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The fact that we even have to fucking try to convince you to do the right thing is disgusting. What the fuck happened to you? Was it always just lip service? A fucking “unique selling point?” If not, pick a fucking side. It shouldn’t be too damn hard when one of those sides is fascism.

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JustAFrog

in reply to Aral Balkan • 2 settimane fa • •

Meta really went all-in on the "new reality" of mainstream fascism.

They explicitly permit harassment of queer folk, and explicitly reject facts.

There's no way to cleverly interpret that.

It's just 100% awful.

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Abbey

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seems like I started my own instance just in time 🤨

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William B Peckham

in reply to Aral Balkan • 2 settimane fa • •

I don't know who you think you're talking to, but you should be talking to the administrator of your Mastodon site. Each individual site has an individual administrator and that administrator is the one who can decide to allow or block on their site. If they all choose to block, then we don't have to deal with that. If yours doesn't, you might have to move to another site with an administrator who won't put up with this.

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Aral Balkan

in reply to William B Peckham • 2 settimane fa • •

@wbpeckham The person I’m talking to knows who I’m talking to; and those who know what I’m referring to do as well 😀 (And I run my own instance, which, of course, blocks Threads and has done so from Day 1.)

@William B Peckham

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William B Peckham

in reply to Aral Balkan • 2 settimane fa • •

I am very glad your instance is blocking threads. Your post did not make it at all clear who you were referring to or if you even knew who should take the actions you were recommending. And posting it that way, there's no guarantee that other admins will necessarily see it. I hope they do.

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Bokko

in reply to Aral Balkan • 2 settimane fa • •

o right, the classic "either you do what I want or you are the devil" pretty sure there is no other way for it to be, or reasons for not taking certain actions.

You can only be one! The good or the evil! The world is only black or white!

Damn this kind of arguments are so ridiculous.

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Bokko

in reply to Bokko • 2 settimane fa • •

have you ever considered if its better to have community notes or to have a corpo have a private team controlled by it who is watching what can be posted or not?

Because in the orange clown era, maybe its better to be able to go against the flow freely.

Never thought on what could happen if suddenly that "facts team" switches his mind and decides that you can not say that genres are not only binary or that same marriage sex is a right that must be protected. Then what?

Give me freedom.

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David

in reply to Bokko • 2 settimane fa • •

@Bokko op isn’t even talking about that, it’s about the community guidelines update giving free reign to attack lgtb people.

If you defend that, congrats, you’re the problem op is talking about.

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Bokko

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@davtun I dont defend that, I defend the freedom to say whatever you want. First because I rather spot that kind of people directly, second because the implication of not letting that is the issue I'm explaining, yielding the power to a corpo that can change (and its doing it) what they consider appropiate or not, sorry I'm not ok with that kind of power for them. And third, I remember the times when the censored were the ones you try to defend.

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Aral Balkan

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@Bokko @davtun Your right to free speech doesn’t extend to the right to question the existence of others. That’s fascism. Your right to free speech also doesn’t constitute a right to make anyone listen. And if a Nazi bar takes up shop next door, you sure as hell protect your patrons from it instead of laying down a red carpet. And now, you may go away.

@David @Bokko

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Aral Balkan

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@DarkSheepArts @HarriettMB I’ve seen no such statement from mastodon.social. AFAIK, they are still federating with Meta/Threads.

techcrunch.com/2025/01/08/mast…

Mastodon CEO calls Meta's moderation changes 'deeply troubling,' warns users cross-posting from Threads | TechCrunch

Mastodon CEO Eugen Rochko has spoken out about the significant moderation changes announced by Meta on Tuesday, which will see the social networking giant

^{Sarah Perez (TechCrunch)}

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Aral Balkan

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@DarkSheepArts @HarriettMB Yes stux’s servers have defederated.

I’m talking about the largest Mastodon instance, mastodon.social, owned and controlled by Mastodon gGmbH.

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Hugs4friends ♾🇺🇦 🇵🇸😷

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I am so glad my instance defederated and blocked threads very early in the piece. I also blocked mastodon dot social. I hope that any friends I had there will get off it now.

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Aral Balkan

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@DarkSheepArts @HarriettMB No worries 😀

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Cassandrich

in reply to Aral Balkan • 2 settimane fa • •

Give them a little time. The momentum is there and I suspect they'll be convinced before long.

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Aral Balkan

in reply to Cassandrich • 2 settimane fa • •

@dalias They need to be convinced? Why do they need to be convinced? What kind of person needs to be convinced when faced with this?

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David

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Whatever is the name of Mastodon creator and mastodon.social owner is a fuckerberg wannabe. 🤮🤮🤮

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David

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@rober I don't remember if you defederated threads finally?

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Roberto

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@DBG3D No lo hicimos, pero vamos a revisar esa decisión dada la nueva política.

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Lyle Solla-Yates

in reply to Aral Balkan • 2 settimane fa • •

“bad and ugly”, new corporate motto?

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Amoshias

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"complete and utter betrayal" is insane. You need some perspective.

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Aral Balkan

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@Amoshias You need to keep the fuck out of my mentions. Here, let me help.

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javi

in reply to Aral Balkan • 2 settimane fa • •

The idea of individually moderate accounts from an instance that it's 100x bigger than .social is ludicrous. Threads have made it very clear they are not different from a random Nazi mastodon instance, but they are still getting first class treatment

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FediThing 🏳️‍🌈

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@javi
Exactly, it's just not practical. If they federate with Threads, the hate will get through.

