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recently i just finished building a new pc. mostly for gaming since my only exposure to linux is steam os and i heard its uses arch with kde plasma so i try to emulate it as close as i can. however soon i realized how different it is and it requires more setup than i initially thought. i spent a whole day or two setting it up and i read now im responsible on maintaining it, what does it mean? is it just finding and testing drivers? or system update? what is the easiest way to do it? and what i getting myself into?
when i was about to install steam i found a tutorial on it with 3 - 4 pages full of text and was a bit overwhelmed, i decided just set it up using discover with flatpak, the problem is when i was about to find out how to do that i read mostly people really hate when you ask how to enable it in arch, is it really bad? should i just use konsole instead?
im not very tech savvy and at first I was really reluctant to use konsole but since i decided to use arch its inevitable that i have to use konsole and so far its not that bad, yet.
I'm just wondering for the long term, should i just change distro? or i should just powertrough arch and see where it goes.
thank you for your time.
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thank you for all the kind words, support and information everyone. i decided that i'll stick with arch until it breaks and ill see either i retry arch or try different linux flavors. i never feels so excited about os since i was messing around in win 2000
Try Linux Mint, Ubuntu, or Fedora. Any of these will be easier than Arch and offer point and click installation for steam, drivers, and just about anything else.
When you get some more experience, instead of arch you can try endeavourOS. it’s basically arch with good defaults and has a fantastic KDE implementation.
I recently tried Fedora for the first time last week... and was pleasantly surprised! Out of these 3, I feel like Fedora looks the nicest. Fedora Workstation's installer is a little nicer than Ubuntu's. I also think the update screen during reboot is a nice touch.
Yeah, I stuck with Fedora Gnome for at least a year. It had its limitations for me, so I’m currently on EndeavourOS with Hyprland, but Fedora will always have a place in my heart.
The specific set of baseline dot files I use as a template for my Hyprland setup don’t seem to play nicely with Fedora. I love Fedora, but some of my toys aren’t easily compatible with it.
im not sure if my machine will need that level of stuff for my usage nor my tech level that high to require something like that. so its nice to know that i will not lose much if i change distro with a more streamlined one.
after lots of input i decide to just play with arch until it breaks then switch to bazzite.
I almost always advise against atomic distros for noobs. They are extremely limiting, add multiple complications to otherwise simple tasks, and the padded cell of immutability means you can’t really fuck around and learn how traditional Linux systems work.
I’m usually distro agnostic and just happy to see people use whatever Linux they like, but immutables have issues.
Assuming you're referring to Fedora Atomic, your statement is extremely exaggerated. Out of the top of my head, the current limitations are iffy akmods and UKI/systemd-boot. The latter of which is being worked on currently and might arrive rather sooner than later. Neither of which I'd assume 95% of Linux users ever engage with anyways...
add multiple complications to otherwise simple tasks
I feel like you don't know what you're talking about. Please be explicit; which tasks are made more complicated on Fedora Atomic?
the padded cell of immutability means you can’t really fuck around and learn how traditional Linux systems work
It's true that you aren't supposed to "fuck" around (most of) /usr during runtime. Furthermore, I agree that the existing ways to circumvent/bypass this leave much to be desired. But, again, most peeps use perfectly fine systems without ever feeling the need to tinker with /usr... And if you absolutely must..., well..., Fedora Atomic doesn't actually stop you. It just wants you to adhere to its ways of achieving it. Making it more of a paradigm shift, rather than outright limiting the user.
If your criticism basically boils down to "I can't make use of my preconceived notion on how Linux works.", then "Yes."; that's exactly the point. Granted, it wouldn't hurt if Fedora Atomic allowed conventional methods to continue working. But as it's currently in the middle of a architectural shift (going from rpm-ostree to bootc), I'd argue they've got more important things to work on.
systemd-boot has a lot of uptake and is very simple for the UEFI path. We need to support it. One thing this deeply intersects with is ostreedev/ostree#2753 and ostreedev/ostree#1951 as well as #20...
I would say the greatest limitation would be repos and your ability to build whatever software you want from source. Having access to the AUR allows me access to much wider array of software. Can you run Hyprland and all of its companions like hyprlock, hyprpaper, etc on bazzite? That’s the setup I prefer, and I’m fairly certain it’s not possible in a Fedora based immutable system.
I don’t want or need guardrails to keep my system running correctly. If you do, or just enjoy the stability, cool. I’m just glad you’re not running windows. I don’t think bazzite is bad. I just don’t think it should be the go to for welcoming newcomers.
Thank you for the quick answer and for providing clarifications!
I would say the greatest limitation would be repos
What do you mean? What's wrong with Fedora's repos? Apologies if I sound obtuse*.
and your ability to build whatever software you want from source.
There's nothing preventing you from doing this within a container created by Toolbx/Distrobox. I can attest to this. You can even build it natively. While I haven't personally engaged in building it natively, I can't imagine it would cause any problems. But please correct me if your experience (or otherwise) is different.
Can you run Hyprland and all of its companions like hyprlock, hyprpaper, etc on bazzite? That’s the setup I prefer, and I’m fairly certain it’s not possible in a Fedora based immutable system.
Fam, break your leg. Nothing is stopping you; someone else has already done just that. And you can just piggy-back of their effort. In case you'd like to see other (successful) attempts at making Hyprland work on Fedora Atomic: consider taking a look at wayblue and hyprland-atomic.
~~Hehe 😛 . Please feel free to clarify what you meant with the repos being limiting (or something). I'm genuinely interested to know.~~ See Edit down below
I still think bazzite is the wrong suggestion for newcomers
It's your absolute prerogative to believe/think/state whatever you wish. However, I don't think you've yet made a convincingly compelling case. You absolutely don't have to, but if you've got more to say on the subject matter, then please do so for the sake of (potentially) enlightening others.
I don’t care if you like my opinion.
Good.., I suppose. Neither should you care anyways 😜.
Edit: I only now noticed that you had edited your previous post. My apologies.
Having access to the AUR allows me access to much wider array of software.
Agreed. I also occasionally access stuff from there through my dedicated Arch distrobox. I occasionally make use of my Ubuntu distrobox, or Alpine distrobox as well. Thanks to Distrobox (and similar technologies), it has become an absolutely glorious experience to not be limited by the distro's repos. Instead, I can make use of whatever repos are out there. Granted; Distrobox is not exclusive to Fedora Atomic, but you'd be hard-pressed to find another distro on which it works as well as it does on uBlue's offerings.
Universal Blue manufactures a diverse set of operating system images to provide the the reliability of a Chromebook, but with the flexibility and power of a traditional Linux desktop.
Honestly it sounds like you’ve mastered a completely new kind of operating system, based on Linux but evolving in its own direction, and there’s probably only a handful of people using it at that level. It’s pretty cool to learn more about, so I appreciate what you’ve had to say.
I already know and love traditional Linux and don’t see a compelling reason to change, and as I’ve repeated, I don’t think it’s the way to point a newcomer.
Honestly it sounds like you’ve mastered a completely new kind of operating system, based on Linux but evolving in its own direction
Thanks for the compliment 😅. I do think there's some truth in it being a new kind of Linux-based OS. But it's not as big of a departure like say NixOS. Heck, I'd argue it's grounded within a relatively basic premise: What's the minimal amount of effort required to make our current Linux systems attain desirable qualities like being reprovisionable and anti-hysteresis? The whole bootc-shebang is just leveraging existing container technologies (I'm sure you're familiar with Docker) to the Linux you run on your computer.
and there’s probably only a handful of people using it at that level.
If we would (perhaps arbitrarily) choose for "that level" to be "crazy enough to create and run their own image"^[As that's most likely my biggest Fedora Atomic achievement.], then it's true that our numbers are probably only in the order of hundreds. Though, the knowledge required to build your own image is (almost) equivalent to the knowledge one ought to have to create their own OCI image; you know, the very same used for Docker, the container technology that represents a billion dollar industry.
It’s pretty cool to learn more about, so I appreciate what you’ve had to say.
I appreciate it. I like conversing with you as well 😊!
I already know and love traditional Linux and don’t see a compelling reason to change
That's perfectly valid.
I don’t think it’s the way to point a newcomer.
Please allow me to explain why I differ on this:
The beginner has no preconceived notion on how Linux is 'supposed' to work. As such, they will adapt to whatever you throw at it. Be it Mint, Arch or Fedora Atomic. Heck, it's undeniable that out of these, Fedora Atomic works the closest like their phone. Which has undoubtedly become the most recognizable OS for your average Joe.
FYI, Fedora Silverblue was my foray into Linux. The first one or two weeks definitely gave me a hard time, but that was over three years ago. If I was able to survive in such a 'hostile' environment, then newcomers should have absolutely no trouble getting onboard with the introduction of Bazzite (and the other uBlue images).
This is going to be a longer blog entry, but here’s a TL;DR: I propose that instead of "immutable" or "read-only" when talking about operating systems (such as Fedora Core…
Honestly it sounds like you’ve mastered a completely new kind of operating system, based on Linux but evolving in its own direction, and there’s probably only a handful of people using it at that level. It’s pretty cool to learn more about, so I appreciate what you’ve had to say.
I already know and love traditional Linux and don’t see a compelling reason to change, and as I’ve repeated, I don’t think it’s the way to point a newcomer.
CachyOS has all of the gaming stuff (can be just point and click with their welcome popup/installer), is arch based so there's a ton of well made documentation.
I’ve been wanting to try Cachy, but my experience with Endeavour has been so good for so long that I’m not even feeling distro-hoppy. I admire Cachy from afar.
I used bazzite and I ran into the exact issues you described above. It worked, and it worked well, but anything extra that I wanted to do required jumping through a shit load of hoops and bouncing around between bazzite forums, fedora forums, and universal blue forums to maybe not even arrive at a reliable work around.
It was extremely valuable because I had to learn a lot, but it just wasn't nearly as seamless as cachy.
Bazzite will play steam games right off the rip and it will do it well, and is an easy install. Beyond that it can get harry if you're not just using flatpacks.
A lot of people will say "just use distrobox" if your solution to make something work in this OS is to download and use another OS, why wouldn't I just start there with the other OS?
Yeah, this is exactly the point I was trying to make. I want a system that is simple and straightforward, running primarily native packages and a small handful of flatpaks. I don’t want or need to emulate other distros because my own distro has its wings clipped.
This is what I ran into when I first decided to try a linux system desktop after ten years. I wasn't familiar with the new distros around these days, so decided to try Bazzite first. Immediately ran into a driver issue that was apparently not fixable until the (already released) fix made its way into their official repo or something.
Shelved that and gave CachyOS a try (made more sense anyway since I used arch in college and had a steam deck since day 1), and it's been my daily driver for 6 months now.
Increased flexibility and control, some things I like to do work better in an arch based system than a Fedora based system. One of my biggest reasons, is that the tiling window manager I use is better supported on Arch and makes use of many AUR packages. Using the AUR and building from source can be risky if you don’t know what you’re doing.
That fact that you don’t know what any of this means is why you should start with a more beginner friendly distro. You’ll learn, and as your knowledge grows you’ll have a much clearer understanding of your needs in a distro.
Imagine it’s like racing. If you start in a GT3 car pushing 900 horsepower as a beginner you’ll probably die. Which is why most start with karting or racing Miatas. Keep it simple and build your skill set and knowledge as you go.
Im definitely going to start beginner friendly. I'm just trying to get a handle on what the differences tangiby mean ahead of it. Every explanation i find seems to be. "You do more, you can customize more, it's more powerful, or only losers dont use the hardest thing possible". Ok, the last one was a joke, kind of.
The biggest difference? Arch forces you to the terminal more. The easier distros come pre packaged with GUI tools for things like graphics driver selection, adding and removing repositories, installing and removing software, etc.
Vanilla arch doesn’t come with any of that. EndeavourOS, the more fleshed out Arch based distro I use doesn’t either. You could use Mint, Ubuntu, Pop, or Fedora, without ever needing to see the command line. You CAN use it, and should from time to time to start learning, but Arch throws you right into the deep end of the pool of using the command line for almost everything you do.
Some of these people will likely try to say “well actually there are GUI frontends for pacman” or whatever, it’s not the same as using Mint where graphical tools that are easy to use are baked into the system.
Save your important files on a separate drive, install your new beginner friendly OS of choice, and don’t be afraid to break it. A reinstall from a USB stick takes like 15 minutes, and with your important files stored separately you don’t have to think twice about wiping the system and starting over.
OP should follow their chosen path and we should commend them for their efforts and support their choices rather than tell them they did it wrong and start over according to our opinions.
Mint or fedora. Skip Ubuntu. Updates break things too much. If you got mint I'd recommend LMDE over Ubuntu mint. For the same reason so long as your not on brand new hardware. Mint is honestly the easiest way to go. Fedora being second. Bazzite if you want to have a steam OS like experience.
Mint is a fine distro, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone that wants to do gaming right now either. None of the first class DEs are running on Wayland yet, which means that most monitor features of the last decade are not at all or badly supported.
I'd argue that beyond surface-level stuff, the Debian-based distros have a steeper learning curve. PPA's, packages with versions in the name of the package, .debs that don't update with the rest of the system, the list goes on. No shade to anyone who is happy with Ubuntu or Mint, but I too started on Ubuntu and didn't find it intuitive enough to stick around. OP is talking about avoiding the terminal, "just use Debian" is not even a solution to that.
I think openSUSE is also a good option for newbies, either the Leap (stable release) or Tumbleweed (rolling release) variants. One nice thing openSUSE does for newbies and why I have been using it in the process of moving away from Windows is that it comes out of the box with automatic system snapshots enabled so that if you break anything it's relatively simple to roll back to a working config.
I don't think YaST is really required and they're apparently moving away from it. I've barely used it myself, but I hear it's one of the things many people like about openSUSE.
Tech savvy enough. I do my damnedest to find a YT tutorial or forum post before I throw the towel in and make a help request somewhere. Like I literally will go hours before I finally concede and realize I can't do something myself, and I act like my honor is forever lost whenever I go to Fedora forums in defeat. There are many out there who won't even do that at the bare minimum, so you're doing great. We're doing great.
