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Hello EU people:

There is an EU citizen petition to ban the use of "conversion therapy" on LGBTQ+ folks (i.e., trying to de-LGBTQ us— a process often described as "torture"). If you're interested, you can sign it here:

eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/…

Please especially take note if you are a national of Spain, Slovenia, Belgium, or the Netherlands; the petition needs about 5x as many votes as it has now, but also needs to hit a threshold in four additional countries, and those are the four closest.

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Very happy to see I'm in one of the two countries that have reached the threshold already, but, that does also make it mildly less satisfying to have voted.
in reply to mcc

True. And it's always good to overshoot by as much as possible.
in reply to mcc

Signed, but for the Netherlands it's a pain in the ass. Like 10 steps, jump to Dutch ID app, need to scan ID with NFC, multiple redirects back to browser.

I wonder if it's easier for other countries?

Admittedly I've got Firefox with NoScript set as my default browser making it even harder.

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in reply to aerique

@aerique I tried with my Dutch DigiD but it seems to expect me to have registered a Dutch ID (I think?) and I don’t have one as I’m not a Dutch citizen 😔 is there something I’m missing?
in reply to Franchesca

@Frantasaur @aerique I assume it wants you to vote with whatever country you are a citizen/national of. Incidentally, Ireland is also on the "votes unusually helpful" list.
in reply to mcc

@aerique I need to give an address of residence for that, but I’m from NI so have never been a resident 😔
in reply to Franchesca

@aerique wait, I was able to put my Dutch address when registering as an Irish citizen! Signed!!!
in reply to Franchesca

@Frantasaur @aerique Alright. Great. I was just writing out a long thing explaining how to use the site's contact page lol
in reply to mcc

@Frantasaur @aerique It seems like the operators of this site would want to include NI folks but also seems plausible the site might have been coded before brexit made things complicated
in reply to mcc

In the time since I linked the petition* above, Ireland has gone from under 50% to above the threshold! Spain is also now getting very close.

siorc.eu/notes/a4885f3ath9b00p…

The petition is up overall 26,000 votes in the last ten days. I don't know whether it can hit a million by May, but turning more countries green definitely sounds viable.

* The petition asks the EU to ban pseudo-psychological practices purporting to "convert" gay and trans people to straights. Yes, that's a thing, and it's cruel.

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in reply to mcc

@mcc I can't believe something so disgusting, not to mention completely unscientific and false, is being done in the twenty-first century! Naturally, I boosted this.
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in reply to Georgiana Brummell

@dandylover1 I don't have any information about to what extent it is happening in Europe today. When we banned it in California there were people offering it as parts of normal psychiatric services (when I lived in CA we didn't ban it proper, just outlawed it being done by anyone who is licensed as or advertising themselves as offering health services)
in reply to mcc

@mcc The mere thought of anyone, so-called professional or not, trying to do that makes me feel sick.
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EU citizens, if you want in while you can, there's a EU citizen's petition for the EU to ban "conversion therapy" (this is as ominous as it sounds) of LGBTQs, with 7 days left to sign.

It will not make the threshold, but might be able to rack up a few more country thresholds— I'm happy to note Spain just hit it. Belgium and The Netherlands are the next best bets as they're over 65%; If you know queer-friendly folks in those countries, maybe a good time to forward this:

eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/…

in reply to mcc

Britain proclaimed the legal non-existence of trans people in the last month with a court decision; in the US, Texas did so last night, with a bill passed in its House of Representatives. There is a global effort to unexist trans people. If nothing else, if the EU wants to show that it's different— that it's not a part of this— it seems like a pretty direct way to say so would be this citizen's initiative against attempting to unexist individual trans people via torture.

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EU citizens, if you want in while you can, there's a EU citizen's petition for the EU to ban "conversion therapy" (this is as ominous as it sounds) of LGBTQs, with 7 days left to sign.

It will not make the threshold, but might be able to rack up a few more country thresholds— I'm happy to note Spain just hit it. Belgium and The Netherlands are the next best bets as they're over 65%; If you know queer-friendly folks in those countries, maybe a good time to forward this:

eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/…


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in reply to mcc

You do see what's going on, right @EUCommission ? Do we really have to spell it out for you?
in reply to mcc

Okay big news on the EU citizen petition to ban the use of "conversion therapy" (IE "curing" or perhaps "torturing into submission") on LGBTQs—

BE, NL and SI came through and last night the initiative *met* the 7 countries goal! It needs 330,000 more signatures before the 17th to pass, which sounds rough, but it's got *420,887* in just 5 days, so things are actually on a good pace. This will at least be really close, and this could happen!

