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Dear Fedi friends,

I'm pretty fired up exposing the ridiculousness of #WSocial, a new social network purported to be a European alternative to X that launched at Davos (yikes).

The French press devoted many articles to it (meanwhile: crickets about the Fediverse).

Before I go full steam ahead grabbing domain names and creating a web site that shows the weaknesses of W / suggests to check out the Fediverse instead, I want to put it to you: should I do it?

  • Yes go ahead! I fully support this (77%, 559 votes)
  • I'm not sure (8%, 61 votes)
  • No, it's not worth it (14%, 106 votes)
726 voters. Poll end: 1 giorno fa

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

I think that we need more "why/how you should join the Fediverse" rather than "why you should not use platform X, Y, W".

We (as in: the internet) spoke loudly about why not using certain type of softwares and platform and it didn't really made a substantial difference.

I think we need to focus on bringing people (and make them stay) here rather than scare them about another software or platform.

in reply to Ed il Casoncello

@ed I politely ask why not both? A centralized system could be better if there are no drawbacks. We know that there no such thing as a free lunch, so we should explain that on top of fediverse advantages.
in reply to Ed il Casoncello

@ed
@_elena

I could not agree more. The Fediverse has to convince the folks to come here not blaming other services that we even don't really know, yet.

Instead we are welcoming new folks with arguing why they have chosen the wrong Fediverse SW instead of the much better other SW. This is scaring away so many new users, and would be worth to work on.

We should keep proving that we are better not claiming that other solutions are worse.

in reply to Ed il Casoncello

@ed this. 100% this.

Elena, je comprends ton exaspération mais pour répondre à la question, tu te fatigues pour rien. Surtout maintenant.

Au bout d'une vingtaine d'année de militantisme sur ces sujets. J'en conclue qu'il est vain de dissuader les gens aller sur ces plateformes. Tous les arguments qu'on mobilise, en paeticuler celui sur la vie privée et la surveillance de masse n'ont pas d'effet. Les gens sensibles à ces arguments sont déjà parti. C'est une minorité.

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in reply to Lutin Discret

@lutindiscret @ed I hear you but I still want to at least write an article about it collecting all the evidence I found. They had TERRIBLE security in place and are asking for government IDs to join. I don't feel like staying silent on this. Taking 2 hours to write a blog post is nothing... the press about it has been all P.R. and I want to do the work that lazy journalists didn't do
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Hard to say if it's worth it at this point. Maybe it lands on its face right away, but if it does receive attention and lots of actual people create accounts there, having information about that site would be useful.
Does it need to be its own website in that case? Not sure.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

in my opinion, it's a waste of energy. I'd rather focus bringing more politicians here

leavex.eu/politicians

social.vivaldi.net/@everton137…


Over the past few days, the @leavex account has gained almost 500 new followers. Until recently, the Bluesky account (@leavex.eu) had nearly 1000 followers and was ahead of the Fediverse version. That situation has now reversed.

This shift seems closely tied to the recent revamp of the #LeaveX campaign, which now includes statistics on how many politicians are still using X. Increased visibility also played an important role: the project was shared widely by @randahl, an account with a large following, which likely contributed significantly to the surge in followers.

What’s particularly interesting is that the Mastodon account consistently receives more attention and interaction than the Bluesky account. This suggests that, at least for political topics, engagement currently can run deep on the Fediverse.

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#Fediverse #Mastodon #Bluesky #Politics #LeaveX #SocialMedia


in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

It’s ironic that the supposed European alternative to X and the answer to independence from U.S. tech is… using “American” ATProto instead of “European” Mastodon.

bsky.app/profile/did:plc:xgvzy…

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Press is often lazy. Coverage is often a matter of whether or not Press media received a ready-to-publish communicate. That's why most private orgs, with com teams, get covered while many communities and public-service associations are not.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Chaotic neutral: set up a masto/goto instance on a wsocial:ish domain 😈

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in reply to narF 😵✌️

@narF trust me I checked but it was already taken.

that being said, you’re speaking to the proud owner of wsocial.it 💁🏻‍♀️
@squirrel @joakimfors

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in reply to BrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻‍♀️

@BrennpunktUA awww sadly it's really expensive, sigh: $260 !!!

Shall I start a crowdfunding campaign for it, so I can introduce myself as "Elena Rossini, the CEO of VV.social"? 🤪

@narF @squirrel @joakimfors

in reply to BrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻‍♀️

I see now, it's a so-called "premium domain", having only two chars! It's the registrar, asking for that much money, not the provider.

Crowd-funding it anyways? Not sure tbh! But maybe if you have many followers and everybody gives max. 1 Euro, why not!