I don't know exactly what u are talking about steam cause it just sudo pacman -Syu steam and that it .everything else if u have modern nvidia then do sudo pacman -Syu nvidia-dkms if amd setup then u will no need anything else .In the end as for beginner try CachyOS if u the most close experience to vanilla arch .this guys just do some performance tweaks while staying maximum vanilla as possible about arch linux
As a completely new user who’s self-described as “not very tech savvy”, Arch is probably a terrible idea, and you should switch distros.
I really like Debian, but something like Linux Mint or Fedora might be wiser for you; all three hold your hand more, which would be very important in your case. Fedora and Debian specifically are designed to work well with KDE, although Fedora will have newer versions.
You certainly seem willing to learn (you got through the Arch install process), and I think you still have a great opportunity to enjoy Linux, but considering you’re calling the terminal emulator “Konsole”, your self-description is probably apt. FYI Konsole is just one application to access the terminal, kind of like how Firefox and Chrome are both web browsers, but you don’t use “Chrome” to refer to web browsers.
Go with Bazzite, it tries to mimic SteamOS out of the box. Very easy install/setup process (easier than windows).
Bazzite is Fedora Kinoite with some extra stuff, Kinoite might be better for a desktop setup but either one is totally useable for gaming and desktop so don't overthink it.
i found a tutorial on it with 3 - 4 pages full of text and was a bit overwhelmed
I don't think this attitude is helpful for conquering Arch, but YMMV.
recently i just finished building a new pc. mostly for gaming since my only exposure to linux is steam os and i heard its uses arch with kde plasma so i try to emulate it as close as i can.
FWIW, if you just want to emulate SteamOS, perhaps consider Bazzite instead. It's not based on Arch, but it arguably is the closest to SteamOS (but better). More so than any Arch-based distro*.
after looking at it more i realized its more of a wiki than a tutorial. my initial thought is if i use pacman to install steam i had to find and get the dependencies by myself so thats why i went with flatpak route.
few people recommend bazzite too. ill try to give it a look
Luckily, Linux has evolved in the past 30 years. A package manager (one usually comes with your system, like apt, dnf, pacman) will handle almost all direct dependencies for you. When installing Steam, you may be asked which 32-bit Vulkan library you want to install, but aside from that it should get everything automatically. (Hint: vulkan-radeon on AMD, otherwise pick the one for your GPU brand)
Managing and "maintaining" (updating, sometimes cleaning) an Arch Linux installation is definitely more involved than what you are used to on Windows or the Steam Deck. Some people prefer this workflow, as it offers more control over their system. Others prefer an already set up and maintained environment.
Bazzite is a very SteamOS-like experience. You click update once in a while, and shouldn't have to touch anything else internal to the system. You get Steam and Flatpaks out of the box.
Since Linux gives everyone the freedom to do things the way they want, there will always be people shitting on a specific way to do things. There are definitely good reasons to dislike certain software, but generally you should be just fine. Just because someone thinks their way of doing things is better doesn't mean you should immediately switch to that.
That being said, the main downside of Steam in a flatpak is the sandboxing possibly getting in the way of modding your games, or games that use unique hardware (like steering wheels or so). steam (pacman package) does not have those specific issues, but it lacks sandboxing (aside from Steam's pressure vessel for games).
You can continue with Arch if you want, and there's certainly good resources to learn (like the wiki) or get help (like the IRC or Matrix rooms). It will require you to learn about how to actually set up and configure your Linux installation the way you prefer. Other distros (usually marketed as "user friendly"), like Fedora, Bazzite, Mint, will automatically perform or set up some of the maintenance you'd have to do manually on Arch.
Regarding installing Steam as a flatpak, as you've already noted^[Though I'm not 100% sure if the pain points you explicitly mentioned don't have any ways/means to bypass/circumvent them.], it ain't ideal. That's why AFAIK all "gaming distros" (including Bazzite) install Steam natively.
thank you for the insight. glad that its not as hard as people used to do back in the day. i hope wont break it sooner than i hoped so im going to stick with arch for a bit. honestly its been a pretty fun experience so far.
Perhaps it may not be a bad idea to dual boot Arch and SteamOS or BazziteOS until you get the hang of Arch. While Arch is a very flexible system, accidents happen, and it'd be a shame to lose game progress due to system breakage.
And fyi, Konsole is simply a terminal application for your command line. Personally I don't really mess with flatpaks, and I suggest getting familiar with pacman (Arch's package manager) and the AUR.
when i was about to install steam i found a tutorial on it with 3 - 4 pages full of text and was a bit overwhelmed
Here is my tutorial:
enable multilib repo by editing pacman config
sudo pacman -Syu steam
It's as easy as that. Thats how I run it.
and i read now im responsible on maintaining it, what does it mean? is it just finding and testing drivers? or system update? what is the easiest way to do it? and what i getting myself into?
When I started my Linux journey, I went with Ubuntu and kept breaking it every year for a couple of years, which taught me a lot. Then eventually I hopped to Arch and I've been running the same setup since. For over 6 years now. I am very lazy, so I don't do anythjng special unless it breaks.
My setup has automatic btrfs snapshots and manual offsite backups with borg.
My workflow is:
every friday evening after work, I do an update and reboot.
If everything works, I do a borg backup. Most update fridays are like this and end here.
If it's broken (this year it's been 2 times so far, last year iirc 3 times) I read the journal log, find the cause, fix it by live booting an arch usb stick and chrooting into mt system and following the archlinux forum or reddit or news. (For example recently, there was a kernel bug with btrfs, someone on reddit posted a mailing list link with a command that solved it)
Sometimes there is an issue with an app I have, especially if it's from the AUR. Often a reinstall fixes it, otherwise I fix the PKGBUILD and let the maintainer know what was broken.
After it is broken, I go through all the .pacnew files and merge them (The wiki says you should do it after every update, but I'm lazy)
After I fixed it, I do a borg backup.
If it takes too long to fix or I am especially lazy, I restore a btrfs snapshot and try next week. Usually the issue is resolved by then or somebody solved it on reddit.
So yeah it's quite involved, but I got better at it with time and again, most of the time everything just works and I can enjoy weekly improvements or new features to play with.
I am a bit on the fence which advice to give you. Either keep it and run with it for a while longer or install a simpler gaming focused distro. It's up tp you really.
thank you for telling me your workflow. with bit of time i think i can follow your workflow as its quite simple (at least sound like it)
Here is my tutorial:
enable multilib repo by editing pacman config
sudo pacman -Syu steam
It's as easy as that. Thats how I run it.
yeah, about that. it seems i mixed wiki as tutorial and was but intimidated when i saw how to do manual terminal config for controller setup, graphic driver, and other stuffs. in my mind that just getting the base app is not enough, you need to find the specific perquisite and getting them one by one.
i decided that ill keep playing with arch until it breaks then ill see if i want to give it another go or try bazzite. i love tinkering but software tinker is a bit out of my depth
You're not screwed. Depends on how much you enjoy tinkering and troubleshooting.
My main advice would be to keep your data backed up and completely disconnected from the PC. And make sure your machine is not critical (i.e. for working from home or something). Other than that you do what you want. If you want to dive deep in Arch then that's fine.
One thing to know is that the important part relevant to you is: the desktop environment (KDE) and the Linux distro (Arch) are different things. The far more important thing for you is to have KDE.... the distro underneath just needs to not get in the way.
If you've got Arch up and running then stick with it until it gives you trouble. I naturally ended up distro hopping in the beginning because I would catastrophically break something I couldn't repair and could change distros naturally when reinstalling.
Good options for easy distros with KDE would be:
Tuxedo OS (or Kubuntu) - easiest and there's lots of support online.
Fredora - rock solid and highly recommend. Although I would recommend OpenSUSE Tumbleweed instead, this got me hooked on Linux and was the least problematic for a bleeding edge updated distro, where I happily used Discover for installing and updating.
this pc is mostly for gaming and entertainment so not much is lost if its wiped or broke.
i do love tinkering, just that software tinker is a bit out of my depth
thank you for your input. after a lot of other input and consideration i'll keep playing with arch until it broke then ill decide later if i want to retry it or go with bazzite. or maybe see other enticing distro too. there is so much..
Arch is nothing like SteamOS. If you want a SteamOS like experience you should pick Bazzite. However since you're on arch you may as well stay until you break it. Backup the things you think are important. Use the archwiki as your first step for problem solving. Since you're new to linux you probably shouldnt go to the arch forums.
thank you for the input, i decided that ill keep using arch until it break then ill switch to bazzite. its mostly for gaming so i dont mind if i lose data in that pc
recently i just finished building a new pc. mostly for gaming since my only exposure to linux is steam os and i heard its uses arch with kde plasma so i try to emulate it as close as i can. however soon i realized how different it is and it requires more setup than i initially thought.
It sounds like you're thinking of Arch + KDE as similar to building a PC, where if you get the same parts you can hook them up for the same experience.
I think their team chose Arch to build their distro off of because it's very customizable and made it easy for them to add their configurations, interface layers, hardware optimizations etc. That doesn't make it the best choice for a beginner unless you want to be thrown into the deep end and spend some time to learn a bunch.
IMO you should look into something like Bazzite or some other atomic Fedora, or OpenSuse, so that you can have a running operating system you can game on. Then you can spend some time learning about Linux with the functioning PC. There are ways to run other Linux distros inside your main one if you want to play with them and learn about them.
Unless you have another machine to use day to day, I find it annoying to be learning with the same machine I need for other things.
It sounds like you're thinking of Arch + KDE as similar to building a PC, where if you get the same parts you can hook them up for the same experience.
yeah you nailed it.
i think ill keep learning arch and see how far i got, when it inevitably break ill choose later if i want to retry it or just go with bazzite, its a mostly pc for gaming so there isnt much important stuff in it
I think you're better off with CachyOS than Bazzite to be honest. It's Arch-based, comes with an installer with KDE Plasma as default and on top of that is optimized for performance and geared towards gaming.
The only reason people are recommending Bazzite is because CachyOS is only a year old, while Bazzite is two years old, unless someone can prove me otherwise. In any case Bazzite is RHEL-based, so it won't have the AUR or pacman, which are the two things that set Arch-based Operating Systems apart from the rest of the pack. AUR and pacman are superior to all other repositories and package managers.
Bazzite is based on Fedora Atomic. FYI, Fedora is not based on RHEL. Quite the opposite, actually, as Fedora is "upstream" of RHEL.
it won't have the AUR or pacman, which are the two things that set Arch-based Operating Systems apart from the rest of the pack.
Come out of your cave, fam. Distrobox has been out for years now. And, with it, everyone has access to every other repo (including the AUR). We've finally evolved.
CachyOS has been installable (at least) as early as November of 2021. Its GitHub page is even older, going as far back as October of 2021. Bazzite, on the other hand, is at least a year younger as it dates back to December of 2022.
Thank you for that info, but then why are so many advising Bazzite instead of CachyOS? CachyOS is Arch-based, Bazzite is not.
Bazzite is based on Fedora Atomic. FYI, Fedora is not based on RHEL. Quite the opposite, actually, as Fedora is “upstream” of RHEL.
And thank you for that info. So Red Hat decided to put Fedora in front and put RHEL in the back? Red Hat used to be the base OS of Fedora, no?
Come out of your cave, fam. Distrobox has been out for years now. And, with it, everyone has access to every other repo (including the AUR). We’ve finally evolved.
Again, thank you for that info.
But I don't think any container app would diversify distros or make Fedora distros more popular. In fact, it probably will lead to AUR-based distros becoming even more popular, because one will have access to all the other smaller repos, as AUR becomes the standard.
Thank you for the kind words, fam. Much appreciated 😊!
why are so many advising Bazzite instead of CachyOS?
Assuming you're referring to why so many others recommended Bazzite to OP instead of CachyOS. I believe it stems from the following line of OP:
mostly for gaming since my only exposure to linux is steam os and i heard its uses arch with kde plasma so i try to emulate it as close as i can.
And even if the following is true:
CachyOS is Arch-based, Bazzite is not.
It's simply undeniable that Bazzite is closer to SteamOS compared CachyOS, by virtue of how it -just like SteamOS- doesn't deliver the traditional model of desktop Linux but instead goes all-in on a new paradigm. A simple example to point this out would be how both SteamOS and Bazzite default to automatic updates: - SteamOS; github.com/ValveSoftware/Steam… - Bazzite; docs.bazzite.gg/Installing_and…
But I don't think any container app would diversify distros
Sorry, I didn't quite get this. Do you mean that "container app"s will not succeed in decentralizing efforts and instead have the opposite effect?
or make Fedora distros more popular.
Perhaps you misunderstood me, but to be clear: Distrobox is basically available on every distro out there. So it's not a Fedora-thing to begin with. (Though, it has to be said that I've yet to see it being better utilized/integrated than uBlue's images.)
In fact, it probably will lead to AUR-based distros becoming even more popular, because one will have access to all the other smaller repos, as AUR becomes the standard.
Hmm..., I don't quite understand why you think like that. There's a lot that goes into making distros unique and deserving of their existence. Strictly limiting their appeal to the size of their respective (user) repos is honestly a disservice to the grandiose effort put out by our respected F(L)OSS developers.
It would be nice to have a toggle to disable automatic updates for system and games. I use main branch on my steam deck and I have data limits on my home Wi-Fi and I currently cannot update manuall...
It seems that RHEL has been based on Fedora for over twenty years now 😅.
I only used Fedora in college on shared college computers and that was over twenty years ago. It was brand new back then as they switched over from Solaris. I was under the impression back then that Fedora was a Red Hat Linux derative like Ubuntu was of Debian, Ubuntu being the OS I was using at that time and the Linux Distro Timeline implies as such, however...
perhaps it was based on RHEL once upon a time, but it hasn’t been for a long time. Regardless, documentation on this event seems to be relatively sparse. As such, I wasn’t able to arrive at a definitive conclusion. Please feel free to complete my ‘research’ 😜!
Businesses weren't too keen about Red Hat's six month release cycle, as the short time interpolation was too disruptive for them. Red Hat then decided to have a seperate OS with a long-term support cycle and call that Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). At the same time, users were demanding a 'Red Hat Community Edition', so Fedora came into existance and that was then used as an upstream source for RHEL.
Sorry, I didn’t quite get this. Do you mean that “container app”s will not succeed in decentralizing efforts and instead have the opposite effect?
