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Modern Italian culture is rife with burning old women in effigy as witches or evil crones. But now it's reached my Presepe and I'm really pissed!

Apparently the washerwoman (or midwife!) attending the Virgin in the Neapolitan tradition, while porting a litany of other symbols, is also associated with the Devil in disguise, trying to keep Mary from giving birth to the Christ.

Now, I'd welcome a kinky demon outright to my manger scene, but the guise of an old woman is pure misogyny. Again.

in reply to Tarnport

I may just lean fully into the trope this year.

You want a devil-crone expert in detecting virginity? Check. Not sure she does washing, though.

in reply to Tarnport

that's wild. They're still under the spell of the Catholic Church's 16th century witchcraft propaganda?
in reply to Thomas

well yes but also the traditions like the Befana may predate Christianity. It's all very murky and the first time you mention it (as here) you get huge pushback but at this point I'm confident in saying it's a strong current. Ask any teen.
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@Tarnport

Have you double check this information? Because I'd never heard about a devil/witch in the presepe.

I'll also double check on my side because both my parents and my grandparents were from Benevento, which is known as "the city of witches" but I discovered that only ten years ago. Just to say that my family wasn't so good at telling me about witches 😁

in reply to Max - Poliverso 🇪🇺🇮🇹

I am awed by this info. I know quite a bit about Benevento and witches! I actually started a novel about it set in 1642 (unfinished). What a great heritage.

About the Presepe it's pretty solid info for some quarters but the tradition varies obv and more importantly has been sanitized, so it doesn't show up a lot. Here's a link:
associazionesancumano.com/2023…

This isn't definitive, just an example I had open in a tab. Here the devil-woman is at the Annunciation instead and recognized by a hoof!

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@Tarnport

Nice to know.

If you have the chance to visit Benevento you should reserve an hour to visit the museum of the "Janara" (that's the name of Benevento witch).

There are a few young people (I guess anthropologists or something like that) that collected information about all that story and set up a little exhibition.

museionline.info/musei/janua-m…

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There even is a whole medieval story about two midwives, one who believes in the Virginity of Mary and one who doubts and is punished.
sanctanomina.net/2015/03/11/th…
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in reply to Abie

@temptoetiam I appreciate this even more! Thanks again. And I know someone to send this to, too
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@Tarnport I'm reading and I'm discovering another presepe... I didn't know there were so many demonic presences!

In a month I'll go to Benevento to an old aunt of mine, I want to ask her, she should know... 😁