EU citizens can sign at: eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/…

in reply to mcc

By the way, since I know there's a lot of Germans on Mastodon:

The need right now on the EU citizen petition against anti-LGBTQ "conversion therapy" ( mastodon.social/@mcc/114512352… ) is raw votes from anywhere. BUT as it happens Germany's currently the closest %-wise to being the 8th country to endorse the petition!

15.5k DE votes would turn Germany green on this map, and send a pro-LGBTQ message to German lawmakers¹:

¹ DE already has a local law banning gay/trans conversion therapy against minors.


Okay big news on the EU citizen petition to ban the use of "conversion therapy" (IE "curing" or perhaps "torturing into submission") on LGBTQs—

BE, NL and SI came through and last night the initiative *met* the 7 countries goal! It needs 330,000 more signatures before the 17th to pass, which sounds rough, but it's got *420,887* in just 5 days, so things are actually on a good pace. This will at least be really close, and this could happen!

EU citizens can sign at: eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/…


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You don't need to sign up for an account or anything.

It literally takes only a minute to enter your information so they can check if you're actually a real person.

I find this important to mention with these things.

in reply to mcc

If someone doesn't know if s*he already signed (like me), no prob, just try again, it will tell you if you already did
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It is 7 AM CEST. The EU citizen initiative calling for a ban on "conversion therapy" (here meaning, pseudoscientific attempts to "cure" LGBTQs) is less than 250,000 votes from success. This is astounding, the votes have like, *tripled* in a week.

The page says voting ends "May 17", and I wish I knew if that meant "at midnight tonight" or "midnight tomorrow" or what. Uh. Do you know

Germany is ~6,000 local votes from endorsing it. Are there 6,000 Germans on this website

eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/…

in reply to mcc

I did sign it just today (from germany) not much more I can do other than boostin lol
in reply to mcc

I think it would be easier to collect votes if you added short information, how this therapy works and what it means for further life, how people concerned feel afterwards. This is not known in general.
in reply to mcc

it's also important** to mention that this is an official EU website, they already have the data you have to give them to sign - it's not like it's some mid shadiness proxy petition site

**maybe lowering activation energy for signature

in reply to mcc

Come on #Germany and #Portugal! It would be disappointing if we do not reach the threshold and the petition does not make it to the European Commission. It took 361 days to make 500000 people sign and it took two days for 300000 extra. I think it's possible to reach 1000000 today!
in reply to mcc

steadily increasing at a rate of 500 votes/minute, IF this keeps up, it'll be done in around 5h :o

Of course keeping it up requires everyone's support in shouting it from the rooftops

in reply to mcc

The process of signing it is a bit offensive, the EU wants to read your ID card…

I was also confused by the text, because it is so broad that the “or others” include the hormonal therapies for trans people, which are not pseudo-medicine, but they do alter the gender expression of these people (as desired).

in reply to mcc

Yeah it's maddening that the exact closing time is not posted on the website. In normal business, I would assume that "deadline 17 May" means: submit by 16 May 23:59. But I have seen some people post with apparent confidence that it's 17 May 23:59.

(CEST? CET? Le sigh.)

in reply to mcc

Nur noch heute und morgen: Petition gegen Conversion Therapy! Viele Unterschriften braucht es nicht mehr!

@mcc

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in reply to mcc

Thank you for your help promoting!

Amazing, more than 900.000 signatures. Hundreds of thousands have signed this week.

EU citizens: IT REALLY TAKES ONE MINUTE TO SIGN. Just your name and your ID number. No registration, no electronic ID, nothing. DO IT NOW because the deadline is tomorrow.

in reply to mcc

France at 880% making everyone else look bad, hot damn
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would be amazing to see this get over the line in time for #Eurovision
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OKAY WOW. WOW. THE WHOLE THING WHILE I WAS SLEEPING. WOW.

The EU citizen initiative petitioning the European Parliament to outlaw "conversion therapy" ("curing" LGBTs via torture) has met its threshold (1M votes and 8 countries supporting).

One week ago I sincerely thought y'all wouldn't make it. Amazing work Europe (and hi5 Germany, now country 8).