Yes. It'll make some OSes more pointless. People will try out the distro in the distrobox, get what they need out of it and not bother installing it or jump ship to the better one.
Perhaps you misunderstood me, but to be clear: Distrobox is basically available on every distro out there.
No, it's clear.
Hmm…, I don’t quite understand why you think like that. There’s a lot that goes into making distros unique and deserving of their existence. Strictly limiting their appeal to the size of their respective (user) repos is honestly a disservice to the grandiose effort put out by our respected F(L)OSS developers.
It's a defining feature for me. I had to jump off Ubuntu and Parabola for this reason. For Ubuntu I needed the latest version of some package and for Parabola it was certain packages that were non-free. Distrobox did not exist back then.
NixOS sounds very interesting, but the moment I tried to install the distro- package manager I noticed aws packages and I have an aversion of anything remotely Amazon. Guix peaks my interest even more now that you've mentioned Distrobox.
I'm guessing the reasons Valve chose Arch are mostly related to ability to build and maintain a distro based on it. On SteamOS, Valve is responsible for the system working. On plain Arch, a lot of that is on you.
So maybe stay if you want to take the challenge and learn. You already installed it so thet's something. Or switch to a normal distro if you'd rather not bother.
For flatpak, it's a package format for distributing "apps", that works on about any distro out there. Most of the time it's fine, but steam is an exception. Don't use flatpak steam, the sandboxing breaks it.
i knew a fair amount about linux cli since ive used ubuntu and debian for servers for like 15 years so i was someone knowledgeable but when i decided to wipe away windows on my desktops i picked linuz mint because it was ubuntu based but also it was recommended for beginners. for the most part it works great, i can use steam and heroic. i cant get warcraft classic working but i just need to dig in more.
the one problem i had was when i first started and it wouldnt boot up but i just command line restored using timeshift and it fixed it and i havent had a problem since.
i havent once had issues with drivers or anything. i even installed it on an old computer for my dads church who mostly use it for powerpoint (now libreoffice) and projecting. they know nothing about computers and theyve been fine. i do want to enable auto updates for them though so they dont have to do that.
Just keep your system up to date (update packages weekly maybe) and you will be fine. The system mostly manages itself.
I recommend installing both the current kernel and an LTS kernel. If you ever have a problem with a driver or a filesystem or something after an update, just boot into LTS and you are back up and running.
You haven't provided a lot of detail on what your current setup looks like. If you use a gaming-focused distro like Cachy or Bazzite they should essentially work "out of the box." Bazzite is also very difficult to break since the immutability makes for very effective guard rails for new users.
If you went with Arch right off the bat, you did take on quite a lot for a new user, but - and I do genuinely mean this - there is no better way to learn the ins and outs of Linux than jumping into the Arch deep end. Even if you choose to switch to a lower-maintenance distro, your effort with Arch is never wasted.
Want a very low maintenance gaming distro with almost no setup? Bazzite. Want a more hands-on gaming centric distro like SteamOS? CachyOS. Want a more stable all-around distro that also works great for gaming? Fedora.
Avoid Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu. You will see Mint recommended often, but I personally only recommend it for older hardware that you are trying to revitalize. There are better options.
A new version of Debian just released, and there is no more rock solid distro than Debian. Add KDE Plasma and you will have a very low maintenance, pleasantly familiar, extremely reliable system.
First, I would like to give you some major props. Installing Arch, in itself, is a big deal. It is not a beginner-friendly distro. It is a very power-user friendly distro and has an incredible wiki that is helpful, at least to some degree, for many distros.
For a beginner distro, I would recommend Linux Mint for its easy transition and great focus on user experiences or Bazzite if you really want to install and get gaming.
When taking drivers in Linux, most are provided as either kernel modules (integrated into the kernel, so you don't have to worry about installing anything) or packaged for the distro, in which case, once installed via package manager, they'll auto-update whenever you update system packages. They are so much easier to deal with than Windows drivers (for the end user). For example, to use a Wacom drawing tablet, all one has to do is plug it in.
Arch has a bit of a steeper learning curve. Ubuntu is probably the most "mainstream", but I prefer Mint (based on Ubuntu) for some user-friendly changes. PopOS (already based on Ubuntu) is also supposed to be a bit more gaming centric if you've got an Nvidia card.
I've got an AMD kit in my main machine and Nvidia/Intel in my laptop and both work fine with most Steam games using Proton.
Arch is very high-maintenance. Try Debian 13, it just came out this week. Ubuntu is okay but it has a lot of crapware compared to Debian. If your Wi-Fi and GPU work on Debian you do not need Ubuntu.
I'm an experienced Linux desktop user of about 15 years and I switched from Arch to Debian and I don't miss Arch. If you need bleeding-edge software you can use a combo of Nix, language package managers, and building from source. Arch doesn't add much plus I frequently ran the wrong pacman command and soft-locked myself out of the OS. Debian doesn't do that to me.
I admire your energetic here. I only installed the latest ubuntu (cause of latest gpu driver updates) then I installed steam from software center and it works nothing to do anymore.
Uninstall Arch and install Linux Mint. Give yourself that gift. It'd still be easier than installing Arch Linux, and you'll be way more comfortable most of the time in the long term. It's not that you can't use Arch, but their approach is not beginner-friendly.
Arch Linux's whole claim to fame is Some Assembly Required. Go with something like Mint or Fedora (the latter of which is available with the KDE desktop, source: am typing this on a gaming computer running Fedora KDE) and they're much more complete out of the box.
Welcome to Linux where you maintain your own os.. You are literally the owner of this ship you want to destroy your system to ahead you want to do whatever cause windows pissed you off go ahead.. evening can be fixed usually.. try all the distros till you like some and use those.
How does it feel to be in control and not have to listen to the Man ?
Once your computer's working to your satisfaction, pretty much all you'll need to do is alias sudo packman -Syu and try to remember to run that every so often. The arch Linux wiki is second to none, and if you stick with the distro you should find it all feels very familiar in no time.
cachyos, post install click install gaming packages, in steam goto compotability switch it to proton cachyos, done, there is no struggle, it grabs heroic and lutris too for non steam stuff
Highly recommend this for you OP. This would be the easiest course of action. Do you have to use Konsole, yes but for a few commands and once done you can do everything you need via GUI and not have to touch shell again for daily operations.
Catchy have a very powerful script that attaches all their pacman.conf (list of places where arch will look for it's software)
thank you for the kind recommendation, ill give it a look. im ankle deep in arch now. ill see where it goes and when it broke ill try different distros.
The only tweaking I've ever needed to do was for Helldivers 2. I had to swap from cachy's proton to the actual proton which was literally just a menu in Steam. (Multiplayer wouldn't work otherwise. Everything else was fine.)
If you're willing to learn Arch it really isn't that difficult. I wouldn't reccommend it to a noob but seeing as you're already using it why not give it a try? I wouldn't reccommend the Steam flatpak as Valve reccommends against it and it doesn't work as well. Feel free to DM for advice from someone who uses it daily.
I second this. The initial setup is the hard part. Give it a couple days. The arch wiki is the best resource in the whole Linux ecosystem in my opinion. If that's the long manual you were looking at for installing steam, know that 90% of it is info on strange edge cases and all a typical user will need to do is sudo pacman -Syu then sudo pacman -S steam (I forgot you have to enable the multilib repository if you haven't already. You seem smart, you'll find the info in the wiki)
A couple times a year or so something will break after an update. When that happens 1. Google if anyone else has posted your exact problem 2. See if chatgpt knows anything 3. Humbly post in the arch user forum
i see. thank you for the info. i dont exactly remember if i have enabled multilib, it does sound familiar. maybe i alr enabled it when i tried a bunch of random things..
thank you for the kind offer. ill try to use arch as long as possible. i hope i am a fast learner because I'm a bit lazy to setup a new distro and reconfig everything again
Try bazzite if you are willing to learn, otherwise just pick Zorin OS or Linux Mint and you will be fine (You will just have to learn the basics of how linux works, but nothing too complex as arch linux)
If you're using an Nvidia card, the easiest way into Linux for gaming (in my opinion) is Bazzite, as aguasemgas mentioned.
Otherwise, any distro will do. I prefer Fedora Workstation, which is what I use for work (as do my wife and kids) but use Bazzite in my laptop because it's a System76 Gazelle with a 3050TI,and I don't like the current status of PopOS. All my games run great, and everything else is a FlatPak, so not much need to tweak anything really.
and i read now im responsible on maintaining it, what does it mean? is it just finding and testing drivers? or system update? what is the easiest way to do it? and what i getting myself into?
Where did you see this? What was the context? I ask because you could say the same thing about any PC you own. It's not like Microsoft is gonna answer your distress call if Windows breaks unless you're paying for support.
Is Arch Linux a stable distribution? Will I get frequent breakage?
It is the user who is ultimately responsible for the stability of their own rolling release system. The user decides when to upgrade, and merges necessary changes when required. If the user reaches out to the community, help is often provided in a timely manner. The difference between Arch and other distributions in this regard is that Arch is truly a 'do-it-yourself' distribution; complaints of breakage are misguided and unproductive, since upstream changes are not the responsibility of Arch devs.
It does not explicitly say "maintain" but it has a similar vibe to it.
truthfully? memes. i always saw people memeing on how small thing can break linux and how barebones it is and after using the actual arch it just dawned on me.
i read now im responsible on maintaining it, what does it mean?
sudo pacman -Syu - do this about once every couple of days to make sure your packages are up-to-date i can't think of anything else i have to do as part of maintaining my system outside of backups
You’re going to break things. Then you’ll fix things. Then your break them again. Then you’ll realize there was an easier way to fix that last issue. It’s a fun learning experience.
Hey guys, I’ve got an issue where it’s driving me absolutely bonkers. I got a fitgirl Sims 4 repack, and it crashes without showing anything in the logs by itself. I install the game using wine, and launch it via Steam using all sorts of proton. Now I’ve downloaded the latest version, and the installer won’t even budge past 0.0%. Questions:
Any way to get a detailed log, in order to understand what is going wrong?
Anyone have any experience with this?
Hardware: NVIDIA 2060, Ryzen 5600x. I tried it on PopOS first, and then tried it on nobara just in case the issue was because of an old kernel. It didn’t help.
FitGirl often repacks DODI and other repacks to make them smaller. I've heard people having trouble with FitGirl repacks often have a better time with the DODI ones.
Check the site to see which source was used to make the repack and try downloading the source one instead if that's an option. Might solve the issue.
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I’ve had similar experiences recently with the game, tried Anadius repack instead and the result was the same, ended up finding the sims 4 updater, which solved all my issues.
Never downloading a full repack again, just use the sims 4 updater.
Sims 4 is free, and there's a DLC unlocker that lets you get all the DLCs in your legit copy. You might have better success installing the EA app in Proton/wine, logging in a throwaway account, and then installing the official base game.
I also recommend Lutris instead of Steam for non-Steam games, I've found it easier to work with and it can also automatically add links back to Steam if you like having all your game in one place.
ok, let's say I want to make an image post. I click "image" and it lets me choose a file to upload, cool.
But what if I want to also have an image in the Body of the post. (i.e. where this text here is...) I see the lil' "image" icon there, but if I click it, it just adds a link to a URL for me to fill out. I cannot choose a file to upload. Is there some way to choose a file to upload so it'll go in the Body of the post?
This may be an unusual use, but I would like to insert an image into the body of the post as well.
Now it is a bit inconvenient because you can only embed images uploaded externally.
Hola, Sergio! Pardon the late reply, but have you tried PixelFed yet as a stable, long-ish lasting image-hosting source? So far people in the FV seem to speak well of it.
I'm still using Imgur for images in the body of my posts (like a borderline dumbass), and plan to switch over soon to PixelFed.
Midori is in a bit of a bind. She is in debt, and her landlady is trying to shake her down for unpaid rent. Her best friend refuses to loan her cash since she's wised up to her tricks. Maybe some bullying would help.
Come nel romanzo epico delle Isole scritto da Michener nel ’59, la capostipite raggiunse le pendici del Mauna Kea hawaiano armata dei suoi metodi, le sue prerogative, nient’altro che le ottime speranze possedute da un semplice seme.
protonfixes proton script import location moved to beginning of the protron script, should fix a bug with dll overrides not working properly (it was affecting things such as winetricks dotnet installs)
protonfixes added for EGS and standalone versions of guild wars 2 (thanks tvgold42)
protonfix added for EGS version of MudRunner (thanks loathingKernel)
Fixed videos having wrong audio language in Back 4 Blood
Fixed Devil May Cry HD collection wmv playback not working when proton wine compiled with ffmpeg
Fixed video playback in Injustice 2
Possibl...
Maybe this will help with my problem. I finally made the switch, and so far only one niche piece of software won't open no matter what I've tried. Every proton, proton tricks, lutris, bottles, Ubuntu based, fedora based, arch based. Nothing seems to matrer, and the only thing I can think of is trouble with dotnet. Anyways, glad to see an update!
An article about a tweet. Great, so we don't get any actual details like how many false positives it generated that the human assistant had to sift through and discard before it happened to stumble on a real issue.
I mean it's 20 vectors of attack that are no longer present. Seems like a good thing from security perspective. Even a single vulnerability can be catastrophic. forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2…
In the last week, we’ve had no less than three different pieces asking whether the massive proliferation of data centers is a massive bubble, and though they, at times, seem to take the default position of AI’s inevitable value, they’ve begun to sour…
I have been able to run games whether it was Steam, GOG, or itch and now I can't get shit to run. I don't have the worst rig. I was playing Fo4, and now suddenly I can't. I switched from a shitty Windows to Garuda. That was working wonderful, until I suddenly couldn't get it to work no matter what Proton version. Then I switched to Ubuntu, same issue. Then Cachy, then back to Ubuntu, and now back at it again with Garuda. Still. The. Same. Fucking. Problem. I have scoured the net for answers and fixes to no avail and I feel like driving into traffic. I cannot get any Proton version to run ANY GAME at this point, not just the more intensive ones. What the fuck do I do? Here are some specs:
Processor: 8 x Intel Core i7-2600 CPU @ 3.40Ghz
Mem: 32 GiB RAM
Graphics Processor: Quadro K620
Dell Optiplex 990 (7010 housing)
245GB SSD, with additional 500GB HDD and 4TB external drive
I have been able to seamlessly play all kinds of games for months, and then it just up and doesn't let me anymore. I haven't done anything to tweak shit out of whack. No matter how many clean installs and following instructions otherwise, this shit feels BROKEN and I'm LOSING IT. Someone help me please.
