Dear Fedi friends,
I'm pretty fired up exposing the ridiculousness of #WSocial, a new social network purported to be a European alternative to X that launched at Davos (yikes).
The French press devoted many articles to it (meanwhile: crickets about the Fediverse).
Before I go full steam ahead grabbing domain names and creating a web site that shows the weaknesses of W / suggests to check out the Fediverse instead, I want to put it to you: should I do it?
- Yes go ahead! I fully support this (77%, 559 votes)
- I'm not sure (8%, 61 votes)
- No, it's not worth it (14%, 106 votes)
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Ed il Casoncello
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •I think that we need more "why/how you should join the Fediverse" rather than "why you should not use platform X, Y, W".
We (as in: the internet) spoke loudly about why not using certain type of softwares and platform and it didn't really made a substantial difference.
I think we need to focus on bringing people (and make them stay) here rather than scare them about another software or platform.
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Palin
in reply to Ed il Casoncello • • •「 Jürgen 」
in reply to Ed il Casoncello • • •@ed
@_elena
I could not agree more. The Fediverse has to convince the folks to come here not blaming other services that we even don't really know, yet.
Instead we are welcoming new folks with arguing why they have chosen the wrong Fediverse SW instead of the much better other SW. This is scaring away so many new users, and would be worth to work on.
We should keep proving that we are better not claiming that other solutions are worse.
Lutin Discret
in reply to Ed il Casoncello • • •@ed this. 100% this.
Elena, je comprends ton exaspération mais pour répondre à la question, tu te fatigues pour rien. Surtout maintenant.
Au bout d'une vingtaine d'année de militantisme sur ces sujets. J'en conclue qu'il est vain de dissuader les gens aller sur ces plateformes. Tous les arguments qu'on mobilise, en paeticuler celui sur la vie privée et la surveillance de masse n'ont pas d'effet. Les gens sensibles à ces arguments sont déjà parti. C'est une minorité.
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Elena Rossini ⁂
in reply to Lutin Discret • • •Jonas R. (er/ihm)
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Does it need to be its own website in that case? Not sure.
everton137
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •in my opinion, it's a waste of energy. I'd rather focus bringing more politicians here
leavex.eu/politicians
social.vivaldi.net/@everton137…
Members of the European Parliament (MEPs)
Leave X - Protect Democracyeverton137
2026-01-23 07:30:07
D1re_W0lf ⁂ 🇵🇹 🇪🇺
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •It’s ironic that the supposed European alternative to X and the answer to independence from U.S. tech is… using “American” ATProto instead of “European” Mastodon.
bsky.app/profile/did:plc:xgvzy…
Hibou Chachara
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Joakim Fors
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Elena Rossini ⁂
in reply to Joakim Fors • • •squirrel 🐿️
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •narF 😵✌️
in reply to squirrel 🐿️ • • •Elena Rossini ⁂
in reply to narF 😵✌️ • • •@narF trust me I checked but it was already taken.
that being said, you’re speaking to the proud owner of wsocial.it 💁🏻♀️
@squirrel @joakimfors
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BrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻♀️
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •vv.social? 🤣🙈
@narF @squirrel @joakimfors
Elena Rossini ⁂
in reply to BrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻♀️ • • •@BrennpunktUA stop tempting me please! 😂 but also: is it available? Asking for a friend 🤪
@narF @squirrel @joakimfors
BrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻♀️
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •YES! vv.social is still available at this very moment.
@narF @squirrel @joakimfors
BrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻♀️
in reply to BrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻♀️ • • •also, I bet you already noticed it says "wrong password" instead of "wrong invitation code". Does that mean, there might be only one "invitation code" around? 😁
@narF @squirrel @joakimfors
Elena Rossini ⁂
in reply to BrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻♀️ • • •@BrennpunktUA yes indeed! Noticed it from a user's post a few days ago... he was going around asking what the password may be 😂
@narF @squirrel @joakimfors
SparkIT
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Elena Rossini ⁂
in reply to BrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻♀️ • • •@BrennpunktUA awww sadly it's really expensive, sigh: $260 !!!
