Just a reminder that @fediversenews@venera.social is not your personal boosting service. Banned the second person in less than a week due to this behaviour.
strange but my (private) instance had recently decided to unfollow both yourself and Fediverse news?! I had searched you out, but hadn't remembered the news group. Thanks for all you share, much appreciated
but what exactly are these people doing (I've probably missed it in my timeline) ... just kinda curious ... and wondering if there's some etiquette I'm not aware of?
They’re tagging @fediversenews@venera.social for sports, video games, and other stuff unrelated to the core purpose of the group. The group is for news related to the Fediverse.
The nice thing about Friendica forums compared to Gup groups is that on Friendica there is always someone who can ban annoying users, without forcing users to think about it for themselves...
Admittedly, Lemmy has even more advanced and granular moderation capabilities, but Lemmy communities are a more structured tool. The Friendica forums, on the other hand, are a more minimal tool, more geared towards speed and above all allow crossposting
PS: I know it well, since I'm the admin of the Friendica poliverso.org instance but also of the Lemmy feddit.it instance 😅
I pitched the idea to lemmy devs of trying to replace with a.gup.pe with a modified lemmy instance. The lead dev (I've forgotten their name) seemed mildly interested but concluded, I think, on it being too hard / not worth it.
Do you have any thoughts?
I would guess that lemmy would be a better bet for replacing aguppe over friendica for two reasons:
1. it's overall less complex or has fewer features than friendica (could be wrong here) 2. It has a complete separation between the backend and frontend
In my opinion it is important to distinguish the purpose of the two platforms: 1) Friendica is a social network with advanced features, including that of groups/forums, a feature that has been copied from the GUP groups (but Friendica also has private forums!) 2) Lemmy is NOT a social network (Lemmy users cannot "follow" other users), but it is a link aggregator with advanced social functions and the ability to create complex communities.
. /. Thanks to its tightly focused design (no following, no crossposting), Lemmy can work with tens of thousands of users using very few hardware resources. But if you want a tool like GUP, which automates crossposting, follow and share, only a social engine like Friendica's can offer the same functional coverage. (end) @atomicpoet@fediversenews
Hmmm ... I'm unclear on your point about crossposting.
In my experience of interacting with lemmy on other platforms (mastodon chiefly), following and "at"-ing communities works just fine and just like GUP and friendica groups.
Also, from my experience, the structure of replies is federated well and pleasantly viewable through the lemmy interface should one want to, even when they're all coming from alternative platforms.
For the sake of providing a federated group-like facility to platforms without or uninterested in implementing it natively, what else would lemmy need?
What would Lemmy need? Impossible question! Let's try to ask ourselves two different questions: 1) What are the features that Lemmy is missing? 2) which users would need these features?
Possible answers: 1a) make mentions made by Lemmy users work well because now they don't work. Is useful? Yes, but it certainly doesn't interest Misskey users like you! 😁
1b) allow Lemmy users to "follow" other Lemmy users and other users of the Fediverse. Is useful? Well... If Lemmy were a social network, maybe it would be useful; but it is a link aggregator. At the moment, there is no Lemmy user interested in following other users because lemmy users are mainly interested in following the conversations of the communities, which they can do in an easy and practical way. The only concrete problem that today derives from this limitation is that a Lemmy user can "subscribe" to a Friendica group, but cannot write in that group! In fact, the Friendica groups only relaunch the messages of users who follow them and who mention them, while a lemmi user cannot follow another Fediverse user (the so-called subscription perhaps works in a different way) and above all there are problems with the mentions that still they don't work well. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2707 that's not a problem either, though. What interests other users of the Fediverse... 😁
1c) there is no possibility of practicing immediate crossposting. To do crossposting you basically need to copy the post published in one community and repost it on another community. it's a feature that helps avoid spam and helps you think a little more before posting something.
But now we come to the second question: who would need these improvements?
