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France Issues Warnings for Thunderstorms and Floods in South
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Mud Run Natural Area
Hickory Run State Park, PA
There is a stretch of Mud Run that widens and deepens into a lake-like pool, hidden near the busy Hawk Falls. Harder to reach, it rewards you with quiet escape 🤫
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Evidently I’m incapable of putting my oil pastels down. 🙃
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Saiba quais empresas financeiras e fundos foram alvos da megaoperação contra o PCC - Gazeta Brasil- Notícias
A megaoperação Carbono Oculto, realizada nesta quinta-feira (28) em oito estados, atingiu 42 dos 350 alvos na Avenida Brigadeiro Faria Lima, em São Paulo, umGazeta Brasil
Google: 'Your $1000 phone needs our permission to install apps now'". Android users are screwed - Louis Rossmann
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Rural #Texas wears a friendly facade. You know everyone, and everyone treats each other so kindly, but, if you’re Black, you just ignore the stares when you walk into the local steakhouse for fish fry night. texasobserver.org/racism-wrapp…
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Racism Wrapped in Rural Warmth
Staying in my hometown means facing subtle prejudice in day-to-day life.Rana Banks (The Texas Observer)
There are a lot of folk tales featuring bread, often featuring the many horrible, horrible things that happen to those who disrespect it.
Keeping with the Folksy theme of British Wildlife for today, here is one of our most loved insects, the peacock butterfly, with a plant that many hate, Buddleia.
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'Israele valuta annessioni Cisgiordania come rappresaglia' - Medio Oriente - Ansa.it
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'Israele valuta annessioni Cisgiordania come rappresaglia' - Medio Oriente - Ansa.it
Il governo israeliano sta seriamente valutando di annettere parti della Cisgiordania occupata come ritorsione per l'imminente riconoscimento della Palestina da parte di diversi Paesi occidentali. (ANSA)Agenzia ANSA
Scossa di terremoto ai Campi Flegrei, magnitudo 3.3
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Scossa di terremoto ai Campi Flegrei, magnitudo 3.3
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"How the UN could act today to stop the genocide in Palestine"
"As a key deadline approaches in the United Nations General Assembly, a little-used UN mechanism, immune from the US veto, could bring military protection to the Palestinian people"
“We cannot normalise” these protests, said one MSP, as campaigners warn that far-right groups are exploiting concerns over asylum accommodation.
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Far right accused of racism, threats and attacks at anti-migrant protests
Anti-migrant protests are becoming more common in Scotland. We looked at the groups attending, the messages being shared and what’s at stake.Billy Briggs (The Ferret)
Highland Park Residence / Alterstudio Architecture
Completed in 2018 in Dallas, United States. Images by Casey Dunn Photography. The Highland Park residence offers a counter proposal to the contemporary Tudor mansions and French chateaus of this tony Dallas...Pilar Caballero (ArchDaily)
Google: 'Your $1000 phone needs our permission to install apps now'
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#OTD (Aug 31) in 1951, narcotics investigators point to Italy as the source of #heroin reaching the U.S. and brand exiled gangster Salvatore 'Charlie #Luciano' Lucania the leader of a #Mafia drug smuggling operation.
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Anthropic is planning to bring the famous Claude Code to the web, and it might be similar to ChatGPT Codex, but you'll need GitHub to get started.
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Da Sofia Gascon a Monica Guerritore i premiati del Kineo - Cinema - Ansa.it
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Da Sofia Gascon a Monica Guerritore i premiati del Kineo - Cinema - Ansa.it
Karla Sofia Gascón, Miglior Attrice Internazionale per Emilia Pérez di Jacques Audiard, il turco Aras Aydin, premiato come Miglior Attore di Serie Internazionale, Monica Guerritore, Miglior Attrice di Serie Italiana per Inganno di Pappi Corsicato son…Agenzia ANSA
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Saluti e abbracci poi la partenza: Greta Thunberg è salpata con la Gaza Sumud Flotilla da Barcellona
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Saluti e abbracci poi la partenza: Greta Thunberg è salpata con la Gaza Sumud Flotilla da Barcellona
Venti imbarcazioni della Global Sumud Flotilla sono salpate da Barcellona per Gaza con circa 300 attivisti a bordo, tra cui esponenti politici e personalità in…La Stampa
Moorland views.
I took the camera up to Bodmin moor today to capture some moody black and white shots.
Theres so much mining history, gnarled wind swept trees and moody skys, it really fires up the imagination for photography.
I hid in an engine house to dodge the downpours, and was lucky enough to see some sunshine in between the showers 😀
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#Blaugust2025 has come to a close with this one finally summary post. I'm glad I took part this year, even if it was a challenge to myself to complete it. I realize I still have a whole lot more to write about in my post topic backlog!
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Farewell to Blaugust 2025!
And so, another Blaugust has come and gone, and another 31 posts have been written.aywren.com
China and India are cooperation partners, not rivals: Xi
Chinese President Xi Jinping on Sunday told Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi that China and India are cooperation partners, not rivals, and that the two countries are each other's development opportunities rather than threats.en.qstheory.cn
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in reply to toeblast96 • • •very seamless, official lineage builds work amazing.
only hiccups ive had are play integrity, i really didnt want to root but i have to in order to hide authy and similar apps that throw a fit. ended up installing magisk and im all green for now
other issue is losing sony sidesense, since i have an Xperia 5 III and it's 21:9, being able to pull down the notification drawer without reaching all the way up there was great. ill live with the alternatives that come with android for now though until i find out what is a real replacement
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in reply to DaddleDew • • •From a cursory glance, they don't ship to any of the largest smartphone markets. That's likely why you don't hear much about them as opposed to any of the global distributors.
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in reply to extremeboredom • • •For my next phone it will be between a used Pixel with Graphene OS and the Fairphone 6 with the de-Googled e/OS option. A modern Pixel would be a little better for CPU, camera and RAM, but the Fairphone has decent hardware specs and tries to be more ethical about the environment and its suppliers, and it has a replaceable battery. The Fairphone is expensive in the USA though.
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Edit: After reading this thread I would lean towards Graphene OS:
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The Fairphone (Gen. 6) now with privacy-first /e/OS
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in reply to floofloof • • •Recently a user here did the math on that and the fair/eco part of fairphone is really miniscule (they spend less than 5$ per phone and a big part of that are fairwashing credits).
Unless you need the repairability or the specific specs, you might be better off to buy a cheaper phone and just donate money to a good cause.
Here is the original post: lemmy.world/post/32013987
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in reply to black_flag • • •It works well enough to use as a daily driver on Bookworm and Trixie (and some other distros) but would only recommend if you're ok with Linux, and either are a developer or don't mind some rough parts around the edges.
E.g. some carriers uses 2 APNs, one for internet and one for MMS. You can send/receive on both, but the router is not yet complete, so if you send/receive media or use a group chat via text, need to switch to MMS mode in settings to do so first, then switch back to internet. Not an issue on most carriers as they only have 1 APN, but an edge case for the ones that do have this configuration.
black_flag
in reply to Canuck • • •Yeah, that's a really rough edge, but also...if it doesn't apply to you... 🤔
Good to hear that it's a potential option, if you do your research.
TheTechnician27
in reply to cyrano • • •Purism scams their customers left, right, and center and have for effectively their entire existence. They should not be trusted, and their phone specs are basically from 2013 sold for $800.
So even if you're idealistic enough to pay $800 for a phone that'd be in a landfill if it didn't have hardware privacy features, Purism will take that trust you have in them and screw you over – delay you for as long as they need to/can/want with no recourse for a refund outside of maybe the courts. After which you hope you either get a functioning product or get good luck with a disorganized, opaque, scumfuck company like that.
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in reply to TheTechnician27 • • •You're not being honest. They struggled to deliver their ambitious mainline Linux phone on time during Covid yes, but they eventually delivered. The fact that they did is a huge win for the mobile Linux ecosystem becoming a real contender just when we need it. All their other products are just fine.
NXP i.MX family debuted in 2013; Intel i7 family in 2008. Their phone uses a 2017 i.MX 8M Quad, the same year they crowdfunded their phone. 2017 i7 computers are equally not from 2008..
It still today remains one of the best ARM processors with open source drivers without an integrated baseband. It means basically any flavour of Linux can install on the device, with a significant layer of protection from carrier conduited attacks. Other modules have similar tradeoffs between performance and interoperability/security.
Want better specs? We either need SoC companies to release more of their drivers open source, or more people to patiently reverse engineer closed source ones.
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in reply to Canuck • • •And for the people who requested refunds who waited months if not never received them? Despite them moving back their timeline literal years with repeated delays? I don't care what challenges they faced; they knowingly took people's money and refused to give it back to them when they couldn't deliver. It's their responsibility to be prepared for challenges. And in some extreme edge case where they couldn't have been prepared, it's their responsibility to be transparent about that to the people who gave them over a million dollars (let alone purchased the product after the Kickstarter was finished). I suppose too that the pandemic affected Purism in January 2019 when they were supposed to deliver their product?
The Librem 5 is not a contender for shit. It's so overpriced that it can only be successfully marketed to people who care so deeply about their privacy that they're willing to use an inconvenient mobile OS, get completely boned on hardware specs, and deal with a company notorious for fucking over its customers. Purism's behavior is a fucking embarrassment to the Linux ecosystem.
That CPU is based on the ARM Cortex-A53 and Cortex-M4, launched in 2012 and 2009, respectively.
