"it fits a tech industry playbook to grow a business first and later pay a relatively small fine...for breaking the rules... Anthropic (is valued) at $183 billion."
It's what I suspected: Anthropic did the maths on how many authors have registered copyright (only 500k out of the 7M titles stolen, $3k not $150k). Better than $750 per title(statue min)but...
It's a fine for "rule breaking" not "you stole books, erase your model and start over with non-stolen goods"
Not entirely clear, but it also appears to be a set fine? So authors in the pool get to fight over the total? Rather than "you will pay each author X amount" โ it says $3000 but that assumes 500k authors file claims. Could be less. Anthropic doesn't care, they'll pay their fine and be free to steal.
I'm really mixed on this but part of me is like "well at least creative folks will get a pittance out of this bonfire of VC funds before it all goes horribly broke."
But I think the judged boxed them in by saying it was only copyright registered works and at that point, there was no way to make them pay *enough* to bankrupt.
IDK I wasn't privy but it makes me RAGE regardless.
@dalias I honestly don't think opting out of the class helps anything... this case is settled, I'd rather see them pay as much of that settlement money as possible.
There's always other class actions that can be filed. There are *so many* companies that have stolen these books. So the question will be... what will happen with those? IDK but opting out of the class would change nothing. Might as well get authors some money.
And the judge *really* screwed authors by saying it was "fair use".
The only real remedy would have been to take it to trial and try to bankrupt Anthropic and IDK why they didn't but probably registration # s did it.
I think the judge boxed them (the suing authors) in with that. They're just not inclined to actually *make the company pay* for stealing, not when it's Silicon Valley I guess
If you don't accept being in the class you still have grounds (whether you use it or not) to make a case against them yourself, and even if not, you don't grant that their wrongdoing against you has been compensated and is a closed deal.
If the amount were going to be substantial, I guess it's a matter of how much of a difference it makes to an individual author's life and whether that's worth it. But as expected it's really low.
My understanding (not a lawyer) is that the *particular suit* being ruined by the "fair use" thing is reason to opt out of the class and have another chance at it. With a lawyer who's actually been told to prioritize making the case that it's not fair use, and given leads to expert witnesses (e.g. mathematicians who actually understand what the model is) qualified to convince a court of that.
Is it possible to be in the class collecting damages from the piracy that took place downloading corpus from libgen, without that putting you in a class where it's been ruled that the incorporation of all your books into their model was non-infringing? These seem like two separate allegations of infringement.
I'm not a lawyer and I don't know. I hope someone who is a lawyer can help advise on this, tho.
@dalias it's a fair question and I don't actually know the answer.
I would say I'll have a better idea when I can see the form I have to actually sign when I join the class action (I have 91 titles in the pirated database).
I need to look at the other suits that are already ongoing too โ and I have smart friends I expect will be weighing in on this ๐
"Judge Alsup certified the class only for piracy, not the act of AI training, and as such the fair use ruling on training applies only with respect to the three named plaintiffs, not the certified class authors and publishers. "
Today, Anthropic agreed to pay $1.5 billion to settle claims that it downloaded pirated books to train its AI systemsโthe largest U.S. copyright settlement in history.
@Sue is Writing Solarpunk ๐๐ฑ Isn't it neat how when AI companies do it, it's "training" with a $ slap on the wrist by a class action brough by individuals, but when average ppl do it with Napster or Limewire it's "piracy" and the literal govt comes to seize their property? ๐๐คก๐ค God I can't wait for this AI bubbble to bbburst and bbbankrupt some robbber bbbarons.
@growfediverse the only real remedy would have been to take them to trial and make them pay for every one of those 7M instances at $150k and just bankrupt the company.
As soon as I saw that they settled, I knew it was just a slap on the wrist.
Today, Anthropic agreed to pay $1.5 billion to settle claims that it downloaded pirated books to train its AI systemsโthe largest U.S. copyright settlement in history.
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A group called Return to the Land has established two "whites-only communities" in Arkansas, with plans for four more sites in the Ozarks and Appalachia. The creation of white โethnostatesโ is the ultimate goal of some white nationalists, a scholar of right-wing extremism explains: buff.ly/R8loWop
The image is a black and white photograph featuring a person sitting inside a large, transparent container, which appears to be a fishbowl or a similar enclosure. The person is wearing a clear plastic garment that covers their body, and they are holding a small object in their hands. The container is positioned within a window frame, which is cracked and shows signs of wear, including peeling paint and exposed wires. The background is a plain wall with visible cracks and peeling paint, adding to the overall sense of decay. The person's hair is neatly styled, and their face is obscured by the plastic covering. The photograph has a vintage or artistic quality, with a focus on the contrast between the person and the deteriorating surroundings.