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

No, please don't. Spend your beautiful energy and time on building and contributing to what we already have.

Don't waste a second on deconstructing, arguing against stuff we don't control.

Make more videos like you did before, the Mastodon / Fediverse intro video. It was beautiful and awesome.

That's what you should do. Build, don't destroy.

in reply to Christoffer S.

@nopatience I second that.

A video addressing the nearly 60% of Members of the European Parliament still active on X would be beautiful.

leavex.eu/politicians

What would happen if prominent politicians had official, active accounts on the Fediverse? Public attention would certainly follow, as would journalists, who are obligated to track and report on political figures.

People don't leave the Fediverse solely because of technical hurdles. Many arrive, look around, and simply don't find enough reasons to stay. Retention is not just a usability problem, but also a matter of social density and relevance. With a sufficiently large and visible group of active participants, the Fediverse could generate its own gravity and flourish beyond the tech-savvy community.

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in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

they seem like great domains to start hosting fedi services. they go looking for euro-corp they find international co-op
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

its probably better not to sabotage EU alternatives, but by grabbing domains the fediverse could be injected into the news cycle, if done with a coherent message to the media.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Honestly, I think that will only create a sense of division: "Mine is better than yours".

I don't believe that's what the world needs now. I think we need to try to find a common ground. For example, why did they choose the ATProto?

Although I would prefer them to have decided on ActivityPub, maybe they have a reason.

in reply to Vladimir Campos

"why did they choose the ATProto?"

The cynic in me: because it's centralized.

Governments may talk a big talk about things, but at the end of the day, they're legacy systems and they want control.

Alas, too many seem to have not acknowledged that the Internet is already an intergalactic system of collaboration and already operates at scale of billions of users with billions of packets per hour.

Legacy meatware governance is obsolete, but the transition period is going to be long and drawn out and in the interim, a lot of "reinventing the flat tire" will presumably play out, ad nauseam. ;(

We already had end-to-end encrypted realtime libre/free open source "federated" (I would use the phrase: "distributed") systems such as SILC (Secure Internet Live Conferencing) before ActivityPub (or twitter or Facebook, etc.) was ever conceived of in the first place. But, why was it never popularized? It circumvents centralized control and the "powers that be" don't like not being able to ratchet down on others. Class warfare is their paradigm, so they prefer to perpetuate such things, rather than normalize new paradigms which make themselves obsolete. ;-/

IRC? XMPP? FTP? HTTP? Other plaintext by default protocols, very popular! Spies just love spying!

Note: SILC isn't alone, there's PSYC2, GNUnet and other libre/free end-to-end encrypted comms systems; but as much as some may claim they want such things, what seems to gain traction and momentum every time? Over and over again? Insecure, centralized, systems. If you follow the popularity and the "money" it's usually the same old dirt bags behind the scenes pulling the strings.

CC: @_elena@mastodon.social

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

.fr
.es
...and some others already taken 😁

I voted «yes go ahead», but it all depends on the expected ROI 😃 (how much attention is that w-thing getting so people would reach that alternative sites)

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Regarding domain name grabbing: I don’t think this is worth it. I would wonder if they haven’t already reserved the domains they are going to use before the announcement. So that’s likely a waste of money.
in reply to 「 Jürgen 」

@juergen they've been so myopic about the whole thing that they forgot to register some key domain names.

I grabbed one this morning and some of my followers did the same yesterday and told me about it.

This is resistance at work 🤗

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

I don’t think it’s worth the effort. Couple of people announced some vaporware launch and press lazily took it as ”Europes answer” to US social media without a second thought about how ridiculous that statement is. Let them build. Spend your energy on something more productive (improving fedi) instead. Press hype will die after couple of minutes of fame.
in reply to Tero Hänninen

@0xtero I found out some really disturbing things about this initiative and I don't want to stay silent. I may write a blog post about it, collecting and sharing the evidence... so that if people appreciate what I write, they could point others to it (people looking at the initiative with interest or journalists for example).