When I say "2013", I'm not talking about the debut year of i.MX. I'm talking about the fact that you can compare this phone side-by-side with a Galaxy S4 or S5. 3 GB of RAM, 32 GB of eMMC storage, a 720 x 1440p IPS display, no NFC, USB 3.0, an 8/13 MP front/back camera (which they inexplicably call "Mpx"; good job, guys), 802.11n Wi-Fi, no waterproofing, and a shitty-ass i.MX 8M CPU. I still remember watching a trailer for the Librem 5's continuing development, and as they were scrolling through a web browser, it was noticeably stuttering. This was years and years ago; I can't even imagine it today.
I do not give even the slightest inkling of a shit try to confirm or deny this, so I'm just going to assume it's 100% true, because it's not relevant to the point that the spec is absolute trash and being sold for $800. If you are not absolutely married to privacy, this is not a sellable product in 2025.
Actually, if I want better specs, I'm just going to go out and buy a phone that isn't from Purism. It really sucks that it's not open, private hardware, but Purism is such a scummy company that so wantonly fucks over their customers that I wouldn't touch the Librem 5 even if I could justify spending $800 for that spec just for privacy's sake.
Dem Bosain
in reply to waldo_was_here • • •Everywhere I talk about some corporation removing features you bought and paid for, someone says that "they personally would never used that feature", or "serves them right for buying from that company".
In other words, go fuck yourself.
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“Ok, so what do i switch to now? I refuse apple. So what do i have to chose from?”,
and Louis’ reply is “nothing”.
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in reply to waldo_was_here • • •Fairphone with lineage OS is a better option in my opinion.
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in reply to neo2478 • • •Child slaves labored to make raw materials for the device you're holding. Your purchase kept the market rate for raw materials high, encouraging the continued use of slave labor. Don't you feel bad?
We do the best we can with the decisions we have available to us.
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in reply to Statick • • •Likewise, Pixel 6 with similar track record but nearing 4 years. Plus it sits on my motorcycle handlebars for 18000km+ so it's hardly been coddled.
This all just makes me so sad about the future of phones. What a shit set of decisions we have coming up.
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LiveLM
in reply to elucubra • • •"Uugfhh, but the users don't read the warnings!! They just click yes until it works!!"
And that's my problem because???? For fucks sake
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in reply to rustyredox • • •With this shift and other control based decisions Google has been making, does Apple devices start to make more sense? Neither platform offers true control over there device you "own", but Apple at the very least isn't a marketing company.
I can't believe a company hasn't swooped in and eaten Apple and Google's lunch.
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in reply to the_q • • •You need a certain critical mass to enter this market, since you need to be able to get an army of Foxconn slaves to produce the handsets.
No company is going to be and to swoop in and eat those two's lunches.
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in reply to Baron Von J • • •I kind of feel like MS tried three distinct times, first with their WinMo products pre-Apple, then with their Nokia partnership, then finally with one last push through the mid-10's before Intel finally made x86 on mobile an impossibility (nuking the Atom line, selling their 5G modem business to Apple, etc) and before there just weren't any paths forward for MS.
Amazon and FB having their own phone product lines felt like the weirdest me-too-also-ran Android reskins to extend their own walled gardens, but also felt like both threw in the towel after like 18 months?!?
MS had to be a loser for more than a decade before they gave up. They were really great at being a big loser.
It's just .. apparent that nobody is going to do this for the love of the game, and that they can only get minimum market presence by financing their way to launching yet another walled garden ecosystem. Which is exactly what we all want to avoid in this group.
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in reply to cardfire • • •You also need every company to develop for a third mobile platform, where two different ones are already a big ask.
Easy solution would be to run existing apps on Linux, probably would be Android.
Another solution would we move to PWAs to have apps in the browser.
Both these things already happened on desktop Linux with Windows games using Proton and most proprietary desktop apps switching to Electron.
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in reply to kayazere • • •Honest question - why not fork android which already has all of the infrastructure needed for things like 5G handling, power management, and a widely supported ecosystem of components and vendors?
I would try a Linux phone, absolutely, but why not just Android instead?
The issue is current and future vendors for current and future Android phones are largely tainted and lockstep with Google.
But wouldn't developing off yesteryear Android still be leap years ahead of just reinventing the wheel around Linux? I kinda thought Android was Linux for our devices.
I'm mostly saying this just because I'm jealous to bring all of my APK's with me into that future.
I don't want to give up my reddit app and my current trio of browsers.
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in reply to mnhs1 • • •If Reddit Old would play nice with said device, and doesn't have a native app, I probably will settle on that when my ReVanced 3rd-party-Boost finally dies. (I also use the same developer's Boost for Lemmy app).
I already use Amazon in one browser instead of its app, and Facebook in a whole separate browser on my device, even.
But there are apps on in daily, like my brokerage account and my budget/financial app (Monarch Money is worth the subscription, for me).
I would absolutely pay for access to
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in reply to pdxfed • • •Until a few months ago I was all-in the Apple ecosystem. iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple TV. Seeing them launch things like Universal Control was amazing.
Then I jumped out, got a Pixel, put Graphene on it, and started messing with Linux.
... Only to discover that Universal Control is essentially just Input Leap, which can trace its history back to 2001 and the launch of Synergy.
Apple are absolutely a marketing company. Don't get me wrong, they add some much-needed polish, but they essentially just rejig existing tech and lock it down so it only works on their devices sold in the last few years.
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in reply to SoleInvictus • • •I use Debian as my daily driver and am disappointed to see that the best-supported devices under Mobian within my budget are the Pinephone (which has shockingly low specs) or the Pinephone Pro (recently discontinued, no longer sold. Also had poor specs).
I was toying with was getting an SBC with an LTE/5G hat & 7in touch screen, plugging it into a portable battery, and 3d printing a case for it.
Fairphone with PostMarketOS seems more practical.
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in reply to pogmommy • • •But I might have a look at it again and see how many tasks still remains before I could theoretically use Mobian as a daily driver.
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in reply to owenfromcanada • • •My main problem with linux phones is that many apps only exist only for android or ios.
Sure some apps are basically a website that you can acess by web browser but many apps cant be replaced able (banking, tickets, public transport, games)
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in reply to sk1nnym1ke • • •Android apps on mobile Linux, even for games. Doesn't help for banking apps though as they'll usually lock you out due to not passing Google safety checks.
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in reply to sk1nnym1ke • • •I thought so too, but over the years I have migrated so much of my life away from apps in order to see if it's possible and apart from games I find that with a browser and an email client I don't really need apps. Still use apps though, they are way more convenient.
Banking is tedious without apps, but works with browser and an MFA-dongle in my country.
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in reply to BlackPenguins • • •OboTheHobo
in reply to rustyredox • • •Something kind of concerning I just found - there's an option for "limited distribution" which is "Intended for 'students, hobbyists, and other personal use.'" One of the differences is the following:
Doesn't this imply there's going to be global tracking of what apps people are installing even through sideloading or APKs? I can't think of any other way to enforce this. They would have to know how many times people installed an app even when its not through any kind of app store or even from the internet at all.
Peffse
in reply to OboTheHobo • • •I'm pretty sure that was implemented a while ago. My install of VLC from F-Droid started showing up in Play Store's update list.
It couldn't update since the signature didn't match, but Google knew about it and included it anyway.
BananaOnionJuice
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in reply to Peffse • • •Peffse
in reply to davidgro • • •Google side loading detection(Stop let us install .apk files outside of Google play store)
fits79 (XDA Forums)kopasz7
in reply to Peffse • • •davidgro
in reply to Peffse • • •It's been the case ever since I started using Android (and modded APKs such as old versions of apps re-signed to not update) in about 2011.
Some of the root apps back then such as Titanium Backup had features to "unhook" an app so it wouldn't appear as installed in the store, but my experience was that it never lasted long enough to be worth doing.
JustARaccoon
in reply to OboTheHobo • • •0x0
in reply to OboTheHobo • • •App stores provide the apks but then you'll use your phone's installer to actually, well, install the apks.
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in reply to thesystemisdown • • •hopefully some flavor of linux
edit: but I'd take MacOS or Windows over either iOS or Android at this point. I suppose a toughbook mounted in my truck would do the job also. Cops rotate those out on a fairly regular basis.
Bennyboybumberchums
in reply to rustyredox • • •Tja
in reply to Bennyboybumberchums • • •Rikudou_Sage
in reply to Tja • • •Well, I use Obtainium to install all my FOSS apps directly from the repository.
I also built a game for kids (available publicly) and then made a plugin just for my kid which includes some licensed characters, for obvious reasons I can't put that onto the Play Store, so apk installation it is.
Mog_fanatic
in reply to Tja • • •I get what you're saying and you're definitely right. I don't side load things all that much but the times I have was because there was no other viable way to get what I needed and it worked amazingly well (not to mention testing something before it's available on the app store).
It's one of those things like a fire extinguisher that you might not need but you are very grateful it's there just in case you ever do.
Tja
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in reply to Bennyboybumberchums • • •Vanilla_PuddinFudge
in reply to rustyredox • • •ScoffingLizard
in reply to Vanilla_PuddinFudge • • •LifeInMultipleChoice
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in reply to LifeInMultipleChoice • • •DeathByBigSad
in reply to LifeInMultipleChoice • • •Look up Australia's whitelisting system.
If you phone isn't manually approved, it won't be able to connect to a cell tower, not even for emergency calls.
0x0
in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •That's wild.
DeathByBigSad
in reply to 0x0 • • •(sources in video description)
If your phone isn't manually approved, its assumed your phone doesn't support 4g/5g, therefore, blocked.