Shall I start a crowdfunding campaign for it, so I can introduce myself as "Elena Rossini, the CEO of VV.social"? 🤪
@narF @squirrel @joakimfors
BrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻♀️
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •really, that much!? Are .social domains that expensive in general, or just with your provider?
@narF @squirrel @joakimfors
BrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻♀️
in reply to BrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻♀️ • • •.SOCIAL Domain WHOIS-Abfrage | EuroDNS
www.eurodns.comBrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻♀️
in reply to BrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻♀️ • • •I see now, it's a so-called "premium domain", having only two chars! It's the registrar, asking for that much money, not the provider.
Crowd-funding it anyways? Not sure tbh! But maybe if you have many followers and everybody gives max. 1 Euro, why not!
Elena Rossini ⁂
in reply to BrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻♀️ • • •BrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻♀️
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Christoffer S.
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •No, please don't. Spend your beautiful energy and time on building and contributing to what we already have.
Don't waste a second on deconstructing, arguing against stuff we don't control.
Make more videos like you did before, the Mastodon / Fediverse intro video. It was beautiful and awesome.
That's what you should do. Build, don't destroy.
everton137
in reply to Christoffer S. • • •@nopatience I second that.
A video addressing the nearly 60% of Members of the European Parliament still active on X would be beautiful.
leavex.eu/politicians
What would happen if prominent politicians had official, active accounts on the Fediverse? Public attention would certainly follow, as would journalists, who are obligated to track and report on political figures.
People don't leave the Fediverse solely because of technical hurdles. Many arrive, look around, and simply don't find enough reasons to stay. Retention is not just a usability problem, but also a matter of social density and relevance. With a sufficiently large and visible group of active participants, the Fediverse could generate its own gravity and flourish beyond the tech-savvy community.
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in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Erwin
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Every voice that points out how stupid the idea is must be publicly available.
Vladimir Campos
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Honestly, I think that will only create a sense of division: "Mine is better than yours".
I don't believe that's what the world needs now. I think we need to try to find a common ground. For example, why did they choose the ATProto?
Although I would prefer them to have decided on ActivityPub, maybe they have a reason.
ティージェーグレェ
in reply to Vladimir Campos • • •"why did they choose the ATProto?"
The cynic in me: because it's centralized.
Governments may talk a big talk about things, but at the end of the day, they're legacy systems and they want control.
Alas, too many seem to have not acknowledged that the Internet is already an intergalactic system of collaboration and already operates at scale of billions of users with billions of packets per hour.
Legacy meatware governance is obsolete, but the transition period is going to be long and drawn out and in the interim, a lot of "reinventing the flat tire" will presumably play out, ad nauseam. ;(
We already had end-to-end encrypted realtime libre/free open source "federated" (I would use the phrase: "distributed") systems such as SILC (Secure Internet Live Conferencing) before ActivityPub (or twitter or Facebook, etc.) was ever conceived of in the first place. But, why was it never popularized? It circumvents centralized control and the "powers that be" don't like not being able to ratchet down on others. Class warfare is their paradigm, so they prefer to perpetuate such things, rather than normalize new paradigms which make themselves obsolete. ;-/
IRC? XMPP? FTP? HTTP? Other plaintext by default protocols, very popular! Spies just love spying!
Note: SILC isn't alone, there's PSYC2, GNUnet and other libre/free end-to-end encrypted comms systems; but as much as some may claim they want such things, what seems to gain traction and momentum every time? Over and over again? Insecure, centralized, systems. If you follow the popularity and the "money" it's usually the same old dirt bags behind the scenes pulling the strings.
CC: @_elena@mastodon.social
ghose 🍉 👣
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •.fr
.es
...and some others already taken 😁
I voted «yes go ahead», but it all depends on the expected ROI 😃 (how much attention is that w-thing getting so people would reach that alternative sites)
「 Jürgen 」
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Elena Rossini ⁂
in reply to 「 Jürgen 」 • • •@juergen they've been so myopic about the whole thing that they forgot to register some key domain names.
I grabbed one this morning and some of my followers did the same yesterday and told me about it.
