Borsa: Milano debole con crollo Stellantis, vola Campari, ok Tim - Notizie - Ansa.it
https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/economia/2025/10/30/borsa-milano-debole-con-crollo-stellantis-vola-campari-ok-tim_e5bb6d37-a3e8-4833-9d85-228e4a1084ef.html?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub
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Borsa: Milano debole con crollo Stellantis, vola Campari, ok Tim - Notizie - Ansa.it
Nessuna reazione dei mercati azionari del Vecchio continente alla decisione della Bce di lasciare i tassi invariati: le Borse hanno chiuso senza una direzione precisa, con la peggiore che è stata Madrid in calo dello 0,7%, seguita da Parigi in ribass…Agenzia ANSA
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Zoe Williams on the gaslighting of the voting public:
no, its not immigration that they/we are really concerned about, its the continuing cost-of-living crisis, its associated processes of enshitification of consumer goods & shrinkflation.
ReformUK may have managed to convince the political class that all we really care about is immigration (and the 'small boats'), but at home what most people are really worried about is rising prices & stagnant wages!
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Talk of ‘small boats’ may dominate politics and the media, but the cost of living crisis is what most adults spend their time worrying about, says Guardian columnist Zoe WilliamsZoe Williams (The Guardian)
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Això és bo o dolent? notarem alguna diferència els catalans? 🤔
@simoncox here's your answer, for now.
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Affinity’s new design platform combines everything into one app
After acquiring Serif last year, Canva is now relaunching Affinity as a new all-in-one app for photo editing, vector illustration, and page layoutsJess Weatherbed (The Verge)
Dass #Mastodon eine überwiegend linke & im Selbstverständnis „progressive“ #Blase bildet - ok. Was mich aber immer wieder schockt, ist der hier massive #Sexismus.
Viele Macker hier halten andersdenkende Männer für gefährlich & andersdenkende Frauen für inkompetent.
Während etwa #FriedrichMerz immer wieder ausgeschrieben oder allenfalls zu „Fritze“ #Merz verballhornt wird, werden Christdemokratinnen in Namens-Hashtags kleingemacht, verhöhnt, erniedrigt.
Sorry, mich ekelt das hier an. Sehr.🤢
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Wobei ich auch in der hiesigen Frauenfeindlichkeit ein #Feindbild wahrnehme, vor allem: #Neid.
Viele Macker (& auch einige Mackerinnen) kommen nicht auf die Erfolge andersdenkender Frauen klar.
Oft hat die #Kritik ja ihre sachliche Berechtigung, wird aber durch die triefend sexistischen Namenswitze völlig entwertet.
Und das schadet nicht nur diesen Neidern, sondern auch dem #Fediversum insgesamt. Fürchte ich.
kann schon sein, ich kenn den Fall nicht, oft wird andersdenkenden Frauen auch die Authentizität und ihre Leistung abgesprochen und sie werden als "Token" hingestellt.
Frauen in einer konservativen Partei haben kein Erfolg, sie biedern sich dem Patriarchen an. Der Patriarch ist ein Mann, das Patriarchat das System. Es dient aber eigentlich häufig zur Externalisierung bzw. als Feindbild.
Danke, @Lykanthrop_ , aber erlaube mir:
1. Die #CDU ist keine konservative, sondern eine christdemokratische #Partei. Vgl. Volker #Kauder & auch #CompassMitte dazu.
2. Die #Union hat bereits eine langjährige #Bundeskanzlerin & eine amtierende #EU - Kommissionspräsidentin hervorgebracht.
3. Genau damit kommen m.E. schein-progressive #Macker nicht klar. Statt ihr Weltbild zu überprüfen, externalisieren sie ihren #Neid.
Beobachte ich. Leider. Hier. stuttgarter-zeitung.de/inhalt.…
Volker Kauder - „Die CDU war nie eine konservative Partei“
Im Gespräch mit unserer Zeitung warnt der langjährige Unionsfraktionschef im Bundestag, Volker Kauder, seine Partei vor einer Abkehr von den christdemokratischen Wurzeln.Norbert Wallet (Stuttgarter Zeitung)
@Michael Blume @Lykanthrop_
Wenn ich mir - erlaube mir - Fritze und seine Mischpoche so ansehe, und die Vorgänger und Mittäter die nach wie vor im Amt sind so ansehe, dann sind die Christdemokraten weder christlich noch demokratisch. Sie sind auch nicht Konservativ sondern reaktionär. Nicht fortschrittlich sondern wissenschaftsfeindlich.