4G/5G phones have already been blocked
Fairphone isn't certified in Australia, Pinephone also isn't, nor Librem 5.
Custom ROMs on an approved phone might work for now, but they could potentially start verifying OS in the future if the autocratization trend continues. Also, manufacturers could starts start locking the bootloader.
The best realistic way forward is have two devices, one is the "normie" phone, the other is your own pocket PC running a Libre OS.
- YouTube
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in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •olympicyes
in reply to Vanilla_PuddinFudge • • •Vanilla_PuddinFudge
in reply to olympicyes • • •the collaborative world works off of demand. Pocket laptops and linux phones have been a nice distraction for long enough. They may soon become more of a saving grace.
I'm not saying you'll be able to run Spyware Simulator 2000 on PostmarketOS. I'm more saying that any secondary device you use for foss software will be more focused upon as an actual decent alternative for getting work done without being spied on by capitalist nazis.
These devices can run web browsers. That's 80% of your needs already taken care of and we haven't even left Firefox.
CARRY TWO PHONES??!!
What will the neighbors think!?
olympicyes
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in reply to Korhaka • • •peoplebeproblems
in reply to rustyredox • • •This defeats the entire purpose of me having android
Like I'm just going to switch to an iPhone now. Not because Apple is any better, but because I have more family with them.
They took away our SD cards, they took away our removable batteries, they took away our headphone jacks. Now they're taking away side loading apps, and that's it. I'm done. The death of android.
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ZILtoid1991
in reply to peoplebeproblems • • •Dremor
in reply to peoplebeproblems • • •Or you can already get one with a Fairphone (which also has SD card slot).
As for the headphone jack, I'm afraid it won't come back. Bluetooth alternatives are far better these days (I got both, so I know from experience), and good adapters (like Apple one) are barely more than $10.
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in reply to Dremor • • •Disputable.
* they are cable-less, thus need to be charged separately
* they are cable-less, thus it is easier to lose them
* bluetooth implementation is a potential security vulnerability
* transmission by radio will always be less energy efficient than transmission by wire
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in reply to raspberriesareyummy • • •I'll give you that, but my bone conduction headset lasts a few days with the amount I use
Meh. I've put corded earbuds in my pocket and probably worn them out faster that way. Bluetooth headsets I tend to leave on (much to my wife's annoyance) and that makes them last longer in my experience.
Aha, that van outside must be tapping into me listening to The Dandy Warhols! I knew it! (In all seriousness, if security is that critical you probably shouldn't be doing whatever it is over WiFi, which is pretty much unavoidable with a phone)
Are we really talking about saving energy here? That's like... Moisture in the bucket levels. Not even a drop in the bucket
Wildmimic
in reply to spongebue • • •I agree with you, even if you are downvoted. I've wrecked more in-ear buds by (non-replaceable) broken cable than i can count, while i'm on my 3rd bluetooth headphone in about 10 years - i lost none of them, and the second one is still around as backup.
The security is a thing that can be patched if it pops up and is only an issue if your OPSEC differs strongly from the common citizen, and the energy argument comes across like a purity test - the light in my fridge probably uses more energy.
I would never go back to cable, especially since noise cancelling doesn't work without a battery anyway - and i am very unhappy without noise cancelling.
Also, i have a power bank where i can use 21600 Li-ion Battery cells as power source (and it doubles as charger for those cells) - on travels i take a few batteries with me, and even if i find myself for weeks without power, i will have it whenever i need it.
Dremor
in reply to raspberriesareyummy • • •If you wish for ANC you'll need a battery anyway, and most people do want ANC these days
I'm loosing my wired headphone far more often, for a simple reason: wireless ones having a battery allows me to make them beep, given they are near, of course.
Sure, and so are wired headphone as they act as an antenna, broadcasting to anyone with an appropriate receptor anything you say and/or hear.
As for the implementation vulnerabilities, at least it can be patched.
Sure, but is it that much of a problem? It would take years (if not decades) of constant listening to even use a dollar of electricity for wireless headphones. Even if you factor the data transmission from the phone into that.
And wired headphone are not energy neutral either. They works by pulling energy from the phone battery.
I prefer the wireless headphones ease of use to headphone I have to untangle every time I want to use them. I keep my wired ones for home uses.
418_im_a_teapot
in reply to raspberriesareyummy • • •GraniteM
in reply to raspberriesareyummy • • •I have two devices, one is my phone, and one only plays music. I only ever use my phone as my phone, and my music device as my music device in my car, and both run over Bluetooth.
It is a crapshoot as to which role my car will assign to which device. Sometimes I have to put my phone in airplane mode so that the car won't try to assign it the media player role in Bluetooth settings. I'm not impressed.
WhyJiffie
in reply to GraniteM • • •Patches
in reply to GraniteM • • •That has a lot more to do with the car itself.
If you ever want to talk about a shit OS...
BeeegScaaawyCripple
in reply to raspberriesareyummy • • •raspberriesareyummy
in reply to BeeegScaaawyCripple • • •merc
in reply to raspberriesareyummy • • •Not a major drawback, IMO.
True, but I haven't lost any in the something like 6 years I've been using them.
What's your threat model? Who's going to be attacking your security via your headphones? What happens if they succeed?
IMO this is a pretty ridiculous drawback, it's like saying "wired headphones are worse because the wire can be used as a garrote", which is true, but not an actual drawback for 99.999% of people.
So what?
IMO the drawbacks of wired headphones are:
The drawbacks for a wireless headset are:
potustheplant
in reply to merc • • •First of all, you're forgetting that the actual problem is that the headphone jack does not require you remove bluetooth from the device. The issue here is giving user less options and more costly "solutions".
Git gud. It's not that hard to roll up the cable so that it doesn't tangle. Worst case scenario, you can buy a small case.
Run the cable through your shirt. Problem solved.
Use headphones with a replaceable wire. That way you can use a cable with or without a mic or use different lentghs. Hell, you can even make your own and they're cheap. Even if the wire isn't easily replaceable, most headphones can be fixed with a bit of patience and a soldering iron.
You're just doing mental gymnastics at this point.
Or you can, I don't know, unplug the headphones for 2 seconds.
Redundant. Also, put your phone in your pocket and stop whinin'.
My man, are you allergic to speakers? You're cooking in a kitchen. Lose the headphones.
Skill issue. Run your wire underneath your jacket and you won't have this """problem""".
merc
in reply to potustheplant • • •New problem created. Now when you want to take your phone out of your pocket to take a picture of something or scan it for an NFT sale you can't do that easily because you have this wire running through your shirt connecting your phone to your headphones. Also, if it's winter, now your phone has to go in an inner pocket not an outer one so you can't easily access it anymore.
And start blasting whatever you're listening to to the whole world? Well, you could pause what you're listening to first. Don't you see how this is much less convenient than wireless headphones where you don't have to make all these compromises?
Ah, accept a less convenient alternative because of the limitations of the wires. Sure, sounds great.
You're cooking in a kitchen. There are loud fans, loud kettles. Why would you use a speaker that you have to turn way up to blast over all that noise? What's wrong with you. Use headphones, you're in a kitchen!
Now you have the other problems with your phone being inside an inner pocket and not easily accessible for doing things like taking pictures or doing NFT transactions. You really haven't thought this through, have you?
Honytawk
in reply to merc • • •Great arguments! ~/s~
Still no reason to not just have both options.
merc
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in reply to foggenbooty • • •foggenbooty
in reply to merc • • •I can't even follow your arguments anymore.
You're the one that implied headphone jacks add cost to phones. I'm saying that they don't, and whatever cost they do add is minuscule. The implication that any cost savings is being passed to you is laughable.
Look, they killed the jack because they could save a couple bucks of design time and get a few cubic millimeters of space, but most importantly they could softly force their users to buy wireless headphones (maybe even the ones they sell and bundle?!). The former outcomes being happy accidents in order push the latter. It's win win for them, and lose for the customer.
They know that their price concious customers are still using wired headphone and unlikely to take them up on their bundle, so they keep including it there. The affluent ones are the ones with cash to burn and little care for this issue. I get you like BT headphones, so do I, but there's simply no good defense for the 3.5mm removal other than shilling.
merc
in reply to foggenbooty • • •They do.
Ok.
It is, but it isn't a major savings. But, it's hard to know because the pricing of phones isn't very transparent.
Yes....
Why would they care?
Amnesigenic
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in reply to merc • • •foggenbooty
in reply to merc • • •You're missing the point again. It's not one or the other. We used to have BOTH. I use BT headphones day to day because I like the convenience, like you. However there plenty of times I wished I had an aux out or forgot my BT buds and wanted to use a pair of headphones I had at the desk.
We deserve BOTH.
potustheplant
in reply to merc • • •Sure you can. Just unplug the headphones.
You're either trolling or you've never used wired headphones. Playback stops automatically when you unplug a wired headphone. It's the same thing when you disconnect a bluetooth headphone.
Wtf? Lol. If you're kitchen is that loud, something's wrong with it.
Yeah, you're either trolling or a very special kind of person.
merc
in reply to potustheplant • • •First you have to stop whatever you're listening to or you start playing it on a speaker for everyone. Doing that is an annoyance that you don't need to put up with if you just use wireless headphones.
Maybe it does today, I don't know, I haven't used wired headphones in many years. Back in the day it didn't.
If you are kitchen is quiet, you really should be using the fan to get the smoke and food smells out of the kitchen. Maybe if you're just making pop-tarts then it isn't a big deal, but if you actually ever do any serious cooking you'll discover that it gets loud.