-Little extra info, I always skip the Vulkan shaders bullshit and it was fine before. Sometimes it'd load with the "Downloading Windows (somethingsomething), but I don't get that anymore, and as soon as I skip the thing crashes before any launchers of sorts can load so I can mess with configuration with the little GUI bullshit before total launch.
UPDATE:
I have switched to Bazzite and have set my external drive to ext4. Shit seems to work seamlessly now. Thank you all very much.
I switched from a shitty Windows to Garuda. That was working wonderful, until I suddenly couldn't get it to work no matter what Proton version. Then I switched to Ubuntu, same issue. Then Cachy, then back to Ubuntu, and now back at it again with Garuda.
While I'm in the camp that one shouldn't distro-hop in hopes of fixing their problems, you seem to be keen on it. And that's ultimately your prerogative. With that in mind, have you considered trying something based on Fedora instead? Perhaps Bazzite is able to offer you a fix?
Normally I wouldn't hop, I like my Arch distros. I just was trying to see if it was a hardware or software issue and just did it a weird way. I will check out Bazzite when I get access again, I'm otherwise AFK.
win, proton and the bunch, are magic to me, but when something just up and breaks it's usually an update. Try reading logs see what's missing or throwing errors, and try downgrading. That's how I usually debug at least. After you know what's what you can search for an alternative that's up-to-date.
Sounds like you are trying to use the "force compatibility" option inside of Steam? I switched out to Linux a few weeks ago. Installed Steam, initially thought I had to tell it what version of Proton to use for each game. Found that I was better off ignoring it, not using any forced compatibility option, and let Steam figure it out. My games run with very few issues that way. I just make sure I have the latest nvidia drivers, which it appears you do. Hope you get it running.
Not to be that guy, but isn't that CPU and GPU kinda ancient in PC hardware terms. About the same generation as my first PC at 13, and I've been out of school for over a decade. I'm surprised you got FO4 to run at all.
For steam, shutdown it and start it from terminal to see logs from steam and games on screen. Then start the game that doesn't want to start and paste those logs. Because 99% of time clue for the reason why its failing is in the log.
You dont need to use this method to get the logs maybe there is a simpler one foe your setup, like look for those logs in journal or any other place but thats how I did investigate why some steam game didn't start. But I did have native steam, not flatpak one. For flatpak you might need some flatpak run something.something command, it should log a lot of text, if not then maybe need some --params to not go into background.
Overall this method works for most stuff, logs are the holy grail of any app when debugging and (almost if not) all linux run app does output those 😀
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US is expanding its foothold in the Zangezur Corridor as a direct provocation against Russia, China, and Iran in a move that will prove detrimental to the security of South Caucasus.
In any case, Microsoft is so deeply entrenched in state digital infrastructure that it seems a practical impossibility to do anything about it. The company has a good 20 years' lead on its competition in bending the ears and getting its feet under the desktops of enterprise and state decision makers. While the UK government has had spasms of promoting open source — most recently in 2017 — these have seen little enthusiasm and less adoption. As SODGR notes, UK state IT lacks co-ordination, leadership, funding, talent and executive influence. 55 percent of personnel budget goes on outside contractors, analysts and consultants rather than full-time staff…
This might seem hyperbole, but the facts are indisputable. The US is not trustworthy - Trump's tariffs break existing World Trade Organization-governed treaties, a cornerstone of international regulation. Likewise, Trump supports the removal of regulatory or legal barriers to AI development, so what would happen if the AI lobby asked for access to national data from outside the US? SODGR is silent on this, because it seemed fantastical even six months ago. It doesn't seem fantastical now.
Hi,
I am wondering if there are any planned updates for the tagging system, or if NodeBB’s current setup is considered already optimized?
As far as I can see, in federated topics, clicking a hashtag takes me to the original site’s tag search results, bu
Hi,
I am wondering if there are any planned updates for the tagging system, or if NodeBB’s current setup is considered already optimized?
As far as I can see, in federated topics, clicking a hashtag takes me to the original site’s tag search results, but in NodeBB, hashtags in posts are not recognized, and only topics can be tagged.
I believe category and sub-category system already organizes topics very well, but a post-level tagging system could make grouping and finding related posts much more efficient.
crazycells that's a good question that probably bears further research.
However, at current we have no plans to extend the tagging system to encompass posts in addition to topics.
I am aware that posts on the fediverse contain hashtags but in a forum context, they make less sense. That is why tags have traditionally been at the topic level.
Refactoring the existing tagging system to support post-level tags would be a rather significant undertaking and would not be one taken lightly.
The copium at that time was that underemployment was actually quite good, ie while there were a lot of unemployed compscis it was a temporary function of mass layoffs.
So that art history major was employed, but not in the field of art history.
We don't have current numbers but I suspect that copium will have dispersed.
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Artificial intelligence was not developed to usher in a dystopia, in fact it had a rather utopic mission. By further automating mundane tasks, AI has the potential to ease the workload of millions of workers worldwide in every job and field, potentially giving them back their precious time of the day without sacrificing overall productivity.
Yeah, good luck with that.
In reality, everyone gets fired, the rich get richertge poor get poorer and 99.9% of humans will live in a dystopia, if AI doesn't kill us all.
Yet the AI bros go like "that won't happen to ME though!"
If we had a proper social safety net for all the displaced people, I'd be more open to it. But as things are now with rampant greed and a government for the corporations, fuck AI.
I can't shake the feeling that all this talk of UBI and other social safety nets that are meant to support the majority of the populace after some notional post-work future society ignore a really big elephant in the room:
If most people are solely reliant on the good grace of a single entity, the government, for their whole means of survival, their entire existence is at the pleasure of that government. The populace becomes completely beholden to them, not the other way around.
The whole idea feels suspiciously like a trap set by bad actors with a long-term plan to steal the government from the governed.
I could see your argument if UBI was a recent concept (made by bad actors aimed at fixing today's problem in order to steal the government from the governed tomorrow), but the concept has been around for a while: wiki article.
Its not so much of an argument as a concern. It puts an extreme amount of the country's economic activity directly in the hands of the government. We see globally that governments can quickly change their motivations.
The same rope that can be used to help people out of a hole can be used to tie them up.
During a panel with Picard season three showrunner Terry Matalas and Todd Stashwick (Shaw), were questioned about a ‘30-page outline’ for the Star Trek Legacy concept.
Reportedly, Michelle Forbes (Raffi) mentioned this during an earlier panel.
It sounds as though there’s nothing new in terms of interest from the executives about the concept, just fan interest and an ongoing campaign. Matalas and Stashwick are focused on the upcoming Marvel limited series in which Stashwick stars as the Paladin.
What’s interesting to me is that the more I hear about Matalas original pitch, the more I dislike. Matalas confirmed that it would have a Klingon focus.
While I loved the deep dives into Klingon lore in the 90s, I would prefer something new in the 25th century even a show featuring legacy characters.
As well, Matalas confirmed that they proposed that Shaw would a holographic recreation rather than revived by Borg nanites. We don’t need another grumpy hologram now that the Doctor is back in both Prodigy and Starfleet Academy.
I would find Shaw’s journey as a victim of the Borg with survivor guild to someone who accepts that his own life depends on Borg technology as much more interesting, compelling and new ground in terms of a character arc.
What makes y'all torrent instead of DDL? I read in the megathread that DDL is less likely to get you caught, but a lot of people on here seem to really enjoy torrenting and I must be completely clueless as to why. I'd like to have your insights
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Fast. I can fully use my 800 Mbps network while in DDL. It is usually capped at 40 or 60 Mbps. It has other downsides too like only being able to download one file at the same time or having a cooldown b/w download(which I am sure J2Downloader can fix that). I usually torrent or If I am in a hurry I just stream it from some good sites.
For me there's no "get caught", and many stuff are only available trough torrent, like some old/obscure movies (some could take a week to download), other only trough DDL like some UK TV shows.
Also for automate software like Radarr/Sonarr you only have torrents or nbz
DDL links will eventually go down, and it's a single point of failure, once down the file may be lost forever.
Torrent is much more resilient long term.
Not strictly torrent. But I still use eDonkey Network, and it's healthy as hell, even as all projects are almost abandoned, as long as someone it's using it you can share. The power of p2p
Just a smoother and faster experience. No dead links, no slow downloads, no files that are separated into multiple parts... You get a VPN and you don't have to worry about "getting caught". Private trackers just further elevate that experience and get you access to better content.
Also in this day and age getting a VPN and having it always on for general privacy enhancement, especially against snoopy governments (something which just keeps on getting worse), is also a good idea, plus it also lets you work around geographically restricted sites, so it ends up useful in multiple ways.
KimDotCom was legend though ! It lasted longer than expected 🫠 but yeah multipart files from multiple upload sites with each their own limits... to much stuff to handle ! I'm glad I'm back in the torrent world even though I hate the gatekeeping going on in private trackers ^^
One thing i havent seen mentioned here yet is how easy it is to automate the download of tv shows and movies with torrents (and usenet) by using sonarr/radarr. Its a lot more convenient to just look up a show and select which seasons you want and have the rest done for you.
Ups and downs of either. Honestly either you’re using something with a backend that’s relying on realdebrid or another debrid style service or you’re going all in on something like radar/sonarr. I use debrid atm because it was really easy to setup with my roommate and get him to use, but the reality is that it could fall apart at any moment whereas torrents will keep going. Not worried about getting trouble either way, honestly
Torrenting makes me a part of a decentralized archive of all the linux iso's i find beautiful, which i think is cool, and increases total access.
Thats why they go after it. It's kinda like torrenting is just tye first target, because it's so democratized. If it falls, direct downloads are next, and they're much less resilient.
It's really frustrating to search for old hard-to-find videos, at long last find some forum post with a DDL link, then find out that the DDL was deleted by the host due to inactivity.
You download from a bunch of other people at the same time. So if you have a 300mb/s connection and 5 people have the file and are uploading at 20mb/s, it gets a chunk of the file fron each of them, so you would download at 100mb/s.
Besides, you can pause and resume the download as much as you want without corrupting the file. So if youre dowloading a 50gb folder, you can turn your pc off, and continue later. With DDLs, the download link expires and most browsers cant resume downloads properly. Plus if the browser corrupts the download you have to start over. The torrent uses checksums to detect corrupted parts of the file and redownloads just that small part, and in the end you get a clean file.
I made up that speed just to give an example. The thing about pausing/resuming is an advantage of torrents in general, for whoever needs it. Besides, when you download a file via DDL the speed also depends on the server thats sending, which is sometimes much slower than your download speed limit.
DDL costs money, whether in form of usenet blocks or a debrid subscription, or a subscription to the filehoster themselves if you rely on just one of them. Depending on where you live you can use torrents completely for free.
Oggi pomeriggio è stato fatto un aggiornamento semplice di NodeBB e quindi abbiamo portato Citiverse all'ultima versione del software, la 4.4.6.
Siamo passati dalla 4.4.4 alla 4.4.6. È il primo aggiornamento che faccio su NodeBB ma sembra essere andato t
Oggi pomeriggio è stato fatto un aggiornamento semplice di NodeBB e quindi abbiamo portato Citiverse all'ultima versione del software, la 4.4.6.
Siamo passati dalla 4.4.4 alla 4.4.6. È il primo aggiornamento che faccio su NodeBB ma sembra essere andato tutto bene 😀 Nel caso di problemi fateci sapere!
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When technological innovations are first launched, they disrupt engrained ways of doing things. But after a while, the discomfort and mistrust start to shift.
Watching A Place Further Than The Universe plus some positive experiences at around the time I first watched it made me appreciate certain types of travel and going outside.
My rating history reflected it. Originally, it's an almost-masterpiece 9/10. Now it's my #4 best overall and a regular to-rewatch.
Sword Art Online came out either before or around the same time Oculus did it’s kickstarter and I’ve been a VR degenerate ever since.
I never even thought about VR before that, but the idea that I could one day be totally immersed in a world where I could do anime level stuff is something that still sounds so cool. I’ll probably be dead before we get SAO level VR, but some experiences like VR in racing games are already incredibly immersive.
Diverse how? I get most of my news from like 5 podcasts and from Lemmy. They’re pretty biased towards the left though. Lemmy is probably the closest to neutral I get.
I don’t really have an ism. I’m not well read on any of them tbh, but I think all forms of government are fundamentally unstable just because of human nature. I just want whoever or whatever’s in charge to help people and work towards equality. I think the left generally let’s “perfect” get in the way of “better”, so I try to avoid ism conversations.
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Torna AriAnteo, la rassegna di
Torna AriAnteo, la rassegna di cinema all’aperto che da giugno a settembre illumina le serate milanesi, offrendo al pubblico una programmazione en plein air ricca e variegata.
La programmazione estiva, organizzata da Anteo in collaborazione con l’Assessorato alla Cultura del Comune di Milano, nell’ambito del programma Milano è viva, inizierà il 31 maggio presso AriAnteo CityLife. Nei primi giorni di giugno si accenderanno anche i riflettori di AriAnteo Fabbrica del Vapore, AriAnteo Palazzo Reale e il 10 giugno quelli di AriAnteo Chiostro dell'Incoronata.
Come da tradizione, in programma ci sono i migliori film della stagione autunnale e invernale, che tornano sugli schermi estivi per una nuova occasione di incontro con il pubblico. Ad arricchire le proiezioni, numerosissimi eventi speciali, proiezioni con ospiti, anteprime e prime visioni.
I know about Aim Labs existing, but my laptop is far too weak to use it, I'm afraid. I want this because: 1: I want to improve my aim 2: I'm currently trying to add scenarios to a conveniently named Libre aim trainer, LibreAim.
I came across a good example of the interoperability concerns today when people boosted misskey.io/notes/ab5oh70d6lai0… in to my timeline.
Here's what that looks like on the original server:
Note the emojis in the name (above the @syuilo) and the wide array of emojis at the bottom, many of which are decidedly non-square.
Here's how that renders in Mastodon:
The emojis at the bottom are missing (they're emoji reactions, not supported by Mastodon, so that's understandable). But note that the emojis from the display name are missing too, and this renders as :petthex_javasparrow:.
