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It is for parents to raise their children. Not platforms.
The European Age Verification App is ready.
It will allow users to prove their age when accessing online platforms. Just like shops ask for proof of age for people buying alcoholic beverages.
And it ticks all the boxes:
✅ Highest privacy standards in the world
✅ Works on any device
✅ Easy to use
✅ Fully open source
More info: link.europa.eu/HmnrJc
Statement by President von der Leyen with Executive Vice-President Virkkunen on the digital age verification app
Good morning,\nLast autumn, at the State of the Union address, I committed to making the online world safer for our children. We know that digital technology can give children incredible opportunities.European Commission - European Commission
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Virgil Tibbs 🏳️🌈 🇺🇦 🇬🇱
in reply to European Commission • • •oder
es ist nicht die Sache der Plattformen Kinder zu erziehen?
Und wenn es Sache der Eltern ist Kinder zu erziehen, warum mischt ihr euch dann mit einer Altersverifizierung ein?
dan1
in reply to Virgil Tibbs 🏳️🌈 🇺🇦 🇬🇱 • • •Ist es nicht die Aufgabe der EU die Kinder zu schützen?
Virgil Tibbs 🏳️🌈 🇺🇦 🇬🇱
in reply to dan1 • • •mit einem verbot für socialmedia bei jugendlichen brauchen sich die plattformen.um.nichtsmehr zu kümmern. Stattdessen wäre es die aufgabe der eu den dsa etc durchzusetzen und sich nicht einzunässen, wenn trump mit zöllen droht
Earthworm 🐌
in reply to European Commission • • •You don't read the room here, don't you?
Please just look for the hashtag #ageverification and educate yourself why this is not a good idea.
Earthworm 🐌
in reply to Earthworm 🐌 • • •katzenberger
in reply to Earthworm 🐌 • • •@earthworm
On the contrary. This account is labeled "EUCommission", not "EUCommission PR" or similar.
And even if it were: There is no reason at all why governmental propaganda outlets should be treated like good friends that we just love to have around.
They're not: their agenda is propaganda, including the packaging of even the most outrageous plans, decisions and laws into a language designed to normalize them.
They're part of the system, not our friends that we comfortingly put our arms around.
@EUCommission
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Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO
in reply to Earthworm 🐌 • • •Spookybot
in reply to European Commission • • •tastyraspberry
in reply to European Commission • • •An age verification app's back end is arguably just as important as the front end. No word on that yet.
And it goes without saying that nothing apart from the boolean "is user older than x" should be shared with a platform.
Curious to see how this plays out. Platforms wanting age verification shouldn't have to rely on infamous contractors that leak data.
But everyone is aware of the slippery slope: IDing everyone on the web isn't something we'll let happen without pushback.
@EUCommission
Miss Gayle
in reply to tastyraspberry • • •And of course, none of this IDing nonsense is ever going to happen on the dark web, so it's a waste of time as well as being intellectually dishonest about its intentions.
Trash Panda
in reply to European Commission • • •Oblomov reshared this.
SummerOf68
in reply to Trash Panda • • •@raccoon no, the EU app just reads the age information of your ID or passport. It's open source, any programmer can check it's realy this way. Maximal security, maximal privacy, maximal transparency!
Or you realy want your children to grow up watching hardcore rape scenes just clicking "are you 18 yo and older? Yes or no?" on portals, thinking this is normal?
This solution is a small compromise and doesn't hurt!
Aral Balkan
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •@SummerOf68 @raccoon And how, pray tell, does it know that it’s *your* ID or passport and not your dad’s?
🤔
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Dźwiedziu
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •@aral
Passport? All it takes is that one kid at school with access to now “illegal” material.
@SummerOf68 @raccoon
SummerOf68
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •@aral @raccoon ouch! You have a PIN for your E-ID. It's not enough to put your card on your RFID - Reader. How can the bank know it's you drawing cash on an ATM?
If you let your bank card lying around with your PIN, that's stupid, cause you shouldn't wonder of your bank account is empty then!
With an E-ID AND your PIN someone can do a lot of crazy stuff. Like doing a tax return for you or report you falsly unemployed!
Thomas
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Trash Panda
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •ARE YOU TRYING TO MELT HIS BRAIN???
Li ~ Crystal System
in reply to Aral Balkan • • •Phantasm
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •@SummerOf68 @raccoon
>Or you realy want your children to grow up watching hardcore rape scenes just clicking "are you 18 yo and older? Yes or no?" on portals, thinking this is normal?
If your kid decides to do that and you didn't put any barriers for your kid to do that, it is only your fault and you can blame only yourself as a failed parent. Period.
SummerOf68
in reply to Phantasm • • •That's the reason children can't buy alcohol or tabaco, a practice that's usual and nobody discusses. If the seller don't want to sell, cause you look to young, you have to show your ID. Nobody questions this!
Phantasm
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •@SummerOf68 @raccoon So you want to live in a world where the government takes care of your kids instead of you, while using invasive regulation that doesn't need to exist. Got it.
Do you know why nobody questions alcohol/tobacco regulation and kids? Because showing your ID to a shopkeeper doesn't tie your indentity to everything you do online. The shopkeeper won't even remember your identity in a few hours.
Also if you think children cannot buy alcohol and tobacco products, and aren't bypassing the laws, you probably in an alternate universe then.
SummerOf68
in reply to Phantasm • • •@phnt @raccoon "taking care of kids" is not simular to youth protection.
Neither does the EU app control your identity anywhere in the internet.
The one who sells alcohol or tabaco to underaged riscs to be punished by law then.
Try to discuss with facts, not with emotions and desinformation next time!
Youth protection is a matter of the state since a long time, the members of the EU agreed to outsource parts of their sovereignty to the EU and to make EU law domestic law.
Get over it, it's up to the EU, it's how it works. EU is not just to redirect money from rich EU member states as subsidies to poor EU member states. You got something wrong then!
Trash Panda
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •If in the future our governments decide we are living in a nazi regime (I am being hyperbolic for the purpose of an example here) are you gonna say "Get over it, it's how it works" or are you gonna do the right thing and try to fight against it the best way you can?
Because this is the beginning of surveillance state, and we are doing what we can against it, which is trying to get people to understand it.
s1m0n4
in reply to Trash Panda • • •Apparently she doesn't.
Phantasm
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •@SummerOf68 @raccoon So I hit the nail on the head regarding the world you want to live in. Educating your child on what they should and shouldn't do on the Internet is something that should be left to the governments and their age verification checks apparently. Preventing your child from going on porn sites with something simple as DNS filters and educating them on what porn even is and why they shouldn't watch it is something the government should teach them instead by showing them a "you are not allowed to view this page" error page.
There's no point in continuing this further. iPad parenting.
Forse (he/him)
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •@SummerOf68 @phnt @raccoon
> Get over it, it's up to the EU, it's how it works
Love when the mask slips off.
You know how democracy works right?
People are expected to be able to criticize their government, whether it's the national or the supra national one.
We're creating a (more) authoritarian state because some parents need to shelter their kids from the world (I hope you don't let them watch the news).
Your kids want to watch rape porn?
You tell them it's really bad stuff, you ask them if they're sure and then you offer them to watch it with them or to discuss it later with them, you fucking coward.
annoyed Homura
in reply to Phantasm • • •Phantasm
in reply to annoyed Homura • • •@subnetter @raccoon @SummerOf68
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Trash Panda
in reply to Phantasm • • •SummerOf68
in reply to Trash Panda • • •Saorsa
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •What part of that is a conspiracy? Would have made sense to instead provide a government funded framework for parents providing them with both the tools and knowledge to parent properly and protect their children rather than requiring every adult to effectively dox themselves on the internet.
They went for the latter, why?
@SummerOf68@social.vivaldi.net @raccoon@hollow.raccoon.quest @phnt@fluffytail.org @subnetter@shitposter.world
ohir
in reply to Saorsa • • •@Saorsa @phnt @raccoon @SummerOf68 @subnetter
> What part of that is a conspiracy?
Mandating EVERY and EACH adult to have ALL their devices marked with their identity tied blob. Next step will be outlawing network access to any device not tied to the serf identity. IP v6 is loaded and ready for this "feature".
annoyed Homura
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •tyil
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •Checks out
Ozzelot
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •I and millions of people my age have grown up with theoretical access to such scenes and just kinda... chose not to watch them
@raccoon
Trash Panda
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •I want parents to be parents and take care of what kids do.
It's up to parents to do the parenting and set parental control on their routers and devices.
It's not up to the EU.
And yeah it's open source, but we don't know if what they add stuff when they release the apk
If I was an alcohol drinker I wouldn't leave the alcohol cabinet open.
Same with my router, just like I can lock the alcohol cabinet I can put blocks on the router.
nicole mikołajczyk 🔜 linux app summit ➡️ piwo ➡️ gpn
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •bria
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •@SummerOf68
My children doesn't have unlimited, unsupervised internet access, and are teach the risk that exist on it.
Because parents doesn't want to educate their children and prefer let them alone with screens all dayand us/chinese-based monopoly do their education, all people must now be tracked and identified ... with solutions which do absolutely nothing about the problem (which exist from _before_ internet, but doesn't seems at this age to track everyone)
Theses solutions will then be used then abused for absolutely all. Fiest porn, after social network. Then shopping, union and blog
@raccoon
Vinnie (any)
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •@SummerOf68 your definition of compromise is a little off. For anything to be a compromise both parties need to agree on an outcome, somewhere in between two more extreme positions. There is no consent here. If you want to hand out information, be my guest. I will not.
@raccoon
David Culley
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •2¢
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •@SummerOf68 @raccoon you raise your kids, I'll raise mine. Kids have been seeing ugly stuff forever. There is nothing delivered on a computer screen that will hurt a child. If they are mature enough to find it, they are mature enough to cope with it. If that terrifies you, supervise them at your expense, not mine.
Trashing anonymity online is the precursor to prosecuting thought crime.
Ben Todd
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •@SummerOf68
Hardcore rape scenes are not on legitimate sites that will comply with these age verification laws. Rape, death and violence videos are on illegitimate websites though, which won't comply with age verification. This law will TRY to keep kids away from moderated legitimate websites, into illegitimate websites with all the nastiest videos imaginable available.