Why are you so scared of the modern world? Is it that you're too confused by it all? Can't handle touchscreens? Scared by https? It's ok man, just take a course. You'll learn to live in the present, not the past.
potustheplant
in reply to raspberriesareyummy • • •Missed a few things.
olympicyes
in reply to Dremor • • •The Apple adapter is very good. I used one on my Linux machine that had a finicky built in port. Obviously works great on a phone. If you need one in a car at least MagSafe/qi is available now but not ideal.
I don’t love the idea of “removable” batteries being mandated if that means like the batteries in an old flip phone. We needed them then because the capacity was so bad and power banks didn’t exist. I would prefer that manufacturers require them to be third party replaceable instead.
Dremor
in reply to olympicyes • • •olympicyes
in reply to Dremor • • •That’s convenient to swap a battery but I feel like my phone is more likely to get soaked than need a battery swap at any time in the next two years. The FP6 is IP55 rated.
Looks like FP6 battery is £45 and iPhone 14 is £60-£90 depending where you buy it. I know I can get that done in the next hour or two where I live, so I don’t see it as a big deal.
The replaceable camera feature is more compelling because a broken front iPhone camera can effectively brick the device.
Korhaka
in reply to olympicyes • • •My phone is IP68 and you can replace the battery. Does require removing some screws to get the case off but I think that would pretty much be required to waterproof it anyway.
Shame they discontinued Cat phones
Dremor
in reply to olympicyes • • •A replaceable usb-c port is great too. My previous Nokia 8.1 died because of that, and my previous FP5 needed a replacement after 2 years of use.
But I agree that Fairphone have work to do on waterproofing their phones. It was hard with the previous hand removable back panel, but now that they added screws to the back panel, it wouldn't be that much of a a stretch to add some o-rings to further waterproof it. I'm sure they could get it to IP66 rather easily, maybe IP67 with a little more work.
Int32
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in reply to Dremor • • •Kuranashi
in reply to Dremor • • •Resonosity
in reply to Dremor • • •Phones that run Linux and have a headphone jack:
2026 will be the year of the Linux phone!
FLX1 - FuriPhone FLX1 Linux Phone
Furi Labs: Planned Permanencefoggenbooty
in reply to Resonosity • • •dil
in reply to foggenbooty • • •peoplebeproblems
in reply to Resonosity • • •humanspiral
in reply to Resonosity • • •or 2027. Or some Chinese variant of android on Chinese/Taiwan phone that allows sideloading, perhaps with alternate playstore and maps. I don't yet understand how draconian this actually gets implemented, but death of android/google (to me) is possible. If hardware is good enough, then android emulator will be fine for legacy apps.
RampantParanoia2365
in reply to Dremor • • •AndyMFK
in reply to Dremor • • •Bluetooth alternatives aren't better, that's laughable.
You cant buy beyerdynamics DT-990s with Bluetooth, you cant get Sennheiser HD 490 Pros with Bluetooth, you cant buy Audeze LCD-5s with Bluetooth. I could go on and on but you get the point. Good headphones don't use Bluetooth.
The nice headphones a lot of us have had for years, well before the headphone jack was removed don't have Bluetooth.
So when you say they're better 1. You're wrong. And 2. You're missing the point.
If you prefer Bluetooth, fine, but phones with headphone jacks still have Bluetooth. You're only ok with it because it doesn't effect you and I think that's appalling.
Imagine phone manufacturers remove the ability to use Bluetooth headphones and I say "that's fine, wired headphones are better anyway". It's not about that, it's about removing your freedom to choose and it should NOT be tolerated
Archr
in reply to AndyMFK • • •RheumatoidArthritis
in reply to Archr • • •I work in IT and pairing bluetooth is sometimes so finnicky i give up for a few days. I can accept that I'm not that great at IT but I don't think 99% of people don't have these problems.
And it's not a thing you do one time, most of these gadgets need re-pairing every sone time for whatever reason.
Archr
in reply to RheumatoidArthritis • • •Oh I'll agree that sometimes Bluetooth pairing can be finicky.
But the person I replied to was talking about how Bluetooth is not good enough for audiophile quality headphones. But most people don't care and can't even notice the difference.
Dremor
in reply to AndyMFK • • •There are a lot of very good Bluetooth headphones from Bose, Sony, and the like. If you take a look at lab tests, most of lf them got a frequency response pretty close to the ideal curve, and ANC helps a lot to isolate outside noises that would drown out the music on wired headphones.
But I do agree about choice, just not on the blind refusal of using USB-C adapters. That's unfortunate that they removed it, but it has some good reasons. A headphone jack wasn't made to be waterproof, and if some managed to make some of them waterproof-ish, it is often by enclosing it into its own little sub-enclosure, with a good short-circuit protection (because even a tiny water drop in there mean a short), both of which takes place.
Same goes for the DAC, we got so far into miniaturizing it, and inside interferences are so high now with new technologies, it probably wouldn't be viable anymore to have it inside the phone itself. Even larger device, like the Steam Deck, have problems preventing interferences on the headphones jack, so that must be an even bigger problem on something as tinny as a phone 😅
BeeegScaaawyCripple
in reply to Dremor • • •Dremor
in reply to BeeegScaaawyCripple • • •I don't care if it comes for Audeze, Sony, or a Chinese Knockoff, numbers doesn't lie.
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in reply to Dremor • • •Dremor
in reply to BeeegScaaawyCripple • • •Hell no. I'm well aware it is a good audio brand (german I think, but may be mistaken)
What I wanted to say here is that I prefer an objective good quality product, adapted to my needs, to a brand name. Even well known brands sometimes make bad products.
As an example, I have a Sony WH-1000XM3. But if I'd be interested in an XM4, there is no way in hell I'd buy an XM5, because of some shitty choices they took (no more foldable design, forced adaptative ANC). Maybe the XM6 will end up of interest to me, I did not yet check its specs, but considering I recently changed my current XM3 battery, I won't be back on the market until the XM7 or XM8.
lennivelkant
in reply to Dremor • • •lepinkainen
in reply to Dremor • • •They won’t become “removable” like in ye old Nokia days. It’s not like you can carry extra batteries and just swap them on the go.
They just have to be swappable without special tools or specialist equipment.
tibi
in reply to Dremor • • •No, bluetooth is not better. Bluetooth has latency which is bad for anything that needs realtime audio, like video games or any kind of live performance. It also runs on 2.4 like every other electronic Wireless devices making it prone to interference. And it's yet another device to keep charged all the time.
USB C is also inferior because you need dongles which increase complexity of your setup, it's more prone to failures. Like audio cutting off every x minutes because connection is just slightly loose or other electronic gremlins. I'm saying this having just had a gig and the MD's phone we relied on for the metronome started acting up during the performance not recognizing the dongle until a reboot.
Audio jacks were simple, analog, worked perfectly fine and delivered high quality audio. What we have now is overengineered slop that is less reliable and more expensive.
gandalf_der_12te
in reply to Dremor • • •Honytawk
in reply to Dremor • • •So what if Bluetooth are "better"?
Still no reason to not have both.
Lexi Sneptaur
in reply to Dremor • • •DeathByBigSad
in reply to peoplebeproblems • • •Tbf, you can a very cheap android phone for around $100 USD, the cheapest iPhone starts at around ~~$400~~ (edit: Actually I got curious and looked it up, apparantly the iPhone SE is gone and the cheapest new iPhone right now seems to be the 16e which start at $600). Also, Apple developer account cost $99 per year, Google developer account cost $25 one time fee, so the cost is gonna trickle down to the user, sometimes you find free apps on google play and then you look at apple and it cost a few dollars, its most likely due to the recurring costs to maintain a developer account.
Also, Apple doesn't allow torrent clients, You can't use firefox with ublock origin on iOS.
(But then again, these advantages could also go away in a few years... 👀)
boonhet
in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •peoplebeproblems
in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •DeathByBigSad
in reply to peoplebeproblems • • •There is a "firefox" but its just a re-skinned safari basicly, because Apple has some weird requirement of using their "webkit" or whatever, and no extensions allowed on the "firefox". I used an iPhone before (because I was a young adult and iPhones looked shiny) and I was so sad to find out I couldn't use uBlock Origin on it. And then finding out torrent apps are non-existent just made me cry.
Yes they do have "adblockers" like Brave or those Adguard thing on safari, but those are dogshit and they broke like half of the time, and many ads get through anyways, especially on youtube (where as uBlock Origin only break sites like 5% of the time).
FalseTautology
in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •Friend you can buy a much cheaper android phone, which is why I don't really care much about this, though it is still obviously bad. I hate my phone, I hate cellphones in general, they're shitty feature locked mini laptops with a subscription so I can, what, make and receive 12 phonecalls a month? Download half a gb when I'm out of wifi range? Use google maps, the literally only truly useful thing my cellphone does for me?
Anyway, because of my disdain I buy the absolute cheapest cellphone on the market that has no attached plan, once every three or four years. I got a new one last month.
It cost thirty bucks. My monthly unlimited talk and text and data plan comes to about 22$ a month.
It's a piece of shit, obviously. But if all you're doing is begrudgingly using it to make a couple calls, send some texts, scroll Lemmy while you're pooping and occasionally use a map the price is appropriate.
humanoidchaos
in reply to peoplebeproblems • • •Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
I'm glad I stopped expecting logic from you people.
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in reply to Avicenna • • •IOS already does this.
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in reply to Avicenna • • •Avicenna
in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •I added, "if I can't find a linux one that is suitable for my needs". And I mean it, I will spend the time and energy for due research when the time comes to change it. I am a long time linux OS user in my personal computer so I won't shy away from using a phone if the OS feels different to android.
