A scientist has made the shocking claim that there's a 49% chance the world will end in just 25 years. Jared Diamond, American scientist and historian, predicted civilisation could collapse by 2050. He told Intelligencer: "I would estimate the chances are about 49% that the world as we know it will collapse by about 2050."
Diamond explained that fisheries and farms across the globe are being "managed unsustainably", causing resources to be depleted at an alarming rate. He added: "At the rate we’re going now, resources that are essential for complex societies are being managed unsustainably. Fisheries around the world, most fisheries are being managed unsustainably, and they’re getting depleted.
"Farms around the world, most farms are being managed unsustainably. Soil, topsoil around the world. Fresh water around the world is being managed unsustainably."
The Pulitzer Prize winning author warned that we must come up with more sustainable practices by 2050, "or it'll be too late".
Honestly is he a scientist? Does he do science,or just find shit that supports his idea.
Edit, I did a bit of googling and it does appear he is still publishing papers, but it feels like he has been beating the "we all gonna die" drum for a long time now.
What we have also seen is education and rising economies reduce the birth rate. If we want to actually curb things: the trend of reducing foreign aid is going to make things worse
That was a pretty good prediction then. "World will end" is obviously a stupid wording, but the point is clear. The entire food supply chain as it is today will collapse, the question is just when it will happen and if we will have completely switched to indoor farming before then.
"Popsci author repeats claim he's been using for decades to sell books that most anthropologists question".
Man, sometimes I think newspapers and traditional media should be banned from reporting on science at all. I am very critical of social media and what Internet does to communication, but I'll admit that the extremely focused experts that communicate on a narrow field for a living do a much, much better job of parsing published claims than traditional generalist news ever did. I am exhausted of impossible galaxies, stars that "should not exist", healthy superfood, cures for cancer and world-ending events.
Any good broad-scale critique fro anthropologists that's worth reading? I've only read one of his books, nearly 20 years ago, but most of what I've heard him say has seemed more or less on point.
All I have is what you can get by looking him up, and I am definitely not an expert. I'm saying that this one guy referencing his one model for his one theory of society-as-ecology deserves a more nuanced headline than "the world is ending in 25 years". If I can speak on anything here it's on the reporting.
He isn't even saying anything that controversial when you dig through to the actual statements, which is a constant of mainstream news reporting on science news. "With all these things, at the rate we’re going now, we can carry on with our present unsustainable use for a few decades, and by around 2050 we won’t be able to continue it any longer" is barely any more severe of a warning than any climate scientist or ecologist has been making about these things for the past four decades.
Hell, if anything he seems to be less concerned than the average Lemmy denizen:
He explained: "As for what we can do about it, whether to deal with it by individual action, or at a middle scale by corporate action, or at a top scale by government action - all three of those.
"Individually we can do things. We can buy different sorts of cars. We can do less driving. We can vote for public transport. That’s one thing.
"There are also corporate interests...I see that corporations, big corporations, while some of them do horrible things, some of them also are doing wonderful things which don’t make the front page."
Post that around these parts, you'll get people calling you a corporate shill for even entertaining that personal behaviour has an impact in this process or that any corporation is doing anything positive.
Don't hear the Express go "dude on the Internet thinks it's high time we ban cars before we all die", though.
I would estimate the chances are about 49% that the world as we know it will collapse by about 2050.
Emphasis added. That's a pretty big bit of weasel-wording there, the world "as we know it" has changed drastically in the past 25 years. Things that we thought were indispensable to the proper functioning of the world order - such as, for example, the lack of a pudding-brained pedophillic fascist in the White House - are no longer operative. Yet we're muddling along well enough, all things considered.
Things are rapidly changing in so many ways right now. Projecting that far forward with any confidence is a bit of a fool's errand.
Absolutely, the world today is also not as we knew it in the 25 years ago, and it's very different compared to the 70's, where the future looked a bit more rosy.
Giant meteor coming to wipe out all of the world's life?
predicted civilisation could collapse by 2050
Oh, so just the collapse of current civilisation. That's happened many, many times already.
While not a good thing for those experiencing it, consider this. As we look back on previous civilisations, would we consider ours to generally be the best up to now? I'd say so. Perhaps what comes next will be even better.
The collapse of a particularly large civilisation is usually a slow affair that is difficult even to spot from the inside as it's happening (consider the slow crumbling of the USA currently for example).
So while it is a period of turmoil and not a small amount of suffering, it's not like everybody is going to die and humanity will go extinct, or anything.
Oh, so just the collapse of current civilisation. That’s happened many, many times already.
Collapse of local civilizations has happened a lot of times. Collapse of the global civilization has not happened yet. And previous collapses happened often improved the living conditions for big parts of the population, because they were farmers who no longer had to support the ruling classes after the collapse. Collapse of food production and distribution when e.g. only 1% of the population are professional farmers (in Germany) will be fundamentally different.
I think it's easy to forget the scale and momentum of the thing.. But yeah, the longer we go without scaling back our energy and resource consumption the harder we're gonna hit that wall.
A scientist has made the shocking claim that there’s a 49% chance the world will end in just 25 years.
100% it will not, no scientist worth anything would ever make such a moronic claim. A possibility could be that civilization will end, but that's not the same as the end of the world, it's just the end of civilization. The earth may change in ways that make it uninhabitable for humans, but that's not the end of the world, "just" the end of humanity. It's very hard to take people serious when they make such obviously erroneous (stupid) claims.
Most likely it's an American, and it's just USA that will end, because Americans tend to think USA = The World.
no scientist worth anything would ever make such a moronic claim.
He didn't. It would have taken you five seconds to read the excerpt OP posted and notice that the actual quote is "I would estimate the chances are about 49% that the world as we know it will collapse by about 2050."
He didn't say the world will end. He didn't even say that civilisation will end. He said that the social order we enjoy today could collapse. But rather than take five seconds to notice that, you decided to yell about nothing because it was more important to voice your opinion than it was to check your facts.
I would estimate the chances are about 49% that the world as we know it will collapse by about 2050.”
EXACTLY, so no scientist would make the previous stupid claim, just as I described, meaning it's probably poor journalism editorializing what the scientist really claimed.
Do you really think I should have made my post LONGER? Further describing how and why it's stupid, can you really not see it from the part I described?
I think you're being, not only pedantic, but also just wrong. "The world will end" is a perfectly apt description to just about anyone about what is going on. The world will be uninhabitable for A MAJORITY of life that currently exists.
Permian extinction: last time shit like this happened, temps rose 10°C over 10,000's of years. Still killed 90% of ALL LIFE. To be so arrogant as to presume that the USA collapsing would not have any knock on effects on the rest of the world. To presume that what kills of humans would do nothing to any other life. To presume that that scientist is a moron who just LOVES AMERICA so very much, because why else would he say things that make me feel bad?
I think you’re being, not only pedantic, but also just wrong.
What part of what I quoted can't you read? It's not being pedantic, it's a matter of facts. Calling it the end of the world is extremely poor semantics, and poor semantics lead to poor understanding.
The world will be uninhabitable
That's not the end of the world either. I described that VERY clearly.
Permian extinction:
Exactly, and that was not the end of the earth either, even the end of all life on earth is not the end of the earth. You may call it merely semantics, I call it facts. Poor semantics result in poor understanding.
This is something historians struggle with, because "Collapse" has happened before, the most famous of which might be the Bronze Age Collapse, or the fall of the western Roman Empire in 473. Needless to say, those didn't result in human extinction, or even the extinction of human habitation in those locations (so Greece was inhabited before the Bronze age collapse, but that predates Classical Greece, which we think of as it's golden age, and one for humanity).
Specifically, it was (natural) climate change or political turmoil (those usually go hand in hand) making long established trade routes and subsistence patterns untenable, and with it, destroying the power of the people who controlled that trade. There was a reduction in trade, as the elites had the money to import, and the disposition to distinguish themselves from the lower classes. There was certainly some population reduction, because food was not moving as much, and populations were reduced to what the locality could support. I want to note that at this point, we see migrations (although we do see violence). I want to thank Patrick Wyman's podcast for teaching me this answer.
So I think, in this case, I think its likely we see this. The current power structure will probably not survive, although pockets of it may hold on in places, and maybe even survive into the next iteration (so think about the Catholic Church, an ancient roman institution survives to this day). Instead, I expect to see local polities spring up, holding on to or rejecting various aspects of the old world. A process of balkanization implies the rest of the world looks on in horror, but I expect to see some process of it happening everywhere. Immediately, these fragments will resemble the world we recognize, but in the centuries that follow, the world will become unrecognizable to us.
I think its also important to note that like, the destruction of the social order, which would suck for a lot of reasons (like the development of technology like vaccines), doesn't necessarily mean a "dark age." Some knowledge was lost (like Roman concrete in the fall of Rome) but I dont think the fall of the modern world precludes the loss of electricity, or motor vehicles, or even something like the telephone.
Thanks for the answer but I'm still not really certain what it would mean to me. I mean if these fascists went away, it might be worth it. Just depends on who rises to take their place.
Well the purpose for asking what a world collapse looks like was to determine what life for a typical person would be and I consider myself to be a typical person (in the US). I kind of view it like the beginning of the movie Interstellar.
In that movie people still had houses but there were items that were in short supply. People had chronic illnesses and there wasn't much that could be done, so they would die prematurely. Crops were failing and it looked like the end of all, or virtually all, life was approaching. I wonder if that's what it looks like.
A lot of the answers were on a macro scale not a sort of day to day life scale. That's what I meant about what it would mean to me.
The collapse of society "as we know it" where we as a species cannot survive by following the same.lifestyle we have depended on in the past.
Our company helps manage a significant percentage of a critical piece of nationwide infrastructure. With what I see everyday, my wife and I have decided to buy fertile land that can be farmed and has its own source of subterranean water so that we can grow enough food to survive (we already switched to plant based diets). We also are investing heavily so that our home can be "off-grid". Summer is covered, but we are still working on winter power generation.
We are not at "prepper" level, but if you're building a new home, why not try to build in some resiliency?
I wasn't allowed to go off grid in my previous home where I had solar installed either. There was also a hard cap on the amount of solar I was allowed to install. Both of these rules were put in place due to lobbying from the largest power company in the region (Duke Energy in my case). It totally sucks,
I'm on the East Coast. So I wonder what happens if you put enough solar on your house to go off grid and then just don't pay your power company? They put you in jail? LOL.
