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It is absolutely *wild* to me that media organizations still do not put RSS/Atom :rss: feed info front-and-center on their websites.

One needs to dive into HTML code or use external tools to discover their feeds.

It is wild because this is one of the easiest, least-effort ways to reach their audience. Encouraging RSS/Atom use is a phenomenal way of becoming less reliant on gatekeepers like huge social media platforms.

Come on! :angrycat:

in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

And don't get me started on the absolutely screwed up, hilariously misguided decision by Mozilla to remove the RSS/Atom :rss: button from the default Firefox UI a long while back.

You absolutely hopeless nincompoops!.. :blobcatfacepalm:

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in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

don’t worry, they are adding an “AI” chat button that you can ask for an RSS feed and get bonus hallucinated content for free.

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in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

Hey, they had to make space in the codebase for all those revolutionary AI features their users were demanding!

(yes, I'm being sarcastic)

in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

Thankfully Awesome RSS exists. Unfortunately it currently only has around 4600 users.
in reply to Andromxda 🇺🇦🇵🇸🇹🇼

Most of the times adding /RSS or /feed to the URL is enough to get the feed. That's mostly good to me.
in reply to mkb

@mkb honestly, in most cases I am pretty sure it's a complete lack of understanding.
@mkb
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@mkb I’d say laziness. “Everyone has facebook/twitter”. Why should they host a website with news when it can be consumed in these other platforms. So annoying. Would much rather stay in my rss reader. Esp. with no fb/twitter anymore
@mkb
in reply to mkb

@mkb i like the way the selfh.st/ newsletter does it, they has a paid RSS feed without ads, and a free RSS feed that only shows the article title and a link to the website
@mkb
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

Look if we can't engorge 430 cross domain bloaters and data grifters making a page render hundreds of MBs so I can read a paragraph of text, the what is the web even for...
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

unsure if it'd been linked at all (post replies haven't back filled yet) but I use an addon to get some of the auto-detection back. Not ideal having to do so but eases it a bit!

github.com/robalexdev/blog-que…

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in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

for a while it was more commonplace; then they all caught the advertising bug and started purposefully removing RSS/Atom feeds or making it difficult to use because it generally means less revenue from advertising.
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

#notallmediaorganizations

podnews.net - it's literally in the nav bar.

in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

And in terms of the funnel? You are literally catering to people already interested in your shit!
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

mfer they are taking down their RSS feeds... precisely because it's lo-fi and no ads. I have a canary account on IG and the number of RSS feeds crippled is 65% of my original set. CNN is showing a feed from 2023.
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

in a previous employment, a university news site used RSS extensively, we setup the news site with tags for departments, programs, etc and the corresponding sites or microsites consumed the news which kept them looking very fresh!

I agree not enough organizations do this

in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

I dive into news websites or blog source code to find an RSS link whenever I find an interesting site that isn't on #Mastodon.

Through #RSS and RSS Parrot I can pull them into the #Fediverse and subscribe to their feed right here.

More at: rss-parrot.net

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in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

wholeheartedly agree with you! You should shout this from the rooftops!

Now, I wanted to email my normie friends to say: if you wanna know what I’m up to, you could follow my Fedi profile(s)’s RSS feeds…

I absolutely LOVE this about Fedi software.

Anyway I realized that virtually none of my normie friends use RSS feeds. Which is really sad. I need to share with them @molly0xfff ‘s superb post first citationneeded.news/curate-wit… 🥲

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in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

Er, a part of it might be, there's a semi-standard way to link an RSS feed to a website, and browsers used to display these links automatically, but modern browsers don't do it anymore. You'll note that this blog post explaining it is twenty years old, which some people born yesterday (or maybe within the last twenty years) would argue makes it obsolete. blog.whatwg.org/feed-autodisco…
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

yeah well, often enough the website maintenance is outsourced. If someone never asked for the RSS feed, it's just not there, or it was disabled by accident, or forgotten after a migration...
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

Can you track engagement?
Can you tailor advertising?

I don't know, but I'm guessing they do. 😒

in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@ace they don’t care about “reaching their audience” when the medium doesn’t allow easy monetisation - reach without income has no value to them.
in reply to R.I.Pienaar

@ripienaar @ace they keep encouraging people to share stuff on social media, where they also (in most places) don't have a way of monetizing – in fact, often they have to *pay* for the reach!
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

I think a big reason is advertising and tracking.

RSS feeds bypass most trackers, analytics, and user profiling, so readers become largely "invisible" from a monetization point of view.

RSS gives control back to readers instead of platforms — and that’s precisely why it’s not encouraged.