All I am saying is after this consideration, if I am left between iOS and android, I will go iOS because of how blatantly disrespectful google has become of it is base users in the last 5-10 years.
Avicenna
in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •Not really, it is more like saying "I am going to move to another dictatorship". In both cases, lose enough of your "members" and your organisation becomes significantly weaker.
Also iPhone has been quite constant about its motivations and priorities quite from the start (even if did not announce it publicly lol). Android however was a product of a company who started its life with the motto "don't be evil" and is now trying to monopolize the shit out of everything, including its users free time. I am not even sure this can even be classified as a lesser of two evils scenario anymore.
Korhaka
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in reply to rustyredox • • •tal
in reply to Vex_Detrause • • •There are phones that run on other platforms, but the app library and hardware isn't competitive.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_…
You could also move most of what you do to a tablet or laptop if you're willing to carry that, and just use the phone as an Internet access device and for phone calls.
EDIT: Or use a cell modem for data and SIP service for phone service and texts, though then you need to have a device that you'll keep on if you want to get incoming calls when they come in. Cell phones are pretty optimized for low idle power usage.
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in reply to rustyredox • • •You're pissed about it? Visit here: opencollective.com/postmarketO…
IMHO that's our best shot. Totally Google free, mainstream Linux kernel.
postmarketOS - Open Collective
opencollective.comBattle_Masker
in reply to ExLisper • • •ExLisper
in reply to Battle_Masker • • •Here you can see current state: wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Dev…
In theory it will just be another Linux able to run on everything Linux supports + Android hardware. Honestly I don't know if it will ever run on common modern phones but it should at least be possible to run it on more "open" phones like Fairphone or PinePhone.
Devices - postmarketOS Wiki
wiki.postmarketos.orgflop_leash_973
in reply to ExLisper • • •If the above is where we are at still with PostmarketOS, it will be a decade or more before it is anything more than a curiosity. The table stakes of what people, even us tech nerds, expect from a smartphone fit for daily use is so much more than "it can make phones calls and the UI works" it is not even funny.
ExLisper
in reply to flop_leash_973 • • •humanspiral
in reply to ExLisper • • •ExLisper
in reply to humanspiral • • •flop_leash_973
in reply to ExLisper • • •ExLisper
in reply to flop_leash_973 • • •BlameTheAntifa
in reply to ExLisper • • •That’s not how you spell UBports.
I do support the PostmarketOS project, but it has much further to go before it’s friendly enough for regular people. Short of Valve releasing a Steam phone, I think UBports is better positioned to bring genuine linux to mobile.
UBports Installer • Ubuntu Touch • Linux Phone
devices.ubuntu-touch.ioAbidanYre
in reply to BlameTheAntifa • • •BlameTheAntifa
in reply to AbidanYre • • •No, it’s currently on 24.
The version number with “OTA-#” at the end is the “over the air” updater.
viking
in reply to BlameTheAntifa • • •BlameTheAntifa
in reply to viking • • •phx
in reply to BlameTheAntifa • • •Yeah I agree. I've used PMOS as well as Lineage and Graphene.
The latter was the best experience and PMOS was the one that needed the most work, at least to reach any sort of side adoption.
I'm actually looking at something running SailfishOS as my potential happy mid-point, but currently the Jolla phone - which would be my preferred device for this - doesn't seem to shop outside Europe yet.
ExLisper
in reply to BlameTheAntifa • • •No one here is talking about regular people. Regular people will keep using stock Android.
UBports still relies on Android kernel and services. Custom ROMs are such a small part of the Android ecosystem that I didn't think Google will go after them yet they did. Can we be sure in a couple of years they will not try to destroy Android based distros like UBports?
I also don't really like the entire idea behind UBports. It's so heavily modified you can't even easily run native Linux apps so you're limited to Ubuntu Touch apps. As a developer I'm not really interested in learning completely new framework that supports only one platform. We have solutions to create cross platform Linux-Android apps so I can move my apps from Android phone to PostmarketOS without any work, they already work there.
So I'm supporting PostmarketOS and I really hope it will be usable when my Pixel phone dies. If not I will switch to something Halium based. What else is there to do?
Revan343
in reply to rustyredox • • •Does anyone know anything about Furi Labs phones? I saw a comment about them on another post about Android alternatives midwest.social/comment/1956866…
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in reply to Revan343 • • •Gammelfisch
in reply to rustyredox • • •DeathByBigSad
in reply to Gammelfisch • • •It used to be a pocket computer, now its just a mini-prison-cell.
If anyone is using currently using a flagship phone, when your phone dies and you need a replacement: consider just getting a cheap $100 android phone then spend the rest of the money you would've spent on a flagship on a portable PC instead
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in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •This is the route I went years ago. Not only do i not feel like lugging around an obnoxiously long buttonless 1kg remote control, within two months the display will be shattered because I sneezed, and I will have to buy a new one because replacing the screen costs as much as a new phone.
I know they do that shit by design. Why would the back side of the phone need to be made of fucking glass? It's literally the only reason I ever buy new phones, the screen is the only thing that ever breaks, and they never survive long enough to be "too old" to use.
Gammelfisch
in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •chonglibloodsport
in reply to rustyredox • • •Y|yukichigai
in reply to rustyredox • • •Zink
in reply to rustyredox • • •I think I am just done with the whole concept of the convenient prepackaged tech product, and especially staying "connected" with them.
For example, I stopped wearing a smart watch this summer and it's been a positive. I was the type to wear it 23 hours a day and track my sleep with it and everything. It turns out that not instantly seeing every notification or knowing the exact minute of the day are not a big deal, sans are even good for me.
Part of what I've also done is use my phone a lot less and my linux desktop a lot more. I use it as a mobile communication device and not my computer for everything. I guess the next time I need to replace it I'll either get an iphone since everybody in my family has one, or I'll see where these wonderful Linux phone projects end up.
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in reply to Zink • • •Zink
in reply to viking • • •In all fairness to smart watches, mine is what turned me on to regularly checking the UV index. That's an important thing for all people, but especially me because I have an increased skin cancer risk due to unrelated medical stuff. And it was extra-extra important this year because I have done a ton of good work outside this summer.
And to be more specific about my watch situation, there's more going on than just avoiding notifications. I have been minimizing the amount of stuff I keep on my person in general, right down to finally getting my wedding ring tattooed on this year. There are various reasons ranging from abstract introspective life improvement stuff to the practical where that outside work I mentioned was constant and pretty rough on anything on my hands/arms.
So even if I wore a nice mechanical watch, I'd probably still be going with the double bare wrists right now.
Ilandar
in reply to Zink • • •Can't you just do that on your phone? Surely if the UV is high, you just plan accordingly for the day? Sunscreen, wide brim hat, stick to the shade where possible, etc. I can't imagine what benefit constantly checking the UV on your watch gives you. Even if it did happen to fluctuate for some reason, you would be wasting so much time constantly ducking in and out depending on what your watch says at any given moment.
Zink
in reply to Ilandar • • •Yeah you are absolutely right. I do just check it on my phone or PC now.
But having it constantly visible for the months or years I had it on my watch face etched the habit into my ADHD brain. It also gave me a feel for how weather and time of day affect it. But not in a way where I try to vibe measure the UV index. It reminds me to check the weather data. 😀
xep
in reply to Zink • • •RedFrank24
in reply to rustyredox • • •Lost_My_Mind
in reply to RedFrank24 • • •The only answer is money at that point. I don't know how much phones are these days, but aren't iPhones like $1400, but Android is like $900?
I may be wrong though. Last time I bought a phone was 2018, and it was $600. Still using it.
RedFrank24
in reply to Lost_My_Mind • • •viking
in reply to Lost_My_Mind • • •Lost_My_Mind
in reply to viking • • •willington
in reply to Lost_My_Mind • • •You probably didn't do it on purpose, but you made a comparison on Apple's terms, thus implicitly priveleging Apple.
Last thing Apple needs is us priveleging it.
Lost_My_Mind
in reply to willington • • •I'm just saying Apple doesn't make anything close to a cheap stripped down $200 model.
I made the comparison based on feature set. For that you need an android flagship phone. Android DOES make cheap phones....but therexs no 1:1 comparison for Apple.
Ilandar
in reply to Lost_My_Mind • • •Yes, I think that's exactly the point people are trying to make to you.
gandalf_der_12te
in reply to Lost_My_Mind • • •humanspiral
in reply to RedFrank24 • • •siftmama
in reply to humanspiral • • •lepinkainen
in reply to siftmama • • •batshit
in reply to lepinkainen • • •Apple A18 Pro vs Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Elite: What is the difference?
Versusmonogram
in reply to siftmama • • •humanspiral
in reply to siftmama • • •DeathByBigSad
in reply to RedFrank24 • • •Because the cheapest new iPhone is $600 and you can get a cheap new android phone for around $100-$200 and get 6 years of security updates (Galaxy A16 for example)
If a smartphone is no longer a computer where you can install whatever you want, why bother investing so much money on a very locked-down phone? You can use the hundred of dollars you saved to spend on a small portable PC or something to run any software you want.
Psythik
in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •DeathByBigSad
in reply to Psythik • • •A $200 phone in 2015 is not the same as a $200 phone in 2025. I know from experience.
Those phones in 2015 were awful, but in 2025, they feel more like mid-range phones.
Edit: And $600 is pocket change? Sound like someone lived a privilaged life.
Zen_Shinobi
in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •This 100%
I have used tracfone since 2012 and only bought phones from their store, sub $150. The budget phones today are so much better than the last 10 years.
