security tools to the project) and the parties cannot agree on a solution.

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WhyJiffie

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Uhhh, repercussions like what?

sudden closure of donated azure services without prior notification and time to move off.

having to pay back some of the money.

in extreme case banning the project from microsoft owned services, including github.

any of that in decreasing order of probability if implementation is different from expected (like not baking in specific security tools to the project) and the parties cannot agree on a solution.

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just_another_person

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They're payments for work services.

You listen to Joe Rogan, don't you...

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WhyJiffie

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oh and I must also live in texas, right?

I wouldn't even recognize their voice or face.

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kennedy

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yes exactly, my problem is not the money. I don't expect these project to always be free and I support those I can, sponsorship is good. These giant tech firms have used free projects all the time to make money without providing any support so its fine that they're supporting them. My problem is that I do not trust Microsoft at all.

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orclev

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In terms of the open source community Microsoft has been significantly less sketchy than usual for about a decade now. For those of us that are old enough to remember the halloween files it's hard to let go of that paranoia, particularly with the sketchy shit MS has been doing with their proprietary stuff lately, but near as I can tell they've been above board on their open source stuff.

I wouldn't go so far as to say blindly trust them at this point, but I wouldn't just assume with no evidence at all that there has to be something nefarious going on either.

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kennedy

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I've never heard of the Halloween files I just looked it up and that's just so crazy. I don't know what's going on behind closed doors in their c-suite but I wouldn't be surprised if this fund is a way to get their hands into open source projects. Like you said there's no explicit proof so it's best to be cautious.

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Cris

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Whether it's good or bad is not determined by the fact that it's corporate money, but how that money impacts development, the devil's in the details, not just in a company donating lots of money.

Open source in general is very dependent on corporate sponsors. The linux kernel wouldn't exist had companies not invested in it.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to assess the potential pitfalls here, so I will be cautious but not paranoid, and continue to pay attention to discussions on how FOSS projects are run 🤷‍♂️

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New Zealand woman and six-year-old son detained for three weeks by Ice in US enduring ‘terrifying’ ordeal

A New Zealand woman who is being held at a US immigration centre with her six-year-old son after they were detained crossing the Canada-US border, is being wrongly “treated like a criminal”, according to her friend and advocate.

Sarah Shaw, 33, a New Zealander who has lived in Washington state for just over three years, dropped her two eldest children to Vancouver airport on 24 July, so they could take a direct flight back to New Zealand for a holiday with their grandparents.

When Shaw attempted to re-enter the US, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) detained her and her youngest son, in what was a “terrifying” ordeal, said Victoria Besancon, Shaw’s friend who is helping to raise money for her legal fight.

“Sarah thought she was being kidnapped,” she said. “They didn’t really explain anything to her at first, they just kind of quietly took her and her son and immediately put them in like an unmarked white van.”

New Zealand woman and six-year-old son detained for three weeks by Ice in US enduring ‘terrifying’ ordeal

Sarah Shaw, who has a US visa and lives in Washington state, was detained after attempting to re-enter US from Canada

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New Zealand woman and six-year-old son detained for three weeks by Ice in US enduring ‘terrifying’ ordeal

Sarah Shaw, who has a US visa and lives in Washington state, was detained after attempting to re-enter US from Canada

^{Eva Corlett (The Guardian)}

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Surrey police pose as joggers to catch men harassing women out exercising

Eighteen people have been arrested after a police force sent out female undercover officers posing as joggers to catch men harassing women while they are out exercising.

A pilot operation from Surrey police deployed female officers in running gear during rush hour to expose how often women are harassed. The pilot has resulted in 18 arrests for offences such as harassment, sexual assault and theft.

Surrey police pose as joggers to catch men harassing women out exercising

Undercover female officers deployed in pilot scheme to tackle catcalling, resulting in 18 arrests

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Lithuania to give children drone training to counter Russia threat

Children in Lithuania are to be taught how to build and operate drones as part of the small Baltic country’s efforts to build capacity to deal with any future threat from Russia.