Und die paar Ausnahmen machen das Kraut nicht fett.
Für mich sind die Christdemokraten (Ob jetzt CDU oder CSU oder die ÖVP in Österreich) die größte und ungustiöseste Mogelpackung seit der Erfindung der Mogelpackung.
Einfach nur ohne jeden Anstand.
A boy enjoys his ice cream as he sits on a sea mine washed up on the beach at Deal in Kent, UK 🇬🇧 (1940)
Americans blame Trump and GOP more than Democrats for shutdown, poll finds
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/10/30/trump-shutdown-blame-poll/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub
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RE: mastodon.social/@tusk81/115464…
“Sorry, it’s emotional because it’s my community. It’s the people I grew up with. It’s the people I see day in, day out. It’s family members. It’s my son’s friends and their family members. And that can happen to any one of us …”
“They were part of our community, and our community is being targeted, and they needed to be remembered.”youtube.com/shorts/Lzc1caSX8Qk
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For #ThrowbackThursday here is one of the sweetest photos I've taken of my cats, from exactly five years ago today. 
#Cats #CatsOfMastodon #FediCats
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“They were part of our community, and our community is being targeted, and they needed to be remembered.”
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Profitez des vidéos et de la musique que vous aimez, mettez en ligne des contenus originaux, et partagez-les avec vos amis, vos proches et le monde entier.www.youtube.com
Boomers push to eliminate property taxes would hurt millennials, Gen Z
Boomers want to stop paying property taxes on the valuable real estate they own. That could hamstring millennials and Gen Zers trying to buy a home.Juliana Kaplan (Business Insider)
Scalzi Reviews Grokipedia
...by reading his own biography. Not surprisingly, it gets a lot of things wrong even when the correct information is available, and it puts a lot of emphasis on the decade-old Sad Puppies kerfuffle because apparently right-wingers are still obsessed with it or something. Some choice excerpts:
> fundamentally LLMs aren’t built for accuracy, they’re built for statistical probability, and these really are two separate things. > Having used Wikipedia for a while now, I feel reasonably sure that its biases are not “liberal,” they’re “pedantic,” > Which is to say, if you have to choose a “pedia” to trust, you might choose the one assembled by a bunch of pedantic nerds saying “well, ACTUALLY” to each other until the heat death of the universe, over the one assembled by an LLM controlled by a, insecure Nazi salute-throwing billionaire who sprints to reprogram that LLM every time it shares a fact that makes that billionaire angry or sad, or doesn’t fit into his Playskool Machiavellian ambitions and plans. In this particular case, a thousand pedantic nerds is much better than a single rich one.
#LLM #JohnScalzi #politics #ElonMusk #Wikipedia
A Review of Grokipedia, Using Myself as Test Subject
What? You didn’t know that Grokipedia exists? Well, it does, and it’s Elon Musk’s attempt to run Wikipedia out of town on a rail: An “AI”-generated compendium of infor…Whatever
Google potenzia Android con funzioni AI per sviluppatori
#AI #Android #AndroidDev #AndroidStudio #Gemini #GoogleAI #GooglePlay #Novità #Programming #Sviluppatori #TechNews #Tecnologia #TheAndroidShow
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Google potenzia Android con funzioni AI per sviluppatori
Google introduce funzioni AI su Android e Google Play per semplificare sviluppo, analisi e traduzioni, che rendono l’ecosistema più competitivo e accessibile.CeoTech
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New York declares state of emergency to help food banks in shutdown
New York’s governor, Kathy Hochul, has declared a state of emergency to raise $65m to help food banks as federal funding for the national food stamps program is set to expire on Saturday due to the government shutdown.
The move comes after Oregon and Virginia also declared emergencies to make funds available to cover the anticipated short fall in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (Snap), which provides food aid to nearly 42 million people.
New York receives nearly $650m a month in federal funding for Snap benefits, according to Department of Agriculture figures.
Oregon governor Tina Kotek on Wednesday pledged $5m to food banks and declared a 60-day food security emergency. Virginia governor Glenn Youngkin has said the state will draw on surplus funds to pay for up to a month of Snap benefits.
The declarations come amid an ongoing standoff between the Trump administration and the Republicans, on one side, and the Democrats, over a federal government funding package. Neither Congress nor the White House has acted to fund November Snap benefits, which cost around $8bn a month.