I just can't wrap my head around sinking that much into a phone when you replace it every year and it cost as much as a decent budget computer, but worse.
Ilandar
in reply to Zen_Shinobi • • •Usually the people who replace their flagship phone every 1 - 2 years aren't paying full price for it, or at least not upfront. They are receiving trade-in and pre-order discounts, or spreading the cost out over a 12 - 24 month period through a plan with their telco.
xthexder
in reply to Ilandar • • •I used my last phone for about 4 years. At that point the battery life was getting worse, and the coating to prevent smudges and make your finger slide easily had worn off in the middle. Even then it's still perfectly usable, I just wanted an upgrade and to get away from Samsung.
I don't understand the people that upgrade every year or two. In the last 5 years basically the only new development has been higher refresh rate displays and faker looking (more processed) camera images...
Ilandar
in reply to xthexder • • •xthexder
in reply to Ilandar • • •Honytawk
in reply to Zen_Shinobi • • •People who upgrade every year sell their old one at >50% the price.
So they don't fork over €600, they only do €250 or so.
Psythik
in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •Ilandar
in reply to Psythik • • •RedFrank24
in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •willington
in reply to RedFrank24 • • •Openness isn't just a nice to have. It is essential.
The difference between general purpose computing and gatekept walled garden computing is night and day.
Identifying the devs is not in the "need to know" for Google. Google sells or helps to sell a general purpose open device where it is on us to exploit that device however we will.
Now Google wants to switch to a walled garden, moderated development model.
If Google promises it won't use those dev IDs to moderate development, their promise is only worth the wind it moves and the sound it makes.
rasakaf679
in reply to willington • • •monogram
in reply to willington • • •Apple Revokes EU Distribution Rights for Torrent Client, Developer Left in the Dark * TorrentFreak
Ernesto Van der Sar (TF Publishing)gandalf_der_12te
in reply to willington • • •now while at first view, your sentiment is understandable, i actually kinda differ.
when you buy any product at any store, i believe that there has to be a legal entity behind the store that sells you this product, and the legal entity needs to be identifiable. i.e. if you run a shop and give packages to people, you need to show ID to open up that shop. i believe it is the same for charity organizations which give away packages for free.
now, why would it be different for apps? apps are software packages, and if they're given away, there should be a legal entity behind it that is identifiable. this isn't to surveil or suppress people, it's just how business has always been done, and for good reason so. businesses need legal representatives to operate, even if it's a charity, because otherwise there's nobody to "talk to" when there's issues, and also imposters would have an easy game.
that doesn't mean that you can't donate packages away on the streets. just put it in front of your front door and wait until somebody passes by and takes it, or give it directly into the hands of your friends, you don't need to open a business for that. just, if you do it regularly, interacting with people you don't personally know, there is a legal entity that represents that recurring activity, like a business or charity.
If i understand it correctly, even with the new changes, what can be done is that open software distribution sites like F-Droid can sign the packages instead of the original developers and therefore circumvent the identification of the original developers, and also you can still install unsigned third-party apps if you enter a command on the command line to disable ID certificate checking. it's just an extra step, not a block-all.
MrSqueezles
in reply to RedFrank24 • • •This change requires you to attach your real name when publishing software. That's all. You can still publish to and install packages from anywhere. This doesn't come close to Apple's complete control.
Google already scans packages you're installing for malware and alerts you and allows you to install them anyway. This gives that scanner one more tool to identify bad actors.
LordCrom
in reply to rustyredox • • •tal
in reply to LordCrom • • •I haven't watched the video --- I would generally rather have text form content --- but if Rossman is announcing the same thing that I just read about elsewhere, it's not a removal of sideloading. It requires that a developer register and provide Google with personal information for Google to let them create packages. Assuming that Google is willing to let the F-Droid developers register an account (which I assume they have) and sign the F-Droid package, it should not restrict installation of the F-Droid package.
However, you wouldn't be able to use F-Droid to install any packages that didn't conform to Google's new requirements.
I doubt that the restriction is at the store app level, but at the package installation level. That is, I would expect that the F-Droid or Google's store app or whatever says "install this package" and the OS refuses.
developer.android.com/develope…
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Android DevelopersSaharaMaleikuhm
in reply to LordCrom • • •tomiant
in reply to SaharaMaleikuhm • • •None of those have worked for me on Android since a couple of months.
Firefox with uBlock Origin is the last bastion, and don't think that's not on their radar.
DeathByBigSad
in reply to tomiant • • •That Weird Vegan
in reply to SaharaMaleikuhm • • •tomiant
in reply to LordCrom • • •lepinkainen
in reply to tomiant • • •They don’t care about those.
They want revanced and other ad circumvention tools out.
They ARE an ad company, you know?
eleitl
in reply to LordCrom • • •Petr Janda
in reply to rustyredox • • •dubyakay
in reply to Petr Janda • • •Ecco the dolphin
in reply to Petr Janda • • •As a user, you should be upset that a private company is controlling how you are allowed to use your device that you paid for with your money.
This would be like if Microsoft decided you could only run Microsoft-approved code on a computer you purchased, in some cases with a locked bootloader so you can't even change your OS.
Also, Google is (imho) already operating unethically when it comes to the app store (See Google v. Epic). I don't care about Fortnite, but Google really shouldn't be able to take a cut of random services just because it's running on Android.
Epic v. Google: everything we learned in Fortnite court
Verge Staff (The Verge)Petr Janda
in reply to Ecco the dolphin • • •Ecco the dolphin
in reply to Petr Janda • • •I think that other guy's comment about the ICE tracker app really highlights the most important problem: If only signed apps can run, governments can pressure companies to remove access to certain apps. Even if Google allowed posting the app, the author would have to de-anonymize himself, and Google would have to comply with the law if they were subpoenaed. They would definitely give up the author's name. It is an issue of freedom, freedom of speech, freedom to do with your device what you choose to do with it. You might not have a use for it (right now) but it's not necessarily something you'd want to give up.
And, honestly, I would personally be affected by this, eventually. I use an app called NewPipe to watch youtube. It already isn't available on the app store (violates google's ToS), and I doubt they'd let people install this even if the author properly identified themselves, because I use it to avoid watching adds and to be able to "subscribe" to channels without an account. I could just borrow my husband's premium subscription, I guess, but I really only use NewPipe to watch certain things, and it lacks the algorithmically driven feed (which I am actively avoiding, Google tends to suggest things that make you angry for clicks).
Petr Janda
in reply to Ecco the dolphin • • •Ecco the dolphin
in reply to Petr Janda • • •I don't want to drag this conversation into American politics, but I will say ICE has been doing things against USA law. Things are not great here. Even noncitizens have rights that need to be respected, and ICE is failing to do that. They have also arrested lawful residents, citizens too, in their sweeps.
The ICE tracker app is a protest app/ direct action sort of thing, not a tool for criminality. Surely you can see the value of being able to use technology to resist a tyrannical government?
By the way, do you want the USA government to potentially control which software can be installed on your phone? Google is an American company. USA courts could decide (international company) is violating (American IP law or something else) and instruct Google to disallow their app from being installed entirely.
They can pull apps off the app store now, and they do that, but currently you can still side load stuff.
Petr Janda
in reply to Ecco the dolphin • • •If the ICE app is breaking the law, and ICE itself is breaking the law, two wrongs don't make 1 right. There are legal ways to protest.
Like I said, earlier if you aren't breaking the law then if someone asks you to ID yourself
, what's your fear? Loss of privacy?
You can't use privacy to hide the act of breaking a law.
Unless you're a developer it doesn't affect you anyway, you can still sideload apps. You just can't use a public highway like the internet to break the law and expect nothing to happen. I know it's not what any of you want to hear.
Ecco the dolphin
in reply to Petr Janda • • •Tbh I'm not even sure the app is breaking any laws at all. Reporting on the presence of law enforcement is (not always but sometimes) protected speech here. I don't use the app, and I haven't heard that they are trying to arrest anyone in regards to it.
Honestly though... Have you thought through everything you're saying? Sheltering Jewish people during the holocaust was illegal in Germany.
Anyway, have a nice day, those are my thoughts.
Petr Janda
in reply to Ecco the dolphin • • •AndyMFK
in reply to Petr Janda • • •You don't have a problem with Google dictating what you can and cannot do on your own phone? Seriously?
What's the benefit of that?
Petr Janda
in reply to AndyMFK • • •I guess I was brought up believing that if you do nothing wrong, theres no point hiding your identity.
I'm fine knowing the person who wrote the code of the app that I am about to install has had courage to identify themselves.
AndyMFK
in reply to Petr Janda • • •That's interesting, where did you grow up? I grew up believing everybody had the right to privacy. And to not provide your identity to strangers on the internet
It's like gay marriage. If you don't want to do it, you don't have to. But don't support restricting the freedom of others because it won't effect you
Petr Janda
in reply to AndyMFK • • •AndyMFK
in reply to Petr Janda • • •You need an ID for those activities because it is required by law. Apples and oranges. Your argument is a logical fallacy of false equivalency.
A government dictating what you can and cannot do by law is a completely different thing than some random company telling you what you can and can't do with a device you own.
And again, if you're uncomfortable with that - then you still have the option of only downloading apps via the play store where identities are already verified.
So again, it's the gay marriage argument - do you support the freedom of others to do something you may not want to do? Or would you rather restrict others freedom when it doesn't effect you? If it's the latter, then I think you're an objectively bad person.
Petr Janda
in reply to AndyMFK • • •AndyMFK
in reply to Petr Janda • • •We're just not gonna see eye to eye on this.