In a joint initiative by the defence and education ministries, the government said on Tuesday it hoped to teach more than 22,000 people, including schoolchildren, drone skills as part of an attempt to “expand civil resistance training”.

The programme would be adapted to different age groups, with third- and fourth-grade students of between eight and 10 years old learning to build and pilot simple drones, the government said. Secondary school students will design and manufacture drone parts and learn how to build and fly advanced drones.

Lithuania to give children drone training to counter Russia threat

Government aims to teach 22,000 people, including children as young as eight, how to build and operate drones

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The Western media is complicit in Israel’s murder of Palestinian journalist Anas al-Sharif

I still remember the day Shireen Abu Akleh was martyred. My mother called me crying. She had grown up watching Shireen, who was an invited guest into her home every day while she lived in Palestine. I remember when my mom called me after Israel dropped their first bomb in Gaza, the same tears, a different type of violence. And yesterday, my mom called me again to talk about Anas. Anas al-Sharif’s voice was one I’ve come to intimately know over the last two years, and one we will never hear again. Because, like the almost 300 journalists in Gaza that Israel has killed, Anas represented the truth. And truth is a threat to Israel.

For 22 months, the international community has watched Israel systematically murder journalists and called it acceptable losses in a just war. Nearly 300 media workers have been killed, the deadliest conflict for journalists in recorded history. Yet the world’s response has been to write strongly worded letters while shipping more weapons. Where are the sanctions that followed Russia’s invasion? Where are the war crimes tribunals that prosecuted Rwandan generals? Where is the global media solidarity that should transcend borders and politics? Apparently that only exists when the victims are not Palestinian.

Under Article 79 of Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions, journalists are explicitly protected as civilians in armed conflict zones. Intentionally directing attacks against civilians, including journalists, constitutes a war crime under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and amounts to grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions. The law is clear. The crime is obvious. But, Israel has transformed every Palestinian journalist into a “legitimate target” by simply calling them terrorists first.

The Western media is complicit in Israel’s murder of Palestinian journalist Anas al-Sharif

Israel murdered Anas al-Sharif and his colleagues because genocide can only proceed without witnesses. Western media outlets have failed to condemn the systematic murder of Palestinian journalists, and in the process have become accomplices.

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The Western media is complicit in Israel’s murder of Palestinian journalist Anas al-Sharif

Israel murdered Anas al-Sharif and his colleagues because genocide can only proceed without witnesses. Western media outlets have failed to condemn the systematic murder of Palestinian journalists, and in the process have become accomplices.

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The Western media is complicit in Israel’s murder of Palestinian journalist Anas al-Sharif

Israel murdered Anas al-Sharif and his colleagues because genocide can only proceed without witnesses. Western media outlets have failed to condemn the systematic murder of Palestinian journalists, and in the process have become accomplices.

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themeatbridge

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It's probably better to be more specific than "The Western Media." Remaining generic makes it easier to handwave the criticism and point fingers elsewhere. Sympathetic voices inside of Western media nod along and think "Yes, not me, but others."

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It's all one giant conglomerate. There are barely any non-government ran Western media.

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Recognising Palestinian state must not distract from ending Gaza mass deaths, UN expert says

cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/34601933

Wed 13 Aug 2025 05.00 EDT

She called for an embargo on all arms sales to #Israel and a cessation of trade agreements – as well as accountability for the war crimes and crimes against humanity with which the international criminal court has charged top #Israeli officials. She also called for a complete Israeli withdrawal from occupied territory by the 17 September deadline set by the #UN general assembly.
“Ending the question of #Palestine in line with international law is possible and necessary: end the genocide today, end the permanent occupation this year, and end apartheid,” she said.

