Machine translators have made it easier than ever to create error-plagued Wikipedia articles in obscure languages. What happens when AI models get trained on junk pages?
As soon as you leave the big languages, esp. English, Wikipedia can be very problematic for all sorts of reasons. Mostly because of a lack of eyeballs. But it doesn't end with merely badly written/generated content but also with narrative manipulation that - unlike in the English version - remains unchallenged.
Sorry, but English-speaking countries have basically invented "narrative manipulation". For most of history it was normal that there are many competing narratives from interested parties on anything. But such sophistication at making one side's narrative seem impartial, perpetually contested and self-healing has never been achieved before.
It's as if you paint a lake red, it's expensive, and people may get used to it and even believe that's kinda normal, but one can still see that it's just one lake. If you paint the world oceans red, so that it rains red and mists red, that's far more persuasive, and that's what the "collective West" has achieved.
To make a lake painted red seem normal, you need to prevent most of your population from looking at other lakes. But when you've managed to paint the ocean red, you don't need to limit them at all. The fence and the punishment would hurt trust, but without them your and other people looking at the red oceans and rains will think they are also free.
Despite being just one alliance of former and current colonizing powers on this planet.
It's very sad to live in an era of frustration where we can see that it can't reform itself further in humanist direction, than it already has by about year 1988.
Sort of like a planetwide revolutionary situation by Lenin, where the dominating powers can't keep the order the old way (that persuasion still slowly dies), and the dominated can't live the old way. But, as we know, revolutionary situations by Lenin generally don't lead to what one would hope for.
EDIT: Oh, I forgot. The point is that it's actually nice sometimes to have alternative pages in smaller languages on niche subjects, explained better to my own taste. And in the bigger languages articles are sometimes removed for no good reason, say, Hotline\KDX have been butchered simply for being not popular anymore.
Sorry, but English-speaking countries have basically invented “narrative manipulation”.
You have no idea how wrong you are. I could claim it was the roman catholic church and there'd probably still be older examples. More likely, no entity "basically invented" it.
Nothing against you personally, but this is not the edgy take you think it is.
Oh, I forgot. The point is that it’s actually nice sometimes to have alternative pages in smaller languages on niche subjects, explained better to my own taste.
No, the point is that there are countries where people speak these languages and they want to read things in their own language. Sheesh.
"Basically invented" here meant the last huge leap, to having one cluster of narratives perceived as "normal and clean" almost globally. Of course literally not. The roman catholic church didn't have such means.
I wonder if language and other cultural fields are the only areas where Linus's law are impossible to safely apply. Programming seems quite easy by comparison.
Hmm, the law begins with "Given enough eyeballs". So it's explicitly not about small-language Wikipedia sites having too few editors.
It also doesn't talk about finding consensus. "All bugs are shallow" means that someone can see the solution. In software development, that's most often quite easy, especially when it comes to bugfixes. It's rarely difficult to verify whether the solution to a bug works or not. So in most cases if someone finds a solution and it works, that's good enough for everyone.
In cultural fields, that's decidedly not the case.
For most of society's problems, there are hardly any new solutions. We have had the same basic problems for centuries and pretty much "all" the solutions have been proposed decades or centuries ago.
How to make government fair? How to get rid of crime? How to make a good society?
These things have literally been issues since the first humans learned to speak.
That's why Linus' law doesn't really apply here. We all want different things and there's no fix that satisfies all requirements or preferences.
For most of society’s problems, there are hardly any new solutions. We have had the same basic problems for centuries and pretty much “all” the solutions have been proposed decades or centuries ago.
That's because people generally don't know or understand these solutions. One can't raise above separate human's ability to understand any system. And I mean any. Doesn't mean a housewife has to know electrical engineering, but enough people in any group reliant upon any system should have passive knowledge and understanding.
So, thanks to AI translators and such, I can now link kvant.digital/ here.
The very first problem in the very first issue of that journal is very enlightening.
Does it really matter? I think the extreme amount of languages in the world right now is not helping us communicate. I don't view language as a cultural heritage thing, just a communication protocol. And I have moved around a lot in the world, it's very difficult to be constantly adapting to different languages. That causes a societal integration barrier for me.
I think if we had a universal language (note that it wouldn't have to be English) we would be able to understand each other better and have less wars.
PS: I'm not advocating to ban languages or something, just to have a universal one. A bit like what Esperanto tried to achieve. Mutual language means more mutual understanding and thus less "us vs them" underbelly feelings that the fascists thrive on.
Yeah I'm just not really wed to any language. I guess it is also because I have moved around so much. I'm from Holland but I don't consider myself a Dutch person, more like a citizen of the world. I've become too different to fit in in my home country (also because it's become an extreme-right cesspool lately 😢 ). I've spent about half my life elsewhere. And the places I've lived where I spoke the languages I fared noticeably better.
Don't forget that a lot of today's problems center around not understanding each other. The hatred of immigrants for example.
But I know a lot of people do view language as a cultural thing, it's just my point of view.
Languages have their own quirks and characters, representative of the people's cultural values and history, and express ideas not even present in other cultures. As many languages have to be preserved as possible for these reasons.
It's profoundly chauvinistic to think that people who speak other languages don't have the same depth of literary resource as English-speakers because Wikipedia has fewer users.
Books. They're called books. Every nation speaking every language has them.
I understand you're trying to be nice to minority languages, but if you write research papers you either limit your demographic to your own country, or you publish in English (I guess Spanish is pretty world wide as well). If you set out to read a new paper in your field, I doubt you'd pick up something in Mongolian.
Even in Sweden I would write a serious paper in English, so that more of the world could read it. Yes, we have text books for our courses that are in Swedish, but i doubt there are many books covering LLMs being published currently for example.
I'm not "trying to be nice to minority languages", I'm directly pushing back against the chauvinistic idea that the English Wikipedia is so important that those without it are somehow inferior. There is no "doom spiral".
As for scientific papers, it's called a translation. One can write academic literature in one's native langaue and have it translated for more reach. That isnt the case with Wikipedia which is constantly being edited.
I’m not “trying to be nice to minority languages”, I’m directly pushing back against the chauvinistic idea that the English Wikipedia is so important that those without it are somehow inferior. There is no “doom spiral”.
I think you missed the problem described here.
The "doom spiral" is not because of English Wiki, it has nothing to do with anything.
The problem described is that people who don't know a "niche" language try to contribute to a niche Wiki by using machine translation/LLMs.
As per the article:
Virtually every single article had been published by people who did not actually speak the language. Wehr, who now teaches Greenlandic in Denmark, speculates that perhaps only one or two Greenlanders had ever contributed. But what worried him most was something else: Over time, he had noticed that a growing number of articles appeared to be copy-pasted into Wikipedia by people using machine translators. They were riddled with elementary mistakes—from grammatical blunders to meaningless words to more significant inaccuracies, like an entry that claimed Canada had only 41 inhabitants. Other pages sometimes contained random strings of letters spat out by machines that were unable to find suitable Greenlandic words to express themselves.
Now, another problem is Model Collapse (or, well, a similar phenomenon in strictly in terms of language itself).
We now have a bunch of "niche" languages' Wikis containing such errors... that are being used to train machine translators and LLMs to handle these languages. This is contaminating their input data with errors and hallucinations, but since this is the training data, these LLMs consider everything in there as the truth, propagating the errors/hallucinations forward.
I honestly have no clue where you're getting anything chauvinistic here. The problem is imperfect technology being misused by irresponsible people.
Is it even getting misused? Spreading knowledge via machine translation where there are no human translators available, had to be better than not translating. As long as there is transparency so people can judge the results …..
And ai training trusting everything it reads is a larger systemic issue, not limited to this niche.
Perhaps part of the solution is machine readable citations. Maybe a search engine or ai could provide better results if it knew what was human generated vs machine generated. But even then you have huge gaps on one side with untrustworthy humans (like comedy) and on the other side with machine generated facts such as from a database
Is it even getting misused? Spreading knowledge via machine translation where there are no human translators available, had to be better than not translating. As long as there is transparency so people can judge the results
Sure there are limitations. The point still stands: an imperfect machine translation is better than no translation, as long as people understand it is.
Can we afford to allow a high bad deprive people of knowledge just because of the language they speak?
The article complains about the affect on languages of poor machine translations, but the affect of no translations is worse. Yes those Greenlanders should be able to read all of Wikipedia without learning English and even if the project has no human translators
Spreading knowledge via machine translation where there are no human translators available, had to be better than not translating
Have you not read my entire comment...?
One of the Greenlandic Wiki articles "claimed Canada had only 41 inhabitants". What use is a text like that? In what world is learning that Canada has 41 inhabitants better than going to the English version of the article and translating it yourself?
Perhaps part of the solution is machine readable citations
The contents of the citations are already used for training, as long as they're publicly available. That's not the problem. The problem is that LLMs do not understand context well, they are not, well, intelligent.
The "Chinese Room" thought experiment explains it best, I think: imagine you're in a room with writing utensils and a manual. Every now and again a letter falls in to the room through a slit in the wall. Your task is to take the letter and use the manual to write a response. If you see such and such shape, you're supposed to write this and that shape on the reply paper, etc. Once you're done, you throw the letter out through the slit. This goes back and forth.
To the person on the other side of the wall it seems like they're having a conversation with someone fluent in Chinese whereas you're just painting shapes based on what the manual tells you.
LLMs don't understand the prompts - they generate responses based on the probability of certain characters or words or sentences being next to each other when the prompt contains certain characters, words, and sentences. That's all there is.
There was a famous botched experiment where scientists where training an AI model to detect tumours. It got really accurate on the training data so they tested it on new cases gathered more recently. It gave a 100% certainty of a tumour being present if the photograph analysed had a yellow ruler on it, because most photos of tumours in the training data had that ruler for scale.
But even then you have huge gaps on one side with untrustworthy humans (like comedy) and on the other side with machine generated facts such as from a database
"Machine generated facts" are not facts, they're just hallucinations and falsehoods. It is 100% better to NOT have them at all and have to resort to the English wiki, than have them and learn bullshit.
Especially because, again, the contents of the Wikipedia are absolutely being used for training further LLM models. The more errors there are, the worse the models become eventually leading to a collapse of truth. We are already seeing this with whole "research" publications being generated, including "source" material invented on the spot, proving bogus results.
No one is saying those who can't access or reqd English wikipedia is inferior. The issue here is when what is on a non-english wikipedia article is misleading or flat out harmful (like the article says about growing crops), because of juvenile attempts at letting machine translations getting it very wrong. So what Greenland did was shut down its poorly translated and maintained wiki site instead of letting it fester with misinformation. And this issue compounding when LLMs scrape Wikipedia as a source to learn new languages.
The European Commission says the tech giants may have made it hard for researchers to access public data, which could impact research into whether users, including children, are being exposed to harmful content online.
Independent socialist Catherine Connolly’s coolness to Brussels and hostility to Donald Trump put her at odds with the Irish government.
She’s slammed NATO, voted against EU treaties, been accused of offering propaganda boosts for dictators from Russia to Syria — and now she’s on track to become Ireland’s next president.
Catherine Connolly, a former mayor of the western city of Galway who’s spent the past nine years as an opposition socialist lawmaker in Ireland’s parliament, has built a commanding polling lead ahead of Friday’s election versus her only challenger, former government minister Heather Humphreys from the center-ground Fine Gael party.
The latest opinion poll, published Wednesday night, put Connolly on 55.7 percent support compared to Humphreys’ 31.6 percent. Results will be announced Saturday, but the surprisingly fleet-footed 68-year-old Connolly acts and talks like she’s already won.
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Are you saying nothing they advocate for matters at all? No? Then where do you draw the line? Seems like a disingenuous statement. Of course it matters what the opinions of a elected official are.
Sure, it matters what the opinions of an elected official are. But when the elected official in question holds little to no power, then does it really matter what their specific opinion on NATO is, especially when the other candidates are right-wing dipshits? It's good to have a head of state with generally respectable opinions, but in the grand scheme of things, this doesn't matter.
I am not a "lib", the very term "liberal" isn't even used correctly in North America.
This was a very specific answer to specific claims (get rid of the US, stop collaborating with Israel). These are ridiculous statements in context of NATO's primary goal, defence against russian invasions.
Ok, now tell me how "Find a new boogeyman to justify a “defense” organization that has never acted in self-defense." translates to “BATO made putin do it” in your head.
But how could I forgot having America and its attack dog Israel run your "defensive" organization is a fundamental leftist position.
NATO shills are so full of it. Russia is both comically weak, but also such a threat that every country from Turkey to Canada must be a part of it. And must pour shit loads of money into it.
A lot of effort to defend against a country that can't even take a third of a much smaller and weaker neighbour.
Funny as well because the country next door that invaded and occupied Ireland for centuries (and still does a part of it) is in NATO. Russia never threatened Ireland. It's not hard to see why many Irish people reject this sort of militarism.
Russia is a threat to the previous area controlled by URSS . You so stupid if you think Russia is a big risk for the USA and Canada and even Europeen countries like the U.K and France. I also I don't mean that countries not at risk from Russian threat shouldn't support Ukraine .
These are ridiculous statements in context of NATO’s primary goal
They are facts. Opposing NATO doesn't necessary mean not supporting Ukrainians. Countries has signed international conventions that gives right to support the occupied like Ukraine and Gaza without being in NATO.