Well, it is clear that 1a and 1b are improvements for the experience of Lemmy users only. 1c, on the other hand, mainly concerns the user experience of users writing on platforms other than Lemmy.
At this point, it seems quite logical to me that all these changes are not a priority at all, considering that: - change 1a is not that important, while 1b is a bit more important and it's also quite easy to implement, - the 1c still comes after the first two, also because Lemmy has already evolved a great deal in the last year, becoming a tool for creating transversal communities across the various instances and platforms of the Fediverse. Today, paradoxically, a Friendica user is able to exploit Lemmy even better than a Lemmy user can exploit it.
I hope I explained myself well and was clear enough. I'm not a computer scientist and therefore I'm not able to answer questions of a technical nature, but I hope I have managed to best illustrate and contextualize the functional and evolutionary scenario.
Thanks for the detailed post! But unless I am misunderstanding you, I think you've gone beyond the scope of merely replicating the a.gup.pe or friendica group facility for platforms other than lemmy/friendica.
Yes, I probably went a little further, but it was to better contextualize the very nature of a platform like Lemmy.
To be more succinct, I can simply say that Lemmy (unlike a Friendica group/forum or a GUP group) doesn't support immediate crossposting (basically you can't mention several Lemmy communities to have your post published on each of them) . This limitation must not be removed because it is the basis of the anti-spam check by default which must be present on a link aggregator.
This is the biggest systemic difference between Lemmy communities and Friendica groups.
And crossposting has become the most important function that the fediverse has recognized to GUP groups. Even with excesses that often go beyond the limits of "fediquette"...
@maegul@informapirata 😛rivacypride:@Chris Trottier if you mention two Lemmy communities from a Fediverse social account, only one of them will re-share your thread. On the other hand, if you mention only one Lemmy community after the first paragraph (which will become the title/subject of the Lemmy thread) and in the body of the message you mention as many Friendica forum groups as you want, the result will be (almost always 😅) the posting on the Lemmy community and re-sharing on all the Friendica groups/forums you mentioned
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in reply to Chris Trottier • • •Maybe an annoying question ...
but what exactly are these people doing (I've probably missed it in my timeline) ... just kinda curious ... and wondering if there's some etiquette I'm not aware of?
Chris Trottier
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in reply to Chris Trottier • • •The nice thing about Friendica forums compared to Gup groups is that on Friendica there is always someone who can ban annoying users, without forcing users to think about it for themselves...
@fediversenews@maegul
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in reply to maegul • • •Admittedly, Lemmy has even more advanced and granular moderation capabilities, but Lemmy communities are a more structured tool. The Friendica forums, on the other hand, are a more minimal tool, more geared towards speed and above all allow crossposting
PS: I know it well, since I'm the admin of the Friendica poliverso.org instance but also of the Lemmy feddit.it instance 😅
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in reply to informapirata :privacypride: • • •Cool! And thanks!
I pitched the idea to lemmy devs of trying to replace with a.gup.pe with a modified lemmy instance. The lead dev (I've forgotten their name) seemed mildly interested but concluded, I think, on it being too hard / not worth it.
Do you have any thoughts?
I would guess that lemmy would be a better bet for replacing aguppe over friendica for two reasons:
1. it's overall less complex or has fewer features than friendica (could be wrong here)
2. It has a complete separation between the backend and frontend
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in reply to maegul • • •In my opinion it is important to distinguish the purpose of the two platforms:
1) Friendica is a social network with advanced features, including that of groups/forums, a feature that has been copied from the GUP groups (but Friendica also has private forums!)
2) Lemmy is NOT a social network (Lemmy users cannot "follow" other users), but it is a link aggregator with advanced social functions and the ability to create complex communities.
@atomicpoet@fediversenews
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in reply to informapirata :privacypride: • • •Thanks to its tightly focused design (no following, no crossposting), Lemmy can work with tens of thousands of users using very few hardware resources.
But if you want a tool like GUP, which automates crossposting, follow and share, only a social engine like Friendica's can offer the same functional coverage.