Sorry, I don't recall the actual specifics now. I believe it was something like they made it a code violation to not have your home connected to the power grid and you just get fined and harassed until you "fix" it.
You can still buy a battery bank and hybrid inverter that'll do solar -> battery -> grid. It's not full off grid, but you can almost completely eleminate grid usage.
But you can't eliminate the connection charge. And as far as I can tell there's nothing to prevent them from increasing that to very high values. Currently it is $25 where I live but they are arguing to raise that to $30 as I type this. That's a 20% increase.
My bill is mainly transmission charges, as I put in during the day and pull out at night to charge my EV. Not sure what your bill looks like, but there's a lot of savings for me. The grid could also collapse tomorrow and it wouldn't affect my electricity.
Yeah, we opted for the battery. It was tough because without the battery the solar definitely pays for itself and the cost wasn't too bad, but with it it isn't certain. When calculating that, the inputs rely on you to predict so many things in the future. So I went with my gut. I just feel like energy costs are going to go up much more than "they" are saying. With climate change, AI, greed and the fact that we are installing some things that will consume more energy. I hope I'm right.
Mine is great, except I have to devise a way to safely remove snow off a 25 foot high installation at a bad angle. I lost about a month of production last winter due to covered panels.
We pay roughly 20 cents/KW after all fees and stuff. Our bill is almost always just transmission fees now, as we take out to charge at night. We were blowing about $400/mo in gas for the car before the EV, and probably $200 as a worst total electricity bill in the dead of winter now.
The reason I ask is that people have predicted the end all through history and it never seems to quite happen when they predict it. So if he said it would take twenty years when he first started,... well here we are.
This argument frustrates me greatly. Humans are far more adaptable than most other species, and the damage we are already doing to less adaptable species and ecosystems is incalculable and irreversible. We will kill off much of Earth's life long before we manage to destroy ourselves.
Species are going extinct at a rate of 1,000 to 10,000 times faster than the normal "background rate" of extinction, driven by habitat loss, climate change, and pollution. Every species that we drive to extinction represents a multi-billion year legacy that will never return. Arguing that life will continue after the collapse of humanity is only partly true. There are a hell of a lot of species that will never continue, because our actions destroyed them.
We're also roughly at the halfway point of Earth's ability to support complex life, which emerged about a half billion years ago and has roughly another half billion years before the increased heat of the aging sun disrupts carbonate weathering to the extent that one of the main pathways of photosynthesis is no longer possible. Yes, during that 500 million years, in the absence of ongoing anthropogenic extinction, species will again diversify to fill the gaps. But there will be no tigers or elephants or rhinoceros after humanity, just as there were no non-avian dinosaurs after the asteroid.
I'm not making an argument. I'm learning to identify with a bigger picture for my sanity.
My heart weeps greatly for all of the species that are going extinct on this planet.
And I find some hope that life itself will continue here, even if it's not complex life. Life has survived extinction events before. Life is adaptable.
I'm trying to be less attached to the form life takes, because I can't stop climate change.
So it's something that gives me peace. It's not an argument that what is happening is right. Because it's not.
Cuba sent doctors and food to Vietnam during the war. Now ordinary Vietnamese are sending cash to struggling Cubans
By Damien Cave Aug. 19, 2025
[This article is mostly an attack on the Cuban government, but I found the parts about solidarity between #Cuba and #Vietnam inspiring.]
She watched videos and read about how Cuba supported Vietnam during the wars of the 1960s and ‘70s, building hospitals and sending doctors, sugar and cattle. Inspired, she donated 500,000 Vietnamese dong, about $19, from the modest income she earns at her family’s grocery store.
A new crowdfunding campaign for Cuba led by the Vietnam Red Cross Society has raised more than $13 million in the first week...
Cuba sent doctors and food to Vietnam during the war. Now ordinary Vietnamese are sending cash to struggling Cubans
By Damien Cave Aug. 19, 2025
[This article is mostly an attack on the Cuban government, but I found the parts about solidarity between #Cuba and #Vietnam inspiring.]
She watched videos and read about how Cuba supported Vietnam during the wars of the 1960s and ‘70s, building hospitals and sending doctors, sugar and cattle. Inspired, she donated 500,000 Vietnamese dong, about $19, from the modest income she earns at her family’s grocery store.
A new crowdfunding campaign for Cuba led by the Vietnam Red Cross Society has raised more than $13 million in the first week...
Vietnamese Are Helping Cuba With 38-Cent Donations. A Lot of Them.
Cuba sent doctors and food to Vietnam during the war. Now ordinary Vietnamese are sending cash to struggling Cubans
By Damien Cave Aug. 19, 2025
[This article is mostly an attack on the Cuban government, but I found the parts about solidarity between #Cuba and #Vietnam inspiring.]
She watched videos and read about how Cuba supported Vietnam during the wars of the 1960s and ‘70s, building hospitals and sending doctors, sugar and cattle. Inspired, she donated 500,000 Vietnamese dong, about $19, from the modest income she earns at her family’s grocery store.
A new crowdfunding campaign for Cuba led by the Vietnam Red Cross Society has raised more than $13 million in the first week...
Today in Labor History August 31, 1933: Italian American labor organizer and socialist, Giovanni Pippan, was murdered during his campaign to organize the Italian bread wagon drivers of Chicago. In 1921, he was beaten by fascists in Albona, Italy, while on his way to support striking miners. In response to this fascist attack, the workers of the region rose up, occupied all the mines, and declared the Albona Republic. They organized their own government and “red guard” to protect themselves from law enforcement. They managed the mines by themselves with the support of a section of farmers. 1 month later, the republic was violently crushed by the state. For his role, Pippan was threatened with death by the local fascists. He fled to the U.S. There, he helped organize the silk workers of Patterson, New Jersey; participated in the organization and defense of the anarchists Sacco and Vanzetti; and fought against fascist elements within the Italian-American community.
Tratto dal bestseller di Peter Benchley, era il 1975 quando uscì al cinema Lo Squalo, un film capace di divertire e terrorizzare (e che diventò subito cult)
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Il National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) degli Stati Uniti, attraverso il suo National Cybersecurity Center of Excellence (NCCoE), ha introdotto un approccio basato sui dati decentralizzati per aiutare i produttori e i settori delle infrastrutture critiche a proteggere le loro supply chain e gli ambienti operativi. Il documento introduce un meta-framework progettato per migliorare la tracciabilità lungo diverse supply chain, consentendo la registrazione strutturata, il collegamento e il recupero dei dati di tracciabilità.
Nell’ambito di questo sforzo, il NIST ha rilasciato un’implementazione di riferimento (RI) per il prodotto minimo vitale (MVP) per testare ecosistemi sperimentali di supply chain in un ambiente di laboratorio controllato. L’implementazione esamina come i dati di tracciabilità possano essere condivisi tra settori e ambienti di utilizzo finale critici, affrontando sfide fondamentali come l’interoperabilità, la sicurezza informatica, la governance e l’analisi dei dati.
L’MVP RI si basa sullostandard NIST IR 8419 e trae spunto dal meta-framework delineato nello standard NIST IR 8536. Questo framework fornisce un modello tecnologicamente neutrale per organizzare, collegare e interrogare i dati di tracciabilità tra diversi sistemi e stakeholder. Fungendo da modello architetturale, supporta lo sviluppo e il testing di soluzioni di tracciabilità per ecosistemi gestiti dall’industria, con l’obiettivo di rafforzare la trasparenza, la gestione del rischio e la resilienza nelle moderne catene di fornitura.
All’inizio di agosto, il NIST ha pubblicato la seconda bozza pubblica del Rapporto Interno NIST 8536, Supply Chain Traceability: Manufacturing Meta-Framework. L’iniziativa supporta i produttori statunitensi nella protezione delle loro supply chain sviluppando un’implementazione di riferimento che dimostra come scambiare dati di tracciabilità dei componenti in modo sicuro tra ecosistemi distribuiti. Il meta-framework migliora la tracciabilità end-to-end della supply chain organizzando, collegando e interrogando i dati di tracciabilità in diversi ambienti di produzione .
Attraverso repository di dati affidabili, le parti interessate possono accedere alle informazioni sulla catena di fornitura necessarie per verificare la provenienza del prodotto, dimostrare la conformità agli obblighi normativi e contrattuali e valutare l’integrità della catena di fornitura.
Il meta-framework definisce i principi chiave per rafforzare la visibilità, l’affidabilità e l’integrità nella tracciabilità della supply chain. Sottolinea la necessità di dati e ontologie comuni per garantire che le informazioni rimangano strutturate, interoperabili e comprensibili in tutti i settori.
Sottolinea inoltre l’importanza di repository sicuri e verificabili all’interno degli ecosistemi industriali per gestire i record di tracciabilità. La tracciabilità stessa viene stabilita attraverso record basati su eventi, come produzione, spedizione e ricezione, che sono collegati tramite connessioni crittograficamente verificabili. Insieme, questi record sequenziali formano catene di tracciabilità che consentono alle parti interessate di confermare la cronologia e il movimento dei prodotti lungo la rete di fornitura.
Offrendo una soluzione scalabile per migliorare la tracciabilità in tutti i settori industriali, il meta-framework consente alle organizzazioni di scambiare dati sulla supply chain in modo sicuro. Con la crescente complessità delle supply chain globali, questo approccio rafforza l’integrità, supporta il rispetto degli obblighi legali, contrattuali e operativi e promuove la fiducia degli stakeholder.
Gli obiettivi principali del meta-framework sono migliorare la trasparenza della supply chain fornendo un approccio strutturato per la registrazione e il collegamento dei dati di tracciabilità, garantendo una maggiore visibilità tra gli ecosistemi. Si propone di garantire l’interoperabilità dei dati attraverso un modello comune che consenta l’integrazione tra operatori del settore, ecosistemi e stakeholder esterni. Un altro obiettivo è rafforzare la verifica dell’autenticità e della provenienza dei prodotti supportando meccanismi che consentano agli stakeholder di confermare l’origine e la discendenza di componenti, materiali e prodotti finiti.