Do you still trust the USA what the rest of NATO will do if the USA goes full Russian supporter?
NATO is a supporter of Israel which shouldn't has anything to do with the area that they try to protect
A new Palestinian state would need help in disarming Hamas and other terrorist groups, while Israel would need reassurance that it would not have to bear the burden of protecting its citizens alone. And NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer’s openness to a NATO mission in Iraq bodes well both for bolstering a new Iraqi government and for rebuilding Alliance unity.
Look at how Nato can't even condemn Israeli occupation and backing of settlements and violent settlers
The US is a bigger military force (qualitatively and quantitatively) than all other NATO members combined (although UK/France are no slouches and some smaller countries like Poland, Sweden, Finland hold their own). This is a critical issue in holding back the russians.
You denying this (and ignoring that russia is currently occupying 3 non-NATO members, Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia), says everything we need to know.
The real irony is that I lean much more towards the Palestinian side, but that doesn't mean I am going to buying into "DATO forced poor putin to invade1!"
I am going to buying into “DATO forced poor putin to invade1!”
You are assuming that I am one of those. I am the one who want all countries to respect international laws and not supporting occupiers whatever it is Ukraine, Palestine or any other not you
You denying this (and ignoring that russia is currently occupying 3 non-NATO members, Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia), says everything we need to know.
Read my comments again . I said that the countries that risks to be occupied again by Russia former controlled area . Maldova and Georgia was both part of the URSS and shouldn't be part of Russia or occupied by it again
I dont even care about her politics, but bro looks like she is gonna fall over dead in 20 minutes. Nobody should be allowed to become president of anything at almost 70. Retirement age is 65 for a reason. Just sit back and enjoy your remaining 10 years on the planet and let the people that will actually live to see the results of their work make decisions.
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I agree, good advisor for sure and why not a White House post? But not president or vice. Let him be the guru, but I’m so done with old people in power, even on the left.
The president is a powerless figure head so her opinions dont matter, I am disappointed we couldn't vote Michael D again, atleast he brought his dogs out for meet and greets.
One thing to recognise here is that neither governmental party was able to field a viable candidate against her. FF, the major government partner, had their candidate quit the race after the first debate. FG, the junior partner, nominated a candidate who clearly didn't want to run, due to all the skeletons in her closet the media are now dragging out.
To be fair, however, the government always faces an uphill battle. Our President, despite being largery powerless, had been viewed in the past two decades or so as the moral counterweight to the immoral government. Nominating a former government minister was thus a very tone-deaf decision.
... the repression was not about defending “order and social peace” but about sending a message to imperialism and the multinationals operating in the country that the new government would defend capitalism and guarantee the profits extracted from the exploitation of Peruvian workers.
The repression sends a message to imperialism and the multinationals that the new government will guarantee the profits extracted from the exploitation of Peruvian workers.
KUALA LUMPUR: Hundreds of protestors gathered in Malaysia’s capital on Friday afternoon (Oct 24) to rally against United States President Donald Trump’s attendance of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) Summit.
Pope Leo is literally American, so presumably some US Catholics trust in his leadership and agree. Not all Catholics are like Cardinals Burke and Dolan.
It certainly doesn’t hurt. There are still plenty of Catholics listening to what the Pope says, especially at the Catholic schools and colleges across the country.
the thing is, is that in North America, alot of people are christans now, and follow the bible VERBATIM and dont consult the pope or other religious figures for clarity or, if you could call it this, errata. There's a video going around of some christian dude saying that its christian to say slavery is not wrong, yet this is not true for roman Catholics, there needs to be a hard line drawn between the two, as the former is what is a majority of trumps voter base, the the later find what they do is a bastardizaion.
I mostly agree, although I would say they follow the Bible verbatim™, where in reality they are just following what their local pastor or grandfather is saying the Bible says. Some common things they do take literally such as the Earth being only 6,000 to 10,000 years old, there being a literal Garden of Eden, and a literal Noah’s Ark.
Whatever whacko is trying to say ‘slavery isn’t wrong’ is not a Christian imo.
I feel that many Catholics I know call themselves Catholic first, rather than saying they are Christian and then clarifying that they are Catholic.
Off-topic: I feel a lot of these issues unfortunately came about from Christianity fracturing around the wrong thing. Christianity fractured around people having to do good works to go into heaven, as those leaving the Catholic church thought that faith alone was sufficient. The Catholic church of that time was greedy, they were letting people buy their way into purgatory, so that they could then go into heaven. The original Martin Luther, saw that greediness and called the Catholic church out, but he was calling them out and fractured the church over the wrong reasons imo.
Because they went off the basis of faith being sufficient; it opened the door for “Christians” to be genuinely awful to others since all they had to do was ask God for forgiveness right before they died and it was ‘All Good™’. The Bible calls on Christians to love one another, even people they might call their enemy they are called to love. I feel more of these people need to actually read the words of Jesus, because he is not condoning any of this type of hateful behavior.
the Bank for International Settlements estimates that overseas bank lending in renminbi to borrowers in developing countries rose by $373bn in the four years to the end of March.
“The year 2022 marked a turning point away from dollar- and euro-denominated credit and towards renminbi-denominated credit” to such borrowers, the BIS said.
Taiwan officials reach out to conservative US media
June, Vice President Hsiao Bi-khim, a fluent English speaker and formerly Taiwan's de facto ambassador to the United States, gave an interview to the Shawn Ryan Show, while in May, then Presidential Office spokesperson Lii Wen wrote an op-ed in the conservative Washington Times.
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Israeli airstrikes have targeted multiple areas in eastern and southern Lebanon, claiming to hit Hezbollah targets. Israel has been carrying out regular attacks on Lebanon despite a nearly year-old ceasefire between it and Hezbollah.
The ceasefire includes the requirement of Hezbollah completely withdrawing from southern Lebanon and gives Israel the right to attack them, if they don’t. So this is in accordance with the ceasefire deal.
Lol you think the israelis wouldn't have found a pretext to bomb Lebanon? They repeatedly bombed Syria even though the new leader is a CIA puppet who is desperate to lick Netanyahu's boots.
The ceasfire deal has already been broken multiple times without enforcement actions from any third parties. There is no ceasfire, only a document not being followed.
The semi-emotionless, or at least restrained emotional delivery of the lines always hit me really hard. They never screamed, never cried, but the matter of fact way they said Kharak was burning, and how you needed to hunt down the perpetrators… it was chilling. The emotion was somehow bleached out of the voices, yet so, so, so powerfully deep and present nonetheless… I don’t know how they managed it, but it was incredible.
I agree, that's the genuine beauty of it, their layered performance. We could hear their emotions as much as we could hear them hiding their emotions. Genius
The American think tank Heritage Foundation has published a report calling for a massive buildup of the U.S. nuclear arsenal. According to the document, by 2050, Washington should more than double its number of deployed strategic nuclear warheads, which, combined with non-strategic charges, would bring the total to 4,625 units.
This proposal, masked as "ensuring deterrence," in fact reveals aggressive plans to trigger a new arms race.
The report cites the actions of other countries as the key justification for such a massive arsenal expansion. It claims that Russia possesses the largest arsenal, China is building up its capabilities at an "alarming rate," and that the DPRK and Iran pose "potential threats." Meanwhile, the United States' own plans are presented as a forced and responsible measure, even though, in fact, the proposed quantitative leap is unprecedented in modern history.
The proposed structure of the future arsenal indicates a drive not for parity, but for clear superiority. The plans include:
▪️ Increasing the fleet of Sentinel intercontinental ballistic missiles. ▪️ Deploying new B-21 Raider strategic bombers. ▪️ Commissioning Columbia-class submarines. ▪️ Massively expanding the fleet of non-strategic nuclear weapons, including cruise missiles and forward-deployed systems in Europe and the Asia-Pacific region.
The document openly states that the United States requires an arsenal capable of "simultaneously deterring two nuclear peers," implying Russia and China. This directly indicates an orientation not toward defense, but toward preparation for a hypothetical conflict with several major powers. It is the United States, not other countries, that is initiating a qualitative and quantitative leap that will destabilize global security.
The publication by the Heritage Foundation, whose analytical materials often form the basis of legislative initiatives in the U.S. Congress, exposes Washington's true intentions. Under the pretext of "responding to threats," the United States is laying the groundwork for an unprecedented buildup of its nuclear might. The plans to increase the arsenal to 4,625 deployed warheads are a telling sign of who is truly the main driver of the new global nuclear arms race.
The world security environment is deteriorating. The Russian invasion of Ukraine continues unabated. Iranian proxies continue to attack Israel. North Korea regularly threatens to incinerate American and allied cities with nuclear weapons.
Further evidence that Christian evangelicals are trying to destroy the planet and proactively create the end of times... because they're fucking deeply mentally ill.
I've actually seen a theory that the proliferation of nuclear weapons, and the resulting "sword of Damocles" effect from it, has lead to a general shift of society to more YOLO / instant gratification behavior with less regard for the future.
Don't know if there is anything to back it up, but I've seen it a few times.
Just, why? Why? We already have more nukes than anyone except Russia, and even that is just a number at this point. There is no deterrence gain for adding more. None. Even accepting deterrence arguments as valid, we already have far in excess of what's needed. At most, we need to swap some old cores.
What was the "right" number? Given the subjective nature of the process, there can be no single figure. However, over the years, a number of knowledgeable individuals have tried to quantify a minimum nuclear requirement and it is worth considering the results of some of their efforts.
In 1957, Admiral Arleigh Burke, then the chief of naval operations, estimated that 720 warheads aboard 45 Polaris submarines were sufficient to achieve deterrence. This figure took into account the fact that some weapons would not work and that some would be destroyed in a Soviet attack (Burke believed that just 232 warheads were required to destroy the Soviet Union). At the time Burke made this estimate, the U.S. arsenal already held six times as many warheads.
Several years later, in 1960, General Maxwell Taylor, former Army chief of staff and future chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, wrote that "a few hundred reliable and accurate missiles" (armed with a few hundred warheads) and supplemented by a small number of bombers was adequate to deter the Soviet Union. Yet by this time the United States had some 7,000 strategic nuclear warheads.
In 1964, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and his "whiz kids" calculated that 400 "equivalent megatons" (megatons weighted to take into account the varying blast effects from warheads of different yields) would be enough to achieve Mutual Assured Destruction and destroy the Soviet Union as a functioning society. At that time, the U.S. arsenal contained 17,000 equivalent megatons, or 17 billion tons of TNT equivalent.
Even if we accept that we have to have these infernal things, we're at least an order of magnitude beyond what we actually need.
This is pure giveaway to nuclear military contractors.
The increase in non-strategic nuclear weapons (regional or battlefield) is an especially scary capability that we intentionally backed away from. Just no.
The concept of needing a massive buildup to counter emerging nuclear powers is just laughable. Do they even look at what they’re writing?
I have to admit that having some number of hypersonic missiles with nuclear warheads may be a good idea
But the missed their opportunity with hypersonic missiles. As those become available worldwide, they increase the chances of an unblockable preemptive attack occurring with no chance for reaction. We don’t need more nuclear weapons (and fewer would be preferable) but they need to be survivable enough to be a valid deterrent
I like how they can't even name China as making more nukes, just "enhanced capabilities" because it's well known that China doesn't mass produce nukes just like every other nuclear power like UK, France, India. Pakistan, etc.
Look how war is evolving in Ukraine. The future of warfare lies in decentralized swarms of little drones, not the power to eradicate entire cities in one shot. In a world war, China would flex it's manufacturing superiority and pivot towards small, precision drones that would overwhelm and destabilize any country's ability to even control a nuclear arsenal. Nukes serve as a vengeance panic button to assert that if we can't win, no life will.
The heritage foundation is scared of the US being overtaken by China because all they understand is power. They will not cede the hegemony to China, as the loss of unchallenged power (in their reckoning) is tantamount to inevitable apocalypse. They want the apocalyptic panic button.
Are we incapable of completely glassing literally every nuclear armed nation's population centers? If not then it's just an expensive and dangerous alternative to diplomacy. If so, it's just an expensive, dangerous, and unhelpful alternative to therapy.
This seems like a cool project. I especially love the UI's similarity to Discord, but it still has a long road ahead to be a viable chat platform IMO.
I've been periodically checking in with ~~Revolt~~ Stoat for about a year now, and personally, the two things that I'm waiting for are: 1. Voice chat - It seems like this is coming, but they had to clean up a bunch or tech debt first 2. Federation - Self-hosted chat is great, but not being able to talk to other servers is incredibly limiting for a social tool. AFAIK they're not planning on implementing this. This is likely a deal-breaker for a lot of folks.
I'm currently running Matrix synapse, and while matrix is kinda a messy ecosystem, it's really hard to compete with its maturity and adoption in the FOSS / Self-Hosted space.
Also, not super important, but this blog post reads like it's AI generated.
i honestly think that if revolt had federation, then it would be the obvious choice for me, but alas. personally i'm still hopeful for polyproto getting off the ground, but the boring realistic choice for the time being is probably something like XMPP + mumble
i think for my purposes i'm fine with hosting that through a separate service, so instead of XMPP + mumble i would run polyproto + mumble (or some other voip solution, screen sharing seems to be a decent way away in mumble)
but (as i understand it), polyproto isn't a chat protocol per se, but more a protocol for federated message authentication. as an application of this protocol, they're building polyproto-chat, which is a chat protocol. in theory, one could then also build a polyproto-voice so you can use the same account for both chatting and voice calls. i still think this is pretty far away, considering how young polyproto is, which is why my current vision is chat and voice as two separate services (which i also prefer because i imagine it makes the technology simpler and hosting easier)
What resources, suggestions, and support can those of us who are already here provide to potential newcomers? And what can we do to prepare for – and encourage – a potential influx?