To everyone in the Fediverse,I'm syuilo, the creator of Misskey. Please consider supporting Misskey — a completely free and open-source software!
Misskey is not a business venture; it's developed by a small group of dedicated volunteers, and our funding is very limited.
I believe that for the health and diversity of the Fediverse, it's important to have not only a few dominant platforms but also smaller projects like Misskey. (Imagine a world where the only web browser is Chrome — what would that be like?)
In order to continue the development of Misskey and to further improve its compatibility with the broader Fediverse, your support would be greatly appreciated.
Young people should be able to access information, speak to each other and to the world, play games, and express themselves online without the government making decisions about what speech is permissible.
Can someone tell me why I'm an idiot: streaming services have access to the entire video you're about to watch. They know the max and the min volume of that video. Why is there no setting to shrink that range? Is it going to degrade the audio really bad and they don't want to be blamed?
This goes double for home theater software like Jellyfin, Kodi, and Plex. They have 10,000 customizations and settings, so why can't I define my own custom audio range in them?
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After compiling and starting it locally, there is nothing when I open the webs
After compiling and starting it locally, there is nothing when I open the website. I tried changing the theme, but it's still the same.
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Bigger clients negotiate bulk discounts, basically. But the other factor at play here is supply and demand. The higher the demand, the higher the price for the supply. Household demand has remained more or less the same, but because data center demand has shot up, prices have too.
"When capacity goes up prices will come back down"
Loooooool. I know that's how its supposed to work but you're mistaken if you think that they will ever decrease the price. That almost never ever happens.
My electric company (which is the only one in my area) even started fucking mining bitcoin and they hit us with a surge pricing model charging us even more for the electricity we use not only during daytime but also during summer. I'm sure they say some bullshit about capacity loads or whatever.
They sure got enough capacity to mine the fuck out of that bitcoin though.
It depends and varies wildly based on your area and how the electricity is actually sold. If they are using an energy stock exchange, as many places are, then increased capacity, especially increased renewable capacity, greatly reduces the price per kWh because the price depends on the most expensive method of generation. And because renewables always offer their electricity for free to the exchange, as they don't have any fuel etc costs, you sometimes end up in the peculiar situation like here in Finland (and in the entire NordPool area) tomorrow between 13:00 and 16:00, where electricity is literally priced at 0€/MWh, as there is enough renewables to cover it all.
Free electricity is cool unless you produce solar. Everyone who does will be paying to produce electricity because the grid fees go both ways (produce or consume) lol
Luckily I do not produce solar. Wanted to install, but lately I've been thinking... With how NordPool works, the more common solar becomes, the less attractive it'll be because there'll be more and more periods where you have to PAY to produce electricity. Or disconnect your panels from the grid every time that happens? AKA whenever solar is the most effective...
I'm not familiar with NordPool specifics but this is exactly right and is playing out in California and elsewhere too. Basically just the duck curve. Storage is all but required as solar covers 100% of midday load.
And all we get in return are chat systems that make up bullshit facts. I mean, I don't disagree that they can actually do some useful stuff, too. But the proportion of the public that benefits from them in any meaningful way is tiny compared to the cost to the rest of us. I hope a tornado lands on Elon's gas-powered monstrosity in, where, Tennessee, I think? Destroy that shit, please.
Unlike this place, I bet most people out there actually enjoy Google's AI summaries. I mean, it's almost the Wikipedia article verbatim, but if you just need to know what a thing is, they actually save people time
That’s probably true but you only get ⅓ of a day on average of power. Demands are still rising so the other ⅔ of the day prices are higher and likely still averages higher on average for an entire day even if ⅓ of it is so cheap.
You could store surplus energy with batteries, pumped storage hydro power stations, gravity batteries and so on to bridge the gap at night. It's just a matter of subsidies in the right direction and political will to get there. But currently in impending pre-war times it's more like in a diesel-punk dystopy.
I'd say you won't really require batteries for something like this, that will mostly be generating less energy than it is expending at any point of time. Note that I am only suggesting filling the roofs and not the rest of the area around it.
Besides, they most probably have a Double-conversion UPS, so they just need to make a controller that supports a side input channel for charging from the PV output.
Why isn't the roof of that facility covered with solar panels? It might not provide all the juice they need, but it will offset some. Future facilities like this should be forced to install some sort of energy mitigation strategy before getting approval.
Of course it should be covered in solar panels but so should most roofs everywhere but this single roof would be less than a drop in the bucket.
A square meter solar panel gives you about 100 watts while the sun is at it's highest point, and only when aimed directly at the sun. Typically over the entire day, the average will be a fraction of that
Meanwhile these servers use multiple CPUs that each take around 200 watts. A single server can take between 1-5 kilowatt in power. A single rack than carry dozens of those server's, so you see that you'd need way, waaaayyy more solar panels to make up for all of that
Again, not saying they shouldn't. All buildings should have solar panel roofs, but for this one building it won't do much to the point that the difference would be a blip
for me mine are 1. Elden Ring, 2. RDR2 3. BOTW, all because they genuinely blew my mind when playing them for the first time and changed how I saw and played video games.
As ceasefire deadline passes, no additional Russia sanctions announced by Trump — Ukrainian intelligence confirms hitting radar station in Russian-occupied Crimea — Zelensky warns Russia will reinvade if ceasefire favors Moscow, ahead of Trump-Putin meeti
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Ukrainian firefighters extinguish a fire after a Russian multiple rocket launcher strike on a residential building in Kostiantynivka, Ukraine, August 10, 2025. (Diego Herrera Carcedo/Anadolu via Getty Images)
As ceasefiredeadline passes, no additional Russia sanctions announced by Trump. The news comes as the U.S. president is set to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin for a high-level summit on Aug. 15 in Alaska to discuss ways toward ending the war in Ukraine.
Ukrainian intelligence confirms hittingradar stationin Russian-occupied Crimea. The Yenisei radar station is used not only in Russia’s S-500 air defense system but also as part of the S-400 system.
Ukraineimposes sanctionson Russian officials, energy companies, including Rosatom. Vladislav Vlasiuk, the president’s representative on sanctions policy, said the latest sanctions are “100% synchronized” with U.S. restrictions.
White House consideringinviting Zelenskyto peace talks in Alaska, media reports. The White House is considering inviting President Volodymyr Zelensky to peace talks in Alaska on Aug. 15, the same day U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin are set to meet.
Dozens of flights delayed at Russia’s Sochi airport following reporteddrone attacks. Flight delays lasted for several hours, leading to large crowds forming at Sochi Airport.
‘We stand firm on clear Ukrainian positions’ — Zelensky warnsRussia will reinvadeif ceasefire favors Moscow, ahead of Trump-Putin meeting. President Volodymyr Zelensky in his evening address on Aug. 9 rebuked Russian President Vladimir Putin’s proposal for Kyiv to cede Ukrainian territory to end Russia’s war, warning that a lack of a “genuine peace” may give Russia the opportunity to reinvade.
Ukraine, Europe reject Putin’s ceasefire proposal, presentcounterproposalto US ahead of Trump-Putin meeting, WSJ reports. Ukrainian and European officials rejected Russian President Vladimir Putin’s proposal for a ceasefire in exchange for Kyiv to cede its eastern territories to Russia, the Wall Street Journal (WSJ) reported on Aug. 9.
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Putin to demand Ukraine cede new territory in ‘Alaska peace plan’ — US likely to agree, Kyiv to reject.
At their meeting next week, U.S. President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin will discuss a peace plan that would see Kyiv surrendering two partly occupied regions — Donetsk and Luhansk — to Russia.
General Staff: Russia has lost1,062,290 troopsin Ukraine since Feb. 24, 2022. The number includes 940 casualties Russian forces suffered just over the past day.
Russianattackskill 8, injure 24, including 2 children, over past day. Russian forces launched 47 Shahed-type drones and decoys, as well as two Iskander-K missiles against Ukraine overnight, according to Ukraine’s Air Force.
‘This is how Russia wants peace’ — Russiandrone attacksbus in Kherson, killing 2, injuring 19. The Russian strike took place at approximately 8:00 a.m. local time, resulting in the hospitalization of 16 people, two of whom suffered serious injuries.
Russianattack on Kharkivfurniture store injures 5, including minor. As a result of the attack, five people were hospitalized with shrapnel wounds. The status of the injured victims was not immediately provided.
International response
Canada aligns with allies tolower Russian oilprice cap. Canada will lower the price cap on Russian crude oil from $60 to $47.60 per barrel.
‘Future of Ukraine cannot be decided without Ukrainians’ — EU leaders react to Russia’sceasefire proposalahead of Trump-Putin meeting. European leaders reiterated their support for Ukraine’s territorial integrity on Aug. 9 after Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed to the U.S. a ceasefire plan that involves halting hostilities in exchange for Kyiv ceding its eastern territories to Russia.
In other news
Russia, Belarus attempting to institute renewed EUmigrant crisiswith help from Libyan warlord, Telegraph reports. Russian President Vladimir Putin and Belarusian dictator Alexander Lukashenko appear to have renewed their efforts to institute a migrant crisis within the EU with the assistance of Libyan warlord Khalifa Haftar, the Telegraph reported on Aug. 9.
Drones strike Saratovoil refineryin Russia. Drones attacked an oil refinery in Saratov on Aug. 10, sparking a large fire and explosions, according to local reports.
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People have been sketching at cafe or any public spaces so drawing digital on tablet out there should be no difference, but it feels very awkward for me. People do that are absolute mad lad.
Mastercard’s ties to the esports world have led to more evidence of censorship. A source leaked messages from the Riot Games sponsor to livestream channels during the Valorant Champions Tour.
Trump signs executive order targeting banking industry discrimination
The executive order arrives amid ongoing concerns about payment network concentration. According to the Merchants Payments Coalition, Visa and Mastercard control 80% of the market while blocking competition from smaller networks including NYCE, Star and Shazam. This concentration has enabled significant fee increases, with credit card swipe fees more than quadrupling since 2010 to reach $111.2 billion last year alone.
The executive order arrives amid ongoing concerns about payment network concentration. According to the Merchants Payments Coalition, Visa and Mastercard control 80% of the market while blocking competition from smaller networks including NYCE, Star and Shazam. This concentration has enabled significant fee increases, with credit card swipe fees more than quadrupling since 2010 to reach $111.2 billion last year alone.
William Golding (1911–1993), è stato uno scrittore britannico e premio Nobel per la letteratura nel 1983. La sua esperienza nella Seconda guerra mondiale influenzò profondamente la sua visione della natura umana.
Trama generale (senza spoiler)
Il signore delle mosche racconta la storia di un gruppo di ragazzi britannici che, in seguito a un disastro aereo, si ritrovano su un’isola deserta senza adulti. Inizialmente cercano di costruire una società ordinata e democratica, ma presto le dinamiche di potere, la paura e l’istinto di sopravvivenza degenerano in violenza e caos. La narrazione segue il lento ma inesorabile passaggio dalla civiltà alla barbarie, rivelando il lato oscuro dell’animo umano.
Punti di forza del romanzo
1. Simbolismo potente
Ogni elemento del romanzo ha un significato profondo: L’isola è un microcosmo del mondo. Il conchiglione simboleggia la legge e l’ordine. Il “Signore delle mosche” è la personificazione del male interiore. I personaggi rappresentano aspetti diversi della società e della psiche umana.
2. Analisi della natura umana
Golding ci pone una domanda inquietante: cosa succede quando non ci sono regole? Il romanzo non dà risposte semplici, ma ci costringe a riflettere sul male, che non viene dall’esterno, ma nasce dall’interno di ciascuno di noi.
3. Scrittura evocativa
Lo stile è semplice ma denso di significati. Le descrizioni dell’isola sono suggestive, quasi poetiche, ma il tono si fa via via più cupo man mano che la storia evolve.
4. Attualità e universalità
Anche se ambientato in un contesto lontano (anni ’50), il romanzo è terribilmente attuale: parla di bullismo, paura, manipolazione, potere, perdita dell’innocenza. Può essere letto come una metafora della società moderna e dei suoi meccanismi distruttivi.
Chi è il Signore delle Mosche?
Nel racconto, il “Signore delle Mosche” è una testa di maiale infilzata su un bastone, lasciata dai ragazzi-cacciatori come offerta alla “bestia” che temono sull’isola. La testa viene posta in una radura, sotto il sole, circondata da insetti che ronzano attorno alla carne in decomposizione: da qui il nome “Signore delle Mosche” (traduzione del termine Beelzebub, uno dei nomi biblici del diavolo).
Il suo significato simbolico
Il Signore delle Mosche non è un personaggio vivente, ma un simbolo del male interiore. Quando Simon, uno dei ragazzi più sensibili e intuitivi, si trova da solo davanti alla testa, ha un’allucinazione in cui la testa “gli parla”. In questo dialogo immaginario, il Signore delle Mosche gli dice qualcosa di spaventoso: “Io sono parte di te. Non puoi scacciarmi. Io sono dentro di te.” Questo momento è cruciale: Golding ci dice che la vera bestia non è fuori, non è un mostro nascosto nella giungla, ma è dentro i ragazzi stessi, dentro ogni essere umano.
Spiegazione psicologica de Il signore delle mosche
Il signore delle mosche non è solo un romanzo d’avventura: è uno studio psicologico sull’essere umano, in particolare sui meccanismi interiori che regolano il comportamento in assenza di regole sociali. Golding, che fu insegnante e partecipò alla Seconda guerra mondiale, ci propone una riflessione cruda: la civiltà è una maschera sottile, e il male non è un’eccezione ma una possibilità interna a ciascuno.
1. Lotta tra Es, Io e Super-Io (Freud)
La dinamica tra i tre personaggi principali può essere letta in chiave freudiana: Jack = Es → rappresenta l’istinto primitivo, il desiderio, l’aggressività, il bisogno di dominio e potere. Vive secondo il principio del piacere, senza rispetto per le regole. Ralph = Io → cerca di mediare tra le esigenze della civiltà e le pressioni istintive. Vuole mantenere l’ordine e la razionalità, ma è costantemente sotto pressione. Piggy = Super-Io → rappresenta la coscienza morale, le regole, la logica. È debole fisicamente, ma simbolicamente è il più vicino alla razionalità e alla cultura. In questo senso, l’isola è come una mente umana e il romanzo descrive la disintegrazione psichica dell’equilibrio tra forze interne.
