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Introducing the Open Science Network 🔬
We're thrilled to be part of this initiative dedicated to building open and federated digital spaces to push the boundaries of open science and scholarly communication.
🔗 Explore more on the website: openscience.network
📢 Dive into the details in our announcement blog post: bonfirenetworks.org/posts/open…

@brembs @UlrikeHahn @jorge @open_science
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Open source meets open science - announcing the Open Science Network initiative

We’re excited to present the Open Science Network initiative, a first step towards open and federated digital spaces designed to push the boundaries of open science and scholarly communication.

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#openscience @Jorge Saturno @Björn Brembs @Ulrike Hahn @open_science group

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Julian Fietkau

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I'm into it. 👍

Going by the website, it looks like ORCID itself isn't (yet?) officially involved with this project. I'm guessing you're using their API.

I've recently been thinking about a potential project to make ORCID records ActivityPub-followable, to keep up to date about colleagues who don't personally use the fediverse yet. Does that sound interesting? Are there ethical concerns? There used to be at least one ORCID-to-RSS service but it's been dead for a while.

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Bonfire

in reply to Julian Fietkau • 11 mesi fa • •

@julian Great idea!

Our prototype enables users to create a federated ORCID account by linking it to Bonfire, so others can follow and receive their latest publications. To make any/all ORCID records AP-followable, a direct collaboration with ORCID would be ideal. This could ensure a unique canonical federated account per researcher and a way for people to "claim" it when joining the fediverse, including the migration of previous followers.

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Björn Brembs

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@julian
Hmm, I used to know some people at ORCID. Let me check if they are still there...

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Nicolas Fressengeas

in reply to Björn Brembs • 11 mesi fa • •

If it helps, I am on ORCID board. This indeed sounds very interesting.
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Björn Brembs

in reply to Nicolas Fressengeas • 11 mesi fa • •

@fresseng @julian
I did see that, when I looked, just now.
Excellent! Would be great to hear that something may be moving in thi direction!

P.S.: This would sort of remind me of FriendFeed, where we could subscribe to the RSS feeds of friends who, in turn, assembled their feeds from their various contributions. Would be wonderful to recover some of that previous functionality we have been missing for so long.

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Nicolas Fressengeas

in reply to Björn Brembs • 11 mesi fa • •

I have to think about it, but I could liaise with ORCID product team. I still have to understand exactly what for exactly. I have the feeling they would be interested.
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Julian Fietkau

in reply to Nicolas Fressengeas • 11 mesi fa • •

@fresseng If ORCID is willing to have this under their aegis, I think I could come up with an implementation to make ORCID records AP-followable, at least as a prototype. My own ActivityPub work is kind of early stage and I don't have much experience scaling things up, but we could test something with an early-adopter community, see if it makes sense, and then maybe rearchitect with @bonfire. 🙂

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Diagram centered around "orcid.org (existing)" and "ap.orcid.org (new & shiny)"

orcid.org:
- ORCID record data
- existing ORCID API

ap.orcid.org:
- ActivityPub actor records, follower data etc.
- individual publications available as "posts"

Arrow from orcid.org to ap.orcid.org:
- ORCID record data for AP-requested records
- WebFinger redirect ("split-domain" AP)

Arrow from ap.orcid.org to orcid.org:
- requests for publication data whenever a record is followed for the first time
- info on followers, likes/reposts etc. to show on ORCID record website if desired

Advantages of this approach:
- ORCID records could be searchable and followable on the fediverse under the WebFinger schema "@0000-0001-2345-6789@orcid.org" with no changes needed to the existing ORCID website
- ORCID record owners would be followable on the fediverse without making a microblogging account, but could "claim" their ORCID followers and move them to their Mastodon or Bonfire etc. account when they create one
- ORCID AP service would run separately and could be scaled according to usage
- Update feed formats other than ActivityPub (e.g. RSS) would be a free side effect (if desired by ORCID)

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Bonfire

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@julian

Let's schedule a call to discuss how to best collaborate on this?

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Julian Fietkau

in reply to Bonfire • 11 mesi fa • •

I'm super in favor of having you there for the project exploration with ORCID, since you've already done the work of converting ORCID records (via their API) to ActivityPub actors, which I'd describe as the only challenging technical part of my proposal. The rest is all about getting the right people together and in agreement that this is a worthwhile project.

Since @fresseng suggested moving to email, wanna ping me at julian@fietkau.me? I'll CC you for my opening mail.

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jonny (good kind)

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@julian @fresseng
O ya as said above we basically got this
github.com/sneakers-the-rat/pa…

GitHub - sneakers-the-rat/paper-feeds: A FastAPI web server for creating RSS feeds for scholarly journals with the magic of adversarial interoperability

A FastAPI web server for creating RSS feeds for scholarly journals with the magic of adversarial interoperability - sneakers-the-rat/paper-feeds

^GitHub

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manisha

in reply to Bonfire • 11 mesi fa • •

this looks great and very promising! some of us at neuromatch.social #neuromatchstodon are definitely interested in joining as a pilot community. we'll be in touch!