Media Revolution's Media Liberation Day on November 5 is encouraging people to liberate themselves from malignant corporate media to explore decentralized social networks. It's a great opportunity to bring people to fedi ...
I would say the main thing is being nice and letting people explore, and providing spaces/communities for people to come back and ask questions when they have them. When people bring up issues or suggest things that they want to see, we shouldn't crap on what they prefer their online experience to be (ex. preferred algorithms, content they want to block, etc.)
Resources wise, we created this guide and I like to link these two particular pages for fediverse/lemmy. I feel that they help give a high level overview of how things work:
That would probably help. Do you want to become a mod on !newcomers@piefed.zip ? If yes, should I appoint @otter@piefed.ca ? Cross platform moderation can probably be a bit finicky
As a digital comms and usability professional, I'd suggest you do some testing and refinement of these materials. I commend your efforts but these are not something I would ever hand out to a 50yr old volunteer if I want them to sign up to use a fedi community instead of FB
"When you want to send an email, you don't need to use the same email provider as the person you're sending it to." is not a helpful thing for a newbie (though I understand why you have included it)... This sort of content indicates the gulf between the (user's) mental model and the (system designer's) conceptual design is too great.
I have students who can help you with this stuff for free. If you're interested, DM me.
I think engaging with people on a human level rather than giving unsolicited advice on how to use fediverse to every new face around could be a place to start. Half the time I see a new user here they seem to get flooded with technical advice that, while well-meaning, is somewhat off-putting.
A simple "Welcome! Don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions about how to make the most of your time here" is plenty for most people. And if they do ask questions, go wild.
Is there a good community in which newcommers can ask basic questions, like a fedi help desk community/no stupid questions fedi edition? I feel like that could be useful to point people to. Edit: Blaze linked !newcomers@piefed.zip in another comment.
Probably just by having fun in your own communities and in general. When people see a group of people laughing and posting memes its naturally a place they want to lurk and join in on. I think the worst part we can do is give long winded explanations of federation. Best just keep it simple and tell them to join a generic server
I would tweak that a hair and tell people just to make an account somewhere and observe for a bit. Lemmy can have some very distinct groups that reside on very specific instances. Or not. It's a "pick your adventure" kind of scenario, IMHO.
It took about six months or so for me to settle into .ca after bouncing around a bit. It's not really a pain to switch instances, but I personally like my chat history in one spot and I like the concept of a 'home instance'.
Depending on your client and your settings, your feed could have a bias that leans in the direction of the posts on your home instance, so that is something of note. Not saying that is bad or good, it just is what it is.
Observe while participating is what I meant. The intent is to give a person a heads up that cliques still exist on Lemmy and it may take a bit to understand them. In my case, I found the first instance I wouldn't participate on when I was classified as a fascist baby killer for some reason. (Some instances hadn't been mostly defederated back then.)
Do some usability testing and improvement - Recruit volunteer UX / usability professionals to run studies with users and recommend usability improvements. - Be prepared for some critical feedback. - Organise and prioritise the feedback - Recruit some volunteer UI designers, graphic designers and devs with experience of working with UXers to refine and implement the usability fixes
Provide more user-friendly onboarding, signup, sign-in, password management etc. The barriers are very high even for those of us with good tech confidence.
Provide better approaches and platforms for small groups (volunteer organisations, hobby and interest groups and neighbourhoods) to replace Facebook Groups and similar.
Gain more experience of working with non-tech users, e.g. volunteer at your local library, seniors' IT classes, to understand the challenges that 80% of users would face in using fedi products and gain some insights into how to resolve those issues
Foreign Affairs Minister Anita Anand said she is seeking a balance between alleviating economic stress and pursuing Ottawa's security and human rights priorities.
Just three years after Canada called China a “disruptive global power,” Foreign Affairs Minister Anita Anand says Canada now views Beijing as a strategic partner in a dangerous world.
“We must be nuanced in our diplomacy. We must stress our concerns relating to security and public safety on the one hand, and we must seek to build additional supply chains on the other. That is pragmatism,” she said.
A much welcomed change given the US has tanked multiple parts of our economy within less than 9 months of this presidency. And strategic partnership is the right approach. We could also use this as leverage in our negotiations with the US. That is if negotiations resume after the abrupt bullshit Mango Mussolini pulled today.
We can't trust any negotiations we make with him long term anyways.
Quite frankly, in the absolute best case scenario, we have to hunker down, diversify trade, bolster our support systems, and hope to high heavens that our neighbours start back taking their lithium.
...even after Ottawa emulated American restrictions on Chinese vehicles.
Those restrictions were not just about "emulating American restrictions"...they were also about protecting the Canadian automotive industry from trying to compete with cheap Chinese imports flooding the Canadian market. And at a time when our manufacturing industry is being hit hard by US tariffs, we need those restrictions more than ever.
Part of what Carney promised on the campaign trail was to continue to develop Canada's internal automotive manufacturing supply chains...which include all the necessary materials and components for our own EV's, right down to the battery technology.
Currently, everything is still in the investment and developmental stages, but the framework is there. Canada has all the rare earth elements to rival Chinese production...we just need to invest in the infrastructure to fully process them. This will take time and money.
Which is why allowing Chinese companies to enter our market at this stage, would derail the entire process. Why make the long-term investment in Canadian made products, when China can supply them for a fraction of the cost, right now? Our own capabilities would die before they have the chance to even get off the ground...and we would become dependent on China, right after declaring independence from the US.
All true, however the consumers of the finished battery cells would be North American EV production, because there's large scale battery production in the rest of the world. Maybe the EU could import some. Or maybe they'll just want raw material for their battery factories. But on our end, as far as I'm aware everyone of the auto manufacturers here is cancelling or scaling down their Canadian EV plans. The EV landscape in the US doesn't look good either with Trump actively working to undermine them. Point being that without considering the Chinese EVs, the investments that haven't been cancelled yet, already are at risk. I expect investors being fickle as they are, especially during uncertainty and downturns, to cancel further supply chain investments, unless our gov't steps in. And I think our gov't should step in but less to prop them up and more to buy these projects and put them under a crown corp that develops these resources. That still leaves us with the problem of what to put those batteries in. Chinese EVs built here could fulfill that role. Any such work should start early so that it can be operational by the time the batt supply chain is up. As for direct imports, those would compete with ICE vehicles built in NA. That poses a risk to Canadian auto manufacturing since we only build ICE. But we do have a problem with auto prices the rest of the economy so the gov't has to consider that risk vs the risk of layoffs. For example the price of the F-150 used across the construction industry is a cost for the tradespeople working in it. Finally if we consider the worst case scenario where we get mass layoffs due to Trump's actions, then the high vehicle price problem would become more significant for a lot of people who have their incomes slashed. That's where cheaper direct imports could help dampen the impact on our car-dependent economy. If I were Carney, I'd probably model these scenarios and if here's a benefit, set appropriate taxes/quotas on these EVs to achieve it, and change it as needed to match the rest of the economic context. As for new factories, I'd start those yesterday.
Yeah, if the multi-polarity comes true, there will likely be several blocks (the EU, Mercosur, others) that will cooperate closely, while trusted partnerships will remain only among trusted countries (such as among democratic countries worldwide). Within these partnerships there could be free trade, between them, however, we'll likely see some sort of tit-for-tat economy - do trade where it fits and where it has no impact on our core interests regarding economy and security.
Canada's "strategic partnership" with China will be one of these tit-for-tat partnerships, but the country's future lies in collaborations with the EU, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, and other democracies.
U.S. President Donald Trump says he is terminating all trade negotiations with Canada over an advertisement by the Ontario government that uses the late U.S. president Ronald Reagan's own words to send an anti-tariff message to American audiences.
In a late-night post to his Truth Social platform, Trump attacked the ad, which he attributed to Canada rather than Ontario, as fraudulent and fake.
"TARIFFS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY, AND ECONOMY, OF THE U.S.A." Trump wrote. "Based on their egregious behavior, ALL TRADE NEGOTIATIONS WITH CANADA ARE HEREBY TERMINATED."
Donald Trump said he had terminated all U.S. trade negotiations with Canada.
Trump said he was doing so because of an allegedly “fake” advertisement that Canada was airing that features former President Ronald Reagan speaking negatively about tariffs.
Doug Ford, the premier of the Ontario province in Canada, recently said the province would spend $75 million on ads to run in the United States featuring Reagan criticizing tariffs
President Trump claimed Canada ran an ad featuring former President Ronald Reagan talking about tariffs to influence a pending U.S. Supreme Court case.
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The king had his feelings hurt and he has no one to blame but himself.
He signed a trade agreement with Mexico and Canada during his first term which he isn't honoring anymore. And then he is annoyed that people are feeling angry at his shenanigans.
Oh no, Canada doesn't get to negotiate with the most dishonest and malicious administration in US history. What a terrible loss. I'm sure there was going to be a major breakthrough any minute now if not for this. Fucking loser.
So Trump'd seen the ad three days prior to his supposed late night melt down. And he's again making large, market disruptive comments on a Friday, which will likely get toned down by Monday/Tuesday.
This just smells like more market manipulation on behalf of wealthy backers that want to fleece people further.
that's the beautiful part about trump with all this, the idiot is so far gone and stupid that anyone even remotely smart/logical has to hedge on the assumption he actually carries through with whatever bullshit he says.
the wolves are running the show right now, and they have plenty of lambs and pigs to choose from
your not going to get anything from negotiating with trump, it should be perfectly clear now how this idiot and those behind him operate. "negotiate" and you just open yourself up to another shakedown later on
maybe seeing a video of their jesus saying tariffs with allies are stupid is what some idiots in america need to wakeup
New Copilot and agentic experiences make powerful AI easy on Windows 11
Today, we’re taking an exciting step forward with a new wave of updates that make every Windows 11 PC an AI PC – with Copilot at the center of it al
With 68% of consumers reporting using AI to support their decision making, voice is making this easier. [1]
Does anybody actually believe that 68% of consumers use or even want Copilot? But they included a source for this very generous assertion at the bottom of the page:
[1] Based on Microsoft-commissioned online study of U.S. consumers ages 13 years of age or older conducted by Edelman DXI and Assembly, 1,000 participants, July 2025.
Oh yeah, that's compelling: US consumers, 13 years old and older. An entire thousand of them!
So the only question I have left is which junior high principal Microsoft "compensated" for this survey, and what happened to the 320 summer school attendees who said fuck you, no anyway.
Yeah, I’d believe it. Outside of anti-AI circlejerks people like AI, especially ones like ChatGPT, and especially if it is available right at their fingertips. It’s quickly becoming a part of everyday life and processes.
The anti-AI people need to start accepting that today and every day after it is going be the day that AI plays the smallest part in humanity’s future. The genie is out of the bottle and it’s never going back in. The sooner they can accept that and let go of the hate and see it for what it is - a useful tool to help you - the better and less angry their lives will be.
How useful is it really? I constantly hear about it being wrong and I’m not so stupid that I can’t handle a search through Wikipedia on my own.
Why should accept this thing that is of such little benefit to my life? Why should I accept this thing that is constantly wrong? Why should I accept this thing that just allows uncreative and insecure people to fill the internet full of garbage?
If you need AI as it is to help you do things then I pity you greatly.
Ok but we know that it’s very often wrong and tries too hard to make you feel good instead of actually giving correct answers. It makes up reasons for made-up sayings, often struggles with math, and has a whole host of other issues while acting fully confident in its infallibility. We have several studies that seem to show that its use is having a negative affect on ohr critical thinking skills as well. After all that it doesn’t even provide a service that’s worth anything even if it didn’t come with all those downsides. Using a search engine just isn’t that difficult and AI “art” is a goddamn cancer.
It’s terrible for us and we don’t even need it! No, fuck “AI”. We have a big enough problem with people trying to find the easy way out to such a degree that they refuse to learn how anything works and slapping a big “do it for me” button on everything is just insane. I’m not saying that everything needs to difficult but we are so averse to even the slightest challenge that it leaves us with nothing but a complete lack of basic skills and an assload of insecurity.
AI is a tool. It’s not a person, it’s not a be-all-end-all of anything. Just like a person can use excel and come up with the wrong numbers, people can use AI and come up with the wrong answer.
Just like with every tool, there are people who can’t use them properly, there are people who are good enough to get modest results, and there are people who are experts at their craft who can do amazing things with them. AI is no different.
If you want a calculator, use a calculator - not AI. Use the right tool for the job and you’ll get the best result.
Studies can be made to say anything, and I know the ones you are talking about - they’re bogus.
Except that anyone who can use it properly can also just do the job without it, and the amount of damage it is doing because it’s freely available to everyone is insane.
You’re completely ignoring all my arguments. This sorta makes sense since your original reply was very “just ignore the bad stuff and it’s good!” but you’re going to have to address those things. I meanc, you did say “they’re bogus” and then not elaborate at all, but I’m assuming that if you have the energy to continuing writing comments then you would also have the energy to do the far more efficient thing and show me why those studies are bogus, right?