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in reply to informapirata :privacypride: • • •Hmmm ... I'm unclear on your point about crossposting.
In my experience of interacting with lemmy on other platforms (mastodon chiefly), following and "at"-ing communities works just fine and just like GUP and friendica groups.
Also, from my experience, the structure of replies is federated well and pleasantly viewable through the lemmy interface should one want to, even when they're all coming from alternative platforms.
For the sake of providing a federated group-like facility to platforms without or uninterested in implementing it natively, what else would lemmy need?
Poliverso - notizie dal fediverso
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What would Lemmy need? Impossible question!
Let's try to ask ourselves two different questions:
1) What are the features that Lemmy is missing?
2) which users would need these features?
Possible answers:
1a) make mentions made by Lemmy users work well because now they don't work. Is useful? Yes, but it certainly doesn't interest Misskey users like you! 😁
1b) allow Lemmy users to "follow" other Lemmy users and other users of the Fediverse. Is useful? Well... If Lemmy were a social network, maybe it would be useful; but it is a link aggregator. At the moment, there is no Lemmy user interested in following other users because lemmy users are mainly interested in following the conversations of the communities, which they can do in an easy and practical way.
The only concrete problem that today derives from this limitation is that a Lemmy user can "subscribe" to a Friendica group, but cannot write in that group!
In fact, the Friendica groups only relaunch the messages of users who follow them and who mention them, while a lemmi user cannot follow another Fediverse user (the so-called subscription perhaps works in a different way) and above all there are problems with the mentions that still they don't work well.
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2707
that's not a problem either, though. What interests other users of the Fediverse... 😁
1c) there is no possibility of practicing immediate crossposting. To do crossposting you basically need to copy the post published in one community and repost it on another community. it's a feature that helps avoid spam and helps you think a little more before posting something.
But now we come to the second question: who would need these improvements?
Well, it is clear that 1a and 1b are improvements for the experience of Lemmy users only.
1c, on the other hand, mainly concerns the user experience of users writing on platforms other than Lemmy.
At this point, it seems quite logical to me that all these changes are not a priority at all, considering that:
- change 1a is not that important, while 1b is a bit more important and it's also quite easy to implement,
- the 1c still comes after the first two, also because Lemmy has already evolved a great deal in the last year, becoming a tool for creating transversal communities across the various instances and platforms of the Fediverse. Today, paradoxically, a Friendica user is able to exploit Lemmy even better than a Lemmy user can exploit it.
I hope I explained myself well and was clear enough. I'm not a computer scientist and therefore I'm not able to answer questions of a technical nature, but I hope I have managed to best illustrate and contextualize the functional and evolutionary scenario.
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Yes, I probably went a little further, but it was to better contextualize the very nature of a platform like Lemmy.
To be more succinct, I can simply say that Lemmy (unlike a Friendica group/forum or a GUP group) doesn't support immediate crossposting (basically you can't mention several Lemmy communities to have your post published on each of them) . This limitation must not be removed because it is the basis of the anti-spam check by default which must be present on a link aggregator.
This is the biggest systemic difference between Lemmy communities and Friendica groups.
And crossposting has become the most important function that the fediverse has recognized to GUP groups. Even with excesses that often go beyond the limits of "fediquette"...
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in reply to Poliverso - notizie dal fediverso • • •right. Thanks!!
I didn’t know this. So if I “at” two lemmy communities in one post, it won’t work. Huh.
Though I’ve gotta say, I’m not sure it’s the most vital feature. A quote post or link would probably be sufficient for me.
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in reply to maegul • •if you mention two Lemmy communities from a Fediverse social account, only one of them will re-share your thread. On the other hand, if you mention only one Lemmy community after the first paragraph (which will become the title/subject of the Lemmy thread) and in the body of the message you mention as many Friendica forum groups as you want, the result will be (almost always 😅) the posting on the Lemmy community and re-sharing on all the Friendica groups/forums you mentioned
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