Il framework consente inoltre alle organizzazioni di soddisfare i requisiti di tracciabilità stabiliti da contratti, standard o normative attraverso un modello strutturato di condivisione dei dati. Inoltre, pone l’accento sul miglioramento della sicurezza, dell’integrità dei dati e della privacy definendo best practice per l’autenticazione, il controllo degli accessi e la convalida crittografica, garantendo che i dati di tracciabilità rimangano accurati, a prova di manomissione e adeguatamente definiti per proteggere le informazioni sensibili. Infine, facilita la governance dell’ecosistema consentendo alle parti interessate di definire regole in linea con gli obblighi e le aspettative esterne, garantendo al contempo un’efficace tracciabilità.
O plano anual garante desconto de cerca de 30% em relação à assinatura mensal, com pagamento parcelado no cartão de crédito. Modalidades anteriores do Prime não serão mais ofertadas.
I guess the question (which I also ask myself) is why not blow it up in their territory, just put a few tons of explosives in a section in an unpopulat3d area and blow it to smitherines.
Or turn the gas off and then dismantle a km long section, if you don't want to waste explosives and risk fires.
Well done Ukraine, absolutely not considered a problem by your allies.
Fuck Trump and Fuck Orban. They both chose to stand on the wrong side of the russian invasion of Ukraine, and they both deserve to be punished for it.
Orban can fuck off back to Russia, we don't need Hungary in EU, when they choose to be pro Russian despite an invasion of a peaceful country in Europe.
USA too will suffer from this too, USA is no longer considered a strong ally by the "West" in general, and not even within NATO! There are already defense agreements being formed around NATO, for instance between Canada and EU! The agreements includes development and acquisition of weapons, that will no longer be bought from USA, to achieve greater independence from USA in the future.
It's always sad to lose a friend, but even with a new administration, nobody can really trust USA anymore, USA is currently descending deeper into a authoritarian regime, and resistance is effectively being systematically removed. As it is, there seems to be little hope that USA will ever become a functional democracy.
It’s always sad to lose a friend, but even with a new administration, nobody can really trust USA anymore, USA is currently descending deeper into a authoritarian regime, and resistance is effectively being systematically removed. As it is, there seems to be little hope that USA will ever become a functional democracy.
I hope that a better US administration will come after this one and that it will improve the things that can be improved easily (tariffs, visas, rhetoric, and other transactional policies), but at this point Trump has poisoned the well and it will take a generation of good (or at least understandable and workable) behavior by both US parties to rebuild a fraction of the trust and soft power the orange idiot has squandered in barely half a year.
We (EU) can absolutely reestablish normal trade immediately with USA if USA wishes, it is 100% one-sidedly USA that want trade restrictions. EU even went so far as to NOT put tariffs on USA despite USA has put a 15% tariff on everything from EU!!!
But the election of Bush twice, who already had hostile rhetoric against allies, and started a war based on false intelligence. And then the election of Trump twice, even after it became well known he is a rapist and a con man and a fraudster and behaves like a Russian asset. Shows the American people and democracy itself is very unreliable. It's not just this administration, it's the entire system that is the problem.
Of course we will work sanely with a sane administration, but we simply can't reasonably rely on American sanity anymore, unless some sort of fundamental shift occur in American democracy.
American democracy was always dysfunctional, designed that way on purpose in the belief it makes for a more efficient government, effectively creating an undemocratic 2 party system.
There are many good Americans, but they are outnumbered and the undemocratic system has failed them. Americans need to fight for democracy if they want it. If they really value freedom and democracy as Americans have boasted about more than any other nation, they will fight. But my guess is that when push comes to shove, the majority doesn't give a shit. At least that's what decades of presidential elections clearly indicate.
I'm not quite sure what you mean, of course we can go back to normal trade. But there is no way Europe will go back to rely on American weapons like we used to, and we will also try to rid ourselves from reliance on American IT. So I agree we will not go back entirely to what it used to be. The trust has been broken.
Cominceranno il 5 ottobre, per concludersi il 27 ottobre, le celebrazioni liturgiche presiedute da Papa Leone XIV. Lo rende noto l'Ufficio delle cebrazioni liturgiche pontificie, che ne ha diffuso oggi il calendario. Il 5 ottobre, alle 10.
Sospetti per l’attacco che ha “accecato” il Gps dell’aereo di von der Leyen in Bulgaria. In tutte e due le aree, Mosca ha stazionate due divisioni specializzat…
President Trump will reportedly have another big boy military parade later this year.
You’ll recall that in June, #DonaldTrump made the Army put on a parade on the streets of Washington with a bunch of tanks and fireworks for his birthday — an event that was also billed as the celebration of the 250th anniversary of the Army.
The event was widely regarded as an extremely expensive flop....
An image with a large text overlay at the top and two main photographic elements below. The black text reads "WHAT HAPPENED TO TRUMP?" and a red banner below it reads in white "'INCONSOLABLE AT $45M PARADE'".
In the foreground, on the left, is a close-up of Donald Trump. He is an older man with light blonde hair, wearing a dark suit and a red tie, and has a visibly dejected or sullen expression with a downturned mouth. A man in a suit and patterned tie is partially visible behind his left shoulder.
To the right and in the background, a military parade takes place on a wide street lined with trees. Many soldiers in camouflage uniforms are marching in formation, and some in the foreground are playing large brass instruments like tubas while one is seated on a military vehicle.
Il vento a trenta nodi obbliga la delegazione partita dalla Spagna a rinviare la partenza. Le quattro barche italiane in rotta verso la Sicilia. La replica al …
The Trump administration’s ongoing efforts to combine access to the sensitive and personal information of Americans into a single searchable system with the help of shady companies should terrify us – and should inspire us to fight back.
While couched in the benign language of eliminating government “data silos,” this plan runs roughshod over your privacy and security. It’s a throwback to the rightly mocked “Total Information Awareness” plans of the early 2000s that were, at least publicly, stopped after massive outcry from the public and from key members of Congress.
Under this order, ICE is trying to get access to the IRS and Medicaid records of millions of people, and is demanding data from local police. The administration is also making grabs for food stamp data from California and demanding voter registration data from at least nine states.
Much of the plan seems to rely on the data management firm Palantir, formerly based in Palo Alto. It’s telling that the Trump administration would entrust such a sensitive task to a company that has a shaky-at-best record on privacy and human rights.
Bad ideas for spending your taxpayer money never go away – they just hide for a few years and hope no one remembers. But we do. In the early 2000s, when the stated rationale was finding terrorists, the government proposed creating a single all-knowing interface into multiple databases and systems containing information about millions of people. Yet that plan was rightly abandoned after less than three years and millions of wasted taxpayer dollars, because of both privacy concerns and practical problems.
It certainly seems the Trump administration’s intention is to try once again to create a single, all-knowing way to access and use the personal information about everyone in America. Today, of course, the stated focus is on finding violent illegal immigrants and the plan initially only involves data about you held by the government, but the dystopian risks are the same.
Over fifty years ago, after the scandals surrounding Nixon’s “enemies list,” Watergate, and COINTELPRO, in which a President bent on staying in power misused government information to target his political enemies, Congress enacted laws to protect our data privacy. Those laws ensure that data about you collected for one purpose by the government can’t be misused for other purposes or disclosed to other government officials with an actual need. Also, they require the government to carefully secure the data it collects. While not perfect, these laws have served the twin goals of protecting our privacy and data security for many years.
Now the Trump regime is basically ignoring them, and this Congress is doing nothing to stand up for the laws it passed to protect us.
But many of us are pushing back. At the Electronic Frontier Foundation, where I’m executive director, we have sued over DOGE agents grabbing personal data from the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, filed an amicus brief in a suit challenging ICE’s grab for taxpayer data, and co-authored another amicus brief challenging ICE’s grab for Medicaid data. We’re not done and we’re not alone.
The libertarian wing was never really very libertarian, they mostly didn't care much about weed and wanted to actually cut spending (or at least claimed to).
Look at Mike Lee (unfortunately my Senator) he calls himself a "libertarian" because he says no a lot, but he also toes the party line when it natters and hasn't championed any social issues I'd call "libertarian." I changed my registration to Republican just so I could vote against this clown twice in one election.
It's stupid from a comsec perspective even if it wasn't stupid for any other reasons. Compartmentalization is a good strategy as we continue to upgrade outdated and vulnerable systems. But of course, this "leader" is an idiot. So he wouldn't know that.
I certainly agree with agencies having some amount of open access to their data, but only for things that are actually relevant. For example, the IRS should be able to check Social Security benefits to verify tax reports, but it shouldn't see details like where their checks are being sent.
If an agency needs access to data, they should specify exactly what they need and the source agency should provide an API to only get that into.
They for sure won't get hold of any notes about medical conditions (or god forbid, notes from your therapist) and use them against you if you opposed them.
I mean also the fact that they're targeting youth specifically. I worry they will try to remove kids from homes and claim that parents who allow kids to transition are harmful to their own children.
I'm just beyond not thinking worst case scenario at this point.
Holy fuck. All of that will be stolen in 3 seconds and the minute it launches Russia will be granted special access. It was nice knowing ya'll. Not really but. Yeah.
You joke but they could open up lines of credit, loans, make big purchases in your name. Of course, all my shit is shot so good luck getting approved with mine. Either way at this scale you could infinitely fuck with Americans in kind of financially devastating ways.
LOL. We won't. US citizens have given up and those that haven't don't believe in anything but peaceful protests or trying to go about things "the right way". Neither of which will do anything but hand over more control to billionaires and child rapists.
That was the whole point of DOGE. Access to the main servers of every government department, not "efficiency". If this data is combined with data from social media, it's possible to make quite detailed profiles of people. Let's not forget Peter Thiel and the Mercers have been doing this since Brexit. Also scary that Palantir got a big contract for the NATO.
PLEASE check out any privacy community on Lemmy, PrivacyGuides.org, or ugh....even /r/Privacy
Saying "I have nothing to hide" does nothing but empower the surveillance state. *You are living in a surveillance state* and advertising tracking data is how you are tracked.
The Trump administration’s ongoing efforts to combine access to the sensitive and personal information of Americans into a single searchable system with the help of shady companies should terrify us – and should inspire us to fight back.
We should indeed fight back against the governments and corporations that for decades have been doing this shit.
This is creating a platform that allows somebody to access every piece of data in one centralized location.
So example, when somebody is determining your social security payment (if that even exists in the future) they(or more likely AI) might be basing that decision not just on data relevant to income but also on something like a personal social credit score based on every piece of available government data related to a person over their entire lifetime.