No I'm not, I addressed them. LLMs not being able to do maths/spelling is a known shortcoming. Anyone using it to do that is literally using it wrong. The studies you talk about were ridiculous, I know the ones you're talking about. Of course people that don't learn something won't know how to do it, for example - but the fact that they can do it with AI is a positive. Obviously getting AI to write an essay means that the person will feel less "proud" of their work, as one of the studies said - but that's not a "bad" thing. Just like how people don't need to learn how to hunt and gather anymore doesn't mean that it's a bad thing - the world as it is, and as it always will be from here on out, means we don't need to know that unless we want to do it.
Again - AI is a tool, and idiots being able to use it to great effect doesn't mean that the tool is bad. If anything that's a showing of how good the tool is.
Those studies aren’t about them feeling less proud, they’re about the degradation of critical thinking skills.
I have repeatedly said that isn’t worth anything largely because it doesn’t do anything I can’t do with relative ease. Why do you think it’s so great? What do you honestly use it for?
As one example I built an MCP server that lets LLMs access a reporting database, and made a Copilot Agent and integrated it into Teams, so now the entire business can ask a chat bot questions, using natural language in teams, about business data. It can run reports for them on demand, pulling in new columns/tables. It can identify when there might be something wrong as it also reads from our logs.
These people don’t know databases. They don’t know how to read debug/error logs.
I also use GitHub copilot.
But sure, it can’t be of any help to anyone ever lol
I’ll take your word for it to not just be saying “no” but I still have to wonder why it needs “AI” and if people are going to build up a reliance on it to the point where they start to not be able to find that info on their own. I mean, hell, like you say they already can’t handle the databases so why are they even fucking around in there anyway/why aren’t they learning how to use them if they’re so important for their jobs?
Because in teams you could type (or say) "how many customers are still awaiting their refunds for their services that were cancelled last week?" and it will go and do its little AI magic and respond with the answer.
people are going to build up a reliance on it to the point where they start to not be able to find that info on their own
But they can never find it on their own - it's in a database, they have to use some tool to get it. Why can't that tool be AI?
they already can’t handle the databases so why are they even fucking around in there anyway
They're not! That's the point. This way it gives them access to information that they would usually have to put in a support ticket, or run multiple reports and then try and compile them together, for example, to get. Now they can just ask a bot in teams a question and they get the answer.
why aren’t they learning how to use them if they’re so important for their jobs?
Because their job isn't to access the production database.
I recently became interessted in learning about static site generators. So I decided to start a little 11ty blog, in which I teach people, who are new to self-hosting, how to securely set up their own server with Ubuntu and Docker.
For now, I've got my Beginners Guide series as well as a more detailed introduction to SSH and its features. I plan to eventually write down all I've learned about self-hosting in the past 20 years.
Hope it ends up being helpful for some of you.
EDIT (2025-10-28): Finally got around to get a proper domain and switched my blog to Hugo. Much easier to deal with and more capable imho than 11ty (and actually useful documentation as well). Oh and got rid of Netlify. Their 300 credit limit for a free deploy project is far too limiting if any deploy costs 15 credits...
Yes, as I said it's a debian base. But Proxmox is built for servers and using it to host and share containers or virtual machines is super simple. Especially with the community helper scripts that can set up different self-hosting projects within minutes with minimal tinkering.
It depends on the project/container. Some containers run Debian, some Alpine, some Ubuntu. I mostly rely on the community scripts from here and use the defaults.
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Setting up a VPS with Ubuntu Server
This shouldn’t exist in the same article lol. You will just end up paying in subscriptions anyways while at the same time maintaining all the stacks — that too on Ubuntu where some articles will become useless after a few updates. Even 10$ a month will result in $120 every year — which can buy you a half decent second hand PC or a new Mini PC. You won’t even own your data when you rent a VPS.
You will end up saving a lot more by self hosting on your own hardware with vanilla Debian and be more independent at the same time. You will only need a VPS if you want to self-host your own reverse tunnel like Pangolin or FRP.
The amount of baseless Ubuntu Server hate in this sub is pretty sad. I've used Ubuntu Server, without any problems, for more than a decade. And at no point where there any significant changes to the way things are done. So I really think your comment about articles becoming useless has no basis in reality.
As for using your own hardware. Nothing in this guide necessarily requires a VPS. And you seem to completely ignore the upkeep and electricity costs of having your own hardware at home.
Not to mention the convenience of a public IP, which is something not every ISP around the world offers. And yes, you can use a dynamic DNS provider to get around that, but then you publish your private IP onto the entire internet.
The guide was focused on being as simple and convenient as possible, with the target audience being absolute beginners to self-hosting. If it doesn't speak to you, feel free to write your own.
If it works for you then great. But it doesn’t stand with your goal of Corporate Independence and Willingness to Learn — Given that it is slightly easier to setup than Vanilla Debian. But at the end of the day it is just Corporate Debian with more up-to date packages but overall less stable than Vanilla Debian.
upkeep and electricity costs of having your own hardware at home
It really won’t be much unless you’re gonna go for extremely beefy hardware like for Jellyfin hosting hundreds of newer codec 4k files with HDR and shit with dozens of users or some LLM — which anyways still would be cheaper than renting a VPS. Otherwise even a Raspberry Pi can do a decent job or even a mini pc (with something like Intel N100) which draws less power than a Mobile Phone charger. It also aligns with the idea of beginner friendly setup than using a VPS which half the people will even skip reading the Terms & Conditions and Privacy Policies. So hosting something like Immich or Nextcloud, which is not encrypted at rest, is pretty much available for the VPS provider at instant.
convenience of a public IP
You don’t need a public IP to self-host. A beginner should start with private at first, learn from there and gain and grow otherwise it can lead to security risks — e.g you have mentioned to self-host Immich which doesn’t have any native 2FA. The self-hoster then will have to know about SSO based logins to secure instances like these.
use a dynamic DNS provider to get around
You also have Cloudflare Tunnel, Tailscale. Or you can use a 5$/month VPS in this instance to self-host Pangolin with Crowdsec for public access and block malicious or suspicious IPs. All of these options will mask your real public IP.
The guide was focused on being as simple and convenient as possible, with the target audience being absolute beginners
Ok but this asks for a lot of upfront investment. You don’t need to buy a domain or a VPS as a beginner (or even a mini PC as I mentioned). Just start with a PC or a Laptop you already own. Host the service and access it via private IPs instead of handholding them to copy and paste commands, configs and compose files from the internet (although you do have mentioned official documentation so kudos for that) just for the convenience of public access. A lot of people don’t know the 3-2-1 backup rule. One error might wipe off their entire Immich Library, Password Vaults or important documents in Nextcloud.
Really? Netplan alone disqualifies Ubuntu as a "friendly stable starter distro", and I can guarantee you that your guide will somehow become outdated with a single new Ubuntu release, or some poor soul who accidentally selected an LTS release.
Docker doesn't matter as much, but there's a reason beyond just FOSS licensing why podman exists.
Would highly recommend Debian instead.
I started on Ubuntu similar to this many years ago and both the server and desktop experience was not fun at all.
Thank you for your very helpful and friendly criticism. I temporarily used Netlify, because I haven't gotten around to program a proper deploy script for my Forgejo git repo.
I have wanted to self host ever since I joined the fediverse 5 years ago. Always ends up with one or another error message that I cant get through. But I might give this a chance.
One thing I wish I knew earlier is the "man" command to display the documentation of a command.
This 11ty sounds like a nice off the shelf solution to getting a blog started, which I want to do, but how to allow comments? I guess I'm asking what's everyone around here solution for comments
Can't really help you there, since comments were never a consideration for me. They would add an unneeded amount of moderation, and potential threat, to my blog.
I think I want to do a coding / dev blog and hope that some comments help me explore other ways to write code that's why I'm thinking of allowing comments. Thoughts?
I think I want to do a coding / dev blog and hope that some comments help me explore other ways to write code that's why I'm thinking of allowing comments. Thoughts on this? Also, discus might work. Thank!
This is my solar powered setup. A somewhat old Pixel 6a that fell from a foot and a half (really!?), a 10w Solar setup that was around 20$ on amazon. And an old compost container I have too many of. Ill be giving it a proper 3d printed case when I get a c
This is my solar powered setup. A somewhat old Pixel 6a that fell from a foot and a half (really!?), a 10w Solar setup that was around 20$ on amazon. And an old compost container I have too many of. Ill be giving it a proper 3d printed case when I get a chance (and a host of other changes) but for now this works! Its worth about 40$ in total (the phone is now worth about 21$ on the open market).
Website was made with a collection of scripts, apache2 (nginx for some reason did not install, errors), and termux. Ill open source the whole setup in a bit. Theres not much to it to be honest.
Hopefully keeping the battery at 80% will help the lifetime of the battery. I may bump it up at some point if it keeps dieing because lack of sunlight. But we shall see.
More info in the link. I couldn't get Piefed to repost from a GotoSocial link.
Its a solar powered webserver. Its running on an old beat up pixel 6a worth about 20$ and a 10w solar panel. I'm going to make a more formal writeup at some point but for now, it works!
I have it set to 80% forever so the battery will last. Without any charging it can last around 2 days. So we shall see if 10w is enough.
There's a lot I can improve about the setup. Its on WiFi so it can be slow well 300ms slow on load). And has absolutely no chache other than what comes with Apache. The site is very minimalist to save both power and time (I spent maybe 2 hours doing all this, most of the coding last weekend). The stats page needs to be updated, there's a couple bugs in the WH side of things.
I cannot keep track which models have issues but isn't the 6a one of those with battery bloat issues? Might remember wrong. Definitley a cool project! Is the phone not getting super hot in that plastic box?
postmarketOS, mobian, etc.. these are 'real' linux distros that work without the android parts. as your device doesn't have a (near-)mainline kernel port i believe you can boot postmarketOS with the stock downstream kernel, though many peripherals won't function.
halium based distros like ubports and droidian use a part of the android userspace to make those peripherals work, which can be better if mainline is not possible.
You’re looking at a completely rebuilt version of the solar powered website, which now allows you to turn off the dithering compression and see the original images.
Depending on the dongle, that would increase power consumption. I think that is difficult in the current state, seeing that there is not much power to spare at the moment.
That sounds like way too much, unless you have a really congested network or interference in the area. Should be able to get it at least 10x faster, unless you're taking the web server page load time into account in your latency numbers and not just the network.
Its the entire request. Its definitely not the software, that takes > 20 ms if its direct connected via Ethernet usbc. You are entirely correct, it can be much faster like my other services are.
Its wifi 2.4 across multiple walls. Im frankly surprised its only 200+ ms delay with the amount of signals in the area.
I'll assume it's cool, but currently hugged to death for me. Just wanted to point out batteries are replaceable even if glued, fixed my GrapheneOS Pixel7 after it killed itself (spicy pillow) charging in heat in a warmer country. iFixit kit + video worked, then got a Chargie which lets you set a temperature above which it will not charge (33C for me, only charges at night in summer). Probably relevant in your case.
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Has anyone figured out how to make android use a static IPv6 address? If I have to run a reverse proxy on a real PC, I may as well just host the website from that PC.
Does it do that even if you set it to "use device MAC" for the wi-fi network you're on?
The exact location might depend on brand/OS, but in stock Android it's in Settings > Network & Internet > Internet > gear icon next to active wi-fi network > Privacy.
I had the idea to use an old phone as a server recently. Phones are pretty energy efficient, so it seems like it'd be a smart way to recycle one. Does anyone know if this is actually a good practical idea for a lightweight personal server, rather than just a novelty? I haven't heard of anyone doing it before so I'm assuming there's a reason it isn't a good idea, but I don't know what that'd be.
I think the best question to ask first is ‘what kind of server?’
A web server could run a reasonably busy low-tech web2.0 blog site on a phone, I think without breaking a sweat.
Other types of serving (media, especially) would be resource limited) maybe not.
And there is an important difference between ’novelty’ and ‘demo’. Even a novelty server can demonstrate new ways to think about tech. Maybe an author could host their book launch on such a setup, serving only a single file and showing that we don’t exactly need to involve Amazon. That’s where my head goes when thinking about these efforts.
Im not sure I want to host more on the phone (yet?). Its a nice novelty but I have other self hosted platforms that are much more robust. This is more of a "can I do it" kind of project. Your seeing my free time right now.
Super cool project. I visited, and I hope you keep building the site stats views out. So many people are curious about self hosting and solar, if you just kept it as a demo that shows how the system holds up over longer term, well I know I would appreciate occasional reminders to check it out. It may inspire others to try similar things.
And I would have happily signed any digital wall you implemented.
Raspberry pi: No. Or, at least, not without doing something to make sure you have a real storage backend and aren't just running it off an SD card. The wear on SD cards is exaggerated and largely minimized if you use an OS that is configured to be aware of it but you are also increasingly relying on a ticking time bomb.
Mini PC/NUC? I am a huge fan of these and think they are what most people actually need for stuff like home assistant, adguard, etc. Just understand you are going to be storage limited sooner than you expect and you can oversubscribe that CPU and memory a lot faster than you would expect.
My general suggestion? Install proxmox on the mini PC and deploy on top of that. If/when you decide you want something more, migration is usually pretty easy.