@raccoon
UkeleleEric
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •sͧb̴ͫƸ̴gͬᵉ
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •@SummerOf68 @raccoon I thank you, sir, for adequately explaining the combination of [implied] views on politics, society and technology that lets suggestions such as these ever gain traction.
I sometimes attribute them to evil, unnecessarily.
Mae
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •@SummerOf68 @raccoon I watched porn at 15. It's normal. Porn has been a part of human society for thousands of years and as far as I am aware it is a healthy outlet for sexual desires, which kids will have. Obviously there are problems, but this is not a good solution.
None of this is to mention how I'm sure this will be used to restrict access to resources for LGBT kids and create frictions that platforms will use to make everything worse.
Oleksii
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •Li ~ Crystal System
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •@SummerOf68 @raccoon
ignoring the fact its just digital border control and can/will be used for regional lockout and DRM purposes:
tech.lgbt/@Li/1164193254438346… (as it already is in places that use it-)
but like it hurts people without ID .. as it is designed too do,
Li ~ Crystal System (@Li@tech.lgbt)
Li ~ Crystal System (LGBTQIA+ and Tech)Curio
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •@SummerOf68
Except that “rape scenes” are not the problem to begin with, it’s emotional-response optimized #doomscrolling “content” that is the problem – something that age-verification changes exactly zero about!
Yes, there are also those seeking this kind of thing out anyways (children or not), but that’s (a) a much smaller problem and (b) given a proper prior content warning, a single case of “View anyways” is generally enough to teach the lesson of why it was hidden to begin with. It’s not different from touching the hot stovetop. What we need here are broadly-available support networks to help deal with the burns.
Age verification (if done right), is merely a tool to decrease the likelyhood of eary-burns – somewhat balanced by the cost of allowing less learning possibilities. (All assuming everyone gets access to privacy-respecting, security-reviewed and non-intrusive implementions!)
I just don’t see how #age-verification is supposed to be the big game-changer.
@raccoon
#policy #parenting
European Commission
in reply to Trash Panda • • •If you’re interested in how it works in practice, you can read more here:
link.europa.eu/fkGCth
Commission makes available an age-verification blueprint
Shaping Europe’s digital futureVytautas Butėnas
in reply to European Commission • • •@raccoon
lightspeed
in reply to European Commission • • •@raccoon It is impossible to check age without disclosing an identity. That means the member states and or EU offices in some way will be able to disclose the identity of a user.
This is not OK and a breach of the EU charter (again).
Function creep has always existed and will also exist in the future. You can be sure this technology will be used for other goals than the protection of children.
#goodbuyanonimity
Trash Panda
in reply to European Commission • • •Even if it was for protection of the kids, this is not fair.
Because of parents being failures or being too lazy to do their jobs as parents we have to put up with this?
karussell
in reply to Trash Panda • • •RawiWoof
in reply to European Commission • • •Can you guarantee the age information doesn't get stored?
Can you guarantee the age information isn't tied to identity?
If you can't guarantee the first, then it's not equivalent to "showing the physical ID" (the physical ID isn't copied/written down in the process)
If you can't guarantee the second, then you're not doing age verification but ownership verification/identity verification which is a different task.
Moreover:
"It is for parents to raise their children."
Then make sure parents have safe environment to do so. This means not needing them to work 24/7, losing their mind to stress so they have time to do parenting which is in fact a full-time job that can't be offloaded to anything or anyone else.
Right now the only thing you and many other "Liberal" administrations are doing is an equivalent of "building a kid's corner in a minefield" or "marking a minefield 'Adults Only'".
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Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO
in reply to RawiWoof • • •@rawenwolf so I worked on the law for digital ID, and one of the elements in the law is enabling zero-knowledge proof. This means there should be a way for someone to attest to something about themselves with our actually having to reveal any of their personal information.
I'm wondering if this is the first actual implementation of that. If so it is extremely privacy-friendly: no personal data is shared.
Mark Gjøl
in reply to Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO • • •@jmaris @rawenwolf It looks like an app is involved that will hold an attestation that you are of age. This only holds the attestation, no other id.
Effectively this should enable the user to request an attestation without disclosing what it's for, and hand it over without disclosing any personal information, making it perfectly private.
lightspeed
in reply to Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO • • •@jmaris @rawenwolf Bottom line it is impossible to check age without an identity check. This system will lead to function creep and it's a matter of time until member state XYZ thinks it is good idea to checkup on what user on a social media platform was not positive about a government leader.
We all know this is not OK and 'what about the children' is more often misused that really true.
Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO
in reply to lightspeed • • •RawiWoof
in reply to Jordan Maris 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 #NAFO • • •@jmaris
If it's being done with zero-knowledge proof in mind, then I'm somewhat reassured that it should be harder to abuse (still not 100% sure but at least not panic mode). It of course doesn't solve the social issues but that's a different field.
It'd be better to make the ZKP mandatory so there's the privacy-preserving layer. Sadly can't check the code for this myself since I don't possess the necessary CyberSec expertise (I could at most check if there's no side-channel that could leak the ID information).
Happy to get feedback from a person directly involved with the work
Rachel Lawson
in reply to RawiWoof • • •DazRunner
in reply to RawiWoof • • •@rawenwolf
I've had a closer look at the code repository if anyone is interested?
PART 1: mastodon.social/@DazRunner/116…
PART 2: mastodon.social/@DazRunner/116…
Daz #belfast2corkrun (@DazRunner@mastodon.social)
Daz #belfast2corkrun (Mastodon)DazRunner
2026-04-15 17:16:04
Thomas Lavergne
in reply to European Commission • • •dcre
in reply to Thomas Lavergne • • •bovaz
in reply to European Commission • • •This is only a press release.
Utopiah (Fabien Benetou)
in reply to European Commission • • •can't wait to try on my PostMarketOS phone, running just Linux (no Android, no iOS) and if genuinely it "✅️ Works on any device".
I honestly hope so but until I can attest it I'll remain skeptical of that claim.
Also it's not open source until we can see the code. Making a statement without a link to the repository with the license is simply wrong.
Gil Pedersen
in reply to Utopiah (Fabien Benetou) • • •Overview - European Age Verification Solution
ageverification.devhaagch
in reply to Gil Pedersen • • •@kanongil Huh she says it will work on "computers"? If they plan to make a desktop version, then it could indeed work on Linux smartphones.
For example I recently realized the German eID App ausweisapp.bund.de/en/open-sou… being packaged for Alpine means it's already on postmarketOS and it actually does run out of the box (no NFC on my phone yet for actual functionality though)
AusweisApp as Open Source Software
www.ausweisapp.bund.deDiogo Constantino
in reply to European Commission • • •Veza85UE
in reply to European Commission • • •Dear @HennaVirkkunen , I would like to report a 76-year-old man who should obviously not be left unsupervised on the internet and then spread Russian slopaganda to our entire Union. Can we adjust the app settings for this demographic?
Thanks.
mastodon.social/@eunews/116404…
European News 🇪🇺
2026-04-14 19:23:36
Anthropy
in reply to European Commission • • •look I'm glad you guys considered privacy, that the app is opensource, etc, but to me it seems both unnecessary and dangerous, it's a whole new system that can fail and leak in its own ways, and this puts the burden of identifying on EVERYONE instead of the controls with parents that should be keeping an eye on their kids.
I don't have kids, and now every website is going to ask me personal details. No thanks. I guess I'll just selfhost everything then, just like the kids would?
Webber-e-bop
in reply to Anthropy • • •@anthropy
Better than the alternatives, investigated the code and documentation bit that it was in it's design safe, if everything follows the design, I found 2 points of failure that could store data without permission, the initial registration step, gotta trust them to not store the data if you don't use something like BankID, second one is the checker, gotta trust it to not store your key (even if it's anonymized, it's consistent). May have changed since I checked.
Should not store shit like the US companies, the anonymous ID database should not be storing any personal info from what I saw.
Big minus for relying on the Google Play API instead of the generic that works on GrapheneOS etc, at least when I last checked. It's reliant on a US company using that.
Not needed in the first place my opinion tho, hopefully it's just a non-corporate decentralized option IF a country decides to add those laws.
inpc
in reply to Anthropy • • •indeed, we'll just build our own internet.
Folks can stay in Facebacon where everything about them is there to be exploited legally.
Sérgio Machado
in reply to Anthropy • • •Seeing some quotes of Everyone Is Lying to You for Money. How do intend to do w crypto ?
Oh please sir you that are doing some strange things with Crypto can you please verify yourself 😬🤦♂️.
For perpetrators, criminals , will simple bypass
s1m0n4
in reply to European Commission • • •For the record I never installed the Covid app you talk about in the link.
And I am also a parent. There's a simple way not to have kids on social media: give them a dumbphone instead of a smartphone.
And set up parental control on their devices.
If you wanted to do something meaningful you should have regulated all services and telecom providers to include advanced rules for parental controls.
#AgeVerification #EUPol
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Nik | Klampfradler 🎸🚲
in reply to s1m0n4 • • •@s1m0n4
Sorry to bring you bad news, but what you propose does not keep your children away from social media. It only ensures that they first escape your control before using it.
s1m0n4
in reply to Nik | Klampfradler 🎸🚲 • • •Nik | Klampfradler 🎸🚲
in reply to s1m0n4 • • •@s1m0n4 Your kids do (at least I hope so) leave your house and visit friends. They (at least I hope so) go to school.
Unless you lock your kids at home, or you live with them in some religious walled garden or something, you don't have the choice to hide the world from them. The only choice you have is whether you build trust and have them share their experiences with you, or you don't and they hide their experiences from you.
s1m0n4
in reply to Nik | Klampfradler 🎸🚲 • • •@nik middle schools in France do not allow smartphone usage inside the building. My kids can, of course, check what their friends do on their phones outside school, but they don't have an account of their own on social media.
And I do not intend ti shield them 100% from images and videos on SM. I saw things I shouldn't have too when I was young. My goal is to not have them develop an addiction and protect their mental health.
stephie
in reply to European Commission • • •Very bad idea. 🤬
I do not want Age Verification for everyone.
I don't want to exclude people.