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Recognising Palestinian state must not distract from ending Gaza mass deaths, UN expert says

Wed 13 Aug 2025 05.00 EDT
She called for an embargo on all arms sales to #Israel and a cessation of trade agreements – as well as accountability for the war crimes and crimes against humanity with which the international criminal court has charged top #Israeli officials. She also called for a complete Israeli withdrawal from occupied territory by the 17 September deadline set by the #UN general assembly.
“Ending the question of #Palestine in line with international law is possible and necessary: end the genocide today, end the permanent occupation this year, and end apartheid,” she said.

Recognising Palestinian state must not distract from ending Gaza mass deaths, UN expert says
Francesca Albanese, UN special rapporteur for the occupied territories, calls for practical actions and warns against distracting ‘attention from where it should be: the genocide’
^{Alice Speri (The Guardian)}

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Recognising Palestinian state must not distract from ending Gaza mass deaths, UN expert says

cross-posted from: lemmy.ml/post/34601933

Wed 13 Aug 2025 05.00 EDT

She called for an embargo on all arms sales to #Israel and a cessation of trade agreements – as well as accountability for the war crimes and crimes against humanity with which the international criminal court has charged top #Israeli officials. She also called for a complete Israeli withdrawal from occupied territory by the 17 September deadline set by the #UN general assembly.
“Ending the question of #Palestine in line with international law is possible and necessary: end the genocide today, end the permanent occupation this year, and end apartheid,” she said.

Peter Link

2025-08-13 13:03:08

Recognising Palestinian state must not distract from ending Gaza mass deaths, UN expert says

Wed 13 Aug 2025 05.00 EDT
She called for an embargo on all arms sales to #Israel and a cessation of trade agreements – as well as accountability for the war crimes and crimes against humanity with which the international criminal court has charged top #Israeli officials. She also called for a complete Israeli withdrawal from occupied territory by the 17 September deadline set by the #UN general assembly.
“Ending the question of #Palestine in line with international law is possible and necessary: end the genocide today, end the permanent occupation this year, and end apartheid,” she said.

Recognising Palestinian state must not distract from ending Gaza mass deaths, UN expert says
Francesca Albanese, UN special rapporteur for the occupied territories, calls for practical actions and warns against distracting ‘attention from where it should be: the genocide’
^{Alice Speri (The Guardian)}

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Those countries be like see we support a palestinian state but yoy know hamas is the problem not the occupation so we need to continue to support the so called isrsel right to defend itself, keep doing military and economical cooperation

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Recognising Palestinian state must not distract from ending Gaza mass deaths, UN expert says

Wed 13 Aug 2025 05.00 EDT

She called for an embargo on all arms sales to #Israel and a cessation of trade agreements – as well as accountability for the war crimes and crimes against humanity with which the international criminal court has charged top #Israeli officials. She also called for a complete Israeli withdrawal from occupied territory by the 17 September deadline set by the #UN general assembly.
“Ending the question of #Palestine in line with international law is possible and necessary: end the genocide today, end the permanent occupation this year, and end apartheid,” she said.

Recognising Palestinian state must not distract from ending Gaza mass deaths, UN expert says

Francesca Albanese, UN special rapporteur for the occupied territories, calls for practical actions and warns against distracting ‘attention from where it should be: the genocide’

^{Alice Speri (The Guardian)}

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Germany: ING Bank to introduce Wero this month

Bezahldienst: Bezahlen in Echtzeit: ING führt Paypal-Konkurrent Wero ein

Frankfurt/Main - Der noch junge europäische Paypal-Konkurrent Wero bekommt weitere Unterstützung: Europas größte Direktbank ING will den Bezahldienst

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"I support it only if it's open source" should be a more common viewpoint

What are your thoughts? Any counter-counter points to the author's response to most concerns regarding open source?

"I support it only if it's open source" should be a more common viewpoint

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Endymion_Mallorn

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I love the thought, but it the thinking behind it is very utopian. It doesn't match the real world. In my experience, if a company can't make all of the profit from a thing they invest in, they simply won't invest. I wish that wasn't the case, but it's what I've seen. The C-Suite and management would rather make 100% profit from living in the dark ages compared to "just" 99% of the profit from pushing the world forward.