2. La teoria dell’identità sociale (Tajfel & Turner)
Quando i ragazzi si dividono in gruppi (quelli di Ralph vs i cacciatori di Jack), entrano in gioco meccanismi di identità sociale: In-group vs out-group: il gruppo dei cacciatori si percepisce superiore, sviluppando ostilità verso gli altri. De-individuazione: indossando maschere, i ragazzi perdono la loro identità personale e diventano parte del branco, facilitando la violenza.
3. La perdita dell’innocenza
Il romanzo mostra il passaggio dall’infanzia alla brutalità, ma non come crescita: piuttosto come corruzione dell’innocenza. La psicologia dello sviluppo ci insegna che i bambini interiorizzano le regole sociali attraverso modelli adulti. In assenza di adulti, i bambini tornano a comportamenti primitivi, guidati dalla paura e dalla sopravvivenza.
4. Il ruolo della paura
La paura del “mostro” (la “bestia”) è una proiezione: non è reale, ma frutto dell’immaginazione. Tuttavia, ha effetti molto reali. In psicologia questo si lega al concetto di proiezione (meccanismo di difesa): i ragazzi proiettano il male dentro di loro su un’entità esterna, per non affrontare la realtà più spaventosa: il male è dentro di loro.
5. Il concetto di ombra (Jung)
Secondo Jung, ogni essere umano ha un lato nascosto, “l’ombra”, che contiene pulsioni represse, desideri inaccettabili, rabbia, paura. Jack e il “Signore delle Mosche” rappresentano proprio questa ombra collettiva: l’istinto animale che emerge quando la coscienza (civiltà) cede.
6. Comportamento collettivo e contagio emotivo (Le Bon)
Golding anticipa le teorie della psicologia sociale sul comportamento collettivo: Nelle folle (o gruppi ristretti in isolamento), le persone possono perdere inibizioni e comportarsi in modo irrazionale e violento. Il gruppo diventa dominante e l’individuo si annulla → contagio emotivo e de-responsabilizzazione.
Conclusione psicologica
Il romanzo mostra come le strutture psicologiche e sociali crollino in assenza di regole e controllo. È un monito su quanto il male non sia un’eccezione, ma una possibilità latente in ogni essere umano.
Riflessione personale
Il signore delle mosche è un libro che lascia il segno. All’inizio può sembrare una semplice avventura, ma pagina dopo pagina ci si rende conto che si sta assistendo a una discesa nella parte più oscura dell’animo umano. È un testo duro, talvolta disturbante, ma proprio per questo necessario. Mi ha colpito in particolare come i bambini, che dovrebbero incarnare la purezza, siano in realtà capaci di crudeltà e sopraffazione. Il romanzo ci mette di fronte a una realtà scomoda: la civiltà è fragile, e basta poco per far emergere l’istinto animale che si nasconde dentro di noi. Un classico che ogni adolescente e adulto dovrebbe leggere almeno una volta nella vita. Non solo per la bellezza della scrittura, ma per il messaggio profondo che ci obbliga a guardarci dentro.
I have got to admit I canned Spotify subs years ago - but how are they managing to grow their subscriber base whn it is now going to be £11.99 in the UK? That is way, way too high for what it offers...
Your monthly Spotify Premium subscription will increase by £1 next month.The music streaming giant announced today that subscription costs will rise from £10.99 to £11.
Spotify has a become a shit show lately. I don't like that the CEO is supporting a genocidal state, the platform is full of fake AI artists and playlists. Artists aren't getting paid enough. the price hikes and the app just feels so bloated with unnecessary bullshit. Because of this, I switched to self hosting my own music server (Navidrome, and Lidarr) and I use the symphonium app on Android. Really happy with that solution
I recently switched from arch to kionite and I quite like it a lot. There is defenitly more stability and security. Although rpm-ostree I quite a learning curve compared to pacman.
Either way for anyone curious ask NY anything about the distro / the switch to it.
Ah, I did the exact same about a week ago. To be fair, I installed Kinoite on a second laptop, because I really need my working setup for the next couple of weeks. So I am not forced to use the Kinoite.
The thing that mostly drives me back to Arch, ist that I dont really understand the different appoaches of flatpak, toolbox and the package layering, or more their specific pros and cons and when I want/have to use what, depending also on my threat model.
I even struggled to get my Thunderbird working with my old config, because it wouldn't recognize my .thunderbird in /var/apps/net.thunderbird.Thunderbird/...
Although Fedora has a quite good documentation, which I read with joy (which is not usual) I feel that I am missing some graphical depiction, or something 😁
I think the last 2 days I didn't touch this, because I was thinking about writing a lemmy post, with the following:
What are the most obvious things one has to learn/understand, before switching from arch to immutable (esp. kinoite) ?
What steps in your workflow changed, and how do you feel about them? Like do you like them? Is it annoying, but you know it's for good so you still do it? Do you really don't like something?
Thanks for your post, it came just at the right time 😁
I tried bazzite, which is very close to kinoite, as Fedora itself had a great out of box experience, even on laptops.
Whilst there was a way to get most setups, apps and configs working it was clear I would eventually run into a piece of software that the effort to get it working was not worth it. Some software and development tools are not (yet) designed and maintained to easily work in an immutable environment.
My biggest gripe was that any interaction with os-tree meant that updates now started to take a really long time building the image with high CPU/power usage. I wasn't ditching Windows to go back to a world of unnecessarily long updates.
For some, I can see the immutable can work well if they want an Android like experience and can accept the software catalog available. It wasn't the right model for me, as I expected my machine to do more than point and click app install. I would be curious how your typical arch user would find it.
I haven't yet run into any piece of software that's fundamentally incompatible with the immutable model thanks to distrobox. This also means I don't have any packages layered, so updates are very quick.
I just can’t recommend Aurora, Bluefin and Bazzite enough. Go read Bazzite’s docs. If you had ever used MacOS as a developer and wanted to use Linux tooling, the way you are supposed to work with atomic distros will be suddenly clear to you.
Idea of this distro different Rpm-ostree mostly not supposed to use at all or used in rare case to install some system driver or etc packages ,everything else .to install software it supposed to use flatpak,appimages and toolbox(I prefer distrobox which possible to install either and work both using podman) to create containers in which will be small copies of OSes ,u can install any u need Debian/arch/Ubuntu/fedora and they would be mutable in container and not touching with binaries libs and etc main system.
honestly, it's going to take a lot for me to switch distros. i had Gentoo for 5y. finally ran out of time to compile and dispatch config. used Debian for 10y. finally bought a new machine where I needed latest Wayland, kernel and drivers, and Debian testing didn't cut it. switched to arch.
to switch now id need something essential that absolutely can't be done in arch.
I tried Kinoite a while back and the included Box Buddy couldn't clone containers. I took it all the way back to the docker command that was cloning and it would just fail out. Same version of Box Buddy/Distrobox/docker on regular Fedora worked fine. Pinged the developer of Box Buddy and he figured it was something about how Kinoite worked that was messing with it and I should ask the Kinoite maintainers. At that point my curiosity was exhausted and I'd run into the software install annoyances with rpm-ostree based distros, and just went back to Fedora.
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For my Laptop I wanted to stick with the basics and go from there so I didnt really checket wether there where any distros based of off kinoite or silverblue. I want to use only packages I need. I guess aurora bazzite etc would remove the fedora flatpaks out of the box which would have saved maybe 5 minutes vut either way I dont want to install derivatives from derivatives etc. for example mint or cachy(I know these have different bases the point is I want to stick to the source as close as possible)
Now on my pc on the other hand I just installed bazitte because I do play video games on it.
Fedora licensing cripples the stock Silverblue offerings. Using an immutable without the drivers and codecs baked in is not great. Sure you can add these with ostree, but then why use an immutable ..
Soldati in equipaggiamento europeo dell’inizio del XX secolo che s’inoltrano entro una macchia di vegetazione densa di ombre e prospettive poco chiare.
Jumuta
in reply to Cikos • • •Fecundpossum
in reply to Jumuta • • •But that doesn’t mean it’s a good place to start.
Try Linux Mint, Ubuntu, or Fedora. Any of these will be easier than Arch and offer point and click installation for steam, drivers, and just about anything else.
When you get some more experience, instead of arch you can try endeavourOS. it’s basically arch with good defaults and has a fantastic KDE implementation.
paequ2
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •I recently tried Fedora for the first time last week... and was pleasantly surprised! Out of these 3, I feel like Fedora looks the nicest. Fedora Workstation's installer is a little nicer than Ubuntu's. I also think the update screen during reboot is a nice touch.
Fecundpossum
in reply to paequ2 • • •Cikos
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in reply to Cikos • • •Cikos
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •im not sure if my machine will need that level of stuff for my usage nor my tech level that high to require something like that. so its nice to know that i will not lose much if i change distro with a more streamlined one.
after lots of input i decide to just play with arch until it breaks then switch to bazzite.
thank you for your input
Diplomjodler
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Fecundpossum
in reply to Diplomjodler • • •I almost always advise against atomic distros for noobs. They are extremely limiting, add multiple complications to otherwise simple tasks, and the padded cell of immutability means you can’t really fuck around and learn how traditional Linux systems work.
I’m usually distro agnostic and just happy to see people use whatever Linux they like, but immutables have issues.
pyssla
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Assuming you're referring to Fedora Atomic, your statement is extremely exaggerated. Out of the top of my head, the current limitations are iffy akmods and UKI/systemd-boot. The latter of which is being worked on currently and might arrive rather sooner than later. Neither of which I'd assume 95% of Linux users ever engage with anyways...
I feel like you don't know what you're talking about. Please be explicit; which tasks are made more complicated on Fedora Atomic?
It's true that you aren't supposed to "fuck" around (most of)
/usrduring runtime. Furthermore, I agree that the existing ways to circumvent/bypass this leave much to be desired. But, again, most peeps use perfectly fine systems without ever feeling the need to tinker with/usr... And if you absolutely must..., well..., Fedora Atomic doesn't actually stop you. It just wants you to adhere to its ways of achieving it. Making it more of a paradigm shift, rather than outright limiting the user.If your criticism basically boils down to "I can't make use of my preconceived notion on how Linux works.", then "Yes."; that's exactly the point. Granted, it wouldn't hurt if Fedora Atomic allowed conventional methods to continue working. But as it's currently in the middle of a architectural shift (going from
rpm-ostreetobootc), I'd argue they've got more important things to work on.UKI/systemd-boot tracker
cgwalters (GitHub)Fecundpossum
in reply to pyssla • • •I would say the greatest limitation would be repos and your ability to build whatever software you want from source. Having access to the AUR allows me access to much wider array of software. Can you run Hyprland and all of its companions like hyprlock, hyprpaper, etc on bazzite? That’s the setup I prefer, and I’m fairly certain it’s not possible in a Fedora based immutable system.
I don’t want or need guardrails to keep my system running correctly. If you do, or just enjoy the stability, cool. I’m just glad you’re not running windows. I don’t think bazzite is bad. I just don’t think it should be the go to for welcoming newcomers.
pyssla
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Thank you for the quick answer and for providing clarifications!
What do you mean? What's wrong with Fedora's repos? Apologies if I sound obtuse*.
There's nothing preventing you from doing this within a container created by Toolbx/Distrobox. I can attest to this. You can even build it natively. While I haven't personally engaged in building it natively, I can't imagine it would cause any problems. But please correct me if your experience (or otherwise) is different.
Fam, break your leg. Nothing is stopping you; someone else has already done just that. And you can just piggy-back of their effort. In case you'd like to see other (successful) attempts at making Hyprland work on Fedora Atomic: consider taking a look at wayblue and hyprland-atomic.
GitHub - BillyAddlers/phosphophypr: A Hyprland-focused Image for Fedora Atomic, based on Bazzite Gnome.
GitHubFecundpossum
in reply to pyssla • • •Huh. Well, today I learned.
You do sound obtuse, but thanks for the education.
I still think bazzite is the wrong suggestion for newcomers, and I don’t care if you like my opinion.
pyssla
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •~~Hehe 😛 . Please feel free to clarify what you meant with the repos being limiting (or something). I'm genuinely interested to know.~~ See Edit down below
It's your absolute prerogative to believe/think/state whatever you wish. However, I don't think you've yet made a convincingly compelling case. You absolutely don't have to, but if you've got more to say on the subject matter, then please do so for the sake of (potentially) enlightening others.
Good.., I suppose. Neither should you care anyways 😜.
Edit: I only now noticed that you had edited your previous post. My apologies.
Agreed. I also occasionally access stuff from there through my dedicated Arch distrobox. I occasionally make use of my Ubuntu distrobox, or Alpine distrobox as well. Thanks to Distrobox (and similar technologies), it has become an absolutely glorious experience to not be limited by the distro's repos. Instead, I can make use of whatever repos are out there. Granted; Distrobox is not exclusive to Fedora Atomic, but you'd be hard-pressed to find another distro on which it works as well as it does on uBlue's offerings.
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in reply to pyssla • • •pyssla
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •FWIW, I have edited my previous comment.
Anyhow, if you wish to disengage, then I'd like to wish you a great day. If not, then I'm (patiently) awaiting your return 🙂.
Fecundpossum
in reply to pyssla • • •Honestly it sounds like you’ve mastered a completely new kind of operating system, based on Linux but evolving in its own direction, and there’s probably only a handful of people using it at that level. It’s pretty cool to learn more about, so I appreciate what you’ve had to say.
I already know and love traditional Linux and don’t see a compelling reason to change, and as I’ve repeated, I don’t think it’s the way to point a newcomer.
pyssla
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Thanks for the compliment 😅. I do think there's some truth in it being a new kind of Linux-based OS. But it's not as big of a departure like say NixOS. Heck, I'd argue it's grounded within a relatively basic premise: What's the minimal amount of effort required to make our current Linux systems attain desirable qualities like being reprovisionable and anti-hysteresis? The whole
bootc-shebang is just leveraging existing container technologies (I'm sure you're familiar with Docker) to the Linux you run on your computer.If we would (perhaps arbitrarily) choose for "that level" to be "crazy enough to create and run their own image"^[As that's most likely my biggest Fedora Atomic achievement.], then it's true that our numbers are probably only in the order of hundreds. Though, the knowledge required to build your own image is (almost) equivalent to the knowledge one ought to have to create their own OCI image; you know, the very same used for Docker, the container technology that represents a billion dollar industry.