Thomas Eisenbock
in reply to stephie • • •Ray McCarthy
in reply to European Commission • • •No, it's not just like shops.
1. The shop keeps no record.
2. The shop only asks those that look young,
On the internet, any age verification results in everyone's details being stored and most of the companies are not trustworthy. The info will be sold or leaked.
It will be used for surveillance.
"It is for parents to raise their children. Not platforms."
So do no age verification. OTOH hold web sites and apps to the same standards as TV, Radio, billboards & print.
Fine them!
dcre
in reply to Ray McCarthy • • •Ozzelot
in reply to European Commission • • •Hauntshade
in reply to European Commission • • •Is this another hack/databreach waiting to happen?
Lukáš Jelínek
in reply to European Commission • • •Joe Vinegar reshared this.
Taku
in reply to European Commission • • •Jeremiah Lee
in reply to European Commission • • •Being able to authoritatively prove adulthood without revealing any other personal information is a useful capability. However, age-gating the Internet is a terrible idea that risks accelerating surveillance and removing the human right to privacy in digital spaces.
A better solution: fund education of parents on digital risks and tools, education of children on digital literacy, and promotion of on-device parental controls. The obligation here is the guardian’s.
Jocelyn
in reply to Jeremiah Lee • • •@Jeremiah
Indeed.
#EFF @eff have a useful piece (dated 1 year ago) on the #AgeVerificationApp of the #EuropeanUnion and more globally on #AgeVerification mandates, although an update with the current implementation choices would be welcome.
eff.org/deeplinks/2025/04/age-…
Age Verification in the European Union: The Commission's Age Verification App
Electronic Frontier FoundationOnly 9.6% backed Reform
in reply to Jeremiah Lee • • •Marko
in reply to European Commission • • •Nicht schon wieder die Kinder bei eurem Mist vorschieben. Ich kann das langsam nicht mehr hören.
Haltet ihr uns als Eltern nicht für mündig genug? Aber kann es sein, dass es euch vielleicht gar nicht darum geht, sondern nur um mehr Kontrolle?
Wie komme ich jetzt bloß auf solche Gedanken? 🤔
Bin auch sehr gespannt, wie die App dann so auf einem Linux-Phone läuft. Geht ja angeblich überall. 🐧 📱
Scapigliato 🚲
in reply to European Commission • • •Francesco Tocci Ⓥ🇪🇺
in reply to Scapigliato 🚲 • • •Scapigliato 🚲
in reply to Francesco Tocci Ⓥ🇪🇺 • • •Scapigliato 🚲
in reply to Scapigliato 🚲 • • •2044723123287666921
Paul Moore - Security Consultant (X (formerly Twitter))Francesco Tocci Ⓥ🇪🇺
in reply to Scapigliato 🚲 • • •Al di là della questione tecnica, risolvibile, non credi sia necessario inibire alcuni contenuti ai minori? Si lo so, ci sono le VPN, ma perché allora non vendere anche alcool ai dodicenni?
Scapigliato 🚲
in reply to Francesco Tocci Ⓥ🇪🇺 • • •@francescotocci Non penso che la soluzione per vietare qualcosa ai minori sia quella di controllare tutti a prescindere e poi decidere. Oggi puoi vietare qualcosa ai minori ma domani? Chi dice che non mi verrà vietato altro? Non viviamo molto lontani da politiche con derive pericolose.
Trovo un po' benaltrista l'esempio dell'alcol (scusami se mi permetto). Inoltre la presenza fisica è diversa da quella digitale.
Francesco Tocci Ⓥ🇪🇺
in reply to Scapigliato 🚲 • • •Scapigliato 🚲
in reply to Francesco Tocci Ⓥ🇪🇺 • • •@francescotocci l'apertura verso queste soluzioni è un facile lascia passare a controlli sempre più rigidi. Oggi molto passa dal digitale e non è difficile pensare che tutto può essere visto come "potenzialmente pericoloso". È come volere un poliziotto a ogni angolo per una società più sicura.
Inoltre le scelte di cosa controllare passano dalla politica di chi governa. Oggi non abbiamo niente da nascondere. Ma domani?
Francesco Tocci Ⓥ🇪🇺
in reply to Scapigliato 🚲 • • •kikeenrique
in reply to European Commission • • •Phoenix Paulina Schmid
in reply to kikeenrique • • •@kikeenrique It just says that the tech is ready, not that it is released.
I also just found this GitHub Organisation: github.com/eu-digital-identity…
European Digital Identity
GitHubMarkwayne Mullin
in reply to European Commission • • •Join the Muskinsights's server Discord Server!
DiscordSeiðr
in reply to European Commission • • •Andi Theuser
in reply to European Commission • • •Andi Theuser
in reply to Andi Theuser • • •EU age verification app can be hacked in 2 minutes, claims security expert
vger.toDavid
in reply to European Commission • • •Leander Lindahl
in reply to European Commission • • •Advertising X in your page footer... Vouching for X. School children writing essays on the EU and visiting the commission web site are encouraged to "follow you" on X. You give X your seal of approval.
Andreas Grois
in reply to European Commission • • •What does "Works on any device" mean on a technical level?
If it's meant seriously, it would be a portable C library, so that app developers for new platforms would just need to build a native GUI...
⁂ Jnk ∞ 📎
in reply to European Commission • • •"It is for parents to raise their children. Not platforms."
Then don't make a damn app and leave parents and kids alone. It is that simple. You could instead:
- Raise awareness of privacy and security issues for kids (and users, in general).
- Educate kids in schools about responsable use of electronic devices.
- Just ban roblox and other pedo-infested platforms. Seriously. Predators don't hide in signal DMs precisely.
- Start reducing dependency on foreign private digital platforms that ARE out of your control and don't care about sanctions.
- Invest more resources on secure and free software that you can actually control.
#ageverification #FOSSwashing
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s1m0n4
in reply to ⁂ Jnk ∞ 📎 • • •Timothy Roes
in reply to s1m0n4 • • •s1m0n4
in reply to Timothy Roes • • •dieTasse
in reply to ⁂ Jnk ∞ 📎 • • •Came here to pretty much say this ⬆️... it should be parents raising their kids, exactly, they were so close to having this right 🤦
@EUCommission
Frits van der Holst
in reply to ⁂ Jnk ∞ 📎 • • •Snapchat is an enabler or better turbocharger of too much bad/illegal stuff. It must be banned.
Lien Rag
in reply to ⁂ Jnk ∞ 📎 • • •@jnk
Ever heard of a certain Pete Hegseth ?
#WhiskeyLeaks
Nirro
in reply to European Commission • • •Biorreactivo
in reply to European Commission • • •senda
in reply to European Commission • • •Niko Poikulainen
in reply to European Commission • • •Drew wants a longer profile na
in reply to European Commission • • •_slowly
in reply to European Commission • • •Cyaniris
in reply to European Commission • • •No. It is also the responsibility of the platforms to raise our children.
Thank you on behalf of children without parents or failing parents; they appreciate your kindness.
Jacobo Da Riva Muñoz
in reply to European Commission • • •ah12264
in reply to European Commission • • •Leif Samuelsson
in reply to European Commission • • •@HennaVirkkunen
Henna, please read these comments and provide a reply to the questions. Thanks!
@EUCommission
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in reply to Leif Samuelsson • • •Email: cab-virkkunen-contact@ec.europa.eu
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in reply to European Commission • • •Oblomov reshared this.
Carsten
in reply to European Commission • • •martenson
in reply to European Commission • • •Michal 🇨🇿
in reply to martenson • • •@martenson
github.com/eu-digital-identity…
@EUCommission
GitHub - eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android-wallet-ui
GitHubdunklecat
in reply to European Commission • • •Today's not 1st of April. You're trying to enter our chats, profiles and track us online, make the web worse and more dangerous that it needs to be. You want control without a real reason apart capitalism and power.
Tell us why you did this. Tell us why we need it. Tell us it's the best you can think of. Tell us the science that can backup this choice. Show us scientific data that proves that this solution is the better one. 1/X
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dunklecat
in reply to dunklecat • • •Disclose the ones that will really benefit from this, all of them. Tell us everything. And then, and only then, we will be able to talk about this. Don't think we're stupid. Don't think we're going to be silent about this. Don't think you know more than we do. We know what our children need. We know what our children wants. And we have some ideas about why you need less privacy, less security and more power over us.
2/X
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dunklecat
in reply to dunklecat • • •Let's build a safer, privacy-focused, secure internet for everyone together. It will be a long process. It will need willpower. It won't be easy, but we need to do it.
We need to abandon all applications that don't put the user at their centre. We need you to leave X, we need you to leave Meta. We need you to leave them. We need you to share your Peertube instance. We need you to share Mastodon more on your site. We need to share and build safer spaces using libre software. 3/3
Barry Cook 🇨🇦
in reply to European Commission • • •How does this protect anybody?
Weird Socks
in reply to European Commission • • •Niels Braczek
in reply to European Commission • • •Niels Braczek
in reply to Niels Braczek • • •Finally found it:
github.com/eu-digital-identity…
It is by far not what was promised:
nitter.net/Paul_Reviews/status…
#epicFail
GitHub - eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android-wallet-ui
GitHubFrisk
in reply to European Commission • • •Because no link to the application was posted, I assume its this github.com/eu-digital-identity… & github.com/eu-digital-identity….
Either way, Age Verification on the Internet as a concept is dangerous and many scientists have warned of it already in an open-letter.
We don't need Age Verification technology to protect children, we need regulation of big tech to reign in on maliciously created algorithms and practices.
And don't weaken the protections we already have with Omnibus.
This time around it's an L for you, EU.
GitHub - eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android-wallet-ui
GitHubPenguin Rebellion
in reply to European Commission • • •❓ "Highest privacy standards in the world"
You have merely claimed to have done threat modeling in the course of an "internal design process". To this day, you haven't published any related documents. "Trust me" and vague assertions don't prove anything.
What is currently published, though, rather diminishes trust, like your "important note" on PINs:
»To enhance security, it is strongly recommended that the allowed PINs raise the overall security level. Sequential or easily guessable patterns (such as "135246 or "147258") should not be permitted. Additionally, it is advisable to check against a list of the most commonly used or "pwned" PINs to prevent users from choosing weak credentials.«
❌ "Works on any device"
"To enable online age verification, the User is required to install an AV app on their mobile device."