On my site, there is RSS 😉

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in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

doesn't help that browsers disabled the icon indicating RSS and instead you need addons bringing it back.
in reply to Nafeon the Bear

@NafiTheBear I said don't get me started 😛
mstdn.social/@rysiek/115850916…


And don't get me started on the absolutely screwed up, hilariously misguided decision by Mozilla to remove the RSS/Atom :rss: button from the default Firefox UI a long while back.

You absolutely hopeless nincompoops!.. :blobcatfacepalm:


in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

Very true - there is a bunch of media whose sites I've stopped following (including many ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corp,that just randomly drop off the map, thinking that being on podcasts is the same thing.)
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

Hey, they simply don't need it! They just molest users with a "subscribe to our wonderful newsletter" message which pops up the instant you access the site. Or some seconds later once you started reading.
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in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

It is crazy. But it's because they all have this belief that they're special and everyone will track down and read all their articles to the last Oxford comma.
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@elmine um, I actually blame the non-considered inclusion of RSS feeds in newspaper website systems in the 90s for the fact people expect their news for free. Newspapers don’t want to reach an audience; journalists do. Newspapers want to keep paying journalists and thus have copyright/control/make money. And they don’t make any off you not going to their website.

(As an idealist I feel similar to you but I also know journalism takes a lot of time and can’t be done as a hobby)

in reply to Anneke

@Anneke @elmine sure, I get that – I had worked at a media org.

But here's the thing, the media orgs keep complaining that social media is so bad for them, eating their cake, not sending people back to their sites, limiting reach, and all that, and yet they keep encouraging people to use that.

RSS/Atom has fewer of these downsides.

in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

It's ignorance. I mean that not as an insult: they don't know about RSS. They've never heard of it.
A couple years back I had to explain what it is because the backend colleagues of a friend of mine from a big multinational company were trying to reinvent it.
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@Anneke @elmine most online news media seem to have RSS/Atom feeds, they just don't expose them anywhere. It's not even a question of "modernization", but of making visible something that already is there.
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@elmine well as I said, if you believe in it, go and offer to help them with it! I would try and find a person in a responsible looking role through linkedin of one of the media outlets you like. All you need is an advocate on the inside who you can convince. At least that’s my experience and now that I’m thinking about this I might help my old paper get on Mastodon
in reply to Anneke

@Anneke @elmine I had worked for a media NGO before, the idea of "helping them" is not foreign to me, I can assure you.
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

@pluralistic Browsers used to auto-find and put an RSS button in the URL bar.

Used to.

I kinda understand why they stopped, but I wish it was a user-selectable option so power users could easily find those feeds. Also, it would allow for the creation of a viral TikTok video about a “secret option” to break free of algorithms which would do more for teaching non-technical users about RSS than anything else ever written.

in reply to Space Invader

@spaceinvader I did say "don't get me started" on that :blobcat:
mstdn.social/@rysiek/115850916…

@pluralistic


And don't get me started on the absolutely screwed up, hilariously misguided decision by Mozilla to remove the RSS/Atom :rss: button from the default Firefox UI a long while back.

You absolutely hopeless nincompoops!.. :blobcatfacepalm:


in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

whoops, didn’t see that other post.

But yes. Very yes. Don’t get me started on the infuriating UI decisions which seem to be the ongoing theme lately. 🙂

in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

I subscribe to a lot of RSS feeds via @NetNewsWire and News Blur.

None of the RSS feeds show any adverts from the newspapers or other publications I follow. Maybe this is why some don't market their feeds.

in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

helpful
rsslookup.com/

also know, GaleOneFile alerts through your public library provide free full-text access to many many paywalled sites: Economist, Barron's, WaPo, etc.

in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦

So true.

Mind you, many websites do have an RSS feed but don't publicise it (mostly, I suspect, due to ignorance).

I use addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firef… to find "hidden" RSS feeds to follow (on my frendica instance).

Screenshot from my next talk -

#u3a #u3a.social @U3ACommunities Computing

in reply to Peter Lord

@plord @u3acommunitiescomputing

> Mind you, many websites do have an RSS feed but don't publicise it (mostly, I suspect, due to ignorance).

This is kind of my point. Most of these sites *do* have RSS/Atom feeds available. They just decide to hide them.

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Anneke
@elmine I get it and I have actually myself set up RSS feeds for the Tubantia that ran for more than a decade after I worked there 😀 but there is noone at the papers doing some modernization direction or thinking about what digital tools to use or how to do it responsibly. Just want to help understand the background here. If it’s something you want and think would be good, a paper would probably be delighted to get help with this stuff, even if they’re part of DPG here