#neuromatchstodon

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Bonfire

in reply to manisha • 11 mesi fa • •

@manisha sounds great! We have been in touch with @jonny but we didn’t yet find the time for having a proper discussion 😀 looking forward to make it happen!

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Newsmast Foundation

in reply to Bonfire • 11 mesi fa • •

Wow! This looks great, congratulations 🎉

It's great to see fact-based knowledge being promoted on the Fediverse 🧡

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marcelcosta

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Hey! This looks very interesting! I have joined as an opencollective supporter (not much, but stable).

I'll be waiting for some initial pilot 😀

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Bonfire

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@marcelcosta ❤️
@jorge

@Jorge Saturno @marcelcosta

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Jorge Saturno

in reply to marcelcosta • 11 mesi fa • •

@marcelcosta gracias Marcel! Very much appreciated! 💛

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Ashley Reynolds

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is there a way to sign up for email or RSS updates on this project? I am not consistently active on social media

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friendica (DFRN) - Collegamento all'originale

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@Ashley Reynolds each Fediverse account can be followed via an RSS feed. To follow the Bonfire account from your feed reader, you can use this address

https://indieweb.social/@bonfire.rss

and, since only messages published directly are subscribed to and not those re-shared, I recommend you also follow the one at @ivan

https://social.coop/@bernini.rss

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@notizie @bernini @ashinonyx
You can also follow our blog at bonfirenetworks.org/feed/feed.… (and a blog will soon be added on the Open Science Network site)

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Ashley Reynolds

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thank you! I might suggest adding a link to the feed at the top of your blog/news page, if that’s not too much trouble. I expect other people would also appreciate being able to follow along that way.

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@Ashley Reynolds @Bonfire

Say, it might be a good idea. In fact, keep in mind that mine is not a mastodon account but a Friendica account and Friendica profiles work differently than those of mastodon. If you want my user's feed, the address is this:

Friendica RSS Feed
- The messages
[s]/s]https://poliverso.org/feed/notizie/
- comments
https://poliverso.org/feed/notizie/comments
- the timeline
https://poliverso.org/feed/notizie/activity

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Ashley Reynolds

in reply to Poliverso - notizie dal Fediverso ⁂ • 11 mesi fa • •

@notizie I did not know you could do this! Thank you!

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The Viking

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Seems like you're trying to do similar things than scholar.nexus/ ?

Scholar Nexus

^{scholar.nexus}

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Bonfire

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interesting project! seems we share a similar sense of urgency and some objectives, one of the main difference afaik is that they're developing a centralized platform while we aim to develop digital spaces that each scientific community / org / university / etc can install, govern and use to connect with the rest of the fediverse ?
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Ulrike Hahn

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@GunnarBlohm
and the digital space we envision covers more than just 'publishing'...

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Dan Goodman

in reply to Bonfire • 10 mesi fa • •

@GunnarBlohm we definitely want Scholar Nexus to be a federated / decentralised system, but with two caveats. Firstly, we know that many scientists now will find this unfamiliar and possibly slightly scary, and so we want there to be - at least at first - a very feature complete reference version that we expect the majority to use, with the overlapping federated parts likely to be more important down the line (but absolutely built in from the start). Secondly, we want rigorous archival guarantees for all content, and I think this implies at least some centralisation in the sense that there would be an organisation - composed of member research institutions around the world - that would define what was taken to be archival, and guarantee that it will be stored (and duplicated across member orgs). I think both of these are likely to be considered essential features for many scientists. But, if you agree and already have it in mind to do something like this, or at least to support it as one use case, then we'd definitely be interested in discussing more!

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bioinformatician_next_door

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@neuralreckoning @GunnarBlohm
For better interoperability of the archival guarantees I would suggest using:
#IPFS and
#solid #pods
solidproject.org/about
with the integration of
#noosphere knowledge graphs

github.com/subconsciousnetwork…

All together these can provide strong security/transparency and "easily" moving data from server to server (Considering that scientists change institutions).

About Solid · Solid

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Bonfire

in reply to bioinformatician_next_door • 10 mesi fa • •

@bioinformatician_next_door @neuralreckoning @GunnarBlohm worth also looking at nanopublication ( cc. @knowledgepixels @ronent )

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bioinformatician_next_door

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@chartgerink
maybe you can discuss how #ResearchEquals can be on the same network too

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qeef

in reply to Bonfire • 10 mesi fa • •

Oh, I almost believed you. Then I found out your source code is on GitHub. Sorry, but if you are serious about your mission of openness, you are on Codeberg or Sourcehut.

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Bonfire

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@qeef

That’s a fair point. We’re on Github for historical reasons (before being forked to became Bonfire the project was hosted on the open-source Gitlab before migrating away, here was our reasoning at the time: web.archive.org/web/2021012501…. We’re eager to migrate to a federation-enabled forge as soon as one is available (there are several teams working of ActivityPub implementations)

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Statement on GitLab

An explanation as to why we’re planning to move MoodleNet off gitlab.com

^MoodleNet

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Dan Goodman

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very interested to see where this goes. Pushes all my (good) buttons.

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