You have openly stated in 2025 already (and bluntly closed the related issue on GitHub as "completed"): "The project is currently focused on mobile platforms, specifically Android and iOS, as these cover the vast majority of end users and use cases. Desktop support is not in the current scope of the project, but we will take this suggestion on board."
No desktops, no de-googled phones.
That is: you are lying straight to our faces, here.
❓ "Easy to use"
Again, from your current "important note":
»This white-label application is a reference implementation of the Age Verification solution that should be customised before publishing it. The current version is not feature complete and will require further integration work before production deployment.«
How is ease of use, let alone accessibility, tested for a "white-label application [sic]" that isn't even customized?
How is there no desktop client? · Issue #29 · eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android-wallet-ui
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Lizzie
in reply to Penguin Rebellion • • •commission.europa.eu/about/con…
Contact
European CommissionFrank Herrmann
in reply to European Commission • • •#ageverification #privacy
joyandsadness
in reply to European Commission • • •Rob van Kan🔻
in reply to European Commission • • •jack
in reply to European Commission • • •Dear #Zensursula,
fixed that for you:
"It is for parents to raise their children. Not the total #surveillance state. But since we don't care for children and use this sentimental bs only as cover up for our totalitarian dream:
The European #BigBrother App is ready.
It will allow us to follow your every step. Every move you make. We'll be watching you.
Just like China asks for proof of good behavior for people trying to access services like finance, travel or entertainment."
Kirinn B.
in reply to European Commission • • •Don-kun
in reply to European Commission • • •Peter
in reply to European Commission • • •Michal 🇨🇿
in reply to European Commission • • •I don't like this part in technical specification:
&redirect_uri=av%3A%2F%2Fcallback
That's mean an Authorization endpoint can see what web am I visiting?
DazRunner
in reply to Michal 🇨🇿 • • •@michal
Yep. That's exactly what it means. Nice catch bro 🙂
Also, the verification logic is all server side...
Did you manage to catch what the input verification info is? Eg. pic of driver's licence, facial image, IP address etc?
Merlin Makes
Unknown parent • • •@elettrona
Why/how would it not be accessible for trans people?
@EUCommission
Trash Panda
in reply to European Commission • • •Also
It is for parents to raise their children, not platforms
Then why try to do the parents job?
Parents shouldn't get smartphones for their kids, period.
Raquel
in reply to European Commission • • •tootbrute
in reply to European Commission • • •works on any device eh?
postmarketOS?
grapheneOS?
UbuntuOS?
FuriOS?
etc
etc
OH you mean just the duopoly - Apple and Android.
Tim Panton
in reply to tootbrute • • •@tootbrute yeah, I was puzzled by that. The 'more info' link says:
- "the app works on any device – phone, tablet, computer, you name it. And, finally, it is fully open source" -
I'm looking forward to inspecting the source when it becomes available to see how that has been done. - seems unlikely to be achievable without access to a secure element.
tootbrute
in reply to Tim Panton • • •Tim Panton
in reply to tootbrute • • •Irenes (many)
in reply to Tim Panton • • •Tim Panton
in reply to tootbrute • • •@tootbrute
I just ran their 'White label demo' app sideloaded onto grapheneOS - without using google play.
It runs ok against their test ID provider and their test age verified website.
I'm quite impressed.
Erik Play2Learn
in reply to tootbrute • • •★ Goth ⛧ Jessica ★
in reply to European Commission • • •fuck you
fuck your digital surveillance and state censorship disguised as protection
go eat a dog shit
Adam Bishop
in reply to European Commission • • •Lizzie
in reply to European Commission • • •I know this just asks for mockery and outrage. Rightly so. But be sure noone with actual weight will read any comments you leave here You can ask europe direct for clarification about any concerns you might have here: european-union.europa.eu/conta…, or check for other forms of contact here: commission.europa.eu/about/con…
If you want to complain it then do as I did, and at least direct your complaints somewhere they will possibly be read.
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veroandi_br
in reply to European Commission • • •@European Commission
🤣 really? This is ridiculous. You don't hold platforms accountable for the bad they do to society. You have a lot of tolerance for companies that does not respect children's and adults human rights. Everybody knows that all this system was not developed to "help children" but to track citizens in future updates.
Aubrey
in reply to European Commission • • •Stu
in reply to European Commission • • •"Just like shops ask for proof of age for people buying alcoholic beverages."
The local shop doesn't keep a copy of my license when I show it to prove my age. If you're going to invoke this analogy, I hope you have a auditable requirement that any PII submitted will not, and cannot, be saved after the verification transaction.
Csepp 🌢
in reply to European Commission • • •khm
in reply to Csepp 🌢 • • •You can immediately tell someone is full of shit when "works on any device" shows up
CC: @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu
Haelwenn /элвэн/
in reply to khm • • •Lorraine Lee
in reply to Haelwenn /элвэн/ • • •Haelwenn /элвэн/
in reply to Lorraine Lee • • •And probably not developed much in the open.
Lorraine Lee
in reply to Haelwenn /элвэн/ • • •hnapel
in reply to European Commission • • •"That sounds like a very good deal. But I think I got a better one. How about I give you the finger, and you give me my phone call."
Patrick H. Lauke
in reply to European Commission • • •farlukar
in reply to European Commission • • •SummerOf68
in reply to European Commission • • •what a foilhead chatter here! 🤦🏻♂️
Good solution, it was urgently necessary! 👍
The state has to protect children.
Diogo Constantino
in reply to SummerOf68 • • •@SummerOf68 It's actually a lousy solution, and based on at least a few lies, like: "works on any device".
@EUCommission
DazRunner
in reply to European Commission • • •So a device that infringes massively on your privacy, is described as having the..."highest privacy standards in the world". 🤣😅😂
Classic misdirection technique. SELL THE LIE!!!
#trump #europe #ageverification
Frisk
in reply to DazRunner • • •@DazRunner Comparatively to other implementations of Age Verification technology it might even be true, however it still raises some privacy issues even with assumption that zero-proof this technology utilizes is solid.
But then, this entire "solution" is as problematic as it gets from many more angles than just privacy.
ArtistSynth - Ahora en NeoPaquita
in reply to European Commission • • •Diogo Constantino
in reply to ArtistSynth - Ahora en NeoPaquita • • •@ArtistSynth making platforms accountable for third-party content is a mistake, that will cause over blocking and censorship, it will make platforms speech police, judge and executors. It's anti-democratic.
What we need is to create conditions and requirements for the implementation of moderation policies, and systems (including cooperative), transparency and community engagement. Also, leave to the courts deciding what is actually illegal or not.
nictakiego
in reply to European Commission • • •hambier
in reply to European Commission • • •#Linux support? Where is the actual link to the source code repository?
That being said, age verification is a terrible idea and I'm saying that as a parent of kids in the age bracket that you are so worried about! Regulate the huge social media corporations properly instead of acting like they're only problematic for minors.
I fear you'll just end up killing Linux on the desktop or smaller online forums or similar.
DazRunner
in reply to European Commission • • •"They are personal digital wallets that allow citizens to digitally identify themselves, store and manage identity data and official documents in electronic format. These documents may include a driving licence, medical prescriptions or education qualifications. Thanks to the wallet, all citizens will be able to prove their identity where necessary to access services online, to share digital documents, or simply to prove a specific personal attribute" 🤨🤐🫣
digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/…
Q&A Digital Identity
digital-strategy.ec.europa.euElPasmo
in reply to European Commission • • •No, no, and a thousand noes. Parental controls are something that already address your concern. They are available in any device, or you can push for an opensource alternative yourselves.
This is an attack on privacy, and the foundations of the free internet.
Merlin Makes
Unknown parent • • •@elettrona
Thanks for explanation.
For blind people I can see problems, but trans or something else; you are born at a certain date, that's all that *should* matter. Any other data that is required or used is highly suspicious.
(As is any form of state interference with my life...)
@EUCommission
thedæmon (Clay Ayers) [he / him]
in reply to European Commission • • •✨メッツォ✨
in reply to European Commission • • •Reid
in reply to European Commission • • •nicole mikołajczyk 🔜 linux app summit ➡️ piwo ➡️ gpn
in reply to European Commission • • •Miguel Torrellas
in reply to European Commission • • •vmaurin
in reply to European Commission • • •The_Universality
in reply to European Commission • • •If "it is for the parents to raise their children", why do we have an ID verification app?
It is open-source, but is the back-end?
Highest privacy standard?
With #digitalomnibus I doubt that.
Just do not interfere with the privacy and usability of internet due to incompetent parents.
Also, what use doea ID verification app have when parents can it so their child can access the net?
Or the children using it without the knowledge of their parent?
Anthk
in reply to European Commission • • •Reaverz3r0
in reply to European Commission • • •Diego Mascarell ⁂ 🏳️🌈
in reply to European Commission • • •cid_terron
in reply to European Commission • • •Hope the code is readable& we'll see it soon on f-droid
Eggs now in different baskets.
in reply to cid_terron • • •@cid_terron Which device operating system originating entirely from the EU allows you to run apps that are in the F-droid repository?
#digitalsovereignty
Antoine
in reply to European Commission • • •Jörn Franke
in reply to European Commission • • •Why is it not open source? You published the interoperable Europe Act. You published an open source strategy and have an open source programme office. Experts could easily verify it, it would be easy integrate-able in European software and help non-European countries to establish a secure, privacy-preserving, non-tracking own app.
@EC_OSPO
TurboHz 🇪🇺
in reply to European Commission • • •dcre
in reply to European Commission • • •Do you understand what you are doing? What freedoms you are quietly eroding? What for?
There is nothing more private then just having NO IDAV in place.
I dont trust you to keep my data safe just as I dont trust anyone.
It is obvious you want to protect children from harm, but what is verification of age now, is soon gonna be "passport please", and then you get arrested for a opinion on the internet.
Welcome to North Korea.
Microblog Castellano
in reply to European Commission • • •It is using tech from pallantir? Is it deleting the IDs just after verification?