And if you just want a NAS? It is really hard to go wrong with a 4 bay NAS from one of the reputable vendors (which may just be ugreen at this point?) as those tend to still come out cheaper than building it yourself and 4 disks means you can either play with fire with RAID5 or not be stupid and do RAID1.
And if you just want a NAS? It is really hard to go wrong with a 4 bay NAS from one of the reputable vendors (which may just be ugreen at this point?) as those tend to still come out cheaper than building it yourself and 4 disks means you can either play with fire with RAID5 or not be stupid and do RAID1.
Actually ASUS started to sell N100 motherboards with the CPU soldered on for $120
That plus a jonsbo N2 or N3, a few extra pieces, and its a few hundred dollars cheaper than the Ugreen options. Sure it will probably run Truenas instead of Ugreens custom truenas or whatever its built on, but that extra $300 is another 24TB hard drive or a HexOS lifetime subscription.
There's also always the classic buy an old mid sized tower for $100 and slap two massive hard drives in it
Whatever is cheapest. When youre first starting out basically any hardware will do, it just needs to boot Linux. As you progress and find more stuff to put on the servers, you'll discover what you're real hardware needs are.
When I first started, it was a hand me down single core AMD Sempron machine (socket 754!) that I later upgraded to an Athlon64 and 4gb of DDR. I managed to bodge that poor thing into running a Minecraft 1.5.2 server.
Personally I would stick with the i3 machine since I am assuming it's an office PC that can be had for cheaper than a Pi 5 (which is quite inflated in price IMO). x86 still retains better software support vs ARM and they are significantly easier to attach large cheap storage to via SATA. Power cost will be greater but I doubt an office i3 pulls more than 70w wall power at full load.
When youre first starting out basically any hardware will do, it just needs to boot Linux.
Unless you already use Linux, you don't need to start with Linux. Windows works perfectly and is significantly easier for most people as it's what they already know.
I would avoid a Raspi/ARM at all costs. But there is a third alternative: A x86 SBC like a Zima Board or blade might be exactly what you are looking for. Small, powerful enough and far easier than an ARM to maintain.
usually works well enough, but some aren't built great and can have stability issues. i usually have the thing running for a few months with light tasks to ensure it's stable before putting it into critical use.
external usb-sata enclosures cause a lot of issues, so i test those as well.
A 35W i7-7700T mini PC from 2017 will absolutely spank a modern N150 in single and multi–threaded applications, and uses very little extra power to do so.
100% this. And Lenovos and HPs designed for the business market generally are a pleasure to work on (in the hardware sense) if you need, with good manuals and secondhand spare parts.
Oh for sure. I've got a handful of SFFs and mini PCs making up my little "homelab":
(Yes, that's the furnace. No, it's not hot there. Ever. I've checked on it many, many times.)
I've also got another pair of Optiplex 9020s, an Optiplex 3040, and my old trusty HP Elite 8100 SFF w/8300 SFF mobo, i7-3770/32GB, and modded BIOS that supports booting from NVMe (via it.s M.2 PCIe card). Those are sitting in the closet just taking up space at the moment.
eBay supplied the 7050 and the mini PCs. My sister gave me the other Optiplexen from her work office.
I built a home server based on an Intel N100 motherboard a while ago. I've put proxmox on it and run my Home Assistant installation, Nextcloud, several other stuff and even my router as an OpenWRT VM!
I chose to go the N100 motherboard route mainly due to the flexibility it offers. But you can just buy a N100 based NUC and you get effectively the same performance and incredible low power consumption.
I would recommend against the Pi 5. It is way underpowered in my opinion. Plus with a x86 system you just have a lot more software compatibility.
Similarly here. Have an Odroid with that platform, it wasn't cheap but it came with several advantages:
4 SATA ports on addition to the M2 slot
Intel QSV
2 x 2.5 Gbit Ethernet (I only have gigabit at home though)
Very powerful machine for the power usage, I ran a really old Athlon before though (from 2010 or so that I retrofitted with 16GB RAM) that did most stuff just fine. But I wanted some transcoding and also possibly a smaller case.
I’ve have amazing luck with both Beelink and Minisforum computers. They’re relatively cheap and excellent quality.
I personally use the Beelink ME Mini and it’s been able to handle just fine about any server tasks I need it to, not to mention the wildly expandable storage.
Use whatever you have lying around when you start and then when you need new hardware for a certain purpose you can buy it going with the system requirements of that software.
[quote]I just don’t feel comfortable building a robot army here, and then being ousted because of some asinine recommendations from ISS and Glass Lewis, who have no f**king clue. I mean those guys are corporate terrorists. Lemme explain the core problem h
I just don’t feel comfortable building a robot army here, and then being ousted because of some asinine recommendations from ISS and Glass Lewis, who have no f**king clue. I mean those guys are corporate terrorists. Lemme explain the core problem here, so many of the passive funds vote along the lines of what ISS and Glass Lewis recommend. Now, they have made many terrible recommendations in the past that if those recommendations had been followed would have been extremely destructive to the future of the company. Now, If you’ve got passive funds that essentially defer responsibility for the vote to Glass Lewis and ISS, then you can have extremely disastrous consequences for a publicly traded company if too much of the publicly traded company is controlled by index funds. It’s de facto controlled by Glass Lewis and ISS. This is a fundamental problem for corporate governance, because they’re not voting along the lines that are actually good for shareholders. That’s the big issue, I mean, that’s what it comes down to. ISS Glass Lewis corporate terrorism. -Elon Musk, Tesla Q3 shareholder conference call, October 22, 2025
Marketing and fund raising. Doesn't matter how much you, well we, hate him he's still genuinely excellent at it. Sure it's absolutely destructive to... literally everything except his bank account, but it works. Very annoying.
But is he actually particularly stand out at that or is he just leveraging his pre-existing family wealth and connections to do so? In another universe a lot of these people are deadend used car salesman types that no one takes seriously.
Fortunately he isn't going to build a robot army. His cars can barely follow the road so I can't imagine his robots would present much in the way of of a threat, except quite possibly in the extent that they would stand on your foot although even then they'd probably fall over.
There has never been another individual who's ability and ego are so at odds
I learned some advisors at firms who usually follow Glass Lewis recommendations are taking unusual steps to request investor input specifically on Tesla. Apparently enough passive investors are dissatisfied enough to want a direct say on Tesla.
It was interesting to learn about shareholder voting. - Apparently, shareholders get a non-binding vote on executive pay due to say-on-pay legislation. - The SEC carries juicy documents on shareholder voting proposals & letters to shareholders by other shareholders urging them how to vote.
Voting proposals from shareholders & their letters reveal great dissatisfaction with Tesla.
Major shareholders (investment groups, pension managers, state treasurers & comptrollers) wrote a scathing letter urging other shareholders to vote against directors up for re-election & to vote against proposals the company favors.
We write urging you to oppose the reelection of Directors Ira Ehrenpreis, Joe Gebbia, and Kathleen Wilson-Thompson (Proposal 1), the Amended and Restated 2019 Equity Incentive Plan (Proposal 3), and the 2025 CEO Performance Award (Proposal 4) at Tesla’s Annual Meeting on November 6, 2025.
Since the last annual meeting, we have unfortunately witnessed both the erratic performance of Tesla, Inc. (the “Company” or “Tesla”) and the Board’s failure to provide meaningful real-time oversight of management. The Board’s relentless pursuit of retaining its CEO seems to have harmed the Company’s reputation, led to extraordinarily high levels of executive compensation, and delayed progress on meeting key goals like full self-driving (FSD). The Board, a majority of which is made up of directors with close ties to the CEO, now asks for Tesla shareholders to approve a series of proposals that grant it broad discretion to execute an estimated $1 trillion pay package, as well as grant awards through a new reserve created specifically for Elon Musk. These pay packages provide so much discretion to Tesla’s Board that shareholders cannot be confident of impartial treatment. In summary, there is an urgent need to address these issues to preserve long-term shareholder value for all Tesla shareholders, which we believe justifies voting against all directors up for election this year, as well as the Amended and Restated 2019 Equity Incentive Plan (the “A&R 2019 Equity Plan”) and the 2025 CEO Performance Award (the “2025 Performance Award”). We believe that approval of these items is not in the economic or financial interest of Tesla shareholders for the reasons set out below.
Their clarifications are interesting: they highlight issues with the conduct of the board & CEO - declining company performance (sudden decline in sales) & waning competitiveness with rivals like BYD & other manufacturers - board's lack of independence from CEO jeopardizes shareholder value - board members are CEO, friends of CEO, or have served long tenures - the CEO lacks focus on the stable, sustainable returns of the company & its shareholders while the board still awards him extraordinary pay packages & shares at discount - has leadership roles in several companies - leadership of US DOGE negatively impacted company’s performance & brand - the CEO fails to focus the company's own resources on the company (diverting them to other companies), and the board "seems uninterested in getting concrete commitments from Mr. Musk, and unwilling to develop a CEO succession plan of their own" - the board of directors is overpaid by earning 8 figure compensation when the "Average director compensation in the S&P 500 in 2024 was $327,096.13" - the board ignores mandates from previous shareholder votes, and acts to weaken accountability (supermajority voting rules, not all board seats up for reelection each year) & erode shareholders rights (adopted a Texas law to increase requirements for shareholders to sue the board for breach of fiduciary duty prohibitively far above federal standards) - their proposal for a $1 trillion award in shares to the CEO lacks stringent conditions - undemanding product goals - vague terms - conditions open to board discretion
Given the Board’s historical willingness to allow Tesla to commit substantial resources to projects that are personally beneficial to Mr. Musk but that fail to produce benefits for Tesla shareholders – most notably the Solar City acquisition – we lack the confidence that this Board will only recognize the accomplishment of these goals by the CEO in the fullest and most demanding way. - the award increases power of an unaccountable CEO at substantial expense to shareholders of earning & voting power. outside Tesla shareholders could experience a dramatic long-term dilution in both their voting power and the value of their equity relative to opportunity cost
If Tesla were to experience similar ups and downs over the next decade, outside shareholder value would increase at 10.8% per year, inferior to the price return for the S&P 500 from August 2015 to August 2025.
If Proposals 3 and 4 are approved, this year may be one of the last times that public shareholders have a meaningful voice in the Company and its leadership given the level of dilution that is likely to take place. Beyond that, the Company’s own disclosures make clear that the motivation to deliver these pay packages is driven by increasing Mr. Musk’s voting power, with no formal commitment to focus his time, attention, and Tesla’s own resources on Tesla. Further, we lack confidence that this non-independent Board can oversee the CEO toward a future that maintains stable and sustainable returns for Tesla shareholders.
This SEC 14A filing lists all the proposals up for shareholder vote. A good number of shareholder proposals the board opposes concern board accountability to shareholders - assert shareholder rights: either repealing restrictions or safeguarding them from restrictions enabled by Texas that would disqualify the vast majority of shareholders from submitting proposals or suing the board for breach of fiduciary duties - elect each director annually - require only simple majority approvals.
The others concern better public reporting & oversight on senior executive pay & transparent audits on child labor dependence throughout the supply chain.
To promote an independent board of directors accountable to shareholders & to restore shareholder rights, I suspect Glass Lewis and ISS will vote against all board members & company-favored proposals and vote for all shareholder-favored proposals. Seems about right to follow their recommendations & oppose Musk on this.
hes a negligent, absent father, he only cares about breeding to sire male children, because of his eugenics fetish. he doesnt care for them otherwise, remember the kid he was using as a human shield for a few months? where is he now.
Elmo Musk literally is not an engineer or even understands basic engineering. All the real world engineering done at his company is done by actual engineers
What is his part in all those processes at jos companies, you ask?
Lying.
Literally lying. Its the only talent that Mr. Elmo has. Its the one thing he constantly does, at levels comparable to Trump.
Most claims he makes about any of his companies products are just plain lies. Tesla full self driving? Not even close, and by now i wonder if they're actually capable of getting a Tesla off a parking lot without crashing it, let alone do a full cross country.
Same for SpaceX, where we definitely will go to Mars!never mind that reaching low earth orbit is about 1% of that task and he still can't do that without blowing up his starshits. Hey, at least they blew up a banana over the Indian ocean.
Wanna know what Elmo's contributions are?
Cyber truck.
Launching the car that was supposed to be for the founder of Tesla into low earth orbit just to he an asshole
The "idea" to use intercontinental ballistic rockets to transport people to the other side of the world "in 30 minutes". This one I really really really do want him to try because tickets are CEO only expensive and nothing would make me laugh more than a bunch of stealing assholes all paying a million or so to just blow up on the launchpad.
Talking about launchpads, remember that Florida launch with a starship with a boat load of engines that also ~~failed~~ was a complete success because "it left the launchpad" and anything beyond that was extras? Yeah, that launchpad was absolutely obliterated, cars parked various kilometers away got pelted by concrete debris, an ecological area got polluted, and the launchpad was left in rubble because Elmo decided that flame diverters, you know, those things used since like the sixties of the previous century really weren't necessary.
That is of course keeping in mind that he US tax payer paid 3 billion to take the US to the moon and well, that too is about at 1-2% mission completed, there is nothing remotely ready.
Do I even have to mention Hyperloop? "Its just another air hockey table, its not that hard!"