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Rémi du Nord

in reply to Aral Balkan • 2 settimane fa • •

if I understood correctly, @Gargron wants to maintain the link with #Threads so people can migrate to Mastodon and keep their contacts

mastodon.social/@Gargron/11379…

Eugen Rochko

2025-01-08 18:53:01

@davidaugust Yes. Sadly the interoperability on Threads' side is still lacking in this aspect, and they cannot move accounts between servers like Mastodon users can. However, at least those who migrate can re-follow their Threads contacts manually to help them make the transition to Mastodon. Maintaining interoperability from our side is important to enable this.

#threads @Eugen Rochko

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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

in reply to Aral Balkan • 2 settimane fa • •

ok, devil's advocate here. Please hear me out.

I personally don't use any Meta product anymore for all the reasons mentioned and more. However, I administer two instances now. Both federating with Threads.

We are here in the #Fediverse, and can see other servers thanks to the #ActivityPub standard.

I also own many domains and run at least a dozen websites running on HTTP standards of course.

There are *a lot* of illegal websites out there. There are even more websites with questionable content including, twitter, facebook, instagram, but also stuff like porn sites, hate sites, nazi sites, spambots, all the rest.

But are my websites compromised by simply existing on the same network without explicit action from day one? Is CBC.ca a lesser organization because it is on the same Internet as pornhub.com and doesn't actively block content from that domain until something actually occurs?

This is how the world wide web has always worked, so why would the open social web be any different?

So bringing this back to Threads (and eventually Bluesky as I think it'll end up in the same place)…. is a Fediverse instance automatically lesser because it exists on the same network as Threads and doesn't actively block content from them until there is cause to do so?

I see maybe 4 or 5 posts from people on Threads in a day on my personal feed. I thought at first that Threads content might overwhelm my public feeds on my server, but it hasn't. What I have seen is not abusive or problematic in any way, it's just normal content.

If at some point the posts emanating from Threads is so overwhelmed with problematic content that it impacts the well being of users on my servers, then of course it would be my responsibility to take action, from banning to outright domain block.

But today? Zuck’s change of policy has had zero impact and there remains good content from people on Threads.

#activitypub #fediverse

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Aral Balkan

in reply to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 • 2 settimane fa • •

@chris OK, so your basic argument is that federating with a server has nothing to do with moderating your own server.

So am I correct that the servers you run do not block any other servers. That they federate with all servers? (That they haven’t defederated any servers?)

Including ones that are known to host child sexual abuse material?

(After all, by your argument, there is child sexual abuse material on the web and there always has been.)

If not (and I sure as hell hope not and that you do at least implement the basic block lists), then you’re saying that you do have a line. But that Threads does not cross your line by allowing people to call LGBTQ+ folks “mentally ill” and women “property”.

And that, there, is the problem.

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Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸

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“OK, so your basic argument is that federating with a server has nothing to do with moderating your own server.”

Not at all. As I said “If at some point the posts emanating from Threads is so overwhelmed with problematic content that it impacts the well being of users on my servers, then of course it would be my responsibility to take action, from banning to outright domain block.”

If Threads was a 100 or even 1000 person instance on the Fediverse that had a policy like Zuck announced and the majority of those users took 'full advantage’ by posting nothing but disgusting, harrassing, illegal stuff… then sure, domain block is super easy and services like IFTAS are very useful in automatically blocking those types of servers.

Has IFTAS blocked Threads? no.

Why?

Likely because we're talking about a server with *millions* of users.

And based on the content coming from that server, there has been nothing of concern *yet*. If someone comes along from Threads with an anti-LGBTQ statement then obviously that is a concern, first on an individual level and then, if it continues, or spreads, on a domain level.

I haven't seen that, and the mere *possibility* through a policy change (which isn't in effect in Canada apparently) isn't enough when you're dealing with such a vast base.

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Aral Balkan

in reply to Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 • 2 settimane fa • •

@chris Ok, Chris, so that’s one way of looking at it.

The other way is that when some fucking organisation says the things that Meta has said about LGBTQ+ people and women, and you’re a bloody ally, you act like it. Or, if you’re cool with it, and you aren’t an ally, people who aren’t cool with you being cool with this fascist shit can take action.

So, demonstration: I’m not cool with you being cool with Meta’s fascist shit and I’m blocking you. Do you see how fucking simple it is to take a fucking stand for what’s right?

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Marcel Bootsman

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It's blocked on toot.re.

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Horniest elven being

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I fail to see the betrayal, we've known for years that Gargon is just another project dictator, that he does not care about protecting the community, although most of the big contributors and moderators of masto (and forks like glitch.soc or pleroma) are LGBT+ people. None of them where ever paid well, all moderation tools and enhancement request have been flat out refused or just left on read (as only His Majesty can validate pull requests).
Gargon is a piece of shit and is problem with twitter and shit is not that he does not like it, it's that he is not the one possessing it. He's just another Musk like guy, he only cares for what makes him feel good, others don't matter.

I think that the time to defederate with mastodon.social (and their secondary serv which name I can't remember) has already happened a while ago, those kind of signals have been here countless time already, gargon is not gonna change any time soon and so are his policies.

No animosity towards anyone other than him in this toot though, I feel that it sounds aggressive so I'd rather say that this was definitely not my goal, I'm just so tired of this shit.

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