Pascal Drabik
in reply to European Commission • • •People should get a license before even thinking of having children
Helen LH
in reply to European Commission • • •European Commission
in reply to Helen LH • • •The Digital Services Act
Shaping Europe’s digital futureHelen LH
in reply to European Commission • • •eff.org/issues/age-verificatio…
Age Verification and Age Gating: Resource Hub
Electronic Frontier Foundation❄️SnowyIn🇨🇦❄️
in reply to European Commission • • •If you were actually "holding platforms accountable" with the digital services act then you would not need Age Verification.
Your argument just failed.
@Research_FTW
狐ヴィクシー
in reply to European Commission • • •"It is for parents to raise their children"
God Emperor of Mastodon
in reply to European Commission • • •cgnarne
in reply to European Commission • • •Diogo Constantino
in reply to cgnarne • • •@cgnarne they are already regulated (EPrivacy, Internet Society Services Directive, GPDPR, DMA, DSA, AI Act)... What's missing is way faster, more transparent action by the regulators, including the EU Commission.
The legislation that exists is nor perfect, and might need some improvements, but the Commission is actually proposing making it mostly worse, not better.
@EUCommission
Luka Rubinjoni
in reply to European Commission • • •European Commission
in reply to Luka Rubinjoni • • •Hi, @rubinjoni. Platforms already have responsibilities under the Digital Services Act when it comes to protecting users, including minors.
This solution complements those efforts by giving users a way to prove their age online while protecting their privacy. More info here: link.europa.eu/gbRf9h
The Digital Services Act
Shaping Europe’s digital futurejtb
in reply to European Commission • • •Kenner
in reply to European Commission • • •European Commission
in reply to Kenner • • •Hi, @kennergf .
Parents play a key role in keeping children safe online.
That is why the Commission also engages with parents, young people and educators to better understand their perspectives. For example, a Special Panel on child safety online was held recently to discuss how to make the digital environment safer for children.
The aim is not to replace parents, but to help ensure that children can enjoy the opportunities of the online world in a safe way.
European Commission
in reply to European Commission • • •Commission holds first meeting of Special Panel on child safety online
European Commission - European Commission❄️SnowyIn🇨🇦❄️
in reply to European Commission • • •Well you're ignoring the parents who do not want this!
@kennergf
Kenner
in reply to European Commission • • •Eggs now in different baskets.
in reply to Kenner • • •@kennergf
"Works on any device".
Amazing not only will it work on my PinePhone running mobian but even better it will work on my primary phone, a dumbphone with RAM counted in megabytes.
I am also looking forward to trying to use it on my Iyonix. Although I might need to upgrade to a later version of RISC OS.
At least I will not have to buy an Android or Apple device ever again.
/s
#mobian #riscos #pinephone #dumbphone
Eggs now in different baskets.
in reply to Eggs now in different baskets. • • •@kennergf Replying to myself.
So if this is a reference design that does not require hooks into other operating systems, particularly Android/iOS then it is to be applauded.
The issue is really if the apps that a created by individual governments are limited to certain devices.
If the Linux community can build a FOSS app that works with the age verification systems of EU governments then, while age verification is not ideal at least #digitalsovereignty can still exist.
tecteun
in reply to European Commission • • •Anarchic Teapot ⚧️
in reply to European Commission • • •"Just like shops ask for proof of age for people buying alcoholic beverages."
Which they don't. We're not in the US.
European Commission
in reply to Anarchic Teapot ⚧️ • • •Hi,@anarchic_teapot The comparison is just an example to illustrate situations where age needs to be confirmed.
The focus here is on enabling that online in a way that protects users’ privacy by only confirming age, not identity.
More information: link.europa.eu/fkGCth
Commission makes available an age-verification blueprint
Shaping Europe’s digital futureAnarchic Teapot ⚧️
in reply to European Commission • • •I'm sure that'll impress Meta, to name only them, who insist on full ID in certain circumstances.
But the kids will find a way around it anyway.
Eggs now in different baskets.
in reply to European Commission • • •@anarchic_teapot
Dear EU Commission, please answer one very simple question.
Will everyone have to own an Android or iOS device in order to be able to use the age confirmation system?
Some of us really do not use either and do not wish to be forced to use them either.
#digitalsovereignty
❄️SnowyIn🇨🇦❄️
in reply to European Commission • • •@anarchic_teapot
American sites don't give a hoot about your " data protections"
Bad News Nobody
in reply to European Commission • • •FluffyBunnikins
in reply to European Commission • • •FluffyBunnikins
in reply to European Commission • • •tripleman, a 🇨🇦 in 🇩🇪
in reply to European Commission • • •you guys might want to read this thread: cosocial.ca/@mhoye/11640871041…
mhoye
2026-04-15 12:25:57
Dave
in reply to European Commission • • •"Just like shops ask for proof of age for people buying alcoholic beverages."
This claim is simply false - shops don't demand proof of age of most people. In most cases they can tell by simply looking at the customer.
Eggs now in different baskets.
in reply to European Commission • • •Please stop publishing lies about this.
The code WILL NOT run on ANY device.
My primary phone is a recently purchased 4G dumb phone with no internet capabilities and RAM measured in megabytes.
It is a device.
It does what I need it to do and I expect to get ten years worth of use out of it.
I cannot install any apps on it.
Who will make this code run on my dumb phone so that I am not forced to buy a smartphone with an OS developed in the US?
#digitalsovereignty
Kobold
in reply to European Commission • • •"It is for parents to raise their children. Not platforms."
Lesson 1: How to build and use a VPN.
Stage name Jay Peach
in reply to European Commission • • •Maya
in reply to European Commission • • •Maya
in reply to European Commission • • •Maya
in reply to European Commission • • •Maya
in reply to European Commission • • •Padjo
in reply to European Commission • • •Eggs now in different baskets.
in reply to European Commission • • •From the EU statement "Social media platforms offer highly addictive designs – infinite scrolling that is feeding the addiction, short videos snap attention span, highly personalised content, targeted. "
So fix the bloody platforms that harm our children first.
Making adults compensate for a lack of regulation by the EU of the digital market place by forcing them to constantly ID themselves is addressing the wrong set of issues.
#digitalsovereignty #surveillance #chatcontrol
huiiii!!!
in reply to European Commission • • •This renders internet services unusable for adults as well! Why would I trust my personal data to a random BigTech company?
And no, no adult looking like an adult is asked to provide an ID when buying alcohol. And even if, this data would not be stored somewhere.
Please try to solve the problem at the root and control THEM (Big Tech), not us! You have the DSA, please enforce it!
libreware sniffer
in reply to European Commission • • •Alex
in reply to European Commission • • •er how about NOT having age verification? this is from the same people who proposed #chatControl which had the same "think of the kids!" excuse, while the authors of the proposal are not affected at all.
and besides, this is just a step forward to mass surveillance.
IOI
in reply to European Commission • • •Esurio
in reply to European Commission • • •Nick
Unknown parent • • •It was quite hidden, but the links to the repository are on this site: ageverification.dev/Support/
@EUCommission
Support and contact - European Age Verification Solution
ageverification.devKenner
in reply to European Commission • • •Kenner
in reply to European Commission • • •Kenner
in reply to European Commission • • •Europe should regulate Big Tech instead of banning kids from social media, Estonia says
Eliza Gkritsi (POLITICO)Kenner
in reply to European Commission • • •infosec.exchange/@JessTheUnsti…
Jess👾
2026-04-16 18:08:15
Janet Grootebroeder
in reply to European Commission • • •jilly
in reply to European Commission • • •Age verification, even with zero knowledge proofs is a dangerous precedent to set, as it locks down the internet by default and that is the dream for any authoritarian.
Instead dear @EUCommission why not defend the free internet? As you said: "It is for parents to raise their children." Just sign into law that minors are only allowed to be given devices with child protection mode by their parents and leave the rest of us the hell alone.
Dmitry Tantsur
in reply to European Commission • • •shame on you. All child protection groups are screaming that it's a terrible idea. You're pushing children towards the dark web, you're taking their safe spaces, preventing them from learning to navigate the world of information (until 18 when they're magically no longer vulnerable). And we all have to pay for this with our privacy.
If you want to protect kids, fix the climate change and control American social networks - for everyone.
ヘタレ
in reply to European Commission • • •IMHO, this approach will fail. Whatever runs on your device, especially if open source, you can manipulate at will. So there will be replacements for this App that allow you to enter any age.
Australia already shows that teenagers don't let them stop that easily.
Next step therefore will be to enforce age verification by restricting users' power and freedom over their own devices, and/or communicating back to some state/company controlled infrastructure.
#FreeSoftware #Freedom
Daniel Schwering
in reply to European Commission • • •Duncan Bayne
in reply to European Commission • • •"
✅ Works on any device"
*Any* device? Really? Or only iOS and Android devices?
❄️SnowyIn🇨🇦❄️
in reply to European Commission • • •Age verification is not a "good idea" for anyone.
It doesn't stop youngsters from accessing ' illegal" sites, they will find a way around it, but what these laws do accomplish is:
- Everyone, will have to upload their official ID on the internet, thus exposing all *your* personal information to hackers via data leaks.
*Your ID* can then be used to do all sorts of fraudulent activities, and *you* will be responsible for untangling the mess -- it will take years , plus you will be forced to pay out all legal fees, not the website or the government.
Additionally, because the government can monitor every keystroke from your computer or other device, you could be penalized for your opinion....not to mention I don't want to live in a dictatorship like North Korea, China, or Russia --censorship is terrible for democracy.
-kids will learn how to become 'hackers' in order to circumvent law so, I ask you how does this improve the life of children or yourself?
kira flow
in reply to European Commission • • •Loy Hena
in reply to European Commission • • •...but it only works with american proprietary phones so since I have an European phone I guess I am considered underage now.
What a way to throw privacy out the window. To exclude yet again children and teenagers from society, until the day we throw them inside without warning. To throw the one and best rule of the internet that gave us true liberty and made it great: never give your identity. And to help pirates have more data to steal (we know how government protects our data, we are used to being defenceless against it).
But wait its open-source !
Angelino Desmet
in reply to European Commission • • •Now do IQ verification for car drivers.