I appreciate it. I like conversing with you as well 😊!
That's perfectly valid.
Please allow me to explain why I differ on this:
The beginner has no preconceived notion on how Linux is 'supposed' to work. As such, they will adapt to whatever you throw at it. Be it Mint, Arch or Fedora Atomic. Heck, it's undeniable that out of these, Fedora Atomic works the closest like their phone. Which has undoubtedly become the most recognizable OS for your average Joe.
FYI, Fedora Silverblue was my foray into Linux. The first one or two weeks definitely gave me a hard time, but that was over three years ago. If I was able to survive in such a 'hostile' environment, then newcomers should have absolutely no trouble getting onboard with the introduction of Bazzite (and the other uBlue images).
“Immutable” → reprovisionable, anti-hysteresis
Colin WaltersFecundpossum
in reply to pyssla • • •Honestly it sounds like you’ve mastered a completely new kind of operating system, based on Linux but evolving in its own direction, and there’s probably only a handful of people using it at that level. It’s pretty cool to learn more about, so I appreciate what you’ve had to say.
I already know and love traditional Linux and don’t see a compelling reason to change, and as I’ve repeated, I don’t think it’s the way to point a newcomer.
Whostosay
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Agreed.
CachyOS has all of the gaming stuff (can be just point and click with their welcome popup/installer), is arch based so there's a ton of well made documentation.
Download yay and off to the races
Fecundpossum
in reply to Whostosay • • •Whostosay
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •I used bazzite and I ran into the exact issues you described above. It worked, and it worked well, but anything extra that I wanted to do required jumping through a shit load of hoops and bouncing around between bazzite forums, fedora forums, and universal blue forums to maybe not even arrive at a reliable work around.
It was extremely valuable because I had to learn a lot, but it just wasn't nearly as seamless as cachy.
Bazzite will play steam games right off the rip and it will do it well, and is an easy install. Beyond that it can get harry if you're not just using flatpacks.
A lot of people will say "just use distrobox" if your solution to make something work in this OS is to download and use another OS, why wouldn't I just start there with the other OS?
Fecundpossum
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in reply to marighost • • •nfreak
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •This is what I ran into when I first decided to try a linux system desktop after ten years. I wasn't familiar with the new distros around these days, so decided to try Bazzite first. Immediately ran into a driver issue that was apparently not fixable until the (already released) fix made its way into their official repo or something.
Shelved that and gave CachyOS a try (made more sense anyway since I used arch in college and had a steam deck since day 1), and it's been my daily driver for 6 months now.
atzanteol
in reply to Diplomjodler • • •Hanrahan
in reply to Diplomjodler • • •Bazzite's not Arxh based though if thats the OPs.intent?
I have no idea what the OP is trying to achieve though. I just use LMDE with steam
LastWish
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •I'm comfortable with tech but clueless with Linux. What does all this mean?!
But seriously, why would you want endeavorOS instead of sometbing youre saying is more simple, like Mint?
Fecundpossum
in reply to LastWish • • •Increased flexibility and control, some things I like to do work better in an arch based system than a Fedora based system. One of my biggest reasons, is that the tiling window manager I use is better supported on Arch and makes use of many AUR packages. Using the AUR and building from source can be risky if you don’t know what you’re doing.
That fact that you don’t know what any of this means is why you should start with a more beginner friendly distro. You’ll learn, and as your knowledge grows you’ll have a much clearer understanding of your needs in a distro.
Imagine it’s like racing. If you start in a GT3 car pushing 900 horsepower as a beginner you’ll probably die. Which is why most start with karting or racing Miatas. Keep it simple and build your skill set and knowledge as you go.
LastWish
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •I appreciate the reply.
Im definitely going to start beginner friendly. I'm just trying to get a handle on what the differences tangiby mean ahead of it. Every explanation i find seems to be. "You do more, you can customize more, it's more powerful, or only losers dont use the hardest thing possible". Ok, the last one was a joke, kind of.
Fecundpossum
in reply to LastWish • • •The biggest difference? Arch forces you to the terminal more. The easier distros come pre packaged with GUI tools for things like graphics driver selection, adding and removing repositories, installing and removing software, etc.
Vanilla arch doesn’t come with any of that. EndeavourOS, the more fleshed out Arch based distro I use doesn’t either. You could use Mint, Ubuntu, Pop, or Fedora, without ever needing to see the command line. You CAN use it, and should from time to time to start learning, but Arch throws you right into the deep end of the pool of using the command line for almost everything you do.
Some of these people will likely try to say “well actually there are GUI frontends for pacman” or whatever, it’s not the same as using Mint where graphical tools that are easy to use are baked into the system.
wuphysics87
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Fecundpossum
in reply to wuphysics87 • • •Yes start over.
Ubuntu, Mint, Pop_OS, Fedora.
Save your important files on a separate drive, install your new beginner friendly OS of choice, and don’t be afraid to break it. A reinstall from a USB stick takes like 15 minutes, and with your important files stored separately you don’t have to think twice about wiping the system and starting over.
wuphysics87
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in reply to OhVenus_Baby • • •Fecundpossum
in reply to OhVenus_Baby • • •I have a 70 year old father running Ubuntu on a laptop without issue for a couple years now. Everyone’s mileage may vary.
Poor OP probably has no idea what to do now.
seralth
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •Arch has easier points and click install then any of those with things like cachy.
The whole arch is hard thing is a wildly out of date common wisdom. If your using a pre built distro.
ArtixCory
in reply to seralth • • •.debs that don't update with the rest of the system, the list goes on. No shade to anyone who is happy with Ubuntu or Mint, but I too started on Ubuntu and didn't find it intuitive enough to stick around. OP is talking about avoiding the terminal, "just use Debian" is not even a solution to that.Cricket [he/him]
in reply to Fecundpossum • • •I think openSUSE is also a good option for newbies, either the Leap (stable release) or Tumbleweed (rolling release) variants. One nice thing openSUSE does for newbies and why I have been using it in the process of moving away from Windows is that it comes out of the box with automatic system snapshots enabled so that if you break anything it's relatively simple to roll back to a working config.
Fecundpossum
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in reply to anon5621 • • •data1701d (He/Him)
in reply to Cikos • • •As a completely new user who’s self-described as “not very tech savvy”, Arch is probably a terrible idea, and you should switch distros.
I really like Debian, but something like Linux Mint or Fedora might be wiser for you; all three hold your hand more, which would be very important in your case. Fedora and Debian specifically are designed to work well with KDE, although Fedora will have newer versions.
You certainly seem willing to learn (you got through the Arch install process), and I think you still have a great opportunity to enjoy Linux, but considering you’re calling the terminal emulator “Konsole”, your self-description is probably apt. FYI Konsole is just one application to access the terminal, kind of like how Firefox and Chrome are both web browsers, but you don’t use “Chrome” to refer to web browsers.
Cikos
in reply to data1701d (He/Him) • • •anything that have good implementation of kde is worth a look for me. i love kde.
thank you for your info
James R Kirk
in reply to Cikos • • •Go with Bazzite, it tries to mimic SteamOS out of the box. Very easy install/setup process (easier than windows).
Bazzite is Fedora Kinoite with some extra stuff, Kinoite might be better for a desktop setup but either one is totally useable for gaming and desktop so don't overthink it.
pyssla
in reply to Cikos • • •If you're the type of new user that likes to go balls deep straight away, then Arch is arguably one of the better options thanks to its excellent Wiki. However, please don't blatantly overestimate yourself for the heck of it. Consider checking out ArchWiki's own entries on this matter:
- Why would I not want to use Arch?
- I am a complete GNU/Linux beginner. Should I use Arch?
- System maintenance
I don't think this attitude is helpful for conquering Arch, but YMMV.
FWIW, if you just want to emulate SteamOS, perhaps consider Bazzite instead. It's not based on Arch, but it arguably is the closest to SteamOS (but better). More so than any Arch-based distro*.
Bazzite - The next generation of Linux gaming
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Cikos
in reply to pyssla • • •after looking at it more i realized its more of a wiki than a tutorial. my initial thought is if i use pacman to install steam i had to find and get the dependencies by myself so thats why i went with flatpak route.
few people recommend bazzite too. ill try to give it a look
pyssla
in reply to Cikos • • •If you want the system to be out of your way while you get to enjoy your games, then that's exactly what Bazzite is for.
If, instead, you're interested in getting to know how the traditional model of Linux desktop works, then I'd look elsewhere.
deadcade
in reply to Cikos • • •Luckily, Linux has evolved in the past 30 years. A package manager (one usually comes with your system, like apt, dnf, pacman) will handle almost all direct dependencies for you. When installing Steam, you may be asked which 32-bit Vulkan library you want to install, but aside from that it should get everything automatically. (Hint: vulkan-radeon on AMD, otherwise pick the one for your GPU brand)
Managing and "maintaining" (updating, sometimes cleaning) an Arch Linux installation is definitely more involved than what you are used to on Windows or the Steam Deck. Some people prefer this workflow, as it offers more control over their system. Others prefer an already set up and maintained environment.
Bazzite is a very SteamOS-like experience. You click update once in a while, and shouldn't have to touch anything else internal to the system. You get Steam and Flatpaks out of the box.
Since Linux gives everyone the freedom to do things the way they want, there will always be people shitting on a specific way to do things. There are definitely good reasons to dislike certain software, but generally you should be just fine. Just because someone thinks their way of doing things is better doesn't mean you should immediately switch to that.
That being said, the main downside of Steam in a flatpak is the sandboxing possibly getting in the way of modding your games, or games that use unique hardware (like steering wheels or so).
steam(pacman package) does not have those specific issues, but it lacks sandboxing (aside from Steam's pressure vessel for games).You can continue with Arch if you want, and there's certainly good resources to learn (like the wiki) or get help (like the IRC or Matrix rooms). It will require you to learn about how to actually set up and configure your Linux installation the way you prefer. Other distros (usually marketed as "user friendly"), like Fedora, Bazzite, Mint, will automatically perform or set up some of the maintenance you'd have to do manually on Arch.
pyssla
in reply to deadcade • • •Cikos
in reply to deadcade • • •bobs_monkey
in reply to Cikos • • •Perhaps it may not be a bad idea to dual boot Arch and SteamOS or BazziteOS until you get the hang of Arch. While Arch is a very flexible system, accidents happen, and it'd be a shame to lose game progress due to system breakage.
And fyi, Konsole is simply a terminal application for your command line. Personally I don't really mess with flatpaks, and I suggest getting familiar with pacman (Arch's package manager) and the AUR.
Cikos
in reply to bobs_monkey • • •im not sure if they released steamos yet, few people recommend bazzite ill give it a look later
ive heard of aur, ill try to look at it further, thanks for the info
bobs_monkey
in reply to Cikos • • •store.steampowered.com/steamos…
It's a recovery image, but can be used for a fresh PC install.
SteamOS
store.steampowered.comCikos
in reply to bobs_monkey • • •HelloRoot
in reply to Cikos • • •Here is my tutorial:
sudo pacman -Syu steamIt's as easy as that. Thats how I run it.
When I started my Linux journey, I went with Ubuntu and kept breaking it every year for a couple of years, which taught me a lot. Then eventually I hopped to Arch and I've been running the same setup since. For over 6 years now. I am very lazy, so I don't do anythjng special unless it breaks.
My setup has automatic btrfs snapshots and manual offsite backups with borg.
My workflow is:
So yeah it's quite involved, but I got better at it with time and again, most of the time everything just works and I can enjoy weekly improvements or new features to play with.
I am a bit on the fence which advice to give you. Either keep it and run with it for a while longer or install a simpler gaming focused distro. It's up tp you really.
Cikos
in reply to HelloRoot • • •thank you for telling me your workflow. with bit of time i think i can follow your workflow as its quite simple (at least sound like it)
yeah, about that. it seems i mixed wiki as tutorial and was but intimidated when i saw how to do manual terminal config for controller setup, graphic driver, and other stuffs. in my mind that just getting the base app is not enough, you need to find the specific perquisite and getting them one by one.
i decided that ill keep playing with arch until it breaks then ill see if i want to give it another go or try bazzite. i love tinkering but software tinker is a bit out of my depth
cRazi_man
in reply to Cikos • • •You're not screwed. Depends on how much you enjoy tinkering and troubleshooting.
My main advice would be to keep your data backed up and completely disconnected from the PC. And make sure your machine is not critical (i.e. for working from home or something). Other than that you do what you want. If you want to dive deep in Arch then that's fine.
One thing to know is that the important part relevant to you is: the desktop environment (KDE) and the Linux distro (Arch) are different things. The far more important thing for you is to have KDE.... the distro underneath just needs to not get in the way.
If you've got Arch up and running then stick with it until it gives you trouble. I naturally ended up distro hopping in the beginning because I would catastrophically break something I couldn't repair and could change distros naturally when reinstalling.
Good options for easy distros with KDE would be:
Cikos
in reply to cRazi_man • • •this pc is mostly for gaming and entertainment so not much is lost if its wiped or broke.
i do love tinkering, just that software tinker is a bit out of my depth
thank you for your input. after a lot of other input and consideration i'll keep playing with arch until it broke then ill decide later if i want to retry it or go with bazzite. or maybe see other enticing distro too. there is so much..
Fizz
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in reply to Cikos • • •Otter
in reply to Cikos • • •It sounds like you're thinking of Arch + KDE as similar to building a PC, where if you get the same parts you can hook them up for the same experience.
I think their team chose Arch to build their distro off of because it's very customizable and made it easy for them to add their configurations, interface layers, hardware optimizations etc. That doesn't make it the best choice for a beginner unless you want to be thrown into the deep end and spend some time to learn a bunch.
IMO you should look into something like Bazzite or some other atomic Fedora, or OpenSuse, so that you can have a running operating system you can game on. Then you can spend some time learning about Linux with the functioning PC. There are ways to run other Linux distros inside your main one if you want to play with them and learn about them.
Unless you have another machine to use day to day, I find it annoying to be learning with the same machine I need for other things.