This is an incredible statement at a time the US/UK govt are forcing conversion (medical detransition) for trans minors.

eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/…

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in reply to mcc

I graphed it in realtime. Around lunchtime to mid afternoon it was getting more than 6 signatures per second for 4 hours straight.

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in reply to mcc

so good! And it's still going, Sweden is very close to its threshold too
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This makes me so happy to see that so many people understand how awful conversion therapy is and care.
in reply to mcc

UPDATE: Nine. 9 countries. Sweden passed the threshold *while I was writing that last post*.

The "end of the collection period" is May 17 (so seven hours from now… plus 24 if the person who told me it's *EOD* May 17 is correct) so if you're an EU national you can still vote to run up the numbers and convince EU Parliament you're serious. Also:

- If 4,343 Italians sign, it's ten countries endorsing
- 5,308 Austrians makes it eleven
- 6,794 from Portugal makes it twelve

eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/…

in reply to mcc

ANOTHER UPDATE: About three minutes ago on the website, France literally hit 1000% support for the anti-"Conversion Therapy" initiative. France really showed up here, with ten times the threshold support FR is literally half the supporters on this initiative. Apparently the people of France really, REALLY don't want their trans friends medically tortured

(if this is a boost, see upthread for explanation)

in reply to mcc

Do you have a link to these stats please?
in reply to Fox

@fox when you go on the petition page, on desktop (don’t see it on mobile), you have the map

eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/…

@Fox
in reply to nonobstant

@nononymous @fox on my phone I can get the map by tapping the menu in my browser and selecting "request desktop site". Then just tapping the countries gives me stats.
in reply to mcc

it may be related to a few people with lots of followers (singers Angèle and Hoshi, but also author @bouletcorp2 ) sharing the initiative in the last remaining days. Good job indeed!
in reply to mcc

🩵🩷🤍 it’s so nice to see some positive news like this right now
in reply to mcc

allez les frères et sœurs, du beau boulot ! 🎇
in reply to mcc

And Italy hit the threshold as well now. So it’s now nine countries. And it’s a good chunk above the required million votes. If this keeps up and there are indeed 24 more hours to go, this initiative might hit 2 million votes.
in reply to mcc

There are ~7 hours left in the EU citizens initiative ( eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/… ) asking the EU parliament to ban "conversion therapy" (pseudo-medical efforts to "cure" queers). It's at 1.2 million votes over 1 million; surplus votes are good because some votes may be disqualified, so EU nationals, it's still worth voting!

One thing I notice, it looks like DENMARK and CROATIA are *so* close to passing— under 1000 votes each. Does anyone here know how to inject a message in the Danish internet?

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in reply to mcc

I gave it a shot: mastodon.online/@atjn/11452402…

Seems like the Danish channels are already flooded with posts about it, maybe there arent enough danes on Mastodon yet?

in reply to Anton 🇺🇦🇪🇺

@atjn Or maybe we've just flooded the Danish part of Mastodon, yeah 😀 Maybe everyone likely to see it has already voted.
in reply to mcc

people underestimate how strong La France Insoumise, our radical left party, is. There was a massive communication to help with this initiative, and we delivered.

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in reply to mcc

The 2200 from Danemark seems like an attainable threshold too.
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... aaaaaand Italy made it.
Italy!
What's next? Poland?

Come on, Denmark, just 1800 votes to go!

(I can't remember /when/ I voted, just that back then, I saw no chance in hell of this ever getting the necessary support. Wow.)

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@Yendolosch Visiting Rome for a conference right now. There are pride flags everywhere and "trans rights" and "trans rage" graffiti in the street.
in reply to mcc

tbf it's not over yet, since there need to be 1 million *valid* signatures, and the validation happens later. Some number will be invalidated, which means that more are likely still necessary. We should keep going until the very end and push well past 1 mil (I guess past 1 mil 20k last I checked).

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in reply to Will Orr

@worr The webpage emphasizes this is online signatures. Will there be additional signatures collected through a separate process offline?
in reply to mcc

I don't think so, what I meant is that they go through and invalidate signatures that appear fraudulent for whatever reason.
in reply to Will Orr

@worr Right, I just wondered if there could (hypothetically) be a situation where they get 1,100,000 online signatures and 100,000 get invalidated but then separately they collect 100,001 signatures offline.
in reply to mcc

I’m having a problem understanding your convoluted grammer.