Ten years ago I observed texting while driving once or twice daily. Today I'd be surprised if it went below 50% of the drivers. It's absurd we allow morons to operate death machines; unfortunately our "economy" is highly car centric.
Counterintuitively though, road accidents have been dropping somewhat, at least in Belgium: statbel.fgov.be/en/themes/mobi…
Nevertheless, texting and driving remains an act of morons.
@EUCommission #CarCentrism #FuckCars
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in reply to European Commission • • •It is for parents to raise their children. Correct.
Hence, this absurd techno-fix isn't a solution.
Who is behind this?
TC Won't Give In To Lies
in reply to European Commission • • •Interesting approach to a critical problem.
Surely, it's not perfect. There real challenge is to improve it, not enshittify it.
Once again, the EU shows that regulation is the way forward on key issues, not laissez faire techbros. Time for the UK and other countries to follow their lead.
adlerweb // BitBastelei
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Herisson Rose
in reply to Valerie Aurora 🇺🇦 • • •@vaurora Wrong. It is for governments to *regulate* these PLATFORMS.
Ban opaque algorithms designed to addict users and manipulate their behaviour, spending and beliefs thru misleading content and dark patterns.
These harm *all users* and exist only to enrich the owners of said platforms at the detriment of everyone else.
Fining the companies is not enough.. Its seen as "the cost of doing business" - they merely pay (or refuse to) and change zero harmful behaviours.
Herisson Rose
in reply to Herisson Rose • • •@vaurora Claiming to "protect children" is not just functionally useless / cowardly excuse to avoid meaningful change:
- Its the companies's *OWN POLICY* in disguise
- A vehicle to steamroll remaining privacy rights, because these corps despise it, and seek to harvest *more* data on us.
- Forcing everyone to give up their identity is extremely lucrative!
- It opens the door to *more* harmful and extractive corporate behaviours
- All the risks, and dangers of course, fall on us
Herisson Rose
in reply to Herisson Rose • • •@vaurora Helpful reminder that children are *also people*
They have human rights, including the rights to privacy, self-expression, and education.
Free and anonymous Internet access is sometimes their only social outlet, or access to comprehensive, unbiased information not filtered by an abusive, controlling or extremist parent.
Their children should not suffer, but nor should they be walled off from the greatest free and open source of information the world has ever known.
craignicol
in reply to European Commission • • •LillyLyle/Count Melancholia
in reply to craignicol • • •Diane
in reply to European Commission • • •Cyrille Besson 🇨🇭
in reply to European Commission • • •Parental control already exist on most platforms.
This is not needed. Educate people instead.
Greenbeard
in reply to European Commission • • •Johan Barelds 🇪🇺
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in reply to Johan Barelds 🇪🇺 • • •kamme
in reply to European Commission • • •Nicole Parsons
in reply to European Commission • • •Age verification is a truly terrible idea.
It doesn't protect children.
It shields American tech companies from lawsuits when they are negligent in their duty to public safety.
These are laws that will enrich Meta and Google.
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Ross of Ottawa
in reply to Nicole Parsons • • •Skremlyn
in reply to European Commission • • •Esther Payne
in reply to European Commission • • •Okay I'll bite, in the UK (Scotland) even in my mid thirties I fell foul of the challenge 25 laws. So I carried the easier to replace ID which I had to carry when driving. My driving license.
I'd often get challenged. Which meant I had to show my ID with my home address to a total stranger. When the check out guy was a man it felt unsafe
As someone who's been stalked, it's not safe showing that information to a complete stranger. Let alone an untrustworthy org like Europol.
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Esther Payne
in reply to Esther Payne • • •Trying to normalise sharing your ID to a system that will have to share that information with third parties is a dishonest thing to do.
Particularly with the think of the children argument.
RevK reshared this.
Esther Payne
in reply to Esther Payne • • •That's before we even get to the code repository being on GitHub. Which is domiciled in the US.
So much for digital sovereignty.
Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
in reply to Esther Payne • • •@onepict The github criticism is legit, however to my knowledge the EU system uses Zero-Knowledge Proofs (ZKP) for things like age verification (meaning platforms only get a "true/false" answer for the specific question with no third party even seeing the question asked). Also the apps are really available anywhere it seems. So far I haven't heard raging opposition about the EU system in my hackspace either.
I'm carefully optimistic about this, as long as they keep the ZKP system.
Ype Kingma
in reply to Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 • • •@Natanox @onepict
There is indeed reason for some optimism, especially when sth like this is a minimum baseline for privacy.
This is already in actual use:
yivi.app/
github.com/privacybydesign
Yivi - Jouw digitale identiteit in één app
YiviM Schommer
in reply to Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 • • •Maybe the usual hackspace crowd don't rage because they're too old and too uninformed?
@onepict @EUCommission
Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
in reply to M Schommer • • •Plan-A̵̛͈̬̥̿͋̓͛̕
in reply to Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 • • •Natanox 🇺🇦🇵🇸
in reply to Plan-A̵̛͈̬̥̿͋̓͛̕ • • •@zer0unplanned @onepict For EU that's unlikely, it's in the interest of both the EU governments as well as citizens for the official eID system to be used. Places like US, UK and Australia already do the other nonsense, but they know those other systems are garbage and constantly circumvented. It's more likely they might be interested in the EU app, perhaps to fork it.
Likewise it's unlikely the EU is interested in the nonsense OS laws the US is dabbling in for multiple reasons.
Ben Todd
in reply to European Commission • • •Age Verification Apps will do zero to help keep children safe. If a technology is being heavily lobbied by Mark Zuckerberg at Meta and Sam Altman at OpenID is a big red flag. Didn't you learn anything from Brexit and the Cambridge Analytica scandal!!!
If you really want to keep children safe you would keep pressure on the US to release the Epstein files and prosecute all the pedophiles involved in it.
Kai und der Andere 🎗️
in reply to European Commission • • •Liars!
Here, i'll fix it for you:
It has nothing to do with children. It doesn't help children. It doesn't help parents raise any children.
❌ Made to render any kind of privacy impossible
❌ Works on almost no device
❌ Impossible to use, without ties to unethical big tech apple and google
✅ Fully open source
edit: reported for deliberately and knowingly spreading misinformation.
Dmitry Bartoshevich
in reply to European Commission • • •The proposal raises fundamental concerns that remain unanswered.
The comparison to offline age checks is misleading: online verification is inherently scalable, leaves digital traces, and can enable tracking.
In practice, this is not just age verification, but a layer of digital identification with clear risks of future expansion.
BTW, where is the evidence that age verification actually improves children’s safety?
Henrik Pauli
in reply to European Commission • • •schrotthaufen
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in reply to European Commission • • •H4Heights 🇪🇺🇵🇸🇺🇦🇨🇦
in reply to European Commission • • •This is a terrible idea dreamt up by lazy, wilfully ill-informed ministers.
onterof
in reply to European Commission • • •works on any device ❌ - only Android, Apple with corresponding accounts, so yes vendor lock in and platform dependent.
Highest privacy standards in the world ❌ - Not really, considering it requires face scanning. Also only pseudonymity no anonymity is guaranteed, so the same platform can easily link transactions.
What's the point in building another US-dependency that doesn't even solve any problems, as it's obviously not enforceable and also trivial to circumvent.
Andreas
Unknown parent • • •@kristoff
Why do something that doesn't work, solves nothing, allows tracking and implements a system that is just one step away of the Chinese social score system - in an environment where Nazis/right wing parties are on the rise?
Konstantin Weddige
in reply to European Commission • • •Jernej Simončič �
in reply to European Commission • • •Luboš Račanský
in reply to European Commission • • •EU's New Age Verification App Can Be Hacked Within 2 Minutes, Researchers Claim
Guru Baran (Cyber Security News)Rex Banner
in reply to European Commission • • •Giovanni Petri
in reply to European Commission • •@European Commission
no, please
Arnaud Launay
in reply to European Commission • • •there is no way any electronic scanning device will my near my ID papers. ABSO-FUCKING-NO.
Get your privacy mind on that. ID theft is real, every day, and that is just helping them.
David P
in reply to European Commission • • •Your real world shop analogy never works, stop using it.
Shopkeepers sight physical IDs and nothing is ever exposed to the internet and nothing is ever in danger of being stolen or breached by cybercriminals.
Once biometrics are lost, you can't just change them like a password.
🍉Karl☭Skalidin🌱
in reply to European Commission • • •Steffo
in reply to European Commission • • •Sensitive content
European Digital Identity
GitHubHibou Chachara
in reply to European Commission • • •The existing law is ignored by malicious actors, including major platforms. This one will be too, but will cost millions in parterships with local agencies and third-party consultants, all with our money.
Please stop create new gatekeeping.
Enforce the law.
Li ~ Crystal System
in reply to European Commission • • •João Tiago Rebelo (NAFO J-121)
Unknown parent • • •The proposed app is just the backend (zero knowledge is just the best solution for a problem that the EU created), every EU member state will have it's own IDapp, and that's where most problems with privacy and safety will show up (the Google-Apple duopoly limitation, the PII leaks, etc.).
David-T
in reply to European Commission • • •sarah tonin
in reply to European Commission • • •then what about queer children living in homophobic families ? what about if a child is a victim of abuse at home ? should we let them in harmful environments with no way of getting support or help or information until they are 18 ?
and, it's not like as soon as someone turns 18 that they magically become wise and smart and everything is good. the issues kids face online are also faced by adults, wouldn't it be more productive to regulate platforms and require proper moderation and tagging instead ?
Plan-A̵̛͈̬̥̿͋̓͛̕
in reply to European Commission • • •@European Commission
Are you our children parents? This is taken out of context for PR reasons and it's the big tech industries or corporations that you name 'Platforms' that must take their responsibility, not the whole population even the ones without children.
This is discriminating and fascist style of merge the state with big Corps made by your own.
A crowd control system more in Big Brother Society , in fact Privacy is a Human Right!!!! So those platforms you say have to respect that and not make new rules and laws by those that were not elected.