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If you have a spare buck, throw it towards @Sbarry8520 whos been working to build a house for his family in The Gambia. He is probably the first person to fund building an entire house from fediverse donations which is pretty damn cool if you ask me. mstdn.social/@Sbarry8520/11515โฆ
1. All things work together for good. ยฒThere are no exceptions except in the egoโs judgment. ยณThe ego exerts maximal vigilance about what it permits into awareness, and this is not the way a balanced mind holds together. โดThe ego is thrown further off balance because it keeps its primary motivation from your awareness, and raises control rather than sanity to predominance. โตThe ego has every reason to do this, according to the thought system which gave rise to it and which it serves. โถSane 1
judgment would inevitably judge against the ego, and must be obliterated by the ego in the interest of its self-preservation. 2. A major source of the egoโs off-balanced state is its lack of discrimination between the body and the Thoughts of God. ยฒThoughts of God are unacceptable to the ego, because they clearly point to the nonexistence of the ego itself. ยณThe ego therefore either distorts them or refuses to accept them. โดIt cannot, however, make them cease to be. โตIt 2
therefore tries to conceal not only โunacceptableโ body impulses, but also the Thoughts of God, because both are threatening to it. โถBeing concerned primarily with its own preservation in the face of threat, the ego perceives them as the same. โทBy perceiving them as the same, the ego attempts to save itself from being swept away, as it would surely be in the presence of knowledge. 3. Any thought system that confuses God and the body must be insane. ยฒYet this confusion is essential to the ego, 3
which judges only in terms of threat or non-threat to itself. ยณIn one sense the egoโs fear of God is at least logical, since the idea of Him does dispel the ego. โดBut fear of the body, with which the ego identifies so closely, makes no sense at all. 4. The body is the egoโs home by its own election. ยฒIt is the only identification with which the ego feels safe, since the bodyโs vulnerability is its own best argument that you cannot be of God. ยณThis is the belief that the 4
ego sponsors eagerly. โดYet the ego hates the body, because it cannot accept it as good enough to be its home. โตHere is where the mind becomes actually dazed. โถBeing told by the ego that it is really part of the body and that the body is its protector, the mind is also told that the body cannot protect it. โทTherefore, the mind asks, โWhere can I go for protection?โ to which the ego replies, โTurn to me.โ โธThe mind, and not without cause, reminds the ego that it has itself 5
insisted that it is identified with the body, so there is no point in turning to _it_ for protection. โนThe ego has no real answer to this because there is none, but it does have a typical solution. ยนโฐIt obliterates the question from the mindโs awareness. ยนยนOnce out of awareness the question can and does produce uneasiness, but it cannot be answered because it cannot be asked. 5. This is the question that _must_ be asked: โWhere can I go for protection?โ ยฒโSeek and ye shall findโ 6
does not mean that you should seek blindly and desperately for something you would not recognize. ยณMeaningful seeking is consciously undertaken, consciously organized and consciously directed. โดThe goal must be formulated clearly and kept in mind. โตLearning and wanting to learn are inseparable. โถYou learn best when you believe what you are trying to learn is of value to you. โทHowever, not everything you may want to learn has lasting value. โธIndeed, many of the things you want to learn may be 7
chosen _because_ their value will not last. 6. The ego thinks it is an advantage not to commit itself to anything that is eternal, because the eternal must come from God. ยฒEternalness is the one function the ego has tried to develop, but has systematically failed to achieve. ยณThe ego compromises with the issue of the eternal, just as it does with all issues touching on the real question in any way. โดBy becoming involved with tangential 8
issues, it hopes to hide the real question and keep it out of mind. โตThe egoโs characteristic busyness with nonessentials is for precisely that purpose. โถPreoccupations with problems set up to be incapable of solution are favorite ego devices for impeding learning progress. โทIn all these diversionary tactics, however, the one question that is never asked by those who pursue them is, โWhat for?โ โธThis is the question that _you_ 9
must learn to ask in connection with everything. โนWhat is the purpose? ยนโฐWhatever it is, it will direct your efforts automatically. ยนยนWhen you make a decision of purpose, then, you have made a decision about your future effort; a decision that will remain in effect unless you change your mind. - A Course in Miracles (acim.org/acim/en/s/84#1:1-6:11 | T-4.V.1:1โ6:11) 10
โจ A Course in Miracles, read the complete Chapterย 4.V โThe Ego-Body Illusionโ: All things work together for good. There are no exceptions except in the egoโs judgment. The ego exertsโฆ
#MatrixDown: So, is the main issue of #Matrix too many users using the main instance, a condition actively pushed by #Vector, creating half-centralized ecosystem?
Is it the issue that #Matrix servers are a overly complex and resource hungry systems, which are hard to administrate and even harder to troubleshoot? ๐ค
Or is it a combination of these problems? Hmmm. ๐
No - running your own server is not really hard. I started using Matrix just a few days ago and from day two on I had my own server as soon as I found element-hq.github.io/synapse/lโฆ
You can either use Docker or run it native in Debian/Ubuntu. Using PostgreSQL instead of SQLite is recommened. Migrating after the initial setup is also possible but maybe a bit tricky.
I decided against Conduit as it is still beta and I did not want to deal with beta issues before even knowing how it should be with a stable server. Maybe I will give it try later. The server here has 32 GB RAM and 6 cores, so the additional load by Synapse is not a big deal so far.