Cikos
in reply to Otter • • •yeah you nailed it.
i think ill keep learning arch and see how far i got, when it inevitably break ill choose later if i want to retry it or just go with bazzite, its a mostly pc for gaming so there isnt much important stuff in it
Otter
in reply to Cikos • • •folaht
in reply to Cikos • • •I think you're better off with CachyOS than Bazzite to be honest.
It's Arch-based, comes with an installer with KDE Plasma as default and on top of that is optimized for performance and geared towards gaming.
The only reason people are recommending Bazzite
is because CachyOS is only a year old, while Bazzite is two years old,
unless someone can prove me otherwise.
In any case Bazzite is RHEL-based, so it won't have the AUR or pacman,
which are the two things that set Arch-based Operating Systems apart from the rest of the pack.
AUR and pacman are superior to all other repositories and package managers.
pyssla
in reply to folaht • • •CachyOS has been installable (at least) as early as . Its GitHub page is even older, going as far back as October of 2021.
Bazzite, on the other hand, is at least a year younger as it dates back to December of 2022.
Bazzite is based on Fedora Atomic. FYI, Fedora is not based on RHEL. Quite the opposite, actually, as Fedora is "upstream" of RHEL.
Come out of your cave, fam. Distrobox has been out for years now. And, with it, everyone has access to every other repo (including the AUR). We've finally evolved.
Commits · CachyOS/linux-cachyos
GitHubfolaht
in reply to pyssla • • •Thank you for that info, but then why are so many advising Bazzite instead of CachyOS?
CachyOS is Arch-based, Bazzite is not.
And thank you for that info.
So Red Hat decided to put Fedora in front and put RHEL in the back?
Red Hat used to be the base OS of Fedora, no?
Again, thank you for that info.
But I don't think any container app would diversify distros or make Fedora distros more popular.
In fact, it probably will lead to AUR-based distros becoming even more popular,
because one will have access to all the other smaller repos,
as AUR becomes the standard.
pyssla
in reply to folaht • • •Thank you for the kind words, fam. Much appreciated 😊!
Assuming you're referring to why so many others recommended Bazzite to OP instead of CachyOS. I believe it stems from the following line of OP:
And even if the following is true:
It's simply undeniable that Bazzite is closer to SteamOS compared CachyOS, by virtue of how it -just like SteamOS- doesn't deliver the traditional model of desktop Linux but instead goes all-in on a new paradigm. A simple example to point this out would be how both SteamOS and Bazzite default to automatic updates:
- SteamOS; github.com/ValveSoftware/Steam…
- Bazzite; docs.bazzite.gg/Installing_and…
CachyOS, by contrary, doesn't. Though it ain't hard to enable this: github.com/CachyOS/cachy-updat…
This is all tied to the aforementioned paradigm shift. I can name a lot more similarities if you happen to be interested.
It seems that RHEL has been based on Fedora for over twenty years now 😅. As Red Hat Linux seems to predate Fedora, perhaps it was based on RHEL once upon a time, but it hasn't been for a long time. Regardless, documentation on this event seems to be relatively sparse. As such, I wasn't able to arrive at a definitive conclusion. Please feel free to complete my 'research' 😜!
Sorry, I didn't quite get this. Do you mean that "container app"s will not succeed in decentralizing efforts and instead have the opposite effect?
Perhaps you misunderstood me, but to be clear: Distrobox is basically available on every distro out there. So it's not a Fedora-thing to begin with. (Though, it has to be said that I've yet to see it being better utilized/integrated than uBlue's images.)
Hmm..., I don't quite understand why you think like that. There's a lot that goes into making distros unique and deserving of their existence. Strictly limiting their appeal to the size of their respective (user) repos is honestly a disservice to the grandiose effort put out by our respected F(L)OSS developers.
Though, I kinda wonder... Why are you even praising Arch for this? Shouldn't you root for NixOS instead as they're the ones to possess the biggest repo?
[Feature Request] Automatic Updates toggle
Spidy123222 (GitHub)folaht
in reply to pyssla • • •I only used Fedora in college on shared college computers and that was over twenty years ago.
It was brand new back then as they switched over from Solaris.
I was under the impression back then that Fedora was a Red Hat Linux derative like Ubuntu was of Debian,
Ubuntu being the OS I was using at that time and the Linux Distro Timeline implies as such, however...
Businesses weren't too keen about Red Hat's six month release cycle, as the short time interpolation was too disruptive for them.
Red Hat then decided to have a seperate OS with a long-term support cycle and call that Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL).
At the same time, users were demanding a 'Red Hat Community Edition', so Fedora came into existance and that was then used as an upstream source for RHEL.
Yes. It'll make some OSes more pointless. People will try out the distro in the distrobox, get what they need out of it and not bother installing it
or jump ship to the better one.
No, it's clear.
It's a defining feature for me.
I had to jump off Ubuntu and Parabola for this reason.
For Ubuntu I needed the latest version of some package and for Parabola it was certain packages that were non-free.
Distrobox did not exist back then.
NixOS sounds very interesting, but the moment I tried to install the distro- package manager I noticed aws packages and I have an aversion of anything remotely Amazon.
Guix peaks my interest even more now that you've mentioned Distrobox.
I think I'll take the jump.
Mark with a Z
in reply to Cikos • • •I'm guessing the reasons Valve chose Arch are mostly related to ability to build and maintain a distro based on it. On SteamOS, Valve is responsible for the system working. On plain Arch, a lot of that is on you.
So maybe stay if you want to take the challenge and learn. You already installed it so thet's something. Or switch to a normal distro if you'd rather not bother.
For flatpak, it's a package format for distributing "apps", that works on about any distro out there. Most of the time it's fine, but steam is an exception. Don't use flatpak steam, the sandboxing breaks it.
Cikos
in reply to Mark with a Z • • •i see, thats good to know ill fix mine.
thank you, ill go with arch for now and see how far i got
katy ✨
in reply to Cikos • • •i knew a fair amount about linux cli since ive used ubuntu and debian for servers for like 15 years so i was someone knowledgeable but when i decided to wipe away windows on my desktops i picked linuz mint because it was ubuntu based but also it was recommended for beginners. for the most part it works great, i can use steam and heroic. i cant get warcraft classic working but i just need to dig in more.
the one problem i had was when i first started and it wouldnt boot up but i just command line restored using timeshift and it fixed it and i havent had a problem since.
i havent once had issues with drivers or anything. i even installed it on an old computer for my dads church who mostly use it for powerpoint (now libreoffice) and projecting. they know nothing about computers and theyve been fine. i do want to enable auto updates for them though so they dont have to do that.
fossilesque
in reply to Cikos • • •GitHub - r-darwish/topgrade: Upgrade everything
GitHubCikos
in reply to fossilesque • • •fossilesque
in reply to Cikos • • •LeFantome
in reply to Cikos • • •You are 90% of the way there.
Just keep your system up to date (update packages weekly maybe) and you will be fine. The system mostly manages itself.
I recommend installing both the current kernel and an LTS kernel. If you ever have a problem with a driver or a filesystem or something after an update, just boot into LTS and you are back up and running.
BlameTheAntifa
in reply to Cikos • • •You haven't provided a lot of detail on what your current setup looks like. If you use a gaming-focused distro like Cachy or Bazzite they should essentially work "out of the box." Bazzite is also very difficult to break since the immutability makes for very effective guard rails for new users.
If you went with Arch right off the bat, you did take on quite a lot for a new user, but - and I do genuinely mean this - there is no better way to learn the ins and outs of Linux than jumping into the Arch deep end. Even if you choose to switch to a lower-maintenance distro, your effort with Arch is never wasted.
Want a very low maintenance gaming distro with almost no setup? Bazzite.
Want a more hands-on gaming centric distro like SteamOS? CachyOS.
Want a more stable all-around distro that also works great for gaming? Fedora.
Avoid Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu. You will see Mint recommended often, but I personally only recommend it for older hardware that you are trying to revitalize. There are better options.
A new version of Debian just released, and there is no more rock solid distro than Debian. Add KDE Plasma and you will have a very low maintenance, pleasantly familiar, extremely reliable system.
nickwitha_k (he/him)
in reply to Cikos • • •First, I would like to give you some major props. Installing Arch, in itself, is a big deal. It is not a beginner-friendly distro. It is a very power-user friendly distro and has an incredible wiki that is helpful, at least to some degree, for many distros.
For a beginner distro, I would recommend Linux Mint for its easy transition and great focus on user experiences or Bazzite if you really want to install and get gaming.
When taking drivers in Linux, most are provided as either kernel modules (integrated into the kernel, so you don't have to worry about installing anything) or packaged for the distro, in which case, once installed via package manager, they'll auto-update whenever you update system packages. They are so much easier to deal with than Windows drivers (for the end user). For example, to use a Wacom drawing tablet, all one has to do is plug it in.
phx
in reply to Cikos • • •Arch has a bit of a steeper learning curve. Ubuntu is probably the most "mainstream", but I prefer Mint (based on Ubuntu) for some user-friendly changes. PopOS (already based on Ubuntu) is also supposed to be a bit more gaming centric if you've got an Nvidia card.
I've got an AMD kit in my main machine and Nvidia/Intel in my laptop and both work fine with most Steam games using Proton.
marcie (she/her)
in reply to Cikos • • •twice_hatch
in reply to Cikos • • •Arch is very high-maintenance. Try Debian 13, it just came out this week. Ubuntu is okay but it has a lot of crapware compared to Debian. If your Wi-Fi and GPU work on Debian you do not need Ubuntu.
I'm an experienced Linux desktop user of about 15 years and I switched from Arch to Debian and I don't miss Arch. If you need bleeding-edge software you can use a combo of Nix, language package managers, and building from source. Arch doesn't add much plus I frequently ran the wrong pacman command and soft-locked myself out of the OS. Debian doesn't do that to me.
dil
in reply to Cikos • • •ratatouille
in reply to Cikos • • •I only installed the latest ubuntu (cause of latest gpu driver updates) then I installed steam from software center and it works nothing to do anymore.
Zen_Shinobi
in reply to ratatouille • • •selokichtli
in reply to Cikos • • •Captain Aggravated
in reply to Cikos • • •Joe B
in reply to Cikos • • •Welcome to Linux where you maintain your own os.. You are literally the owner of this ship you want to destroy your system to ahead you want to do whatever cause windows pissed you off go ahead.. evening can be fixed usually.. try all the distros till you like some and use those.
How does it feel to be in control and not have to listen to the Man ?
Cikos
in reply to Joe B • • •brax
in reply to Cikos • • •sudo pacman -SyuAnd done, usually. Lol
JackbyDev
in reply to brax • • •brax
in reply to JackbyDev • • •silasmariner
in reply to Cikos • • •sudo packman -Syuand try to remember to run that every so often. The arch Linux wiki is second to none, and if you stick with the distro you should find it all feels very familiar in no time.Cikos
in reply to silasmariner • • •I just found out about ricing. so satisfactory is probably an illusive state...
MrScottyTay
in reply to Cikos • • •AHamSandwich
in reply to MrScottyTay • • •randomaside
in reply to AHamSandwich • • •TerHu
in reply to randomaside • • •HiddenLayer555
in reply to MrScottyTay • • •dil
in reply to Cikos • • •Uairhahs
in reply to dil • • •Highly recommend this for you OP. This would be the easiest course of action. Do you have to use Konsole, yes but for a few commands and once done you can do everything you need via GUI and not have to touch shell again for daily operations.
Catchy have a very powerful script that attaches all their pacman.conf (list of places where arch will look for it's software)
Here's a link to the section Adding CachyOS to existing Arch Install
Once that's done you only need one more command
Octopi will let you manage all your software and kernel updates without having to touch terminal or having to use flatpaks.
I would recommend packages:
- cachyos-hooks
- linux-cachyos
- linux-cachyos-header
- cachyos-kernel-manager
- proton-cachyos
- wine-cachyos
- cachyos-gaming-meta
This will have you fully set up and ready to seamlessly game on your machine without having to reinstall a OS.
Optimized Repositories
CachyOSCikos
in reply to Uairhahs • • •JackbyDev
in reply to dil • • •daggermoon
in reply to Cikos • • •bigpEE
in reply to daggermoon • • •I second this. The initial setup is the hard part. Give it a couple days. The arch wiki is the best resource in the whole Linux ecosystem in my opinion. If that's the long manual you were looking at for installing steam, know that 90% of it is info on strange edge cases and all a typical user will need to do is
sudo pacman -Syuthensudo pacman -S steam(I forgot you have to enable the multilib repository if you haven't already. You seem smart, you'll find the info in the wiki)A couple times a year or so something will break after an update. When that happens
1. Google if anyone else has posted your exact problem
2. See if chatgpt knows anything
3. Humbly post in the arch user forum
One of those will solve it. Good luck!
JackbyDev
in reply to bigpEE • • •Cikos
in reply to bigpEE • • •Cikos
in reply to daggermoon • • •daggermoon
in reply to Cikos • • •Regular Water
in reply to Cikos • • •youmaynotknow
in reply to Regular Water • • •If you're using an Nvidia card, the easiest way into Linux for gaming (in my opinion) is Bazzite, as aguasemgas mentioned.
Otherwise, any distro will do. I prefer Fedora Workstation, which is what I use for work (as do my wife and kids) but use Bazzite in my laptop because it's a System76 Gazelle with a 3050TI,and I don't like the current status of PopOS. All my games run great, and everything else is a FlatPak, so not much need to tweak anything really.
JackbyDev
in reply to Cikos • • •Where did you see this? What was the context? I ask because you could say the same thing about any PC you own. It's not like Microsoft is gonna answer your distress call if Windows breaks unless you're paying for support.
TMP_NKcYUEoM7kXg4qYe
in reply to JackbyDev • • •from Arch Wiki FAQ:
It does not explicitly say "maintain" but it has a similar vibe to it.
Frequently asked questions - ArchWiki
wiki.archlinux.orgCikos
in reply to JackbyDev • • •Horse {they/them}
in reply to Cikos • • •sudo pacman -Syu- do this about once every couple of days to make sure your packages are up-to-datei can't think of anything else i have to do as part of maintaining my system outside of backups
Tattorack
in reply to Cikos • • •Yes, you're screwed.
You're mega extra screwed.
They know where you live.
They're coming for you.
Hide.
Cikos
in reply to Tattorack • • •muusemuuse
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