Senate passes bill to nullify Trump’s sweeping global tariffs on more than 100 nations – US politics live
Vote passes 51-47 in latest bipartisan effort to end tariffs, after resolutions on repealing Canada and Brazil tariffs passed earlier this weekAdam Fulton (The Guardian)
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I love TLC, because no one knows exactly what they mean.
o Adventure Game Interpreter
o Female sexual dysfunction
o YLD?
today i found out that our caching-problem i #flohmarkt has multiple intertwining causes and i finally un-fuddled everything necessary to know. reasons are:
1.) we need to make sure that the reverseproxies in our deployments do not cache
2.) a bug in starlette that can get the cache-validation confused if files change but their modified-timestamps stay the same.
i've compiled an overview here: codeberg.org/flohmarkt/flohmar…
Cache busting
After an update of muc.deals, I realized that involved assets (basically all changed .css, .js and .svg files) are still cached in the browser resulting in a broken site. Current workaround for the user is to hard reload the page (STRG+F5).Codeberg.org
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Maryland state Sen. Dalya Attar indicted on extortion charges
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/10/30/maryland-state-senator-dalya-attar-charged/?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub
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The ICC plans to switch from Microsoft Office to Open Desk, a European open source alternative, amid concerns about public bodies' reliance on US tech companies (Maximilian Henning/Euractiv)
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The ICC plans to switch from Microsoft Office to Open Desk, a European open source alternative, amid concerns about public bodies' reliance on US tech companies
By Maximilian Henning / Euractiv. View the full context on Techmeme.Techmeme
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Israel demanded Google and Amazon use secret 'wink' to sidestep legal orders
Link: theguardian.com/us-news/2025/o…
Discussion: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4…
Revealed: Israel demanded Google and Amazon use secret ‘wink’ to sidestep legal orders
The tech giants agreed to extraordinary terms to clinch a lucrative contract with the Israeli government, documents showHarry Davies (The Guardian)
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Sos Milan: Tomori, Leao e Gimenez in dubbio per la Roma. Allegri studia le alternative
https://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Serie-A/Milan/30-10-2025/milan-roma-tomori-leao-e-gimenez-in-dubbio.shtml?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub
Pubblicato su Calcio @calcio-Gazzetta
Sos Milan: Tomori, Leao e Gimenez in dubbio per la Roma. Allegri studia le alternative
Tutti e tre oggi hanno lavorato a parte e verranno valutati giorno per giorno: se Rafa e Santi dessero forfait, attacco affidato a Nkunku e Loftus-Cheek. Jashari e Estupinan di nuovo in gruppo: sono recuperatiMarco Pasotto (La Gazzetta dello Sport)
Using woke as a pejorative term? Absolutely get fucked, Impossible Foods CEO - not buying your products.
Impossible Foods CEO Says The Plant-Based Sector Became Too 'Woke And Partisan'
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Impossible Foods CEO Says The Plant-Based Sector Became Too 'Woke And Partisan'
Peter McGuinness, the current CEO of Impossible Foods, has said that the plant-based sector was previously too “woke and divisive”Liam Pritchett (Plant Based News)
How does leadership in an industry that’s based on ethics even have this POV. Some people eat plant-based foods for health. But I—like so most vegetarians/vegans—don’t eat animals for moral reasons.
Their veggie burger isn’t the best, anyway. They try too hard to make it emulate meat.
I can’t believe this unethical shit stain runs a plant-based foods company. What a dick.
North Dakota judge says Greenpeace must pay $345 million in pipeline lawsuit | AP News October 29, 2025
A North Dakota judge has ordered Greenpeace to pay damages of $345 million, reducing an earlier jury award after it found the environmental group and related entities liable for defamation and other claims in connection with protests of an oil pipeline nearly a decade ago.
The new amount is roughly half the $667 million that a jury had awarded to the pipeline company that brought the claims, Dallas-based Energy Transfer and subsidiary Dakota Access.
Mahler's Eighth with Wagner, Farcas, Redpath, Lehmkuhl, Jorias, Philip, Pol & Steffens from Copenhagen - Schedule // - www.worldconcerthall.com
Jacquelyn Wagner, soprano, Valentina Farcas, soprano, Live Redpath, soprano, Wiebke Lehmkuhl, mezzo-soprano, Jasmin Jorias, mezzo-soprano, David Butt Philip, tenor, Christoph Pol, baritone, David Steffens, bass, the Copenhagen Boys' Choir, the BBC Si…www.worldconcerthall.com
LIVE Alle 20.45 Pisa-Lazio: Moreo e Nzola per Gila, Sarri con Dia e Zaccagni
https://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Serie-A/Pisa/30-10-2025/pisa-lazio-live-risultato-e-gol-in-diretta-serie-a.shtml?utm_source=flipboard&utm_medium=activitypub
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LIVE Alle 20.45 Pisa-Lazio: Moreo e Nzola per Gila, Sarri con Dia e Zaccagni
I toscani cercano il primo successo, gli ospiti vogliono dare continuità dopo la vittoria sulla JuveLa Gazzetta dello Sport
🚀 Gitea 1.25.0 is LIVE!