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Leon

in reply to Endymion_Mallorn • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

but it the thinking behind it is very utopian

I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Things don’t have to be realistic to be aspirational. It’s a bigger problem when people give up because improvement isn’t realistic or deemed necessary by comparison to some other factor.

Saw it a lot here. People would be all “sure our healthcare isn’t great but at least we’re not like the U.S.” as the rightwingers bit by bit enshittified the entire system.

A utopia is what we should aim for. What’s the point of anything less?

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Zorque

in reply to Leon • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

There's a difference between being realistic and being pessimistic. The latter expects any attempt to fail, while the former seeks an attainable path to a goal.

One can not attain that utopian vision without setting realistic goals. Setting your eyes on the end game without ever focusing on the path to get there is dooming yourself to failure.

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HarkMahlberg

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Fuck Vitalik Buterin.

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ClownsInSpace2

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Damn, why?

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ThrowawayPermanente

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He's the founder of a major cryptocurrency project, Ethereum

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tabular

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Open source can refer to MIT licensed code/projects where it can be taken, modified and redistributed as proprietary software without giving back. You can't contribute without wondering if you're doing work for a mega corp.

I would be temped to argue that doesn't go far enough. If copyleft wasn't circumvented by AI I'd argue for that.

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Badabinski

in reply to tabular • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

I think a new GPL needs to be created to account for this. Like, "any generative system using this as an input which can ever replicate this code base (even in part), must be bound to this license." People could then run overfitting analysis to see if they ever get their copyleft code out of the model. If they do, then they have grounds to sue. I'm fine with an LLM being trained on my code, but I want the four freedoms to be preserved if it is.

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MudMan

in reply to pdqcp • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

Heh. It's a very software-centric view. Open source trivializes things that can run as software on readily available hardware, but if there's a linear relationship between cost of hardware/manufacture and results you aren't solving much of the gatekeeping. There's plenty of open source availability for a lot of stuff, from email to LLMs, that nobody self-hosts. The problem isn't the underlying reproduction rights.

I will say this, I don't care about what the author or anybody else "supports". If we should have learned something from the last decade or two is that "support" means jack shit.

I care about regulation. And just like I think education, transportation, medical patents, health care and other key resources should be fundamentally public by law, the same is true of other technologies.

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piefood

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"...from email to LLMs, that nobody self-hosts"

As someone that self-hosts those things, both professionally and personally, I'm gonna have to disagree. I wish more did, but there are plenty of self-hosters out there, they just don't get headlines.

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MudMan

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I self host those, too.

I am nobody in the scale of this conversation.

I think there's a business opportunity in simplifying self hosting into a commodity (have your people call my people, we'll talk), but nobody is taking advantage of it other than, say, Synology, and they are still way too complicated and mostly only concerned with selling you hard drives.

Apple and Google aren't going to invent the iNAS or the Servoor until they can find a path to datamining and revenue in those that beats hosting things themselves, and that time is probably never. So while everybody uses Gmail and Facetime and ChatGPT nobody selfhosts.

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LainTrain

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I agree.

Even more broadly, politically - copyleft in general is very unpopular with people, even amongst leftists and self-identified communists who you'd think would be all about that since y'know, good of the commons and the fact that communist states literally didn't give a fuck about copyright and the literature seeing it transparently as another government method of enforcing corporate power, especially apparent today when it comes to pharmaceuticals snd the fact that capitalism needs this intellectual property monopoly as an added incentive for R&D is an issue with capitalism's broken incentive structures, not cost in and of itself or science/technology.

Few people seem to understand the power of intellectual property, and various critics of corporate technology either omit mentioning or openly defend intellectual property, despite corporations having monopolies being the reason enshittification is such a phenomenon in the first place.

It seems like a lot of arguments about the role of technology in society instead boil down to more-stuffism vs. less-stuffism, usually based on emotionally charged preference for modern aesthetics or how much they believe the noble savage/appeal to nature fallacies.