Is it go for therapy or no go.

in reply to ideaPDish

@ipd I'm sorry, there is a 500 character limit and it makes my text awkward…

The proposed law bans therapists from trying to turn LGBTQs into straights.

in reply to mcc

I like that law. Personal choice and autonomy. Is it passing or not, so far?

Spectrum plus you tube interruption with psyop ads == brain injury and diminished mental capacity today. Or you got any spare spoons?

in reply to ideaPDish

@ipd The initiative has met its signature goal. So unless signatures are disqualified later, it is given to the European Commission, who writes a law, and gives that to the European Parliament to debate.
in reply to mcc

I just wanted to say that I woke up today and saw this post (8am CEST). I thought: "well that's a cool initiative. I guess I'll sign this. Also gonna tell my (50% queer) friend group and family about this, but let's face it: 200.000 Signatures in less than a day? Not gonna happen."

And now, we're not that far from hitting TWICE AS MUCH signatures. This kind of made my day.

in reply to mcc

do you need to have a German address, im German but living overseas
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not-so-funny sidenote: there's a FI citizen petition for the same subject now in the parliament, but as we are saddled with at least one religious party in power, they're just stalling the handling. Why? Because they can.

And also because they are thoroughly foul people as well, but I guess that was obvious already.

in reply to mcc

I am actually appalled to learn that this still happens in Europe...
in reply to mcc

do you know when exactly the deadline is? if it’s late enough, local IDAHOBIT events might be a good opportunity to campaign and get it to pass last-minute?
in reply to trissc̈hen

@trisschen Perhaps there is more information on the EU pages about the initiative system?
in reply to mcc

Already had signed, tried it again just to check.
in reply to mcc

The deadline is concerning, but I hope you all get enough signatures soon enough. Why put such a limit on it? Oh right... To prevent change. 🙄
in reply to Meadow

@meadow It was a 1 year limit… that's pretty good compared to some analagous things other services do. ps nice display name
in reply to mcc

Thank you. We quite like it. 💚

And we stand corrected. We were under the impression this is something which was only going on for a few weeks. Our pessimism got the better of us.

in reply to Meadow

@meadow it turns out that a deadline is actually a really good motivator because we've increased signatures by like 3x in the last week
in reply to mcc

Oh heck, France really pulling through! I feel a sudden urge to put on a beret! 🇫🇷
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I know it's late but that is great! I have a very long time friend who transitioned decades ago. I was thankful she's Dutch. I had no idea that Netherlands has changed (it sounds like it). So sad, the bigotry. I once asked her about it and she told me she had resisted until she was DESPERATE. Torturing is the right word yes.
in reply to mcc

Btw, is conversion therapy of neurodivergent people already banned in the EU?
in reply to mcc

hmm, it told me i did already support it
well done past me
in reply to mcc

unfortunately dutch digid times out 🫤
I've tried before to sign European petitions, never got it to work yet
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I would but my Nationality is British and that excludes me even though I have left the sinking island and have lived in Europe for many years.

Stupid petitions.

in reply to mcc

I hope there is... it is frustrating to be ignored in the UK - because I don't live there - and then be ignored here, because I still have British Nationality! 🤦‍♂️
in reply to mcc

Signed it! Come on Dutch people! We can do this.
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I'm not a citizen yet, but for now, I can boost.
in reply to mcc

The EU is a crazy place, imagine banning actual torture
in reply to mcc

every time I see this I'm sad that I can't sign it because the UK isn't in the EU any more. stupidity abound on every front.
in reply to mcc

Germany +1

Wobei ich mich komischerweise nicht mit der eID Ausweisen konnte…

in reply to mcc

I just brought the Netherlands one signature closer 😊 who's next?
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mcc
@hefka As written I think the petition would actually cover conversion therapy on ace people
in reply to mcc

here in Brazil the Federal Council of Psychology already made it explicit that it's unethical, harmful, ineffective
in reply to Vick Forcella ™🌈🌳❄️☑️:verifi

@VickForcella hm, you mean like the server is down?

someone else said they tried to vote and got an error, but then tried a few minutes later and it worked.

thanks anyway!

in reply to mcc

Why exactly ban it? If people want it, isn't it their right? I may be wrong. I know most don't want it but that is freedom, isn't it??
in reply to CYFR0N

@cyfr0n Generally speaking it is being performed by parents on children. The intent of the ban is to prevent a type of child abuse.
in reply to mcc

