@bazkie the TOS itself applies to the instance you’re on, not to dot social.

What’s unclear to me, is once your content is federated it’s on those servers. So if your own admin is safe, but your content propagates to another server with an unsafe admin, how does that work?

The legal ramifications are all ambiguous because I’m not an attorney. As is the situation with most of us.

@bazkie The Mastodon instance is accepting it on July 1, and if nothing changes the TOS will be pushed out in the next software update, meaning there will be a button other instance operators can press to enable it.

I cannot comment on whether the m.s terms bind on instances federating with m.s— "I don't think so, but some commenters seem to think it does?"

It's very interesting, as a lay person considering hosting an activity-pub based server and allowing open sign-ups, it felt to me like they were trying to hedge against the fact that once something's published online, especially via a federated publishing network, the publisher doesn't have a legally meaningful (to my mind, but I am not a judge) mechanism to reliably unpublished it from the internet. As I read it, they seemed to be asking the user to agree that all parties understood and accepted this.

I could be wrong, of course, and I'm sure the author of your link would say I am (under their subheading "What about federation?" where they seem to think what I describe is handled implicitly, and that's fine for all parties), but nevertheless it's food for thought for me, in how I might compose/adjust a ToS agreement. Thank you for sharing it.

#mastodon #activitypub #piefed #webhosting #hosting #homelab #selfhosted #law #legal #contract #contractLaw #publishing

It may have nothing to do with Meta, but the patterns of behavior are rather similar to when Meta was given access to Mastodon.

It's a security/privacy issue. It may not be a deal with Meta. It may not be a deal with anyone, yet. But with those terms, they can make any deals they want down the road, and I have no legal grounds to prevent it.

The only legal way I can stop this is assume the worst and leave the platform before it's too late. I'm giving myself a couple of days to see how things unfold, but this behavior is incredibly fishy. Even Facebook has better data deletion policies.

@meadow we agree that it’s not great. And I don’t believe anyone is immune to the possibility of doing something like this. Idolatry doesn’t help.

I’m simply saying the connection to Meta is out of left field. That doesn’t mean it’s not true. I just haven’t seen anyone saying anything that supports that Meta has literally anything to do with this. Which is why I’m asking. Not rhetorically.

If you have info, share it. If it’s just an opinion, that’s cool, too.

In the event you are curious, it appears we are not the only ones who think Meta has influenced this situation. Though, they have more evidence whereas mine was mostly instinct and autistic pattern recognition.

github.com/mastodon/mastodon/i…

To be clear, this isn't officially confirmed, nor am I in any way trying to say you are wrong. You seemed genuinely interested in how this plays out, so I thought you may like to see that comment.

New Terms of Service IP clause cannot be terminated or revoked, not even by deleting content

Summary Since it first opened, mastodon.social has operated without any sort of explicit IP grant from the users to the service, which is unusual for a social networking service. Today Mastodon ann...

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@meadow thank you for your honesty and kindness in how you’ve shared this with me. You could have been an ass, but chose to be friendly. I hope that is the sentiment I conveyed to you. Because, yes, I was asking genuinely.

I personally don’t think this has anything to do with Meta, but I’m not saying I’m right. That’s just my opinion. But I’m going to read the comment, and I’ll be open minded about it.

@paco oh, most definitely. This is spot on. We’ve been disappointed by so many great spaces. It’s tragic.

Let’s hope this is simply a misstep, and that they’ll turn it around. I rather like Mastodon. I’d like to stick around with this amazing community.

@v_d_richards "and by nature end the moment the user terminates their account snd thereby stops being part of the agreement?"

I'm not sure what legal principle would require that

It is a bit difficuld for me to properly explain German law-language into english.

For my clarification : in case Mastodon decided to surpeisingly implement an AI into the service, it is your concern, that your data is not deleted, but used to train said Llm after you deleted your account because of that "irrecocable"term?

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Yes. These too.
A SoMe Service provided by a non profit company still has to follow basic privacy and copyright laws.

Most of the term's wording is granting rights to store, share and edit uploaded material, or a SoMe could not do what it is upposed to.

What these TOS do not grant is: "hey, if you ever upload something here it is mine to use howerver i please until forever even if you decide to no longer use my service".

+with a heavy TOS change from: we forbid

+with a heavy TOS change from: we forbid AI scraping to implementing an AI, that would, by German law, create a special right for partners in a contract, to terminate all connections with the resulting right to have ALL your data removed from the company:s storage.

Would Mastodon as as a whole plan to implement AI, i would delete all my materials, then my account and my shit better be gone or my laywer would be involved.

They cannot just refuse to react to legal actions.

That was, what i did, when DevianArt pulled their "LOL, we now have a shiny AI tool and you are by default opt in for your shit to be fet into our Llm."

That blew right into their face and a mass exodus of artists started.

Quite honestly: i don't want AI and if a service i do not need to function in society implements it, i am out no matter if i could technically opt out.
And with Mastodon being like 50% data-sensible ppl: pulling such a stunt would equal suicide.

I forwarded your concerns to the admin of our instance, who writes books and does worksops about data privacy and copyright.

I mark this thread and when she had time to perhaps answery question, i can give the info to you, yes?

On .online the TOS had an explicit part concerning AI scraping and how everything around ot is forbidden.
That is the TOS i agree to.

But to be safe, since Mastodon is by natute open to the web, i only upload art on @Uddelhexe in veeeery low quality