When it comes to AI for instance, anyone reasonable can see that if it's open sourced for everyone to use then it's just a simple common good like a public library, use it (responsibly) and there's no issue.

Closed source private models in use by corporations suck up the environment (which belongs to everyone) and use the capital they steal from wage workers who actually produce the things they sell to give themselves leverage over said consumers/workers and other corporations, and this is not fair to the 99%.

Picture a world where AI is good enough to where it actually provides value to use it in a good chunk of jobs, and the best AI is corporate and closed source, and they just enshittified it and jacked up the prices, but if you want to get a job, you better know how to use it well. It would mean that corpo has an enormous power over your life now and you got little choice but to pony up, and they can raise prices whenever they want and snowball that capital into more and more.

I think the reason in this instance is that a lot of artists are bourgeoisie themselves and they understand that. They may be progressive as a personality trait/gimmick/style and talk about "empathy" but they understand the material reality of things.

They had the opportunities and the room for failure necessary to go into such a high risk field, and their ultimate form of commercial success is essentially using that privilege to create intellectual property they could make money from, hence the "concerns" over "style theft" and moralist fearmongering over vaguely defined concepts like "soulless", which is usually as arbitrary as "white" for racists (not implying equivalence here).

I find generally that a lot of the anti-AI viewpoints are simple self-serving veils of bourgeoisie who's capital is threatened, no different from the culture war fearmongering about vaping, a dying grasp of the tobacco companies of old threatened by shenzen gadget slop factories.

The material reality is that digital goods are effectively infinite, copying an image isn't a crime nevermind copying a style or some such, it is transparently absurd to imply otherwise.

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Other

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I generally agree with the first part of your post but I feel you have a weird hang up on artists. Most artist didn't go to school for art, most artists are simply self taught.

The bare minimum cost of being an artist is a pencil and paper. And although their way of combating it with appeals to copyright is regressive. It comes from a place of desperation because at the end of the day they are laborers. And I've come to find that many tech people tend to diminish artists as laborers.

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themeatbridge

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"I only eat food that's free."

I fully support open source software, but it's not feasible under the current economic system to expect everyone to exclusively contribute to open source projects.

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Semperverus

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You are allowed to charge money for open source.

Its the recipe that makes the food you're eating that would need to be publicly available and free to redistribute.

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Sckharshantallas

in reply to Semperverus • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

You’re allowed, but as long as anyone else can do it for free, you can’t build a business model on selling it. At most you can sell something else (support, cloud compute, some solution that makes using it easier etc.).

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hperrin

in reply to Sckharshantallas • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. What you said is true.

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NukeNPave

in reply to Sckharshantallas • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

Canonical seems to make some decent money off of their services.

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themeatbridge

in reply to Semperverus • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

It's not a perfect metaphor.

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chunkystyles

in reply to themeatbridge • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

None are.

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CriticalMiss

in reply to Semperverus • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

Technically, according to the GPLv3 you don’t need to make the source code publically available. If you sell software with binaries then their source code must be included with it. If you’re Red Hat you can also add an additional ToS to the website that states if you buy the software you can’t freely distribute the source code you download from the website or you will be sued to oblivion.

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Alex

in reply to CriticalMiss • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

You must make the source available to anyone you distributed the binaries to. Where in Red Hats TOS does it say they will sue you? As far as I understand it the reserve the right to terminate the service you are paying for. But your rights to source for the binaries provided are not affected.

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hperrin

in reply to Semperverus • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

Yep, you sure are. You also can’t stop someone from forking it and giving it away for free. See: Red Hat Enterprise Linux and AlmaLinux, Rocky Linux, etc.

Money in open source is one of the biggest hurdles to it becoming the norm. IMHO, governments should fund more open source projects and fund them at higher levels. We have art grants because art improves society, and we should have an equal or higher amount of open source grants because open source improves society too.

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sibachian

in reply to hperrin • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

many governments are currently trying to tear down art grants aren't they tho?

the majority keep voting for the people trying to break everything and get shocked when it breaks.