Did you get flagged as suspicious while flying bc of 9/11. Did something end up on your record by complete mistake? In this centralized data base you could have all kinds of real and incorrect details associated with you (or even other people like friends, family, neighbors, coworkers) used to discriminate against you. Data becomes destiny.
Not to mention if they integrate it with these live facial recognition surveillance networks, something they caught you doing on camera without your knowledge could be used to make decisions.
"You could read anyone's email in the world, anybody you've got an email address for. Any website: You can watch traffic to and from it. Any computer that an individual sits at: You can watch it. Any laptop that you're tracking: you can follow it as it moves from place to place throughout the world. It's a one-stop-shop for access to the NSA's information. ... You can tag individuals ... Let's say you work at a major German corporation and I want access to that network, I can track your username on a website on a forum somewhere, I can track your real name, I can track associations with your friends and I can build what's called a fingerprint, which is network activity unique to you, which means anywhere you go in the world, anywhere you try to sort of hide your online presence, your identity."
My relatives who’ve been screaming about mark of the beast and shit for years sure confuse the hell Out of me when they voice support for this while wearing their maga hats.
They want to see the mark of the beast, and the Antichrist, and the apocalypse so the end times will come and Jesus will take them all to heaven and burn their enemies in eternal damnation.
Of course. Funnel all that info to Peter fucking Thiel's Palantir surveillance company that also has contracts with international law enforcement.
There couldn't possibly be any problems with funnelling every bit of panopticon into a single billionaire super lobbiest's hands. Especially one that has openly stated that he doesn't believe in the continuation of the human race. Who is the closest thing to a real life vampire, regularly getting blood transfusions from healthy young "blood boys" in a hare brained attempt to prolong his own life at all costs.
I find it a massive failure of society as a whole that this fucking charlatan wasn't laughed out of society in the 2010s when he was doing interviews about the "blood boy" bullshit and all the other crackpot shit he was doing to prolong his life. Absolute fucking ghoul. The people in power value money more than sense.
It depends on the situation. Better information sharing is important for protecting vulnerable people and children. However, we absolutely shouldn't have every agency accessing sensitive information like medical records just cos they want to.
I've been saying it for decades. If we get out of this alive, privacy laws will need to have a massive overhaul like no one has ever seen. In times past it was governments, not private entities that had control over everyone, and the idea that a private business or enterprise having that kind of knowledge about people was unthinkable. Even those from the Robber Baron era of the 1890s to 1910s and the Mad Men era of the 1950s to 70s would never have had that kind of overreach.
A digital bill of rights needs not only extremely tight control over what governments can and cannot get, but even STRICTER stuff for non-government entities. I can't believe that marketing was the downfall of freedom and privacy in this day and age!
Owned by Sociopathic Oligarchs Peter Theil, who holds Vance's leash, and paid Trump to put him in the VP slot, and believes that infusions of the blood of young men will help him live to be 150 (not kidding).
Dal vertice di Tianjin il presidente cinese si propone come leader del Sud del mondo contro un Occidente terremotato dall’imprevedibilità di Trump. E il leader…
(I posted this comment in the other thread as well)
I banned all cellphones and computer-based note taking in the classroom, with the exception that students could use a device if they wrote with a stylus.
I get the cell phones, for most classes you won't need to have it out aside from taking an occasional photo of diagrams.
However, I've always thought that it was silly to have this stance on computers. Not everyone has access to an iPad or nice Wacom device, nor stylus compatible software that matches their workflow / note-taking style. I tried a lot of them and never found one I liked.
The article cites that same decade-old paper, which suggests that handwritten notes have better retention. If you actually look at the paper, here is the design of the commonly cited study:
Students generally participated 2 at a time, though some completed the study alone. The room was preset with either laptops or notebooks, according to condition. Lectures were projected onto a screen at the front of the room. Participants were instructed to use their normal classroom note-taking strategy, because experimenters were interested in how information was actually recorded in class lectures. The experimenter left the room while the lecture played.
Next, participants were taken to a lab; they completed two 5-min distractor tasks and engaged in a taxing working memory task (viz., a reading span task; [...]). At this point, approxi- mately 30 min had elapsed since the end of the lecture. Finally, participants responded to both factual-recall questions (e.g., “Approximately how many years ago did the Indus civilization exist?”) and conceptual-application questions (e.g., “How do Japan and Sweden differ in their approaches to equality within their societies?”) about the lecture and completed demographic measures.
The advantage of typed notes is being able to reformat the notes over time and to go back and fill in details after class. If students don't get the opportunity to do that, then yes it makes sense that the more cognitively demanding method of taking notes would give better recall.
This also depends a lot on the type of course being taught, which I didn't see when I skimmed the NYT article:
I’ve taught the same course to a class of undergraduate, M.B.A., medical and nursing students every year for over a decade
What's true is that laptops can be distracting to other students around you if you are doing something else (ex. watching sports / e-sports was common). If profs want to reduce that without policing what people are doing in class, having a "laptop section" in a back corner of the classroom works nicely
Universities should issue students wiþ Remarkables. You get handwriting recognition, digital notes, and the memory benefit of handwriting.
$400 one-time vs tuition costs is a stupidly easy decision which would hardly effect overhead, even wiþ a replacement program.
I banned laptops in meetings except for presenters and facilitators. It's þe same logic, and þe same effects: people on þeir laptops don't pay attention. It's measurable, regardless of what you want to personally believe. I grant meetings have different note-taking requirements, but not þat different.
Supernotes are my preference. They are e-ink, and have an option for a smaller size than remarkables. Constant great software/firmware development, durable, and e-ink. Downside, if you care (I do not) is they're b+w only.
Can side load android apps, they sync fine, work as e-reader, etc. Good stuff.
Remarkables are good I think but they have one foot in the digital artist niche and one in the note niche, whereas a supernote is firmly in the business/meeting/note niche.
Thumbs down for Remarkable. Dumb vendor lock-in with subscription fees and inability to easily transfer notes, no external app support, yet still retails close to iPad prices.
At that point, deploying locked down iPads is easier, cheaper, and offers more flexibility. Which is exactly what a lot of schools and universities already do.
What? I've had a Remarkable 2 for 5 years and never paid a subscription fee. It runs Linux, and you can ssh in and get at every bit of data you write on it. There is an OSS GUI app for connecting, on Linux, in AUR. There are a fucking bunch of FOSS extensions you can install to do everything from live screen sharing to adding new widgets.
The actual fuck are you taking about, because it isn't Remarkable.
I owned a Remarkable and returned it because it is so frustrating.
Remarkable runs a scuffed version of Linux, which requires developers to release a separate version of whatever app they have. Although the selection is growing, it is paltry compared to offerings from a typical Android or iOS device.
Below is a list of so called "best" apps. No syncthing, no Obsidian, no Saber, etc. Multiple scuffed versions of Zotero that can't do annotations.
Ugh. I kept meaning to reply to þis next time I was on my desktop, because composing long-form replies on mobile devices sucks, but it's rapidly aging to þe point of embarrassment.
I don't blame you. Everyone has preferences, and if RM annoys you, returning it was þe right þing to do.
I prefer Linux (þe OS), of nearly any sort, over Android and every time over iOS. Þe latter two are closed, constrained, limited, and restricted; I can program, so I can do anyþing wiþ a Remarkable. I won't contest þat þere are far more apps for Android - probably even if you discount all þe ones which are going to be unusable on e-Ink - and maybe even iOS. Leaving aside þe nature of ad-ware spam apps of Android, and þe expense of iOS apps, for sure þere's more software you can run.
Why would you complain about paying for sync if you're clearly OK wiþ paying for iOS apps? Þe FOSS domain on iOS of paltry. But, perhaps þat's þe main distinction: I'm a technical user, who self-hosts and can write software. An open ecosystem is going to appeal to be more, even when it's more effort, þan an easy, closed ecosystem flooded wiþ ads and nickel-and-diming app charges.
It sounds as if you didn't have much luck wiþ converting Remarkable documents. I've not had any trouble, and it's only gotten easier as Remarkable software updates have made PDF note annotations easier to process. Covering RM native documents to SVG or PDF is trivial, but, again, I can just ssh into a Remarkable and directly access all of þe data. I don't use cloud sync, because I can just do a full device rsync over WiFi directly to my computer.
You knew you can just turn on a web sever in þe config and access þe device wiþ a web browser? Including up and downloading documents, or entire folders?
Maybe Remarkable just lends itself to more technical users. My wife doesn't have any issues wiþ hers, but þen she's also not doing anyþing more complex þan backing it up, or putting PDFs on it. Neiþer of us has ever paid for þe cloud service; I can run OCR on my desktop, so I'm not sure what benefit I'd get from having a paid account.
I disagree that writing by hand is magically improving information absorbtion/retention. Source: I've been doing it through all of my school and all of my uni. Being half-asleep, pondering something completely irrelevant, and in general course material flying completely over my head while I write it down was a norm most of the time. And lecturers dictating their stuff at high speeds didn't help either. Maybe there is some temporary novelty effect after you switch from one way of writing to another, but I wouldn't expect that last long.
I've found typing works extremely well for everything but math. I type everything out as they speak, but horribly, with zero respect to grammar or spelling, just get the information down. Then, I go back afterwards and fix it all, and in doing so, reinforcing my learning. Its hard to do, because it had to be written well enough for me to be able to understand my chicken scratch later, but damn, it helps.
No one that has looked at this in a serious way agrees with you.
From the abstract:
“These results suggest that the movements involved in handwriting allow a greater memorization of new words. The advantage of handwriting over typing might also be caused by a more positive mood during learning. Finally, our results show that handwriting with a digital pen and tablet can increase the ability to learn compared with keyboard typing once the individuals are accustomed to it.”
The growing implementation of digital education comes with an increased need to understand the impact of digital tools on learning. Previous behavioral studies have shown that handwriting on paper is more effective for learning than typing on a ...
I don't buy it. I think the method they used worked, but I don't think the blanket statement is fair. My handwriting sucks, and writing quickly for more than a few minutes hurts my hands.
I exclusively wrote everything down with a pen, since I was not going to bring a laptop everywhere and somehow get it to stay powered for so many hours. Not to mention that it would have been terrible to draw schematics etc.