Meanwhile he keeps asking Tesla for a trillion dollars as well, even though he just got a gold package from Tesla that was light the highest payout in human history, even though Tesla makes a fraction of the cars that large brands make, ans even though he sent the extremely overvalued company (overvalued thanks to his constant lying about aaaalll the great things that are right there ready, just around the corner if you only pay me more money!!) right of a cliff with his Nazi antics combined with the laughable Nazirustbucket he designed..
This is the guy asking for just a trillion dollar bro, I will make this work, bro! TRUST ME!
a well known fact is upper managment shields the employees and the company from Elons meddling in thier internal workings affairs. at least for spacex.
This is so stupid. If he has an issue with shareholder control, he has the money to buy the fucking shares. Sure, he has to pay the inflated bullshit price, but he can do that. Buy it and make it private, Musk. Then you can do whatever the hell you want with it, but it'll be your money on the line. If you actually believe in the product than it should be fine, right?
Actually he doesn't. Most of his 'wealth' is Tesla shares already. Even if he could toss everything he has just toward controlling more of Tesla, and if the shareholders accepted it at current market value, he'd only have a third of the company.
Tesla is crazy over valued for a company that has only been able to be a car company that is in 14th place, yet assessed as being more valuable than all the 13 more successful car companies combined...
Did you do the math including the shares he already owns? Anyway, he can take out loans with the shares as collateral to buy more shares. I'm pretty sure he could get back 50% control if he leverages his assets. If he actually believes what's he's saying, this is a reasonable move.
Yes. Musk's net worth including his stock is a bit shy of 500 billion, and Tesla market cap is about 1500 billion. His net worth includes all his assets that he could possibly leverage.
Sociopathic Oligarchs have a serious form of OCD/ Hoarding Disorder, that makes them crave even more money, no matter how much they have.
If they were hoarding cats, or rusty cars, or old refrigerators, or piles of scrap metal, etc., the authorities would intervene, and get them help for their mental illness.
But if they are hoarding money on a historically mind-blowing scale, they call them a successful businessman, and give them government grants and tax breaks.
If they were hoarding cats, or rusty cars, or old refrigerators, or piles of scrap metal, etc., the authorities would intervene, and get them help for their mental illness.
This is a common misconception.
“The authorities” (USA viewpoint) are really extremely unlikely to intervene in any way at all with hoarding, and even more extremely unlikely to provide any kind of useful mental health intervention.
If the hoarding is causing a public safety hazard then the authorities may eventually start fining the hoarder until they do whatever is minimally required to clear the hazard.
Much much more likely, if the hoarder is renting, the landlord may evict them which is one of the many paths to homelessness.
But by far the most common outcome is that the authorities do nothing whatsoever to stop or help with harmful hoarding behavior.
In this way, crazy aunt Florence and Elon Musk are similar.
Perhaps, but it doesn't change the fact that these people have a very serious mental illness so massive that it literally affects the rest of the world. They must be dealt with properly, not encouraged to lean into their destructive mental illness by funding their follies with taxpayer money.
Was there ever a hope that the customers buying the robots would control them?
MechaHitler controlled robot in my home or business is not a good marketing plan. Chinese companies are well ahead in robotics, and they have manufacturing customers, battery and motor research/leadership, lower bill of materials, plenty of AI skill. No reason to believe Tesla will be first or better.
What makes export controls so powerful for China is its industrial heft. Its manufacturing output—35% of the global total—is threefold America’s and exceeds that of the next eight countries combined.
Worse, a lot of US manufacturing is dependent on products of China's manufacturing output. Destin from SmarterEveryDay tried to make a BBQ brush in America with no foreign components. He couldn't find chainmail made locally. He bought some supposedly Indian one which turned out to actually be made in China. It's crazy.
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Absolute fucking MORONS have taken over the world, and are wrecking it.
IF we ever get our country back, we have to go forward with a national strategy that we no longer have to be polite to treasonous MAGA scumbags. Everytime they open their mouths they should be shouted down with screams to shut the fuck up.
We should never have to tolerate the opinions of stupid, violent traitors.
MBAs are mortal enemies of software engineers. Couple that with what one former CEO of mine said: "engineers have very well tuned bullshit detectors" and you arrive at the problem...
This happens with any disruptive tech. In the 80s, Old white CEOs were computerizing everything without understanding computers. 2025 every grey CEO throws around A1 without having the first clue how it works.
And that's when we have to scream the loudest, and absolutely refuse to give their gaslighting any credibility at all. If you were a Republican during this era, then you are a MAGA Traitor, racist, rapist, incompetent, intolerant, violent, stupid, pedophile.
More likely their hamfisted return to work layoff scheme has caused them to bleed experienced staff. The only people left are less experienced and give less of a shit. It took them over an hour to realize the database of their DNS system was the issue.
Most of my work in DevOps isn't in front of my text editor writing scripts. It's spent hopping between dashboards, drafting emails, doing RCA, teaching dev team members how to use pipelines, and getting requirements from them for designing new pipelines. Then inevitably debating with them about design considerations when they ask for a set of procedures that won't pan out.
Until your AI is a fully fledged team member who everyone can feel comfortable engaging with as if they were a real human, you cannot possibly begin to automate this.
Most of my work in DevOps isn’t in front of my text editor writing scripts.
Mine either - we use azure devops, octopus, etc - tools that automate devops. Most of devops is automated across the board - no big companies are manually kicking off builds for every PR and pushing the files around the place and then manually deploying them - it's all automated using devops tools. Having AI build and manage these pipelines seems like a logical place to use it, as they are all just about creating steps using pieces from previous steps and other systems.
You absolutely could have AI create a pipeline to build, test, and deploy a solution, and then test the actual deployed solution. The AI is essentially just the coordinator here, tying together the other devops tools.
Why do you think AI can't easily be the supervisor for pipelines and create new ones? It's basically just creating steps that are well known from building a branch to deploying it.
Tried to figure out yesterday why a user couldn't ssh into a server, tried LLMs to figure it out, completely useless. Had to go into some log file somewhere to find out the one who set up the server made a specific group for ssh and if a user wasn't in that group they couldn't connect. The LLMs (ChatGPT and Gemini) gave me bullshit about changing flags in the sshd config...
Cool story. LLMs can't see error messages in logs if you don't give them access to it. Had you given the AI agent access to those files? Or were you just using a standalone LLM with no access to the system?
While the job does deal heavily in automating things, it only automates Boolean things. Looking at a platform and seeing why and where it's failing is not a Boolean thing, and never will be. It's the same reason we still don't have machines that repair cars over 100 years after their introduction.
Okay bud, go and tell AWS, Google, Salesforce, and any other of these companies who think "AI" is an answer to everything, because they've all had very public outages due to this exact same thing in the past few months.
You have no idea what DevOps is or how it works if you think any of this is easily done or solved with these junk tools.
Been running Ops teams for decades, kid. Look at alllll the people agreeing with me, and disagreeing with you. You have the unearned wisdom of a struggling Junior Dev. If you had any experience, you'd know how embarrassing it would be to attempt to brag about working for "multi-billion dollar companies" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes, those big, big companies are where ALL the good engineering jobs are at. Where all the interesting work is being done 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If you think that DevOps isn’t one of the most automated parts of software then you’re doing DevOps very wrong. Do you do manual builds and deployments every single time? No CI/CD?
You are not reading or understanding comments, child. That's not what I said whatsoever.
You're of the opinion that DevOps engineers can be automated away. I proved you wrong. Now you're talking about the tooling, which is in my first comment to you. Automated tooling is NOT all DevOps is, and the fact you think shows me you're unseasoned in whatever it is you do, have no concept of the role.
It would be people like you who would not pass the first round of interviews from answering a question about this topic exactly as you've stated, because you don't understand the core function of the team, and you're role in it.
You make some code, and obviously have no idea how to run it, let alone at scale. All the working pieces of a platform at large need to be understood and vetted by a DevOps team in order to make it run, and run well. That's understanding everything from start to finish, in ways you wouldn't be able to comprehend being one part of team that is building one part of a platform. You can't make an agent that understands all the underpinnings of all the services or metrics, and why they fail, that then takes action on them, because it's not something AI does. Case in point, the AWS outage and others I mentioned.
Now, you could make MANY agents that take actions on many things, but that doesn't give situational awareness or comprehension to any singular agent, something AI also doesn't do. That's what DevOps teams do.
I don't even need to keep arguing with you about this, because the down votes on your comments speak for themselves. I'm just trying to educate on your false understanding about how it all works so you don't stumble through your career making the same comments and mistakes.
Look into this source for like 2 seconds, it is a marketing research company, not journalists, with extremely suspicious and likely generated team. 80.lv/contact-us#audiencemy.linkedin.com/in/arti-sergee… the "Head" of 80 level doesn't even seem like a real person, definitely not a real picture.
Literally everything about that site is generated. It is possible it is the real picture of a Russian guy who went to online school that lives in Malaysia but considering that all the articles, all the stock photos look generated, I'm going to assume the faces are too.
I know there's doubt as to the validity of the claims. I only want to say this: when "AI" takes jobs, who is there to plug things in to make the "AI" machine go?
Sounds like Amazon fucked around and found out.... Allegedly.
The thing is that Amazon needs to get broken up way more than Ma Bell did. Most people have never heard of AWS before, but it's crazy to have one company own so much of the internet, even before you get into their stranglehold on internet commerce (which also should be broken up).
Amazon has laid off or scared off the vast majority of their most experienced people. Those that weren’t laid off quit over stupidity like “RTO”. I don’t doubt that their underpaid junior staff and Kool-Aid drinking upper management decided that AI is a great way to replace all the lost knowledge and expertise. As with the downfall of civilization, this will get much worse before it gets better. It will be interesting to see how huge companies react to another companies enshittification actively damaging their business and reputation.
If a tiny 2 foot long cookie cutter shark can take chunks out of people, then any shark bigger than that with sharp teeth is equally if not more dangerous.
You just said the reason why I don't go in the sharks' homes. They live there. Sharks are gonna shark. Don't wanna get eaten by a shark? Don't go in the water!
The article is saying that these sharks aren't really sharking though. The sharks behavior has been changed by environmental factors (regular human feeding and humans raising the local sea temperature by dumping warm water from the desalination plant).
Sharks are attracted by usually warm water from desalination plant.
Tourist guide boats start chumming the waters to keep the sharks around for tourists.
The attraction of so many mostly harmless sharks changes their feeding dynamic. Ever tried eating an ice cream cone near a small child? Ever tried pushing an ice cream cart through a crowd of small kids? Way different dynamic as supply and demand changes as the crowd grows.
Formerly mostly harmless and "shy around humans" sharks start directly approaching humans as a source of food.
Sharks investigate human, beg for food. How do sharks investigate? By biting, nibbles really, or bumping into people swimming.
The first bite generates a predictably violent reaction from the humans, which triggers a feeding frenzy response. Humans aren't equipped to defend or escape this.
The point is that at every step of the way, these sharks are acting in a very strange way (for them) as a direct result of human action. We've seen this kind of thing before when people feed wild animals, strange and dangerous human seeking behaviors develop: alligators, bears, moose, etc. Dangerous animals? Yes, but the behaviors that result in human deaths are in no way natural.
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The machine is about to devour him. He made enemies within and his wife left him to be in Elon's harem. I don't think think he'll even make it to the night of the long knives 2. Maybe 2 more Scaramouchis before he's out.
Battery backups and diesel generators at the interchange, both of which are only temporary. Batteries need to be charged and diesel needs to be pumped, and while you can (and most infrastructure resiliency relies on it) operate these systems on manual power, the stability of large infrastructure systems becomes quite vulnerable once it's necessary to run a diesel generator to pump diesel for your other diesel generators.
Because the phone company (miles away from you and your local power outage) still has power, or has battery backups and automatic generators. The phone runs off of 48v that is sent directly via the phone line. That’s why you don’t need to plug your landline into a power outlet. It was also historically a fairly important safety feature, as people tend to need emergency services after their power goes out. For instance, maybe a bad storm blew through.
This actually turned out to be a problem when telecoms started transitioning towards digital phone lines. These days, they usually send everything via coax or fiber. Then a modem will take that incoming line and decode it into phone, internet, and TV signals. The modem also provides that 48v power on the phone lines. But that presents an issue, where a power outage will kill the customer’s modem, and therefore kill the customer’s landline phones. And we’ve already established that landline phones are an important safety fallback during emergencies. So now, you can actually get battery backups directly from the telecom, to be able to keep your modem powered (and thus use your landline phones) even during power outages.
If someone told me, just before the invasion, that in 2025 Ukraine would be dunking on Russian energy infrastructure with near impunity, I would have said they were batshit crazy. Slava Ukraini.
At this point they've spent their entire Soviet inheritance. They foolishly demonstrated to everyone how poorly maintained everything was, from hardware to training.
Presumably it has a more direct affect on civilians, who are otherwise able to skip most of the consequences of the war. Russians going without heat over the winter will give a little taste of what they’ve inflicted on Ukraine and hopefully put some pressure on Putin. But it also affects manufacturing, both of war materials and civilian needs.
And let's not forget the commercials they were trying to ship to EU in the first year of war. The ones with Christmas without heating and food due to sanctions on Russia make EU collapse n
jellyfin had a similar issue too for a long time for servers exposed to the internet. google would always reblock the domains soon after unblocking them. I think they solved it in the latest update. Basically it's that google's scraping bots think that all jellyfin servers are a scam that imitate a "real" website.