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Jean-luc Peak-hard

in reply to themeatbridge • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

Bitwarden and Cryptpad. Both open source and self hostable, yet I pay for both. paying for open source is possible.

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sibachian

in reply to Jean-luc Peak-hard • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

i stopped paying for cryptpad when they stopped building their own software and started peddling the utter garbage that is onlyoffice.

i asked them a few years ago if they are planning to build something new and they just said why build when there are things like onlyoffice already available.

sigh.

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Novaling

in reply to Jean-luc Peak-hard • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

He never said paying for open source projects is impossible, obviously we have the ability pay. It's the expecting EVERYONE to drop money on every FOSS project that's infeasible. That shit ads up.

It's the same issue that PeerTube has, people making free content with no ads, but they aren't guaranteed payment. I'm not about to pay $5 per month on Patreon for every creator that I like, cause that's just not sustainable.

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Phoenixz

in reply to themeatbridge • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

I don't mind paying for software.

I want free as in freedom, not free as in beer. Though a free beer might not be the worst thing in the world

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themeatbridge

in reply to Phoenixz • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

Sure, and I recognize that it's not a great metaphor. But I'm thinking about it from the developer side. Open Source software is not motivated by profits, and profit motivates a lot of developers. Some of the best software projects were actualized by a few committed individuals who were passionate about the purpose. But then you have Microsoft which tries to tie bonuses to lines of code, and ends up with bloated garbage because peoples is peoples.

Open source is good, in the same way free lunches for school children are good. The benefits are innumerable. But it's not feasible to expect every developer to commit to open source projects when their efforts might not be rewarded.

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HubertManne

in reply to pdqcp • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

Its my way of thinking. From the ip perspective I can see peoples argument about profits and companies but for individuals you are likely to get your stuff stolen and used by companies. I mean look at ai training. So better to deny any company trying to claim your work is thiers. Added to that is the company technology that goes to the graveyard. Open source allows ones work to be immortal. Then from the user perspective we all know how controlling and privacy invasive proprietary software is.

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Cris

in reply to pdqcp • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

How the world "should" respond to the thing we care about is an actively counter-productive thing to get hung up on.

Its much important how they do respond to it, and how we can reach those who don't connect with it

(And that doesn't just lecturing people and trying to brow beat them into caring about it, which seems like the default approach for a lot of foss folks 🥲 thats the opposite or reaching people, that's alienating them)

like this

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hperrin

in reply to pdqcp • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

I’m an open source developer who’s put thousands of hours of work into my open source projects.

Amount of money I’ve made from writing and maintaining open source projects: $0
Amount of money I’ve made from writing and maintaining closed source projects: idk exactly, but probably close to $1,000,000 (over ten years of working in big tech)

I get wanting to use open source software. I want to use open source software. I want to write open source software. I do write open source software. But please understand that I only do that because I enjoy it. I also need to pay the bills, and there’s not much money in writing open source software.

If you value an open source project, especially if it’s just a small development team that doesn’t sell anything, please donate to them.

Right now, I run an email service, port87.com/, and it is technically closed source. But it’s built on my open source projects, Svelte Material UI, Nymph.js, and Nephele. Probably about 70% of the code that makes up Port87 is open source, and if you use Port87, you’re helping me continue to develop those open source projects. So even if you don’t donate to open source projects, there are other ways to contribute. Support companies who support open source projects.

Port87

A new kind of email.

^port87.com

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Frezik

in reply to hperrin • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

This sort of thing can't really be done in capitalism at all. Open Source (as it was advanced by Eric S. Raymond and the Mozilla Project back in the late 90s) was always stuck in a capitalist way of thinking.

In a society where everyone has their basic needs met and people are expected to contribute what they can, writing FOSS can be your contribution.

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lustrum

in reply to hperrin • 1 mese fa (Ricevuto 3 settimane fa) • •

The early mobile phone apps conditioned people to expect things free.

I donate to any project, open or closed source if it's worth it.

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