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In case you missed it, Bluesky is apparently caving to an authoritarian government:

➡️ mas.to/@osma/11434616689055247…

This is why the Fediverse is so important: each Fedi server is totally independent, servers communicate directly with each other, anyone can set up a server anywhere.

Bluesky posts all flow through Bluesky's own corporate relay which is impossible to bypass, making censorship easy.

:Fediverse: No one controls the Fediverse

🦋 Bluesky is controlled by a US-based for-profit corporation

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Fedi.Tips 🎄

@ksaj

For-profit corporations generally try to because they don't want to lose market share (though they may lobby to change laws of course). That's why online services from large corporations may vary a lot depending on where you are accessing them from.

Independent servers aren't worried about market share.

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in reply to Fedi.Tips 🎄

I have seen other reports that it is the Turkish gvmt shutting down servers that BlueSky was using. Not BlueSky doing the censoring.
I do not know which is more correct.
in reply to Fedi.Tips 🎄

It's rhe guys who ran Twitter before Musk. They shadow banned anyone who spoke out against how the Chinese Government destroyed Hong Kong's democratic system.

Are you shocked they would cave to another Authoritarian Regime?

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@Fedi.Tips

I know Erdogan government is much closer to a dictatorship than a democracy, I don't like Bluesky and never had an account on it and I'm a fediversian (just invented... it's an inhabitant of the Fediverse 😁).

All of this being said, can we accept to stand up against Bluesky because they blocked someone that was (apparently) breaking the law?

What law was he/she accused to have broken? Aren't we standing for a terrorist, a pedophile, a scammer or someone like that?

I think that when we have this sort of reaction we look more like facebookers (inhabitants of Facebook) than fediversians.

So, before being indignant about something, shouldn't we investigate to better understand the facts behind a screenshot?

Is there any authoritative source that could shed some light on what happened?

in reply to Max - Poliverso 🇪🇺🇮🇹

With greatest respect, your post misses the point?

It's the fact that Bluesky has the technical ability to force everyone on their network to accept their judgement that is the main danger. This power is inevitably misused, especially in countries with authoritarian governments that are run by convicted criminals and who ignore court rulings (such as the country Bluesky is based in).

This action isn't possible on the Fediverse, as there is no one who controls the entire Fediverse.

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@mkj @Stomata

The ability to censor an entire social network is absolutely enshittification. Such an ability is always misused, especially if the company that controls it is itself based in an authoritarian country.

BS's entire selling point was that this wasn't possible, yet here they are doing it.

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mkj

@Stomata No. This is many things, but one thing actually complying with the law is not is enshittification.

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in reply to Fedi.Tips 🎄

this is a very not good thing!

Hopefully this will convince more people to come to the fediverse, instead of not yet decentralised services.

in reply to Fedi.Tips 🎄

this IS super shitty, but would this be remediated if they were on their own PDS server and not Blueskys?
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@northrup
No. Self-hosting a Bluesky PDS just means that you get to pay for the hosting of your data (storage and bandwidth), and the renewal of your vanity domain. You also get to be responsible for keeping your server software up to date.
The wider ATProto network controls the visibility of your content across Bluesky.
in reply to Dec [{()}]

Yup, that's the problem with AT, it pipes everything through a relay and does not allow PDSes to communicate with each other. And at the moment, the only relay belongs to Bluesky corporation, giving the corporation full control over the network.

Fediverse servers communicate directly with each other, giving them total control over what they see and who they connect to. (Relays do exist on the Fediverse, but they're optional and don't prevent direct server-to-server comms.)

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While BS is better than Xitter... it appears to be going downhill lately.
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No one controls the Fediverse


Not exactly - each instance admin controls their instance, and as such the experience of their users. That’s a critical difference for two reasons

  1. It means you can join an instance that you jive with, and don’t have to “put up with” things you don’t like.
  2. It means that in order for the Fediverse to continue to have diverse information and viewpoints, people need to avoid congregating on a few large instances.
in reply to Nick (Alatar the Blue)

Yeah, totally agree, to put it exactly: no single person or organisation controls the entire Fediverse. The power is decentralised to thousands of independent instance admins who all control a tiny bit of the network 🙂

But the character limit is unforgiving on vanilla Mastodon so I tried to say something briefer 😁

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@toxomat

I've seen a lot of people who still think Bluesky is decentralised, because that's how Bluesky hypes itself in interviews and media promotion. The media then perpetuates this for whatever reason.

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A lot of what I've heard about Bluesky is that "it's like Twitter used to be!"

I don't think anyone who says that as a positive remembers how bad Twitter was about this kind of thing even before Musk bought it. At the absolute very least, everyone knows how everything turned out.

If there's anything we can learn from that, Trump's reelection, and COVID, it's that large groups of people can't seem to make decisions based on anything beyond a year or two ago. I'm not sure how to account for that to make any meaningful change.

in reply to Jargoggles

@jargoggles

Yup.

Also, people seem to think corporate structures can be okay if only the people in charge are good people. This is similar to the "benevolent dictator" fallacy, it totally misses that the main problem is with the structure rather than who is in charge.

If people could think about the effects of structures more, real change could be possible.