The best were those courses where you could prepare a "cheat sheet", so then I go over everything and put key information and formulas into a word document. So I go over my notes, then have to filter them and then write the key things again. Maximum retention, as I can tell you 10 years later.
this entire thing reads like a fantasy. or some reddit thread where "everyone clapped" to me.
if I was told by a professor on the first day of class which I paid for that I wasn't allowed to use my own note taking method I had been using for decades, I'd just say "No." and if pressed further, I'd take it as high as I needed to. or get a full refund for the class and find another.
this isn't an elementary school. these aren't children. these are adults.
Because your enrollment in a class is not without consequence. If you are doing poorly due to being distracted by your phone, you are creating harm for other students and the lecturer/professor. Thinking that you are free to behave however you wish just because you are the customer is an extremely consumer-minded Karen-esque mindset.
How are you harming the other people in the class? I'm assuming here that you're being reasonably discrete, have the volume off (or have ear buds in), etc. You not paying attention doesn't really harm anyone else.
Think of it this way .. if you sign up at a karate dojo, there are a ton of rules and norms you'll need to follow. And those rules and norms will be very different dojo to dojo. That's an understood expectation. It's similar to college. The professor is empowered to dictate the structure and norms of their course.
And sure... The professor will dictate their expectations on day 1. If you don't like the structure, you have 2 weeks to change the course with no penalty.
At a university, there are only so many options to meet some requirement for your program, often just one or two teachers for a given class, and at least at my school, they didn't provide the syllabus until the start of classes. So if you disagree with the rules of the class, you may just be screwed.
Class policies shouldn't stray too far from institution policies, and a syllabus should largely stick to defining coursework expectations, like when projects and coursework are due. I'm also of the opinion that attendance shouldn't be part of the grade unless it's a hands on class or something (i.e. all material for tests and homework is in the textbooks).
If your behavior causes issues in the class, you should be removed. But if your behavior merely distracts you, that should be your business. Higher level education shouldn't hold your hand, you should succeed or fail on your own merits. A huge part of the expected outcomes should be developed self-discipline, because the whole point should be to cultivate self-motivated people who can learn and improve on their own.
Hey, danke dir! Mir hatte heute Morgen schon jemand geschrieben, dass man das über ne Website (Wordpress) machen kann, die dann quasi als eigene Instanz fungiert. Und da kann man quasi selber eine Zeichenbegrenzung festlegen. Ich hatte sowas in der Art im Hinterkopf, wollte aber nichts komplett Falsches rausposaunen und habs deshalb komplett vage gelassen.
jein. Eigentlich müssen wir noch viel früher anfangen mit erklären. Eigentlich hast du und Gavin ein falsches Bild vom Fediverse. Mastodon ist quasi nur ein Frontend ins Netzwerk, ähnlich wie es Outlook in eMail ist. Dieses Netzwerk ist ein Netzwerk, das durch seine Frontends bestimmt wird. Diese Entwickler geben ihrer Software, Funktionen und Umfang mit, die es ihren useren erlaubt, gewisse Dinge in diesem Netzwerk zu tun. Von diesen Zugängen gibt es über 150 verscheidene und Mastodon ist eins davon. Eben mit einer sehr eingrenzenden und an Twitter angelehnten Version. Allein unter den Text Diensten/Zugängen gibt es über 15 verschiedene und alle Unterscheiden sich im Umfang, was ihre Programmierer ihren usern erlauben. Ich z.B. benutze #Calckey als Zugansgsoftware. Es sieht ähnlich aus wie Mastodon, hat nur wesentlich mehr features als Mastodon. Ich habe eine Drive (da kann ich alle Arten von Dateien ablegen und immer wieder weiter verwenden), kann Lesezeichen in Odrner sortieren und passend ablegen, Kann Galerien erstellen und passend freigeben. Kann einen Blog führen (unabhängig meiner Timeline), mehr als 10 Bilder in einem post, Umfragen mit 10 Antwortmöglichkeiten usw. Zudem kann ich 7.500 Zeichen schreiben. Was Mastodon leider macht, es lässt alles so aussehen, als wäre es Mastodon, egal was dein Gegenüber für eine andere Software verwendet. Je nach verwendetem Frontend, sieht dein Fediverse eben unterschiedlich aus. Benutzt du Mastodon, sieht es ähnlich aus wie Twitter. Benutzt du Pixelfed, fühlt es sich ähnlich an wie Insta. Benutzt du Friendica, Hubzilla, Streams, dann ist es ähnlich wie Facebook Mit Akkoma, Pleroma, erhälst du ein weirt breiteres Mastodon (wobei ich die EntwicklerInnen da nicht beleidigen will, weil diese Dienste älter sind als Mastodon). Dann gibt es noch Flohmarkt, Kalender, Video, TikTak Clone usw. Eine unvollständige Liste findest du hier: codeberg.org/fediverse/delight… Mit Sharkey, IceShrimp, Misskey, Calckey, Catodon usw., erhälst du einen Zwischendienst zwischen Mastodon und der Friendica Linie. Weit mehr Funktionne und Möglichkeiten als Mastodon aber nicht so viele wie mit Friendica und co. Leider hat sich auch gavin lange gewehrt, anzuerkennen, das Mastodon nur ein bestimmtes Frontend im Fediverse ist. manchmal zweifle ich bei seine Aussagen, ob er es wirklich verstanden hat. Alle die es ihm versucht haben zu erklären, hat er in seinem Podcast (die frühen Folgen), nicht sehr nett bedacht. Kommen wir jetzt noch schnell zu Wordpress. Ja, auch Wordpress ist "Teil" des Fediverse geworden, da hat das Entwicklerteam wirklich tolles geleistet. Mittels einem Plugin kann man seinen Blog als "eine Instanz" (oder Instanz mit Autorenprofilen) ins Fediverse eingliedern. Das bedeutet, das Artikel automatisch ausgespielt werden, man kann diese mit seiner Software (Mastodon, Sharkey, Friendica usw.) finden, liken, kommentieren und weiter teilen. Ihr auf mastodon seht leidern icht, woher der Beitrag kommt. Diese Info wird aktiv ausgeblendet. Andere Dienste wie meiner, zeigen mir diese Info am post mit an. Also, nicht alle langen Beiträge sind mit Wordpress geschrieben, sondern mit einem passenden anderen Dienst im Fediverse. Anbei noch ein quoted post von Matthias, der mit allen anderen Textdiensten im Fediverse schon immer ging. Wir wurden nur nicht gehört, weil alle immer Mastodon geschrien haben 😉 Und drei Bilder, die symbolisch zeigen mit welchen Diensten/Software, unsere Instanz zu bestimmten Zeitpunkten verbunden ist. Diese verbindungen wechsel nauch laufend, weil nicht immer und zu jeder Zeit user, mit denne wir verbunden sind, Beiträge schreiben. Ich hoffe dich jetzt mit dem langen post nicht zu überforern. Kürzer geht es leider nicht und immer dran denken was das Video sagt 😉
Mastodon ist kein eigenes Netzwerk: Warum wir das richtigstellen sollten
Einführung: Was ist Mastodon?
Mastodon ist eine beliebte Plattform, die oft als soziales Netzwerk bezeichnet wird. Viele Menschen denken, dass Mastodon ein eigenständiges Netzwerk ist, ähnlich wie Facebook oder Twitter. Doch diese Vorstellung ist nicht ganz richtig. Mastodon ist tatsächlich Teil eines größeren Netzwerks namens Fediverse. Um zu verstehen, warum Mastodon kein eigenes Netzwerk ist, müssen wir uns zunächst ansehen, was Mastodon eigentlich ist und wie es funktioniert.
Die Plattform ist eine Open-Source-Software, die es Nutzern ermöglicht, ihre eigenen sozialen Netzwerke zu erstellen, die als Instanzen bezeichnet werden. Jede Instanz kann ihre eigenen Regeln und Richtlinien haben, aber sie alle können miteinander kommunizieren. Das bedeutet, dass Nutzer einer Mastodon-Instanz mit Nutzern anderer Misskey-, Friendica-, Hubzilla-, Lemmy- und auch Mastodon-Instanzen und mit Nutzern weiterer Plattformen im Fediverse interagieren können.
Warum Mastodon kein eigenes Netzwerk ist
Der häufige Fehler, die Plattform Mastodon als eigenes Netzwerk zu bezeichnen, rührt daher, dass viele Menschen nicht verstehen, wie sie in das größere Bild des Fediverse passt. Die Plattform ist nicht isoliert; sie ist Teil eines viel größeren und vielfältigeren Netzwerks von sozialen Plattformen.
Ein eigenes Netzwerk würde bedeuten, dass die Plattform isoliert von anderen Plattformen existiert. Doch das ist nicht der Fall. Die Projekte im Fediverse basieren auf offenen Standards, insbesondere auf dem ActivityPub-Protokoll, das es verschiedenen Projekten ermöglicht, miteinander zu kommunizieren. Das bedeutet, dass Nutzer auf der Plattform nicht nur mit anderen Nutzern der gleichen Plattform interagieren können, sondern auch mit Nutzern auf anderen Plattformen wie PeerTube, Pixelfed, Friendica und vielen mehr.
Warum es schwierig ist, andere Plattformen zu erkennen
Für Nutzende von Mastodon kann es schwierig sein zu erkennen, dass sie mit Personen auf anderen Plattformen im Fediverse kommunizieren. Dies liegt daran, dass Mastodon keine optische Kennzeichnung bietet, die anzeigt, welche andere Plattform verwendet wird. Wenn Sie beispielsweise einen Beitrag von jemandem sehen, der auf einer anderen Plattform wie Calckey oder Flipboard ist, sieht dieser Beitrag genauso aus wie ein Beitrag von jemandem, der auf der gleichen Plattform wie Sie ist.
Diese fehlende Kennzeichnung kann zu Verwirrung führen, insbesondere für Neulinge im Fediverse. Ohne klare visuelle Hinweise können Nutzende leicht den Eindruck gewinnen, dass sie sich in einem abgeschlossenen Netzwerk befinden, obwohl sie tatsächlich Teil eines viel größeren und vielfältigeren Ökosystems sind.