This release is PACKED with performance boosts, new dev UX features, and major workflow improvements.
Huge thanks to all contributors ❤️
🔗 Full release notes: blog.gitea.com/release-of-1.25…
#Gitea #opensource #devops #git #selfhosted #platformengineering
Gitea 1.25.0 is released | Gitea Blog
We are thrilled to announce the latest release of Gitea v1.25.0.blog.gitea.com
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Writing about why the existence of Bounce is so personal for me, and it's been tough to relive memories of the communities I've lost.
The web is a beautiful place, but it's always at risk of being stolen from us. I feel so fortunate to be a part of a coalition of builders + users fighting for it.
#Fediverse Threads
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FYI - quote boosts can be used to try to create mobs to harass people to force them off the platform, for not supporting trans folk too.
we can't have a #SocialWeb where bad opinions are not allowed, or where abuse towards people expressing those views is allowed. well not if we care about a big fedi. we actually don't need federation at all if we'd like everybody with conflicting views to be on separate platforms anyway.
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Non mi lascio sfuggire l'occasione per ricordare che in provincia di Vicenza abbiamo Nanto
@Zambunny Un uomo in piedi su un terreno roccioso. Indossa una tuta aderente color turchese con un colletto rosso. La tuta ha delle imbottiture sulle spalle, rivestite di pelo bianco. Indossa polsini e fascette alla caviglia neri. Ha capelli turchesi e guarda direttamente lo spettatore. Alle sue spalle c'è un cielo azzurro con nuvole gialle.
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#fox #nature #wildlife #photography
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Fox of the Day... now an irregular series Fox Cub (photographed 8th August 2025). (#6700) Published 11th August 2025 ~~~~~~~~~~ Follow on Mastodon @Words@vivaldi.Everything is Permuted
10 new Israeli airstrikes on Khan Younis; #Trump agrees to one-year trade truce with Xi; Sudan’s Rapid Support Forces execute at least 460 people inside a hospital
Drop Site Daily: Oct 30, 2025
from #DropSiteNews
#Qatar’s Prime Minister suggests #Hamas breached the ceasefire with an attack in Rafah that killed an Israeli soldier. Hamas says #Israel is deliberately collapsing the agreement and seeking to impose new terms through violence, as it has “done before in #Lebanon and #Gaza.” Google and Amazon secretly accept extraordinary conditions to secure Israel’s $1.2 billion Project Nimbus cloud deal, according to a joint investigation...The Department of Homeland Security announces it will require biometric data from all departing noncitizens at every official exit point beginning Dec. 26... #Sudan’s RSF execute over 460 hospital patients and their companions in [...] #Darfur.
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💡 Python 3.14 è ora disponibile su Azure App Service for Linux con base Ubuntu
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Python 3.14 è ora disponibile su Azure App Service for Linux con base Ubuntu
Python 3.14 su Azure App Service per Linux migliora prestazioni, concorrenza e sviluppo grazie al nuovo runtime free-threaded e alla base Ubuntu.cristina (Gomoot : tecnologia e lifestyle)
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Audio Sangiuliano, Maria Rosaria Boccia è indagata per interferenze illecite
Il gip di Roma ha disposto il sequestro preventivo del file audio relativo a una conversazione privata tra l’ex ministro e la moglie. Intanto il ... Scopri di più!Domani
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Per un singolo voto, il Rassemblement national di Marine Le Pen è riuscito a far approvare all'Assemblea una mozione non vincolante per l'annullamento degli accordi franco-algerini. Non era mai accaduto prima nella storia della Quinta Repubblica
Francia, l'estrema destra ottiene una vittoria storica in Parlamento (ma solo simbolica)
Per un singolo voto, il Rassemblement national di Marine Le Pen è riuscito a far approvare all'Assemblea una mozione non vincolante per l'annullamento degli accordi franco-algerini.Francesco Bortoletto bortoletto_f (Eunews)
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Notice Which Genocides You Are And Are Not Allowed To Oppose
Listen to a reading of this article (reading by Tim Foley):Caitlin Johnstone (Caitlin’s Newsletter)
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es ist mir ein rätsel, warum die niederländer diesen wilders wählen. nicht, dass ich das mit den rechtsradikalen nicht verstünde (tue ich zwar nicht, aber die gibts ja mittlerweile überall), aber besonders die abstimmung für wilders ist mir vollkommen unverständlich.