I’m from the Netherlands and the link to the National system to prove your identity doesn’t work. It might explain why so little people of the Netherlands signed
in reply to Adri

@ArbreAdri @VickForcella So that's two people so far who were not able to get the Dutch auth system to work…

Don't feel obligated, but would you mind contacting the "Contact us" link at this page citizens-initiative.europa.eu/… (nederlandse version here I think? citizens-initiative.europa.eu/… ) and letting them know your experience? 2 votes on 1 petition aren't such a big deal, but it seems like the site should not be breaking for certain countries selectively…

in reply to mcc

WAIT. YOU STILL ALLOW CONVERSION THERAPY IN THE EU? Holy shit. I’m surprised tbh.

Yes. Rid your continent of that cruel scourge.

in reply to Ré

@r2d3522 One assumes this is related to the high support for this petition in France
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in reply to mcc

done, and forwarded on to likeminded dutch people in my network - thank you for making me aware of it
in reply to mcc

TIL european petitions are linked to digital authentication infrastructure of member states (digid in .nl). pretty cool! european union ftw.
in reply to mcc

For French nationals, this is very easy for us (you do not need an eID). It took me exactly 3min from a phone.

So, no excuse ;)

in reply to mcc

Don't we need 5 more countris? I think we need 7 and we do have 2.
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mcc
@midgephoto Hello, I feel as if you were trying to reply to an entirely different post than the one this reply is attached to.
in reply to mcc

i wanted to undersign but i have to scan my id or fill out a form. This should be the next petition. To reduce the requirements to name and email or another form of easy and privacy friendly undersigning like other services have.
in reply to mcc

@fru it’s open since May 2024 and it’s likely that I’ve already signed it. But I’m not sure either way. Sigh. Pic related.
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in reply to mcc

I voted in France so no new country gained, but at least more votes on total count.
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mcc
@andres Huh, that's odd. It is loading for me.
in reply to mcc

Done! One more vote from the Netherlands.

And while you're there, don't forget to leave a comment that X/Twitter is a threat to EU democracy and tell them to remove the link to share on X.

in reply to mcc

when I read conversion therapy my first thought was mental health support for people that are transitioning, because it's a stressful thing to do.

Turns out it's almost the opposite.

I guess I'm too naive for this society.

in reply to mcc

Signed from The Netherlands.

Bit of a hassle but not too bad; then again, I have the DigiD app on my phone, linked to my ID.

in reply to mcc

I signed this the first time it came around and every time it comes around again I feel guilty that it hasn't reached the threshold in the Netherlands yet, even though I boost it every single time!
in reply to mcc

I've tried to sign this several times now. I did not succeed.

That is, I wanted to use an eID, (Dutch DigiD) and it won't let me log in, resulting in a time-out error. The culprit is not on the side of the eID, with other services it works fine.

in reply to mcc

EUpol: Ban on LGBTQ+ "conversion" (medical or religious torture) practices

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in reply to mcc

They require a lot of PII for signing something as simple as a petition ...
in reply to mcc

I was reading the petition demands that are rightly detailed.

I started wondering whether "Provide a clear, precise and comprehensive definition of conversion practices, which shall cover all practices that seek to change [...] a person's [...] gender identity [...]" could be misinterpreted (wilfully, perhaps) by some as including voluntarily-chosen HRT for trans people that has a positive rather than negative psychological effect, unlike what this is combatting.

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mcc
@ppscrv @nitrml yeah, I only called attention to Germany because Mastodon has a very large German contingent— I was being just a little jokey with my wording
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ppscrv
@nitrml A good and important point. I just want DE to get there, because it is where I live and I want to see the map change.
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@ppscrv there are already enough countries above threshold, it wont matter whether Germany reaches 99% or 150%.. the important thing is getting the remaining 200.000 signatures overall from the entire EU
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mcc
@mayintoronto I should definitely sleep more
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mcc
@maccuinneagain But the faq said that the petition calls on the commission to propose legislation *to* the parliament? So isn't that just an extra step? To be clear my instance limits me to 500 characters D:
in reply to mcc

Do you know that you made this happen? Not all on your own, sure. But you never gave up despite hope being low. It was one of your posts that first made me see this. And boost it. And boost it again. And of course sign it and then make my family and friends and colleagues sign as well. Be proud of yourself, you deserve it. 💪