Ein weiterer Grund für diese Schwierigkeit ist die einheitliche Benutzeroberfläche von Mastodon. Unabhängig davon, von welcher Plattform ein Beitrag stammt, wird er in Mastodon auf dieselbe Weise angezeigt. Dies kann dazu führen, dass Nutzende nicht erkennen, dass sie mit Personen auf verschiedenen Plattformen interagieren. Es ist wichtig, sich dieser Einschränkung bewusst zu sein, da sie das Verständnis der Nutzer für die dezentralisierte Natur des Fediverse beeinträchtigen kann. Durch das Fehlen optischer Hinweise wird die Vielfalt und Vernetztheit des Fediverse weniger sichtbar, was wiederum dazu führen kann, dass Nutzende die Plattform als isoliertes Netzwerk wahrnehmen.
Was ist das Fediverse?
Die Plattform ist Teil des Fediverse, einem Netzwerk von sozialen Netzwerken, die alle miteinander verbunden sind. Stellen Sie sich das Fediverse als eine Sammlung von Inseln vor, auf denen jede Insel ihre eigenen Regeln und Kulturen hat. Die Inseln sind jedoch durch Brücken miteinander verbunden, sodass die Bewohner jeder Insel mit den Bewohnern anderer Inseln kommunizieren und interagieren können.
Diese Verbindungen werden durch offene Standards und Protokolle ermöglicht, die sicherstellen, dass alle Projekte im Fediverse miteinander kommunizieren können. Das Fediverse ist dezentralisiert, was bedeutet, dass es keine zentrale Autorität gibt, die das gesamte Netzwerk kontrolliert. Stattdessen wird jede Instanz unabhängig betrieben und kann ihre eigenen Regeln festlegen.
Durch die Dezentralisierung und die Verwendung offener Standards bietet das Fediverse viele Vorteile. Es ermöglicht eine vielfältigere und nutzerfreundlichere Erfahrung, da jede Instanz ihre eigenen Regeln und Richtlinien festlegen kann. Dies fördert die Vielfalt und ermöglicht es den Nutzern, eine Instanz zu wählen, die ihren Bedürfnissen und Werten entspricht.
Wie sollte man die Plattform Mastodon richtig bezeichnen?
Da die Plattform Teil des Fediverse ist, wäre es genauer, sie als einen Teil des Fediverse zu bezeichnen. Ein besserer Weg, die Plattform zu beschreiben, wäre also, sie als eine dezentralisierte, offene Plattform zu bezeichnen, die Teil eines größeren Netzwerks von sozialen Netzwerken ist.
Man könnte die Plattform auch als einen "Knotenpunkt" im Fediverse bezeichnen. Diese Begriffe vermitteln besser die Idee, dass die Plattform nicht isoliert ist, sondern Teil eines größeren Ganzen. Es ist wichtig, diese Unterscheidung zu treffen, weil sie hilft, das Bewusstsein für die dezentralisierte und verbundene Natur des Fediverse zu schärfen.
Abschließende Gedanken
Zusammenfassend lässt sich sagen, dass die Plattform Mastodon zwar oft als eigenes Netzwerk bezeichnet wird, dies jedoch nicht korrekt ist. Sie ist Teil des Fediverse, einem Netzwerk von sozialen Netzwerken, die alle miteinander verbunden sind. Diese Verbindung ermöglicht es Nutzern, über Plattformgrenzen hinweg zu kommunizieren und zu interagieren.
Es ist wichtig, die Plattform richtig zu bezeichnen, um das Verständnis für das Fediverse und seine Struktur zu fördern. Indem wir die Plattform als Teil des Fediverse beschreiben, helfen wir Neulingen, die Vielfalt und die Möglichkeiten dieses dezentralisierten Netzwerks besser zu verstehen.
Durch das Verständnis, dass die Plattform Teil des Fediverse ist, können wir auch die Bedeutung von offenen Standards und Dezentralisierung besser verstehen. Dies ist nicht nur für technisch versierte Nutzer wichtig, sondern für jeden, der sich für soziale Netzwerke und deren Zukunft interessiert.
Ich versuch es mal mit wenigen Worten... 😀 (bin eigentlich auch ein Vielschreiber).
Mastodon als Services wollte eine Alternative zu Kurznachrichtendiensten sein. Damals halt Twitter als Platzhirsch. Ein bisserl besser, ein bisserl anders... daher auch mit 500 Zeichen langen Posts als Maximum.
Aber lange vor Twitter gab es schon andere Dienste wie z.B. Friendica oder Diaspora die deutlich längere Textbeiträge erlauben (Friendica hat gar kein Zeichenlimit). Dann entwickelten sich auch Dienste wie Pleroma die 3000 Zeichen pro Posting erlauben.
Alle diese Services "sprechen miteinander". Das nennt man Protokoll. Und nur wenn beide Seiten die selbe Sprache sprechen, verstehen die sich auch untereinander. Deshalb wird so eine Sprache/Protokoll vorher festgelegt, damit auch wirklich alle mit allen reden können.
Diese Protokolle wechselten im Laufe der Zeit und es kristallisierte sich ActivityPub als gemeinsamer Standard heraus. Daran haben sich alle Services zu halten, die im Fediverse mitspielen wollen.
Wenn du nun einen Mastodon-Account hast, so kannst du nur Postings verfassen die maximal 500 Zeichen haben. Ich auf Friendica kann dir aber deutlich länger antworten (wie du an diesem Beitrag siehst), weil Friendica kein Zeichenlimit hat.
Friendica stellt auch die Unterhaltungen anders dar. Du hast ganze Threads mit Verzweigungen... ähnlich wie man es von Facebook gewohnt war. Und ich kann Inhalte formatieren (fett oder kursiv oder gar unterstrichen und fett. Manche andere dienste können das darstellen, andere nicht. Bilder sind bei mir im Fließtext, bei dir auf Mastodon nur als Anhänge verfügbar.
Wenn du nun längere Antworten erhalten können willst... brauchst du nichts weiter zu tun als Menschen anzuregen, dir lange zu antworten.
Wenn du aber längere Texte schreiben möchtest... muss du deine Instanz wechseln. Entweder zu einer Instanz mit Mastodon die längere Texte erlaubt, oder überhaupt zu einem anderen Service wie Friendica oder Pleroma oder Sharkey...
Wordpress kannst du natürlich auch nutzen... aber das ist nicht unbedingt als gutes "Frontend" geeignet. In Wordpress kannst du Texte verfassen und Fediverse-User die deinem Wordpress-Account folgen, kriegen diese Texte dann in ihre Timeline. Interagieren mit anderen Usern kannst du aber deutlich besser mit den bereits genannten Diensten.
Und dabei ist es wirklich egal, auf welchem Server oder Dienst du deinen Account hast... für Fediverse-User bist du immer erreichbar.
PS: Bilder kannst du viel schöner mit Pixelfed oder Vernissage ins Fediverse bringen, und mit Peertube gibt es einen Youtube-ähnlichen Video-Service, der genauso von allen Fediverse-Usern über ihre instanz erreichbar ist. Stell es dir so vor: Du abonnierst mit deinem X-Account einen Youtube-channel und kriegst die neuesten Videos in deine Timeline, und kannst von X aus Liken und kommentieren auf YT... dort geht das natürlich nicht. Im Fediverse aber schon.
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Und mit kleinen Schritten ist auch das Fediverse rasch erkundet, sodass du dich bald sicher und fit hier bei uns fühlst.
Grundsätzlich weiß ich, dass das Fediverse mehrere Dienste hat. Meinen Hauptaccount @fraunora findest du zum Beispiel auch auf Pixelfed, Peertube und Friendica kenne ich auch, nutze das aber nicht. Mir ist das alles zu viel inzwischen, ich kann so viele verschiedene Kommunikationskanäle einfach nicht mehr überblicken. Mir fehlt einfach die Zeit, da überall auch eine entsprechende Moderation anzubieten.
Es reicht ansich ein einziger Account im Fediverse. Wenn du einen Textdienst nutzt, wie Mastodon, Friendica o.ä., ist das gut und ausreichend. Haderst du aber bei Mastodon mit der Textlänge, oder dass es dir bloß 4 Bilder anzeigt, egal wieviele ich poste, solltest du von Madtodon auf einen anderen Service wechseln.
Willst du längere Videos über abonnierbare Channels ANBIETEN, brauchst du einen Peertube-Account. Sonst nicht. Ansehen, Liken, kommentieren geht mit Mastodon, Friendica & Co auch.
Ich präsentiere z.B. meine Schönen Bilder mit Pixelfed, weil ich die dort beim Upload beschneiden, drehen und mit Filtern versehen kann. Und die "schönen Bilder" auf einem Ort habe.
Also hab ich 3 Accounts. Einen zum Interagieren, diesen hier. Einen für Videos @jakob :peertube: für Videos und @jakob :pixelfed: für schöne Fotos.
egal welche nDienst du im Fediverse benutzt, du erreichst immer alle user, die im Fediverse aktiv sind. Unabhängig der verwendetetn Software (Wenn mann spezialanwendungen wie Pixelfed und Peertube mal raus nimmt. hat man dort einen Account, sieht man nur Inhalte, wenn ein Bild oder Video enthalten ist. Reine text posts, werden nicht angezeigt)
Hier könntest du deine Podcasts unter einer Identität in mehreren Channels im Fediverse zusammenfassen und publizieren. Auch mit der Möglichkeit, diese zu monetarisieren und trotzdem föderiert im Fediverse. Ein gutes Stück Software.
Und es ist immer noch das selbe Netzwerk, nur eine andere Software und alles mit allem Verbunden. Jeder der möchte, kann es anhören, liken, kommentieren, teilen und es ist auch im freien Web abrufbar wie eben der @randow_reloaded@podcasts.homes
Du merkst mit Mastodon nicht mal, das das ein Podcast ist, es ist nur ein weiteres Konto, mit speziellem Inhalt
I don’t really understand how this works. If I’m a company whose entire infrastructure is in the US (for example, I don’t know if 4chan is like that) how can I get in trouble with the UK? I don’t have a legal entity there, I’m not doing any business on their soil whatsoever, how can they enforce their laws against me?
They're "doing business" there by serving ads to their citizens, that's the legal basis for suing them. Whether that goes anywhere depends on the laws governing the business and any leverage UK has (say, going after advertising who do business with the company and in the UK).
You're right, but that also means your service can get blocked in said country. And that's what they don't want, so they're trying to fight it from home.
Whoever is providing the communications infrastructure to the Australian caller would be offering a service in Australia (5g masts, fibre, customer service etc.)