This is resistance at work 🤗
Tero Hänninen
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Elena Rossini ⁂
in reply to Tero Hänninen • • •@0xtero I found out some really disturbing things about this initiative and I don't want to stay silent. I may write a blog post about it, collecting and sharing the evidence... so that if people appreciate what I write, they could point others to it (people looking at the initiative with interest or journalists for example).
And hey I grabbed a domain name that is PERFECT as a short URL / to redirect to my article. Sometimes staying silent on these things is dangerous
Tero Hänninen
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Elena Rossini ⁂
in reply to Tero Hänninen • • •Tero Hänninen
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Ingmar Rentzhog
Ingmar Rentzhog (Forbes)Elena Rossini ⁂
in reply to Tero Hänninen • • •Tero Hänninen
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •WeDontHaveTime AB (publ) - Org.nr 559126-1994 - Stockholm - Se Nyckeltal, Befattningar med mera.
www.allabolag.seElena Rossini ⁂
in reply to Tero Hänninen • • •@0xtero thanks!!!
can someone explain to me how is it possible to have such terrible profit margins but then "solidity = very good"?
Tero Hänninen
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Anders Svensson
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Personerna bakom W Social vill tjäna pengar - Svenssons Nyheter
Anders_S (Svenssons Nyheter)zeroase
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •You know who controls most of the French media and how little credibility they have left. I would not base my work on theirs – and I am a journalist (not for French media) living in France. 😉
It's like the question: Do politicians waste energy to fight the so-called "Peace's Board" or do they fight for peace structures like the UN and reforming them?
Do we fight blown up "alternatives" or do we fight *for* our visions?
Elena Rossini ⁂
in reply to Petra van Cronenburg • • •@NatureMC I'm planning to write a blog post about it - I'm pretty strong at the SEO game and I'd like to write an article with evidence that people can easily find / refer to.
I only grabbed one domain name for 4 Euros... some awesome fedi people have grabbed other TLD in the same spirit.
An article I wrote years ago on my blog exposing a big company still gets lots of hits - a decade later!
I simply can't stay silent on this...
Petra van Cronenburg
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •My comment was more if you plan a big long lasting campaign ...
Big Belgian Bopper 🔻🐸
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in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Fernando M. S. 🇵🇸
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Daniel Artfors
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Maho 🦝🍻
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •HashRaydamon
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •this map can help to make the case for the fediverse in Europe
toot.wales/@jaz/11593893983576…
jaz
2026-01-22 13:17:07
BrennpunktUA debunked 🕵🏻♀️
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •they didn't even remove the name "Bluesky" on various parts of the website 🤣🤣🤣
stage.wsocial.eu
#WSocial
Bluesky
stage.wsocial.euNick44 🇪🇺 🇮🇹
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •a social created to be an alternative or a copy is already a failure.
We have just to wait for, #X is melting down as #tesla
socialmediatoday.com/news/thre…
Threads Continues To Add Users as X Sees Ongoing Declines
Andrew Hutchinson (Social Media Today)Franciscus
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •A couple of arguments, if I may:
1) why reinvent the wheel ???
2) why a proprietary system (as it is derived from bluesky)
3) why not simply ask every member state to put up an official mastodon instance and use that ??? That would be much simpler and cheaper !!
Good luck
Human after all
in reply to Franciscus • • •Friedemann
in reply to Human after all • • •Do you know if w received any eu funding?
Human after all
in reply to Friedemann • • •Elena Rossini ⁂
in reply to Human after all • • •Human after all
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Emilio ʕ̡̢̡ʘ̅͟͜͡ʘ̲̅ʔ̢̡̢🇩🇰
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Craig Lambie
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •I am trying something different.
I am creating a fedi/mastodon instance just for the pollies in Australia.
I plan to invite them all too it.
It will be au.politicians.social i partially got started today with the domain.
Do you want to setup ie. Or irl.
Only allow .gov.ie emails to register on it.
Then it is a "verified" server for the MPs.
Craig Lambie
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •.vic.au.poltiicians.social will be the State electorate pollies.
Sean Tilley
in reply to Elena Rossini ⁂ • • •Elena Rossini ⁂
in reply to Sean Tilley • • •