And hey I grabbed a domain name that is PERFECT as a short URL / to redirect to my article. Sometimes staying silent on these things is dangerous

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Ok, now I'm intrigued and want to know the details 😀 I just hate how this was branded as "European answer" by the press, like it would be official EU project - when it clearly was just attention grab by some limelight hungry random CEO. Luckily it doesn't seem to have had much news value (papers in Sweden didn't pick it up)
in reply to Tero Hänninen

@0xtero there are allegedly links to the Swedish right (that would explain the requirement of IDs to post). Still researching the claims
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

Had a quick look. Seems the domain is registered by a Swedish company WeDontHaveTime (who seems to run wedonthavetime.org). The company is owned by a foundation, so no idea who the real owner are (the foundation owns US based company of a same name as well). This guy is their CEO forbes.com/sites/ingmarrentzho… - the company has 9 employees and revenue of 15-20 million SEK yearly (loses twice the revenue yearly -17M SEK in 2024).
in reply to Tero Hänninen

@0xtero thank you for the info! Yes I had seen the non-profit info but not the revenue. Wow.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

here's the company info (sorry, in Swedish) allabolag.se/foretag/wedonthav…
in reply to Tero Hänninen

@0xtero thanks!!!

can someone explain to me how is it possible to have such terrible profit margins but then "solidity = very good"?

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

@0xtero There are no links to the swedish right. But links the teh swedish upper class and conservatives. And to WeDontHaveTime as well as to euopena AI-interests (mainly in France as it seems). blog.zaramis.se/2026/01/24/per…
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

I'd say let's wait and see if anyone still remembers this ominous letter platform in a week.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

You can grab the domains but will it be worth the energy?
You know who controls most of the French media and how little credibility they have left. I would not base my work on theirs – and I am a journalist (not for French media) living in France. 😉
It's like the question: Do politicians waste energy to fight the so-called "Peace's Board" or do they fight for peace structures like the UN and reforming them?
Do we fight blown up "alternatives" or do we fight *for* our visions?
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg

@NatureMC I'm planning to write a blog post about it - I'm pretty strong at the SEO game and I'd like to write an article with evidence that people can easily find / refer to.

I only grabbed one domain name for 4 Euros... some awesome fedi people have grabbed other TLD in the same spirit.

An article I wrote years ago on my blog exposing a big company still gets lots of hits - a decade later!

I simply can't stay silent on this...

in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

This I understand completely, do it!
My comment was more if you plan a big long lasting campaign ...
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

I voted yes. But maybe it would be better to put energy into making the fediverse more accessible. Even to my medium tech savy friends, the fact that you have to choose a server is complicated. So either they choose the default one or they don’t join because they don't see the point in all these different servers (lots of people are lazy to read and be interested). Your introduction was really nice but we might need more ‘tutorials’/why? video's or texts.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

to be very honest, I think you can drive that energy towards something more constructive. Too bad that Fediverse gets only crickets in terms of press attention, but it is what it is. We are growing. Less than others, but who cares? It is about quality, not quantity.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

In the name of @blogg I allergy sent them a open letter telling them how stupid this idea is. An I published it at the same blog. Sense it is the Swedish government authority, Integritetsskyddsmyndigheten, I did write it in Swedish.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

this map can help to make the case for the fediverse in Europe

toot.wales/@jaz/11593893983576…


This bizarre, hurried cut-and-paste Bluesky clone called "W" (wsocial.eu) says it will fill this huge gap in Europe where no social media platforms exist.

Meanwhile... umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/f…


in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

a social created to be an alternative or a copy is already a failure.
We have just to wait for, #X is melting down as #tesla

socialmediatoday.com/news/thre…

#Tesla #x
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

A couple of arguments, if I may:

1) why reinvent the wheel ???

2) why a proprietary system (as it is derived from bluesky)

3) why not simply ask every member state to put up an official mastodon instance and use that ??? That would be much simpler and cheaper !!

Good luck

in reply to Franciscus

@FrankauLux all they did was tap the EU for funding and they’re so cautious and clueless they backed it because they used the right buzzwords
in reply to Friedemann

@frebelt @FrankauLux for an "expert" on privacy running it it is unusual to see a very old privacy policy with large holes in it on their site
in reply to Human after all

@humanhorseshoes @frebelt @FrankauLux based on what I’ve seen (in terms of technical weaknesses) their site looks like a pasta colander to me 🤡
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

@frebelt @FrankauLux I've seen this play before, the company behind it appears to be a professional greenwashing funding harvester
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

You're right, I'm with you. I deleted my X account almost two years ago. Why would anyone vote no, that it's not worth it? Seriously, what's wrong with them?
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

I totally support you.
I am trying something different.
I am creating a fedi/mastodon instance just for the pollies in Australia.
I plan to invite them all too it.
It will be au.politicians.social i partially got started today with the domain.
Do you want to setup ie. Or irl.
Only allow .gov.ie emails to register on it.
Then it is a "verified" server for the MPs.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

We have states and local auths too, all with similar emails.
.vic.au.poltiicians.social will be the State electorate pollies.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂

It might be funny to use language like “W is actually an L”, considering how Internet slang conflates W with winning and L with losing. A common phrase when someone needs to accept defeat is to “take the L”.