Looks like it's good we're having different systems to test and use.
I'm testing @delta now and apart from privacy concerns I heard about in the past, it looks like a good, pretty much decentralized option to me, with low hosting and Admin efforts which also seems important to me for wide adoption.
Also try XMPP, that's very low effort, reliable, has been around for a while and is an IETF standard for instant messaging communication. Clients like Conversations by @daniel are simple and reliable and @dino works really well.
It even is a protocol exactly for that use-case. It's technology that makes me happy, as it just works well.
Well, I used #XMPP for 2 years or so, with #Jabber and #Dino on Windows. Very often messages were not delivered or not e2e encrypted, especially with the Dino clients.
It was hosted by a friend for a few people. The troubleshooting caused a lot of work for him. So we stopped it and moved to #Deltachat.
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-William Adama, Battlestar Galactica (2004)
With Trump sending the military into more and more cities, the line feels more relevant than ever. So I turned it into a sticker. If youโd like the design, itโs free to use. As a subtle nod to Battlestar Galactica, I recommend clipping the corners.
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I *really* wish they'd taken it to trial.
And bankrupted Anthropic.
But I think the judged boxed them in by saying it was only copyright registered works and at that point, there was no way to make them pay *enough* to bankrupt.
IDK I wasn't privy but it makes me RAGE regardless.
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in reply to Cassandrich • • •@dalias I honestly don't think opting out of the class helps anything... this case is settled, I'd rather see them pay as much of that settlement money as possible.
There's always other class actions that can be filed. There are *so many* companies that have stolen these books. So the question will be... what will happen with those? IDK but opting out of the class would change nothing. Might as well get authors some money.
Sue is Writing Solarpunk ๐๐ฑ
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And the judge *really* screwed authors by saying it was "fair use".
The only real remedy would have been to take it to trial and try to bankrupt Anthropic and IDK why they didn't but probably registration # s did it.
I think the judge boxed them (the suing authors) in with that. They're just not inclined to actually *make the company pay* for stealing, not when it's Silicon Valley I guess
Cassandrich
in reply to Sue is Writing Solarpunk ๐๐ฑ • • •If you don't accept being in the class you still have grounds (whether you use it or not) to make a case against them yourself, and even if not, you don't grant that their wrongdoing against you has been compensated and is a closed deal.
If the amount were going to be substantial, I guess it's a matter of how much of a difference it makes to an individual author's life and whether that's worth it. But as expected it's really low.
Sue is Writing Solarpunk ๐๐ฑ
in reply to Cassandrich • • •@dalias
well I have 91 works in the pirated dataset and I'm still probably not going to sue
And even if accept being in the class, it only applies to *THIS COMPANY*
if I decide I actually want to sue any of the other 5000 companies that used LibGen, I can do that
And the judge already poisoned this particular suit by ruling it's "fair use"
Cassandrich
in reply to Sue is Writing Solarpunk ๐๐ฑ • • •My understanding (not a lawyer) is that the *particular suit* being ruined by the "fair use" thing is reason to opt out of the class and have another chance at it. With a lawyer who's actually been told to prioritize making the case that it's not fair use, and given leads to expert witnesses (e.g. mathematicians who actually understand what the model is) qualified to convince a court of that.
Is it possible to be in the class collecting damages from the piracy that took place downloading corpus from libgen, without that putting you in a class where it's been ruled that the incorporation of all your books into their model was non-infringing? These seem like two separate allegations of infringement.
I'm not a lawyer and I don't know. I hope someone who is a lawyer can help advise on this, tho.
Sue is Writing Solarpunk ๐๐ฑ
in reply to Cassandrich • • •@dalias it's a fair question and I don't actually know the answer.
I would say I'll have a better idea when I can see the form I have to actually sign when I join the class action (I have 91 titles in the pirated database).
I need to look at the other suits that are already ongoing too โ and I have smart friends I expect will be weighing in on this ๐
Sue is Writing Solarpunk ๐๐ฑ
in reply to Sue is Writing Solarpunk ๐๐ฑ • • •@dalias
this seems to separate the two
"Judge Alsup certified the class only for piracy, not the act of AI training, and as such the fair use ruling on training applies only with respect to the three named plaintiffs, not the certified class authors and publishers. "
authorsguild.org/news/what-autโฆ
What Authors Need to Know About the $1.5 Billion Anthropic Settlementย - The Authors Guild
The Authors GuildGLC
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Direct link to the contact information form for the class settlement for interested parties, or potentially interested parties.
anthropiccopyrightsettlement.cโฆ
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in reply to Grow Fediverse • • •@growfediverse the only real remedy would have been to take them to trial and make them pay for every one of those 7M instances at $150k and just bankrupt the company.
As soon as I saw that they settled, I knew it was just a slap on the wrist.
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in reply to Patrick Prรฉmartin • • •@premartinpatrick if it was up to me Anthropic would have to delete all their models or go bankrupt; either one works for me
Same for all the AI companies