I live in this Country but people from another Country make the laws as long they elected??? and elected by who? Do 1 of those a general election over whole EU as majority? No
Plan-A̵̛͈̬̥̿͋̓͛̕
in reply to Plan-A̵̛͈̬̥̿͋̓͛̕ • • •meles
in reply to European Commission • • •Ciarán O'Brien
in reply to European Commission • • •David O'Callaghan
in reply to Ciarán O'Brien • • •@Sarklor
Here you go
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Paul Moore - Security Consultant (@Paul_Reviews)
Nitterzipkid - Breaker of Systems
Unknown parent • • •@ePD5qRxX
Drew wants a longer profile na
in reply to European Commission • • •"Works on any device"
Does it work on properly free phones - PostMarketOS, LineageOS, GrapheneOS, /e/os? Does it work on ANYTHING that's not tied to the Google, Apple or Microsoft surveillance empires?
For that matter, does it work on desktop Linux systems such as Fedora, Mint, Arch, for people who do not have smartphones?
I bet I know the answer to both questions.
What a joke.
M Schommer
in reply to European Commission • • •It is for the EU to regulate the platforms!
What do we need you for, if you chicken out before Zuckerberg & Co and introduce their lobby ideas instead of enforcing your own regulation against them?!
Andreas
Unknown parent • • •@kristoff
1. Parents/Parenting
2. Kids always find a way
3. Platforms must be regulated in a way that helps/protects _all_ users. No algorithms to keep users "engaged". Act when posts/users are reported. Delete posts that violate law. ...
Blow Flow
in reply to European Commission • • •James
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in reply to European Commission • • •Free Pietje 🇵🇸 🍉
in reply to European Commission • • •> It is for parents to raise their children
Maybe leave it up to the parents to do the parenting? It's not your 'job'.
And the source code is on M$ GitHub.
And I'm sure you've made it dependent on Google's and Apple's software, making yourself even more dependent on the US.
Have you ever considered NOT listening to US Big Tech lobbyists for your 'ideas'?
There are plenty of knowledgeable people in the EU who could give you actual useful suggestions who don't have an agenda.
luca
in reply to European Commission • • •EU failing again to be European, tying European citizens to an App that runs only on the American duopoly of communication.
Moreover, inventing an unnecessary "solution": they could have simply studied what Estonia did, which incidentally is an European member.
Shame on you, for not representing decently us European citizens.
plotters
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in reply to European Commission • • •Eugen Rochko
in reply to European Commission • • •RevK reshared this.
Michel Patrice
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@Gargron @EUCommission
Andreas Neustifter
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Think checking in on what my boys listen to on Spotify. Think maybe whitelisting people in WhatsApp.
I have strong parental controls set up, some apps are too useful to pass over but equally to dangerous in inexperienced hands.
Toot Uncommon Ω
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •iSabreman
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@Gargron If big tech cared about children they would ship devices all set-up day one and not rely on parents navigating the often impossible maze of parental controls.
Basic things often make parental controls worthless. My son had an Amazon tablet with the Outlook app installed but as it had an in app browser it removed all the search restrictions I had set up with the default browser so my son had full access to the internet.
Nick Bohle 🇪🇺
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Plus todays discussion on @hakendran with @gavinkarlmeier and @nicolediekmann and my comments via @texteundbilder .
☁️ Adrenalinda ,,,
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@Gargron with all due respect , it's easy to argue that from a purely observant perspective.
However there is clear evidence, that despite doing their best (and also not, as is always the case) parents are not able to intervene as much as they d wish,even if they know of and have all the tools to, bc there is a clear addiction-pattern instigated by cooperations.
This certainly is where responsible politics come into play.
I understand the objections,but it's not on the parents.
@EUCommission
Eugen Rochko
in reply to ☁️ Adrenalinda ,,, • • •☁️ Adrenalinda ,,,
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@Gargron we both did and frankly it's not the same as it used to be. 😀
And you too know that anecdotal experience is not the same as empirical evidence. ;)
I really understand the objections, and would be in favour of regulating both. Dark patterns and age. Especially since we can do it in an anonymous fashion.
Poul-Henning Kamp
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •What makes you think you can trust the so-called "parental-controls" on those devices ?
Bruce Heerssen
in reply to European Commission • • •Elias Probst
in reply to European Commission • • •"any device" does not apply to:
- HarmonyOS devices
- LineageOS devices
- /e/OS devices
- postmarketOS devices
- GrapheneOS devices
- Linux Laptops
- Android devices of which Google believes they're not worthy to be used
I don't own any of your "any devices", since I prefer to keep Google out of my most personal life and data, I also plan to keep it that way.
Mae
in reply to European Commission • • •> Works on any device
Can it work on a postmarketos phone? Huawei? My laptop? GrapheneOS? LineageOS?
Степан с Сыром 🧀
in reply to European Commission • • •Plan-A̵̛͈̬̥̿͋̓͛̕
in reply to European Commission • • •@European Commission You are endangering people by putting every ones life in a database and we all know one day it will be breached even with your military standards of security. So, I wonder what are you doing??? You care not for the Children that is bs, you never cared about them I remember pointing them to my local authority with no results. You just want control about our every step in life and more to come soon.
Remember one thing, on the internet .. no system is safe.
And you ask us to put ourselves vulnerable. On top spit on Privacy laws and as such human rights law.
Annika Backstrom
in reply to European Commission • • •SecoasecasMouse
in reply to European Commission • • •❤️ It's Gonna Be Maystodon 💚
in reply to European Commission • • •@EUCommission
Adriano
in reply to European Commission • • •"It is for parents to raise their children. Not platforms."
As a parent, I don't want to give my data or my children's data to a platform. I want to parent. Regulate platforms, not parents.
Calicosine
in reply to European Commission • • •Crystal 💾💽📼🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🇺🇦
in reply to European Commission • • •those promises don't worth a dime if there's no meaningful discussion instead just "this is your future, deal with it".
It's like a rapist saying it's not gonna hurt.
inpc
in reply to European Commission • • •So the EU finally cracked 'how to go viral on the fediverse'!
Congrats on that... I think the app is silly and it'll get hacked and everyone loses.
Fun.
Jérémy Pagès
in reply to European Commission • • •Already hacked, you idiots.
I hope the EU will collapse soon.
zipkid - Breaker of Systems
Unknown parent • • •@ePD5qRxX
Plan-A̵̛͈̬̥̿͋̓͛̕
in reply to European Commission • • •Simon Racz
in reply to European Commission • • •Thomas
in reply to European Commission • • •Still not convinced of the need for a technical solution to protecting children online (as opposed to parenting).
However, props to the EU for their open source, cross-platform approach.
I could actually get behind this, if the initial certificate request would be a one time login to a government website, using an eID. Any validation by a 3rd party company would be a no-go.
With the cert. then containing only a boolean, this looks like a rather acceptable idea.
Liam
in reply to European Commission • • •so educate parents and leave it to parents
Devices already have tons of safety tools on them
M
in reply to European Commission • • •furrfu 🇪🇺
in reply to European Commission • • •You need to regulate social media, not Europeans.
And if you make an app, at least make it possible to run without Apple or Google consent. What happened to digital sovereignty?
grob (teeth era) 🇺🇦🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
in reply to European Commission • • •Chris Lowles
in reply to European Commission • • •Jason 🍸🫧
in reply to European Commission • • •Kevin Russell
in reply to European Commission • • •Tofu
in reply to European Commission • • •zipkid - Breaker of Systems
Unknown parent • • •People in homelessness sometimes have no eid. Refugees have no eid. People in poverty don’t have a phone for everyone in the household, or old devices that often can not run the required app. People using an alternative OS on their phone, that may also not be supported.
Probably many more….
@ePD5qRxX
computer_glamour
in reply to European Commission • • •i am just gonna leave it here
Androcat
Unknown parent • • •Sensitive content
And enforce the DSA!!
Beat those platforms black and blue with fines until they make themselves safe.
bovaz
Unknown parent • • •And by "problematic", I don't mean properly CWed adult content or anything like that, but rather platforms designed to be attention black holes.
Rupert Reynolds
in reply to European Commission • • •It restricts everyone young or old, bad or good. And it's been hacked already, so it's so full of holes that it could be marketed as a new European cheese.
Has it occurred to you how much damage is done to people, young and old, whose personal data is exposed by half-baked 'plans' like yours?
Wim🧮
in reply to European Commission • • •Biorreactivo
in reply to Wim🧮 • • •And why the code is in a foreign site (Github), not in EU (e. g. Codeberg)?
Cat!
in reply to European Commission • • •Parents are the people statistically most likely to be a child's abusers, while online resources can offer reprieve and support against abuse.
Why do you love child abuse so much, nonce?
gnu/a1ba
in reply to European Commission • • •>It is for parents to raise their children. Not platforms.
>The European Age Verification App is ready.
It is for parents to raise their children. Not government.
zipkid - Breaker of Systems
Unknown parent • • •@ePD5qRxX
Fabos (not an OS)
in reply to European Commission • • •⛔ mass surveillance tool
⛔ not helping at all
...
Otter-Matic
in reply to European Commission • • •Sensitive content
zipkid - Breaker of Systems
Unknown parent • • •@ePD5qRxX
🕯️Curious Magpie 🕯️
in reply to European Commission • • •#AgeVerification
Tomi the Slav and 1024 others
in reply to European Commission • • •Doin的赛博空间
in reply to European Commission • • •zipkid - Breaker of Systems
Unknown parent • • •So you have the right to decide what app a homeless person can or cannot use.
Also “protecting the kids” is the eternal nazi excuse to control everyone without providing any proof it actually does what they claim.
@ePD5qRxX
Ichinin ✅🎯🙄
in reply to European Commission • • •How about just banning children from the internet instead like a number of countries are doing right now, instead of enforcing a stupid app on the entirety of Europe that will suck for everyone and not work on all OS'es.
If this moronic idea would be put into a referendum, it would be dead and gone within a week. Just because parents don't wanna take their fucking responsibility by putting a mobile phone in the hands of their children, everyone else should not be punished.
Keep the internet free from control.
⁂ Fish Id Wardrobe
in reply to European Commission • • •Faraiwe
in reply to European Commission • • •this is the WRONG decision.
Age verification does not protect children, it donates people's information for interests contrary to their well being, privacy and freedom.