der mann ist das einzige mitglied seiner partei! PVV, Partei für die Freiheit. ausschließlich für seine freiheit! der mann ist noch nicht einmal in der lage, ein politische partei zu führen. sich in dieser partei mit gleichgesinnten und gegnern auseinanderzusetzen. eine partei führen! dieser mensch ist zu feige sich mit anderen auseinanderzusetzen, zu ängstlich, sich in parteiinterne diskussionen zu begeben. oder er kann es nicht! wer weiß?
wie können die niederländischen wähler der PVV ernsthaft glauben, dass jemand so offensichtlich unfähiger wie wilders irgendwie geeignet sein könnte mitzuregieren oder gar ein land zu führen? völlig unabhängig davon, was er so von sich gibt ...
#politik #niederlande #GeertWilders #PVV #wahl #rechtsradikale
Niederlanden: Wahlergebnis erst in einigen Tagen - gute Chancen für JettenGestern feierte die niederländische D66 schon den scheinbar klaren Wahlsieg. Doch nun ist das Rennen so knapp, dass es dauern wird, bis ein Ergebnis vorliegt. D66-Chef Jetten hat aber gute Chancen, Premier zu werden. Von L. Kazmierczak.
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#Niederlande #Wahl #Parlamentswahl
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Republicans have painted Democrats as "anti American" for being free traders. Democrats need to get free trade RELIGION before the mid-terms.
Tariffs are evil. They are a caustic tax on everything, including American productivity. If you are liberal, then you should HATE tariffs because they are a regressive tax that fall on the poor more heavily than the rich.
I have feared that Democrats are just waiting for Trump to leave, only to keep the tariffs in place.
#Senate passes resolution to end #Trump’s global #tariffs; 4 #Republicans side with #Democrats
4 Republican senators voted with Democrats on Thursday to approve a bipartisan resolution to repeal Trump’s global tariffs, including steeper rates on long-time #allies such as the #EU, #Japan & #SouthKorea.
Sen #RandPaul (KY), #GOP sponsor of the resolution, & Sens #MitchMcConnell (R-KY), #SusanCollins (R-ME) & #LisaMurkowski (R-AK) voted for it.
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Passage of the measure is a symbolic victory for critics of Trump’s #trade policies, but it will have little practical effect as Speaker #MikeJohnson (R-LA) is unlikely to bring it up for a vote in the #House & #Trump is certain to veto anything that curtails his #power.
[Though notably the tariffs were ruled illegal by the Court of International Trade → npr.org/2025/08/29/nx-s1-55224…]
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💡 WhatsApp introdurrà le passkey per i backup delle chat
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WhatsApp introduce le chiavi di accesso per backup sicuri
WhatsApp migliora la sicurezza dei backup con le passkey: basta il volto, l'impronta o il PIN del telefono per crittografare i messaggi in modo automatico.cristina (Gomoot : tecnologia e lifestyle)
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As US Sanctions Roll Out, Two Russian Tankers Are Now Stranded on Their Way to India — UNITED24 Media Oct 30, 2025
A Russian tanker carrying around 40,000 tons of crude oil has been drifting off India’s western coast since October 26, unable to dock at its destination port of Mundra, after Indian refiners began turning away cargoes linked to newly sanctioned Russian energy firms, Reuters reported, citing traders and LSEG shipping data on October 30.
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As US Sanctions Roll Out, Two Russian Tankers Are Now Stranded on Their Way to India
The Prometei tanker, carrying 40,000 tons of crude oil, remains unable to dock in India as refiners avoid sanctioned Russian shipments.Vlad Litnarovych (UNITED24 Media)
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in reply to Emeritus Prof Christopher May • • •The silent (non-thundering) majority rests. 😢
ABOLISH PRIVATE HEALTHCARE!⚫
in reply to Emeritus Prof Christopher May • • •Claire McNab
in reply to Emeritus Prof Christopher May • • •Emeritus Prof Christopher May
in reply to Claire McNab • • •@2legged
yes, I can see that (and see some of that over here in NW Lancashire)
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in reply to Emeritus Prof Christopher May • • •cost of living is an every day concern.
Giles Goat
in reply to Emeritus Prof Christopher May • • •Emeritus Prof Christopher May
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Yes, there its always necessary to make the distinction between nominal & real wages... and this is a distinction that workers are all too well aware of, even if they don't use the terminology