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Proton is a honey pot. If you are using it as an activist you should think twice about what its actually providing you.

404 Media

2026-03-05 21:01:06

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A court record reviewed by 404 Media shows privacy-focused email provider Proton Mail handed over payment data related to a Stop Cop City email account to the Swiss government, which handed it to the FBI.

404media.co/proton-mail-helped…


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wakest ⁂
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heres the full article behind the paywall archive.ph/gx6U4 (yes I know archive.today has some serious issues too, but I don't have a better source to unpaywall links yet)
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hipgnose
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I think in this case every email provider would need to comply to local laws and give the same data, right? Because they can't operate with credit card without read access to this data.

I remember Mullvad had nice alternative payment options, but I can't see how a credit card payment would be different there for example, but I don't know if i'm missing something

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wakest ⁂
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@hipgnose they advertise themselves as a Security and Privacy product to people who then think it is SAFE for them to give personal data to Proton cause they are a "privacy respecting" email provider. There is ways to make money without collecting peoples credit card info and assigning it to the registered account. This is why projects like njal.la exist

Njalla — Worlds most notorious privacy provider for domains, VPS' and VPNs.

Njalla — Considered the worlds most notorious &quote;Privacy as a Service&quote; provider for domains, VPS' and VPNs.
njal.la
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shadowwwind
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and they do provide cash and crypto payment options.
They never claimed to provide anonymity
proton.me/blog/how-to-send-an-…

How to send an anonymous email

Learn how to send an email as anonymously as possible using Proton Mail, SimpleLogin, and a VPN or Tor.
Richie Koch (Proton)
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wakest ⁂
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@shadowwwind @hipgnose i'm sorry but thats bullshit, they claim they are the most trusted secure email provider and go on and on about how much you can trust them proton.me/mail/security this says absolutely nothing about what they do with your credit card data after they trick you into signing up for a pro account. if they are advertising themselves as trusted by journalists and they they proudly hand over personal data about their users to the feds they are predatory...

How Safe is Proton Mail? Security Features Explained

Proton Mail provides security features that no other secure email service has, including end-to-end email encryption, self-destructing messages and more.
Proton
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shadowwwind
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@hipgnose trusted and secure still isn't anonymous. The never claim to not know who you are, just to protect your content. No email content changed hands here
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shadowwwind
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@hipgnose their TOS " Njalla reserves the right to provide relevant authorities, governmental bodies, courts or other similar institutions with any information mentioned under section 6.1 above about you in case of violation of section 4.2 above. "
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wakest ⁂
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@shadowwwind @hipgnose yes they are also a business that has to "follow the law". I would be interested to know what information they do save on their accounts, and I would also be critical of them if they start handing over personal data like proton does and still make the claims they make. they are also very upfront about accepting payment that you can set up not tied to a government name and getting the full thing they offer
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shadowwwind
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huh, proton also only handed data after haven gotten a valid Swiss court order, they had to follow the law. And as far as I understood the statement of the proton person, they also only handed the data to Swiss officials and they gave it the fbi
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Proton doxxed @defendATLforest directly to the Swiss authorities which then handed the information directly to the FBI. The police have KILLED people defending the forest there. Tortuguita died for this movement en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_…

Killing of environmental activist in Georgia, United States

Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)
@Defend the Atlanta Forest
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The Final Straw Radio
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proton appears less a honeypot than a business that operates in legal jurisdictions under a TOS, required to give info they have to governments during investigations.
Movements and individuals shouldn't consider info they give up safe to such a project (payment info, legal IDs, contact info).
Such concerns require services where anonymous payment is possible or no payment is required
This thread gives some smart challenges to the question of security v useability
bsky.app/profile/activistcheck…
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If people think that a Swiss email provider would break Swiss law and have managers jailed to protect customers anonymity, that people should be blamed not the email provider.

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