Only if the call is going via satellite owned by non-Australians could you avoid this.
My website is my website. You visit my website, my website does not visit you. My website is public, you choose to enter it. You visit my website through your infrastructure to get to my infrastructure. My infrastructure is publicly available to you, should you be able to access it.
The governing body of your (second person, not you specifically) infrastructure (the UK government) chooses to impose rules on my actions. Their threat is "we'll stop letting people in our infrastructure from being able to reach your infrastructure."
That is extortion, not working in the public's favor. The UK government is saying they'll block all roads from your house that lead to my website outside of the UK. My website is overseas, brother. The UK is blocking all the ports so you can't sail here. I don't "offer services" to you in the UK, I just don't prevent people from the UK from trying to reach my island. Nothing about my services requires the UK infrastructure. My services keep operating whether the UK government exists or not. How do they have any right over my infrastructure in this scenario?
If this is about ads, the UK has all the right to remove my ads from their country. That is within their right. Anything about blocking people from the UK is within their right, sure, but that's not my problem lol. Sorry you have a shit government lol
But it does effect everyone. Don't you think the lack complete backlash to the online safety act is emboldening similar ideas in the rest of the world, especially the EU? Yes, we've stopped chat control like 2 or 3 times already, but it's being brought up again now.
But ideas are cheap, of course every government has thought and dragged ideas about this before. But implementing them is costly, so letting another government go first, working out the kinks, getting case studies for what kind of messaging works, what tech is required, and seeing what the backlash looks like, makes the second go a lot easier and cheaper.
Let's face it, Starmer's tongue is shoved so far up Trump's fettid arsehole, he can taste his mouthwash. Trump only has to tweet about it and that spineless twat will capitulate and make it the government's most important mission to ensure "international cooperation", or some BS.
I'm pulled back and forth with this one. On the one hand, 4chan is a shithole that should be taken care of. On the other side, UK laws that try to govern the internet are so overly deranged shit.
Keep it free from hate without controlling it? Who gets the ultimate say, then? The internet or the government? If your answer is "the government" how in the world does that work without controlling the internet? What government has successfully done this before?
Calling 4chan the most hateful site on the Internet ignores the fact that xitter is a thing.
The kind of hateful rhetoric and grooming are not unique to 4chan, they happen on Facebook, discord, and roblox. 4chan has just been a minimally filtered representation of underground online cultures for decades now meaning it's still just as much a font of creativity as it is a cesspool of internet refuse.
I checked one of those site traffic estimators and got 2 to 2.5 mil monthly views for 4chan vs 120 mil for twitter. So if every single 4chan user was a nazi, it would only take about 2% of twitter being nazis to equal that. Seems like there might be more nazis on twitter these days tbh.
I hope this encourages more companies/sites to fight back against stupid laws. If most keep complying, it'll only get worse for them in the future when they make even worse laws.
Pull out all UK servers and ignore uk fines (assuming thats legal wherever u reside... idk how that works) or just pull out of uk.
I hope a country like switzerland or something lets companies host servers there for europe without enforcing dumb laws from uk/european union.
I hope a country like switzerland or something lets companies host servers there for europe without enforcing dumb laws from uk/european union.
Not going to happen with Switzerland and EU laws. Being completely surrounded by the EU, we're really bad with leverage and are already struggling to not have worse and worse deals forced on us. Plus, we have our own Chat Control type law coming up (which is why Proton is leaving). There's no way we'll take a stance against EU law.
I absolutely don't care what happens to 4chan, but UK starting to fine the internet for being available there and not complying with their bullshit is worrying.
They've already "flocked". The site and userbase is a shell of its former self and it's hey day is long passed. The users aged out or just went to places like kiwi farms, random discord channels, etc.
I mean you're on Lemmy, a good chunk of old 4chan users are here, so you're amongst them.
I'm a bit confused by comments on this topic. Do sovereign countries not have the right anymore to decide their own laws and issue punishment when they're not followed?
Like, they obviously can't enforce these fines. This article says as much. The fines can't be enforced, but if 4chan ignores them, that opens the door for other measures like delisting the site from search engines or blocking access to it from the UK (these two examples are taken from the article). Which are fair measures imo.
Like, to the people saying UK can't do laws which apply to services which are merely accessible in the UK and have no physical presence there, do you also apply this logic to the GDPR, which works the same way? The US has these laws too, like COPPA iirc. It's not really something the UK came up with, it's a bit of a standard with laws like this as far as I know.
I’m a bit confused by comments on this topic. Do sovereign countries not have the right anymore to decide their own laws and issue punishment when they’re not followed?
Some laws are bullshit and I commend everyone who decides to ignore them.
but if 4chan ignores them, that opens the door for other measures like delisting the site from search engines or blocking access to it from the UK (these two examples are taken from the article)
This has already happened to a number of sites and services, with some voluntarily blocking access from the UK. 4chan's approach is just a bit different in the way that they are waiting to get blocked instead of doing the blocking themselves. It sucks for citizens from the UK, but they are the ones that put the people in power who created those laws.
Like, to the people saying UK can’t do laws which apply to services which are merely accessible in the UK and have no physical presence there, do you also apply this logic to the GDPR, which works the same way?
This has also been the case already. There are a number of American websites that will just straight up deny you access if you visit them from a EU country. Some even cite GDPR as the reason for being blocked. I don't think it's the best solution, but I accept it because I wouldn't want to visit a site that cannot comply with it anyways.
The UK government is basically testing the waters of what it can get away with and also normalising the notion that they could even bother/dare to ask for this to be done in the first place.
It is about shifting the Overton Window for the normies. Especially, over time. For example, the first people to be cancelled or removed from social media years ago, like almost 10 years ago, it was done with some bad fanfare, and the people who did it, Twitter, etc... I remember said that they did it even despite some internal strife over the notion of censorship. Now, people can get cancelled on a dime and no one really cares all that much.
If you told someone 20 years ago that you should pay ca$h out of your own pocket as to get a corporate microphone that listens to you, your family, your children, constantly so it can play songs for you and tell you the weather and gives some other conveniences, 99% people would say that you would have to be fucking insane to do that. Being such a breach of damn common sense and reasonable privacy. Look at people now. Shifting the Overton Window over timr works for fun, control and profit.
Of course, if the US does not play along, then UK's bill goes nowhere outside the UK, or maybe they will try it with weaker geopolitical countries. But governments do this type of thing all the time, under a, "We will push until someone else finally pushes back," mentality.
If the UK really wanted to go after 4Chan, they could contact the FBI or whoever in the USA that could serve relevant via proper channels. This has always been available to them, but this is not about that, it is about censorship and control. Obviously.
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Researchers at Cornell University have developed an electronic chip that they describe as a "microwave brain." The simplified chip is analog rather than digital, yet can process ultrafast data and wireless communication signals simultaneously.
My understanding of why digital computers rose to dominance was not any superiority in capability but basically just error tolerance. When the intended values can only be "on" or "off," your circuit can be really poor due to age, wear, or other factors, but if it's within 40% of the expected "on" or "off" state, it will function basically the same as perfect. Analog computers don't have anywhere near tolerances like that, which makes them more fragile, expensive, and harder to scale production.
I'm really curious if the researchers address any of those considerations.
Analog computers were also bulkier, had more mechanical complexity, and required higher power to operate and generated more heat as a consequence. The Heathkit EC-1 logic circuits operated at 0-100V. There are some real physics problems with scaling analog circuits up to higher complexity.
Reading the article, I learned that the author does not really have a clue what he is talking about.
A mechanical clock is anything but analog. Look up what an escape wheel is for if you doubt it.
For "analog is easier" keep in mind that it is very hard to get chip based circuits do precisely reproducable analog behavior. Indeed, this is one of the main reasons why we have digital computer chips: the output of the circuit is sufficiently unambiguous.
And "can run things in parallel" - That's what e.g. FPGAs are for. One if my designs runs audio compression on 32 channels with a meagre 12MHz clock, among many, many other tasks. All at the same time.
I found some more articles that have more substance. It seems to me that it is a programmable device that is an analogue recreation of digital neural network design with the benefits of real time processing of data streams without conversion or sampling and doing it at lower power consumption that current digital technology.
Tech news seem latch on to the words parallel and wireless because the chip operates with microwaves in a mesh¹ processing configuration but confuse what it means in this context.
Very cool, I'm curious to learn more.
¹ or "mush", as quoted by the researches themselves
Cornell engineers have built the first fully integrated “microwave brain” — a silicon microchip that can process ultrafast data and wireless signals at the same time, while using less than 200 milliwatts of power.
Heads up if you're a microwave popcorn person - they're apparently choc full of microplastics. 🙁 Think it was a recent Veritasium video I learned that in and stopped buying them.
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“Age verification is an impossibility, and an impossibly terrible idea with impossibly vast consequences for privacy and the open web, as my EFF colleague Jason Kelley explained on the Malwarebytes podcast:” malwarebytes.com/blog/podcast/…
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Eigentlich wollte Stada noch in diesem Jahr an die Börse zurückkehren. Doch die Eigentümer des Arzneimittelherstellers gehen nun überraschend einen anderen Weg.
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in reply to HellsBelle • • •Wow, Jared Diamond and a tabloid.
This seems no more or less likely than before.
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in reply to CanadaPlus • • •Was briefly concerned until I saw Jared Fucking Diamond's name.
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in reply to CanadaPlus • • •Honestly is he a scientist? Does he do science,or just find shit that supports his idea.
Edit, I did a bit of googling and it does appear he is still publishing papers, but it feels like he has been beating the "we all gonna die" drum for a long time now.
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in reply to HellsBelle • • •Problem:
What's sustainable for 7 billion people (now) isn't sustainable for the population in 2050.
un.org/en/desa/world-populatio…
"World population projected to reach 9.8 billion in 2050, and 11.2 billion in 2100"
We need a plan to either sustainably feed 10 billion people or dramatically reduce the population.
World population projected to reach 9.8 billion in 2050, and 11.2 billion in 2100 | United Nations
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in reply to jordanlund • • •Most of the northern hemisphere isn't even making 2 per couple. It is Africa which keeps churning out babies to be blunt
worldpopulationreview.com/coun…
What we have also seen is education and rising economies reduce the birth rate. If we want to actually curb things: the trend of reducing foreign aid is going to make things worse
Birth Rate by Country 2025
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in reply to This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥 • • •scientific work by Meadows et al.