The E.U. Commission completely lost the plot on the whole Internet.
zipkid - Breaker of Systems
Unknown parent • • •@ePD5qRxX
Phil Haigh
in reply to European Commission • • •boosting not because I approve of this, but for visibility that you’re going this route.
It’s the place of platforms to promptly police their content appropriately for each jurisdiction, not to lobby governments to push that responsibility elsewhere.
Strong legislation, strong enforcement, and fines that aren’t just treated as “the cost of doing business” are what is needed.
This app of yours may have its uses, but replacing content moderation with “prove you are 18” is not one of them in my opinion. Especially when this general approach has already resulted in device vendors locking features users have paid for (looking at you, Apple) if they choose not to verify.
Breadly
in reply to European Commission • • •What's this, @EUCommission ?
Are you trying to hide the fact that the European Age Verification App has been vibe-coded with Anthropic's LLM?
github.com/eu-digital-identity…
av-app-android-wallet-ui/.gitignore at main · eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-app-android-wallet-ui
GitHubkarussell
Unknown parent • • •AusweisApp as Open Source Software
www.ausweisapp.bund.deMicha
in reply to European Commission • • •It’s for parents to raise their children, not the European Commission.
Now go regulate platforms and archive this crap on the same pile as chatcontrol.
TheMagicalC
in reply to European Commission • • •porkcow
in reply to European Commission • • •No, I don't want the XBox always online doxxing camera to be installed in my toilet bowl.
Karolina
in reply to European Commission • • •To verify that every adult is an adult, you need to identify every adult. And children will not be protected. Age verification carries consequences that go well beyond its stated purpose.
So wow, thank you for repressing my freedom and creating an infrastructure that can be used to monitor, map, or suppress citizens. In the name of “the poor children”. What a great idea at the same time as fascism is on the rise.
Jonathan Hartley
in reply to European Commission • • •You are exposing to all app publishers which of their users are children. The perfect tool for any app publisher who is a paedophile.
Age verification is a terrible idea and should be completely scrapped.
Simon Roy Hughes 🧌 ⬋⬋⬋
in reply to European Commission • • •The highest privacy standards in the world can be broken in two minutes. Nothing to boast about, really.
politico.eu/article/eu-brussel…
Brussels launched an age checking app. Hackers say it takes 2 minutes to break it.
Émile Marzolf (POLITICO)Ray McCarthy
in reply to Simon Roy Hughes 🧌 ⬋⬋⬋ • • •@SimonRoyHughes
Elephant in room:
"Age checking" is nothing of the sort. It's 100% tracking & surveillance of all adults.
A shop selling alcohol or knives only check ID of some people and in most cases nothing whatsoever is put on computer, especially if you pay cash and don't use a loyalty card.
Sylvhem
in reply to European Commission • • •Evelyn Estelle
in reply to European Commission • • •Aedius Filmania ⚙️🎮🖊️
in reply to European Commission • • •Please don't do that.
We don't need Age Verification, we need education.
Carine Bournez
in reply to European Commission • • •"Just like shops ask for proof of age for people buying alcoholic beverages."
In real life, people can go shopping in a supermarket without an ID. It will be necessary only if they try to buy alcohol.
Generalized age verification to access a platform, whether some content should be restricted or not, is a privacy issue.
Harmful content is harmful also for adults, BTW. Most of it is just illegal activities and platforms should seriously face their own issues.
🌸 lumi-nhac 🌱
in reply to European Commission • • •Davide_Sandini
in reply to European Commission • • •Blind Mapmaker
in reply to European Commission • • •You're burying freedom and celebrate it using the line that was an old dog whistle for reactionary politics even back when The Simpsons took it up in the Nineties - what a travesty!
Yes, parents should raise their children, but do you also know who should raise children: the rest of society! Ever heard of "it takes a village to raise a child"?
Like it or not, society is taking place more in virtual spaces than in physical ones, nowadays. Excluding youths from taking part in discussions that shape society will lead to adults that are ill-prepared to combat fake news and recruitment by the far right.
The corollary is that anybody who is speaking out against those who want to turn our society into an authoritarian one will wary of doing so in online spaces, because every message, every rebuke of a hateful message can ultimately be tracked. I don't care how super-duper your app is, once the enemies of democracy take power, the data will be there and it will be searchable.
Anonymity can be used as a cloak for evil, but more often it is a shield for the vulnerable, a way to speak up without being doxxed and harassed and a way to find information that abusers don't want you to find.
Should we try to make our children safer online? Absolutely, but there are better ways than that, unfortunately, the all cost time and money. Just shooting an app at the problem is easy and low-cost. Invest in education, invest in psychologically trained law-enforcement, invest in holding platforms responsible for their decisions.
PS: I don't have a smartphone and no webcam either. I guess I'll have to stay offline then.
Random Sapiens
in reply to European Commission • • •Brussels launched an age checking app. Hackers say it takes 2 minutes to break it.
Émile Marzolf (POLITICO)Sérgio Machado
in reply to European Commission • • •don’t understand what are we going to reach here… age verification reminds when we are young and want to go to a bar, if we are blocked we workaround and ask someone of age to buy drinks…
How do you intend to do when some pricks decide to stream online a violation at TikTok like unfortunately happens at PT??
Remove all responsibility from the social platform just because of age verification.
The problem of online is the advertising and all about 💰->
Fossery Tech
in reply to European Commission • • •I can't load the linked page without allowing the domain manually because it's in the Amazon spyware blocklist of Safing Portmaster. "Highest privacy standards in the world", right? RIGHT? 😉
social.linux.pizza/@pojntfx@ma…
"Works on any device", right? RIGHT?
Linux.Pizza
social.linux.pizzaFelicitas Pojtinger 🌅
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grayrattus
in reply to European Commission • • •grayrattus
in reply to European Commission • • •mark my words. First they will introduce age verification. Then GPS location based on proximity to open wifi networks.
I actually think about going full TOR. EU is getting Russia standards when it comes to privacy limitation. You should all be ashamed of your work.
Paul L
in reply to European Commission • • •For the age verification, I am sure there will be left overs with impossible accesses... we'll see how big it becomes...
HOWEVER, I find it quite cautious to state that parents are responsible for education and not platforms.
E.g. sometimes they don't perform ideally: youtube.com/watch?v=Jf7JUino5V… (this "In Vitro Veritas" by Les Glands ne savent pas sauter, sorry no other source): A scaring dialogue of improvisation.
Parents can be responsible... with help! E.g. from #teachers .
IN VITRO VERITAS
LES GLANDS NE SAVENT PAS SAUTER (YouTube)Lauma Pret ♡ ᪲᪲᪲🌈
in reply to European Commission • • •Nodami
in reply to European Commission • • •zipkid - Breaker of Systems
Unknown parent • • •Misschien kan je deze thread eens lezen. retro.social/@ajroach42/116420…
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in reply to European Commission • • •amy
in reply to European Commission • • •🏳️🌈🎃🇧🇷Luana🇧🇷🎃🏳️🌈
in reply to European Commission • • •Sensitive content
🌸 lumi-nhac 🌱
in reply to European Commission • • •what would be the best way to get this repealed and age verification banned as a practice?
who do i talk to?
Idoru
in reply to European Commission • • •Nyx Phoenix (new)
in reply to European Commission • • •yes, and it's also up to parents to prevent their children from accessing unwanted content on the internet by setting up filters on the child's device. and to have a conversation about the existence of such things at the appropriate time with the child.
NOT, I REPEAT, NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB. the parent needs to parent their child.
Gavin
in reply to European Commission • • •Governments should spend more time regulating companies like Meta and less time regulating kids.
The problem is the platform's moderation policies, not a teenager's access to information.
tired
in reply to European Commission • • •tired
in reply to European Commission • • •Nils
in reply to European Commission • • •zipkid - Breaker of Systems
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Egbert
in reply to European Commission • • •Back to the drawing table.
heise.de/en/news/EU-age-verifi…
EU age verification app: "Worry-free package" with security vulnerabilities
Stefan Krempl (heise online)Lorraine Lee
in reply to Merlin Makes • • •Wildeng
in reply to European Commission • • •I do really hope you're going to fix the vulnerabilities found by researchers. More, given that this is a blueprint app, will the single state implementation be open source? Because I'd like them to be verifiable by the public, and not closed source
https://cybersecuritynews.com/eus-age-verification-app/?ck_subscriber_id=3601271528&utm_source=convertkit&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=📨%20Cè%20lapplicazione%20Europea%20per%20la%20Verifica%20delletà.%20E%20fa%20schifo.%20%20~%20Denkschule%20-%2021429917&sh_kit=d6ff567f271a6d9e5d6a6c0050300bb85196dcce02092256714dc01b6f9573a3
EU's New Age Verification App Can Be Hacked Within 2 Minutes, Researchers Claim
Guru Baran (Cyber Security News)Edward Cage
in reply to European Commission • • •And it's not our smartphones' job to control us. It's actually the opposite: they're our property so WE control THEM.
The idea of our machines checking our age is completly unacceptable.
Get your hands off our hardware.
Seb 🇺🇦
in reply to European Commission • • •Who are you working for ? European people or FACEBOOK ?
EikeZiegler
in reply to European Commission • • •trying to tick boxes ..
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- [ ] "works on every device " ?
are you sure ?
what if i got only fdroids apps on my phone
(no google PLAY-store or any coporate_tools)
do you got flatpak or the AppImage
maybe availability for linux as e.g. #CoMaps
comaps.app/download/
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- [-] safe ?
.. i heard it was easily cracked , .. any comment ?
info to appimage
blog.mikihands.com/de/whitedec…
Linux AppImage: Desktop‑Anwendungen mit einer einzigen Datei verteilen
whitedec (MIKI BLOG)Mario
in reply to European Commission • • •Shops ask for proof of age when buying alcoholic beverages for single use only. They don't request, retain, process or share a copy of your passport, address, contact details or any other personal information to use in own benefit.
You would not allow the shops to take a copy of your ID, the same like you would never give Apple a copy of your ID for the pretext of "age verification"
#digitalID #privacy #ageVerification #sovereignty #control #corruption #humanRights #naturalLaw