I want privacy and freedom. You want Google to dictate what apps you can use even though it doesn't effect you.
You don't give a shit about people who rely on apps that aren't from the play store. You cant seem to understand why it's bad because it won't effect you. It's selfish
Petr Janda
in reply to AndyMFK • • •SaharaMaleikuhm
in reply to Petr Janda • • •XNX
in reply to rustyredox • • •DeathByBigSad
in reply to XNX • • •They are converging to become the same thing.
Its not any better on iOS, fyi, they too require Apple's final approval.
XNX
in reply to DeathByBigSad • • •Psythik
in reply to XNX • • •willington
in reply to Psythik • • •Jesus, how the heck is this called "sideloading is so easy on an iPhone"?
That's a nightmare procedure, and completely unnecessary.
Obviously Apple makes sideloading as hard as possible.
XNX
in reply to Psythik • • •Ilandar
in reply to XNX • • •Is it easy? Apple has only made that change in the EU AFAIK, it's still a closed system all around the world.
XNX
in reply to Ilandar • • •Ilandar
in reply to XNX • • •humanspiral
in reply to rustyredox • • •tomiant
in reply to humanspiral • • •You can research a phone you like and check if it has an unlockable bootloader, root it, and install something like LineageOS on it. It's fairly straight-forward, not super technically demanding, but it does require some tinkering and time setting up.
xdaforums.com is where the rooting kids hang out, post guides for specific models, upload images et c, you can probably do it in an afternoon with GPT.
The issue is that some apps, notably banking and official type apps, usually don't work as they rely on google services for operation. I solve it by having a cheap secondary phone that I only use for that stuff.
Oh, I almost forgot: FUCK YOU GOOGLE
BeeegScaaawyCripple
in reply to rustyredox • • •tomiant
in reply to BeeegScaaawyCripple • • •SuperSpruce
in reply to rustyredox • • •nutsack
in reply to SuperSpruce • • •yes. from what I understand, you will get a developer key from Google, and then you will sign your APK with your key.
you'll still be able to sideload apps that have been signed with developer keys. the main point here is that Google is forcing the developer to identify themselves.
Dr. Moose
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in reply to Dr. Moose • • •essteeyou
in reply to Dr. Moose • • •Dr. Moose
in reply to essteeyou • • •SuperSpruce
in reply to Dr. Moose • • •Dr. Moose
in reply to SuperSpruce • • •progandy
in reply to SuperSpruce • • •Tollana1234567
in reply to rustyredox • • •upside431
in reply to rustyredox • • •elephantium
in reply to rustyredox • • •Valmond
in reply to elephantium • • •Same here, got a recent (so not completely new) Xiaomi 13T Pro. Very little crap on it and it has impressive specs like 16GB RAM, 1TB storage and a very good Leica camera.
I'd love putting Linux on it one day, the specs are almost as good as my main PC lol.
joel_feila
in reply to rustyredox • • •Sightline
in reply to joel_feila • • •eleitl
in reply to joel_feila • • •I expect however that Google will disable bootloader unlocking on future Pixel hardware.
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in reply to rasakaf679 • • •And for the same reason you cannot install on a rooted phone (or at least, you should not be able to do it)
overload
in reply to rustyredox • • •cabillaud
in reply to overload • • •nutsack
in reply to overload • • •MP3Martin
in reply to nutsack • • •nutsack
in reply to MP3Martin • • •im guessing the two possibilities are:
1. the developer signs the apk with their developer key
2. the user compiles an apk from the source code and signs it with their developer key
someone correct me if im wrong
Singletona082
in reply to rustyredox • • •Apple now allows sideloading of apps and Google is trying to get rid of sideloading.
What... the Fuck?
lepinkainen
in reply to Singletona082 • • •eleitl
in reply to lepinkainen • • •stormeuh
in reply to eleitl • • •greenacres3233
in reply to eleitl • • •simsalabim
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in reply to simsalabim • • •Wordmark
in reply to simsalabim • • •webghost0101
in reply to eleitl • • •Gonna have to elaborate on this because the European union has both good and bad people pulling strings.
If this is about chatcontrol. Scary as it is that the idea keeps coming back it has also always gotten shot down.
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in reply to webghost0101 • • •them bringing it up again and again is a very significant problem. Imagine you're spending time with a girl and asking her to have sex with you. She says "no", and you simply keep asking her daily until she says "yes" once, probably because she's just not paying attention to your actual question on that day. Such a behavior would be recognized by most people as being improper, immoral and not in the spirit of "consent".
Now, the same is happening on the EU. They keep asking the same question after they already got an explicit answer, and such a behavior should be illegal by itself. No means No.
Luffy
in reply to Singletona082 • • •Apple allows as much sideloading as google wants to next near.
Yes, you can install from .iPa files, but you still need to pay 100€ a year to be able to sign the IPA files, otherwise you cant run them. as much as with googles new policy you now need to pay 25€ + your full name to get a signature, to sign the Apks with
monogram
in reply to Luffy • • •Mwa
in reply to Singletona082 • • •afaik only in the EU?
MisterD
in reply to Singletona082 • • •Gumus
in reply to Singletona082 • • •squaresinger
in reply to Singletona082 • • •PieMePlenty
in reply to rustyredox • • •> be me
> buy new phone, chose android cause I can install anything on it
> get free iphone from work
> sell iphone on ebay cause I can install anything I want on my android
> google doesnt want me to install anything I want
Fuck me. I kept the wrong phone.
Luffy
in reply to PieMePlenty • • •gandalf_der_12te
in reply to Luffy • • •Luffy
in reply to gandalf_der_12te • • •squaresinger
in reply to PieMePlenty • • •Ilandar
in reply to rustyredox • • •H0neyc0mb
in reply to Ilandar • • •Ilandar
in reply to H0neyc0mb • • •possumparty
in reply to Ilandar • • •AeonFelis
in reply to possumparty • • •If you are American, you should buy Chinese tech because the Chinese government is more interested in spying on and controlling its own people than you.
If you are Chinese, you should buy American tech because the American government is more interested in spying on and controlling its own people than you.
Alcoholicorn
in reply to AeonFelis • • •eleitl
in reply to Alcoholicorn • • •Alcoholicorn
in reply to eleitl • • •DeathByBigSad
in reply to Alcoholicorn • • •Lmfao I just saw that video on reddit, it was so bizarre
AeonFelis
in reply to Alcoholicorn • • •Alcoholicorn
in reply to AeonFelis • • •DeathByBigSad
in reply to AeonFelis • • •zeca
in reply to AeonFelis • • •nekbardrun
in reply to zeca • • •not disagreeing in any way, but just sharing reputable sources on that statement before anyone says it is a "conspiracy":
bbc.com/news/world-latin-ameri…
aljazeera.com/news/2015/7/5/us…
Also, given that we are almost 10 years afte this article, I'm pretty sure any sane person (by that I mean someone who is not bolsonarist) can see where the (predictive) article agrees or disagrees with reality (past brazilian news and even memory of events):
themillenniumreport.com/2016/0…
US ‘spied on Brazilian president and top officials’
Al JazeeraDeathByBigSad
in reply to possumparty • • •You trust China more? The State-Capitalist Authoritarian regime? They country that developed the spyware known as Wechat, which is currently monitoring most of the overseas Chinese Diaspora? LMFAO. Spoken like a westerner who never stepped foot on mainland China.
Why are people always being campist lol. Just because you think "your side" is is bad, doesn't mean you should just blindly support the "other side".
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benjaminb
in reply to Ilandar • • •The last thing I remember is it being a huge pain in the butt...
Ilandar
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in reply to Ilandar • • •Cenzorrll
in reply to wetbeardhairs • • •All of my old phones work fine as the last time they were updated. My 10 year old Sony xperia z3c would be fine except for security updates and it's only 3g, and the storage on it is quite measly. I still use it everyday for playing music, though.
Most of the speed issues are google bloat. Play services are absolute hogs, and anything that needs them will not work on this phone, but everything that doesn't is perfectly fine. So I'm basically stuck with f-droid apps. Which is fine, because it's a glorified iPod at this point
frozenpopsicle
in reply to rustyredox • • •I bought a Pixel recently and for 2 days I tried to make it work. 2 whole days of fumbling pain! And I felt fucking horrible. Almost nothing is customizable and everything coated in a thick layer of AI. Every google app has dark patterns. Don't like it? Well too bad, apps like goog photos keep on asking if you want to upload your life with a recurring popup that tries to trick you. Don't want Google Search Bar? Well... you don't get to say no bitch, don't make me hurt you. It is not a healthy relationship.
So. I just took the plunge and flashed GrapheneOS. Graphene will take a bit of work getting replacements for some of my needed apps like mail and map. But there are lots of neat options and I'm having fun with it. Problem fixed.
I used the graphene web install. I booted up my Pi 4B+ and used gnome-disks to flash a MicroSD with Ubuntu 24.10 then installed the two packages in the web install instructions then I got Brave (I went to the Brave homepage and they have some curl option to download. I needed to install curl, did that then got Brave installed. Once brave is installed you have to disable browser fingerprinting memory reduction and disable the "brave shield" (the little shield near the address bar) for the web installer GrapheneOS page. (It's a fresh install, on a Pi, and I know the site, no real risk)
After this you can just press the big buttons on the page and follow the instructions on the page.