Google Safe Browsing looks to be have been built without consideration for open-source or self-hosted software.
IMO Google Save Browsing was built with consideration for open-source and self-hosted software, but it has nothing to do with user safety, just like blocking Android apps from 3rd party sites has nothing to do with user safety. The harder they make it to move away from their products by making using alternatives difficult, the more money they make and money is now the only objective. Even if this only adds a fraction of a fraction of a percent to their profit it's something Google will implement.
The old social contract of businesses being of benefit to the community as a whole in addition to making a profit is long gone.
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Google Safe Browsing looks to be have been built without consideration for open-source or self-hosted software. Many popular projects have run into similar issues, such as:
I'm sure it's all accidental and coincidental that open source project that rival Google just weirdly got flagged as being dangerous. Google also doesn't know how this happened, it just did! Magic!
Same when you try to deviate from the approved path of email providers or, dog forbid, even self-host email.
This is why I always switch off that "block potentially dangerous sites" setting in my browser - it means Google's blacklists. This is how Google influences the web beyond its own products.
edit: it's much more complex than simple blocklists with email
Nope, sometimes it asks for normal videos as well, it really depends on the case since there’s a lot of background stuff happening, making the experience vary between users.
Happens most frequently with using any VPN, which we use all the time at work and I often use at home or while traveling.
But sometimes it just does it without.
I think most people are signed into their gmail account or have been recently so the cookie is set. It's crazy when you don't have one how hard Google pushes you.
Like I understand that if I buy a phone from Apple, and they control everything on the phone and what I can install - well I mean I bought it from Apple, what else did I expect?
But I didn't buy my phone from Google. They should have no say in what I could or couldn't install.
Why are the immich teams internal deployments available to anyone on the open web? If you go to one of their links, like they provide in the article, they have an invalid SSL certificate, which google rightly flags as being a security risk, warns you about it, and stops you from going there without manual intervention. This is standard behaviour and no-one should want google to stop doing this.
I was going to install linux on an old NUC to run immich some time soon, but think I might have to have a look to see if it has been audited by some legit security companies first. How do they not see this issue of their own doing?
How would that work? The use case is for previews for pull requests. Somebody submits a change to the website. This creates a preview domain that reviewers and authors can see their proposed changes in a clean environment.
CloudFlare pages gives this behavior out of the box.
Now imagine you're running a successful open source project developed in the open, where it's expected that people outside your core team review and comment on changes.
I thought that was how pull requests worked, its a branch if you'veade a departure to edit code, you have the pull request and ask them to merge into the main branch. It should be visible to everyone so everyone can review the change.
The branch for the PR shouldn't be hosted on the production site's domain, and that deployment that the company will be testing and reviewing shouldn't be accessible to the public. They even have internal in the URL, while being accessible by external people lol
It is for pull requests. A user makes a change to the documentation, they want to be able to see the changes on a web page.
So? What that has to do with SSL certificates? Do you think GitHub loses SSL when viewing PRs?
If you don't have them on the open web, developers and pull request authors can't see the previews.
You can have them in the open, but without SSL you can't be sure what you're accessing, i.e. it's trivial to make a malicious site to take it's place an MitM whoever tries to access the real one.
The issue they had was being marked as phishing, not the SSL certificate warning page.
Yes, a website without SSL is very likely a phishing attack, it means someone might be impersonating the real website and so it shouldn't be trusted. Even if by a fluke of chance you hit the right site, all of your communication with it is unencrypted, so anyone in the path can see it clearly.
Yes, a website without SSL is very likely a phishing attack, it means someone might be impersonating the real website and so it shouldn't be trusted. Even if by a fluke of chance you hit the right site, all of your communication with it is unencrypted, so anyone in the path can see it clearly.
No, Google has hit me with this multiple times for sub domains where the subdomain is the name of the product and has a login page.
So, for example, if I have emby running at emby.domain.com they'll mark it as a phishing site. You have to add your domain to their web console and dispute the finding which is probably automated. I've had to do this at least three times now.
Yes, Google has miss reported my websites in the past, all of which were valid, but the person I'm replying to seemed to assume no-SSL is a requirement of the feature, and he doesn't understand that a wrong/missing SSL is indistinguishable from a Phishing attack, and that the SSL error page is the one that warns you about phishing (with reason).
Easier said than done, if your end users run Chrome. Because Chrome will automatically block your site if you’re on double secret probation.
The phishing flag usually happens because you have the Username, Password, Log In, and SSO button all on the same screen. Google wants you to have the Username field, the Log In button, and any SSO stuff on one page. Then if you input a username and go to start a password login, Google expects the SSO to disappear and be replaced by the vanilla Log In button. If you simply have all of the fields and buttons on one page, Google flags it as a phishing attempt. Like I guess they expect you to try and steal users’ Google passwords if you have a password field on the same page as a “Sign in with Google” button.
Firefox ingests Google SafeBrowsing lists. If you are falsely flagged as phishing (like I was), then you are fucked regardless of what you use (except you use curl).
I couldnt even bypass the safebrowse warning on my Android phone in Firefox.
I think that marking things as "safe" could have more complications than this depending on their definition but I think you're right that's probably all this issue is. This is almost the only sane comment here. Everyone else seems to be frothing at the mouth and I'm guessing its a decent mix of not understanding much of how these systems work (and blindly running tutorials for those that do self host) and blind ideology (big companies are bad / any practice that restricts my personal freedom in any way is bad)
I don't blame people for thinking that something is off after reading the linked blog post. This wouldn't be the first time Google does something like this to OSS that poses some kind of potential threat to their business model (this is also mentioned in the post).
any practice that restricts my personal freedom in any way is bad
Yes? I don't want to live in a world where giant companies decide what I can and cannot see. And big companies are bad, they act as pseudo governments that aren't accountable to anyone, we used to break them apart before they started buying up politicians and political power.
I'm not sure how what you said either: justifies the comments not fitting that label; justifies that "any practice that restricts my personal freedom in any way is bad" is a practical ideology; or even establishes much a link between what you've quoted and what you've said. And I think you need to be doing one of those to be making a counter argument
Yeah, sure, 5 years after google flagged one of the sites i hosted, some firewalls (including isp-level blocks) mark the domain as unsafe. Google removed the block after more than a week but the stink continues until today.
It was also a development domain and we were forced to change it.
Was also flagged recently. In my case it was the root domain which is 1. Geofiltered to only my own Country in Cloudflare 2. Geofiltered to only my country in my firewall 3. Protected by Authelia (except the root domain which says 404 when accessing)
So....IDK what they want from me 😛 My domain doesnt serve public websites (like a blog) destined for public consumption...
Al concerto tenutosi per il lancio di "Eska", lo scorso 16 maggio 2015 al Rich Mix di Londra, tra il pubblico sono state avvistate delle estasiate Laura Mvula, Alice Russell e Lianne La Havas. Accompagnata da una band stringata ai limiti del garage-rock, Eska ha tirato giù il tetto della sala, dando prova della sua portentosa voce, ma... Leggi e ascolta...
Al concerto tenutosi per il lancio di “Eska”, lo scorso 16 maggio 2015 al Rich Mix di Londra, tra il pubblico sono state avvistate delle estasiate Laura Mvula, Alice Russell e Lianne La Havas. Accompagnata da una band stringata ai limiti del garage-rock, Eska ha tirato giù il tetto della sala, dando prova della sua portentosa voce, ma soprattutto dell'incredibile verve di emotiva quanto spiritosa interprete e polistrumentista, una leonessa da palcoscenico capace di stravolgere le proprie canzoni saltando dal folk al rock al blues al soul al gospel con una facilità da mettere in soggezione... artesuono.blogspot.com/2015/09…
Un viaggio nel profondo dell’essere, tra introspezione, arte e psiche. Con “Autopsia dell’io”, Giuseppe De Grado firma un libro che è confessione, ricerca e poesia.
AUTOPSIA DELL’IO
GIUSEPPE DE GRADO
AUTOBIOGRAFIA/SAGGIO
Kimerik EDITORE
27 FEBBRAIO 2025
128 PP
15 x 21 x 1 cm
Un viaggio introspettivo che tocca tematiche sia puramente intimistiche che antropologiche e sociali. Un unico lungo racconto con tappe ben definite, caratterizzate da continui salti temporali, che l’autore propone per far meglio immergere il lettore nel proprio mondo presente e passato. La linea di confine tra mondi visibili (la realtà delle cose) e invisibili (i pensieri e le forze implicite che li scaturiscono) è molto sottile, ma ciononostante si riesce sempre a restare perfettamente in bilico tra i due. Si potrebbe facilmente pensare a un labirinto della mente esposto narrativamente ma, seppur la sensazione primaria possa essere tale, una bussola concettuale è sempre presente per evitare il disorientamento. A far da padrone è l’autore che al contempo è protagonista di un’idilliaca storia d’amore con lo sfondo del tempo che passa e che corrode cose e persone, senza però intaccarne i significati; un romanticismo palpabile e accattivante, che quasi tende a contaminare chi ne legge, data la sua avida veemenza. In conclusione, volendo sintetizzare in poche parole l’essenza di questo libro, resta da dire che il percorso di esso è lungo, tortuoso ma morbido, con zampilli di marcata malinconia verso un’epoca vicina ma comunque lontana anni luce, in cui sembrava che i valori fossero mastodontici e i sensi molto più svegli a favore della vita e di un cuore sempre messo in prima linea; insomma, un viaggio a ritroso nel tempo che tende a sbiadirsi, con una velocità sempre maggiore, tra l’autobiografia e l’autoanalisi.
In Autopsia dell’io (128 pagine), Giuseppe De Grado si mette a nudo in un percorso di introspezione che mescola prosa, poesia e immagini. Non un semplice diario, ma una mappa emotiva in cui dolore e speranza convivono, dando voce a quella parte di sé che spesso restiamo a ignorare.
De Grado racconta con delicatezza e precisione i tormenti e le gioie di un uomo che non ha paura di guardarsi dentro. Ogni pagina diventa uno specchio in cui il lettore riconosce la propria umanità imperfetta, tra perdita, desiderio di appartenenza e bisogno di autenticità.
“Scrivere significa scendere nei miei abissi: ogni volta non ne salgo intatto, ma trovo la via di casa passando vicino al cuore.”
L’io come bussola della coscienza
Uno degli aspetti più interessanti del libro è la riflessione sull’io — il centro della coscienza, quell’equilibrio fragile che media tra pulsioni, regole e realtà esterna. De Grado intreccia la sua narrazione personale con richiami a Freud, Jung, Erikson e Rogers, esplorando l’identità come processo in continua costruzione.
L’autore ricorda che l’io non è una struttura immutabile ma un flusso, un processo cerebrale e psicologico fatto di memoria, emozione e percezione. La parte dedicata alle neuroscienze amplia la visione: l’io non è solo psiche, ma anche materia viva, movimento, esperienza.
“Comprendere il mio io è stato come scoprire una presenza silenziosa: non qualcosa da giudicare, ma da ascoltare. È lì che si nasconde la mia verità.”
Questa dimensione teorica non appesantisce il testo, anzi, lo arricchisce di profondità. Autopsia dell’io diventa così un ponte tra letteratura e psicologia, tra conoscenza e emozione.
Fragilità e immagine
La fragilità è il filo conduttore dell’intero volume. De Grado la descrive in versi e in prosa, con una lingua limpida e musicale. Le illustrazioni di Roberta Lanzi, realizzate con penna, matita e acquarello, accompagnano e amplificano il testo, raffigurando l’autore come figura sospesa tra realtà e sogno, in atmosfere che ricordano Monet, Van Gogh e Degas. L’arte, qui, diventa introspezione visiva: ogni tratto rivela qualcosa che le parole non dicono.
L’autore si confida: la risposta completa
Nell’intervista che chiude il libro, De Grado racconta la genesi del suo lavoro con una sincerità rara:
«In questo libro ho dato tutto me stesso — i miei sentimenti e i miei pensieri — e l’ho fatto anche grazie alla forza dell’amore per mia moglie. Scrivere significa scendere nei miei abissi: ogni volta non ne salgo intatto, ma trovo la via di casa passando vicino al cuore.»
Quando gli si chiede cosa significhi spogliarsi così tanto davanti al lettore, l’autore risponde:
«È stato un momento, e come tutti i momenti si va incontro a una trasformazione: come dal bruco nasce una farfalla. Mi sono spogliato delle mie paure e ho accettato di mostrarmi. È stata una liberazione.»
E aggiunge ancora, con intensità:
«Scrivere Autopsia dell’io è stato come tornare a casa dopo anni di smarrimento. Ho scavato nella mia memoria e nei miei silenzi per ritrovare la voce che avevo perso. Non ho paura di chiamare questo percorso con il suo nome: guarigione.»
Le sue parole, autentiche e vibranti, restituiscono il cuore pulsante del libro: la scrittura come atto terapeutico, come possibilità di rinascita.
Il tempo e la presenza
Il tempo attraversa il libro come tema ricorrente: tempo che passa, tempo perduto, tempo da ritrovare. De Grado invita a rallentare, a riscoprire la presenza, a smettere di vivere per abitudine. È un messaggio che risuona forte in un’epoca dominata dalla distrazione e dalla corsa continua: solo fermandosi si può davvero ascoltare.