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in reply to HellsBelle • • •"Popsci author repeats claim he's been using for decades to sell books that most anthropologists question".
Man, sometimes I think newspapers and traditional media should be banned from reporting on science at all. I am very critical of social media and what Internet does to communication, but I'll admit that the extremely focused experts that communicate on a narrow field for a living do a much, much better job of parsing published claims than traditional generalist news ever did. I am exhausted of impossible galaxies, stars that "should not exist", healthy superfood, cures for cancer and world-ending events.
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in reply to naught101 • • •All I have is what you can get by looking him up, and I am definitely not an expert. I'm saying that this one guy referencing his one model for his one theory of society-as-ecology deserves a more nuanced headline than "the world is ending in 25 years". If I can speak on anything here it's on the reporting.
He isn't even saying anything that controversial when you dig through to the actual statements, which is a constant of mainstream news reporting on science news. "With all these things, at the rate we’re going now, we can carry on with our present unsustainable use for a few decades, and by around 2050 we won’t be able to continue it any longer" is barely any more severe of a warning than any climate scientist or ecologist has been making about these things for the past four decades.
Hell, if anything he seems to be less concerned than the average Lemmy denizen:
Post that around these parts, you'll get people calling you a corporate shill for even entertaining that personal behaviour has an impact in this process or that any corporation is doing anything positive.
Don't hear the Express go "dude on the Internet thinks it's high time we ban cars before we all die", though.
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in reply to HellsBelle • • •Emphasis added. That's a pretty big bit of weasel-wording there, the world "as we know it" has changed drastically in the past 25 years. Things that we thought were indispensable to the proper functioning of the world order - such as, for example, the lack of a pudding-brained pedophillic fascist in the White House - are no longer operative. Yet we're muddling along well enough, all things considered.
Things are rapidly changing in so many ways right now. Projecting that far forward with any confidence is a bit of a fool's errand.
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in reply to FaceDeer • • •Absolutely, the world today is also not as we knew it in the 25 years ago, and it's very different compared to the 70's, where the future looked a bit more rosy.
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in reply to HellsBelle • • •Giant meteor coming to wipe out all of the world's life?
Oh, so just the collapse of current civilisation. That's happened many, many times already.
While not a good thing for those experiencing it, consider this. As we look back on previous civilisations, would we consider ours to generally be the best up to now? I'd say so. Perhaps what comes next will be even better.
The collapse of a particularly large civilisation is usually a slow affair that is difficult even to spot from the inside as it's happening (consider the slow crumbling of the USA currently for example).
So while it is a period of turmoil and not a small amount of suffering, it's not like everybody is going to die and humanity will go extinct, or anything.
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in reply to Obinice • • •Collapse of local civilizations has happened a lot of times. Collapse of the global civilization has not happened yet. And previous collapses happened often improved the living conditions for big parts of the population, because they were farmers who no longer had to support the ruling classes after the collapse. Collapse of food production and distribution when e.g. only 1% of the population are professional farmers (in Germany) will be fundamentally different.
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in reply to HellsBelle • • •That's WAY later than I thought!
This is cause for celebration! 🎉
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in reply to HellsBelle • • •100% it will not, no scientist worth anything would ever make such a moronic claim.
A possibility could be that civilization will end, but that's not the same as the end of the world, it's just the end of civilization.
The earth may change in ways that make it uninhabitable for humans, but that's not the end of the world, "just" the end of humanity.
It's very hard to take people serious when they make such obviously erroneous (stupid) claims.
Most likely it's an American, and it's just USA that will end, because Americans tend to think USA = The World.
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in reply to Buffalox • • •He didn't. It would have taken you five seconds to read the excerpt OP posted and notice that the actual quote is "I would estimate the chances are about 49% that the world as we know it will collapse by about 2050."
He didn't say the world will end. He didn't even say that civilisation will end. He said that the social order we enjoy today could collapse. But rather than take five seconds to notice that, you decided to yell about nothing because it was more important to voice your opinion than it was to check your facts.
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in reply to Voroxpete • • •EXACTLY, so no scientist would make the previous stupid claim, just as I described, meaning it's probably poor journalism editorializing what the scientist really claimed.
Do you really think I should have made my post LONGER? Further describing how and why it's stupid, can you really not see it from the part I described?
Typhoon
in reply to Buffalox • • •No but you could've made it much shorter by cutting out the commentary based only on the headline and didn't read the article.
HasturInYellow
in reply to Buffalox • • •I think you're being, not only pedantic, but also just wrong. "The world will end" is a perfectly apt description to just about anyone about what is going on. The world will be uninhabitable for A MAJORITY of life that currently exists.
Permian extinction: last time shit like this happened, temps rose 10°C over 10,000's of years. Still killed 90% of ALL LIFE. To be so arrogant as to presume that the USA collapsing would not have any knock on effects on the rest of the world. To presume that what kills of humans would do nothing to any other life. To presume that that scientist is a moron who just LOVES AMERICA so very much, because why else would he say things that make me feel bad?
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in reply to HasturInYellow • • •What part of what I quoted can't you read? It's not being pedantic, it's a matter of facts. Calling it the end of the world is extremely poor semantics, and poor semantics lead to poor understanding.
That's not the end of the world either. I described that VERY clearly.
Exactly, and that was not the end of the earth either, even the end of all life on earth is not the end of the earth.
You may call it merely semantics, I call it facts. Poor semantics result in poor understanding.
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in reply to Professorozone • • •This is something historians struggle with, because "Collapse" has happened before, the most famous of which might be the Bronze Age Collapse, or the fall of the western Roman Empire in 473. Needless to say, those didn't result in human extinction, or even the extinction of human habitation in those locations (so Greece was inhabited before the Bronze age collapse, but that predates Classical Greece, which we think of as it's golden age, and one for humanity).
Specifically, it was (natural) climate change or political turmoil (those usually go hand in hand) making long established trade routes and subsistence patterns untenable, and with it, destroying the power of the people who controlled that trade. There was a reduction in trade, as the elites had the money to import, and the disposition to distinguish themselves from the lower classes. There was certainly some population reduction, because food was not moving as much, and populations were reduced to what the locality could support. I want to note that at this point, we see migrations (although we do see violence). I want to thank Patrick Wyman's podcast for teaching me this answer.
So I think, in this case, I think its likely we see this. The current power structure will probably not survive, although pockets of it may hold on in places, and maybe even survive into the next iteration (so think about the Catholic Church, an ancient roman institution survives to this day). Instead, I expect to see local polities spring up, holding on to or rejecting various aspects of the old world. A process of balkanization implies the rest of the world looks on in horror, but I expect to see some process of it happening everywhere. Immediately, these fragments will resemble the world we recognize, but in the centuries that follow, the world will become unrecognizable to us.
I think its also important to note that like, the destruction of the social order, which would suck for a lot of reasons (like the development of technology like vaccines), doesn't necessarily mean a "dark age." Some knowledge was lost (like Roman concrete in the fall of Rome) but I dont think the fall of the modern world precludes the loss of electricity, or motor vehicles, or even something like the telephone.
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in reply to Brutticus • • •Well the purpose for asking what a world collapse looks like was to determine what life for a typical person would be and I consider myself to be a typical person (in the US). I kind of view it like the beginning of the movie Interstellar.
In that movie people still had houses but there were items that were in short supply. People had chronic illnesses and there wasn't much that could be done, so they would die prematurely. Crops were failing and it looked like the end of all, or virtually all, life was approaching. I wonder if that's what it looks like.
A lot of the answers were on a macro scale not a sort of day to day life scale. That's what I meant about what it would mean to me.
Jo Miran
in reply to Professorozone • • •The collapse of society "as we know it" where we as a species cannot survive by following the same.lifestyle we have depended on in the past.
Our company helps manage a significant percentage of a critical piece of nationwide infrastructure. With what I see everyday, my wife and I have decided to buy fertile land that can be farmed and has its own source of subterranean water so that we can grow enough food to survive (we already switched to plant based diets). We also are investing heavily so that our home can be "off-grid". Summer is covered, but we are still working on winter power generation.
We are not at "prepper" level, but if you're building a new home, why not try to build in some resiliency?
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in reply to Nomecks • • •Yeah, we opted for the battery. It was tough because without the battery the solar definitely pays for itself and the cost wasn't too bad, but with it it isn't certain. When calculating that, the inputs rely on you to predict so many things in the future. So I went with my gut. I just feel like energy costs are going to go up much more than "they" are saying. With climate change, AI, greed and the fact that we are installing some things that will consume more energy. I hope I'm right.
How do you like yours?
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in reply to Nomecks • • •Well I'm in crazy town Florida so snow won't be a problem. Strong storms ripping then off my roof could be. Guess I'll find out.
Do you have a power bill? If so, when and roughly how much, if you don't mind?
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in reply to tree_frog_and_rain • • •This argument frustrates me greatly. Humans are far more adaptable than most other species, and the damage we are already doing to less adaptable species and ecosystems is incalculable and irreversible. We will kill off much of Earth's life long before we manage to destroy ourselves.
Species are going extinct at a rate of 1,000 to 10,000 times faster than the normal "background rate" of extinction, driven by habitat loss, climate change, and pollution. Every species that we drive to extinction represents a multi-billion year legacy that will never return. Arguing that life will continue after the collapse of humanity is only partly true. There are a hell of a lot of species that will never continue, because our actions destroyed them.
We're also roughly at the halfway point of Earth's ability to support complex life, which emerged about a half billion years ago and has roughly another half billion years before the increased heat of the aging sun disrupts carbonate weathering to the extent that one of the main pathways of photosynthesis is no longer possible. Yes, during that 500 million years, in the absence of ongoing anthropogenic extinction, species will again diversify to fill the gaps. But there will be no tigers or elephants or rhinoceros after humanity, just as there were no non-avian dinosaurs after the asteroid.
tree_frog_and_rain
in reply to BreadstickNinja • • •I'm not making an argument. I'm learning to identify with a bigger picture for my sanity.
My heart weeps greatly for all of the species that are going extinct on this planet.
And I find some hope that life itself will continue here, even if it's not complex life. Life has survived extinction events before. Life is adaptable.
I'm trying to be less attached to the form life takes, because I can't stop climate change.
So it's something that gives me peace. It's not an argument that what is happening is right. Because it's not.