There are many ways to do this. They have lists of compatible browsers and operating systems. I picked (eww) Ubuntu and (eww) Brave because they seemed easiest on the list and I did not virtualize or use containers in any way cause it messes up the webUSB magic the website uses. I like to play it safe as possible when firmware is involved so I didnt speed up the instructions. And also when you buy a Pixel, big thing! Turn on dev tools and toggle your oem bootloader setting off and on again. If it can't do that you need to return the phone because it's locked down by carrier.
Well... I hope my long sleep deprived ramblings help someone else break their chains. Read a bunch about it before starting! Good Luck!
ook
in reply to frozenpopsicle • • •I mean, good on you to go for Graphene, but honestly a lot of stuff you describe is solved with a custom launcher. Search bar and customizability for example. I use KISS launcher on my private phone (Pixel 7) and on my work phone (Pixel 9), no issues with either of these topics.
The one thing I wholeheartedly agree with though is the cancer that is Google Photos and the peddling of backing up stuff.
eleitl
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in reply to HeavyRaptor • • •~~DMA is only partly for choice.~~ Sorry, different act, but same group (EU). But the rest pretty much stands the same, the EU won't see it as malicious compliance, but as a great design choice.
commission.europa.eu/strategy-…
This is also huge part of it about being able to “prevent illegal” content.
“easier reporting of illegal content”
“less exposure to illegal content”
“level-playing field against providers of illegal content”
This will help give paper trails for everything, and that allows for easy reporting which is the bigger part of the DMA.
The EU’s Digital Services Act
European Commissionook
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in reply to rustyredox • • •arc99
in reply to tias • • •Code signing offers slight protection from malware but not as you might think. If a company signs an installer, or executable then it tells you it came from them but not what it does. It could still be malicious, or it could be inadvertently bundled with malware in DLLs or scripts and you wouldn't know. You're just hoping the company has done its due diligence and you trust them to run.
Microsoft does have an antivirus system on top and fingerprints downloads too and applies some kind of trust score that is better if an exe is signed. There is probably no single mitigation that stops malware infection but apply lots of smaller mitigations in in depth and most people will be safe.
The irony is Microsoft still lets people run files ending with .scr way too easily. Much of the malware on torrent websites is a file ending with .scr knowing the OS will hide the extension, e.g. movie.mp4.scr appears as movie.mp4 in File Explorer and people click through and get infected.
tias
in reply to arc99 • • •interdimensionalmeme
in reply to tias • • •So that in time, google's "unwanted" software will be starved of attention and funds to continue being developped and these "weeds" in their garden slowly wither and die
Alcoholicorn
in reply to rustyredox • • •Raptorox
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in reply to rustyredox • • •Gemini24601
in reply to rustyredox • • •REDACTED
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in reply to Gemini24601 • • •Just an idea, im not doing this, nor do i know how practical it actually is.
devedeset
in reply to Gemini24601 • • •JeremyHuntQW12
in reply to Gemini24601 • • •You can't sideload in Linux.
"All" you need to do is reflash your phone and reinstall Android/Chromium (soon to be renamed Android).
Since you are not a certified supplier, the checking is not activated.
On Chromebooks the setting will be on, since they are used in schools, but since it has a terminal you can remove the block, it won't be simple, probably terminal commands and changing configuration files, but it won't be impossible.
F_OFF_Reddit
in reply to rustyredox • • •So yeah we'll do a decentralized Linux phone of sorts, if Google is going full 3rd Reich with Android we'll move to a Linux based OS phone.
Simple as that.
jmf
in reply to F_OFF_Reddit • • •whaleross
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in reply to jmf • • •seralth
in reply to whaleross • • •You forgot your /s
Expecting sarcasm to be understood in text is dumb. Too many dipshits exist to assume people arnt serious
cardfire
in reply to seralth • • •adage of Internet culture that, without a clear indicator of intent, one can’t parody extreme views such that some can’t mistake it for a sincere expression of the parodied views
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)whaleross
in reply to seralth • • •I wouldn't call it dumb but maybe expecting too much from people now that convenience and hand holding is expected at all times.
*Canned laughter that fades into awkward reflective silence.*
cardfire
in reply to F_OFF_Reddit • • •Dude. On what hardware?
My 1 years old AND 4 years old Samsung phones now lock their bootloader.
Random, fly by night China phones won't have enough documentation or enough consistency in hardware to be a viable rally point for firmware devs, will they?
Don't get me wrong. I will buy exactly that Linux Phone for my next device if it gives me three browsers and enough untracked fundamental functionality like calculators and contact lists.
But I'm genuinely worried there won't be a hardware vendor in the game in my market (the land of Y'allQaeda) to sell me a compatible device that plays nice with the three mobile providers that still exist here.
MystikIncarnate
in reply to rustyredox • • •This is the risk of "trusted computing" architectures. Who is governing the "trusted" part of that.
These cryptographic signatures are not as much of a death knell for Android as some would have you believe. The trick is to get a common code signing cert into your device, that is then used to sign any third party APK you want to run. You can avoid the Google tax this way. I assume that's how most sideloading sites and apps are going to handle this.
The question is, how do you add that certificate? Is it easy and straight forward (with plenty of scary warnings), as a user? Or is it going to be a developer options deal? Or will I need root to add the cert?
I'm not sure what that answer is right now.
I just want to finish this post with a few words about trusted computing models. Plainly: Apple has been doing this for years ... That's why you download basically everything from an app store with Apple. Whether on your Mac OS device, your iPhone, iPad or whatever iDevice.... Whether the devs need to sign it, or the app gets signed when it lands on the store, there's a signature to ensure that the app hasn't been tampered with and that Apple has given the app it's security blessings, that it is safe to run. Microsoft and Google have both been climbing towards the same forever. Apple embedded their root of trust in their own proprietary TPM which has been included with every Mac, and iDevice for a long ass time. Google also has a TPM, the Titan security module, I believe that was introduced around pixel 3? Or 4?... Microsoft made huge waves requiring it for Windows 11, and we all know what that discussion looks like. Apple requires a TPM (which they supply, so nobody noticed), Google has been adding a TPM and TPM functionality to their phones for years, and now Windows is the same. None of this is a bad thing. Trusted computing can eliminate much of the need for antivirus software, among other things. I digress. We've been going this way for a long time. Google is just more or less, doing what Apple has already done, and what Microsoft will very likely do very soon, making it a requirement. Battlefield 6 I think, was one of the first to require trusted computing on Windows and it will, for damned sure, not be the last that does. The only real hurdle here is managing what is trusted. So far, each vendor has kept the keys to their own kingdoms, but this is contrary to computing concepts. Like the Internet, it should be able to be done without needing trust from a specific provider. That's how SSL works, that's how the Internet works, that's how trusted computing should work. The only thing that should be secret is the private signing keys. What Google, Apple, and Microsoft should be doing, is issuing intermediary keys that can sign code signing certs. So trusted institutions that create apps, like... Idk, valve as an example, can create a signature key for steam and sign Steam with it, so the trust goes from MS root to intermediary key for valve, to steam code signing key, and suddenly you have an app that's trusted. Valve can then use their key to sign software on their store that may not have a coffee signing key of it's own. This is just one example based on Windows. And above all of this, the user should be able to import a trusted code signing cert, or an intermediary cert signing cert, to their service as trusted.
Anyways, thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
cardfire
in reply to MystikIncarnate • • •Thanks for sharing all of that. I got to think a little bit about stuff that normally I would take for granted.
Meanwhile...
Apple pulls iPhone torrent app from AltStore PAL in Europe
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in reply to bus_factor • • •I don't have an iPhone to test, but google is showing mixed results so I can't confirm.
However, Ive been on android for about 20 years, never owned an iPhone, always android. I'd ditch it just for blocking it as a point.
bus_factor
in reply to thermal_shock • • •MrSqueezles
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in reply to MrSqueezles • • •You can side load on iphone. I can't verify since I don't have an iPhone, but I'm seeing mixed posts online.
Either way, I'd change on the fact they're disabling going forward just as a parting middle finger.
Dudeness Boy
in reply to rustyredox • • •JeremyHuntQW12
in reply to Dudeness Boy • • •Its only recently that most Android phone owners even used the internet features, now you need apps just to park your car.
There's nothing stopping someone from having you install malware from a pirate QR code someone puts over the proper sticker.
kcuf
in reply to JeremyHuntQW12 • • •Reviever
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in reply to Dudeness Boy • • •Where else are we going to go?
Apple pulls iPhone torrent app from AltStore PAL in Europe
Jess Weatherbed (The Verge)pfr
in reply to rustyredox • • •I just hope that the Graphene devs continue to support the last supported versions of Android that allow installing apks.
I couldn't be happier with my P7 that has been running Graphene since day one. Zero Google. Zero problems
frozenpopsicle
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in reply to Enzy • • •What do you mean ? There is ubuntu touch working in some phone.
I saw that there is some improvements, for the fair phone 5 it seems that it is working but no dual Sim possible and LTE phone calls.
You can check it out for your model on this site :
devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
Ubuntu Touch • Linux Phone
devices.ubuntu-touch.iosquaresinger
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in reply to Enzy • • •Pedantically true, but practically irrelevant statement.
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in reply to rustyredox • • •yarr
in reply to rustyredox • • •The openness of Android is the thing that kept me on the platform. Now that the openness is being removed, iOS is now more appealing.
Sadly, I think most of the customers that use Android never sideload a single app at all. I don't expect this to create a mass exodus, but a smaller one with power users.
mahmut
in reply to rustyredox • • •I didn't get it. EU pushes Apple for sideloading option. Android will come with embedded Linux terminal support and you can even run native Linux apps on your Android phone with Android 15.
I guess some C-Level assholes forcing this change in Google but this does not make any sense...
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