“L’attitudine all’abitudine, alla paura del cambiamento, fa sì che l’animo non si evolva.”
Estratto significativo
«Non volevo richiudere questa crepa, non volevo farmi sopraffare dalla paura… L’attitudine all’abitudine, alla paura del cambiamento, fa sì che l’animo non si evolva.»
Questo passo riassume la filosofia dell’autore: accettare la crepa come parte della crescita, trasformare il dolore in consapevolezza.
Conclusione: un viaggio da condividere
Autopsia dell’io non è soltanto un libro: è un’esperienza di autenticità e coraggio. Un invito a riscoprire se stessi, a riconciliarsi con la propria vulnerabilità e a comprendere che la fragilità è parte della bellezza umana. Giuseppe De Grado ci regala una testimonianza toccante, fatta di parole e immagini che sanno parlare al cuore e alla mente.
Per chi: ama la narrativa autobiografica, la psicologia del sé, l’introspezione poetica e i libri che fanno riflettere.
Il regno di Enrico VIII Tudor (1509-1547) è generalmente ricordato per le sue sei sfortunate consorti e per il suo leggendario appetito. Tristemente noto per aver mandato a morte due delle sue regine, è però fin troppo facile immaginare Enrico come il pingue mostro della sua vecchiaia.
L'intelligenza artificiale di Google ha privato la Lanterna del primato assoluto, definendola «uno dei» simboli e non più «il» simbolo del capoluogo ligure, anche perché probabilmente lo è sempre meno nella testa dei genovesi.
L'intelligenza artificiale di Google ha privato la Lanterna del primato assoluto, definendola «uno dei» simboli e non più «il» simbolo del capoluogo ligure, anche perché probabilmente lo è sempre meno nella testa dei genovesi.
Nel logo della prossima adunata nazionale degli Alpini che si terrà a Genova dall’8 al 10 maggio 2026, la Lanterna appare stilizzata proprio accanto alla inevitabile penna nera, ma alla sua base è raffigurata pure la Biosfera del Porto Antico, disegnata dalla matita di Renzo Piano
There have been no donations for days… and winter is almost here. We’re still sleeping under the open sky with nothing to keep us warm. They announced a ceasefire, but the bombing hasn’t stopped, and our suffering continues.
All I want is to protect my family — to buy a tent, warm clothes, and some food. Every night, I watch my family shiver from the cold, and it breaks my heart.
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More than 100 police officers are under investigation after 30,000 alcohol breath tests were "falsely or erroneously recorded", RNZ can reveal.
"From the audit which covered over 4.6 million breath tests performed between 1 July 2024 and 17 August 2025, the initial analysis suggested there were tests conducted that were simulated without the involvement of a driver.
The audit indicated that some staff had recorded breath screening tests that hadn't occurred.
Johnson said that despite this, Police's obligation to deliver 3.3 million tests for NZTA and Ministry of Transport had been met and was not compromised.
Le aspirazioni e desideri di un popolo possono costituire un’energia del cambiamento, soprattutto ai fini di dar forma a cognizioni spirituali oltre le mere aspettative del quotidiano.
parte delle azioni mostrate nei video promozionali, come aprire il frigorifero o riporre stoviglie, avvengono grazie a un teleoperatore che “pilota” Neo tramite visore VR e controller
Il robot di 1X è autonomo, ma per le faccende di casa ha bisogno di un operatore che lo controlli da remoto. Fa parte del contratto e serve ad addestrare Neo, però significa che una persona guarderà dentro casa tua
A_norny_mousse
in reply to chobeat • • •Mostly because of a lack of eyeballs.
But it doesn't end with merely badly written/generated content but also with narrative manipulation that - unlike in the English version - remains unchallenged.
vacuumflower
in reply to A_norny_mousse • • •Sorry, but English-speaking countries have basically invented "narrative manipulation". For most of history it was normal that there are many competing narratives from interested parties on anything. But such sophistication at making one side's narrative seem impartial, perpetually contested and self-healing has never been achieved before.
It's as if you paint a lake red, it's expensive, and people may get used to it and even believe that's kinda normal, but one can still see that it's just one lake. If you paint the world oceans red, so that it rains red and mists red, that's far more persuasive, and that's what the "collective West" has achieved.
To make a lake painted red seem normal, you need to prevent most of your population from looking at other lakes. But when you've managed to paint the ocean red, you don't need to limit them at all. The fence and the punishment would hurt trust, but without them your and other people looking at the red oceans and rains will think they are also free.
Despite being just one alliance of former and current colonizing powers on this planet.
It's very sad to live in an era of frustration where we can see that it can't reform itself further in humanist direction, than it already has by about year 1988.
Sort of like a planetwide revolutionary situation by Lenin, where the dominating powers can't keep the order the old way (that persuasion still slowly dies), and the dominated can't live the old way. But, as we know, revolutionary situations by Lenin generally don't lead to what one would hope for.
EDIT: Oh, I forgot. The point is that it's actually nice sometimes to have alternative pages in smaller languages on niche subjects, explained better to my own taste. And in the bigger languages articles are sometimes removed for no good reason, say, Hotline\KDX have been butchered simply for being not popular anymore.
A_norny_mousse
in reply to vacuumflower • • •You have no idea how wrong you are. I could claim it was the roman catholic church and there'd probably still be older examples. More likely, no entity "basically invented" it.
Nothing against you personally, but this is not the edgy take you think it is.
No, the point is that there are countries where people speak these languages and they want to read things in their own language. Sheesh.
vacuumflower
in reply to A_norny_mousse • • •A_norny_mousse
in reply to vacuumflower • • •That is not what "basically invented" means.
vacuumflower
in reply to A_norny_mousse • • •Truscape
in reply to A_norny_mousse • • •squaresinger
in reply to Truscape • • •Hmm, the law begins with "Given enough eyeballs". So it's explicitly not about small-language Wikipedia sites having too few editors.
It also doesn't talk about finding consensus. "All bugs are shallow" means that someone can see the solution. In software development, that's most often quite easy, especially when it comes to bugfixes. It's rarely difficult to verify whether the solution to a bug works or not. So in most cases if someone finds a solution and it works, that's good enough for everyone.
In cultural fields, that's decidedly not the case.
For most of society's problems, there are hardly any new solutions. We have had the same basic problems for centuries and pretty much "all" the solutions have been proposed decades or centuries ago.
How to make government fair? How to get rid of crime? How to make a good society?
These things have literally been issues since the first humans learned to speak.
That's why Linus' law doesn't really apply here. We all want different things and there's no fix that satisfies all requirements or preferences.
vacuumflower
in reply to squaresinger • • •That's because people generally don't know or understand these solutions. One can't raise above separate human's ability to understand any system. And I mean any. Doesn't mean a housewife has to know electrical engineering, but enough people in any group reliant upon any system should have passive knowledge and understanding.
So, thanks to AI translators and such, I can now link kvant.digital/ here.
The very first problem in the very first issue of that journal is very enlightening.
Архив
Архив журнала «Квант»Bloefz
in reply to chobeat • • •Does it really matter? I think the extreme amount of languages in the world right now is not helping us communicate. I don't view language as a cultural heritage thing, just a communication protocol. And I have moved around a lot in the world, it's very difficult to be constantly adapting to different languages. That causes a societal integration barrier for me.
I think if we had a universal language (note that it wouldn't have to be English) we would be able to understand each other better and have less wars.
PS: I'm not advocating to ban languages or something, just to have a universal one. A bit like what Esperanto tried to achieve. Mutual language means more mutual understanding and thus less "us vs them" underbelly feelings that the fascists thrive on.
RightEdofer
in reply to Bloefz • • •Bloefz
in reply to RightEdofer • • •Yeah I'm just not really wed to any language. I guess it is also because I have moved around so much. I'm from Holland but I don't consider myself a Dutch person, more like a citizen of the world. I've become too different to fit in in my home country (also because it's become an extreme-right cesspool lately 😢 ). I've spent about half my life elsewhere. And the places I've lived where I spoke the languages I fared noticeably better.
Don't forget that a lot of today's problems center around not understanding each other. The hatred of immigrants for example.
But I know a lot of people do view language as a cultural thing, it's just my point of view.
TankovayaDiviziya
in reply to Bloefz • • •zarkanian
in reply to Bloefz • • •chloroken
in reply to chobeat • • •It's profoundly chauvinistic to think that people who speak other languages don't have the same depth of literary resource as English-speakers because Wikipedia has fewer users.
Books. They're called books. Every nation speaking every language has them.
HereIAm
in reply to chloroken • • •I understand you're trying to be nice to minority languages, but if you write research papers you either limit your demographic to your own country, or you publish in English (I guess Spanish is pretty world wide as well). If you set out to read a new paper in your field, I doubt you'd pick up something in Mongolian.
Even in Sweden I would write a serious paper in English, so that more of the world could read it. Yes, we have text books for our courses that are in Swedish, but i doubt there are many books covering LLMs being published currently for example.
chloroken
in reply to HereIAm • • •I'm not "trying to be nice to minority languages", I'm directly pushing back against the chauvinistic idea that the English Wikipedia is so important that those without it are somehow inferior. There is no "doom spiral".
As for scientific papers, it's called a translation. One can write academic literature in one's native langaue and have it translated for more reach. That isnt the case with Wikipedia which is constantly being edited.
Alaknár
in reply to chloroken • • •I think you missed the problem described here.
The "doom spiral" is not because of English Wiki, it has nothing to do with anything.
The problem described is that people who don't know a "niche" language try to contribute to a niche Wiki by using machine translation/LLMs.
As per the article:
Now, another problem is Model Collapse (or, well, a similar phenomenon in strictly in terms of language itself).
We now have a bunch of "niche" languages' Wikis containing such errors... that are being used to train machine translators and LLMs to handle these languages. This is contaminating their input data with errors and hallucinations, but since this is the training data, these LLMs consider everything in there as the truth, propagating the errors/hallucinations forward.
I honestly have no clue where you're getting anything chauvinistic here. The problem is imperfect technology being misused by irresponsible people.
concept in machine learning
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)AA5B
in reply to Alaknár • • •Is it even getting misused? Spreading knowledge via machine translation where there are no human translators available, had to be better than not translating. As long as there is transparency so people can judge the results …..
And ai training trusting everything it reads is a larger systemic issue, not limited to this niche.
Perhaps part of the solution is machine readable citations. Maybe a search engine or ai could provide better results if it knew what was human generated vs machine generated. But even then you have huge gaps on one side with untrustworthy humans (like comedy) and on the other side with machine generated facts such as from a database
DoPeopleLookHere
in reply to AA5B • • •Assumes the AI is accurate, which is debatable
Also how do you do citations on a translation?
Its an interpretation, not a fact
AA5B
in reply to DoPeopleLookHere • • •Sure there are limitations. The point still stands: an imperfect machine translation is better than no translation, as long as people understand it is.
Can we afford to allow a high bad deprive people of knowledge just because of the language they speak?
The article complains about the affect on languages of poor machine translations, but the affect of no translations is worse. Yes those Greenlanders should be able to read all of Wikipedia without learning English and even if the project has no human translators
Euphoma
in reply to AA5B • • •AA5B
in reply to Euphoma • • •DoPeopleLookHere
in reply to AA5B • • •Again, your assuming a high level of accuracy from these tools. If LLM garbage leaves it unreadable, is that actually better?
Alaknár
in reply to AA5B • • •Have you not read my entire comment...?
One of the Greenlandic Wiki articles "claimed Canada had only 41 inhabitants". What use is a text like that? In what world is learning that Canada has 41 inhabitants better than going to the English version of the article and translating it yourself?
The contents of the citations are already used for training, as long as they're publicly available. That's not the problem. The problem is that LLMs do not understand context well, they are not, well, intelligent.
The "Chinese Room" thought experiment explains it best, I think: imagine you're in a room with writing utensils and a manual. Every now and again a letter falls in to the room through a slit in the wall. Your task is to take the letter and use the manual to write a response. If you see such and such shape, you're supposed to write this and that shape on the reply paper, etc. Once you're done, you throw the letter out through the slit. This goes back and forth.
To the person on the other side of the wall it seems like they're having a conversation with someone fluent in Chinese whereas you're just painting shapes based on what the manual tells you.
LLMs don't understand the prompts - they generate responses based on the probability of certain characters or words or sentences being next to each other when the prompt contains certain characters, words, and sentences. That's all there is.
There was a famous botched experiment where scientists where training an AI model to detect tumours. It got really accurate on the training data so they tested it on new cases gathered more recently. It gave a 100% certainty of a tumour being present if the photograph analysed had a yellow ruler on it, because most photos of tumours in the training data had that ruler for scale.
"Machine generated facts" are not facts, they're just hallucinations and falsehoods. It is 100% better to NOT have them at all and have to resort to the English wiki, than have them and learn bullshit.
Especially because, again, the contents of the Wikipedia are absolutely being used for training further LLM models. The more errors there are, the worse the models become eventually leading to a collapse of truth. We are already seeing this with whole "research" publications being generated, including "source" material invented on the spot, proving bogus results.
HereIAm
in reply to chloroken • • •Kissaki
in reply to chobeat • • •zarkanian
in reply to Kissaki • • •Kissaki
in reply to zarkanian • • •I am. DNS + uBlock Origin with more than the default filters.
Kinda besides the point though. Even if we wouldn't see it, it'd still be there, hosted, intended.